Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 85, Magic 82
- During the game I kept telling Hawks PR man Arthur Triche that strange stuff was happening like Twin holding down Dwight and Josh draining fade away jumpers.
- And then the most bizarre thing of all happened after: An Ex-NBA ref allegedly attacked ‘Nique soon after he finished his TV duties. Atlanta Police arrested the man. ‘Nique was said to be uninjured and returned home.
- As for the game, it’s uncertain what these three straight Ws against the Magic will mean come the playoffs, especially since this was the first meeting in which Orlando was (relatively) healthy and cohesive.
- But, as Jamal put it: “It definitely doesn’t hurt.”
- I used to think the Heat would provide the best potential playoffs match up for the Hawks because of their shaky point guard play and lack of a real scoring threat on the front line. Now it might be the Magic, though their lack of depth while missing Redick was a mitigating factor tonight.
- And the reason for that shift in view, so help me gosh, is Twin.
- How’s this Stan Van Gundy quote for strangeness: “That’s the best defense I’ve seen all year on Dwight. He did a great job. Against Collins, [Howard] didn’t get a lot of good shots. I thought he did a great job on him. He’s big and physical. He doesn’t give you anything easy. Dwight had trouble getting good, on-balance shots.”
- Twin also got Dwight into early foul trouble, first by taking a (legit) charge and then by boxing him out for a rebound and forcing Dwight to grab him. Dwight likes to give out physical punishment but is bothered when he has to take it.
- “He’s a great player,” Collins said. “He’s done a really good job with improving his post moves and not just going with power. When he goes power, that’s when I try to get into position to take a charge.”
- And, credit to Collins, he is able to get good position on Howard. With the Hawks playing sound defense on the perimeter (save for Jameer’s third quarter) Twin wasn’t faced with too many mismatches in space.
- “I think they are guarding us differently now,” Ryan Anderson said. “Collins is a bigger body that makes it tough on Dwight. That’s pretty much what they’re doing. We just need to get in the gym and work on countering that.”
- Add that to the list of the bizarre: An opposing player talking about needing to come up with a different game plan to counter Jason Collins’ impact.
- Twin wasn’t in the game for most of the fourth as L.D. went small. Dwight took advantage by earning eight eight free-throw attempts and scoring eight of his 17 points in the period. Twin headed back in with 1:40 to play, after Dwight had gotten three straight plays at the basket.
- “That’s kind of what we’ve done the first three games, we’ve played big on him all the way into the fourth quarter,” Drew said. “Hopefully Al can go into the fourth with low fouls; tonight he had one when we put him on Dwight. Tonight the strategy didn’t work out so I went back to Jason at the end there who came in and did a a good job on him. Sometimes certain thing don’t work and you have to be ready to adjust.”
- The Hawks held the Magic, a good shooting team, to 38 percent from the floor in four games. On 3-pointers, Orlando was 4 for 22 in Game 1, 4 for 22 in game 2, 4 for 17 in Game 3 and 7 for 23 tonight.
- If the Magic can’t make 3s, and Dwight is having an inefficient night, and Nelson isn’t allowed to run wild . . . . then they can be slowed.
- It also helps when Dwight is limited by foul trouble because without Gortat the Magic have no other quality bangers to speak of (why did they make that move when they were chasing the Celtics?)
- The Magic hung with the Hawks because Turkoglu and Nelson were efficient and timely scorers and the Hawks managed just 16 points in the fourth period with J.J. (1 for 5) and Jamal (1 for 4) unable to convert.
- “They are the type of team, they are going to be around,” L.D. said. “You have to be mentally strong to really milk every possession against them. They are going to make you work on the defensive end. With Dwight, they can basically get the shots they want particularly if you have to double team him.”
- Depending on how the games are called, Collins’ defensive work against Howard should be repeatable in the playoffs. Same goes for Zaza’s energetic attack on the boards. Also have to think the Hawks can keep sharing the ball like this (21 assists on 33 field goals).
- But not so sure the Hawks can rely on Smoove’s silky jump shots, their 13 for 15 free-throw shooting or foul trouble for Dwight.
- Josh was energetic and active on defense and had four assists against one turnover.
- J.J., facing aggressive double teams, had moments where he again looked like the player who can get his on post-ups, runners and hesitation moves. He had other moments where he was too indecisive with the ball and, in fairness to Smoove, sometimes that resulted in passes to Josh late in the shot clock necessitating a jumper.
- J.J. missed on a drive to the basket with the Hawks up 84-82. “Forget about it and move on,” Joe said. “But that’s tough, missing a little easy shot in the lane like that.”
- Hinrich missed lots of open shots but harassed Nelson, who still made some tough baskets.
- “Jameer got to the basket a couple times but the most important thing with Kirk is he is going to make those point guards work,” Drew said. “They are going to score baskets–those guys are good. But he’s going to make them work.”
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
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Lionhearted
March 31st, 2011
12:15 am
I woulda liked to see Nique throw the 1 hitter quiter
And Bob runs up and says “U got knocked da fugg out”
Lionhearted
March 31st, 2011
12:16 am
Bob: Thats my dawg, thats my dawg. If anybody wanna know, thats my dawg.
Rusty
March 31st, 2011
12:18 am
LD is a liability. Why did he wait so long to put Collins in? Why the hell wasn’t jt in to slowdown Nelson? Why the hell was JC2 playing pg .KH didn’t shoot well or play great defense on Nelson.why didn’t Wilkins play. I am afraid that we will not be able to overcome his bad decisions. God I would love to see Etan play for more than a minute every 30 games. I hope he gives our starters some rest before the playoffs.
doc
March 31st, 2011
12:20 am
“That’s kind of what we’ve done the first three games, we’ve played big on him all the way into the fourth quarter,” Drew said. “Hopefully Al can go into the fourth with low fouls; tonight he had one when we put him on Dwight. Tonight the strategy didn’t work out so I went back to Jason at the end there who came in and did a a good job on him. Sometimes certain thing don’t work and you have to be ready to adjust.”
huh? i mean why change what is working?
doc
March 31st, 2011
12:24 am
“J.J., facing aggressive double teams, had moments where he again looked like the player who can get his on post-ups, runners and hesitation moves. He had other moments where he was too indecisive with the ball and, in fairness to Smoove, sometimes that resulted in passes to Josh late in the shot clock necessitating a jumper.”
amen to that. josh is not reluctant and really fearless but he does often end up with the hot potato in his hand often having to heave it up. nowadays i am more confident with him as the long range shooter than i am with jj. few long shots early in the clock tonight which i liked.
cp
March 31st, 2011
12:26 am
lol exactly doc..LD makes a lot of baffling decisions. He takes too long to make adjustments when there is an obvious bad match up on the court. Jamal and Kirk were having trouble with Jameer tonight but LD stuck with them as if they were playing good defense.
Not Sund
March 31st, 2011
12:27 am
It sure helps when Josh plays the right way.
Let’s see what happens in the playoffs.
What kind of ish is that, attacking Nique for some suits he bought years ago? Sounds like bruh-man down on his luck and lashing out.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 31st, 2011
12:30 am
From the sound of it, looks like Nique really did a nimber on that guy.
Brad
March 31st, 2011
12:32 am
lol Najeh..you’re a funny dude
Get Real
March 31st, 2011
12:35 am
Say what you want about his FG percentage.
Say what you want about his team’s record.
Go ahead and stroke yourself.
But.
Jordan Crawford could not even DRESS for Larry Drew.
The guy is scoring about 20 pts per game in the freaking NBA. Not Europe. Not Israel. Not China. Not college. The N freakin’ BA !
And he could not even DRESS for the Hawks!
This is not some prediction that he will be a Hall of Famer some day.
But for crying out loud — COULD NOT EVEN FREAKIN’ DRESS for us !!!
Repeat after me: “He wasn’t even considered worthy to freakin’ suit-up” !!
Something is seriously, seriously, wrong with this organization.
Crazy Fan
March 31st, 2011
12:37 am
It was a fun game to be at with the kryptonite green crew. Twin did what we always wanted him to do, it was most fitting for him to get the freethrows to when the game
Crazy Fan
March 31st, 2011
12:38 am
sorry meant win
Najeh Davenpoop
March 31st, 2011
12:38 am
“That’s kind of what we’ve done the first three games, we’ve played big on him all the way into the fourth quarter,” Drew said. “Hopefully Al can go into the fourth with low fouls; tonight he had one when we put him on Dwight. Tonight the strategy didn’t work out so I went back to Jason at the end there who came in and did a a good job on him. Sometimes certain thing don’t work and you have to be ready to adjust.”
I don’t see the logic behind using Al on Dwight at all. Collins did a phenomenal job on him all game, and after getting beat by him in the first half, Zaza stepped up and bodied him up in the 2nd half, outmuscling him for several boards. Playing Al on Dwight not only is a defensive mismatch, but it also takes your most efficient offensive player out of the equation offensively.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 31st, 2011
12:40 am
“It also helps when Dwight is limited by foul trouble because without Gortat the Magic have no other quality bangers to speak of (why did they make that move when they were chasing the Celtics?)”
Of course, now that the Celtics traded Perkins, we can pretty much call it even.
MsDee
March 31st, 2011
12:41 am
Jordan Crawford may have put up a lot of shots to get the points he has so far since being traded to Washington, but so did Kevin Durant when he was a rookie and took the Rookie Award from my boi Al Horford…BUT LOOK WHERE KEVIN DURANT NOW IN HIS BASKETBALL CAREER?? WOW, WHAT HAVE SUND DONE??
DP
March 31st, 2011
12:41 am
The Orlando guard is J.J. Redick, not Reddick.
MsDee
March 31st, 2011
12:41 am
We HAD a baller but gave him away..and I do mean, GAVE HIM AWAY!!
