Atlanta Hawks: What happened to Joe’s mojo?

O'Brien

March 25th, 2011
5:44 pm

LD: “I am sitting there watching Kevin Durant and they are double-teaming him all over the place. But he goes quick. He gets his shot quick. He comes off the screens looking to shoot it quick. And he’s accepting double teams and making plays out of double teams..

Najeh has always said one of JJ’s problems is he takes too long to make up his mind. And it looks like thats what LD is saying. Josh will make the quick pass out of the double team, and JJ hesitates to shoot, and he hesitates to pass.

Speed it up JJ. Speed it up.

Lukecage

March 25th, 2011
5:48 pm

Dang, 2nd

mjdawg

March 25th, 2011
5:56 pm

joe’s problem is that he is not a max player. he is not even the player on the team. i fault rick sund and management for paying him max $$$. the hawks just gave him the money with no one else offering him “jack’. the hawks have always had bad management. remember the “koncak payout, trading dominique, signing speedy(slow) claxton, drafting marvin williams instead of derron williams or chris paul, drafting sheldon williams, signing jason collins, etc. u see what i mean! there is more, but i am tired. lol

tyger

March 25th, 2011
5:56 pm

Falcoons Easy Button 1.0 2011

1.27 Justin Houston DE UGA
2.54 Jon Baldwin WR Pitt
3.81 Bruce Carter LB UNC
4.108 Curtis Marsh CB Utah St.
5.135 Ray Webber WR UAPB
6.162 Frank Warren RB Grambling
7.189 Rico Lockette WR FVSU

Big Daddy

March 25th, 2011
6:04 pm

The good teams have plays to get their person open so that they can take that quick shot. LD needs to do the same. When you look at Colby, Amare, Deron, etc, they usually go through double screen to get them to a place where they feel comfortable and they can either shoot, drive or pass the ball from that spot. Dominique made a living coming off a double screen along the baseline and getting the ball to do one of the three things I just mentioned. Come on LD, that’s not new.

Rev in Tampa

March 25th, 2011
6:05 pm

Is it possible that LD’s offense has thrown JJ out of his game?

it s probably not fair to suggest LD is responsible but until he decides to free Jeff Teague then I am going to lay all the Hawks troubles at his feet.

ag

March 25th, 2011
6:11 pm

I am so interested in the now. A couple of points, we have a real good team and just a poor coach. If I were the coach I would start with Al and make him watch hours of footage of Hakeem Olajuwon. Then I would pop out the tape and run a little Alonzo Mourning. Then I would tell him to stop crying on national tv about players who are bigger than him. Olajuwon is 6″10 250, Mourning 6′10″ 240. They both dealt with bigger, stronger and better centers than Al ever did (i.e. Ewing, Jabbar, Shaq, etc)….they even dealt with Moses Malone 6′10 215!!! Today’s big man.. Dwight.

That also is for all of you who want us to get a center. Were are we going to get him from? Who was the last center who came out of college to become a impact player?

START JEFF TEAGUE
FIRE LD

slimjr

March 25th, 2011
6:14 pm

You got to scout over seas or down in South America for your skilled bigs today..Sorry but those are the facts ma’am!……………………..

ag

March 25th, 2011
6:15 pm

I really can go on and on. Heck, Wes Unseld 6′7″ 245 playing center!
Oh, other players Hakeem had to deal with: David Robinson, Dikembe Mutombo, robert Parrish..

I would also (read this 1000 time), coach Josh to stay in the paint. I would use positive reinforcement. “Josh, write on a sheet of paper all the players that can stop you down low.” Against these guys, take a jumper. If they are not on the list, I want you to take at least 10 shots downlow and I am going to run plays to post you up.

Marvin.. sorry dude, you will be on my bench.

JJ. Just like Dominque and Kevin Willis took turns on the block… ditto for Joe and Josh.. would sometimes run him off screens.

Hinrich- starting PG

Teague- watch Iverson and his dog. Take control of the team. Hey kid, spend the weekend with the Van Exel’s. I am sure he has some film on himself.

For those of you like “Bob” keep saying we need a center, what center do you want? Dwight? Gasol?–uh Bynum? Again, the talent pool for centers is watered down.

This team is built for speed, then put the fastest guy on the court and watch it go. MC please probe the idiot about not playing Teague. Bring up his quote form the Portland game and asked him if he has changed his mind.

START JEFF TEAGUE
FIRE LD

slimjr

March 25th, 2011
6:15 pm

Joe acts like he lost his best friend or his main squeeze dropped him like a hot potato……..LOL

slimjr

March 25th, 2011
6:17 pm

Maybe drb has a friend or two who could cheer him up???????LOL

ag

March 25th, 2011
6:22 pm

slimjr, this is not baseball! You watched the Olympics. Were are the bigs? They are out there, but they don’t have the skill set to dominate. It only happens a couple of times a century. Crying for a center is like those guys in the 60’s and 70’s crying about Wilt. Did Boston with their 6′9″ 215 center cry or did they build a team to win?

slimjr

March 25th, 2011
6:28 pm

I hear ya ag. but we have a 610 and a half 250 lb guy that does not want to play center??? Go figure….

ag

March 25th, 2011
6:30 pm

hey you have to coach him up

ag

March 25th, 2011
6:34 pm

Al did not do all that crying until this season.

Rod from College Park

March 25th, 2011
6:38 pm

These comments by JJ go back to my dislike for Marvin as a basketball player so much. If the coach will simply look at the tape, the double team 9 times out of 10 is Marvin’s man because teams don’t have to check him. He is a self check. To add to that, none of the wing player or bigs cut to the rim when the double team comes, so JJ has to hesitate because everybody is standing around twiddling their thumbs, or waiting to shoot a 3 pointer. Drew must actually understand this which is the reason he takes Marvin out in the 4th quarter. When Jamal is in for Marvin, the double usually comes from Josh’s man, because for some strange reason, he is standing out behind the 3 point line, and then he feels compelled to shoot it because he knows that the team will not get a better look, because the shot clock is under 10 seconds. Movement and hard cuts to the rim by his teammates would help JJ. Josh needs to understand that you are left open on the perimeter for a reason, and he almost needs to start going to the hole no matter what. You can not settle for the jumpshot late in the game. You must drive the basketball at any cost. The only guys that should be shooting jumpshots at this point are Horford and Hinrich. I am very dissapointed in JJ’s play this year, but the real problems are guys who are wide open regularly because of the double team, are not coverting (Josh and Marvin), and Joe lacks the ability to put his head down, drive the basketball and draw a foul or score.

Jae Evolution

March 25th, 2011
6:42 pm

Well said Rod, Josh and Marvin are two good finishers at the rim, by either getting fouled or making the layup, if these guys would cut and become slashers JJ would have a much easier time passing out, it’s pretty much what the Bulls do everytime Rose gets doubled they find the open cutter and finish.

Worldwide Clyde

March 25th, 2011
6:45 pm

The season is almost over and we are still trying to figure out what to do when JJ get double teamed. SMH. What are the Hawks doing in practice? Why are they running the same ole plays? Isn’t it the coaching staff’s job to draw up sets to deal with something as easy as a double team?

FIRE LD

slimjr

March 25th, 2011
6:47 pm

They are not cutting because they are being coached up also these guys are soft and dont want to take the punishment going into the paint!!!

slimjr

March 25th, 2011
6:50 pm

The Hawks season is almost over!!! 3.5 weeks and they go fishing or to the shoe model establishments!!! LOL

Personally I’d rather stare at Monique Minor Modeling anything…..LOL

ag

March 25th, 2011
6:53 pm

Rod from College Park
JJ had breakout game with JT/KH lineup with him at SF

Damn Teague

March 25th, 2011
6:57 pm

The problem this offense is have facing double teams is a combinations of things. Some of them are on JJ, like not going quickly when he spots the double coming, giving the other teams defense time to set up in the passing lanes making it hard to find someone in a good psoition to score. Some of the blame has to fall on the other players on the court. When doubles come the all can stand stationary around the the 3-point arch like they’re about to participate in a 3-point contest. Players have to cut and move to create better passing angles for Joe to find them in good positions to score or make a play. where most of the blame for this problem should fall on the coach though. When a team has a problem with a specific type of defense or one single thing like this, it is up to the coach to work on this with his team. Design way to counter and put his players in position to maximize there talent. Oterwise what the point in having a coach.The fact that the Hawks are still having problems with teams double teaming Joe shows the quality of coaching thats been taking place over the past couple of years. But Joe finding his “Mojo” is one of the many problems facing this team at the moment.

And dont even get me started on Jeff Teague AKA “Mr.DNP-CD”…. I mean really Larry Drew? Playing 7 players on the back end of a back to back? Thats is all…..

Damn Teague

March 25th, 2011
6:59 pm

Looks like my first post could’ve used a proofread, but I think I still got my point across

Rod from College Park

March 25th, 2011
7:07 pm

JSS,

From last blog:

@ Rod…

“Not to have DrMaryB looking over her shoulder for the blogger whose name will never be spoken; you wouldn’t have taken Brook Lopez?”

No. That might have been one I missed on. Again, I would not have drafted a Stanford player under any circumstances. Especially after Childress and Keefe.

RaJaH

March 25th, 2011
7:23 pm

Da’Sean Butler signs with the Spurs.

Space Mountain

March 25th, 2011
7:25 pm

Joe is too out of shape to play SG even though that is his skill set, move him to SF. Horford IS A PF, NOT A CENTER! there are only a hand-full of true “centers” in the NBA (Howard, Bynum, Duncan). You don’t have to have a center. But you do have to play inside. Josh’s problem is that he thinks he is Dominique. Yes they can both dunk, but that’s it. He is slow with the ball and has a worse looking jump shot than Dennis Rodman. Josh has to play the low post and stop trying to be a “point forward” or he needs to go. Move Crawford into starting lineup at SG. Hinrich starting PG. Teague, Wilkins, Williams, Zaza, Armstrong rotated off bench (not all at one time like LD seems to do). Next season is next season. Let’s see how this one ends first.

MannyT

March 25th, 2011
7:37 pm

How about some post ups for Joe that START with him down low. Easier shots to increase his confidence and give the Hawks some inside presence. I don’t understand why we don’t take advantage of having one of the biggest, strongest SG in the league.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 25th, 2011
7:44 pm

Blind Fury!

Man I just checked that Free – Style Rapper: Blind Fury on
106 & Park: BET Top W0 Live.

Just Wow! This little blind dude from my home state: Lugoff, SC.
Now, I ain’t never heard of Lugoff, SC .. Dude undefeated and the winner get on with Puffy. Word on The Street? Puffy calling this boy every day, watch out for Blind Fury! Wow! You tube this cat!
_______________

Aiight! What’s up with Joe Johnson? Joe need to stop listening to a million people and just go out there and play his game, its actual and its natural. Just Play! Do You – Joe! Do yo thing man, ISO, Ball-Hog, Whatever! Do what got you here and don’t stop till YOU get enough!

