Sixers 105, Hawks 100

northcyde

March 23rd, 2011
11:10 pm

Ken . . you or MC needs to find out the REAL STORY behind Drew and Teague. There has to be some sort of story behind this.

niremetal

March 23rd, 2011
11:11 pm

I’ve never been one to push the panic button at all, but heads need to roll right now. Starting with LD’s.

northcyde

March 23rd, 2011
11:15 pm

LOL @ JJ’s comments. I guess since people don’t want him taking the shots via ISO down the stretch anymore, he’s lost as well.

JJ . . stop whining man. You’re the man being paid like a franchise player. YOU TAKE THE DAMN SHOT. And make sure you make more than you miss, so that people won’t get on you.

You either take it upon yourself to be the man, or you simply fade into the background like you’ve been doing way too often. If you would just get the ball and SHOOT, instead of worrying about setting other people up, maybe you’d be more efficient in the 4th quarter.

You see Smith doesn’t worry about who says what about his shot selection. I think you might ought to take up his mentality, and play like a confident shooter, instead of a passive set-up man.

YOU demand the ball, and YOU make the play. Either for yourself, or for others.

Buddy Grizzard

March 23rd, 2011
11:18 pm

I ain’t mad… they stuck with the offense the whole game… Smoove went inside and passed up alot of open jumpers he could have taken… I can’t point to any one reason they got run out in the fourth except the shooting went cold… they just got outplayed.

northcyde

March 23rd, 2011
11:18 pm

At the end of the day, it’s going to be YOU JJ that takes the most heat for the decline of the Hawks, seeing that you have a superstar like contract. So you either have to develop a superstar’s mentality, or settle for the status quo.

That doesn’t mean jack up 25 shots a night. But it does mean having an impact on the game. 4 shots by your main guy at halftime, isn’t going to cut it.

The team did right in deferring to Smith tonight. He played very well. But you’re the supposed “man”. Either start taking on “man responsibilites” or just stop talking altogether.

dj dascorpian

March 23rd, 2011
11:20 pm

These Hawks will lose all of their remaining regular season games. They will be bounced in the first round if they even make the playoffs. Guaranteed. This may be a good thing for needed change.

Rev in Tampa

March 23rd, 2011
11:25 pm

This loss is on Teague. He didn’t contribute anything tonight.

Nunna!!

March 23rd, 2011
11:27 pm

Northside im with u,that is the worst thing that i would want my so called”highest paid”player to say..

Its like in Rocky III when pauly was laying on the training room table talking to rocky after Mr.T. knocked him down and was having issues with his heart.
Rocky looked at his wife and said,”Adrian,what am i supposed to do” and pauly grabbed him by his robe and lit into him about how in the hell could he ask his wife a question like that and to step up and be a man and take care of business..

This just puts such a low light on JJ to me..I just hate to have read that comment..

This is your team Joe,and don’t wait for LD to tell u..

SteveW

March 23rd, 2011
11:27 pm

Buddy – It was LD’s abysmal decision to go with a 7 man rotation on the second night of a back to back played in a different city. Stupid. And Al basically said as much.

About Lou Williams and Teague

“That wasn’t the problem,” Drew said of the defense of Williams. “I thought we did a really good job on Louis. A couple times we played him a little too soft and he just jumped right up and shot it. We actually fouled him twice at the 3-point line to send him to the free-throw line. That wasn’t the problem. We had the game under control. We just let it get away.”

If somebody wanted to, they could post all of the stupid comments LD has made, make a book, and it would probably be a comedy best seller.

I’m still just stunned at the prolonged, continual stupidity in almost every facet of the game.. Everybody makes mistakes. LD lives one.

How to destroy a team 101, by LD.

Rev in Tampa

March 23rd, 2011
11:27 pm

Its Teague’s fault he didn’t play. He hasn’t found his inner dog. To expect to play he should have scored 40 last night instead of 20.