MsDee
March 31st, 2011
12:42 am
@Najeh
I do believe you was the one who said Boston may go down in history with the worst trade in Perkins b4 deadline, and I will add the Hawks right behind that one with the Crawford trade to the Wiz!!
Najeh Davenpoop
March 31st, 2011
12:42 am
“and the Hawks managed just 16 points in the fourth period with J.J. (1 for 5) and Jamal (1 for 4) unable to convert.”
Yeah, because they abandoned all pretenses of motion and went to pure iso ball. Thanks Woody Lite.
ReddJonn68
March 31st, 2011
12:44 am
Larry Drew & Stan Van Gundy are both bottom of the barrel material when it comes to coaching. Poor Dwight Howard ( ATL Native ) has carried that team on his back for years.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 31st, 2011
12:44 am
“The Orlando guard is J.J. Redick, not Reddick.”
JJ Reddick is what Joe Johnson is after several minutes in the VIP room at Magic City.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 31st, 2011
12:49 am
“Hinrich missed lots of open shots but harassed Nelson, who still made some tough baskets.”
Ehh… I’ve grown steadily less impressed with Kirk’s D in the weeks since the win over Chicago. Not that his D has been bad — it’s leaps and bounds better than Bibby — but it hasn’t been anything spectacular either. In the 3 minutes Teague played, he completely took Jameer Nelson out of the game. Disappointing to see him taken out of the game after that.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 31st, 2011
12:50 am
Oh yeah… speaking of Teague:
Since the Bibby trade, the Hawks are:
4-2 when Teague gets 20+ minutes, 5-8 when he doesn’t
4-3 when Teague starts, 5-7 when he doesn’t
2-1 with the Teague/Kirk starting back court (including their largest margin of victory since the Bibby trade) and 7-9 with all other lineup combinations
Free Jeff Teague
James on Pharr Rd
March 31st, 2011
12:53 am
Najeh:
I think the measure of Hinrich’s D will be seen in the playoffs once it becomes a half court game
flea
March 31st, 2011
1:03 am
Im not overly afraid of this magic squad. The real people that tortured us in last years playoffs ( Vince Carter, Pietres, and Gortat are all gone) replaced with Hedo, a gimpy Arenas, and Jason Richardson. I like the replacements better.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 31st, 2011
1:12 am
“I do believe you was the one who said Boston may go down in history with the worst trade in Perkins b4 deadline, and I will add the Hawks right behind that one with the Crawford trade to the Wiz!!”
I don’t know how good Jordan will end up being. I still see him as a clone of Jamal when he reaches his potential, with maybe better defense (who knows how willing he will be on that end of the floor). Until he shows what he can do in a more structured system, it’s impossible to know how good he’s really capable of being. But no doubt he’s a guy who in the future could have helped the Hawks.
James on Pharr Rd
March 31st, 2011
1:19 am
Lets settle this Teague issue, what do the fans really expect JT to do in a meaningful game against Rondo Jameer,Rose or even snail-Bibby? I think the kid is used as a scape goat by the fans to voice dissatisfaction against management.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
1:21 am
He Got Jokes!
Najeh said: JJ Reddick ….. I just caught on to that! I’m slooww.
ROF-LMBAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FYI
March 31st, 2011
1:26 am
Jordan Crawford scored 39 points tonight….sigh.
Ryan
March 31st, 2011
1:35 am
We think Teague can be a more complete player than Jordan Crawford is. We think Teague can play D, distribute the ball, and take it to the hole. But we can never be sure, because Larry Drew is a freaking idiot that refuses to play him. Just as he wouldnt put Collins back in until Josh Smith basically told him to. Larry Drew also played Jamal too long and Nelson took him off the dribble over and over again. Larry Drew is the WORST basketball coach I have ever seen.
mpq
March 31st, 2011
1:36 am
I’m done with the hawks! crawford had 39 against the Heat. The hawks SUCK!!!!! I was so excitied to get this guy. then they never played him. Now he’s showing why the hawks management is the worst.
Grandad
March 31st, 2011
1:38 am
With all due respect MsDee,
kevin Durant and others ‘`have’` put up alot of shots
in their 1st & 2nd seasons, but their shooting %’s have not
been as low as JC2.
I’m not attacking the youngster just trying to keep perspective.
As long as we have Joe he was not gonna play very much anyway.
Wish him well and don’t torture yourself.
* There are folks that think the NYK’s got taken to the cleaners
and gave away the farm for Melo.
* Boston & Perkins
* Charlotte giving away Gerald Wallace
So wait and see…time heals all wounds.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 31st, 2011
1:45 am
“Just as he wouldnt put Collins back in until Josh Smith basically told him to.”
Glad someone else noticed this. Yes, Smoove pretty much told LD to put Collins back in the game a good three or four possessions before LD actually got around to doing so.
I MUS WRITE
March 31st, 2011
1:59 am
Nimbers LOL…… pay the man his money nique.. We just have terrible luck with PG’s Dru Holiday goes for 24/12
dz
March 31st, 2011
2:17 am
I hope we get a new Head Coach. Whether we win or lose in the Playoffs, it just seems like LD is twiddling his thumbs on the side-lines at times, and then does a great move, and then does nothing for minutes.
When Dwight was POUNDING, and I mean POUNDING Al repeatidly in the 4th Q, WHY WAS JASON NOT IN? He was OWNING Dwight all night, then pulls him?
Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. And honestly, he needs to get Teague Comfortable in the back-up PG role quickly. We can’t afford to Minute stack KH in a Playoff serious, and need some kind of defense if JC isn’t hitting shots.
I just don’t understand why we can’t run a Teague / Crawford / Marvin / Damien / ZaZa off the bench rotation. It would give our starters valuable rest, and would not be bad. Marvin could play the 3, albiet a little under-sized, but they way he has been slashing and driving the net, it would would work decently.
The main group should be what started tonight, and have Etan as the 11th man if Powel or ZaZa get in foul trouble.
If we did that, and actually UTILIZED what we have, we might actually do somthing in the Playoffs.
Jae Evolution
March 31st, 2011
2:34 am
I hope no one seriously thinks that Boston is any less threatening because they lost Perkins, while that may be a part of their defense they did pretty damn good without him up until January.
The Celtics a year ago were 4th seed, yes we were higher seeded than them, when the playoffs kicked off they turned into a whole different team. This team gained another perimeter threat, and another low post scoring threat, they may have lost defense but at the end of games KG is their C.
I may be the only one who thinks the Celtics won that trade, but there isn’t a doubt in my mind they make it back to the Finals this year, it would be bittersweet if they met there with the Thunder.
prison mike
March 31st, 2011
2:35 am
SekouSmithNBA
“Sources have informed me that Nique landed three solid blows on his alleged attacker, who swung at Nique but didn’t land anything solid.”
Yeah, go ahead and make it official with nique as head coach. He will man up on joe for being a puss and josh for being a knucklehead.
Buddy Grizzard
March 31st, 2011
2:57 am
“JJ Reddick is what Joe Johnson is after several minutes in the VIP room at Magic City.”
wtflol
TLH
March 31st, 2011
3:01 am
So uhh yea Jordan Crawford had 39 pts tonight… sigh. I really feel like speaking my mind against the Hawks organization but why waste my time.
PS,
Jeff Teague I’m still riding with you bruh. Keep your head high!
Buddy Grizzard
March 31st, 2011
3:06 am
“We think Teague can be a more complete player than Jordan Crawford is. We think Teague can play D, distribute the ball, and take it to the hole. But we can never be sure, because Larry Drew is a freaking idiot that refuses to play him.” – Ryan
Co-signed.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 31st, 2011
3:27 am
Jason Collins gets some well-deserved love from ESPN’s Daily Dime.
Worldwide Clyde
March 31st, 2011
3:34 am
When is football season?
Big Daddy
March 31st, 2011
4:14 am
Great win by the team. Seems to be the best team effort all year. Kudos to Jason Collins and Zaza’s play last night. Their defense, rebounding and timely scores kept us in the game. Since I blast him when he doesn’t play up to his potential, great big pat on the back to Josh for stepping up his game. LD, I am sure you have your reasons, but please explain to us why you keep putting Jamal in at the point? I can’t help but believe if JT had come in and made as many turnovers as Jamal did during the stretch where it was like 4 straight turnovers that he would have been on the bench never to approach the scorers table again. Go Hawks!!!!
Katie
March 31st, 2011
5:29 am
everyone, please, stop with the jordan crawford updates. Building up stats on a lottery team doesn’t mean anything, just ask Kevin Love. Would he have gotten all those double-doubles if he played for a better team? no way. the player FORMALLY known as jc2 will live up to his Hawks counterpart (jamal) and that’s probably it. Just jack up enough shots and the points will come, if you’re lucky…..
Katie
March 31st, 2011
5:37 am
The news just flashed the mug shot of the guy who attacked Nique…. lmao. His left eye was all puffed up. Nique’s still got it!!!
Dumbfounded
March 31st, 2011
7:12 am
Everyone was raving about Smoo’s 26 points, and four assists last night and no question Smoo’s “silky jump shot”‘ as Cunningham puts it – gag!! – was a huge factor.
I was at the game sitting behind Ryan Cameron. I’ve got to say that I continue to be bewildered by Several things, one of course Coach Drew’s refusal to play Teague in the third quarter when Nelson was having his way with KH and JC. (By the way is it just me or does Jameer Nelson palm the ball nearly every time he dribbles?)
The major thing that astounds me is where Smoo sets up in the half court set (20+ feet from the rim) where he may stand around in one place, set an occasional screen and frequently become our outside “threat” (double gag!). Most importantly he never, and I mean never, goes to the offensive glass. Here we are, still pretty much a team that relies on the jump shot, and our best rebounder sets up and remains 20 feet from the basket and shows no interest or inclination to crash the offensive boards.