Child Please! Forget about all these game doctors!
____________________

“Maybe drb has a friend or two who could cheer him up???????LOL”
__________

Damn, my friends? Here I am – Send me!

W.R.Terrell

March 25th, 2011
7:51 pm

I think what happened to ISO Joes mojo is 20 million in pocket. He was never worth that amount and does not have the heart, mindset, focus or dedication to pull it off. Saturday evening we play New Jersey, now watch and see who kills us. Can you take a guess, here’s a hint. He launches 3 pointers and other DUMBASS shots and then checks with his coach to see if that was alright. I have a prob mentioning that idiots name. Tomorrow we will lose if that Dummy, no basketball brain, “smoove” does his usual and then carry that stupid ass look around like “what happened?” We are probably going to lose tomorrow and it could be a blowout. The playoffs may be a mirage and do you really wanna watch this embarrassing group play. Next year folks and hopefully “smoove” will be gone with his silly ass and maybe ISO too. Jeff Teague needs to start but LD is super dense, he will do the silly thing and not play him or Hilton. I have to give it to Woody, he took a bunch of dumbasses and had them playing on a level that was foreign to all of em.

James the Plumber (I still have hope for this team)

March 25th, 2011
7:59 pm

If am Rick Sund, I call Mark Cuban after we get swept by ORL-he was desperately after JJ in the off-season. I would offer him JJ (preferably with) Marvin for [J. Barera, Brandon Haywood , C.Butler] and or Shawn Marion.]] We can start building a-fresh from that point with some expiring contracts. JJ can actually thrive better on a different team, maybe Dallas is that franchise especially since they wont be double teaming him with Dirk on the court. It makes both teams better.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 25th, 2011
8:17 pm

WRTerrell

Just like they wanted Woody gone? He Left.
For all the people who believe the solution is to throw the baby out with the bath water? Be very careful about what you’re asking for?

Yall were unsatisfied with what little success this team had.
How do you like them now? Its easy to log on here and FIRE everybody everyday.

But, keep this in mind. The Hawks are Lucky to have Mr. Johnson, he is the only Super-Star yall will ever see in Atlanta. He came here when yall had nothing but a basketball and no one to put the damned ball in a hole in the ground.

All these Super-Stars yall pine for? They don’t want yall!
Because yall don’t even show up for a game and when you do?
You’re in the stands being disrespectful, chanting MVP for the other team and buying Kobe’s Jersey. The only games yall show up for is the:

Heat
Lakers
OKC
Dallas
San Antonio
New York

T
On the other nights? Yall stay home and the stands are empty.
Don’t think for a minute the other teams to don’t see it, talk about it and laugh about it. When they are FA’s? This town is not even an option.
No one is walking through that door! Joe Smith said he had 90 followers on Twitter when he was here. He signed with the Lakers and in 5 minutes?
He had 5,000 followers and he anchors the bench for that team.
He has played for them less than Teague has for us or Jordan Crawford for that matter. So, while you guys are shipping out:
Joe, Jamal, J-Smoove and everybody else? Remember that.
No one is coming here to take their places.
_____________

drmaryb is gonna’ always keep it real on a blog.
I’m just sayin’ – be careful. Woody is gone and we will never sniff round 2 again, ever!

Worldwide Clyde

March 25th, 2011
8:31 pm

Quote Of The Year:

“When a team has a problem with a specific type of defense or one single thing like this, it is up to the coach to work on this with his team. Design way to counter and put his players in position to maximize there talent. Oterwise what the point in having a coach.The fact that the Hawks are still having problems with teams double teaming Joe shows the quality of coaching thats been taking place over the past couple of years.” – Damn Teague

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
8:33 pm

How bright ld is. We all knew that years ago

drmaryb (*_-)

March 25th, 2011
8:33 pm

Mr. Woodson took minced meat and made rhubarb pie.
This team competed hard until they ran into a buzz-saw and out of gas.
Woody didn’t play our scrubs, yeah, he ran the starters into the ground, but what other choice did he have.

He had no PG and no true Center. In 6 years, Daddy M never delivered any groceries. Joe never had any help! We grew Josh and Al, they were grown organically, but they are not super – duper players, they were kids. Sans Al. He is a man!

Just like LeBron and Dwade and Bosh cried for help? Joe never complained, never bolted The Hawks. He could have taken less money and right now be in NY with Amare and Carmelo. He didn’t do that?
He was loyal to The Hawks and for no apparent reason!

We needed him way more than he needed us. Now he needs some help to pull them swarming triple teams off of him. Josh shooting from the outside is not pulling a defender off Joe. Al is hiding from the kryptonite in the paint. Al is extremely reluctant to shoot. Hell, he can’t even get his own shot! So he is not pulling a defender off joe either.
No one on this team is triple teamed but Joe. We may not respect his game, but every coach and player in the league DOES! 82 times per year! Believe that!

So FIRE away! Pretty soon yall will be like northcyde in reverse, yall will be driving to Memphis to see Rudy “broke shoulder” Gaye, since yall want to see him play so bad.
____________

Peace! Remember, this team is good, but we are not a Championship Roster! Bypass Sund and See ASKG for that problem to be solved.

Mr. Johnson may pick his shots or his girlfriends, but he does not pick his teammates!

drmaryb (*_-)

March 25th, 2011
8:35 pm

And, he doesn’t pick his coaches either.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 25th, 2011
8:42 pm

Rod

Some teammates actually run TO the ball and give their star an option to pass. Relieve the pressure off Joe, then Joe can roll to the lane and
get it back. See Boston.

When Joe is tripled, they stand and watch, they don’t move without the ball, they wait on it? Player movement os non-existent on this roster.
The 4th qrtr is the only qrtr that this really matters. For us, its the 3rd and 4th where we lay down and lose games!

A Blind-Rapper can see this!

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
8:46 pm

All of the teams see & know jj is going to dribble & dribble,when he start his move there usually is only one person on him but he invites more than one person to cover him & one of the main problems is everybody knows he has only one thought & that is to get a shot. It’s kind of hard to make a good pass when you are getting smothered by 3 players.

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
8:48 pm

A lot of our problems in the 4 th quarter are because Joe tries to take over the game

CONservative Johnson

March 25th, 2011
9:02 pm

No excuses for Joe. There are a number of players who get double teamed; they make better plays and less money . . .

drmaryb (*_-)

March 25th, 2011
9:03 pm

Joe should take over the game! That’s how we won 53 games last year!
Do you want Josh to take it over? Al is reluctant and is hiding this year.

Every championship team has a goto player to take over a game!
See, Kobe, LeBron, Dwade, DRose. Boston got 3 HOF’ers they’re set. However, Paul Pierce is nothing but a shell now.

Joe is paid 16M to take over the game! That’s what all that moey is for! Duuhh! We are lucky to have a goto player, we just don’t know how to use him. We got Josh Powell putting up 5 shots in the 4th! That’s why his azz is glued to the bench now.

Rusty, do you even know how to play Basketball? Go Figure! And, you Sir are not 71 years old! That is a lie! I can tell by the silliness in the posts.

Damn Teague

March 25th, 2011
9:04 pm

@drmaryb You’re right. Us as fans have not been the most supportive, I mean forbes listed us 3 2 on the list for the most miserable sport cities, partly because of that. And true Joe Johnson did come here to be ‘the guy’ when no on else cared too, but the Hawks also signed him to a 70 million dollar deal back then when he wasn’t gonna get that deal anywhere else. And Joe was traded here so he pretty much didnt have a choice but to come here. And lets not make it seem like Joe stayed here and remained a Hawk because of some deep loyal allegiance. He stayed here because of the 120million dollar check he will be collecting on. It is clear and obvious he would have had a better chance to win with some of the other teams intersted in his services but at a lesser price.

The main problem Joe will have his entire time as a Hawk is the he is a square playertrying to be put in a square hole. Meaning that he is a very very very good NBA player & all star but he is just not the #1 primo scorer guy who can ‘carry’ a team when the going gets tough like in the playoffs. And the Hawks are trying to force it on him. This not a knock against Joe but its just not who he is. And barring some unforeseen magical disney like trade I can’t see the flexibilty in this roster to bring him some significant help.

Oh and for everyone on this blog that tries to use Ld’s horrible handling of this as a justification for the great job Mike Woodson was doing, I mean LD was his top assistant so what did we really expect?

CONservative Johnson

March 25th, 2011
9:07 pm

drmaryb, that’s just an excuse. There are many times where Joe holds onto the ball and waits for the double to get to him, and then tries to pass the ball (which usually results in an ugly turnover) or make whatever move he wants (which is usually a bad shot) way too late.

If he were looking to pass the ball there is usually someone there to receive it. He just isn’t looking to pass it up quick enough. And, in his iso-Joe mode, he waits too long to go . . .

Damn Teague

March 25th, 2011
9:09 pm

Has anyone paid any notice to the numbers Jordan Crawford has been putting up in DC? Looks like we may have traded the wrong Crawford LOL. LD should take notice of what young players can do when giving actual playing time! Everytime I see Jordan Crawford’s stats from a game I can’t help but to go… “Damn Teague!” No way a player of his ability and potential on a team like this should recieve so many DNP-CD’s. Ok Rant complete

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
9:09 pm

I understand ya’ll about Mike Brown. I’m just thinking that he and Casey are the only realistic options open right now. Don Nelson leaves me cold. Adelman is not open yet.

But anybody that’s being mentioned has got to be better than LD.

And some of ya’ll dissin’ Brown, aren’t ya’ll the same ones praisng LD for saying the right things in the preseason? Just sayin’. Kept tellin’ ya’ll to hold your horses on that one. But I had no idea he would be this bad.

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
9:10 pm

Drmaryb. For your info I am 71 .for jj to dominate he would have to make his shots. He is a choker just like the playoffs can’t perform under the pressure it is quite obvious to most of the bloggers

Damn Teague

March 25th, 2011
9:12 pm

Yeah I meant a Square player trying to be put into a Circular hole!!!! Gotta start proof reading my post! Sorry

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
9:18 pm

The Hawks Role Out a New Marketing Strategy

Come Support Your History Making Atlanta Hawks!!!!

Your very own Atlanta Hawks have been being pasted by historic margins right here in Phillips Arena.

No other winning team in NBA history has lost by 30 points at Home 3 times in one season.

No other winning team has lost 5 games by more than 20 points at Home in one season.

That is until now. Our Atlanta Hawks are making history! Come join the fun with the entire family.

We have children crying at the absolute destruction of these Atlanta Hawks.

But the fun’s not over yet!

We still have Home games versus top teams San Antonio, Miami, Boston, and Orlando still to come!

Come out and suppost our Hawks to make this a truly historic season. We can set records no sports team of any era can match!