SteveW

March 23rd, 2011
11:28 pm

Nire – Co-sign

Rev in Tampa

March 23rd, 2011
11:29 pm

Its Teague’s fault he didn’t play. He hasn’t found his inner dog. To expect to play he should have scored 40 last night instead of 20 points.

PMC

March 23rd, 2011
11:30 pm

No worries, these guys are all simply in it for the cash anyway and they have plenty of that so they’ll be fine until they end up blowing that too. Not a winner in the lot. One and done will be here soon enough and we can go back to ignoring that they exist until they ruin another draft pick and or pay another guy max money to be the equivalent of a wet paper bag.

Kudos to Josh who showed up big tonight, wish we saw that every night.

PMC

March 23rd, 2011
11:31 pm

Joe should be depressed. His contract will make this team awful for the next 6 years.

Rev in Tampa

March 23rd, 2011
11:32 pm

Sorry about the double post. Blackberry was acting up. Don’t want anybody to think I’ve turned into JeJe.

EmirS.

March 23rd, 2011
11:33 pm

Lol @ Rev,

Almost had me going there.

This is pathetic, once again. I also agree with northcyde that there is more behind this whole Teague/Drew thing. Drew can not be this much of a stubborn idiot.

But then again….

PMC

March 23rd, 2011
11:33 pm

Boy that Hinrich trade…. that sure has improved the defense right?

Do you think they draw straws in the marketing meetings? A professional basketball team with utterly NOTHING to market. They have NOTHING. This might as well be freaking ABA basketball.

Where the cuss is Steve Smith?

March 23rd, 2011
11:34 pm

Hawks don’t allow fans to post on their facebook wall. Good idea.

Nunna!!

March 23rd, 2011
11:34 pm

When it rains, it pours. The team bus driver, after taking the early group to the arena, forgot to come back to pick up the rest of the team. A few players ended up taking taxis.-from hawks notes by Ken Sugiura
———————————————————————
LOL..Ken,that sucker didn’t forget. He knew what he was doing,lol..
Now,that is a true fan of his basketball team right there..

SteveW

March 23rd, 2011
11:34 pm

Orlando has won 4 in a row – Sure you want to play them?

We are now 6 back of the Magic, and 2 games ahead of the Sixers in the loss column.

PMC

March 23rd, 2011
11:35 pm

Hey, maybe Teague is a Kendall Marshall fan.

Where the cuss is Steve Smith?

March 23rd, 2011
11:35 pm

dj dascorpian – This may be a good thing for needed change.

PAST TWO YEARS HAS BEEN A GOOD ENOUGH REASON FOR CHANGE.

SteveW

March 23rd, 2011
11:35 pm

EmirS – Don’t doubt it. It’s not just Teague, Wilkens also.

Rev in Tampa

March 23rd, 2011
11:35 pm

I almost forgot… Teague had a turnover last night. No wonder Drew left him planted on the bench when Hinrich sprained his thumb.

SteveW

March 23rd, 2011
11:36 pm

PMC – Ha! You may be right.

SteveW

March 23rd, 2011
11:37 pm

Bad thing about Hinrich is he’ll play through the thumb sprain, even when he shouldn’t. He’s tough.

Rev in Tampa

March 23rd, 2011
11:39 pm

Drew left Teague on the bench for ball-hogging last night. He scored all but a couple of the hawks points in the fourth quarter.

EmirS.

March 23rd, 2011
11:42 pm

Lol,

Rev on fire!

Rev in Tampa

March 23rd, 2011
11:43 pm

Tonights game was a free-flowing offensive game. Teagues game is defense so he shouldn’t have gotten any playing time.

mykhalc

March 23rd, 2011
11:43 pm

so after laughin’ on the bench last nite in the blowout, Joe seems the most bothered!!!??? KA BOOM!!!

mykhalc

March 23rd, 2011
11:44 pm

well maybe that’s what Joe thinks flippin’ the switch is???!!!

K.W.

