Hawks 99, Cavs 83

Greetings, all-

Hope you all enjoyed the game. Cleveland isn’t the true test we’re waiting for, but the Hawks won, won convincingly, won without Joe Johnson and won with strong individual performances, so that’s about all you can ask for tonight.

- Marvin Williams had one of the best games of his career – 31 points on just 14 shots, 10-for-11 from the free-throw line, seven rebounds. He had 13 in the fourth quarter. Larry Drew got him a lot of touches. He posted up a good bit and got his shots from the corner. Drew said prior to the game that he thought he was responding to coming off the bench because he got more touches that way and wanted to keep the rhythm going.

“I got going early and [Drew] kept coming to me, my teammates kept coming to me,” Williams said. “I had a big night, our team had a big night.”

He had two fairly significant baskets in the fourth – the Cavs were trying to rally and Williams hit a pair of 3-pointers from the corner in about a minute’s span that helped them maintain the lead. Perhaps not memorable in the aftermath, but noteworthy I thought how things got messy Saturday night against New Jersey.

Drew saw a similarity with the game against Philadelphia.

“We were in an identical situation, but this time we finished it off,” he said.

- Drew used eight players until less than two minutes remained, the five starters and Jeff Teague, Zaza Pachulia and Jamal Crawford. Drew said he “wanted to maintain the rhythm with the short rotation.” He also said he wanted Josh Smith or Al Horford on the floor at all times. They played a combined 79 minutes and will undoubtedly enjoy the day off they’re getting Monday before returning to practice Tuesday to prep for Orlando.

- Cleveland missed its first eight shots, fell behind 8-0 and it never felt like to me that they were going to be competitive. Coach Byron Scott said the team didn’t start with energy and intensity. They played in spurts, and they got 11 offensive rebounds, but it seemed pretty clear that they just don’t have the horses.

- The Hawks pushed the pace a good bit, more than the 12 fast-break points would indicate. “They got a lot of fast-break and easy points in transition and that kind of was the ballgame for us,” Cavaliers forward J.J. Hickson said.

- A strong all-around game for Smith. The shot selection wasn’t very selective, but you can’t argue with 18 rebounds (season high), eight assists and 13 points. He passed well out of the double team and ran the floor well, I thought. Williams at the 2 and Smith at the 3 poses some unusual matchup challenges.

- No real update on Johnson. Drew said he didn’t know when he’d be back. Sprains, obviously, can vary. Kirk Hinrich sprained his right thumb against Philadelphia and kept playing while Johnson’s knocked him out of the game.

“He’s a fast healer,” Williams said. “I don’t know what he does. I’ve got to figure out the trick. He’ll be back soon, I’m confident of that.”

- From the stats: Hawks shot 50.0 percent from the floor. Of their 74 shots, 30 were taken in the paint, compared to 45 out of 87 shots for Cleveland. Hawks had two offensive rebounds and four second-chance points, compared to 11 and 14 for Cleveland. Hawks had 29 assists on 37 baskets, their highest assist total in the past seven games.

- I spoke at length with Crawford before the game, some of which will find its way into a story for Tuesday’s paper about his season. He said some interesting things. He said he’s at times played passively this season, which I think has something to do with being a point guard in this offense. Whereas last season he was the guy coming off the bench to light it up, now he’s sometimes that guy, sometimes a facilitator and that, I think, has had an effect on his play. One thing you’ll find interesting. He reads the blog all the time and knows he’s getting killed.

“I can’t wait till your blog people read this,” he said.

- Some of you noted the crowd in the game thread. It was announced at 20,226, but there were a lot of empty seats. It was kind of dead, although the fact that Cleveland was never really into the game had something to do with it. But, as you noted, give the fans credit for sticking around. They deserve better than what they’re getting.

- You’ll be pleased to know that your coach doesn’t think all problems are solved.

“When teams get us down, we haven’t responded well,” he said. “That, to me, will be the ultimate test for us, when we withstand a run by teams of those caliber (like Orlando) and are able to push our way through it.”

- The last word from Horford: “I think we still have a ways (to go). At least we’re going in the right direction and it’s good to get a couple wins under our belt. We’ve been struggling but we just need to keep building off of this.”

180 comments Add your comment

Rufus1

March 28th, 2011
12:33 am

Marvin….

All Marvin did is what Joe is supposed to do every night…..Joe hasn’t been doing his job, so we look terrible.

Jae Evolution

March 28th, 2011
12:37 am

Lol @ the Crawford comment, I just wish LD would have Kirk/Joe start Teague/Jamal bench. Jamal can be a good passer/penetrator but he does his best work coming in and looking to score, I think having him try to run the offense doesn’t run well with him, he wants to come in and run freely and that’s when he is at his best.

slimjr

March 28th, 2011
12:46 am

Hey Marvin you like pick up games??? LOL

MsDee

March 28th, 2011
12:53 am

Hey Jamal, why wont you ask LD to play Teague along side you so that you COULD play your normal position in SG. PG has you doing too much!!

Worldwide Clyde

March 28th, 2011
12:55 am

Jamal Crawford what up mane!! Stop shooting all them jump shots and drive to the hole more.

FIRE LD

Najeh Davenpoop

March 28th, 2011
12:58 am

“Some of you noted the crowd in the game thread. It was announced at 20,226, but there were a lot of empty seats. It was kind of dead, although the fact that Cleveland was never really into the game had something to do with it. But, as you noted, give the fans credit for sticking around. They deserve better than what they’re getting.”

Yeah… they won’t be sticking around next year. Dan Gilbert made them re-up their season tickets prior to LeBron leaving, so all those people who signed up to see LeBron are seeing this mess this year. I fully expect their attendance to drop to 2002 levels next year.

Worldwide Clyde

March 28th, 2011
12:59 am

Hey Jamal Crawford. I got a FIRE LD t-shirt ready for you playa.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 28th, 2011
1:00 am

Jamal, it ain’t your fault LD uses you as a point guard. Ideally Kirk and Teague should be the only people on the team playing PG at any time of the game. But please for the love of God quit doing that thing where you half heartedly double people in the post and leave your man wide open on the perimeter. And for your own sake, don’t read any of vava74’s posts.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 28th, 2011
1:04 am

Jeff Teague Update
————-

Since the Bibby trade, the Hawks are:

4-2 when Teague gets 20+ minutes, 4-8 when he doesn’t
4-3 when Teague starts, 4-7 when he doesn’t
2-1 with the Teague/Kirk starting back court (including their largest margin of victory since the Bibby trade) and 6-9 with all other lineup combinations

Free Jeff Teague

Najeh Davenpoop

March 28th, 2011
1:06 am

I did think Teague in this game looked more comfortable playing alongside Jamal than he has at any point this season, especially in the second half.

Rufus1

March 28th, 2011
1:10 am

Jamal IDK…

You make 10.8mil a year too score and you are not doing your job….Joe makes 16mil a year and he isn’t doing his job, but that has nothing to do with you.

PS. You maybe the worst defender I have ever seen…atleast Bibby tried.

Not Sund

March 28th, 2011
1:13 am

It helps when Josh plays the right way.

Yeah they won a couple of games but I doubt that many of us feel any better about the possibility the Hawks having success in the playoffs.

So whatever to wins over bad teams, get some wins over some good teams these last few games of the season.

K.W.

March 28th, 2011
1:15 am

Wish Marvin would play like this more often, but I know that’s a reach. Hey Jamal when are you going to get out of this slump.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 28th, 2011
1:16 am

Great game for Marvin, obviously, but the one thing he did that I liked more than anything was try to get fouled when he got inside instead of trying to finish. He is not a good finisher in traffic, but when he goes in trying to draw contact instead of trying to finish he more often than not gets the call and the trip to the line. Maybe that strategy won’t work so great against better defensive teams, but when he gets post up opportunities he should continue to do that.

Booo!

March 28th, 2011
1:17 am

Didnt see the game. Anyhoo….

Free Jeff Teague 8-O

It was not a bad pick

March 28th, 2011
1:19 am

Marvin could do this every night

Booo!

March 28th, 2011
1:22 am

Jamal, you are 6′6 stop letting D-wade 6′3 treat you like a femal dog ang back you into the post all the time! Block that ish! He’s punked you the las couple of games…it’s like he purousefully goes agter you like you cant gouard him in the post. PUT THAT DIVA IN HIS PLACE.

Oh, and please get them stretch chords out and practice your lateral movement….you need to get better on D. Oh, and hit the weights…..D-wade……smh -_-

Booo!

March 28th, 2011
1:24 am

*”Jamal, you are 6′6 stop letting D-wade 6′3 treat you like a female dog and back you into the post all the time! Block that ish! He’s punked you the last couple of games…it’s like he purousefully goes after you like you can’t guard him in the post. PUT THAT DIVA IN HIS PLACE.”

Booo!

