Atlanta Hawks: Postseason test near for Larry Drew’s offense

Expanding on this theme . . .

J.J. says he’s pretty much in the same boat as Jamal.

“It’s been different for both of us, honestly,” he said. “Just being that creator, that playmaker [and] that scorer. L.D. has pretty much put in his system how he wants implemented and run and we have to play in that system. It’s just part of it. We haven’t played one-on-one basketball or a lot of isolation like we’ve done in the past. So that’s definitely took away a little bit but for the most part we have had to adjust.”

Does he think there needs to be some adjustments to the offense for the postseason?

“I am not sure,” Joe said. “We will have to see. We went through the whole season like this. Maybe so, maybe not. Whatever the system is we have to come out and be professionals and play through it.”

How about it, Jamal?

“[He and Joe] have taken a step back offensively, hopefully for the betterment of the team,” he said. “But we will see. I think we will continue to need our scoring, especially in the playoffs. Things slow down and you have to be able to create one-on-one.”

The playoffs are going to be the final referendum on L.D.’s offensive approach. The ballots are already in for the regular season: The Hawks are significantly less efficient this season than last season.

But remember, the idea is that Drew’s philosophy will work better in the postseason because the Hawks will be less predictable to scout and defend in a series. More ball movement, less standing around watching J.J. force shots against swarming D. Drew wanted the Hawks to share the ball and they have, improving their assist ratio from seventh in the league to fourth.

Drew said “one of the toughest things for a player is to break old habits” but “when you talk about a style that you want to play, you try to implement it and get every guy sold on it and every guy buys in on it.”

“I think every guy recognizes the fact that when we move the basketball we are a better ball club,” he said. “When you look at our assist total, we have done a good job moving the basketball. Its’ not been a situation where we have isolated the whole year. We fall back into that style sometimes but I don’t think it’s to the point where it completely hampers us. We have good one-on-one ball players.”

So the Hawks seem to have mostly altered their style, and here is where I must note how elated my blog people were to hear Drew say last summer he wanted to get away from Iso-Joe. But looking at the Hawks now, what end does it serve if all the passing leads to inefficient long 2-point jump shots? The Hawks attempt less shots at the rim than any team while attempting more shots per game from 16 to 23 feet than any team except the Wizards.

Only the Mavs make the long 2 at a better clip than the Hawks. They are aided by a high-usage, high-efficiency MVP-caliber talent who has few peers when it comes to making that shot. But if the Mavs aren’t making long 2s they have a good Plan B (more than three additional 3-point attempts per game than the Hawks with an effective field-goal percentage of 55–ranked fifth–with 91 percent of those 3s assisted) and Plan C (two more attempts per game from 10 to 15 feet at 42 percent, ranked fifth). They also have a halfway decent Plan D (20th in free-throw rate compared to 29th for the Hawks).

The Hawks continue to live or die by the long 2-point shot. Their guards like to take them, their big men have moved their games farther away from the basket and none of their highest-usage players get to the line often. The shot location distribution is out of whack and so their expected field-goal percentage is in the dumps.

Josh’s has taken more jump shots with L.D.’s (qualified) blessing. He’s more efficient scoring around the basket this season than last but the impact has been blunted because he’s set to finish the season with 200 less shot attempts at the rim and 200 more from beyond 16 feet. Smoove has taken a lot of flak for this development but the way he’s being used in L.D.’s “interchangeable parts” offense also seems to be a significant factor.

Al’s game also is trending outside. He’s been more efficient doing so but it still will mean 100-plus fewer attempts at the basket this season for a guy who, for all the hand-wringing about his lack of size, is shooting a career-high 74 percent at the rim. His .88 points per possession in the post rank 71st, according to Synergy Sports Technology).

Joe and Jamal, meanwhile, are out of sorts, as indicated by their production and their comments. It’s been less of an issue for Joe because he’s always going to get his touches and L.D. seems willing to let him do his thing, for better or worse.