So tell me: is this they way Coach Drew draws it up? Or is it just one more sign that Smoove is simply uncoachable? I really wish someone, Cunningham maybe, would explain this to me.
Never thought I would say this, but there are times I wish Woody was back. Yes Coach Drew has seemed to figure out a way to contain Orlando, but I just think he’s in way over his head.
Willie Coyote
March 31st, 2011
7:15 am
The Hawks always seem to be the only team that gets nothing from its draft picks. The problem is, the latest draft picks haven’t been bad picks. This coaching staff just will not let the guys play. Crawford is averaging close to 16 pts for the Wiz. Now, on a better team, he wouldn’t have as prominent a role but he definitely can play at this level. He would have been a cheaper option off the bench than Jamal with Teague being a cheaper option at the point than Kirk.
This coaching staff needs to go first and foremost. The other moves that are needed mean nothing as long as these guys are calling the shots.
Good win last night.
Willie Coyote
March 31st, 2011
7:21 am
Dumbfounded, I notice the same thing about him. When he wants to go to the offensive glass, he’s a monster on the boards; he just doesn’t seem to want to very frequently.
You’ll also notice that while he sets up 20+ feet from the rim, he doesn’t move without the ball. People will come to set back picks for him and he waves them through. That is why he’s always the outlet when the shot clock is draining. That is also why so many of his jumpers are “bad shots”; he doesn’t really work for the shots. If he were to move without the ball more, he would find that he would get more open looks that were actually in rhythm and his jumpers would be more efficient. He’s also notice he’d get more open layups, making the need to shoot jumpers moot.
O'Brien
March 31st, 2011
7:41 am
Good team win. No mention of Marvin’s good play off the bench?
Good game from Josh, and there were a couple times when he passed up an open jumper and decided to make the pass. And he went to the basket more. Thats what we need from him. Less jumpers, and attack the basket.
…the Hawks managed just 16 points in the fourth period with J.J. (1 for 5) and Jamal (1 for 4) unable to convert..
This is a problem the Hawks have had the entire season (and last year with Woody). 4th quarter scoring, which I think can be attributed to going mostly ISOs in the 4th.
And when will Jamal get on track? I always thought he should have been traded last offseason, but if he doesn’t step it up for the playoffs, his next contract is getting smaller and smaller (especially with a new CBA).
Anthony
March 31st, 2011
7:45 am
What kills me is jamal crawford and mo evans combine to score 60 forwashington last night. how smart are we. we wouldnt even let crawford hit the floor. stupid trade is what i say. just sayin.!
SteveW
March 31st, 2011
7:50 am
As a continued advocate of LD’s firing, I will also continue to give props to him for possibly the best thing he has done as a Head Coach; go big with Collins against certain teams, especially the Magic.
He continues to be a terrible Coach. Nothing has changed on that front.
But as I’ve said all year, the Hawks have the talent to beat every team in the East in a 7 game series, except maybe Boston.
We match up very well against Chicago, Miami, and Orlando.
And Najeh, your comment about Smoove yelling for LD to get Collins in the game is priceless. Smoove may have more on court BB knowledge than LD.
LD is just a terrible, terrible Coach. But the Hawks may get hot, and win despite him. Hope they do.
Go Hawks!
P.S. I think we can beat Boston, if we are mentally prepared. SA has lost 4 in a row without Duncan, so we can beat them also. @Houston and @Indy still concern me a little if they are still battling for a playoff spot.
SteveW
March 31st, 2011
7:52 am
The Hawks modus operandi this season: Follow up a great victory like last night with a 4-8 game funk.
I sense something different this time. I hope I’m right.
Mike is back
March 31st, 2011
8:01 am
MC, Bizarre indeed…The Hawks show some defensive toughness…Nigue beat a joker down…NOW that’s what I called the HIGHLIGHT FACTORY…sorry MC I couldn’t resist.lol
Terrific win by the Hawks.
LD made some good personnel decisions down stretch of the game…although painfully slow…he made them…that was much better.
Two things though…it want be nearly that easy in the playoff…and Dwight will turn into an animal once the playoff start…LD want be able to put AL on Dwight.
We will need Teague, Damein, and all of the Bigs to make through Orlando in the playoff…I hope LD don’t miss that.
When Josh makes up his mind…he can move among the elite young players in the league…he can be one of the most dynamic players in the NBA…if he would commit to playing the game fundamentally right…and playing under control.
GOOD WIN…KEEP IT GOING!!!!!!!!!!!
phil
March 31st, 2011
8:02 am
I still didn’t watch, didn’t go and didn’t listen…but I own up to my bad prediction of a 20 point defeat. We won the game, but Reddick being out had to matter.
we’ll see what happens in a few weeks when the games truly matter…
nice win for a change, though…
TONE
March 31st, 2011
8:04 am
Who is that crawford kid that dropped 39 last night ? anybody ever heard of him.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 31st, 2011
8:14 am
DAMN! That guy who attacked Nique got JACKED UP!
MsDee
March 31st, 2011
8:18 am
Do anyone have the link showing the guy who got punch out by Nique?
O'Brien
March 31st, 2011
8:20 am
And last night was a good example of a game where Marvin down the stretch is a much better option than Jamal, who was 1-4 in the 4th, with his usual no defense.
terrell
March 31st, 2011
8:25 am
Collins played well, which usually means he’ll ride the pine for the remainder of the season. Need to get this guy some min in EVERY game from here on out. Stay big. Marvin’s more agressive coming off the bench.
Big Baller
March 31st, 2011
8:26 am
Who is Twin ? I thought his name was Jason ? I feel like I’m reading a gang blog with all the nicknames… JC2 passed to Twin who flipped it to JJ and he alley-opped to Smoove…
I'll Coach For Free
March 31st, 2011
8:27 am
Katie – “FORMALLY known as jc2 will live up to his Hawks counterpart (jamal) and that’s probably it. Just jack up enough shots and the points will come, if you’re lucky….”
Katie – I agree that JC2 has not proven that he will be an All-Star or anything of the sorts but the frustration from fans is more about Hawks management passing up on another potential solid player. Also, he may be jacking up a lot of shots, he is also contributing in other ways, last 5 games he is averaging 4.5 assists, 5.5 rebounds, and 2 steals. JC1 has seldom had that kind of overall performance over a 5 game strech.
hank finkel
March 31st, 2011
8:36 am
I can identify with Nique’s assailant. I did some personal services work for an athlete’s daughter in 2008 and he has yet to pay me.
terrell
March 31st, 2011
8:41 am
What’s up with Nique owing a former ref some &? ASG not paying this guy? lol. Or was it just Nique’s broadcast that pissed him off? “Dagger in the coffin”, Hawks are taking control of this game”, “Joe is just too big and too strong for whoever’s guarding him”, “heat check”, etc……….. lol
terrell
March 31st, 2011
8:41 am
“oweing a former ref some $”
Trojan
March 31st, 2011
8:45 am
Great win last night. That being said, I have no confidence in the Hawks ownership, management or coaching. Pathetic.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
8:48 am
The Crying Game!
Starring – Dwight Howard & Jameer Nelson
__________________
ATLANTA — Dwight Howard didn’t sound worried after the Orlando Magic lost to the Atlanta Hawks 85-82 on Wednesday.
But he did sound frustrated.
Frustrated with the officiating. Frustrated with the talk that the Hawks may have found their groove against the Magic. And frustrated with the Magic’s lack of rest.
The Magic’s all-star center felt that Jason Collins deserved to receive a flagrant foul instead of a personal foul when Collins wrapped up Howard around the upper shoulders with 3:33 remaining in the second quarter.
“[On] anybody else it would’ve been a flagrant,” Howard said. “But against me, it’s a regular foul.”
Howard expressed no concern that the Magic lost their regular-season series to the Hawks, their likely first-round opponent.
“It’ll be a different animal in the playoffs,” he said.
Meanwhile, injuries have reduced the Magic to just nine available players, including Gilbert Arenas, who continues to have problems with his left leg.
And it seems that Howard wanted to make sure the Magic had Thursday off from practice.
“We need our rest, you know,” Howard said.
“A lot of guys are trying to get healthy, and we keep pounding them away. Gilbert, his knee isn’t right yet. That’s not excuses, but when you have a short roster sometimes rest is what’s going to get everybody back healthy. You can’t force the issue or press your team when you know everybody’s not healthy.
“We’ve got to have our rest,” he added later. “We’ve practiced enough. We’ve had enough shootarounds. It’s about rest right now.”
The Magic will not practice Thursday.
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Jameer Nelson said they remember The Hawks “show boating” on December 20th.
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Imagine Mr. Kryptonite crying about a foul against himself. Didn’t he have 15 fouls in 15 minutes last night? Well, he was only charged with 5 of those! So, Twin wraps him up like a mexican burrito and he feels that was flagrant? What a veiled cry! There is a lot of crying down in the Sunshine State these days.
So, Nelson remembers a December 20th ’show boating’ event?
And?
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Hawks Win! The Hawks apparently remembered some ’show boating’ and clowning last play off season as well. Revenge is a mo-fo, isn’t it?
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Pay Per View!
The Hawks beat their monkey off it’s back and Nique’ finished the night off with a combo hook shot to the left eye of his assailant as well.
The price of admission last night was, well – Rich! Priceless!
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Who’s’ next? Boston?
terrell
March 31st, 2011
8:57 am
LD just sat and watched Al get abused by Dwight in the 4th qtr, possession, after possession, and did nothing about it. Almost waited too late Thanks for pointing this out Josh Smith. Was LD on high? Thats insane.
terrell
March 31st, 2011
9:00 am
“was LD high”
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
9:08 am
Lessons Learned!