Be a part of History! Tell your grandchildren you were a part of this unbelievable season! Be chastised by Owners for not supporting this disaster!

And make your children cry!

Spend $600.00 for fun for the whole family.

History is in the Making at Phillips. Records are being set. Don’t miss it! Be there!

I’m Larry Drew, and I support this message.

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
9:18 pm

Drmaryb I played high school basketball 1955 to 1958 & played in Marietta city league until I had a laminectony(17 inches cut out) when I was 60. I also play over 100 holes of golf a week inspite of having a knee bone on bone,wear a $1000 brace.

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
9:19 pm

“Role” should be “Roll” – but this is the Hawks, who cares!?!

I mean we’re setting records right? And few seem to care.

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
9:29 pm

Philly is pulling away from Miami

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
9:30 pm

Joe came here because he wasn’t going to be the man in phoenix because they knew he wasn’t good enough.also for the money as they weren’t going to give that much to him. He stood here for the money as he couldn’t get it anywhere else. Joe lives to shoot the basketball & to be the man but is not a big time player under pressure.

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
9:30 pm

Van Gundy appears to be resting players on a rotational basis already, with their seeding basically set.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 25th, 2011
9:32 pm

” And Joe was traded here so he pretty much didnt have a choice but to come here.”
_______________

This is not true! Joe told Phoenix, “Do Not match the ATL offer!”
He demanded a trade to Atlanta and no where else!”
He did exactly what Melo did with NY. He refused to sign an extension anywhere else! Atlanta was the only team on his list. A sign and trade had to be done for both teams. We gave them Diaw and our #1 pick which was lottery protected fro 1 to 3.

We got lucky and Nique drew the #3 ping pong ball. I forget who we selescted with that #3? But, don’t you remember the BIG Lawsuit where Belkin filed a 6 year lawsuit to block that trade for Joe?

It was just settled last year, in year 5! The rift was so big, the owners turned on Belkin. Didn’t you see the FRONT PAGE of the AJC where Billy Knight refused to shake the “EVIL HAND” of Belkin down at the court house? Even after the lawsuit, we fans all feared Joe would change his mind and come here where he was not wanted?

When Joe was offered the Max this past off season, Gearon, JR said, “We fought our partner to get Joe here, we paid over 13M in legal fees to get him here. We will pay whatever we have to to keep him here. He is our franchise player, this whole team was built for him!”

That’s why Joe got The Max Contract! New York, Chicago and other teams were lined up with 5 years 95M to pay him. “Bird Rules” allowed us to go 6 years 119M. That’s what he got, the annual raises may push that to 124M … But Joe will pay nearly 40% – 36% in Federal Taxes depending on the Tax Codes from year to year for his income tax bracket.

In Miami, they don’t pay State Taxes. So, actually LeBron will probably take home more than Joe! He is NOT the highest paid player in the NBA!

Gilbert Arenas makes 20M per year for ar more years. See Rashard Lewis and Michael Redd, they don’t play at all due to knee injuries!
__________________

But, get your facts straight. Joe hand picked the Hawks and demanded a trade here as an UFA and a S&T was his CHOICE!

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
9:32 pm

Bucks keeping ahead of the Knicks. Those that said Carmelo and Billups game were better for halfcourt than the run and gun appear to be correct. Wrong players for the wrong system.

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
9:34 pm

And Kobe is a true Max player, making 27m and 30m per season in a couple of years. JJ is only a secondary max player.

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
9:37 pm

Lou Williams is eating Mike Bibby and House alive – 22 pts in 16 minutes, 8-9 shooting.

I’m sure Lou is not a problem for the Heat either!

drmaryb (*_-)

March 25th, 2011
9:38 pm

Joe Johnson LOVES Atlanta, he moved his entire family here. They all love it here! He purchased Shariff Abhur Rahim’s house for 3.5M? When he got here. Word on the Street is he is currently building a new mansion from the ground up right now.

He has always wanted to be here! What he needs now is the same thing LeBron needed – some damned help! He has no problem with not being the Man! Robin is fine with him, just like it was fine for DWade.

Miami is still trying to figure out who should take the last shot down there. There can only be one Batman on one team! If you want to win a championship, who cares who takes the last shot?

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
9:38 pm

Miami goes on a tear and pulls ahead of the Sixers. But it is at Miami however. Don’t count the Sixers out yet

drmaryb (*_-)

March 25th, 2011
9:41 pm

Just Stop It!

For all yall that want to trade Smoove for a Kenyon Martin is crazy!
That’s like trading a shiny red Ferrari for a high mileage Camry!
________________

You asked for it – You got it! TOYOTA.
(Be very careful)
___________________

We need a Coach first! Then a Real GM!

Grandad

March 25th, 2011
9:44 pm

Al is the only player on the team who catches & shoots
[quick decision] in rhythm.
Putting Joe in the middle [LD] is almost the right idea.
He should put Joe in the center of the floor.
What do I mean ?
I think LD is saying mid as opposed to the side,
whereas I’m talking about the center if the defense.
_____________________________________________

Much like what MannyT said earlier,
get Joe in the center of the def before he gets the ball
so that he doesn’t waste half the shot clock dribbling
to get to the exact same spot.
In motion offense Joe can/should be able to move w/o the ball
& get open in these spots. Giving him a quick shot, move,
or almost entirely eliminating the possibility of double teams.
_____________________________________________________

Therefore Joe would no longer be the one initiating the offense
but the one consummating the offense.

______________________________________________________

Advanced Basketball Concepts -601- ___ by __ G-dad
*[foot placed squarely in cheek]

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
9:51 pm

Sixers begin to wilt late…

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
9:52 pm

Joe would be a better shooter if he didn’t always play iso ball. Take the shot quickly or drive to the
hoop quickly. His problem is all the dribbling & hestitation.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 25th, 2011
9:54 pm

* Arenas has 3 years left on his deal @ 20M per.
Jermain Oneal made 20M last year in Miami, he barely plays ever, since Indiana over paid him, Rahard makes 20M per for what 2 more years and he’s done for the season…. Etc.

Joe is the 17th highest paid player this year, correct me if I’m wrong, but, you get the point. Joe’s salary has nothing to do with how he plays, he was paid for how he played in the past.

His teammates have all played worse and horrible this year.
We are lucky that he doesn’t demand a trade or sulk, like Jamal is doing!

Yall really need to stop being so emotional! We are not that good this year. See Drew about all that stuff! He has digressed all the good Woody accomplished. And, ASKG did nothing this Summer to upgrade beyond resigning Joe. This team has other bad contracts that hurts this teams cap number, besides Joe. You know who they are! The untradeables and the bench filled useless players, not named Teague.

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
9:56 pm

But that is how he always played

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
9:56 pm

And always will

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
9:58 pm

Knicks lose

Cavs win – uh oh

And if we can’t beat this team of outcasts called NJ by 20, we don’t deserve the playoffs I don’t think

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
10:03 pm

Whew! – Sixers lose. Still up by 3 games on them.

And wow! ‘Cats outscore Boston by 15 in the 4th at the Garden, and win by 2

Alot like that ‘Cats ATL game in ATL.

5thwardtexas

March 25th, 2011
10:05 pm

faglanta sucks

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
10:06 pm

Memphis and Chicago about tied in the 4th – Memphis w/o Rudy Gay for the season still playing well.

Just like Chicago, Boston, Lakers etc.

Unlike the excuse machine ATL Hawks

Jordan not doing so well tonight – 2 pts in 11 minutes.

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
10:08 pm

I credit Woody, not as a good coach, but for getting the most he could out of Jamal and JJ last season.

And I credit Drew for the regression. Bad coaching

Worldwide Clyde

March 25th, 2011
10:10 pm

When will the Hawks retire “Kiss Cam?”

Let’s Go Hawks

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
10:10 pm

Man, the Nuggets can start some guy I’ve never heard of at F, Gary Forbes, and Karl still has them truckin’. Good Coach.

5thwardtexas

March 25th, 2011
10:10 pm

hawks suck why dont they just put on dresses like the rest of you men in gay-t-l

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
10:12 pm

Watching the end of first half Washington game. Announcer said wa coach said wall & jc2 mesh well together have a lot of the same skills, jc2 is a very good passer.

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
10:15 pm

The Hawks have the same record as the 8th seed in the West, Memphis. But Memphis is beating Chicago in the 4th right now.

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
10:16 pm

JC2 is a very good passer, with good court vision

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
10:17 pm

Jc2 first half. 17 min. 3for 7 ,1 3pt , 3 assists

SteveW

March 25th, 2011
10:19 pm

Poor David West, torn ACL right before his big FA days.

Hope LD is watching.

Grandad

March 25th, 2011
10:22 pm

A word for Ms. ” 5thwardtexas ”

Ma’am they’re called kilts.

I prefer a kilt rather than my nut-bra.

Ethan

March 25th, 2011
10:30 pm

You cant lose what you never had.

James on Pharr Rd

March 25th, 2011
10:35 pm

I think LD is getting fired regardless. Woodson was screwed over: in all honesty with the MO of pro sports, he should have been fired after getting a contract extension, and then a buy out. He is probably mad as hell at Rick Suund and the basketball gods of Atlanta pro sports…..
As for LD, he’ll be hard stretched to ask for the money owed to him on his 2 year deal come May 6th after a 4-0 sweep of the Hawks.

ant banks

March 25th, 2011
10:37 pm

JORDON CRAWFORD SCORED 25PTS IN THE LAST GAME. HE HAS 10 PTS TONIGHT, MIDWAY THRU 3RD QTR.

stupid to get rid of his 1mil dollar salary. dude is averaging 22pts in his last 10 starts. shoulda traded jamal and kept jordon, but the hawks wouldn’t have played him anyway.

Worldwide Clyde

March 25th, 2011
10:56 pm

FIRE LD

O'Brien

March 25th, 2011
10:57 pm

The Sixers lost, so the Hawks are back to 3 games up in the loss column.

With the Nets playing (and losing) tonight, and without Williams, and the Hawks well rested, Hawks should blow them out of the gym tomorrow, right?

Jordan Crawford having a solid game tonight. 7-14 from the field, 16 pts, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 turnover in 30 minutes.

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
10:58 pm

LD has really screwed us pretending to be a basketball coach & I really thought he would be good listening to him. He had me fooled.

ant banks

March 25th, 2011
11:02 pm

RUSTY,

he had all of us fooled. lol

James on Pharr Rd

March 25th, 2011
11:03 pm

Rusty, what exactly did he say that had you believe in him? You get what you pay for and that’s exactly what he is worth: a 2 year deal and a one and done Head coach. Nothing against him, but he is at best an assistant coach on a non championship caliber team. Have you seen the Assistants on the contending teams?

P. Bull Terrier

March 25th, 2011
11:07 pm

You mean the threat of Josh Smith throwing up a 35 footer when Joe passes out of the double team isn’t enough to stop teams from doubling Joe?