March 23rd, 2011
11:45 pm

SMH…

bigdave

March 23rd, 2011
11:45 pm

“(17 points on 5-of-8 shooting in 20 minutes).”

“That wasn’t the problem,” Drew said of the defense of Williams. “I thought we did a really good job on Louis.”

Rev in Tampa

March 23rd, 2011
11:45 pm

Drew is pulling so much for Teague to succeed that he is afraid he might get hurt if he puts him into the game.

JeJe

March 23rd, 2011
11:48 pm

“The one thing I’ll never allow to happen with this team is for us to do things that are not going to benefit the team,” he said.

LOL!

Oh he must be referring to jumpshots, since we have been a post team all year

Moron

Najeh Davenpoop

March 23rd, 2011
11:48 pm

Hawks 80, Sixers 74 at the start of the 4th quarter. Kirk/Jamal/Marvin/Al/Zaza (notably, no Smoove who was ballin’ all night) allow the Sixers to go on an 11-0 run over the first 2:15 of the 4th. Lou Williams (who I believe was being guarded by Jamal) scores 5 of those points.

Smoove and Joe check back in with the Sixers up 85-80. Hawks lose by the same margin.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 23rd, 2011
11:49 pm

Since the Bibby trade:

3-2 when Teague plays 20+ minutes. 3-8 when he doesn’t.
4-3 when Teague starts, 2-7 when he doesn’t.
2-1 with the Teague/Kirk starting back court, 4-10 without it.

Free Jeff Teague

Rev in Tampa

March 23rd, 2011
11:49 pm

It is obvious that Teague would have been cold and stiff after sitting on the bench all game so it would have only hurt the hawks to put him into the game when everybody else was getting drained from the second night of a back to back.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 23rd, 2011
11:50 pm

“Interesting quote, in some ways, from Al Horford: “I think we played well. We just kind of ran out of gas at the end.” Perhaps it was because this was a game the Hawks might have lost even when they were playing well — against a surging team in its building on the back end of a back-t0-back – but it doesn’t sound like the Horford I’m used to hearing after losses.”

In a vacuum, he’s right. A road loss to a surging playoff team is nothing to freak out over. But considering the nearly two solid months of sucking that have preceded this loss, just saying “we played well and it got away from us” doesn’t fly.

rusty

March 23rd, 2011
11:50 pm

I finally figured it out. Ld is betting on the hawks to lose,probably making a fortune,who on the blog said he was stupid

JeJe

March 23rd, 2011
11:51 pm

LOL @ these losers complaining about big minutes on the 2nd of a b2b

WE LOST BY 37 POINTS AT HOME VS. A TEAM COMING OFF A B2B

IF THEIR STARTERS HAD PLAYED THE 4TH, WE COULD’VE LOST BY 60

THIS IS A BUNCH OF LOSERS

TRADE THE CORE
FIRE LD
FIRE SUND
FIRE ASG

Najeh Davenpoop

March 23rd, 2011
11:52 pm

““Down the stretch, I just think we don’t understand who should get the ball. Throughout the game, everyone’s free-flow playing, taking shots, making plays. … (But in the last five minutes), we don’t understand or we don’t know who that person is. If you notice the last four or five minutes, (expletive), I don’t think we know who should take the (expletive) shot.”

Well, typically, the guy who is getting paid the max contract would be getting the ball. Unfortunately, the guy on the Hawks who is getting paid the max contract has only had one efficient month of basketball this season.

JeJe

March 23rd, 2011
11:53 pm

i DON’T EVEN CARE IF WE LOSE ANYMORE

THIS TEAM IS SUCH A DAMN JOKE
NO ONE ON THIS TEAM WANTS TO WIN OR EVER WILL’

THIS IS A BUNCH OF LOSER ATHLETES WHO HAPPEN TO BE 6 FEET OR TALLER

Najeh Davenpoop

March 23rd, 2011
11:55 pm

And as far as this is concerned:

“That wasn’t the problem,” Drew said of the defense of Williams. “I thought we did a really good job on Louis. A couple times we played him a little too soft and he just jumped right up and shot it. We actually fouled him twice at the 3-point line to send him to the free-throw line. That wasn’t the problem. We had the game under control. We just let it get away.”