March 28th, 2011
1:25 am

smh…whatever -_-

Najeh Davenpoop

March 28th, 2011
1:32 am

To be honest I don’t even think it’s a good idea for players to read what we write on here — especially not players from a team like this one that struggles with mental toughness. It would be different if this team was composed of players like Derrick Rose or Kobe who use people hating on them as fuel to step their games up, but that’s not how this team operates. The last thing we need is for players to have their confidence affected because vava74 is using popcornmachine.com to show how much they suck or niremetal is posting jump shot updates about them. I hope Jamal just reads this blog for comic relief. Go play your game, Jamal. Just try a little harder on D, please?

The people who should be reading this blog are Michael Gearon and Rick Sund.

Worldwide Clyde

March 28th, 2011
1:35 am

Hey Jamal

I would go into a slump too if the Hawks didn’t want to extend my contract or trade me.

It was not a bad pick

March 28th, 2011
1:55 am

Jamal, you are great..Drew is an idiot!..Why in the hell would he be playing you at pg?..you are a scorer..Woody used to do the same thing last year and he did it with Flip ..The Hawks have suffered from bad coaching for years nowthey love playing guys out of position…We have 2 guys who can run the point, but instead, Larry”my son sucked” Drew plays you at the point..He also plays AL and Josh out of position, and has been holding Marvin back just like Woody did..If Drew is retained, you should leave..

Ryan

March 28th, 2011
2:11 am

I think on a bad team Marvin could average joes numbers. On this team he just doesn’t get touches

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MsDee

March 28th, 2011
4:44 am

I think its OK for players to read these blogs, esp, if its constructive!! We love our team and want the best out of our players and if we can give some sound advise to them, then they should listen since we ARE paying their salary heading to them games just to see blow-outs!!

Also, I wouldn’t care if the Hawks lost the rest of the regular season games if they can FOREVER move the ball and play the way they did today W/O Joe!! I could watch THAT team all day long. It was very fun to watch!!

Rev in Tampa

March 28th, 2011
5:06 am

“You’ll be pleased to know that your coach doesn’t think all problems are solved.”

“When teams get us down, we haven’t responded well,” he said. “That, to me, will be the ultimate test for us, when we withstand a run by teams of those caliber (like Orlando) and are able to push our way through it.”

More tired expressions from Drew without any specifics. Try harder, stay focused, we haven’t responded well…

Please! Tell us why the Hawks struggle in the fourth quarter. Tell us how you will slow down a run by the other team. Tell us how you will help the Hawks score over 20 points in the fourth.

tony

March 28th, 2011
5:10 am

“I can’t wait till your blog people read this,” he said.

- Some of you noted the crowd in the game thread. It was announced at 20,226, but there were a lot of empty seats. It was kind of dead, although the fact that Cleveland was never really into the game had something to do with it. But, as you noted, give the fans credit for sticking around. They deserve better than what they’re getting.

Cleveland fans don’t have JJ and JS on their team. Cleveland fans don’t have owners(ASG) only interested in their own welfare.

Jamal Crawford became my favorite player when he became a hawk but that’s no longer the case because his performance STINKS! If it’s because he wants another contract, then he need to be kicked out of the league. In my generation I was taught to do what my employer hired me to do, get too work 30 minutes beforehand and sweep the floors if there’s nothing else to do. I did exactly what my people taught me and I believe that’s what contribute to me owning my own business. Just do what you suppose to do then things will turn out right for you.

These players today are lazy and want to control the very people who gives them the opportunity to make a good living. Laziness and greed will eventually destroy this industry because the devil is behind their thinking.

Gator

March 28th, 2011
7:04 am

I read the blog after each game, find most comments interesting/entertaining
If they affect a players psyche, he should probably be doing something else.

O'Brien

March 28th, 2011
7:35 am

Happy for the win. We dominated like we should. Good games by Josh, Al and Marvin.

Najeh,

…to get fouled when he got inside instead of trying to finish. He is not a good finisher in traffic, but when he goes in trying to draw contact instead of trying to finish he more often than not gets the call and the trip to the line. .

Soometimes I get frustrated with ZaZa, because he does the same thing. Rather than going up stong, he tries to draw a foul. Maybe he can learn from Marvin.

I assume Jamal already knows that he is a bad defender. Other than that, LD deserves most of the blame for his play (imo). LD needs to limit Jamal’s minutes to 24 mpg (unless he is on fire), and LD should never play him at backup PG.

The bad news is with LD staying with a short rotation, look for Jamal at the backup PG spot more often.

I have a conspiracy theory. LD is trying to bring down Jamal’s market value, so the Hawks can have a better chance of resigning him :twisted:

Ole Hawk's Fan

March 28th, 2011
7:38 am

LD ……………. why in The Hell with Teague in THE GAME with JC1………………JC1 is playing PG? You(LD) is such a-hole and DON’T Have a CLUE about this team. JC1 isn’t a PG……………NOT NOW and WILL NOT BE ONE IN THE FUTURE! I was pulling for you when your HIRE was annouced but I see you are The Worst Coach The Hawks have HAD in It’s Atlanta Franchise History. I thought Weiss was a Bad Hire but you make Coach Weiss coaching this Franchise seems like he was Chuch Dailey compared to your comprehense of Putting The Players in The Best Position To Help This Team WIN. Not having a second Unit , shows how inept YOU ARE AS A NBA COACH. The game wednesday against Orlando will show once again as it has this season, how over whelm You are as This Franchise Coach! Orlando has a small point guard who is quick but you won’t start Teague and will try tp make Kirk guard him. Orlando will show how this job is Too Much For you. A SMART would Start Jeff and Kirt in The Back Court with Kirt the shooting guard. Let Jeff Teague get his minutes and don’t JERK HIM OUT ON THE FIRST MISTAKE HE MAKES. HE IS LOOKING OVER HIS SHOULDER is why he is so tentative in his playing. My LAST COMMENT as JeJe states on here…………………….”FIRE LD…………..FIRE ASG and FIRE SUND!

jgsbirds

March 28th, 2011
7:43 am

good win–still some dumb things going on! like drew calling a :20 timeout to draw up a play before the end of the 3rd only to have the hawks not get the freaking shot off before the shot clock ran out. the first play of the 3rd qtr a non-forced turnover–and i still see refusal by josh to give the ball to hinrich after rebounds or in bounds plays.

i’ll be there with a group of high school kids on wednesday vs magic..i hope i don’t have to make them cover their eyes…it could get ugly quickly–but i hope we continue to move the ball on offense like the last two games and if we get behind by 20–don’t just throw in the towell!

tremaine

March 28th, 2011
7:58 am

Jamal plays better with Hinrich. Teague plays better with the starters (because they can actually catch a pass and offensive rebound when he get to the basket). Last night game only added to why I think Marvin should come off the bench. When all the starters are healthy he is the 4th or 5th option. Coming off the bench he would be the 1st or 2nd option like last night.

Trojan

March 28th, 2011
7:59 am

Jamal has as much ability as anyone. He needs to be used correctly.

Dunkus Colossus Barkley

March 28th, 2011
8:03 am

The Hawks beat up on the Cavs & Bobcats but when they play playoff-bound teams they get beat by 15 to 30 points. That equals an early first round playoff exit. This team has not played well since the Bibby trade. JJ disappears in games or stays hurt. None of the Hawks are consistent players. Marvin & J.Smith might score 30 points one game each then 5 points each the next night. The good teams have consistent scorers EVERY night.

Dunkus Colossus Barkley

March 28th, 2011
8:07 am

They will get beat by 15 or more points against the Magic. They can’t beat the Heat,Celtics,Bulls,Magic,Lakers,Spurs,Mavericks,Blazers if their lives depended on it…

Dunkus Colossus Barkley

March 28th, 2011
8:09 am

Teague could leave the Hawks and become a 20 point 10 assist PG for another team instantly.

slimjr

March 28th, 2011
8:21 am

Orlando in 5…sigh……..YAWN……………….

dapluva!

March 28th, 2011
8:34 am

jamal just play your game bruh yall are too good to be messing up plays like you guys do aye man also defense wins games try a little harder on defense i know you are paid to score but if you guys keep it up people are going to start to question the league cause its no way you guys are that talented and play half hearted its no way the league is rigged and is only entertainment prove me wrong jamal

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 28th, 2011
8:42 am

Worldwide Clyde

March 28th, 2011
12:59 am

Hey Jamal Crawford. I got a FIRE LD t-shirt ready for you playa.

………

LOL.

Jimmy Jam

March 28th, 2011
8:50 am

The Hawks are screwing up my plan with all this winning. They need to lose and drop to 6th in the east so Boston, or Miami can come here for two games. I need to sell my tickets ya know, now get with it boys.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 28th, 2011
8:50 am

JC how come yall boys dont wanna take it strong to the basket and get to the line??? lol yall boys rather kick it back out to Smoove for a long jumper or brick floaters (Joe, Teague mainly). Quit settling for jumpers and be more focused on D.