James on Pharr Rd

March 25th, 2011
11:07 pm

Did you ever hear Phil, Pop, Doc or ANY SERIOUS head coach consistently give non substance-like answers:
1. We just need to work as a team
2. We need to push the ball more
3.Shots just did not drop tonight for us.
4.We are going to run a more motion like offense.
5.We are not playing hard

No philosophical substance to the man, coaching is more than yelling, reiterating the same point, and saying PLAY HARD.

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
11:11 pm

God I hope they listen to us or at least realize how hopeless he is,just to think of another season with him will be unbearable & disatorable to the hawks

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
11:14 pm

James. Did we get what we paid for by giving iso Joe all that money. I certainly knew better about that

James on Pharr Rd

March 25th, 2011
11:17 pm

Rusty I am with you on that. I think the GM has to go first-he’s contract is up too in June. After Rick is gone, we need to figure out long term plans for this team: we don’t have the talent to compete with MIA/ORL/BOS and we lack the pieces to trade for such caliber people. We have drafted too poorly before, and because we don’t quite lose enough-wont get good enough talent in the draft. So, we just have to pick a direction and honestly it is long term planning because we are not winning any time soon.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 25th, 2011
11:18 pm

“Sounds good in theory, but “quick” has never been J.J.’s style. He’s been at his best deliberately setting up his opponent and using his size to get off his shot (which obviously doesn’t work against double teams). I’m not even sure J.J. can play a more dynamic style like Durant, D-Wade, et al.”

Joe doesn’t have the explosiveness of either player, so he’s never going to be able to individually beat double teams the way they do. It does not, however, require superior explosiveness to see the double team coming and quickly and decisively make a pass before getting swarmed by the extra defender. Smoove understands this; Joe either doesn’t or can’t process this information quickly enough to get the ball out of his hands in a timely manner.

Now you can say part of this is players not coming to the ball or whatever, but there have been several occasions on which Joe has gotten doubled with a wide open player on the perimeter near him and he still has taken forever to get rid of the ball. Nothing is preventing him from making quicker decisions with the ball.

Nowhere is this more evident than when he gets doubled in the post. When Smoove gets doubled in the post, the ball gets out of there and into the hands of the open perimeter guy. When Joe gets doubled in the post, he backs the ball out to the perimeter and either shoots a contested jumper (when the extra defender goes back to his man) or tries to make a tough pass while being swarmed by the extra defender.

mykhalc

March 25th, 2011
11:23 pm

Joe might be a lotta things…outta shape ain’t one of ‘em…

Najeh Davenpoop

March 25th, 2011
11:26 pm

And the fact that he is so slow — or “deliberate” — making decisions with the ball is part of the reason I want the responsibility of creating his shot out of Joe’s hands even more than it is now. Let Kirk and Teague run the show, and let Joe’s open looks come from the point guards getting in the paint and drawing defenders and/or Smoove’s post ups.

One play they run every now and then that I like is when Joe comes off the pin down screens and catches the ball 15 feet away from the basket with an opportunity to do something with it. It gets him the ball close enough to where he can take a makeable shot or set up one of his teammates, and for whatever reason it seems like he tends to make decisions with the ball more quickly when he gets the ball in this area.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 25th, 2011
11:29 pm

From the previous blog…

“Listened to the Marvin interview, and you know what I think about Marvin. It was not as bad as was reported. He was not jocking Lebron, but stated he likes to watch him when they are not playing the Hawks. He seems to know more about movies, than basketball. In typical Hawk fashion, he answered the questions correctly, but every answer ended with wev’e just got to do better, or we have to stop taking so many jumpshots…….”

Rod, what interview are you talking about?

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
11:29 pm

Najeh the reason jj don’t get the ball out quick is because he don’t want to, he wants the shot, that’s his mentality

Man Man

March 25th, 2011
11:30 pm

If he would catch and shoot instead of dribbling all the time he wouldn’t get doubled team.He wouldn’t have the ball to get doubled.

Al needs to man up.Another Center Ben Wallace 6′8 and they won a championship.Stop Crying Al

Najeh Davenpoop

March 25th, 2011
11:33 pm

“All these Super-Stars yall pine for? They don’t want yall!
Because yall don’t even show up for a game and when you do?
You’re in the stands being disrespectful, chanting MVP for the other team and buying Kobe’s Jersey. The only games yall show up for is the:”

If Kobe was a Hawk, all those people would be buying Hawks jerseys.

Joe deserves our appreciation for choosing to come here and go through the rebuilding process with this franchise. One day, when he comes to Philips as an opposing player, he deserves to be applauded, just like Bibby. But let’s face it — we know what this team’s ceiling is now, and we cannot expect this team to advance much farther than they have as long as Joe is the centerpiece of this team. If the Hawks want to blow up this team, they have to start with him.

slimjr

March 25th, 2011
11:34 pm

That is an interesting observation Najeh, JJ coming off the screen bout 15 feet from the rim an seems to be comfortable in that area. I am going to zero in on that tomorrow night!

slimjr

March 25th, 2011
11:36 pm

drmaryb mentioned this morning that the tin man was on 680 the fan with John Kincade…

Rusty

March 25th, 2011
11:37 pm

The reason this regime loved mb is because he let Joe take over the ball maybe thus justifying his salary but many here knew this would never win us anything. Look at all the other teams in the league don’t it appear that all of the other teams get a lot more easy baskets than we do, in order to win in this league you need a superstar but you also need a quick penetrating guard to break down the defense.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 25th, 2011
11:42 pm

If I’m not mistaken, the losses by NY, PHI, and IND today mean that the Hawks have clinched a playoff spot.

Harpie

March 25th, 2011
11:45 pm

All the Hawks’ suckiness goes back to having crap for a coach. Larry Drew is the worst coach in history!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 25th, 2011
11:45 pm

“And wow! ‘Cats outscore Boston by 15 in the 4th at the Garden, and win by 2″

That Kendrick Perkins trade might go down as one of the worst deadline trades ever. Boston basically went from the prohibitive favorite to win the East to just another flawed East contender. They pretty much threw away a chance at winning a title this year. That team is completely different now than it used to be with Perkins. And on the other side the Thunder are 6-1 with Perkins playing.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 25th, 2011
11:46 pm

“When will the Hawks retire “Kiss Cam?””

They do that in Staples Center too, so I’m assuming this is a league-wide thing.

Rev in Tampa

March 25th, 2011
11:59 pm

I’ve been watching Josh Harrelson play for Kentucky (Sr., 6′10″, 275 lb.). He is not special but very mean. He plays bigger than 6′10″. He might be a lower round draft pick that could help the Hawks. He could allow the Hawks to cut Etan, Josh Powell, and Jason Collins.

Booo!

March 26th, 2011
12:04 am

Poop,

I agree with one of your earlier posts. About the only thing we haven’t done is put the ball in the hands of out pointguards and let them rin the show…..even when Woody was here we rarely did it after we aquired Bibby.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 26th, 2011
12:09 am

“These comments by JJ go back to my dislike for Marvin as a basketball player so much. If the coach will simply look at the tape, the double team 9 times out of 10 is Marvin’s man because teams don’t have to check him. He is a self check. To add to that, none of the wing player or bigs cut to the rim when the double team comes, so JJ has to hesitate because everybody is standing around twiddling their thumbs, or waiting to shoot a 3 pointer. ”

In the interest of fairness, as frustrating as Marvin is, he probably does cut to the basket away from the ball more often than anyone else on the team. It’s fair to say neither he nor anyone else does this often enough, and as we know Marvin getting the ball near the hoop is by no means a sure thing, but I do consistently notice Marvin cutting more often than any of the Hawks’ other wing players.

ant banks

March 26th, 2011
12:28 am

i thought that woody used to look clueless as hell on the sidelines…larry drew has him beat. lol. he is WAAAYYY over his head. lol. and what’s up with some of those tattered suits he be wearing. lol

Booo!

March 26th, 2011
12:32 am

VCU squeaks by Florida State in overtime

Not Sund

March 26th, 2011
12:56 am

You know what fellas, as badly as this season has gone, it doesn’t seem so bad right now after a couple a drinks. Cheers!

Rev in Tampa

March 26th, 2011
12:59 am

JJ is who he is except this year.

I think this new offense has taken him out of his rhythm. I hate to say it, since I was such a fan of the motion offense when Drew first started talking about it, but I think this motion has to go. It has everybody out of rhythm – except for Jamal who refuses to run it. Come to think of it I have seen less and less of it from the whole team as the season wears on.

I get the feeling that the players like Drew so they are not publicly trashing him, but have tuned him out. If I was a part of this hot mess I might be tempted to tune out as well.

Cldub

March 26th, 2011
1:00 am

Its time to rebuild. This team looks talented but obviously they are not. Did they actually think getting Hinrich would make the Hawks any more of a contender. Joe Johnson way overpaid should have let him go. I would keep Al, Hinrich, Smith, Pachulla, Crawford, Teague and unfortunately with the deal Joe Johnson would have to stay. I would at least try to keep a rookie for developement Atlanta should have kept Jordan Crawford.

James on Pharr Rd

March 26th, 2011
1:10 am

Najah: why should we expect JJ to turn into a quick motion like Duranchula yet he has never been that type of player? It is not his game, thats why it’s easy for teams to sag in the lanes and clog up the paint against the Hawks-forcing us into Marvin jumpers. I wasn’t the biggest fan of the JJ contract, but in all honesty he gave us the points we asked from him-nobody questioned his style before the contract save for his lack of vocal leadership.
The Hawks were and will be for a while a playground style team that has no traditional style of play or identity. Thats JJ’s style of play-he probably can adjust, but he needs a lot of dribbles to get his shot, no quick motion period.

James on Pharr Rd

March 26th, 2011
1:14 am

Barring a reconstruction from Management down, Atlanta will become the Detroit Pistons of now.We aren’t going to tank enough games to get in the lottery and we sure aren’t trading our way into The Eastern Conference Finals. Let’s all be realistic-we have to pick our poison-short or long term demise?

Nunna!!

March 26th, 2011
1:15 am

Wow I was just looking over the 4th qtr of the hawks-bulls game with my cuzz and letting him see what da fuss about Teague’s playing time was about and i got the chance to see the downplayed incident with zsa zsa and LD.
After Jamaal passed to an open zsa zsa at the free throw line,the ball hit the left side of the rim kinda loud,A BRICK!!!
Then Zsa was pulled out for Powell.As Zsa Zsa went to the end of the bench he remained standing and i think he was then answering LD’s comment about how that was not his shot to be taking.
Twin then got in front of Zsa Zsa because a “charging” LD was stomping down towards him at the end of the bench but LD was intercepted and blocked from going after Zsa by none other than Joe Johnson.

It looked more serious than what we saw reported on this blog.