These little “nutz huggers” are all alike. Jewelers and Tailors trying to over charge athletes for their services and apparently are more than happy to deliver goods without COD are not only bad business men, but idiots as well.
How many of us have ever entered a Super Target store, filled our buggies and leave without a method of payment? That’s criminally illegal and it’s called shop lifting. So, why would you deliver a service and brag about your client’s list without ever being paid?
If someone commits a crime against you? You take them to court not commit and equal crime and assault someone court-side.
Perhaps the suit(s) didn’t fit well or whatever, but there is a civil and legal recourse for these instances.
I recall Deion Sanders refusing to pay a mechanic in Atlanta, who restored the instrument panel of a classic, antique Cadillac because the guy quoted him one price up front and tried to collect 10 times the amount upon delivery. Dieon refused payment as requested, drove off in the car and sent payment for the original amount that was estimated.
The mechanic took Dieon to court and LOST!
Same thing happened with Snoop Dogg out in LA, same outcome there as well. Dieon said he refused to be punked at the cash register, just because of who he is! A Star Athlete. Dieon said it was a matter of principle and he was simply tired of being wallet-jacked!
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There is always two sides to every story and there is the truth.
Lessons learned?
Najeh Davenpoop
March 31st, 2011
9:10 am
“I feel like I’m reading a gang blog with all the nicknames”
Oh yeah. Nicknames are a sure sign of thuggery. In fact, anyone who ever refers to an individual by anything other than the name on their birth certificate should be a suspect in every open murder case. We all know those gangsters are so diligent about posting all their day to day activities on blogs, being sure to refer to people only by their nicknames in the process.
JM
March 31st, 2011
9:11 am
And should we assume Big Baller is your given name. Gang blog my azz!
Wabe
March 31st, 2011
9:12 am
Jordan Crawford scored 39 last night for the Wizards against the Heat last night…
F the Hawks.
BYC
March 31st, 2011
9:12 am
Nique- keeping it gangster, nice to know someone at the highlight factory has some fight in him!
JC2- I still don’t understand why we traded him, he may not be JJ, but he could produce at least 75% of what JJ does for 5% of the cost…
JC1 + JC2 + a really good center is way better than JJ + JC1 + zaza/collins
Wabe
March 31st, 2011
9:16 am
You can argue all you want about Crawford being replaceable.
Fact is, we got a steal in that last draft at 27. We drafted a pure scorer. A guy who can put the ball in the hoop.
He was capable of giving this team spot minutes here and there, just as Teague’s ready to step on the floor and get meaningful minutes. What bugs me is these guys sit on the end of the bench and rot for the majority of the season as if they’re not capable of contributing.
Argue all you want whether trading a solid young talent for a stop-gap PG is a good move. Fact is, the Hawks haven’t shown anything since that deal went down that makes me take them anymore seriously now than I did prior to the deal. So, was it a good deal? If you asked me now, seeing nothing else was done aside from the Hinrich deal, I’d say, you kiddin me?
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
9:22 am
“C1 + JC2 + a really good center is way better than JJ + JC1 + zaza/collins”
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I’m sure The Magic will agree, they were not better than
” JJ + JC1 + zaza/collins” last night. -wink-
The entire league is littered with better player than ours, but they don’t play for this team and therefore, remain irrelevant to our cause.
For the last time people, the Hawks never needed JC2 after JJ was re-signed and he was selected prior to the fact.
This team has always needed a true PG and Center, not another high volume, non defensive rookie SG. JC2 became irrelevant to the Hawks mission the day JJ was re-signed. Move on people, there is nothing to see here. What we need now is DEFENSIVE players, our window of opportunity will soon be closed. We are not a rebuilding team! See Washington for all that noise. Defense wins Championships.
lewis
March 31st, 2011
9:23 am
nique’s mom used to come into my uncle’s pawn shop all the time
lets just say she was a b!tch
Rev in Tampa
March 31st, 2011
9:29 am
Worst case scenerio,
Hawks beat Magic in first round of playoffs, are competetive in second round, resulting in Drew keeping his job, Teague sitting on the bench next year, Jamal being re-signed, and Collins regarded as the Hawks secret weapon at center.
Wabe
March 31st, 2011
9:34 am
As far as the ‘window of opportunity’ goes, this team hasn’t done anything this season, or in previous playoff series, that leads me to believe there really is even a window. There are more questions about this club now more than ever.
Which is why I’d rather just cut our losses, start young, and try this thing again.
Harpie
March 31st, 2011
9:39 am
Anyone who thinks this win means anything is a fool. Remember – the Cavs beat the Heat last night; does that mean the Cavs are now good?
MJC
March 31st, 2011
9:41 am
Najeh Davenpoop
March 31st, 2011
9:10 am
“I feel like I’m reading a gang blog with all the nicknames”
Oh yeah. Nicknames are a sure sign of thuggery. In fact, anyone who ever refers to an individual by anything other than the name on their birth certificate should be a suspect in every open murder case. We all know those gangsters are so diligent about posting all their day to day activities on blogs, being sure to refer to people only by their nicknames in the process.
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Well, I gonna be a suspect in about 15 murders now. My own family doesn’t call me by my given name.
bigdave
March 31st, 2011
9:48 am
“that lil ni**a swearing he bad eat him for lunch too, punk you you ni**as, Dominique slam dunk you ni**as, sucka punch aan one of you ni**as, i was being nice at first now im running through ni**gas, whole crews, not just 1 or 2 ni**as”
-Clifford (T.I.) Harris Jr.
yall see dude eye..? Nique was looking to give him a Hasim Rahman. http://cdn.lightgalleries.net/4bd5ec148405e/images/Boxing-19-2.jpg
Mike is back
March 31st, 2011
9:49 am
Wabe, people can try to hate on JC2 all they want…cuz, THE Hawks had their head stuck in the sand again when it comes to making trades…BUT DUDE…GOT THAT THANNNNNG!!!!
That’s something you can’t teach…and money can’t buy…word up!!!
JeJe
March 31st, 2011
9:49 am
Go after Ryan Hollins or Javale McGhee.
McGhee stuffed the s**t out of Bosh and Wade last night on 2 different plays and stared them down LOL
Nick Young too
doc
March 31st, 2011
9:50 am
lol @ rev,
devil gotcha now. true victim of askg formally known as basg. maybe it should be dev in tampa the way you are going bro.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
9:57 am
Lost in Translation!
Bigdave, I’m sorry, but I need a translator for that TI quote.
What in the hell is he trying to say?
LOL.
MistaGamer
March 31st, 2011
9:57 am
@Dumbfounded,
Because that’s where Josh is more times than not, structured to setup in LD’s offensive sets. That’s a function of Drew’s “interchangable” parts offense and one of my biggest gripes with his play set philosophy.
It seems he pulls Josh away to create space underneath for Joe insted of the other way around.
O'Brien
March 31st, 2011
9:59 am
Wabe,
Exactly. Jordan was the 27th pick, so nobody expects the guy to be an all star, shoot 45% from the field, and average 15 ppg. All we are saying is for a rookie, who was the 27th pick, he has shown lots of potential.
Does he have things to work on? Sure. Shot selection and defense most notably. But in 2 seasons (with the right coaching and assuming JC2 improves) he could average 10 -15 ppg with better play while still on a rookie salary.
And long term, he could develop into a poor man’s Jamal. Which isn’t bad for a 27th pick. Meanwhile, this offseason, Hawks will be looking to replace Jamal’s scoring off the bench (I dont think we can afford to resign him).
joey
March 31st, 2011
10:19 am
12
Mike is back
March 31st, 2011
10:22 am
Doc what’s up bro, dev in tampa…very funny.lol
Get Real
March 31st, 2011
10:40 am
Again, I stress. HE (JC2) COULD NOT EVEN DRESS for the Hawks. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Not that he was only used in garbage time. Or that he received a few DNP-CD’s here and there.
Nope. He couldn’t even suit-up the vast majority of our games. He’s not scoring 20 per game in the D-league. He’s doing it in the NBA.
I’m not a JC2 fan. But what other franchise would consider a guy capable of averaging 20 per game unworthy to even dress?
There’s just a freakin’ difference between not getting big minutes and not even dressing a guy. This isn’t just missing something by a small amount. It shows complete idiocy, if you ask me.
bigeasy830
March 31st, 2011
10:59 am
@ Get Real
Great post, that is my point and the point of many others on this blog. I said it when the Bibby/Hinrich trade was made that it would be a bad trade only if Jordan Crawford became a good NBA player, it is obvious that the big man we got in the trade from the Wizards suck. Bibby and Hinrich is a even swap, but basically giving away JC2 was terrible. We may lose Jamal next year JC2 would have been a great replacement. He is just a rookie he will get better, his shot selection will get better he scored 39 last night on 50% shooting from the floor. The Hawks do not do a good job of developing their young talent, especially the guards. One gut posted a week ago he will think it was a bad move only after JC2 have proven himself, well bud that will be too late. Tha Hawks must recoginize what they have and develop it.
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
11:18 am
JC2 TORCHED WADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COLLINS GETS THE GAME BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AL WAS BEING DISMANTLED OUT THERE…
AL FOR NENE YESTERDAY……………….
Javale McGhee SPECTACULAR BLOCK ON CHRIS BOSH TWO HANDED DUNK ATTEMPT WAS JUST PLAIN NASTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BEST BLOCK OF THE YEAR BY FAR..BOSH LANDED ON HIS AZZ WHEN IT WAS OVER…LOL……………………….
UP NEXT BOSTON BY 15………………………….YAWN…………………………
BYE LD!! RUN DONT WALK…MAYBE WORST COACH IN HAWKS HISTORY….WOW!!!!!