The fact that SportSouth keeps showing “At Home w/ Marvin Williams” and nothing for the rest of yall should inspire the team.

J from the A

March 28th, 2011
9:02 am

During the in-game thread, I was really ragging Teague for his performance early on. I do have to admit that he looked a little better later in the game.

All I know is there is a legit reason why Teague hasn’t been getting consistent minutes this season (and I have pointed out specifics numerous times), but recently I have also been willing to jump on the “give Teague consistent rotational minutes” bandwagon. I’ll stay on this bandwagon for now. ;)

So, I say let’s see if we can get Teague rolling before playoff times. If he can consistently provide 8-12 quality minutes off the bench, that should be a huge plus for the Hawks. If he cannot … well, the Hawks have problems either way.

The Game Has Changed

March 28th, 2011
9:09 am

@Jimmy-Sorry that we are going to let you down. But, we have the 5th seed locked down.

The Game Has Changed

March 28th, 2011
9:11 am

@Mac-Town-I always wondered myself why they always show Marvin at home. Not only is it boring its old. They could show other players as well.

Man Man

March 28th, 2011
9:31 am

Marvin needs more touches

cp

March 28th, 2011
9:31 am

Jamal seems like a good dude but I think most of his problems are due to trying to play pg. I wish LD would just let him score and if he’s cold then sit him. Jamal shake off whatever is bothering you and play your game.

Astro Joe

March 28th, 2011
9:47 am

Najeh, in your ongoing Teague update… it helps that all but one of those wins (I think) were against losing teams while I’m pretty sure that all of the losses (or at least teh vast majority) were against winning teams. Or said differently, I don’t think that there is a relationship between Teague playing and the Hawks winning, the far greater relationship is the Hawks beat bad teams and lose to good ones.

After looking very pedestrian against the Nets, he played well against the Cavs.

Section 303

March 28th, 2011
9:50 am

I like how Michael mentions that Jamal Crawford reads the blog so everyone feels the need to either mention him or directly address him in their posts…..

My thoughts are the same as most. This game (and Saturday’s, too) prove nothing. Let’s see these guys actually compete against a team that is not in the tank (notice I said compete. We all know they cannot actually beat anyone worth a d@mn).

O'Brien

March 28th, 2011
10:06 am

Section 303,

How did you feel about Josh’s shot selection last night?

J from the A,

The problem for the Hawks is they dont have a backup PG. Jamal plays the role now (but struggles when he does), and I dont think we can afford to resign him next season. Therefore, we need to find out if Teague is the answer or not. Because if he isnt, then this offseason, our GM needs to bring in a backup PG to fill that role.

Section 303

March 28th, 2011
10:10 am

O’Brien, I thought he took too many jumpers. He attacked the rim better, but still too many jumpers. I thought the ‘6er game and Saturday’s game were his best, in terms of shot selection.

He’s like the rest of the team….let’s see him play smart/well against a quality team before we plant a flag.

Astro Joe

March 28th, 2011
10:20 am

When you place the Hawks’ record under the microscope, you mostly see ugliness. The one hope is that maybe (maybe), Orlando is comparably dysfunctional this season. But so far, we have feasted on the junior varsity teams (75% of our wins) while getting blown out in most of our losses (56% of our losses by 10+ points). And we’ve won fewer games against winning teams than the Clippers. That’s right, the Clippers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/type/expanded

drmaryb (*_-)

March 28th, 2011
10:34 am

The Heat set a record for three 30 pt scorers in 50 years.
Bibby was 5/7 for 14, but they didn’t play a lick of defense.
I guess they wanted to show their offensive power of their big three?

In the playoffs, that ain’t gonna’ happen Captain. But, it was a cute little game for the big three’s confidence level, I guess. Just cute.

O’Brien, Najeh, where you impressed with The Heat performance last night? I wasn’t, because they didn’t pass the ball to anyone else, they are not gonna’ win those 6 Titles they claim playing 3 on 5 + a playoff bench anytime this century.

Orlando and Boston have down-sized their teams. Boston in the post, Orlando in the post and perimeter. I like the Magic match upped against a healthy Hawks team, clicking on all cylinders. When Dwight gets into foul trouble, we should be fine. But, we got to go at Dwight from start to finish for 7 games straight.

Can we do that?

Geemack

March 28th, 2011
10:49 am

Yawnnnnn! Boorrring! We beat the Cavs

Najeh Davenpoop

March 28th, 2011
10:53 am

“Soometimes I get frustrated with ZaZa, because he does the same thing. Rather than going up stong, he tries to draw a foul. Maybe he can learn from Marvin.”

The problem with Zaza though is that he doesn’t go strong. He tries to draw contact by pump faking instead of just being aggressive, initiating the action, and making the defense react to him instead of the other way around.

Geemack

March 28th, 2011
11:03 am

Lets see what the Hawks do with Boston and Orlando coming to town.

The Game Has Changed

March 28th, 2011
11:04 am

@Najeh-ZaZa is garbage. He serves no purpose. And know one can learn anything from big butt Marvin.

The Game Has Changed

March 28th, 2011
11:05 am

@Worldwide Clyde-Go ahead and get use to LD because he will be here a couple more years.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 28th, 2011
11:13 am

If Al and Za are boxing out so Josh can swoop in and get the rebounds,
Is that a bad thing? I mean, is that a fundamental part of rebounding?
Gang rebounding in the post I know typically involves the guards too.

But Josh got 18 boards last night, I was just wondering how did he get all those boards?

Astro Joe

March 28th, 2011
11:17 am

doc mary, what you’re describing is way too advanced for some. They would prefer to believe that Josh simply jumped 11 feet in the air and snatched all of those rebounds before they would acknowledge that sometimes the linebacker makes big plays because the DT is occupying the guard & center. Or said differently, Collins and Zaza held position while Josh used his athleticism to collect the rebound.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 28th, 2011
11:37 am

“in your ongoing Teague update… it helps that all but one of those wins (I think) were against losing teams while I’m pretty sure that all of the losses (or at least teh vast majority) were against winning teams.”

To an extent, sure. But Portland is a good team, and the Hawks beat them comfortably with Teague playing 44 minutes. Milwaukee is not a good team but they are an elite defensive team, and the Hawks hung a higher point total and margin of victory on them than they have on anyone else since the trade. Golden State is not a good team but they are a good offensive team, and the Hawks with Teague playing 25 minutes held them to their 3rd lowest point total of the season. And considering how awful the Knicks have looked since drubbing the Hawks in Philips Arena (in a game where Teague played only 11 minutes) I don’t think the quality of opponent has that much to do with the Hawks’ struggles in games where Teague hasn’t gotten minutes.

The advanced stat-heads pretty much universally agree that margin of victory matters in the NBA — this is why, for example, the Hawks have rated so low all season on Hollinger’s power rankings. The Hawks for the season outscore their opponents by less than one point per game; in the six games Teague has played 20+ minutes since the trade, they have outscored their opponents by close to 7 points per game. And in the four wins in that stretch, the Hawks average margin of victory is 16 points.

“Or said differently, I don’t think that there is a relationship between Teague playing and the Hawks winning,”

Maybe, but that’s not the point I’m trying to make with my Teague updates. Pretty much since Teague was drafted, the chorus from the anti-Teagueites has been that a winning team can’t set aside rotation minutes for a developmental player. My point is that Teague has proven and continues to prove that he can play a steady role in the rotation for this team without costing them wins, and it is possible that he may actually increase the team’s likelihood of winning. Far from being a developmental project, he is a solid enough contributor right now that he can help this team if he is given a steady role in the rotation.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 28th, 2011
11:44 am

Astro Joe

Yeah, that football analogy is perfect. I was thinking those 18 boards were a result of team effort. Playing off each other in the post.
Sort of like a three man attack down there. Those boys all together seemed to be in a rhythm.

Nice analogy. I thought that was what I was seeing.
Regardless of the opponent, I liked the style of team plays last night.
I hope they can bottle some of that for the remainder of this season and more importantly, the play offs.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 28th, 2011
11:49 am

“ZaZa is garbage. He serves no purpose.”

For the most part, yes. But even as one of his most vocal critics, I can say he has played a lot better since that game at Portland where he went all Kevin Love in the first half. He’s still a horrible off the ball defender and isn’t consistent enough to be the first big man off the bench for a playoff team, but considering what we have seen from him over the last couple of years I’ll take what he’s giving the Hawks now.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 28th, 2011
11:51 am

Najeh

Yeah, what you said. Mm mmmh … I agree 100, re: Teague.