James on Pharr Rd

March 26th, 2011
1:19 am

What if we traded JJ for whichever 3/4 players and developed AH and one of our trades as go to guys for 1/1/2 seasons as we play for better draft picks and salary flexibility. I wouldnt even mind keeping Smoove and molding him into a go to guy. If AH and JS got 15-20 shots a game for over a season, I think their games can come up.By 2013/14 we can make our push again with a more balanced squad.

All this would happen with a coach like Larry Brown-yes, that flake of a coach-good teacher though.

moboman

March 26th, 2011
1:23 am

Nothing wrong with how they ran JJ and Bibby together, with Bibby setting up for the open jumper. We were more dangerous offensively with Bibby around. (I know — no D) Hate that we gave up JC2. That was a bargain draft pick we gave away in JC2. Nothing against Hinrich, but we gave up one player too many. I would rather have seen JC2 get minutes than Teague. As for Teague and his DNP-CD’s, I dont blame LD. JT too often looks like a confused child playing in a man’s league. My take is that LD would love to be playing him more, but he’s not earning the minutes. One or two good games does not earn regular minutes. A point guard has to take charge when hes in the game, and I just dont see Teague doing it when he’s in. Yes he’s quick, but thats not enough. His quickness isnt translating to lock down defending, and he’s a non factor in the half court offense. All that translates to DNP’s.

moboman

March 26th, 2011
1:27 am

On another note, could they have picked a worse cut-away song for the NCAA tourney??? How many times do we have to listen to that whiny voice. That aint hoops music.

James on Pharr Rd

March 26th, 2011
1:31 am

Nunna: sounds like LD just wanted to straighten out an easy scape goat for his frustration

mykhalc

March 26th, 2011
1:37 am

LD can thank Joe saved his ass!!! Zaza woulda pulverized him…Popeye style!!!LOL

Wabe

March 26th, 2011
1:54 am

I’m growing tired of the double team argument.

Sure, JJ gets doubled time and time again, but when throughout his career here with the Hawks has he not been the center of a defenses attention? He’s always been *the guy* here in Atlanta, and I’m sure most teams that play the Hawks have been well aware of this for some time.

Also, you’d think now that JJ shouldn’t be the victim of more double-teams, because many of our young “core” peices have had time in the league to develop, and thus should pose more of a threat offensively. Guys like J.Smith and Al should force teams to double a lot less, but our surrounding casts still doesn’t earn a defenses respect enough for them not to double.

Is it the surrounding casts lack of development or the system (or lack of a system)?

Teams are willing to let Horford have the 12-15 FT jumper. They don’t see Horford taking over games with him shooting the ball from back there.

Teams aren’t afraid of J.Smith when he’s standing out beyond the arc somewhere.

Our gaurds dominate the ball too often. The problem is simple, the offense needs to run through Horford/Smith, which would open up better looks for the gaurds. Just because JJ’s our $126 million guy doesn’t mean he needs to dominate the rock. Get a real PG in the game that can facilitate and run the offense. Run the offense through Horford/Smith *in the post*. That’ll set up better looks for the gaurds. It’s hard to say you want to work the ball inside-out but then have the ball swinging on the perimeter till the shot clock gets down to 10 and then you hand it off to JJ for a desperation look. Feed that ball inside earlier in the possession.

Last season, J.Smith showed a side of his game that we haven’t seen nearly enough this season. J.Smith was a hell of a passing big man. But, he’s shyed away from the post this season, and IMO, it’s taken a toll on this aspect of his game.

There are so many things one can point to that are lacking, and so many quick fixes, but the problem is, the list of things wrong is never-ending. Even if you got it all right from an X’s and O’s standpoint, this team just lacks *it*. This “core” is too comfortable with one another. Things have been running one way (IE – JJ being “the man” – controlling the rock) for too long that everybody walks around on this team with the mindset that they can’t/won’t step into that role. Handing JJ that $126 million contract wasn’t just a bad contract financially, but it affects the team mentally too. Because when you’ve got the $126 million man on your team, he’s the featured guy, even if he shouldn’t be. He’s the guy the offense will run through, even if it shouldn’t run through him. Too many people on this team are content with their roles on this team. They grown up together learning to play with one another, and they’ve played with one another one way: the JJ experience. They need to take the training wheels off and assume control of this team. When they take control of this team, we’ll take a major step forward. JJ’s ceilings not gonna be too much higher than where it’s at now. We need other members of this core to step in and take control.

Wabe

March 26th, 2011
1:55 am

My bad for the lengthy post.

Booo!

March 26th, 2011
2:09 am

I guess this means Sergiy Gladyr will be JJ’s backup next season? He’s a nice player…a little foul prone, but seems to be a little better defensively than JC2 IMHO. I’d perfer a hard foul than just giving someone an easy stroll to the basket (the crawfords) then again, JC2 was only a rookie and we all see the defensive jump Teage made between year 1 & 2

calihawks

March 26th, 2011
2:20 am

Thats if LD lets teague play… i wonder why teagues is in his dog house is he not playin the way he wants him to play … Jamal crawford as no defensive he just lets people go by him and then jacks up shots left and right…. Dont the best players in the league get doubled team..Always seem JJ over dribbles and when that happends he gets sloppy and 4gets about his teammates like if u can do it all by himself. He aint no lebron and def aint Kode so pass the dam ball JJ!!!!

cunningham sucks!

March 26th, 2011
2:21 am

this team is going down and out. In 1 year we went from 1 to 2 players from competing for a championship to gee I hope we make the playoffs. Way to go, sund drew cunningham.

CONGRATULATIONS TO CLAYTONSTATEUNIVERSITY ON THEIR NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!!! I BELIEVE THEY CAN BET THE HAWKS.

Grandad

March 26th, 2011
2:45 am

Rev in Tampa

Don’t blame the motion offense !
They don’t run ` `the’ ‘ motion offense.
They don’t run as much Iso, but it ain’t motion.
Plus, if it has everyone out of rhythm,
then who’s to say running quick hitters,
—or—
set plays,
—or—
plays out of sets,
would not make them all out of sorts.

Sorry to disagree, but it’s the players not the plays.

DJK

March 26th, 2011
7:40 am

First off the offense is just to get players in position, the players have to make plays within the offense no excuse. Stop giving JJ an excuse the problem is LD is not using his bench wisely that is the problem. If your guys are stuggling and only shooting jumpers it is hard to get out of a slump. And then when we do go to the free throw line they still miss, which to me is a lack of focus. These guys where fine at the beginning of the year because they bought in to the system. The system has not failed they failed the system with the poor results, no passion, and no respect for their craft. Back to the failed rotation if you have a player stuggling on any level of competiton, the board room etc, you replace that ass with no hard feelings this is business not personal, waiting for them to get their groove back(Joe and Jamal) may cost LD his job I hope he can handle that decision. The shots that guys get are simple in the NBA just as we have all seen Big Baby from Boston continue to hit the exact same shot that KG does because that is what is available in their offense. So for all the shots that we miss it is unprofessionalism that makes us continue to take those shots knowing that we have not practiced them enough to make them on a consistent basis. Bottom line until we develop heart on the player side and coaching/mangement we won’t go any further no matter who is here!

drmaryb (*_-)

March 26th, 2011
7:51 am

“James. Did we get what we paid for by giving iso Joe all that money. I certainly knew better about that”
______________________

Joe’s salary shouldn’t have cost you/we/us/me a dime. That’s the inly problem I have with people constantly bringing up the salary. A Basketball player can never quantify his salary, but that’s how the pie is split. ASKG makes 10 times more, but you never any complaints about their income levels. It is what it is. Hopefully, we can get back to basketball talk and less about how much a player makes.

I seriously doubt the mental midget will let that go of beating that drum to death. It does get old hearing it, at least to me anyways. I could care less what anybody makes, outside of myself. It’s no skin off my wallet.

Go Figure!

Trojan

March 26th, 2011
8:13 am

I say that we should fire LD and hire the cheapest assistant to lead our team. Then we use our 2nd round picks on someone that would never be drafted in 10 rounds of picks, then we sign for the vet minimum who ever is left unsigned at the end of the free agent season to round out the team. But most of all don’t trust a young person like Teague to contribute and let’s protect the CORE!

ATLER (RAMBLIN WRECK)

March 26th, 2011
8:14 am

Man it’s getting hard to defend J.J. I just keep my mouth closed for now.

sam'l

March 26th, 2011
9:13 am

Since we are revisiting the good ole days, let’s focus on the cute and adorable Mike Bibby. We all know Bibbty can’t play defense, yet with Miami he shuffles back and forth from player to player and knocks away passes and shuts down defenders. and enjoys star status on the league’s starriest team.

Woody sure didn’t get the best mileage out of Bibby…….

JoJo the Godfather

March 26th, 2011
9:43 am

Too much disecting of the offense. Play Teague. Let these guys push the tempo and have fun. This is a very athletic team with bigs that can handle the ball. This team has got to start having fun on the court. You’ve got 10 games to fix things. Orlando & Chicago is not a bad draw in the playoffs. Much rather have those two than Boston & Miami.

Teague, Johnson, Smith, Horford & Pachulia to start.
Hinrich, Crawford, Wilkins, Williams & Armstrong off the bench.
Both groups are built to run.
Powell & Collins only see the floor to foul Dwight Howard or Shaq.

JoJo the Godfather

March 26th, 2011
9:50 am

1st round matchup:

Teague / Nelson
Johnson / J. Richardson
Smith / Turkoglu
Horford / Bass
Pachulia & Collins / Howard

Hinrich / Arenas & Duhon
Crawford / Redick
Wilkins / Q. Richardson
Williams / Anderson

Ben

March 26th, 2011
9:53 am

The coaching change provided no help, new direction, motivation for players. Be brave. Go ahead and make another coaching change. But this time put some effort into getting the right coach. If players don’t play with heart,inspired after a third coach, then no doubt problem must be with some player’s attitudes. Then some roster moves will have to be made to play championship ball

Damn Teague

March 26th, 2011
9:59 am

@drmaryb Salary does matter! I am sure if joe was making the mid level exception then how he is perceived in the city and this blog would be different. But since he just signed a max contract then fans are gonna hold him to a max player standard. And the reason his salary is not as high as some of tohse players you name is because NBA players are paid on an escalating scale, so when Joe gets near the end of his contract his annual salary will be higher than those players you made reference to, and he will possibly be the highest paid or one of the top paid players in the NBA. I would have like to seen the Hawks offer joe the 5yr-96mil contract that the other teams were allowed to offer and seen how true his desire to stay here really was.