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
11:23 am
#27 PICK IN 2010 IS BETTER THAN #2 PICK IN 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND THEY GAVE AWAY #27 AND A #1 FOR PEANUTS AND THE HEIMLICH MANEUVER?????????????????HUH????
tom
March 31st, 2011
11:24 am
LD worse than Lon Kruger? LOL!!!!
Rod from College Park
March 31st, 2011
11:25 am
O’Brien,
“And last night was a good example of a game where Marvin down the stretch is a much better option than Jamal, who was 1-4 in the 4th, with his usual no defense.”
No. It was a good example of LD realizing that this great point guard (Kirk Hinrich) that was not a starter for the past three years for a reason, as I told you, is not such a great defender of point guards. He has been playing the 2 and coming off the bench for the last 3 years for a reason. Jameer Nelson stole his lunch money last night, and Derrick Rose made him look like he was on skates in the last game agianst Chicago. Guess what, in the playoffs we will play Jameer Nelson, and if we win that series, I think the next round would be Derrick Rose. Hinrich has shown me nothing since his been here. He can shoot like Bibby, his defense is a little better, but he does not penetrate either, he does not run the offense well, he turns the ball over more than Bibby, and this so called high basketball IQ has not shown up for us. If Hinrich was able to stay in front of his man, none of your issues with Jamal being in would even be relevant. I think we both agree that Teague defensively would be the answer, but we already know that he won’t get any minutes. Can’t blame Jamal and Josh for everything.
Damien From Port Arthur Texas
March 31st, 2011
11:25 am
First off as i said the other day the Hawks have got to get tougher and start foghting back. I just didnt know it would be Dominique. We might lose the game but we’ll kick your ass. thats what we needed even it it was from the greatest player in hawks history. Secondly Thank god for Jason Collins thank the good lord. We will be fine if we just fight back. Maybe even get to the second round
papar bag hawk
March 31st, 2011
11:29 am
39 pts. Fired Larry Drew.
Damien From Port Arthur Texas
March 31st, 2011
11:30 am
i was reading up earlier and whoever i think it was slim said it best why in the hell did we trade jc2. Wow this front office is a mess and the fact that we dont have a center playing in the east is carzy but the hawks are my team so i gotta grin and bare it
papar bag hawk
March 31st, 2011
11:30 am
Sorry. Fire Larry Drew. Not even for the JC2 debacle, but because its obvious if he sticks around Woody 2 would not give rookies a chance to contribute. See Jeff Teague. 3 minutes yesterday. Pathetic. Yes, we won. But is he healthy for the long term future of this team?
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
11:32 am
Going, Going, Gone!
Here’s my point: Love it or Hate it? He gone! So, why keep talking about it. All the complaining in the world is not gonna bring JC2 back.
Is that how yall solve life’s problems? Beat the hell out of it?
What good is it going to do, to become The Orator of the Obvious?
He gone people! At what point will you become tired of gnashing your teeth, before it feels better?
If you want to go over every lopsided trade in the NBA, then fine, do that somewhere else. Go to a NY blog and join them to complain about hopw much talent they gave up for an upcoming UFA in 20 weeks from now, when even with Melo today, they had no chance ion hell at a Title this year! Or, go to the Boston blog and help them wallow in self pity for trading Perkins over a 5M discrepancy. Or go to the Magic blog and help them cry about trading Pietris, Matt Barnes and Gortat for a bunch on smaller players that can’t play ANY defense.
Or, just grow up, move on and get over it! The Hawks don’t need any more JUMP SHOOTERS! We need some danged DEFENDERS and REBOUNDERS period.
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Stop crying girls! Daddy is gone and he ain’t walking through that door!
Focus on what we got now and how we’re gonna get Dwight next Sum$mer, because he is definitely NOT staying in Orlando, regardless of his sound bites otherwise. There is a great chance we can get this guy!
Luxury Tax? No Problem, like Kobe is secretly worth 80M per year to The Lakers? Dwight would be worth 20 times what it cost us to get him!
JC2 is the least of our answers to a Championship, now and in the future.
Every SG in this league can score given 28 shots, hell, Marvin can do that, so can Za Za! Geeez-Us!
Rod from College Park
March 31st, 2011
11:42 am
Another point to all of you people who continue to say run the offense thru Al. I counted two or three times last night when Al was open for the 15 foot jump shot, and he swings the ball to Josh in the corner for a 3 pointer. We all continue to bash Josh for shooting 3’s’ but the three guys I always see passing up shots to pass to Josh standing behing the 3 point line are Joe, Horford and Marvin. I have noticed this many times this year. I personally don’t think Al is comfortable taking 15 to 20 shots a night. He is the ultimate team guy, but I don’t think he is ready, or his game is ready to take that many shots every night. If it’s not a jump shot, his game this year is rather limited. With all of Josh’s flaws, this year he seems to be the most complete player on the team, and he is the only guy that seems to not be afraid to take the big shot besides Jamal. Joe and Horford seem to shy away from the big moments in the game, or fail when their number is called. Marvin is not even an option. This may be another problem this team has in the playoffs.
papar bag hawk
March 31st, 2011
11:43 am
Second part of the question: Do you think Larry Drew sticking around is healthy for the long term growth of this team?
JoJo the Godfather
March 31st, 2011
11:43 am
@ bigeasy830…”Bibby and Hinrich is a even swap…”. Not in my book. Not even close.
Yes, the trade favors Washington especially since Bibby took a buyout. Yes, I personally was hoping for Jo Craw to be our 5th guard for the next 4 years.
But, schit happens, and sometimes for the better. It’s too early to grade this trade.
We’re in playoff mode right now, but when the dust settles and the offseason begins, the $8M expiring contract of a veteran, defensive minded PG will be a very valuable trade chip that should be in high demand (assuming there’s a season next year).
papar bag hawk
March 31st, 2011
11:44 am
JoJo: Good point on the expiring contract. That will come in handy with regards to potential trades.
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
11:44 am
PREDICTION: CHICAGO GOING TO THE FINALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEIR 13-3 IN MARCH!!!!!!!! FINISHING THE SEASON STRONG AND SENDING MESSAGES……………
HAWKS ARE 8-21 OVER THEIR LAST 29!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUND YOU SHOULD BE WORRIED???????????????
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
11:46 am
AL IS OVERRATED!!
AL FOR NENE YESTERDAY……………………..
jgsbirds
March 31st, 2011
11:54 am
i too was at the game last night and was wondering why collins wasn’t in the fourth–then after howard scored his final two–josh smith threw his hands up toward ld and basically said get twin in on howard…it wasn’t that hard to figure out!
also those of you who love jordan crawford so much–just buy the league pass on directv and watch all of his games. face it–he’s not here anymore-he doesn’t play defense at all-can’t pass but can score points…that’s good and bad. we were never going to utilize him correctly any way–hinrich is a much better player for us than jc2.
hinrich made nelson work really hard for those points–he was all over him all night. heck deangelo hall made the pro bowl for allowing over 200 yards receiving to terrell owens. the only thing about hinrich is is that he has to be able to nail the open jumpers to go along with his peskiness on defense.
great win all in all–i actually enjoyed the game a lot even though we were in the upper bowl.
put it to boston tomorrow now!
Rusty
March 31st, 2011
12:17 pm
Dwight is the last one who should cry. I really think he is going to hurt some one the way he uses his elbows.
Ld & sund both suck.
Wabe
March 31st, 2011
12:19 pm
People on this blog still talk about the Hawks drafting Marvin over Chris Paul/Derron Williams…
I don’t think there’s anything wrong still being p!$$ed about trading away a young stud a month or so ago for a stop-gap PG.
Fact is, if JC2 went to Washington and didn’t play so well, it’d be easier to forget. When you see the dude droppin’ 39, it makes you wonder why this kid wasn’t seeing minutes here and why the Hawks would make this deal. If you wanna list all of the gaurds that we have on the roster, save it. I’ll ask you, where are those guards taking us? Another 2nd round playoff exit, maybe?
I’m personally p!$$ed because as I’ve stated a couple of times now, we lost this kid because of Rick Sund’s own stupid mistakes. Re-signing Bibby, Marvin, Zaza are all proving costly for this team. Would you rather move forward with Jordan Crawford on the roster or any of the three I just mentioned? So we lose out on Jordan Crawford because Rick Sund’s bozo decisions still haunt this team.
And let me tell you, if those decisions he made to re-up those guys is still problematic for the Hawks, what makes you think this trade of desperation he pulled off for Hinrich won’t be the same thing a couple of years down the road?
3 years down the road – do you see Kirk Hinrich in a Hawks uniform?
How bout Jamal?
So again, what the hell are we letting go of young potential for?
It’d be easy to forgive and forget if the Hawks were actually going somewhere. But, we’re not! There’s an obvious trend that shows the Hawks boneheaded mistakes haunt this team for years and years down the road. So…
Trojan
March 31st, 2011
12:26 pm
The Hawks have a good to very good player at every position except Center. Will Sund actually make an attempt to complete the team or will he simply speak about our core and sign the cheapest possible bench players again?
Spudster
March 31st, 2011
12:27 pm
From the look of the suit boy that Nique jabbed, looks like Nique has a nice left hook with that big shiner under his eye lmao, nice job Nique, you da man, hit the curb scrubbie hahahahahahaah Go Dominique!!!!
Wabe
March 31st, 2011
12:29 pm
whatever man…
no use ranting about it. just more typical hawks bullstuff.
football season needs to come back round.
Rusty
March 31st, 2011
12:30 pm
Drmaryb. Why do say in a indirect way that jc2 is a poor defensive player.I watched him in the summer league,preseason & with Washington never seen him in the regular season with the hawks,h seems to be a good defender nothing like jc1 por mb. He is very fast & plays his man tight.I guess you probably heard it stated by LD or some blogger.
