Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 85, Magic 82

  • During the game I kept telling Hawks PR man Arthur Triche that strange stuff was happening like Twin holding down Dwight and Josh draining fade away jumpers.
  • And then the most bizarre thing of all happened after: An Ex-NBA ref allegedly attacked ‘Nique soon after he finished his TV duties. Atlanta Police arrested the man. ‘Nique was said to be uninjured and returned home.
  • As for the game, it’s uncertain what these three straight Ws against the Magic will mean come the playoffs, especially since this was the first meeting in which Orlando was (relatively) healthy and cohesive.
  • But, as Jamal put it: “It definitely doesn’t hurt.”
  • I used to think the Heat would provide the best potential playoffs match up for the Hawks because of their shaky point guard play and lack of a real scoring threat on the front line. Now it might be the Magic, though their lack of depth while missing Redick was a mitigating factor tonight.
  • And the reason for that shift in view, so help me gosh, is Twin.
  • How’s this Stan Van Gundy quote for strangeness: “That’s the best defense I’ve seen all year on Dwight. He did a great job. Against Collins, [Howard] didn’t get a lot of good shots. I thought he did a great job on him. He’s big and physical. He doesn’t give you anything easy. Dwight had trouble getting good, on-balance shots.”
  • Twin also got Dwight into early foul trouble, first by taking a (legit) charge and then by boxing him out for a rebound and forcing Dwight to grab him. Dwight likes to give out physical punishment but is bothered when he has to take it.
  • “He’s a great player,” Collins said. “He’s done a really good job with improving his post moves and not just going with power. When he goes power, that’s when I try to get into position to take a charge.”
  • And, credit to Collins, he is able to get good position on Howard. With the Hawks playing sound defense on the perimeter (save for Jameer’s third quarter) Twin wasn’t faced with too many mismatches in space.
  • “I think they are guarding us differently now,” Ryan Anderson said. “Collins is a bigger body that makes it tough on Dwight. That’s pretty much what they’re doing. We just need to get in the gym and work on countering that.”
  • Add that to the list of the bizarre: An opposing player talking about needing to come up with a different game plan to counter Jason Collins’ impact.
  • Twin wasn’t in the game for most of the fourth as L.D. went small. Dwight took advantage by earning eight eight free-throw attempts and scoring eight of his 17 points in the period. Twin headed back in with 1:40 to play, after Dwight had gotten three straight plays at the basket.
  • “That’s kind of what we’ve done the first three games, we’ve played big on him all the way into the fourth quarter,” Drew said. “Hopefully Al can go into the fourth with low fouls; tonight he had one when we put him on Dwight. Tonight the strategy didn’t work out so I went back to Jason at the end there who came in and did a a good job on him. Sometimes certain thing don’t work and you have to be ready to adjust.”
  • The Hawks held the Magic, a good shooting team, to 38 percent from the floor in four games. On 3-pointers, Orlando was 4 for 22 in Game 1, 4 for 22 in game 2, 4 for 17 in Game 3 and 7 for 23 tonight.
  • If the Magic can’t make 3s, and Dwight is having an inefficient night, and Nelson isn’t allowed to run wild . . . . then they can be slowed.
  • It also helps when Dwight is limited by foul trouble because without Gortat the Magic have no other quality bangers to speak of (why did they make that move when they were chasing the Celtics?)
  • The Magic hung with the Hawks because Turkoglu and Nelson were efficient and timely scorers and the Hawks managed just 16 points in the fourth period with J.J. (1 for 5) and Jamal (1 for 4) unable to convert.
  • “They are the type of team, they are going to be around,” L.D. said. “You have to be mentally strong to really milk every possession against them. They are going to make you work on the defensive end. With Dwight, they can basically get the shots they want particularly if you have to double team him.”
  • Depending on how the games are called, Collins’ defensive work against Howard should be repeatable in the playoffs. Same goes for Zaza’s energetic attack on the boards. Also have to think the Hawks can keep sharing the ball like this (21 assists on 33 field goals).
  • But not so sure the Hawks can rely on Smoove’s silky jump shots, their 13 for 15 free-throw shooting or foul trouble for Dwight.
  • Josh was energetic and active on defense and had four assists against one turnover.
  • J.J., facing aggressive double teams, had moments where he again looked like the player who can get his on post-ups, runners and hesitation moves. He had other moments where he was too indecisive with the ball and, in fairness to Smoove, sometimes that resulted in passes to Josh late in the shot clock necessitating a jumper.
  • J.J. missed on a drive to the basket with the Hawks up 84-82. “Forget about it and move on,” Joe said. “But that’s tough, missing a little easy shot in the lane like that.”
  • Hinrich missed lots of open shots but harassed Nelson, who still made some tough baskets.
  • “Jameer got to the basket a couple times but the most important thing with Kirk is he is going to make those point guards work,” Drew said. “They are going to score baskets–those guys are good. But he’s going to make them work.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