But thats irrelevant now. This roster is the team we have. And even with the flaws in that roster that is always discussed here (Needing a true center, a defednder, etc.) This team should still be better than a 40win team in the East at this point in the season. And LD is the reason! Do you all really hear his justification for not playing Teague and Damien now? He said he needed to play Jamal more minutes to get him going? Since when does playing badly earn you more minutes? Specially at the cost of players who actually play with effort on a consistent basis? Sometime the stuff he says is Laughable

joey

March 26th, 2011
10:02 am

,joe is the problem he has the talent to torch teams but hes to passive and has no killer instinct and for those of you who think we should trade josh smith are crazy if j smith can just play like he did against philly we could be a elite team

nes

March 26th, 2011
10:08 am

Hello everyone, here is another update on Jordan Crawford from last night, Remember he couldn’t play for the lowly Hawks! 34 minutes, 19 points, 4 assists, 2 steals! Just thinking we kept Jamal Crawford who can only score when he is in a groove, and we should have kept Jordan Crawford who is just showing his early potential as a STARTER for Washington Wizards. This trade is going to come back and haunt the HAwks, L.D. who will not be back next year, and that stupid GM Sund, if don’t believe he is stupid, just check his previous GM stops with other teams, never made a good trade or draft ever!

cdog

March 26th, 2011
10:21 am

what’s wrong with the hawks? very simple.the mistreatment and underminding of mike woodson.remember, you reap what you sow. that’s whats going on with the hawks.rick sund and countless others did woodson wrong now its coming back on them.OUR GOD IS A GOOD GOD.HE PLAINLY TELLS US THAT VENGEANCE IS HIS.

Not Sund

March 26th, 2011
10:37 am

@: CONGRATULATIONS TO CLAYTON STATE UNIVERSITY ON THEIR NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!!! I BELIEVE THEY CAN BET THE HAWKS.

I second the congratulations TO the CSU Lady Lakers. No they couldn’t beat the Hawks but they Hawks could sure as heck learn something for Them. Like what it’s like to compete, and what it’s like to play together, and what it’s like to put your foot on an opponents throat and beat them down.

The CSU Lady Lakers could show the Hawks how to win.

lp

March 26th, 2011
10:43 am

that 5 yr 96 mil is the same contract he got just minus 1 yr.

Choosen1

March 26th, 2011
10:46 am

Alot of people on here say that JJ is more of a Robin then a Batman which is not really the case because teams make their plans around makin him a non-factor and that damages our offense. With that being said how about we change our offense with him playin Robin’s role but doing Batman’s damage. We should make Josh our #1 option (In the post) and let Johnson fed off him. Josh is Batman when operating in the post and if he works on a go to move this Kid could be an elite player. which would allow JJ to be the clean-up man. what do you guys think

terrell

March 26th, 2011
10:55 am

lol @ LD putting JJ in Durant territory. Two different levels Larry.

JoJo the Godfather

March 26th, 2011
11:00 am

Nes…Here are some more stats on Jordan Crawford. He takes more shots per minute than anyone on Washington’s team. This results in a FG% of 39.5% (20.7% from 3). That would be the worst on our team, just as when he was with us (35% FG’s). He also turns the ball over 2.5 times per game in just 28 minutes per, compared to 3.1 assists per game.

With that being said, I was hoping that Jordan would be a part of this team for a long time. I like the kid as a 5th guard until he matures. But he’s going to have to learn to defend and play under control at some point.

Navigator

March 26th, 2011
11:03 am

Remember the team savior Steve Smith, well the situation (and results) are the same except the name is Joe Johnson. Phoenix got rid of him because he is a superstar (except in his own mind), but the Hawks managed to also give him Michael Jordan dollars. He will never help this team move up a level, and he’s way too expensive to be trade fodder. Unless the Hawks can get a real owner, real coach, and move out of the hole they call Phillips Arena, the franchise is doomed.

terrell

March 26th, 2011
11:05 am

lol @ Jae Revolution for sayin Marvin was a good finisher at the rim.
lol @ LD for watching Durant tape. Two different players, Two different levels Larry.

MsDee

March 26th, 2011
11:08 am

I would LOVE to have Steve Smith as the new head coach with the Stinger as the Top assistant!! But than again, the team are TOO close to them and might not respect them like they should.

MsDee

March 26th, 2011
11:13 am

Both those guys KNOW basketball and will sit Josh’s butt if he continues to shoot jumpers. But than again, I think Josh only shoots like that cause Joe waits and waits and waits b4 he shoots the ball. Both those guys DO NOT PLAY WELL TOGETHER!! ONE MUST GO if us fans wants to see good ball from this team. As much as we dont like LD, it might not be ALL his fault, just Joe & Josh being on the team together might be a key.

TheAntiMe

March 26th, 2011
11:15 am

Joe has basically always been a one trick pony on offense, his one trick being: Catch the pass, dribble around aimlessly for 21 seconds, toss up a rainbow and hope that it falls. Joe says that if he can’t dribble the ball like one of the Globetrotters every time he touches the ball, then somebody else can shoot the dang ball!

Besides, MC, how is Joe supposed to be able to look for his mojo when he has to spend all of his time this season breaking in a knuckle-headed rookie head coach?

TWO WORDS

March 26th, 2011
11:18 am

OVER PAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!

julius

March 26th, 2011
11:26 am

fire the coach get a point guard trade joe, zaza, and for sure trade soft garbage marvin williams this dude got paid and he sucks

The Game Has Changed

March 26th, 2011
11:31 am

Alright,yall get off Joe. He just needs to be more selfish. He is a top 5 SG. How many shooting guards have been to the playoffs three years in a row and avg 20,5,5. On two. Kobe and Joe. If yall want to complain about a guard making too much money holla at M. Redd. 18 million a year and he has played in 36 games the last three years. @Choosen1-The problem would be getting Josh to commit to the post.

The Game Has Changed

March 26th, 2011
11:34 am

So what if he is over paid. Stop Hating. A brother can take care of his family for generations to come.

Salvador Gonzalez

March 26th, 2011
11:35 am

CAN THE HAWKS SEND JOE´S “TALENTS” TO A RICH TEAM LIKE THE KNICKS OR NEW JERSEY?
JUST GET RID OF HIM!!!!!! THE FRANCHISE HAS NO FUTURE BECAUSE OF HIS CONTRACT!!!!

drmaryb (*_-)

March 26th, 2011
11:55 am

“But thats irrelevant now. This roster is the team we have. And even with the flaws in that roster that is always discussed here (Needing a true center, a defednder, etc.) This team should still be better than a 40win team in the East at this point in the season.”
_________________

This is my point. I could care less how much a basketball player makes. How many times do we have to beat a dead horse on the daily.
I could give a rats tail how much money this ASKG spends, its no skin off my nose.

For all I care, the can spend until the Luxury Tax becomes illegal.
It’s all irrelevant to me as a fan!

joey

March 26th, 2011
11:57 am

again, joe is the problem he has the talent to torch teams but hes to passive and has no killer instinct and for those of you who think we should trade josh smith are crazy if j smith can just play like he did against philly we could be a elite team

Woody

March 26th, 2011
12:13 pm

most of the teams that made trades at the deadline are going through an adjustment period. Hawks are coasting a little but if that keeps them fresh for the playoffs then I am ok with it. Playoffs are a whole new season. Hawks will be a better playoff team and win the first round. word

O'Brien

March 26th, 2011
12:19 pm

Question for the blog.

If Josh would consistently play to his strengths (focus on defense, rebounding, filling the lane, and playing in the post), and change his attitude, would you then trade Horford or Josh?

Not Sund

March 26th, 2011
12:36 pm

If Josh would play the right way we wouldn’t need to trade Horford, instead we would be looking for finishing pieces to make us a legitimate contender. As the teams most dynamic player I think he makes the other players crazy with his decision making. Yes, I think Josh could be that good, that’s why he plays drives me to drink.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfyFI-4ZsaE&feature=BF&list=MLGxdCwVVULXdYo83uFspHggbnqgz9mSNP&index=26

Damn Teague

March 26th, 2011
12:37 pm

@drmaryb Agreed!

darrell starks

March 26th, 2011
12:37 pm

WHAT WRONG WITH JOE? TEAGUE NOT STARTING.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

March 26th, 2011
12:43 pm

Teague wake up everybody, but when he is not out there starting the hawks seen 2 drag there feet with no energy, joe need a guard that push the ball up court so he can run and score easily along with josh and horford, this why i feel josh should play the 3 and horford at the 4 so they can get out and run more.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man Man

March 26th, 2011
12:43 pm

Joe would get doubled if he would catch and shoot instead of catching and dribbling all the time.He is a bad ball handler.

darrell starks

March 26th, 2011
12:54 pm

O’Brien i say you can keep josh, horford but coah LD have to play them 2 there strength, horford at 4 josh at 3 is there strength.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

March 26th, 2011
12:56 pm

Jamal 10mill come of the books next year, can hawks get tyson chandler next year.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

March 26th, 2011
12:59 pm

2011 STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, TYSON
BENCH HINRICH, DAMIEN, MARVIN, ZAZA, HILTON
RESERVE POWELL, COLLINS
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

March 26th, 2011
1:00 pm

MIKE BROWN OR BILL LAIMBEER COACH NEXT YEAR.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

drmaryb (*_-)

March 26th, 2011
1:01 pm

O’B

If Josh does all this, he could be that SF who doesn’t force outside shots in lieu of a better inside look. Then why trade either? Just add a big man and iron out that PG diema. We’re set with starters.

Build the bench and we can contend. We are still not that far off, but we have taken a step back with the coaching carousel. I remember Chris Webber describing Nellie-Ball as crazy. He would play 5 guards and one of them at Center and win! He would drive other teams crazy by making them match his crazy line ups. Chris said even he played Center.

The Hawks need an innovative coach to make this crazy roster work.
I’d rather see some Luxury Tax spending to get all the right pieces.
I could care less what it costs them? They owe us!

darrell starks

March 26th, 2011
1:15 pm

drmaryb i cosign
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rusty

March 26th, 2011
1:15 pm

What the hawks need the most is a real coach. They need a fast penetrating pg , I think jt can be that but will ld not playing him it’s hard to tell, I don’t think kh fits that bill. We need someone who will make this team run & not play that slow tempo half court game with nothing but jump shots.

darrell starks

March 26th, 2011
1:16 pm

drmaryb WHO WOULD LIKE 2 COACH HAWKS NEXT YEAR ?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

The Game Has Changed

March 26th, 2011
1:18 pm

@Salvador-The Hawks have money. Its up to them if they want to spend. Phillips Arena is paid for. They have much loot to work for. Our payrole is aroudn 65-70million. If they want to go over the cap to bring in more talent and more butts in the seats then thats what they need to do. Signing Shaq would have increased attendance by 20%. Not to mention adding about 10 more games in the win column. So signing Joe has nothing to do with bringing in more talent. They didnt even want to pay Shaq 5 million.

darrell starks

March 26th, 2011
1:36 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dK1-PIXoA

SALVADOR

March 26th, 2011
1:42 pm

The Game Has Changed,
I AM WITH YOU 100%!!!!!

darrell starks

March 26th, 2011
1:43 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex34K8trUAE

joey

March 26th, 2011
1:46 pm

23

darrell starks

March 26th, 2011
1:52 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGmu_9PBj90

northcyde

March 26th, 2011
2:01 pm

Darrell . . you do know why that 2003 Detroit team made that big of a turnaround, right? I know you want to give Laimbeer most, if not all of the credit . . but the biggest reason for the turnaround, was Karl Malone’s daughter, Cheryl Ford.