Rod from College Park
March 31st, 2011
12:34 pm
“hinrich made nelson work really hard for those points–he was all over him all night. heck deangelo hall made the pro bowl for allowing over 200 yards receiving to terrell owens. the only thing about hinrich is is that he has to be able to nail the open jumpers to go along with his peskiness on defense.”
Please help me understand what game you were watching. Nelson was getting in the lane at will. He scored 7 straight point to start the 3rd quarter all with Hinrich guarding him.
doc
March 31st, 2011
12:37 pm
yeah, o’b marvin did start off with a bang to help us get going in the first quarter and as you mentioned it some forgot what he did. played pretty solid.
also some didnt give much cred to josh but he seemed to be manning up to hedo pretty well mano a mano when i focused on their match up.
nice defensive effort and i think we match these guys pretty well since they dont have gortat coming off the bench to put length in against us. like bass’ play on their side, solid.
newkid
March 31st, 2011
12:50 pm
Despite seven full months of up close and personal opportunity to properly evaluate the upside of the kid Jordan Crawford (and obviously having blown it), Sund trades him away. I say again the people in charge of talent evaluation for the Hawks have probably been amongst the worst in the league for the past 15 years, and the organizations player personnel ‘dealmakers’ are a similar lot. If it didn’t defy logic, one could very plausibly argue that there’s a concerted front office effort to permanently render this organization 3rd rate. UNbelievable.
ILL-Logical
March 31st, 2011
1:04 pm
Wow , very interesting details about the Dominique incident. I am just glad it wasn’t one of his former English teachers.
ReddJonn68
March 31st, 2011
1:15 pm
Anyone who really watched last night with an open, mind saw how a penetrating & speedy point guard set the whole table for everything, Jameer Nelson nearly put the Majic on his back. We do not have a PG that dictates the tempo going into the post season, For the love of god, why is it only a few games left & Drew never gave those young guys Teague & JC2 the oppurtunity to get any meaningful experience in live games. I-D-I-O-T-S Drew & Sund have no grasp of reality.
Sleepy
March 31st, 2011
1:17 pm
I think its quite obvious that some of these fans just miss the 15 win seasons . They just ooze loser mentalities all over the Net . All they care about are the individual nimbers and its so tiring for the fans that actually want to win to have to drag these fools kicking and screaming the cellar.
You pick any of the bottom 5 players from the top 5 teams in both conferences and you stick any of them on the wizards and what would they do ? Someone mentioned Jordan Crawford in the same breath as Durant …….seriously ?
Some of you are simply in denial because once you signed Joe he had no future here at the 2 guard and all this slobbering because he made some shots is crazy because most of you wanted LD to play him at the point which is even more mind boggling because its obvious hes not a point .
Its really becoming tiresome reading about how in 2014 Jordan Crawford will somehow be an all nba player and we let him go based on a few points scored but a whole lotta losses his rookie year
Katie
March 31st, 2011
1:19 pm
Dwight was upset that Collins didn’t receive a flagrant foul for wrapping him up?
What about that sharp elbow to the chest Dwight gave out right before Collins fouled him?
As much as I fantasize about Dwight coming home next year, we don’t need anymore whiney b!tches than we already have.
O'Brien
March 31st, 2011
1:21 pm
Rod,
He has been playing the 2 and coming off the bench for the last 3 years for a reason..
The main reason is because the team he was on drafted Rose and Wall. I never said Hinrich was a top 10 PG. And although he is a combo, he is a solid upgrade over Bibby (imo). He struggled against Jameer, but if Bibby was here, JJ would have had to guard Jameer, or Josh and Al would have been switching to help Bibby out. I wish LD would have given Teague a few more minutes last night to see what he could do, especially since Kirk was not shooting the ball well.
he does not run the offense well, he turns the ball over more than Bibby.
Bibby used to cross half-court, and pass the ball to JJ on the perimeter. I’m not sure I call that running the offense. And that was also the main reason Bibby didn’t have many turnovers…he was not handling the ball very much. Some of Kirk’s turnovers have come from trying to penetrate, or trying to squeeze a pass in there. I do agree that his decision making with the ball needs improvement.
I think Kirk is a solid upgrade over Bibby, but as Wabe points out, when you look at the overall trade, Washington wins. And it all goes back to Rick Sund and his decisions to overpay to keep the core together.
O'Brien
March 31st, 2011
1:27 pm
Rod,
I counted two or three times last night when Al was open for the 15 foot jump shot, and he swings the ball to Josh in the corner for a 3 pointer. We all continue to bash Josh for shooting 3’s’ but the three guys I always see passing up shots to pass to Josh standing behing the 3 point line are Joe, Horford and Marvin..
Co-sign. Al needs to be more aggressive and take the shot if it is there. What bothers me too about JJ passing to Josh behind the arc, is JJ takes forever to make the pass. So by the time Josh gets it, the clock is winding down, and he has no choice but to shoot.
And sometimes I wonder if LD’s offense specifically calls for Josh to be around the 3-pt line. That being said, hopefully Josh will be selective with his jumpers when he has the space. And I think he did a good job last night, because he attacked the basket, and there were a couple times when he passed up open jumpers.
doc,
I just hope Josh plays under control in the playoffs, because he has the tendency to get jumper happy sometimes (regardless of whether or not he is making them). Another concern is the refs. If Dwight gets the benefit of the calls in the playoffs, we might be in trouble.
ReddJonn68
March 31st, 2011
1:30 pm
How soon we forget fans, Sund traded 2010 1st pick Damion James ( Texas, SF ) for Jordan Crawford because of JC2 scoring ability. Now this clown turns right around & trades a future scorer, 1st round pick, & veteran player reserve for little to nothing. Sund is even fighting against himself when it comes to evaluating talent for the Hawks LOL.
cp
March 31st, 2011
1:37 pm
I haven’t been that impressed with Hinrich. He has had a few solid games and a lot of forgettable ones. His defense is also a little overrated. He is a solid player but like Wabe has said several times, he is just a stop-gap. I said a few weeks ago the Hawks will still be searching for a pg in the next few years because they keep going for the short term and never for the long term, which is why the young guys rot away on the bench. I thought Woodson was bad with adjustments but LD damn near seems clueless at times. Last night in the first half Dwight was having his way with Zaza and LD took forever to pull him. It happened again in the fourth with Al on Dwight. Hinrich couldn’t guard Nelson and LD made no adjustments. He either waits too long to make a move or doesn’t make a move at all. Its almost like he isn’t watching the game or something.
Samuel
March 31st, 2011
1:45 pm
Nique: “I can get any punch I want on this guy”.
J from the A
March 31st, 2011
1:49 pm
@Rod: It seems like the game jgsbird was watching was the same game that MC and LD were watching.
# Hinrich missed lots of open shots but harassed Nelson, who still made some tough baskets.
# “Jameer got to the basket a couple times but the most important thing with Kirk is he is going to make those point guards work,” Drew said. “They are going to score baskets–those guys are good. But he’s going to make them work.”
I think MC’s and LD’s assessments of Kirk’s performance were accurate. Even in the 3rd quarter when Nelson was getting into the lane (and scoring) while Kirk was guarding him, no one could say with a straight face that Nelson was “getting in the lane at will.” Nelson had to work hard to get in the lane against Kirk (much harder than he would ever have to work against Bibby or JC for that matter).
Of course, none of this is to say that Krirk shut down Nelson, because he didn’t. But I don’t think anyone every claimed that Kirk did shut down Nelson. I also don’t think anyone has ever claimed that Kirk is a lock down defender. Rather the claim is that he is a well above average defender who is light years better defending than Bibby. That much I hope we can all agree on.
clancy
March 31st, 2011
1:52 pm
@ Najeh
“In the 3 minutes Teague played, he completely took Jameer Nelson out of the game. Disappointing to see him taken out of the game after that.”
Uhm – that’s because Nelson was largely out of the game while JT was on the floor. They were only on the court at the same time for 41 seconds. And half of that the Hawks had the ball on offense.
So it’s more like, in the 3 minutes JT played, Stan Van completely took Jameer out of the game for his scheduled breather.
J from the A
March 31st, 2011
1:53 pm
Re: Kirk and turnovers:
What games have you been watching?! Don’t you know Kirk’s turnovers are down DRASTICALLY over the last 4 games (not that they were ever that high to begin with). Kirk has had 22 assists to 1 turnover in 134 minutes over the last 4 games. Yes, 22 TO 1 ASSIST TO TURNOVER RATIO! That is simply amazing!
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
1:54 pm
Rusty
“Drmaryb. Why do say in a indirect way that jc2 is a poor defensive player”
___________________
How many pts did the “winning” teams SG (DWade) drop on top of his head last night? 33, 32? Now that’s some stalwart defense for you rusty! Leave me alone and go bother someone else – Sir.
J from the A
March 31st, 2011
1:59 pm
22 to 1 in the last 4 games.
4 to 1 in the preceding 4 games.
22 to 1 is unheard of.
4 to 1 is good enough to be among the lead leaders.
Mac-Town #maconchevyrider
March 31st, 2011
2:06 pm
smh@Nique holdin out on some stacks and dude told him it was time to break bread.
Dont tell me the Human Highlight Reel swoll up dude’s eye in that pic…say it aint so
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6275568
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
2:07 pm
““I feel like I’m reading a gang blog with all the nicknames”
CRAWL BACK IN YOUR HOLE BUBBA………………..lol
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
2:09 pm
“22 to 1 in the last 4 games.
4 to 1 in the preceding 4 games.
22 to 1 is unheard of.
4 to 1 is good enough to be among the lead leaders.”
WAY TO GO “HEIMLICH MANEUVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yawn……………………………….
ORLANDO IN 6…………………………NEXT……………………
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
2:20 pm
J from the A!