Yeah, 17 points in 8 shot attempts… 5 points during the Sixers’ game changing 11-0 run at the beginning of the 4th quarter… yeah, this wasn’t a problem at all. No way the Hawks’ best point guard defender could have possibly helped.

This is the second time in as many weeks that LD has allowed an opposing point guard to go off and given a total bullsh-t explanation when asked about why he didn’t play Teague after the game.

rusty

March 23rd, 2011
11:56 pm

Nortcyde don’t you see what is happening. Last year jj said he was going to hold out said he was an elite player. He had a poor season couldnt play well because he put a lot of pressure on himself. Now he got this tremendous contract,he is pressing badly,he knows he can’t play up to it .he’s lucky he didn’t go to ny,they would have crucified him. He has always been too streaky to be a great player. He chokes.

paul

March 23rd, 2011
11:56 pm

Teague this guy does not have it, he only show when the game is over, i know the hawks hate they let the crawford guy go because he is balling in washington.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 23rd, 2011
11:57 pm

““I was just trying to play off the guys that were getting plays called for them. I know they were trapping Joe heavily and I was just trying to put the onus on myself not to settle.””

This he did. There was clearly an effort on his part to set up inside on several occasions where he might normally be tempted to set up outside, and he passed up a couple of open jumpers to drive the ball (side note: not all of these were necessarily the right move).

Booo!

March 23rd, 2011
11:58 pm

Poop,

Co-Sign!

Things won’t get better until Teague gets his minutes. and Injury-prone kirk is already starting to rear his ugly head.

Fire LD! I’ve been through with him! He’s just a hater at this point! It doesnt take a blind man to see what personell changes need to be made after 70 games!

“Since the Bibby trade:

3-2 when Teague plays 20+ minutes. 3-8 when he doesn’t.
4-3 when Teague starts, 2-7 when he doesn’t.
2-1 with the Teague/Kirk starting back court, 4-10 without it.

Free Jeff Teague”

^Everyone should end their posts with a “teague tracker” lol

Rev in Tampa

March 23rd, 2011
11:58 pm

The regular season doesn’t count for much. What really counts is getting jamal his SMOY so Teague has to sit while Jamal reestablishes his game.

NorcalHawk

March 23rd, 2011
11:58 pm

I’m also in northcyde’s camp on the JJ thing. Joe may talk like he really cares about losing, but where is he when it’s crunch time? He’s not a reliable go-to guy in the 4th or any other quarter. For Joe, I think the whole season has been about failing to live up to the huge contract; it’s gotten into his head. Ditto Jamal, whose failure to approach last season’s success has to have caused his stock as a free agent to drop.

cp

March 23rd, 2011
11:58 pm

lol@LD’s comments. Didn’t think that was the problem huh. Didn’t think that was the problem when Rose was killing Jamal either. I can honestly see why Woodrow did not listen to this cat. Terrible defense on Williams was not the problem lol. You almost have to just laugh at the stuff LD comes up with. This could also explain why he is so slow to react to certain situations on the court, he doesn’t think its a problem.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 24th, 2011
12:00 am

“Hawks don’t allow fans to post on their facebook wall. Good idea.”

They used to until as recently as two weeks ago. I remember going there a couple of weeks ago and seeing pretty much entirely negative comments on there. I figure they got tired of it.

Booo!

March 24th, 2011
12:01 am

Jamal is so inconsistant, which is why marvin needs to come off the bench. Philly murdered us with their bench scoring tonight! Besides marvin went back to his old shy self in the second half anyway smh.

Buddy Grizzard

March 24th, 2011
12:02 am

SteveW, I thought the shortened rotation was predictable. LD knows his job is on the line… say what you want about Mark Bradley but he’s been here a long, long time. It’s not an insignificant thing when the local columnists announce to the world that the local NBA team has quit on its coach.