“Joe is such a good one-on-one ball player, we never want to take the strength of a player [away],” Drew said. “There are times when he can isolate and there are times where it calls for ball movement.”

Jamal hasn’t taken well to his altered role. He seems reluctant to do his thing because he doesn’t want to damage the team dynamics. But if he’s not cast in the narrow role that Woody carved out for him he’s less valuable to the Hawks.

“It’s a delicate subject, I guess, because for example he’s not handling the ball as much,” Al said. “We have Kirk, and Jeff has been playing well. He’s the kind of guy who has to have the ball in his hand and make plays for others. I don’t know if we need to play with some kind of [different] lineup and figure out what is best for us.”

The Hawks are still doing a lot of figuring when it comes to their offense. Deliberations on the final verdict begin next week in Orlando.

(The Hawks didn’t practice today so no word yet on L.D.’s plans for minutes over the final four games.)

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

303 comments Add your comment

superiorblogman

April 6th, 2011
2:25 pm

Kirk Hinrich is the most overpaid Hawk for what he brings. The nightmare may be over at the end of the season because Sund’s contract is up and hopefully he can take the guy he loved way back at Kansas with him since he is so stupid and can’t even use a computer or his failing eyes to see that Hinrich is not the same player as he was 10 years ago at Kansas.

superiorblogman

April 6th, 2011
2:31 pm

I must post that once again, even though Al is playing soft right now he is the 1st Hawk I have seen speak up for Teague saying he has been playing well, I don’t know if we need to try some new lineup or what, meaning maybe we should start Teague or play him more with the starters. Thanks Al, you do have some leadership qualities.

Ray

April 6th, 2011
2:33 pm

Well I haven’t been here for a long time.

Did see something on ESPN’s rumor mill saying if we don’t do well major changes on the way. Can anyone elaborate on that.

Michael Cunningham

April 6th, 2011
2:43 pm

@superiorblogman: “Even though Al is playing soft right now he is the 1st Hawk I have seen speak up for Teague saying he has been playing well”

J.J. has been a consistent, outspoken supporter for Teague. Josh has praised him, too. shoot, even my weak arse might have mentioned once or twice that Teague deserves a larger role (or at least a chance). and that was hard to do since i’m still mad Teague owes me cash and Kirk slipped me a bill when he got here.

but please do me a solid and make no more references to anyone servicing animals. thanks . . .

Dept. of Unintended Irony

April 6th, 2011
2:48 pm

“Kirk Hinrich is the most overpaid Hawk for what he brings. ”

Looks like somebody is lying to us:

superiorblogman
April 6th, 2011
4:55 am
“Kirk Hinrich is for the white people and that is my last word on him because that is the only way someone can continue to try and say he is any good.”

Last word my ass.

Michael Cunningham

April 6th, 2011
2:49 pm

@Ray: “Did see something on ESPN’s rumor mill saying if we don’t do well major changes on the way. Can anyone elaborate on that.”

speculation based on the fact that everyone in the organization, from Gearon to Sund to L.D., has said the Hawks have to do better this year. they can’t sell the “improving every year” or “consecutive winning months” or “pleased with Drew’s offense” or “we’re still a young team” angles anymore so all that’s left is the playoffs. the mystery is what “doing well” will mean in the postseason.

Mr.Phil

April 6th, 2011
2:51 pm

MC,

I think we may need to taker another look at the value of “predictability”. As I recallit has worked out pretty well forsomepeople. Back in the day, was it a surprise to see Stockton to Malone on a pick-and-roll.No. Could you do anything about it. No.

Duke

April 6th, 2011
2:54 pm

What about a lineup of:
PG Jamaal
SG Joe
SF Damien
PF Smoove
C Al

And then bring Teague in for Jamaal and Kirk for Joe. Zaza for Smoove, Marvin for Damien, and Collins for Al.

Sautee

April 6th, 2011
2:54 pm

Mr. Phil,

And how many championships did that earn for Utah?