Why do we even bother with all the simpletons? I guess at the heart of us, we just want to teach, educate and motivate our fellow boggers to look at things from a positive perspective. And, it’s fun to have an intelligent debate. Many bloggers have changed ny view points, pepped me up, or help me see things differently. I have learned a lot from reading the posts of better basketball minds on here.
It’s immeasurable when I think about how my knowledge has increased from You, Najeh, O’Brien, Northcyde, Grand-Daddy, Mike is Back, IMUS WRITE, Astro Joe, wordsmithtom, SlimJr, KevinM, terrell , bigdave, Ms. Dee, doc, Rod from CP, cp, lewis, ILL-logical, jgsbirds, brigadierjerry, worldwide clyde and I could do this all day.
Sorry, If I missed anyone. All I have to say is, just keep an open mind and explore possibilities to see things opposite of what is normal for you.
That’s how you grow as a person. Don’t be as stubborn as all the people you complain about.
Kerry
March 31st, 2011
2:22 pm
Jason and ZaZa did a terrific job on Dwight last night,Hope they continue to play like that in the playoffs, GREAT JOB HAWKS!!!
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
2:22 pm
Oh! and don’t forget, “rev in tampa”, MC and Ken Sigura too. Sorry!
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
2:27 pm
EX NBA REF SWUNG ON NIQUE??? YOU SIR ARE CERTIFIABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SEEK HELP IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DUDE WAS INTERVIEWED BY FRANK SKI AND WANDA ON V103 THIS MORNING WHICH MEANS IT WILL BE REBROADCAST AT 10PM TONIGHT ON THE CW!! GOTTA CHECK THIS OUT! MAN PEOPLE ARE LOSING IT DOWN HERE..MUST BE SOMETHIN IN THE WATER??
a: CLORINE AND FLUORIDE IN THE DRINKING WATER…GOOGLE WHAT THE CHEMICALS DO TO THE HUMAN BODY AND MIND……SOME SICK MF’S IN THIS WORLD……SETTLE DOWN SLIMJR…..OKAY??
T-R-U-T-H
March 31st, 2011
2:29 pm
drmaryb = easy puss
clancy
March 31st, 2011
2:32 pm
@ Rod
Kirk’s defense is much better than Bibby’s. In the NBA, a guy can play very good defense and still get scored on. There is massive value in having a guy who is going to fight through screens, chase a guy all over the place, and still get a hand up. A big part of defense is challenging a guy and making him work for what he gets. Coaches and analysts know this.
Also, you seem to be holding onto the first games Kirk played when talking about running the team and turning the ball over. In the last 10 games, Kirk has a total of 7 TOs. That’s against 41 assists, by the way, with the Hawks also having a great team assists to made baskets stat now that he’s more comfortable. His shot was off last night, and all jump shooters are going to be a bit up and down, but overall he’s shot well for the Hawks. (Incidentally, Bibby has a great 26 assists to 8 TOs in their past 10 – which just goes to show how great Kirk has done in comparison.)
I’d also like to see JT get steady, regular minutes. I don’t think that has anything to do with Kirk’s play though – imo, it has to do with Jamal sticking to backup SG duties.
bigdave
March 31st, 2011
2:33 pm
drmaryb..
lol. that was just a line from ‘Countdown’ off his Urban Legend album. after checking ajc this morning and seeing dude eye front page, it came to mind. other than using Nique’s name in a metaphoric sense, it had no relevance..
if its the “aan” you’re struggling w/, its like “any” .. for example.. “if (aan) one of our owners had any sense, they would’ve hired a better GM”
im surprised you need translation, knowing you enjoy melting the Atlanta night life, but i got you..
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
2:35 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
@T-R-U-T-H spitter, you write like a jilted lover????????????????????LOL
ReddJonn68
March 31st, 2011
2:37 pm
Enter your comments here
ReddJonn68
March 31st, 2011
2:43 pm
Nothing wrong with being a diehard fan & sticking by your home team. Anyone who thinks this current rotation & Drew is going to make a real splash in the playoffs, needs to get off the short yellow bus that Sund is driving.
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
2:43 pm
I hope AL destroys Boston’s front line tomorrow night!!!
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
2:45 pm
If Josh was coaching I’d give the Hawks a much better shot in the playoff’s! PLAYOFF”S?? Yep…………LOL
Rusty
March 31st, 2011
2:55 pm
Enter your comments here
Rusty
March 31st, 2011
2:58 pm
Drmaryb for your info jc2 was playing pg after wall went, wasn’t guarding wade
MsDee
March 31st, 2011
2:59 pm
@Slimjr
Josh should pull a ‘Deron Williams’ on LD and change up the play once everyone get back on the floor from the time-out IF and only IF the play makes better sense than LD’s!! LD has proved to me that he isn’t the one for this team..quality defensive-minded guys on your roster AND YOU DONT USE THEM??? Josh, coach this team, I think you have the BACKBONE to do it!!!
Hawk Eyes
March 31st, 2011
3:02 pm
Point Guard defense means picking up the other pg early in the set after they cross mid court. Fighting thru screens is a part of it yet pressure is the main key. CP3 is the perfect example, Teauge’s youth and legs gave Nelson a hard time when he played.
Old habits are hard to break – I do agree with some blogs about LD – this team seems to run some of the old sets that Woodson taught at times. The tempo of this team need to improve right now and adjustments need to be made in a timely manner. Good luck Hawks and LD this may be your first and last season together.
Mike is back
March 31st, 2011
3:03 pm
Hey, get TF off Captain Kirk back…the dude plays his role…it is not his fault if LD refuses to play Teague…dude never complains…plays within himself…and plays sound fundamental defense…he has never been known a shut down defender…he’s one of those hard nose guys like a Scott Skiles…BIG UPGRADE over Bibby and Jamal.
It’s not his fault Sund got pimped in that trade…until I get a chance to see Armstrong play some extended minutes…I want harp on what JC2 is doing…with the limited knowledge I have of Armstrong…he could definitely help us out…if given a chance.
Unfortunately that want probably happen to next season…or we get a new coach…cuz LD has had some good things to say about Armstrong…but he seems diametrically opposed to playing him.
I’m happy for JC2…I think Teague will blossom too…once he is given a chance.
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
3:06 pm
@MsDee, I co-sign with ya!!!!!!!!
Josh won the game last night when he screamed to LD(DEER IN HEADLIGHTS) that Collins needed to get back in the freaking game late in the 4th as DH was taking Al to school!!!!!!!!!!!! Josh just take over and run this thang before it gets outta hand please?????????????LOL
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
3:12 pm
once Teague is traded outta here like JC2, he’ll take off and become really good baller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Samuel
March 31st, 2011
3:19 pm
Nique in action:
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=91b91f19-66dd-4db6-a9dc-cfee1cf12b05
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
3:30 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
OH Sh-t!!!!! Nique took off his tie and Jacket for some more butt kicking to come!!!!!!!!!!! Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bizzare ish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was personal!! Did this NBA ref call a flagrant foul on Nique in the past or what?????????????????????????????????????????LOL………
Shoulda kept Jordan Crawford
March 31st, 2011
3:30 pm
Do you guys see Jordan Crawford straight ballin for the Wiz? All he needed was an opportunity to play. He’s playing against the same competition, still putting up big numbers.
Also we almost lost that game cause LD was too stubborn to put Twin back in the game. I like Al, but he can’t hold Dwight. Hopefully he does not make the same mistake in the playoffs!!
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
3:31 pm
Bigdave
“lol. that was just a line from ‘Countdown’ off his Urban Legend album.”
________________
Really, did I quote something? What line are you speaking of, I’am not familiar with, I have little to no music prowess to speak of.
I usually speak from the heart, and most times I never know what I will say next or, how it will be perceived by others. I’m very raw and very real. Now, you got me curious about this line? From an album? I’ve got to go and download that and check it out – but, thanks Love.
Mmmmwah!
Rod from College Park
March 31st, 2011
3:31 pm
J from the A,
@Rod: It seems like the game jgsbird was watching was the same game that MC and LD were watching.
Why would you ever try to put LD in a post trying to support somebodies post. The guy won’t put the fastest guy on our team in against one of the fastest guards in the league. So MC and LD saw Hinrich making Jameer work, but the guy scored 8 points over his season average, and shot over 50% from the field and over 50% from the 3 point line? Jameer had no problem blowing by Hinrich at any time last night. D. Rose came here and was guarded by Hinrich also, and scored over his season average also, while shooting over 50% from the field and over 70% from the 3 point line. A guy must really be making you work hard to shoot over 50% from the field, and 50% from the 3 point line (LOL).
“I think MC’s and LD’s assessments of Kirk’s performance were accurate.”
I don’t agree with their assesments, and the numbers will back me up.
“22 to 1 in the last 4 games.
4 to 1 in the preceding 4 games.”
Why would you use a 4 game sample to support your argument. The argument is about Bibby and Hinrich. Bibby has has had one of the best assist to turnover ratio’s in the NBA for the past couple of years, but your 4 game data is supposed to prove your point? Fact is from what Iv’e seen from Hinrich, he brings the same skillset to the Hawks that Bibby did offensively, no penetration, great open jumpshooter, improved defense (from awful to average), still can’t stay in front of quick guards, and he does not run the team, or protect the ball better than Bibby did. Trust me, I was not a big Bibby fan either. I have also noticed that Kirk struggles to get the ball up the court when pressure is applied, just like Bibby. From what I have seen, he was being used correctly by the Wizards and the Bulls, as a backup point guard, or a combo guard. That’s my opinion. I have not been impressed by his defense at all because I realize how bad Bibby and Jamal are defensively. We still had to resort to the same thing Woodson was forced to do all the time last night, and that was to switch, and put a big (Marvin) on Jameer at the end of the game to stop penetration.