Buddy Grizzard

March 28th, 2011
11:54 am

Here’s the link and full text of NY Daily News’ Mitch Lawrence regarding Larry Drew’s game preparation and leadership:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/03/26/2011-03-26_if_donnie_walsh_is_let_go_by_knicks_dont_be_shocked_to_see_him_back_in_indiana_i.html?page=1

The Hawks, losers of 14 of 21 games entering this weekend and with eight home losses since Feb. 8, are on the fast-track to getting swept out of the playoffs. What’s the problem? One veteran player called rookie head coach Larry Drew’s preparation and attention to detail “a (bleeping) joke.” Drew also hasn’t been able to rein in Josh Smith and get him to stop jacking up jumpers.

There’s an obvious leadership void and the Hawks have been getting nothing on that front from Joe Johnson, even after they gave him close to $120 million last summer. The Hawks have prided themselves on being one of the top home teams, losing only seven times last season, after going 31-10 the year before. Already, they’ve lost 15 games in Philips Arena. Since their swoon began last month, the alarming home losses include routs by 34 points against the Sixers; 13 by the Knicks; 14 by the Lakers; 15 by the Nuggets; 21 by the Heat and 33 this past week by the Bulls. Perhaps most ominously for Drew: The Hawks have spent too many games not fighting or playing hard.

My comments about the leadership void on the Atlanta Hawks, March 19th, 2011
2:47 am:

“I started off as an LD supporter, but the more I saw the players were not listening to him, the more I wondered why. So I did a little digging, and came to the conclusion that LD Sr. simply is not a leader.”

LOL@MC getting mad at Mitch Lawrence for stepping on his beat. For one thing, he never said a “veteran HAWKS player” made these comments, just a veteran player. It could have been Bibby or Mo Evans. Way to leap to LD’s defense though.

JeJe

March 28th, 2011
12:02 pm

Teague looked horrendous vs. NJN. Maybe that’s how he looks in practice. Looks like he needs to get burn with the starters to produce

FIRE LD
FIRE JOE
FIRE WOODY

JOSH HAS BEEN SOLID LATELY

Buddy Grizzard

March 28th, 2011
12:04 pm

“Far from being a developmental project, he is a solid enough contributor right now that he can help this team if he is given a steady role in the rotation.” – Poop

Spot on. Teague proven that he deserves at least a consistent bench role. By playing him sporadic minutes and denying him a consistent role for this team, LD is actually sabotaging the Hawks. He is directly contributing to the Hawks’ under-performance with poor coaching.

slimjr

March 28th, 2011
12:08 pm

“Lets see what the Hawks do with Boston and Orlando coming to town”

0-2!!!!!!!! Next…………………………

JeJe

March 28th, 2011
12:17 pm

Trojan

March 28th, 2011
12:17 pm

Does anyone on this blog have confience in LD?

slimjr

March 28th, 2011
12:21 pm

“One veteran player called rookie head coach Larry Drew’s preparation and attention to detail “a (bleeping) joke.” Drew also hasn’t been able to rein in Josh Smith and get him to stop jacking up jumpers.”

Drew you cannot fool us blogger’s but WTF????????????????? The truth hurts……Have lost 14 of 21, nice way to back into the playoffs????? NOT………………

Boy those Thunder Cats are ROLLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What an impressive squad..Anybody remember the last time the Hawks beat them?? About 4 years ago????????????????WTF??????????????

Shop Josh
Shop Marvin
Jamal run dont walk
LD run
Sund run, GM 101 never hire the assistant coach
The Bench waive em

Worldwide Clyde

March 28th, 2011
12:24 pm

If Teague was starting he would be an All-Star

FIRE LD

JeJe

March 28th, 2011
12:30 pm

JOSH IS NOT THE PROBLEM. HE’S ONE OF THE ONLY GUYS ON THIS PATHETIC “TEAM” ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING LATELY. HE HAS MADE SOME JUMPSHOTS AND ATTACKED THE HOOP LAST NIGHT

THE ONLY TIMES MARVIN EVER STEPS UP ARE WHEN HE COMES OFF THE BENCH (SOMETIMES) AND WHEN A MAJOR PLAYER IS OUT

WE NEED TO KEEP HIM ACTIVE ON OFFENSE

OH WAIT, THAT’S LD’S JOB BUT HIS “MOTION OFFENSE” IS A JOKE

tom

March 28th, 2011
12:35 pm

who owned the atlanta hawks before the ASG?

ICECOLD

March 28th, 2011
12:40 pm

Jamal…

Just sign with us next year…. they are going to need u again… tell them u are only going to sign if they get a true center…. force them to wamt to be the best… somebody is willing to come from a losing team to be the final peace for a championship run….

Marvin Williams can be like lamar odem off the bench, next year …

That’s all. Hit me up.. we can go to magic ,

sam'l

March 28th, 2011
12:53 pm

So, when we win against New Jersey and Cleveland, all of a sudden the team is healed? Then, when we get slaughtered by 30 or 40 points by a good team or an up and coming team who plays hard throughout the entire game, the players are all demons from Hell who should be traded?

I think this collective blog suffers from short-term memory loss. There is a level of complexity you can throw at the Hawks and if it is high enough, the team does not have the capacity to overcome it….(This could be as low as running two screens on the same play). The good teams have it; the bad teams don’t…..

Do you not understand this?

Still waiting from some informed blog master or columnist to hear about the impending Hawks sale….

Nunna!!

March 28th, 2011
1:07 pm

Jamaal i’ve been screaming for u to play the SG all year..
The only thing u need to do is come off the bench and look for your shot,NOT,having u to bring the ball up.
Now,if u were able to do so and maintain your scoring and getting hella assists then i would not complain but it seems like u are being taking out of what u do best.
And i got a few questions for u..I always do this..

1.Have u ever went under a name commented on here whether it was good or bad?
2.Who is your favorite blogger on here?
3.Who is the blogger dat u don’t give an “ish” about lol..
4.Who on here speaks more of the truth about what is going on or what should be done?
5.Are we wrong on our opinions of any of your team mates?(if u can answer dat one)..
5a. Who else besides u read this blog?
6.Lastly,is there anything that u would like for us to know? Anything u want to say specifically to us,the ajc bloggers?

Give Ken your answers..
Thanks

Rod from College Park

March 28th, 2011
1:11 pm

Marvin played well last night. I would like to apologize to him for saying that he would not be an above average D league player, because that Gee cat for Cleveland was tearing up the D-league, and Marvin abused him last night. Now lets see if he can continue to play at a high level against NBA level players. As a have said for the last 3 years, I won’t hold my breath.

Najeh,

That Marvin interview is on 680 the fan’s website under audio vault, and under the Rude Awakening.

aytunstopable

March 28th, 2011
1:38 pm

Man come on yall. Who cares about who they beat they just needed a couple of wins. May I remind yall the Heat were struggling and then they started beating bad teams and got on a roll of confidence and now look at them. they are ballin. Hopefully being able to win these two games will give them confidence moving as we have Orlando and Boston coming in. And I swear if they win these two that will give them very good momentum in the playoffs

Slimjr

March 28th, 2011
1:38 pm

what did Marvin put up in that 40 something pt loss if it wasnt for JT breakout in the 4th the other night against Chicago????

Next…………………Yawn………..

LD I would not be surprised if the Hawks brought you back as HC! LOL…

Slimjr

March 28th, 2011
1:39 pm

Keep it up Marvin, so your stock keeps rising…..Yeah…………….

drmaryb (*_-)

March 28th, 2011
2:08 pm

Hot Rod!

I was in the car when Marvin gave that interview on 680.
I only caught the tail end and no, he wasn’t sniffing LeBron’s jock,
but as a fierce competitor myself, I can’t stand to hear a player from my team praising another team’s player in any way, shape or form.

Star-Gazing is yucky to me! I’d rather hear him praise himself or his own teammate. Throw down the gauntlet and draw a line in the sand!
Damn LeBron! Him and Wade/Bosh was clowning us from the bench!

Tell Buck and Kincade, “don’t ask me about them punks! Next time they come here, I’m gonna’ personally try to take his big azz head off in my paint!”. That’s all I want to hear about LeBron on 680 The Fan!

Child Please, talking about he is a very good player, he got game!
Bump that noise. So I was more irritated by what he didn’t say versus what he did say!

I’m just saying, I ain’t got no love, praise or kind words for the Heat.
It’s bad enough our fans are chanting MVP and the owners selling his Jersey and pumping game tickets when he comes here!

The old school wouldn’t hear of it, these players are not throw backs!
MJ, Kobe and LeBron never praised the Hawks either, for that matter.

That was my point !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rod from College Park

March 28th, 2011
2:22 pm

drmaryb,

I totally agree with you. I was raised the exact same way. My brother or cousin could be on the opposing team, and they will get no credit from me. I guess these young cats were not raised that way.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 28th, 2011
2:36 pm

Oh Yeah!

And fist bumping and hugging before and after a game peeves me off too! I hate that ISH! I don’t care what they do in the tunnel, locker rooms and parking lots, but I don’t care to see all that brotherly love on my flat screen.