Going into the 4th they had a 6 point lead and you could just see the expression on Drew’s face when they lost it. He looked like a man who sees the axe hovering overhead. He went with the guys he trusts most to execute his game plan and try to save his job. The reason he’s going to lose it is because he should have developed trust with more than 7 players by now.

Rev in Tampa

March 24th, 2011
12:02 am

Teague his several 3’s last night, but has anybody looked at his shot from out there? It almost looks like he flips it out of his hands rather than shooting it. Since the Hawks are a jumpshooting team they don’t need anybody out there with an ugly shot.

rusty

March 24th, 2011
12:04 am

Larry drew don’t have a lick of common sense so how could he be a good basketball coach

rusty

March 24th, 2011
12:06 am

Larry said to himself I will fix that big show off going out there trying to make me look bad,I just sit his ass on the bench tonight

rusty

March 24th, 2011
12:08 am

Oh yea rev we have just a great team of jump shooters

Rev in Tampa

March 24th, 2011
12:12 am

Teague missed a contested lay-up last night. What if he had missed one with the game on the line tonight? Its a good thing Drew did not put him in the game.

Hawks Fan In New Oreans

March 24th, 2011
12:13 am

FIRE LD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DREW IS THRU!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 24th, 2011
12:13 am

OKC played 9 players at least 10 minutes tonight.

Orlando played 8 players at least 10 minutes.

New York played 9 players at least 10 minutes.

Memphis played 10 players at least 10 minutes.

Boston played 8 players at least 10 minutes.

Miami played 9 players at least 10 minutes.

Indiana played 10 players at least 10 minutes.

Not all of those teams even have the depth the Hawks do. All of those teams are currently in the playoffs.

Jae Evolution

March 24th, 2011
12:14 am

If we fall to sixth seed it’s either Boston or Miami, which equals a first round exit, at least with Orlando we have about a 10% chance of advancing.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 24th, 2011
12:17 am

Right now I don’t think the Hawks would win a playoff series against Indiana.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 24th, 2011
12:19 am

I posted something on the Hawks Facebook page and it got deleted by the time I refreshed the page a minute later. Good to know that the Hawks have someone on the payroll to censor their Facebook wall. I guess now we know what the $3 million the Hawks got for the #31 pick in last year’s draft is paying for.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 24th, 2011
12:19 am

On second thought, maybe they get Etan Thomas to do that in between blog posts.

Jae Evolution

March 24th, 2011
12:20 am

At this point, and I’ve seen it all year, until we get a coaching change that will listen to the fanbase Teague won’t get any minutes. You look at the Pacers, Frank Vogel becomes the coach, Psycho T looks like an all-star against the Knicks and Paul George is finally getting some development. We need a coach next season that WILL NOT let good young talent rot away on our bench.

K.W.

March 24th, 2011
12:20 am

LD and his rotation…

Buddy Grizzard

March 24th, 2011
12:21 am

Yes I will take a first round series with Orlando over dropping to 7th place and facing Boston, Miami or Chicago. We fall out of 5th place and we get swept in the first round. Orlando is vulnerable. They traded away most of their size for Hedo and Arenas, two players who are in rapid decline. These are not the Orlando Magic who swept the Hawks last year. Of course, they’re more well-coached than the Hawks. But the Hawks could give them a fight on pure talent.

Hawks Fan In New Oreans

March 24th, 2011
12:23 am

Braves fever – catch it!

Jae Evolution

March 24th, 2011
12:24 am

Watching this Nuggets vs Spurs game, Ty Lawson is a monster in the open court, NO ONE can stop his drive.

cowbulls

March 24th, 2011
12:31 am

OK, fire this low rent idiot excuse for a coach NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does he really not understand that 7 guys can’t play the entire second game of back to back games? There are 20 better high school coaches in Georgia that could do a better job with this team.