Apparently some teams somewhere did SOMETHING about it, no?

Jae Evolution

April 6th, 2011
3:02 pm

MC, I think the minimum should be getting out of the second round, you look at the past few years we had baby matchups in the first round, if we lost in the first round it would’ve been simply sad.

Now with the East being a lot tougher can we even do that, I’m not going to set the bar because I doubt even the most optimistic fans expect much this postseason but minimum should be getting out of the second round this year.

Michael Cunningham

April 6th, 2011
3:02 pm

@Mr. Phil: “I think we may need to taker another look at the value of “predictability”. As I recallit has worked out pretty well forsomepeople. Back in the day, was it a surprise to see Stockton to Malone on a pick-and-roll.No. Could you do anything about it. No.”

well, those are two HOF players. like i tell anyone who thinks the Hawks can be championship-caliber if only they , every modern NBA champion except Detroit has had at least one such player and pretty much every conference champion has also has had one. the Hawks don’t have that kind of player and they are difficult to come by because there aren’t many. the ‘Detroit Model’ Sund always refers to is an aberration.

that said, i know what you are saying. the Jazz had an identity that worked even though opponents knew what was coming. the Hawks had one, too, but Iso-Joe didn’t work. so L.D. went about changing it but the results have been a mess because the new identity–long 2 point shots, even those set up with ball movement–has been even worse. maybe it works better in the playoffs but you are right to be skeptical.

superiorblogman

April 6th, 2011
3:02 pm

Okay, MC. I have no problems respecting you, and by the way I have no problem with Kirk. He just hurts the team in several ways and I am not a supporter of that.

1. Giving up 2 1st rd picks

2. Being in the way of Teague getting more minutes. He is in the way because he is not noticably better.

3. He adds to payroll while deducting 3 players. Jordan, Bibby, and the 1st would have totalled what Kirk will make next year.

I can not see how a true Hawk supporter could not be outraged about the mere presence of Hinrich and Sund for that matter.

Michael Cunningham

April 6th, 2011
3:05 pm

@Jae: “I think the minimum should be getting out of the second round”

fair expectation, especially since that’s the bar set by Gearon and Co. when they fired Woody. but it’s not like conference finals have been plentiful around here.

N.D.T.K.A.

April 6th, 2011
3:10 pm

MC,
Between now and the playoffs does L.D. intend to work with the guys on the offense to make the needed adjustments so that Jamal and Joe can find a happy medium and be more efficient scoring in this offense? Can or will L.D. adjust his offense so Josh and Al end up closer to the basket when they receive the ball in this offense? And finally will L.D. hold the guys accountable who don’t move in the offense and don’t play defense?

I think these are the things everyone would like to know, besides why Jeff Teague doesn’t getting any playing time!!

MistaGamer

April 6th, 2011
3:19 pm

Free Jeff Teague!

While you’re lock down Al and Josh in the paint!! Interchangeable parts my arse. Who said Josh and Al were as “consistent” interchangeable parts with the 3, and sometimes 2, as LD has forced them to be?

I want my C and PF playing in an offense that puts them on the blocks with the occassional threat outside. Not the other way around.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 6th, 2011
3:21 pm

“We haven’t played one-on-one basketball or a lot of isolation like we’ve done in the past.”

Yes you have, Joe. Far too often even as it is.

The Truth

April 6th, 2011
3:22 pm

MC about this statement:

“But remember, the idea is that Drew’s philosophy will work better in the postseason because the Hawks will be less predictable to scout and defend in a series. More ball movement, less standing around watching J.J. force shots against swarming D. Drew wanted the Hawks to share the ball and they have, improving their assist ratio from seventh in the league to fourth”

The idea of Drew’s philosophy will work better in the postseason? What about saying this way? The idea supposed to work better or the idea hypothetically should work better. Stating it the way you framed it sounds too affirmative when we all know that assertion has been far from “The Truth” based on regular season performance. Since LD has no playoff experience as a HC, your statement is baseless unless you’re referring it to this:

“They have, improving their assist ratio from seventh in the league to fourth”

True but they are ranked 27 out of 30 in team defense and ranked 25 out of 30 in team offense during the regular season. Regarding Drew’s philosophy, the numbers don’t lie, just saying

niremetal

April 6th, 2011
3:25 pm

Do Jamal and Joe ever watch game tape? Because the motion offense has not been executed consistently since December, at least. We’re seeing a lot of ISOs and 1-pass jumpers right now, which is exactly what we saw under Woody. The Rockets’ TV commentators were even talking about how reliant the Hawks still are on ISOs during the game on Sunday (and btw – thank you, League Pass, for giving me some relief from Nique’s “nimbers”).

Najeh Davenpoop

April 6th, 2011
3:27 pm

I don’t think the problem has been the design of LD’s offense. In theory it should work great for this team. The problem is that LD has proven completely unable to hold his team accountable to execute the offense, and that encompasses everything from getting Smoove and Al to roll to the hoop more to getting Kirk/Bibby/Joe/Jamal to feed the bigs more to getting people to cut to the basket off the ball more. When the chips are down, this team still falls back into what Woody ingrained in them for six years, not what LD has been preaching for ten months. That is more of an indictment of LD’s ability to motivate his players than of LD’s ability to create a functioning offensive scheme.

Hawk Str8Talk

April 6th, 2011
3:30 pm

Couple of points…
1) I’m scared that if we are very competitive in the first round that some sort of spin will be given that says that that was playoff progress.
2) Anyone who thinks that the trade of Kirk Hinrich has improved this team beyond its 5th seed perch (which is the reason I think you’d make a trade) is not watching this team.
3) Joe and Jamal sure don’t sound like they have faith in Drew’s system or even their offensive prospects going into the playoffs. I fully expect that if things don’t go well early that Joe and Jamal will just go into hero mode (something that has not worked well at all this season).
4) I’m really fearful (and excited) that Jordan Crawford is going to try to prove to Drew and the Hawks that a whole season of DNPs should be as puzzling as 2 seasons of uneven PT for Jeff Teague.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 6th, 2011
3:32 pm

“It’s a delicate subject, I guess, because for example he’s not handling the ball as much,” Al said. “We have Kirk, and Jeff has been playing well.

Glad someone on the team noticed, even if it wasn’t LD.

Free Jeff Teague

Paradise Lost

April 6th, 2011
3:36 pm

@niremetal -

I, too, enjoyed the LP commentary from Clyde Drexler on Sunday. Not only did he critique the Hawks’ iso offense, he pretty much summarized every other weakness of the Hawk’s entire off/def play. It’s as if he read a year’s worth of AJC blogs to prepare for the game commentary. Clyde the Glide seemed to have the Hawks’ nimber…

Najeh Davenpoop

April 6th, 2011
3:37 pm

“the Hawks don’t have that kind of player and they are difficult to come by because there aren’t many”

Also doesn’t help when you get multiple chances in the draft to acquire such a player and fail to capitalize.

ga peach

April 6th, 2011
3:42 pm

I cant wait for the playoffs especially all these ” paper team champions” We will see what will happen the game is played on the court not by who ESPN wants to win or how many superstars a team has. I will continue to say it all day a group who will play team ball and unselfish will beat a Team with SUPERSTARS all day. I know my hawks havent had the season we are use to but they also havent had this many injuries. IDK what will happen in the playoffs with the hawks but I for one am not going in with the mindset that they dont have a chance Let’s go Hawks no matter what I would rather be a fan of the hawks then Toronto,NEW JERSEY,Minnesota, etc These same folks complaining about the hawks will celebrate the falcons WHO HAVE YET TO WIN ONE PLAYOFF GAME!!!! I may not like how the organization is run for the hawks but the players have nothing to do with that I will support the players that’s my choice. Those who hate the players on this team and complain 120 miillion times about Joe also have a choice find another team that you like, besides there is plenty of room on the NY,MIA, ship before it sinks just like the Titanic Go Hawks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trojan

April 6th, 2011
3:42 pm

What about our Core?