They went from a team that didn’t have a center or a low post presence whatsoever . . to a team that added the best rebounding “big woman” in the game, who could also score on the low block. Her addition transformed that team offensively, enabling them to take on some of the more elite teams like a LA Sparks or Houston Comets. They were always solid defensively, but now, they could compete offensively. And back then, Swin Cash was playing damn near like young Grant Hill, with her all-around game.

So what we REALLY NEED, is to add a center like that to the Hawks . . or have Horford play like a dominant big man who will lead the league in rebounding, while getting his offensively in the paint.

Worldwide Clyde

March 26th, 2011
2:04 pm

FIRE ASG
FIRE SUND
FIRE LD

northcyde

March 26th, 2011
2:04 pm

The problem this season with JJ, is that this offense seems to believe that everybody can be a scoring threat, much like the Celtics of a few years ago. That was Drew’s intent with the new offense. To have

Worldwide Clyde

March 26th, 2011
2:07 pm

The problem with JJ is that he really doesn’t want to be here.

atlgent

March 26th, 2011
2:14 pm

drmaryb (*_-) and Najeh Davenpoop,

It is such a pleasure to read your posts. I normally SMH at may of the idiotic post which ask for centers out of thin air and trades involving superstar players on other teams for bench players on ours….WTF

I just wonder how much overall basketball knowledge, including the business side of the sport, some posters possess!

atlgent

March 26th, 2011
2:15 pm

“many of the idiotic posts” I meant

Worldwide Clyde

March 26th, 2011
2:24 pm

atlsimp instead of atlgent

sam'l

March 26th, 2011
2:40 pm

I will admit this. The exact same *%$@* that went on with Woodson is going on with Drew. Which means a large part of the problem is walking around in a Hawks jersey possibly hung over and wondering how to spend his millions.

The blog is fun and perhaps real friends can be made on ths blog…..okay, all well and good.

But a sale is the only thing that makes any sense……The Hawks were dressed up for a sale and their value does not keep going up and up like it used to….so the “real estate value” is gone.

We know this team could win a first round this year, but it isn’t going to happen. The team is gonna be sold and it’s probably gonna move. So teague for Hinrich and joe johnson’s millions and josh smith’s horrible/brilliant performances and the great curse of Woodson coming back to haunt the Hawks is all pretty much passe. The team lacked brains and humility and it’s pretty much over. .

They don’t stand for what the fans respect, guts and fight and creativity and pride…..not knocking down some player in a fit of anger….pride in sealing off the basket and running screens and knocking away passes.

. When it finally sinks in, some of these players and hopefully Gearon…., they MIGHT shed a tear or two in sadness……for what could have been.

So MC, are you hot on the sale rumors? You’ve only got the biggest paper in town on your side….do yourself a favor and call Mike Fratello….He sounds like he knows the score…..
.

atlgent

March 26th, 2011
2:45 pm

lol @ Worldwide Clyde…..

not saying that others don’t create great posts, those 2 along with northcyde are very passionate aout the Hawks but also look at things from a realistic point of view. The team is what it is! There are great pieces and not so great pieces. Some of the pieces do outstanding things from time to time but also knuckleheaded and off the wall things..i.e Josh Smith. But one thing that you can not say about Josh is that he isn’t passionate about the sport and is not a tremendous ASSET to the team. We should not wat to rid ourselves of Josh but effort a way to find a coach to centrally focus his talents. JJ is an asset. Horford is and asset but he has toWANT to bang like a Center instead of be passive i the aint ala Dirk Nowitzi (sp). He is nowhere near the offensive talent as Dirk so he should not FINESSE his paint game. That FINESSE is also possibly affecting defense because he has gotten soft as of late. Everyone else except Wilkins is expendable but, if their games can be reigned in, could be an asset if coached properly.

As I said in another blog, there are no specialists on this squad, therefore there is no accountability from game to game.

northcyde

March 26th, 2011
2:55 pm

The most telling thing to me about JJ’s game this season, is that the offense doesn’t play to his strengths anymore.

When you look at a player’s career, you want to look for trends, and throw out statistical anomalies. The 48% from 3 that JJ shot back in his last year in Phoenix as a catch and shoot guy, has to be looked at as a statistical anomaly. He is NOT that good of a 3 point shooter. Not even close. Take out that year, and he’s basically an average and borderline schizophrenic 3 point shooter.

What he is, is a decent midrange shooter off the dribble or via catch and shoot . . . a very good passer and ballhandler . . . a big guard with a good post game . . . and a guy who is crafty enough to get his own shot off and make it.

But this offense in the first few months, had JJ playing an almost Ray Allen like role on this team. While he got better wide open looks from the perimeter, especially from 3, he wasn’t playing to his strengths.

In January, he did play more to his strengths, even though he only shot 35% from three. But he was far more aggressive in getting into the paint, and the midrange jumper started falling. He was also getting up around 20 shots a game.

The statistics show that the shot JJ needs to be looking to take the most, is the floater. Get him the ball in that 15 – 18 foot area, and see if he can get within 10 feet of the rim to shoot the floater. Or post him up, and let him work against the smaller guard.

Also, having the ball in his hands and letting him take an even contested midrange jumper, is a better play than letting him take a 3 pointer. Like Smith, he really shouldn’t even be shooting that shot this year, especially not at a 4 to 5 three point attempts per game clip. And if he misses 2 in a row, he should abandon it altogether.

I wouldn’t have a problem running offense through Horford or Smith, if they actually ran the offense from the low block or even the high post. But when that happens, they also have to be able to create their own shot and make it.

Because since neither guy can efficiently create their own shot in that situation ( Smith is actually better than this than Horford ), teams can simply play both guys straight up, while still keeping their attention on JJ without the ball.

In the end, you can’t have a guy that you look toward to lead your team offensively, taking 16 shots a game. Not on this team with the limited offensive players we have.

We are NOT Boston or Phoenix. Most of these guys need to be set up in order to make a shot. And they don’t shoot the jumper well enough to even rely on that all the time. Without someone who can score down on the block, it’s important to keep the ball in the hands of a guy who can set up others for shots.

If that guy is Hinrich or Teague, then they need to do this when on the floor. But even those two are more of the combo scoring guard nature, than a true PG.

With the way this team is set up, the ball has to be in JJ’s hands and he needs to be looking to score the basketball in the areas he’s most comfortable in.

Can’t run a motion offense with schizophrenic jumpshooters. And everybody with the exception of Horford and Hinrich ( even though what he’s doing so far here is a statistical anomaly ) is a schizophrenic jumpshooter.

It’s just crazy how this season has gone.

- JJ is taking almost 2 less shots per game, scoring less, and can’t hit a 3 consistently

- Smith will take 150+ threes this year, after only taking 7 threes total last year

- Al has found his niche as a catch and shoot guy, at the expense of him scoring in the post, which still leaves us deficient of post scoring.

- Jamal is back to being a player that I always despised. Speaking of statistical anomalies, last year was his anomaly.

- Marvin is having almost the exact same year that he did last year.

- Teague is in a “doghouse” unlike any other player in Hawks history.

- And we had our last losing month right before Bibby joined the Hawks, but had our first losing month in 3 years immediately after he left. If it doesn’t turn around, we can officially label this “The Curse of Mike Bibby”.

northcyde

March 26th, 2011
3:12 pm

@ atlgent . . . that’s a good point you made about “specialists”. We really don’t have one.

- a defensive lockdown defender? . . People say that’s Damien, but the numbers say otherwise. But he’s the closest.

- a 3 point specialist? . . . Hinrich? But dang, he’s the PG.

- the energy guy? . . . People want that to be Teague

- the fierce rebounder? . . . Zaza maybe ( on the offensive boards )

It’s kind of the reason why I wish that Drew would consider starting Teague and Zaza, with JJ, Smith, and Horford. I don’t particularly like Smith being at SF, but he has handled playing that better than what I thought he would. But to start halves, I would rather Teague and Zaza be playing with our better players, than to bring them off the bench and look to them to do more than what they’re capable of.

Drew is going to have to find a combination that will sustain the Hawks for the ENTIRE game. Too often, we have a bad mix out on the court for maybe a 4 minute stretch, that sees this team look like absolute garbage.

You got 3 weeks to find a combo that works Larry.

O'Brien

March 26th, 2011
3:18 pm

northcyde,

All the Hawks have done is overpay to keep their players. I have not seen any serious attempt to bring in the right role players.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 26th, 2011
3:27 pm

“The 48% from 3 that JJ shot back in his last year in Phoenix as a catch and shoot guy, has to be looked at as a statistical anomaly. He is NOT that good of a 3 point shooter. Not even close. ”

You give Steve Nash and Mike D’Antoni too little credit. Joe is not the only player who put up much better numbers from 3 playing in that system — look at Shawn Marion and Channing Frye for example, or even Shawne Williams now with the Knicks.

In any case, as Joe gets older he is going to have to make adjustments to his game. If you ask me, the guy whose game he has to start emulating as he gets older is Paul Pierce, who despite having below average explosiveness has steadily become a more reliable jump shooter as he has gotten older, to compensate for the fact that his body can’t take the punishment of 11-12 trips per game to the free throw line. Joe already can’t get to the line, so the least he can do is become a deadly shooter from outside so as to provide him more avenues to score as he gets older. I don’t think it is asking too much for him to, you know, work on his game and continue to get better, given the investment the Hawks have made in him.

I MUS WRITE

March 26th, 2011
3:36 pm

How is it that our PF and C are shooting better from the outside than our PG/SG? Yet some people complain,Put your enery into -Why has Joe played so poorly this year? Why is jamal less effective under LD vs Woodson. Why doesnt teague get minutes instead of DNPs?.Why am I drinking moscato at 3 in the evening? If god had a name what would it be? Who killed Jimmy Hoffa and Biggie Smalls? Y do u blow your hot breath on food to cool it? Does counting sheep really make u sleepy. How is it that sum of the most powerful men in the world homosexual (adolf hitler Julius ceasar)- No gay basher here…..Why is it raining and i want to be out doors. Y is afrojack ft.eva simmons -take over control -the hottest house ive heard all year.

I would give Josh a C+ as a post player -i think he becomes less effective solely playing in the post.. If we could get him to tae half of his shots down there great but i dont see it happening in this jump shot happy offense.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 26th, 2011
3:49 pm

Coach ‘Em Up!

darrell starks

I like Jeff Van Gundy to coach my Hawks..