177 comments Add your comment

Lionhearted

March 31st, 2011
12:15 am

I woulda liked to see Nique throw the 1 hitter quiter

And Bob runs up and says “U got knocked da fugg out”

Lionhearted

March 31st, 2011
12:16 am

Bob: Thats my dawg, thats my dawg. If anybody wanna know, thats my dawg.

Rusty

March 31st, 2011
12:18 am

LD is a liability. Why did he wait so long to put Collins in? Why the hell wasn’t jt in to slowdown Nelson? Why the hell was JC2 playing pg .KH didn’t shoot well or play great defense on Nelson.why didn’t Wilkins play. I am afraid that we will not be able to overcome his bad decisions. God I would love to see Etan play for more than a minute every 30 games. I hope he gives our starters some rest before the playoffs.

doc

March 31st, 2011
12:20 am

“That’s kind of what we’ve done the first three games, we’ve played big on him all the way into the fourth quarter,” Drew said. “Hopefully Al can go into the fourth with low fouls; tonight he had one when we put him on Dwight. Tonight the strategy didn’t work out so I went back to Jason at the end there who came in and did a a good job on him. Sometimes certain thing don’t work and you have to be ready to adjust.”

huh? i mean why change what is working?

doc

March 31st, 2011
12:24 am

“J.J., facing aggressive double teams, had moments where he again looked like the player who can get his on post-ups, runners and hesitation moves. He had other moments where he was too indecisive with the ball and, in fairness to Smoove, sometimes that resulted in passes to Josh late in the shot clock necessitating a jumper.”

amen to that. josh is not reluctant and really fearless but he does often end up with the hot potato in his hand often having to heave it up. nowadays i am more confident with him as the long range shooter than i am with jj. few long shots early in the clock tonight which i liked.

cp

March 31st, 2011
12:26 am

lol exactly doc..LD makes a lot of baffling decisions. He takes too long to make adjustments when there is an obvious bad match up on the court. Jamal and Kirk were having trouble with Jameer tonight but LD stuck with them as if they were playing good defense.

Not Sund

March 31st, 2011
12:27 am

It sure helps when Josh plays the right way.

Let’s see what happens in the playoffs.

What kind of ish is that, attacking Nique for some suits he bought years ago? Sounds like bruh-man down on his luck and lashing out.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 31st, 2011
12:30 am

From the sound of it, looks like Nique really did a nimber on that guy.

Brad

March 31st, 2011
12:32 am

lol Najeh..you’re a funny dude

Get Real

March 31st, 2011
12:35 am

Say what you want about his FG percentage.
Say what you want about his team’s record.

Go ahead and stroke yourself.

But.

Jordan Crawford could not even DRESS for Larry Drew.

The guy is scoring about 20 pts per game in the freaking NBA. Not Europe. Not Israel. Not China. Not college. The N freakin’ BA !

And he could not even DRESS for the Hawks!

This is not some prediction that he will be a Hall of Famer some day.

But for crying out loud — COULD NOT EVEN FREAKIN’ DRESS for us !!!

Repeat after me: “He wasn’t even considered worthy to freakin’ suit-up” !!

Something is seriously, seriously, wrong with this organization.

Crazy Fan

March 31st, 2011
12:37 am

It was a fun game to be at with the kryptonite green crew. Twin did what we always wanted him to do, it was most fitting for him to get the freethrows to when the game

Crazy Fan

March 31st, 2011
12:38 am

sorry meant win

Najeh Davenpoop

March 31st, 2011
12:38 am

“That’s kind of what we’ve done the first three games, we’ve played big on him all the way into the fourth quarter,” Drew said. “Hopefully Al can go into the fourth with low fouls; tonight he had one when we put him on Dwight. Tonight the strategy didn’t work out so I went back to Jason at the end there who came in and did a a good job on him. Sometimes certain thing don’t work and you have to be ready to adjust.”