Puerto Rican Jose

April 6th, 2011
3:45 pm

What have these guys been smoking? The offense this year looks exactly like it did last year. What is there to possibly adjust to? I can’t tell you how many times I see Joe or Jamal wasting the entire shot clock so that they can get off some trash shot that is lucky to even hit rim. The Hawks offense is basically a disorderly South Atlanta pickup game. If I see Josh Smith take one more jumper I’ll vomit. All of the good teams move the ball around and rack up assists. The Hawks keep the ball in Joe’s overpaid hands and cross their fingers when he heaves a hopeless shot after standing in one spot for 24 seconds. I’m not a stat guy, but I’d guess the Hawks are last or close to last in the league in assists. Find me a perennial contender that consistently bottoms out in assists. Larry Drew has the right idea, but he can’t implement it and half our players probably don’t even understand it.

Hawk Str8Talk

April 6th, 2011
3:46 pm

Also, can we stop acting like we don’t know why Teague isn’t playing? I stopped a while ago worrying about why guys aren’t starting, which I think Teague should have been doing since late last year to prepare him for this year’s push for the ECF, but it’s borderline criminal that Teague is not a cemented part of the ROTATION. For all the positives and negatives (and despite what Drew said disingenuously), Drew doesn’t trust Teague. I have no doubt that he’s not ever going to get on the court if Drew continues to be the head coach. So, expect Teague to be traded if Drew gets another year, which only the ASG grace of a cheap contract should afford him. Anything else wouldn’t make sense of how he’s been treated this season.

ga peach

April 6th, 2011
3:46 pm

@ Mr. Cunningham do you need an intern I would love the opportunity you are doing my dream job. If you have any advice plz share thanks much appreciated:-)

Rufus1

April 6th, 2011
3:51 pm

Teague -vs- JC2

I need Teague to start against the WIZ, so we can see if Teague’s defense is equal to JC2 offense….I can’t wait.

Christian

April 6th, 2011
3:53 pm

I think that after the playoffs are over, the hawks should definelty focus on getting better because other teams have gotten a lot better this, which we already know. The main goal in the summer is that the hawks should focus on shooting the ball better because I have noticed they’ve missed a lot good looking shots this year. They should also recruit more players. MC what do you think?

Christian

April 6th, 2011
3:55 pm

@ ga peach “I cant wait for the playoffs especially all these ” paper team champions” We will see what will happen the game is played on the court not by who ESPN wants to win or how many superstars a team has. I will continue to say it all day a group who will play team ball and unselfish will beat a Team with SUPERSTARS all day..”

Very true!

Paradise Lost

April 6th, 2011
3:56 pm

“So, expect Teague to be traded if Drew gets another year, which only the ASG grace of a cheap contract should afford him.”

I’ll bet JT0 has his fingers crossed for it!

Rufus1

April 6th, 2011
3:57 pm

Hawk Str8Talk

Please help me to understand what he doesn’t trust about Teague, because I am lost. I watched Bibby, Jamal and Kirk play terribl and Teague still doesn’t play.

cp

April 6th, 2011
4:03 pm

The offense seems a lot like the offense from last year. The Hawks get a lead by sharing the ball then for some reason in the 4th they go into the NFL’s version of prevent defense on the offensive side of the ball. They do a lot of dribbling and a lot of times it ends up in taking contested shots or a rushed shot because there is no time left on the clock. I wonder if we get to see Pape Sy these last few games.

northcyde

April 6th, 2011
4:04 pm

Like I’ve been saying . . the team is “out of balance”.

When you look at Smith, he’s taking 2.3 less shots at the rim this year, than he did last year. Meanwhile, he’s taking 3.3 more shots out on the perimeter.