J from the A
March 31st, 2011
3:34 pm
Dr.Maryb
Thanks for the shout out. And thanks for the reminder that I need to be careful of my own stubbornness. I try to keep an open mind. I try to recognize that I am sometimes (perhaps even often?) wrong. But even still, even I can get a little stubborn sometimes.
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
3:38 pm
LD=Jim Mora, Bobby Cox, Wade Phillips,Norv Turner, Lon Krueger,Kevin Lougery Woody………..et al……………
Should be assistants not HC’s…Round peg, square hole…These guys stepped outside their gifts and guess what happens?????
147 seasons and only one freakin CHAMPIONSHIP in HOT Lanta………………………..WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
3:40 pm
Bigdave!
OMG! I got it now! I forgot about that TI quote you posted this morning.
I thought you were speakinmg of my last post, duuuh!
Thanks for that TIP (no pun intended). LOL! I will check that out later tonight. -wink-
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
3:40 pm
Bigdave!
OMG! I got it now! I forgot about that TI quote you posted this morning.
I thought you were speaking of my last post, duuuh!
Thanks for that TIP (no pun intended). LOL! I will check that out later tonight. -wink-
bigdave
March 31st, 2011
3:43 pm
no problem hun, understood.. it was just in reply to this:
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
9:57 am
Lost in Translation!
Bigdave, I’m sorry, but I need a translator for that TI quote.
What in the hell is he trying to say?
LOL.
bigdave
March 31st, 2011
3:43 pm
lol. ok gotcha, i was like… must have been a long day..
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
3:58 pm
Douche Bag!
Mar 31, 9:25 AM
Wilkins’ Alleged Attacker: ‘I’m Gonna Sue!’
The man accused of attacking NBA legend Dominique Wilkins says he’s the real victim and he’s planning to sue over the alleged beat down. TMZ spoke with Rashan Michel — a former NBA referee — and he claims he was calmly trying to work out a deal over the money he says ‘Nique owes him for custom suits. Michel claims Wilkins responded by yelling, “F**k You!” … then security wrestled him to the ground … and that’s when the Hall of Famer slugged him. Michel is adamant that he did NOT hit Wilkins first. Michel tells us he plans on suing Wilkins and the Hawks organization — as well as subpoenaing the surveillance footage … which he claims proves his side of the story.
J from the A
March 31st, 2011
4:00 pm
@Rod from CP:
BTW, 4 + 4 = 8, not 4.
Quoting Rod from CP:
“Hinrich has shown me nothing since his been here. He can shoot like Bibby, his defense is a little better, but he does not penetrate either, he does not run the offense well, he turns the ball over more than Bibby, and this so called high basketball IQ has not shown up for us.”
Now according to you, your negative assessment is about Hinrich showing you nothing “SINCE HIS (sic) BEEN HERE.” So, I am assuming your claim about turnovers is a claim about how bad Hinrich has been at turning the ball over since he has been here. If that is the case, you have a sample of about 8 bad games … games where Hinrich was adjusting to running a new (to him) offense while also trying to get a feel for players whom he has not played with all season. On the other hand, I also have a sample of 8 games. But somehow your sample of 8 games is superior to my sample of 8 games.
Now, if your claim is about Bibby vs. Hinrich TOs over the last two years, let’s not kid ourselves: You are comparing apples to oranges. different systems, different roles, different etc. I am more concerned with how Kirk is/will be performing as a Hawk than what he did as a Wizard/Bull.
And, by the way, my only point was to point out that Hinrich has not been turning over the ball lately. For this claim, I think the most recent 8 games are a good measure for a claim about Hinrich’s recent performances.
But truly the bottom line is: Kirk is a definite upgrade over Bibby. We may agree to disagree over some of the specifics, but denying the fact that Kirk > Bibby would be ludicrous.
J from the A
March 31st, 2011
4:06 pm
@Rod from CP (cont.):
I should probably reiterate before you jump all over me:
I don’t think anyone (at least no one in their right mind) ever claimed that Kirk was going to be the Hawks’ savior. I don’t think anyone claimed that he was a super lock-down defender. I don’t think anyone claimed that he would be able to penetrate like Westbrook or Rose.
The claims (at least by the sane people) were: He provides a definite defensive upgrade over Bibby while not costing us anything (on the whole) on the offensive end. I am not sure there is anything controversial in this statement at all.
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
Funny, last night Magic was asked on the Monique show the difference between today’ss players and when he played..He answered they are very athletic today but far removed from the fans…Read between the lines: stuck up sons of………..He coached for 16 games and told his squad go kiss your girl friends or friend because after we trade your azzes she wont be your girl anymore!!!!!LOL
He also said we shot better than today’s players..Individuals and teams avg 50% back then…..Wow….He also flat out said we were smarter than today’s players…….interesting stuff………..
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
4:44 pm
Human Nature!
J from the A
Yes Sirrr, we are all guilty of this and that. Stubbornness is all part of being human. LOL! I’m still so excited about our record vs the Magic this season 3 to 1 …. Yeah!
I’ll be at the game tomorrow night! Let’s Go Hawks! Beat Boston!
Ray Allen complaining about not getting the ball enough?
I guess that never gets old either, too many shooters not enough balls. LOL!
Rod from College Park
March 31st, 2011
5:04 pm
“But truly the bottom line is: Kirk is a definite upgrade over Bibby. We may agree to disagree over some of the specifics, but denying the fact that Kirk > Bibby would be ludicrous.”
Wow!!! Really don’t want to defend bibby, but here I go. Actually it would not e ludicrous. Since Hinrich has been here, we are one game below .500 (8W-9L). While Bibby was here we were well above .500 (35W-23L). Bibby’s numbers while a Hawk this year are all better or equal to Hinrich (while a Hawk) in almost every category except for FG% 45% to 43%. Is Kirk a better defender, yes, but thats about it. We won at a higher percentage with Bibby, Bibby’s overall numbers this year as a Hawk including assist to tunover ratio were better than Hinrich’s numbers as a Hawk, and the two point guards who we will most likely face in the playoffs Rose and Nelson have both scored over their seaon averages, while shooting over 50% from the field against Hinrich, but his basketball IQ is so much more superior than anyone on the team, and he is a great defender (LOL). Again, I am not a Bibby fan, but those are the facts. All while Teague destroyed offensively and defensively, one of the best point guards in the league (Andre Miller), but he can’t get any burn.
Rod from College Park
March 31st, 2011
5:13 pm
“The claims (at least by the sane people) were: He provides a definite defensive upgrade over Bibby while not costing us anything (on the whole) on the offensive end. I am not sure there is anything controversial in this statement at all.”
I will agree with that. But I have not been impressed by game. Defensively, from what I see, he can not stay in front of the quicker guards in the league, which was the problem when Bibby was here. He can be used to guard guys like D.Wade, and the Andre Millers of the world, but we will still have problems defensively guarding the Rondo’s, D. Roses, and J. Nelsons of the world.
Slimjr
March 31st, 2011
5:24 pm
Boston has lost 8 out of 12! They blew that trade big time!! Hawks get them on the 2nd night of a back to back Friday night on ESPN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tonight the Celts play San Antonio……Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
drmaryb (*_-)
March 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
8 out of 12? Really? Dang, they’re doing what we did, but we turned it around. And, Ray Allen is bickering about he ain’t getting the ball enough on offense. I guess he said, he ain’t doing all that running around for nothing! LOLB
sam'l
March 31st, 2011
6:04 pm
I was forced to watch Washington last night…..and frickin’ Jordan Crawford blew me away! No holds barred, full on-tilt stop me if you can for 39 points. I wish he was in the starting lineup for the Hawks. Not blaming anyone….I was just totally impressed…..
Is it possible that the Hawks have now been paired against an Orlando team they can beat thanks to the magic of Otis Smith? What an incredible twist. I’ll believe it when it’s over. I do enjoy watching Stan Van Gundy rolll his eyes up into his head.
As to which players are gay, well, what about Rudy Gay…….
Even though Bibby is adorable in a Miami costume, he’s hard to enjoy, iknowing that he’s actually trying his best there when he gave the Hawks a less than superb effort. Maybe the Hawks should bar his entourage as well. Naw, he’s too cute.
richbrave
March 31st, 2011
8:05 pm
“I would take jc2 over JJ at a fraction of the cost.” – Rusty
I think that trade was more about getting rid of Bibby than anything else.
And I think you’re right. BTW, that 6.5 mill he put on LEONSIS really came in handy.
And JC is far from a household name in waiting for the WIZ. His defense is non-existant. If he’d learn to move his feet those long arms would get a few steals and tipped balls. His offense is wild, but more refined already than when he came to the D.C. area.
He’s a project, but so’s most of the team. You should know what the ‘ZARDS are about when MO EVANS is one of the better players.
And he didn’t just guard WADE. He guarded LeBRON and BIBBY as well. When he went at BIBBY everything he threw up over MIKE went in. Bit tougher over LeBRON.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
March 31st, 2011
10:53 pm
Human highlight film beat the BREAKS off ol’ dude then beat him out of his money. DOMINIQUE for COACH 2012!!!
LD is a tentative, lackluster, lame lethargic, lucky coach and The Hawks can win the 1st round in spite of him. LD stands for LAME DUCK.
I, the creator of the nickname Marvin “Gaye” Williams have coined the new nickname of the postseason – Larry “Lame Duck” Drew.
Hinrich was toasted by Nelson in the 3rd – no sign of Teague. That alone shows lack of flexibility.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
March 31st, 2011
10:57 pm
<<<>>>
Right on to the real Rod From CP
CaptainMudderland
March 31st, 2011
11:45 pm
Those old threads are worn out by now and so is this business of accosting people @work–what a fart to approach Nique like that for some old problem…really stupid and attention seeking–certainly not the action one takes to win over the courts…so his eye gets popped=victim of being stupid.