I don’t see the logic behind using Al on Dwight at all. Collins did a phenomenal job on him all game, and after getting beat by him in the first half, Zaza stepped up and bodied him up in the 2nd half, outmuscling him for several boards. Playing Al on Dwight not only is a defensive mismatch, but it also takes your most efficient offensive player out of the equation offensively.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 31st, 2011
12:40 am

“It also helps when Dwight is limited by foul trouble because without Gortat the Magic have no other quality bangers to speak of (why did they make that move when they were chasing the Celtics?)”

Of course, now that the Celtics traded Perkins, we can pretty much call it even.

MsDee

March 31st, 2011
12:41 am

Jordan Crawford may have put up a lot of shots to get the points he has so far since being traded to Washington, but so did Kevin Durant when he was a rookie and took the Rookie Award from my boi Al Horford…BUT LOOK WHERE KEVIN DURANT NOW IN HIS BASKETBALL CAREER?? WOW, WHAT HAVE SUND DONE??

DP

March 31st, 2011
12:41 am

The Orlando guard is J.J. Redick, not Reddick.

MsDee

March 31st, 2011
12:41 am

We HAD a baller but gave him away..and I do mean, GAVE HIM AWAY!!

MsDee

March 31st, 2011
12:42 am

@Najeh

I do believe you was the one who said Boston may go down in history with the worst trade in Perkins b4 deadline, and I will add the Hawks right behind that one with the Crawford trade to the Wiz!!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 31st, 2011
12:42 am

“and the Hawks managed just 16 points in the fourth period with J.J. (1 for 5) and Jamal (1 for 4) unable to convert.”

Yeah, because they abandoned all pretenses of motion and went to pure iso ball. Thanks Woody Lite.

ReddJonn68

March 31st, 2011
12:44 am

Larry Drew & Stan Van Gundy are both bottom of the barrel material when it comes to coaching. Poor Dwight Howard ( ATL Native ) has carried that team on his back for years.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 31st, 2011
12:44 am

“The Orlando guard is J.J. Redick, not Reddick.”

JJ Reddick is what Joe Johnson is after several minutes in the VIP room at Magic City.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 31st, 2011
12:49 am

“Hinrich missed lots of open shots but harassed Nelson, who still made some tough baskets.”

Ehh… I’ve grown steadily less impressed with Kirk’s D in the weeks since the win over Chicago. Not that his D has been bad — it’s leaps and bounds better than Bibby — but it hasn’t been anything spectacular either. In the 3 minutes Teague played, he completely took Jameer Nelson out of the game. Disappointing to see him taken out of the game after that.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 31st, 2011
12:50 am

Oh yeah… speaking of Teague:

Since the Bibby trade, the Hawks are:

4-2 when Teague gets 20+ minutes, 5-8 when he doesn’t
4-3 when Teague starts, 5-7 when he doesn’t
2-1 with the Teague/Kirk starting back court (including their largest margin of victory since the Bibby trade) and 7-9 with all other lineup combinations

Free Jeff Teague

James on Pharr Rd

March 31st, 2011
12:53 am

Najeh:
I think the measure of Hinrich’s D will be seen in the playoffs once it becomes a half court game

flea

March 31st, 2011
1:03 am

Im not overly afraid of this magic squad. The real people that tortured us in last years playoffs ( Vince Carter, Pietres, and Gortat are all gone) replaced with Hedo, a gimpy Arenas, and Jason Richardson. I like the replacements better.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 31st, 2011
1:12 am

“I do believe you was the one who said Boston may go down in history with the worst trade in Perkins b4 deadline, and I will add the Hawks right behind that one with the Crawford trade to the Wiz!!”

I don’t know how good Jordan will end up being. I still see him as a clone of Jamal when he reaches his potential, with maybe better defense (who knows how willing he will be on that end of the floor). Until he shows what he can do in a more structured system, it’s impossible to know how good he’s really capable of being. But no doubt he’s a guy who in the future could have helped the Hawks.

James on Pharr Rd

March 31st, 2011
1:19 am

Lets settle this Teague issue, what do the fans really expect JT to do in a meaningful game against Rondo Jameer,Rose or even snail-Bibby? I think the kid is used as a scape goat by the fans to voice dissatisfaction against management.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 31st, 2011
1:21 am

He Got Jokes!

Najeh said: JJ Reddick ….. I just caught on to that! I’m slooww.

ROF-LMBAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FYI

March 31st, 2011
1:26 am

Jordan Crawford scored 39 points tonight….sigh.