Horford is taking 1 less shots at the rim, while increasing his outside attempts by almost 3 shots per game.

Meanwhile, JJ is getting 2 less shots per game, and shooting dang near a career low from 3 point range.

Jamal is taking 2.5 less shots per game, and shooting back close to his career norms.

So the new offense has essentially taken 4.5 shots total per game away from our top 2 scorers last year, while seeing Smith and Horford’s total shots increase by 3 a game . . with the increase in their shots coming via jumpers.

Now . . why does that matter?

Because the issue is that when JJ and Jamal miss jumpshots, our best rebounders ( which are Smith and Horford ), may rebound their miss.

When Smith and Horford miss jumpshots, who will rebound their misses?

The other thing is the decline in FT attempts.

Smith is shooting 1 less a game.
Horford is shooting .8 less a game
JJ is shooting the same amount as last year
Jamal is shooting .5 less than last year.

Out of balance.

One of those guys ( Smith or Horford ) are going to have to decide that one of them is going to do the dirty work, while the other plays the finesse game. We can’t have both of them playing the finesse game.

And with JJ and Jamal, both of them are going to have to lay off the 3, and take what is a higher percentage shot ( which is the long 2 ). Even if the point value is lower, I would rather have both of those guys taking contested 2’s on a possession by possession basis, than a wide open 3.

JJ is near his career average from 16 – 23 feet ( 39% ) . . and Jamal shoots 45% from that range. JJ is one of the league leaders from the 3 – 9 foot range, shooting 52%. That is his floater.

Drew needs to analyze the numbers, and see where these guys make shots from. And he needs to tell these guys to try to get to these areas as much as possible.

Against Orlando, these guys may actually be OK, because ORlando runs offense through Dwight Howard. That means that Collins will be called on to defend him, while Horford and Smith don’t have to worry about battling him too much. But they still must hit the boards.

For once, the Orlando matchup may be in our favor. But when we get to that 2nd round, Smith and Horford are going to have to “man up”, while JJ and Jamal need to take shots in their comfort zone, and not settle for 3s.

Out of Balance, should be the theme of this thread.

superiorblogman

April 6th, 2011
4:06 pm

Thanks for those links MC, I know I get a little carried away sometimes and start accusing everyone because I can’t get to the real problems. Larry Drew, the ASG, and Sund. As I have stated I really don’t have a personal problem towards Hinrich but boy was that a terrible trade.

Slimjr

April 6th, 2011
4:14 pm

“Did see something on ESPN’s rumor mill saying if we don’t do well major changes on the way. Can anyone elaborate on that.”

means, Sund and LD will be back to improve on this season…….LOL

Michael Cunningham

April 6th, 2011
4:16 pm

@N.D.T.K.A.: “I think these are the things everyone would like to know, besides why Jeff Teague doesn’t getting any playing time!!”

all good questions. perhaps Drew can find some answers over the next four games but he hasn’t done it yet so don’t see how it will change now.

DAChef

April 6th, 2011
4:18 pm

I firmly believe after the playoffs and all concerns over coach Drew, it won’t matter because in a word Dwight, will rectify all the anxieties that has burdened this franchise since forever… In another word Howard will come back home to the A and all will be forgiven..however, coach Drew will be supplanted by( hopefully if talked out of retirement) Doc Rivers as mistakingly i’d in an article last week as the Hawks coach after the Boston game…Dwight will demand a coach that will understand better his best friend (Josh) talents and use him more efficiently and that is certainly not coach Drew..I would prefer a seasoned proven coach but will consider Brian Shaw or Mark Jackson as an upgrade to this debacle we have now…So the future looks bright hawk fans and all is right with the world save the Middle East…Go Hawks

JSS

April 6th, 2011
4:18 pm

@ Michael Cunningham…
Not to put you in a delicate spot, but just how bad is Josh Smith’s knee? Swelling and stiffness are tell-tell signs of things floating around in there (personal experience). How much has this possibly contributed to his settling for jumpers?