Two play off seasons ago, when the Magic whupped the Cavaliers?
LeBron stormed off the court and refused to lolly gag with the “winning”
(In Charlie Sheen’s voice), Magic players!

Awwh man! The media was all over that drama! LeBron was unsportsman like, blah blah … Whatever, LeBron did the right thing.
He was feeling the agony of defeat, not the thrill of victory!

That’s just human nature, raw and real is how drmaryb likes it.
I can’t stand fake azz, giggling, phony and soft people – smiling in my face.

ant banks

March 28th, 2011
3:10 pm

it was reported that LD shortend the bench to 7players the other night. said he wanted to send a message when the bench comes out lethargic.

WHAT HAPPS WHEN THE STARTERS COME OUT LETHARGIC? DO YOU EVER SIT THEM?

smitty derf

March 28th, 2011
3:19 pm

Looking at the stats in today’s AJC, does anybody want to face the fact that Josh Smith has at least 30 more turnovers and 30 more fouls than any other player on the Hawks? what does that say about his contribution and value despite all the “highlight ” blocks and even disregarding his less than 30 % on 3 point shots, where he is 4th on the team in attempts? will anyone face that the “emperor has no clothes”?

Geemack

March 28th, 2011
3:20 pm

drmaryb (*_-)

Professional pride! That’s why I love a player like Kobe.

It’s bee almost 6 years since Nash won back to back MVP’s and eliminated the Lakers in the first round and Kobe’s still pissed.

Everytime he plays the Suns it’s personal.

Geemack

March 28th, 2011
3:23 pm

ant banks

WHAT HAPPS WHEN THE STARTERS COME OUT LETHARGIC?

He plays them 45 mins. so they can get into a rhythm. Lol.

Geemack

March 28th, 2011
3:26 pm

smitty derf

That’s coaching. When you keep rewarding a player for continuing to make plays that’s detrimental to the team. That’s a coaching issue.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 28th, 2011
3:31 pm

Geemack

Spot on. That’s all I’m saying … Be like Mike!

Easy Dunker

March 28th, 2011
3:36 pm

I wished Joe Johnson read the blogs too then he would know that we all think he ain’t worth near the money he gets paid. He is getting D.Wade,Carmelo,Pierce,Kobe type money and is playing like a Jermaine O’Neal. If Marvin can shoot at a high percentage then run the offense thru him. I think JJ just wants D.Wade money but doesn’t want to be counted on as the top scorer for the Hawks.

Jamaal, why do ya’ll beat up the bad teams then get embarassed (even at home) by the good teams every night ?

Grandad

March 28th, 2011
3:36 pm

Mary Ellen: [with respect for Lewis Grizzard]

Once upon a time;
there was a revival at an old southern church.
The preacher stirrred the congregation into a frenzy.
“tell it all brother tell it all”
one man jumped up and confessed;
“preacher, I’m bad to drank me some whiskey”
and the preacher shouted “tell it all brother tell it all”
another fella stood up and said ” I’m bad to gamble”
again the preacher said “tell it all brother tell it all”
the next man hollered out ” I stole a hawg from my neighbor”
preacher said; “tell it all brother tell it all”
Then this on old guy jumps up on the pew and yells;
” I Had Sex With A Goat ! ”
The preacher looks at the old feller and said:
” Damn brother I don’t know if I would `of told that ! ”

Mary Ellen;
Tell it all sister, tell it all !

Easy Dunker

March 28th, 2011
3:37 pm

Hawks remind of a bully. They beat the little guys then face someone tougher than them and fold like a tent in a tornado…

drmaryb (*_-)

March 28th, 2011
3:46 pm

“Easy Dunker

I wished Joe Johnson read the blogs too then he would know that we all think he ain’t worth near the money he gets paid.”
_____________________

I’ll take a stab at this one: Sir, I seriously doubt Mr. Johnson could give a rats tail what you think about anything at all. Much less his bank account.

Perhaps you can make a few calls and figure out where ASKG got the money to pay Mr. Johnson (it sure ain’t coming from the fans). Better yet, figure out how much ASKG is making over the next 6 years.

That should give you something to do. Keep yourself busy.
Speaking of, I gotta’ go pay some bills now.

Later Fellas, its been fun!

Grandad

March 28th, 2011
3:48 pm

smitty derf: [r.e. Josh Smith]

“less than 30 % on 3 point shots”

INCORRECT
over 32% from 3 pt range.
over 47% overall shooting %
most of his jumpers are inside 3 pt range.

He has more assts than TOs
over 1 blk per game,
contributes to the fouls + he plays hard on defense.
he covers alot of bad def by teammates formerly Bibby.

Bad stat data -> pick another target
Learn something about the game before you attack someone.

Geemack

March 28th, 2011
4:05 pm

Everybody that’s bashing JJ.

Remember this team was a bottom feeder before JJ.

I don’t like the contract either. I think the Hawks grossly overpaid, but this team is better with him than without him.

The Hawks biggest challenge is they’ve failed to surround him comparable talent.

It’s not JJ’s fault that the Hawks have drafted 6′ 7″ – 6″ 9′ forward 9 of the last 10 NBA drafts.

With the exceptions being Teague and Pau Gasol whom they traded for a 6′ 9 forward Shereef.

BTW I’m only counting their first picks in those draft.

The Truth

March 28th, 2011
4:13 pm

At this point, the Hawks regular season is officially over since they have secured the 5th seed position (partially by default and partially with a win over subpar NJ). LD SHOULD be in the mode of preparing his team for the playoff against Orlando and NOT padding his victories for his own personal job security. So why isn’t Collins getting more than 13 minutes since he will likely be the one tangling with Dwight Howard in the playoffs? Why is Al Horford who played 42 minutes in NJ game, still played nearly 40 minutes against the Cavs in a meaningless game? Since his quickness is vital to him because he’s an undersize center, it is important for Al to be well rested to maintain his “quick-feet” edge over his opponent. Why isn’t Damien getting more minutes since his intensity will also be important against Orlando? In short, LD is wearing his thoroughbreds out for the sake of saving his job.

There are two factors to determine a successful season for the Hawks:

1) Meet or exceed the win totals of last season
2) Improve their playoff performance in the second round

Scratch #1 as they will fail to win 53 games this season. This will make the Hawks playoff performance even more crucial for LD. Not only will they have to overcome a tough first round opponent with Orlando, but somehow show their readiness for primetime in the second round. Based on the Hawks recent performances excluding their last 2 wins against subpar teams, it would seem this feat will be impossible to accomplish.

Fortunately for the Hawks and LD, that is why they play the game. So that “The Truth” will be brought to light.

We Shall See

Geemack

March 28th, 2011
4:25 pm

Enter your comments here

smitty derf

March 28th, 2011
4:34 pm

Grandad

You’re defending 47/146 on threes? Why is he allowed to 146 3’s. most of his makes have to be inside the line. he does lead n steals and blocks. he is a superb athlete. he does have 231 assists(only 4th on the team) But, he has 80+ more turnovers than the point guard. You admire and defend him but he is part of the major weakness of this team except when they play losing teams.

doc

March 28th, 2011
4:40 pm

LD will pad his record as much as he possibly can in the silly season time of the nba. others do it too i imagine, take no prisoners in the guise of ready the troops.

Geemack

March 28th, 2011
5:10 pm

The Truth

It’s not like the Hawks are playing for a title, or deep playoff run.

The way these guys have taken off all season, resting them should be the last thing on LD’s mind.

They’ve had about 13 blowouts, this season where they’ve mailed it in from the tip off.

That was there rest period. Desides Philly is still within striking distance of the Hawks.

Geemack

March 28th, 2011
5:11 pm

besides not “desides”

Sautee

March 28th, 2011
5:14 pm

Rod from CP,

Way to go buddy. You stepped up and gave a mea culpa on your earlier criticism of Marvin’s performance.

That’s keepin’ it real, big time, Rod.

Sautee

March 28th, 2011
5:28 pm

smitty derf,

Yes Josh makes too many turnovers. That said, he’s not only 4th on the team in assists, but he’s 4th in assists in the LEAGUE among PFs behind only Gasol, Diaw, and B. Griffin.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Assists.jsp?league=00&season=22010&conf=OVERALL&position=2&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

That OBVIOUSLY shows that he has a talent for passing the ball. The Hawks would be foolish to ask him not to pass, wouldn’t they? I mean why waste an asset that is 4th in the league at his position??

As far as the turnovers go, the three players who lead the Hawks in turnovers are the three who handle the ball most. JJ, Jamal and Josh. Why wouldn’t you expect those three to have a higher TO total?

The best answer is for Josh to curb his worst impulses on the court. That means better shot selection, and better judgement on passes. And less yapping to the refs.