Ryan

March 31st, 2011
1:35 am

We think Teague can be a more complete player than Jordan Crawford is. We think Teague can play D, distribute the ball, and take it to the hole. But we can never be sure, because Larry Drew is a freaking idiot that refuses to play him. Just as he wouldnt put Collins back in until Josh Smith basically told him to. Larry Drew also played Jamal too long and Nelson took him off the dribble over and over again. Larry Drew is the WORST basketball coach I have ever seen.

mpq

March 31st, 2011
1:36 am

I’m done with the hawks! crawford had 39 against the Heat. The hawks SUCK!!!!! I was so excitied to get this guy. then they never played him. Now he’s showing why the hawks management is the worst.

Grandad

March 31st, 2011
1:38 am

With all due respect MsDee,
kevin Durant and others ‘`have’` put up alot of shots
in their 1st & 2nd seasons, but their shooting %’s have not
been as low as JC2.
I’m not attacking the youngster just trying to keep perspective.
As long as we have Joe he was not gonna play very much anyway.
Wish him well and don’t torture yourself.

* There are folks that think the NYK’s got taken to the cleaners
and gave away the farm for Melo.

* Boston & Perkins

* Charlotte giving away Gerald Wallace

So wait and see…time heals all wounds.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 31st, 2011
1:45 am

“Just as he wouldnt put Collins back in until Josh Smith basically told him to.”

Glad someone else noticed this. Yes, Smoove pretty much told LD to put Collins back in the game a good three or four possessions before LD actually got around to doing so.

I MUS WRITE

March 31st, 2011
1:59 am

Nimbers LOL…… pay the man his money nique.. We just have terrible luck with PG’s Dru Holiday goes for 24/12

dz

March 31st, 2011
2:17 am

I hope we get a new Head Coach. Whether we win or lose in the Playoffs, it just seems like LD is twiddling his thumbs on the side-lines at times, and then does a great move, and then does nothing for minutes.

When Dwight was POUNDING, and I mean POUNDING Al repeatidly in the 4th Q, WHY WAS JASON NOT IN? He was OWNING Dwight all night, then pulls him?

Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. And honestly, he needs to get Teague Comfortable in the back-up PG role quickly. We can’t afford to Minute stack KH in a Playoff serious, and need some kind of defense if JC isn’t hitting shots.

I just don’t understand why we can’t run a Teague / Crawford / Marvin / Damien / ZaZa off the bench rotation. It would give our starters valuable rest, and would not be bad. Marvin could play the 3, albiet a little under-sized, but they way he has been slashing and driving the net, it would would work decently.

The main group should be what started tonight, and have Etan as the 11th man if Powel or ZaZa get in foul trouble.

If we did that, and actually UTILIZED what we have, we might actually do somthing in the Playoffs.

Jae Evolution

March 31st, 2011
2:34 am

I hope no one seriously thinks that Boston is any less threatening because they lost Perkins, while that may be a part of their defense they did pretty damn good without him up until January.

The Celtics a year ago were 4th seed, yes we were higher seeded than them, when the playoffs kicked off they turned into a whole different team. This team gained another perimeter threat, and another low post scoring threat, they may have lost defense but at the end of games KG is their C.

I may be the only one who thinks the Celtics won that trade, but there isn’t a doubt in my mind they make it back to the Finals this year, it would be bittersweet if they met there with the Thunder.

prison mike

March 31st, 2011
2:35 am

SekouSmithNBA

“Sources have informed me that Nique landed three solid blows on his alleged attacker, who swung at Nique but didn’t land anything solid.”

Yeah, go ahead and make it official with nique as head coach. He will man up on joe for being a puss and josh for being a knucklehead.

Buddy Grizzard

March 31st, 2011
2:57 am

“JJ Reddick is what Joe Johnson is after several minutes in the VIP room at Magic City.”

wtflol

TLH

March 31st, 2011
3:01 am

So uhh yea Jordan Crawford had 39 pts tonight… sigh. I really feel like speaking my mind against the Hawks organization but why waste my time.

PS,
Jeff Teague I’m still riding with you bruh. Keep your head high!

Buddy Grizzard

March 31st, 2011
3:06 am

“We think Teague can be a more complete player than Jordan Crawford is. We think Teague can play D, distribute the ball, and take it to the hole. But we can never be sure, because Larry Drew is a freaking idiot that refuses to play him.” – Ryan

Co-signed.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 31st, 2011
3:27 am

Jason Collins gets some well-deserved love from ESPN’s Daily Dime.

Worldwide Clyde

March 31st, 2011
3:34 am

When is football season?