Michael Cunningham

April 6th, 2011
4:19 pm

@ The Truth: “The idea of Drew’s philosophy will work better in the postseason? What about saying this way? The idea supposed to work better or the idea hypothetically should work better. Stating it the way you framed it sounds too affirmative”

lol . . . it does? all i meant is is that is the way Drew explained it. i am sure you can see the skepticism about that point in the rest of the post.

Michael Cunningham

April 6th, 2011
4:22 pm

@Najeh Davenpoop: “the Hawks don’t have that kind of player and they are difficult to come by because there aren’t many” Also doesn’t help when you get multiple chances in the draft to acquire such a player and fail to capitalize.”

yes. the draft is the easiest way to get one. or the simplest way, i should say. it takes a lot of luck in addition to foresight.

Michael Cunningham

April 6th, 2011
4:24 pm

@ga peach: “@ Mr. Cunningham do you need an intern I would love the opportunity you are doing my dream job. If you have any advice plz share thanks much appreciated:-)”

no but i do need a personal assistant. the job doesn’t pay and has no benefits but you will build character.

if you seriously want advice shoot me an email mcunningham at ajc.com

Michael Cunningham

April 6th, 2011
4:29 pm

@northcyde: “Drew needs to analyze the numbers, and see where these guys make shots from. And he needs to tell these guys to try to get to these areas as much as possible.”

i don’t know that anyone in the organization does this. it’s a problem. remember when Drew said someone told him Josh leads the league in spot-up jumpers? i still can’t figure out where he got that because anyone can click on any number of web sites and see that isn’t even close to being true. Drew doesn’t even have to do that–he can have his video guy pull that up and more in 10 seconds with their version of Synergy.

mykhalc

April 6th, 2011
4:30 pm

really sad and pathetic!!!! this late in the season and this team (LD or the players) still doesn’t know what’s wrong nor how to fix ‘em!!! new everythin’ PLEASE!!! owners, GM, HC, and players PLEASE!!! KA BOOM ASAP!!!

Michael Cunningham

April 6th, 2011
4:30 pm

@superiorblogman: “Thanks for those links MC, I know I get a little carried away sometimes and start accusing everyone because I can’t get to the real problems.”

i like the passion. but don’t go out like the suit guy and go down to Philips looking to get a piece of Sund or L.D.

Rufus1

April 6th, 2011
4:34 pm

Teague is the Key to getting the most from JJ, Marvin, Al and Josh….

Teague could do for the Hawks what Rondo did for the Celtics….Make their jobs easier. When he attacks the rim, his “Bigs” follow. That means ast, foul shots and offensive rebs go up, just because he is the catalyst. We waste our athletes in LD’s offense. FREE TEAGUE!!!

mykhalc

April 6th, 2011
4:34 pm

make that ‘owner’…in the singular sense!!!

Michael Cunningham

April 6th, 2011
4:35 pm

@JSS: “@ Michael Cunningham… Not to put you in a delicate spot, but just how bad is Josh Smith’s knee? Swelling and stiffness are tell-tell signs of things floating around in there (personal experience). How much has this possibly contributed to his settling for jumpers?”

L.D. said he could have played last night if it’s the playoffs. the Hawks didn’t even list him on the injury report yesterday. of course the team could be trying to hide the seriousness of it but i checked in with Smoove regularly over the last couple weeks and he never let on that it was something more than what they are saying. i always trust what the players tell me about their bodies.

as for the jumpers, Josh was taking those before the knee became an issue but he’s said that he has to get past thinking about the kee so he can go to the rim. there was a game (at Philly, i think) where he stayed around the basket. then the next game he was back to taking a lot of jumpers. so maybe he does want to alter his game but the knee won’t allow it. if that’s the case, resting him for two or three more games would seem to be prudent.

Slimjr

April 6th, 2011
4:36 pm

Teague will be freed once he is traded away from the Hawks…..