I’ll never forget the little guy hanging onto Alonzo Mourning’s leg, like a flea flicker, in a play off series where Dennis Rodman got under Zo’s skin, (I believe Dennis grabbed his junk).

Man, little Van Gundy flew in there and coach was riding Zo’s leg like it was a mechanical bull! Classic stuff for real. We need a coach who will fight for a win and be that team leader and button pusher to motivate these soft personalities and keep Josh on the inside.

I really don’t mind Josh taking a few threes, within the context of the games. Sort of like Rasheed Wallace and Chris Webber did.
What bothers me about Mr. Drew is his refusal to play Teague, whatsoever. From what I have seen, Jeff is a good and humble kid who possesses a really good attitude. Besides, we are thirsty for a PG. Why not see what we got before we go on a shopping spree?

drmaryb (*_-)

March 26th, 2011
4:11 pm

Secret Admirer!

atlgent, thank you Sir, for the shout out. I must admit I rather enjoy your posts as well. Najeh is one of my huge favorites. Najeh communicates on a very high level and leaves out all the emotional stuff.

I’m not real high on emotional outbursts myself, but sure do enjoy a good laugh and a few low jabs below the belt does me just fine.
I love a good ole’ cat fight now and then. I fight dirty! LOL!

It’s all about the fun though and Hawks Basketball, of course.

jhan

March 26th, 2011
4:12 pm

The Game Has Changed – how would Shaq’s broken down ass equated to 10 more wins? He couldn’t keep healthy in Boston when they only needed spot minutes from him. A young healthy Shaq maybe – but not the current version of him.

DWBaller

March 26th, 2011
4:33 pm

Trade him (or Marvin) to Minnesota for Anthony Randolph. Have Randolph compete with Josh Smith. Joe is not getting it done. Keep paying the salary if you have to do it. Need more moves but it sends a message you want to win and nobody is safe!

Booo!

March 26th, 2011
4:41 pm

All of these posts are just further advocation for the three guard lineup of Teaue, Kirk, and Joe.

JJ is in a slump and needs the backcourt responsibilities taken off of him for a while so he can foucus soley on scoring and getting back into a rythym.

Also, JJ is no PP. Pual is shorter than JJ but Paul has pretty much an unguardable post-up jumper. JJ’s release point is much lower than guys like Pierce and kobe. Actually Joe has a comparable release point to Durant, but Durant has FIVE inches on JJ so its a moot point. Though, I do beleive JJ can thrive at the Small forward position simply because he will get more spot-up oppourtinities(a la marvin) with Kirk and Teague in the backcourt alongside him.

Booo!

March 26th, 2011
4:43 pm

I also beleive that Kirk is more suited for the SG spot than Joe because of the fact that he doesn’t hesistate to shoot. All he needs is a sliver of daylight and he will let it fly, which is what you want out of your shooting guard. Oh, and he plays a little D unlike Jamal.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 26th, 2011
4:45 pm

ICONIC BLOGGER’s LIST!

Psyche! I ran this list last year and like a Grammy Winner?
I left off too many names. I’m too start to go down that road again.
I had forgotten to mention “worldwide clyde” among many others.

I will say this though, between The Hawks Blog featuring MC and
The Fan’s Nest featuring Blu-Ray, we have the best bloggers in the world.
I’ve seen other fan blogs and we have no competition whatsoever.

By the time I go back and forth with MC’s people, I have little to no time left to visit other blogs due to work. But, I enjoy the personal converstions between the bloggers more than anything else though.

Booo!

March 26th, 2011
4:54 pm

northcyde,

Im feelin’ that lineup with Teague and Zaza in it.

Not Sund

March 26th, 2011
5:51 pm

atlgent, what would a blog or sports talk radio or most any conversation about sports be without idiotic comments?

I like the new feature ESPN is usimg with MLD broadcasts, it shows the location of every pitch relative to the strike zone in real time. They have it sitting right over home plate as the batter hits.

I’ll bitch about the Hawks later tonight after they give us new material to work with.

The Game Has Changed

March 26th, 2011
5:54 pm

@Northcyde-Man Im at work. That has got to be the longest comment in history. lol But you are right. This offense doesnt work for us. It reminds me of a rapper who already has some rhymes together and just puts it to the first beats he hears. They dont match. But we are going to be okay.

The Game Has Changed

March 26th, 2011
6:00 pm

@JHAN-You are not looking at the big picture. First of all, they play better when the highlight factory is packed. Not to mention how Shaq could help in practice with the other Centers on the team. Now think about this one stat. We are next to last in second chance points. So think about all the games we lost by 1-5 points. Just having Shaq healthy for 15 games could have made a difference.

bigdave

March 26th, 2011
6:02 pm

after going down to phillips and watching the Hawks lose consecutive home games vs NY and LA i said..

“@ this point.. i think shots are coming from guys that dont need to be shooting the damn ball. open looks too. i think Joe needs to focus on getting up 20+ shots a night.”

8 games later, this is still the case. an aggressive Joe makes those around him better. passive Joe, well.. i present to you the Atlanta hawks since about mid Feb.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 26th, 2011
6:13 pm

Mr. Manning!

Danny Manning’s father passed away, (RIP).
IDK, but he played for six teams in the NBA.
He was 68 years old.

Condolences to the Manning family and Ex-Hawks player.

Dezz Nuttz

March 26th, 2011
6:16 pm

I think everything has went downward for the hawks since the bubba crew took over this blog page and started a pro mediocrity program featuring Al (im allergic to defense) Horford.

Mike Woodson has by default proven that he was a 1st class coach. His replacement Drew has done less with more talent than Woodson had.

The bottom line is the hawks have a true allstar in JJ and a reserve in Horford due to coaches voting. However the fans clearly dont see Al as a reserve allstar.

Out side of JJ the hawks are marginally average, which proves Woodson was able to take an average team to a high level. He would have taken them higher if he had been given a center.

Thanks Bubba Crew

Fire Sund
Fire Drew
Fire Cunningham.

Rev in Tampa

March 26th, 2011
6:19 pm

Welcome back T-S.

prison mike

March 26th, 2011
6:23 pm

Joe Johnson ultimately wants to score more than pass when double covered. He will exhaust the shot clock to the bare minimum but once he realizes he can’t beat his man or the double, he attempts a hard ass shot or passes it off to the next hawk that has to do something with 5 seconds left.

It is what it is.

Dezz Nuttz

March 26th, 2011
6:24 pm

Thanks Rev. The Con & Ham will block this one and Ill get another. Let my haters be my motivators…. you know how it goes.

Rusty

March 26th, 2011
6:28 pm

Prison mike my sentiments exactly

Rusty

March 26th, 2011
6:29 pm

The real truth

drmaryb (*_-)

March 26th, 2011
6:33 pm

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/mar/04/ed-manning-father-danny-manning-dies/ – 233k

Rashod

March 26th, 2011
6:37 pm

Joe Johnson Sucks

drmaryb (*_-)

March 26th, 2011
6:47 pm

Jerome Jurenovich

Asks Drew about Locker Room drama, contention and asked him to comment. Of course, coach says what happens in vegas … You know the rest. Because, Jerome actually travels with the team and on the flights, I guess he would know and just dropped us a dime on the fellas chemistry and a little in-fighting?
____________

But hey! They just stunting like their Daddy. (See owners)
Just like the 8 orangutans, throwing a little feces at each other.

(I stole the 8 orangutans analogy from the original Najeh).
The most telling, realistic and profound analogy of all times to describe The ASKG tenure as owners of all time. That analogy for me, will go down in history!

Keep ‘em coming – Najeh!
__________________

Hey northcyde! How’s my favorite poster man doing?
How’s the weather in Tennessee? Great comments all week, Sir!
_______________

Let’s Go Hawks! Get a Win!

Buddy Grizzard

March 26th, 2011
7:15 pm

“I would offer him JJ (preferably with) Marvin for [J. Barera, Brandon Haywood , C.Butler] and or Shawn Marion.” – James the Plumber

Dallas was one of the possible destinations for JJ in the offseason that I have discussed in addition to New Jersey. Both of these franchises have owners with cash to burn. However, the players you are talking about taking back here are dead weight. Heywood is a stiff with a huge long term contract… taking him doesn’t solve the problem of getting out from under JJ’s albatross.

What I would go after in a trade with Dallas would be a straight up sign and trade, Joe Johnson for Tyson Chandler.

The U

March 26th, 2011
8:05 pm

Joe aint this Joe aint that Joe makes this, so besides the usual suspects put a list a guys together better than Joe at two guard.

The Game Has Changed

March 26th, 2011
8:52 pm

@The U-There arent many shooting guards better than Joe. Maybe 6 at the most.

The U

March 26th, 2011
9:15 pm

@ Game it’s all subjective at best but list the six please.

The Game Has Changed

March 27th, 2011
10:43 am

Wade,R.Allen,Bryant,Carter,and maybe a couple of more. But I said that to say he is not as bad as yall make him out to be.

jeff

March 28th, 2011
1:37 am

blame the upper management, its not all jj’s fault. this team has no bench, no point guard really, marvin williams is a joke, and the hawks have no size in the paint. this all adds up to a early 1st rd exit this year from the playoffs sorry hawk fans.

CWynn

March 28th, 2011
8:59 am

Sounds like everyone is seeing the same thing with the Hawks. Some of it is coaching. I feel the rest of it is having a low basketball IQ. Most if the things discussed are things we learned very early as kids playing basketball. The Pro game is mental. Look at the great/championship players and watch how they played. They all had high basketball IQ’s. Some things your coach should not have to tell you. JJ has a very low IQ and no leadership. Look at Magic, Bird, Isiah, Kobe(now) and the Lakers, Tim Duncan and team and the Celtics the players talk throughout the game. JJ probably
couldn’t tell you what is going on on the court and that is why he does what he does. Talent is not enough in the pros (see Lebron James). Basketball IQ helps you WIN. Share your thoughts please.

Atlanta Hawks: What happened to Joe’s mojo?

221 comments Add your comment

We’ve Moved!

About Atlanta Hawks

Search this blog

Recent Posts

Archives

More from the AJC

Local sports videos

Blogroll

Twitter and Facebook

All AJC blogs »

Tell us what you think about the site

Subscribe »

Customer Care »

AJC Services

Sections

Other Editions

Guides

Affiliates

Advertising

AJC Sites

Special Reports

Blogs

Opinion

Blogs

Topics

Features

Blogs

Topics

Features

Topics

Features

Features

Blogs

Topics

Features

Atlanta Hawks: What happened to Joe’s mojo?

221 comments Add your comment

We’ve Moved!

About Atlanta Hawks

Search this blog

Recent Posts

Archives

More from the AJC

Local sports videos

Blogroll

Twitter and Facebook

All AJC blogs »

Tell us what you think about the site

Subscribe »

Customer Care »

AJC Services

Sections

Other Editions

Guides

Affiliates

Advertising

AJC Sites