Sautee

March 28th, 2011
5:37 pm

Jamal Crawford,

If you read this, please take it to heart. We need you to move more without the ball. You are by far our best “catch and shoot” perimeter player, but you seem to stand and wait for the ball to be given to you far too often. In this offense (assuming you guys actually run it, lol) you could be like Rip Hamilton running curls into the lane ALL DAY AND NIGHT.

You are perfect for that role, if you’ll just MOVE without the ball. And when you cut, CUT HARD, so it moves the defense.

Why LD hasn’t used you this way is a total mystery to me. And probably to him as well, LOL.

doc

March 28th, 2011
5:53 pm

sautee, i dont dislike his passing but his dribbling up the court too much with the basketball. that too is not a judgment thing as much as he needs to just stop doing for the most part. if he did the to’s would drop.

Sautee

March 28th, 2011
6:00 pm

doc,

Yes indeed!

But how did you like that length of the court pass to Horford right in stride for a layup? You gotta admit it was effective, if ill-advised.

Josh is our ultimate risk vs. reward player. We all tend to b!tch when the risk is outrunning the reward. But when it works we say wow.

Astro Joe

March 28th, 2011
6:18 pm

Najeh, so is the point that playing Teague makes no difference in the team’s success/failure? Isn’t that a double-edged sword?

Sautee

March 28th, 2011
6:48 pm

AJ,

LOL, we have an entire TEAM full of double-edged swords.

doc

March 28th, 2011
6:55 pm

i dont think he had to dribble on that one sautee. that is when i get frustrated with him. hinrich and teague if he grows up should get the ball more than bibby who got disinterested in running shortly after he got here. cant remember him tossing too many ally oops lately

drmaryb (*_-)

March 28th, 2011
7:10 pm

The Firing Squad!

This post is for:

Worldwide Clyde
JeJe

And, all the other non-basketball players who know so much about
Mr. Naismith’s lovely game, but has never played, dunked nor coached one game in their lives.

To the blogger who has only one purpose in blogging: to increase the unemployment percentages in America, because the all time high of 10% isn’t nearly high enough.
_________________________

“Fisher is president of the NBA players association, but Jackson doesn’t see him becoming a head coach one day. “I don’t think Fish is stupid enough to do it,” he said dryly. “He’s probably smarter than that.”
- Los Angeles Times -
_____________________

Great Coaches don’t take bad jobs. I don’t know what coach you two guys want to come here? Chances are they won’t do it unless they get the GM job too, but telling a millionaire to do something is the equivalent of telling your 16 year old daughter she can’t have a boyfriend, because she is too young. Good luck with that. By this time next week, she’ll not only have an unemployed boyfriend, she’ll probably be knocked up too.
__________________

Next to being a parent, coaching an NBA team is probably the next most difficult job there is.

I’m just saying.

J from the A

March 28th, 2011
7:11 pm

From the nba.com Power rankings:

Plus-minus Stud: Luol Deng (CHIA) was a plus-76 in four games last week.
Plus-minus Dud: Jordan Crawford (WAS) was a minus-72 in four games last week.

Slimjr

March 28th, 2011
7:11 pm

“it was reported that LD shortend the bench to 7players the other night. said he wanted to send a message when the bench comes out lethargic. ”

LD you done lost your marbles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Josh will never get it!!!!!!!!!!! Bye Josh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marvin will turn into Mr Marshmellow again this week..Here come the playoffs teams to be up on the Atlanta Hawks………………..Yawn……………

Slimjr

March 28th, 2011
7:16 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Say it drmaryb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL Its a shootout at the okay phillips(coral) people…………LOL

Phil would never work for these dysfunctional Hawks. 43 years of futility,Garbage………………………..

Slimjr

March 28th, 2011
7:19 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
{beat up}. I should refrain from drinking a cold beverage while typing….LOL……

Slimjr

March 28th, 2011
7:21 pm

Wow the playoffs start in Two WEEKS!!!!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

drmaryb (*_-)

March 28th, 2011
7:25 pm

J from the A

With th risk of sounding ignorant. I’m embarrassed to say that IDK what
that +/- stat means. What does that tell us about a player.
I assume + is good and – is bad, beyond that, I’m lost.

I’ll wait for any response whatsoever, thanks.

The Game Has Changed

March 28th, 2011
7:39 pm

Lets go Hawks. Lets get it together before the playoffs. Im behind you guys 100%.

Get Real

March 28th, 2011
7:44 pm

When there is such of a thing as a “Max” contract as we have in the NBA — it is foolish to think that all players at this particular level of pay are (or should be) comparable players.

The only thing comparable is their level of pay. It’s an artificial level.

How much would Kareem, Magic, Bird or MJ be worth (in their prime) today? You guessed it, much more than any player in today’s NBA with a max contract. But they would only be allowed under the rules to receive the same “max” contract.

Having a salary cap skews real value and incorrectly insinuates that players at the “max” level are all of comparable value.

If Forbes capped everyone’s net worth (for the purpose of comprising their list of the world’s wealthiest people) at $10 billion — it would artificially appear that there were 20-30 people at the top with comparable net. But we all know that Bill Gates is worth many times more than this. So the guy sitting at only $10 billion could never be expected to match Gates dollar for dollar in a spending contest.

Hopefully this clears up some of the misunderstanding as it related to the constant criticism surrounding Joe’s contract.

Slimjr

March 28th, 2011
7:46 pm

“The +/- stat is tied to team performance during the time that that particular player is on the court. The games official scorer records the differential in terms of gain (plus) or loss (minus).

By way of example, if David Lee enters the game with the score tied at 80 to 80, and leaves with his team ahead by 3, he gets a plus 3. Conversely, if he enters with his team ahead by 13, and leaves with a 3 point lead, he gets a minus-10.
There you have it drmaryb……smiles…………..

Najeh Davenpoop

March 28th, 2011
8:02 pm

“so is the point that playing Teague makes no difference in the team’s success/failure?”

The point is that playing him definitely doesn’t hurt the team in the short term (in my opinion it helps but I can see why someone might argue otherwise), so there is no excuse not to play him, seeing as how those minutes are likely going to help him develop, which in turn helps this team in the long term.

Astro Joe

March 28th, 2011
8:28 pm

Sautee, I think we have a few double-edged swords and several plastic sporks.

Najeh, I agree that he doesn’t hurt (against certain teams). But I also think that any head coach has the right to prioritize playing time for those guys who help (more than are just breakeven).

Mike is back

March 28th, 2011
8:30 pm

Ken Surg, your recent article on Jamal and Marvin is just another example where LD’s pitfall is he is always focus on offense…nothing could be further wrong…for the success of the Hawks going to the playoff.

It’s a lack of consistence effort on defense…and it always will be…you can keep talking about getting one or two players going all you want…unless this team makes a concerted effort on defense on a nightly bases despite the opponent…they will continue their mediocre play…apparently that has become acceptable.

How TF can you expect your reserves to contribute when they never get to play any extended minutes…these guys don’t even appear to have define roles…then you become alarmed when they can’t hold leads…That’s Cool …go ahead and run your starters in the ground heading into the playoff…geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez LD.

It’s encouraging to hear Marvin and Jamal talking about stepping their game up…and it’s great to see the Hawks string together some wins…cuz I still say a win is win…however once LD gets JJ back…he will go back to those same dysfunctional rotations…and rely to heavily on the same guys.

Some guys will be rewarded for mediocrity and some guys will be punished for mediocrity…again geeeeeeeeeeeeeeez LD.

I know I talked some crap…BUT LD just don’t get it…kind of like his predecessor…but on the flip side.

Did I mention how much I love the Hawks.lol

The Truth

March 28th, 2011
8:41 pm

Geemack

“The way these guys have taken off all season, resting them should be the last thing on LD’s mind”

Al is ranked 36 out of 445 players in the entire NBA in minutes played. Of the 35 players ahead of him, only two players, Dwight Howard (6) and Paul Gasol (15), are centers in this group. Of these 3 centers, Al is the most undersize and the most effected by wear and tear. As I watched the Hawks game at Phillips against NJ, they blew a 30 point lead and brought NJ within 9 points of beating them in the 4th. Though Al Horford had an impressive stat line, the numbers don’t reveal his fatigue and him losing focus with missed bunnies, missed rebounding going up against his shadow that was partially responsible for NJ come-back. Even LD tried to apologize for the extended minutes he played Al by rationalizing and associating it with the NJ comeback. But what LD didn’t explain was why he didn’t rest AL in the 3rd quarter when Hawks had a 30 point lead. Then after playing 42 minutes within less than 24 hours later, AL plays almost 40 minutes when Zaza could have played more against the Cavs considering our lead in the 4th.

Since LD can’t beat last year’s record (at this point), he needs to let it go and concentrate on a better playoff showing. Wearing his horses out will not serve him well come playoff time. He can start with minute reduction to his starters and increase PT to key role players.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 28th, 2011
8:43 pm

SlimJr

That was a beautiful explanation and simple too. I am such an analyzer that I would have never figured that out on my own.