Big Daddy

March 31st, 2011
4:14 am

Great win by the team. Seems to be the best team effort all year. Kudos to Jason Collins and Zaza’s play last night. Their defense, rebounding and timely scores kept us in the game. Since I blast him when he doesn’t play up to his potential, great big pat on the back to Josh for stepping up his game. LD, I am sure you have your reasons, but please explain to us why you keep putting Jamal in at the point? I can’t help but believe if JT had come in and made as many turnovers as Jamal did during the stretch where it was like 4 straight turnovers that he would have been on the bench never to approach the scorers table again. Go Hawks!!!!

Katie

March 31st, 2011
5:29 am

everyone, please, stop with the jordan crawford updates. Building up stats on a lottery team doesn’t mean anything, just ask Kevin Love. Would he have gotten all those double-doubles if he played for a better team? no way. the player FORMALLY known as jc2 will live up to his Hawks counterpart (jamal) and that’s probably it. Just jack up enough shots and the points will come, if you’re lucky…..

Katie

March 31st, 2011
5:37 am

The news just flashed the mug shot of the guy who attacked Nique…. lmao. His left eye was all puffed up. Nique’s still got it!!!

Dumbfounded

March 31st, 2011
7:12 am

Everyone was raving about Smoo’s 26 points, and four assists last night and no question Smoo’s “silky jump shot”‘ as Cunningham puts it – gag!! – was a huge factor.

I was at the game sitting behind Ryan Cameron. I’ve got to say that I continue to be bewildered by Several things, one of course Coach Drew’s refusal to play Teague in the third quarter when Nelson was having his way with KH and JC. (By the way is it just me or does Jameer Nelson palm the ball nearly every time he dribbles?)

The major thing that astounds me is where Smoo sets up in the half court set (20+ feet from the rim) where he may stand around in one place, set an occasional screen and frequently become our outside “threat” (double gag!). Most importantly he never, and I mean never, goes to the offensive glass. Here we are, still pretty much a team that relies on the jump shot, and our best rebounder sets up and remains 20 feet from the basket and shows no interest or inclination to crash the offensive boards.

So tell me: is this they way Coach Drew draws it up? Or is it just one more sign that Smoove is simply uncoachable? I really wish someone, Cunningham maybe, would explain this to me.

Never thought I would say this, but there are times I wish Woody was back. Yes Coach Drew has seemed to figure out a way to contain Orlando, but I just think he’s in way over his head.

Willie Coyote

March 31st, 2011
7:15 am

The Hawks always seem to be the only team that gets nothing from its draft picks. The problem is, the latest draft picks haven’t been bad picks. This coaching staff just will not let the guys play. Crawford is averaging close to 16 pts for the Wiz. Now, on a better team, he wouldn’t have as prominent a role but he definitely can play at this level. He would have been a cheaper option off the bench than Jamal with Teague being a cheaper option at the point than Kirk.

This coaching staff needs to go first and foremost. The other moves that are needed mean nothing as long as these guys are calling the shots.

Good win last night.

Willie Coyote

March 31st, 2011
7:21 am

Dumbfounded, I notice the same thing about him. When he wants to go to the offensive glass, he’s a monster on the boards; he just doesn’t seem to want to very frequently.

You’ll also notice that while he sets up 20+ feet from the rim, he doesn’t move without the ball. People will come to set back picks for him and he waves them through. That is why he’s always the outlet when the shot clock is draining. That is also why so many of his jumpers are “bad shots”; he doesn’t really work for the shots. If he were to move without the ball more, he would find that he would get more open looks that were actually in rhythm and his jumpers would be more efficient. He’s also notice he’d get more open layups, making the need to shoot jumpers moot.

O'Brien

March 31st, 2011
7:41 am

Good team win. No mention of Marvin’s good play off the bench?

Good game from Josh, and there were a couple times when he passed up an open jumper and decided to make the pass. And he went to the basket more. Thats what we need from him. Less jumpers, and attack the basket.

…the Hawks managed just 16 points in the fourth period with J.J. (1 for 5) and Jamal (1 for 4) unable to convert..

This is a problem the Hawks have had the entire season (and last year with Woody). 4th quarter scoring, which I think can be attributed to going mostly ISOs in the 4th.

And when will Jamal get on track? I always thought he should have been traded last offseason, but if he doesn’t step it up for the playoffs, his next contract is getting smaller and smaller (especially with a new CBA).

Anthony

March 31st, 2011
7:45 am

What kills me is jamal crawford and mo evans combine to score 60 forwashington last night. how smart are we. we wouldnt even let crawford hit the floor. stupid trade is what i say. just sayin.!