I’m rhat kid when taking a test, will talk myself out of the easy, simple answer. Too smart for my own good is what my Mamma used to say.
LOL!

I see now, now I can stop scratching my head!
I LOVE me some SlimJr … I’m gonna’ put my stripper pole in the car and head on over to your house now. I hope my Grand-Daddy don’t get too mad. LOL! But seriously, thanks!

Rev in Tampa

March 28th, 2011
8:44 pm

Teague’s defense makes him more than non-factor. He positively helps the team NOW. By keeping pressure off Al and Josh he improves the whole team’s defense. This is still questioned by several on the blog, understandably so, since he gets to play so little with the first team. He will only grow to become more effective with more experience.

Jae Evolution

March 28th, 2011
9:02 pm

What the hell is going on in the Knicks vs Magic game, Dwight Howard has only two FG attempts and it’s halftime, they are missing Jameer Nelson, and apparently JJ Reddick will be out longer than expected.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 28th, 2011
9:03 pm

Get Real!

Like Astro Joe eluded to earlier today, you give the average blogger way too much credit for understanding what a Max Contract really stipulates and how it compares to the value of other Max Contract Players.

You throw in a Bill Gates analogy and you’re really pushing the envelope now. Hell, I’m a doctor and I can barely navigate Windows 2007 or
defragment my computer’s hard drive! LOL !!!!!!!!!!

Great post and comments however, I gleamed a lot of understanding myself from that. Get Real! And, keep it coming, Sir.

O'Brien

March 28th, 2011
9:16 pm

AJ,

But I also think that any head coach has the right to prioritize playing time for those guys who help (more than are just breakeven)..

Fair enough. but how do you explain LD’s insistence on consistently playing Mo Evans at SF over Damien?

And can we really say Bibby was helping (after January)?

EmirS.

March 28th, 2011
9:22 pm

This Sixers team is very impressive. I never really watched them close up when playing the Hawks. But I’m watching some of the Bulls/Sixers games right now. They might be small upfront…but they are FAST!

I think they are one All-Star away from being quality contenders in the years to come.

Astro Joe

March 28th, 2011
10:07 pm

OB, I don’t think too many coaches throw out players like the daily newspaper (like fans). I mean, if Derek Fisher has 2-3 bad months, would you really expect Phil to leave him on he end of the bench? Part of hiring LD was that he has extended history with Bibby. Not to mention (as I often do) coaches see things in practice that we don’t see. So there are so many other variables that likely weigh into who gets PT. If LD is teaching a new set and player A demonstrates his ability to execute and player B doesn’t, chances are that may weigh into PT (and we would never have insight into that variable). For all all the Teague love, he appears like someone who plays strictly from the neck down. I’m sure that LD would love to find some guys who offer an alternative.

Melvin

March 28th, 2011
10:08 pm

Watching the Knicks/Magic game and Shelden Williams is playing well. Although his impact may not show up in the stat book. He’s really defended Dwight well…

Melvin

March 28th, 2011
10:27 pm

Look like the Hawks got lucky. Dwight just pickup his 17 tech and I think he will be suspended for Wednesday game…

Melvin

March 28th, 2011
10:31 pm

If the Magic lose to the Knicks and Hawks beat Magic on Wednesday they will pickup 2 full games on them.

Melvin

March 28th, 2011
10:35 pm

Ok I jump the gun. Dwight will not be suspended for the Hawks game b/c has 17 techs now. It’s an automatic one game suspension on the 18th tech.

Jae Evolution

March 28th, 2011
10:39 pm

Melvin don’t get your hopes up even if we win on Wednesday, the Magic have a cupcake schedule for the rest of the year. We have Houston, Spurs, Miami, Celtics

Jae Evolution

March 28th, 2011
10:44 pm

Looking at the Wizards vs. Jazz, Jordan Crawford must really be Jamal 2.0, he takes about 30 shots a game seems like and makes 10 of them.

But the potential is definitely there.

doc

March 28th, 2011
11:26 pm

for a ticket holder, not good on tech for howard, melvin.

northcyde

March 28th, 2011
11:32 pm

My only question for Jamal would be this . . actually 2 questions.

1) Why is your shot selection so bad?

and

2) Why when it is obvious that you’re not hitting from long range, you continue to jack up shots from long range?

LOL . . actually, that would refer to the bad shot selection. Oh well.

The 18 foot jumper is your friend Jamal. Going for the home run ball on 40% of your shots, doesn’t do anybody any good . . especially when you’re a 35% shooter from long range.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 28th, 2011
11:43 pm

“I agree that he doesn’t hurt (against certain teams). But I also think that any head coach has the right to prioritize playing time for those guys who help”

How many players on this team consistently fall into that category? Certainly not Jamal, who is Teague’s only competition for back court minutes off the bench.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 28th, 2011
11:57 pm

And I don’t think he hurts against any teams. Maybe he hasn’t come in and provided a tangible lift in every game he has played, but I can’t think of any game since the trade in which he has come in and made it worse for the Hawks.

Buddy Grizzard

March 29th, 2011
12:24 am

Jae Evolution, I think you missed this from J from the A:

Plus-minus Stud: Luol Deng (CHIA) was a plus-76 in four games last week.
Plus-minus Dud: Jordan Crawford (WAS) was a minus-72 in four games last week.

I’ve mentioned repeatedly that getting high points per game off lots of shot attempts for a team that is losing is no way to judge the value of a player. It doesn’t matter if Jordan Crawford averaged 20 ppg for the week if his team was outscored by 20 ppg while he was on the floor. This is why advanced stats can tell you more about the value of players than traditional, per-game stats.

Slimjr

March 29th, 2011
12:38 am

I believe the Sixers are like 35-22 since that miserable 3-13 start. Doug Collins has them buying into his system you think? Imagine what he could do with the Hawks? 57-58 wins as a 4th seed? Yes,YES,YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

March 29th, 2011
12:44 am

Jamal’s game will kill you in the playoffs because he plays no defense and he does not set up his teammates on offense.He goes 1 on 2 and shoots difficult jump shots under pressure. Like Vince Carter becomes invisible in the playoffs..Just not tough enough and that goes for Marvin too….

Slimjr

March 29th, 2011
12:47 am

“the Magic have a cupcake schedule for the rest of the year. We have Houston, Spurs, Miami, Celtics”
oh well spell it out: 0-4 against those 4 playoff bound teams…………………………….

next up Orlando!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anthony

March 29th, 2011
1:04 am

Another sign the Atlanta spirit group doesn’t know what they are doing. Jamal Crawford and Mo Evans score a combined 37 points tonight against the Jazz. LarryDrew wouldn’t even give Crawford a chance to get on thefloor. Terrible.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 29th, 2011
2:10 am

Boston’s Kendrick Perkins trade might end up going down as one of the worst trades of the decade.

Worldwide Clyde

March 29th, 2011
2:12 am

*yawn*

My girlfriend is waiting on me down there in Rio.

Worldwide Clyde

March 29th, 2011
2:16 am

This is the same squad that got blown out 4 straight games against Orlando last year. What make you think this year is going to be any different.

Drmaryb stick to medicine

SHAKING MY GOT DAM HEAD

Worldwide Clyde

March 29th, 2011
2:25 am

Buddy Grizzard

March 29th, 2011
2:26 am

Anthony at lease the Wizards got the win, so you can go ahead and say good things about Jordan Crawford. However, DrMaryB, please not both JC2 and Mo Evans were -3 in +/-, meaning during the minutes they were on the floor, the Wizards were outscored by the Jazz by 3 points. They achieved the winning margin while reserves were on the floor.

Najeh, we will have to see how far Perk can take the Thunder to test your theory. Jeff Green sure doesn’t seem to have much of a role now, but they can keep him long term for cheaper. They obviously didn’t want to pay Perk or let him go and get nothing in return.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 29th, 2011
3:19 am

“we will have to see how far Perk can take the Thunder to test your theory. Jeff Green sure doesn’t seem to have much of a role now, but they can keep him long term for cheaper. ”

It’s not even about what Green may one day be or how far the Thunder go. The Celtics with Perkins were the prohibitive favorites to win the East. Without Perkins, assuming Shaq continues to stay off and on injured (which he most likely will), they are just another East team that can’t match up with the Lakers (or with Dwight Howard for that matter).

It makes sense for a team like the Hawks, who don’t have a shot at winning a title, to trade a key player for assets because they don’t think they can re-sign him. But when you have a legitimate shot at a title, trading a key piece of your team because of what may or may not happen in the future is idiotic. The entire premise of that trade defies logic. So what if Perkins wasn’t going to re-sign? The whole point of competing in any sport is to win a title. When you have a legitimate shot at that title, you don’t make moves at the deadline that worsen your shot at that title.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 29th, 2011
3:22 am

Oh well. In the very short term, this Friday’s matchup with them looks a lot more winnable now without Perkins than it did with him, so I’m not complaining.

sam'l

March 29th, 2011
3:39 am

Yes, Boston doesn’t seem as good without Perkins…..

Tonight, my basketball fan significant other and I were watching Chicago down by 20 to the 76ers and wanted to know how that could happen. Before I could begin to explain, she deduced that the fix was on and that gamblers were running the NBA. I aditted that one ref went to jail and that nobody wanted to read his book. Then, I realized that for the past five years, people never knew when the Hawks would win and when they would lose due to the “schizophrenic nature” of the club.

Turns out the gambling premise makes perfect sense. Because you can test for drugs…..but you really can’t test for being on the take. This would explain the Hawks “inconsistency.”.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 29th, 2011
6:43 am

Where was Sund, when that Perkins deal went down?
How come no one saw a DWill deal going down?

Sam’l,

your significant basketball other, (does this mean you’re gay?)

Anyway, he/she might be onto something with the “fix is in” angle.
There seems to be a lot of back room deals going down that all the other teams are not privy to.

Sam’l , calm down … I’m just joking about the significant … Thing.

Mac-Town #maconchevyrider

March 29th, 2011
6:44 am

I think Boston’s front office caught “Sunditis”

Mac-Town #maconchevyrider

March 29th, 2011
6:44 am

I think Boston’s front office caught “Sunditis”

drmaryb (*_-)

March 29th, 2011
6:58 am

I guess when you have a plethora of BIGS?
You take BIGS for granted.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 29th, 2011
7:02 am

I just don’t get it!

And, why even sign Jermaine Oneal?
So he could have another knee surgery and use Boston’s training staff?

drmaryb (*_-)

March 29th, 2011
7:07 am

Memorabalia!

The last memorable thing Jermaine Oneal ever did was punch a court side fan at “The Brawl in The Palace.” After that, what has he done?

Like a generic Tequila Bottle – NOTHING!

O'Brien

March 29th, 2011
7:28 am

With 10 games to go, Hawks are up 4 on Philly, so I think we will hold on to the 5th seed and play Orlando.

I can see it now. Hawks lose 4-3 to Orlando in the first round, but Rick Sund calls the season an improvement over last year because we were not swept by Orlando.

Najeh,

The Perkins trade made no sense. What he brought to the Celtics was more than just numbers. And if they were concerned about losing him this offseason, they could always try and work out a SNT at the end of the season. But Shaq is still injured, JO is injured, so they are going with Nenad Kristic at Center?

I know they are concerned about coming out of the East, and to beat Miami and Chicago, you really dont need a big center. But to win the NBA finals, Perkins is needed (imo).

Buddy Grizzard

March 29th, 2011
7:35 am

Najeh my point is that the *only* thing that could make sense out of Boston’s actions is if they know something about Perk’s health that nobody else knew. If Perk performs for OKC through the playoffs and Boston does not win a title, your questions will hang in the air for all eternity.

As far as the fix being in for the Hawks, if they tank the regular season so they can face Miami and make ASG money, I could believe it. But realistically, look at every Hawks coach since Lenny Wilkens. There hasn’t been a strong enough personality to get the best out of this or any cast of characters.

Lon Kruger? Terry Stotts? Woody? LD???

MJC

March 29th, 2011
8:15 am

How did I know that there would be comments on here like this “OMG Jordan Crawford is lighting it up in Washington!!” What exactly is 9/25 shooting lighting up? A candle?

Get Real

March 29th, 2011
8:34 am

Perkins didn’t even play for the first 3-4 months of this season. Meanwhile, Boston destroyed the Hawks and most everyone else during this period.

So, no point there — as far as the regular season goes, anyway.

I’d tend to agree on the trade hurting them tremendously in the playoff’s, though. Size, defense and toughness was Boston’s “calling card”, their identity and their edge. Perk was a huge centerpiece of this.

The playoffs are a completely different level of basketball than the regular season. You need extreme talent and/or extreme toughness (read: defense) to make it through the playoffs. Most years you need both.

doc

March 29th, 2011
8:35 am

what jordan crawford has proven thus far is he is a gunner without a coonscious.

Samuel

March 29th, 2011
9:33 am

Wake me up when we beat a real team.

doc

March 29th, 2011
9:36 am

jordan crawford, 1 for 10 from behind the arc last night. if he had stayed he might have left us thinking josh was restrained in his selection. he does look aggressive with a few nights with significant steals. what happens when he misses those and his shots though we cant see on the boxscore can we; in other words what does he give up to get his? fair question to ask.

Rev in Tampa

March 29th, 2011
9:45 am

I get it that jordan crawford is not helping the wizards win any games, but they were not going to win many of those games anyhow. I bet the washington fans are enjoying his wide-open style of play on offense; not to mention his development for next year.

I understand his lack of playing time in atlanta but I am thrilled for him now.

Sautee

March 29th, 2011
9:54 am

doc,

Is that anything like my Davy Crockett coonskin hat I had (and you probably did too) when I was 7?

doc

March 29th, 2011
10:13 am

suatee, i love what my iphone creates from my deep inner self, the co-creator.

gee, me too rev, i just love it when josh goes renegade, dont you and goes 9 for 27? how about jamal missing 9 shots in a game from the arc out of ten, you love that too dont you? if jc2 did that here he would be toast, simple, if we are trying to win. that is thinking the straw on the other side of the fence actually feels better than yours does. ;-)

JeJe

March 29th, 2011
10:18 am

“gee, me too rev, i just love it when josh goes renegade, dont you and goes 9 for 27? how about jamal missing 9 shots in a game from the arc out of ten, you love that too dont you? if jc2 did that here he would be toast, simple, if we are trying to win. that is thinking the straw on the other side of the fence actually feels better than yours does. ;-)

This is one of the worst constructed paragraphs I’ve come across in my life. Good Lord.

slimjr

March 29th, 2011
10:24 am

Hawks will not go 7 with Orlando without home court which they don’t have..We know the Hawks have been HORRIFIC on the road in the playoffs,PLAYOFFS save for game six against Milwaukee last year…They lose on avg. by 20 points a game..Just SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The shots will stop falling as usual….

I agree with earlier bloggers stating there is fixing going on in the NBA…You would have to be pretty naive to believe other wise. Heck, Tim Donahue said they were other refs. involved in the fixing scam and Mr. Stern covered it up big time….There is cheating going on in sports all the time…The question is when the music stop playing who gets caught this time?????

I get it now Mr. Stern there will be no NBA Championships in Atlanta!!!!!!!!!!!!!EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

slimjr

March 29th, 2011
10:34 am

“Lon Kruger? Terry Stotts? Woody? LD???” LOL??????????????WTF???????????????

A bunch of BUSTERS?????????????? These guys come from the school of Kevin Lougery! One of the worst NBA coaches in History. Only won on avg. 3 outta 10 games for 20 plus years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yikes!!!!!!!!

slimjr

March 29th, 2011
10:44 am

Woody did avg roughly 3 out of 10 over his six year stint! Dude was over 100 games below .500………..wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rev in Tampa

March 29th, 2011
10:54 am

doc, you’ve got me there. Now that I think about it, I would be pretty angry if I actually sat there and watched Jordan heaving up ill-advised shots and missing. I was thinking of the stat-lines combined with Wall’s speed on the court.

Everytime that Jordan got on the court in Atlanta he played an exciting style of basketball. I guess we were lucky that we didn’t get to see more of him.

doc

March 29th, 2011
11:12 am

rev, you can definitely say jc2 is making the most of his opportunity or shooting his way out of the nba. i hope he is learning. my issue is i have seen a lot of learning as a hawks fan the last ten years or close to it. yes, good for jordan. i just cant get excited about what that learning curve would look like during meaningful games as a hawk.

doc

March 29th, 2011
11:18 am

jeje this is blogging, sentence structute, syntax, spelling, grammer and paragraph form have little to do with it. most of this is done on the run by folks not taking themselves too seriously, i hope. this is not the new york times writing about the political implications of our non-military actions in libya.

you can have your fun though, all is cool. :-)

slimjr

March 29th, 2011
11:26 am

10,9,8,7,6………till Houston we got a problem!……..LOL

Rusty

March 29th, 2011
12:41 pm

I watched the Washington game. JC2 tied the game with 4 sec remaining & then in over time made 2 steals in a row. This man is a rookie. He will get a lot better. I seen a lot of good passes too

Mike Cunningham

March 29th, 2011
9:06 pm

Did I mention Im Gay?

Throwdown40

March 30th, 2011
10:33 am

It’s a shame that Drew doesn’t see that starting Teague and Hinrich is a more up tempo offense. I’m still not sold on lazy Marvin. You have to work on your skills to be better. I don’t see that from him. This is still a motion offense with no motion. A change has to be made.