Jonesy

March 24th, 2011
12:34 am

I find it hard to believe that we cant do the same thing the Nuggets do with Lawson/Felton with Teague/Heinrich

Najeh Davenpoop

March 24th, 2011
12:34 am

13 points in the 3rd quarter for Jordan Crawford vs. LAC.

Montana

March 24th, 2011
12:35 am

Fire Larry Drew.
Trade Josh Smith.
Trade Marvin Williams.

Rebuild this franchise around the only two solid players we have in Al Horford and Joe Johnson.

rusty

March 24th, 2011
12:41 am

Montana. I can’t really believe you want iso Joe back

Jae Evolution

March 24th, 2011
12:49 am

Man the Nuggets are so good now, the Thunder aren’t guranteed anything in the 1st round if that is the matchup.

MsDee

March 24th, 2011
12:53 am

In Joe’s defense, when he is getting trapped, (which he has the past 5 or so games), and he throws the ball out, doesn’t mean that player should keep it and force up a shot. It SHOULD only mean for that player to re-leave him temporary and throw the ball BACK to Joe to make something happen in the 4th. Just think about it, in the 4th quarter of a Miami’s game or the Lakers game, when they need for Kobe or LeBron, or Wade to take over, the surrounding players LOOKS for their ’superstar’ to take over. If Kobe/Wade/LeBron is being trapped, they throw the ball out to IMMEDIATELY receive it back. HOW OFTEN DO ANY OF THE HAWKS PLAYERS DO THAT FOR JOE??? NO ONE..well, maybe Horford is the only one who does that but NO ONE ELSE TRUST JOE TO WIN THE GAME FOR US! I don’t think Joe meant it literally that no one knows who should shoot the ball, I believe he was being sarcastic about it that there are too many selfish & jealous players on this team that aren’t happy with Joe’s contract and are hell bent on making Joe’s life with the Hawks MISERABLE!! I believe Joe IS aggregated and upset with how this team is playing of late, he just isnt a vocal Wade/Lebron/Kobe type of player..he is who he is and he cant help that. The guys on the team just should do their part and allow Joe to shine for this team. I look at it like Joe is in the same boat as Teague. Teague NEEDS minutes to improve his game while Joe NEEDS the right amount of respect on a daily basis to be affective. JUST MY TAKE ON THE SITUATION!!

Where the cuss is Steve Smith?

March 24th, 2011
12:55 am

Hawks are losing on purpose for that sixth seed and Heat match up in playoffs. More face time on national TV and better hookers in Miami. Ask Josh.

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
12:55 am

Man those Hawks are really surging????? Right?????Surging in the wrong direction for sure!!!!
Get mad at the ASGEEmen and your boy Sund…………Who hired LD….LD you are off your rocker for not playing Teague!
Wow the Heimlich Maneuver had 3 pts! Great trade Sund?????? Not……

Atlanta Expatriate

March 24th, 2011
12:58 am

To sum all of this up….

This has to be the most dysfunctional yet fully operational team I’ve seen.

Does anyone here remember the Falcons ownership experience with the Smith family? Can you see any similarities?

If you think ASG as cheap and budget conscious, I remember reading reports of Rankin Smith walking through the Falcons locker room asking the equipment managers to pick up used tape roll remnants in order to use them again.

The Smith family was caught in a losing spiral affect as a result of signing marginal talent (Players and Coaching Staff) while expecting and collecting higher revenues.

Let’s just face it. The ASG will cash in by selling out while leaving the new owner(s) stuck for the next 6 years (Thanks PMC – March 23, 2011, 11:31 pm) with this financially strapped mess of a payroll.

Good luck to the new owner(s) who will step into this one…..

That’s it!

I’m done………

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
12:58 am

Red Alert!! Abandon Ship. I repeat Abandon Ship!!
Scottie jettison the core! Yes Captain……….

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
1:01 am

“Fire Larry Drew.
Trade Josh Smith.
Trade Marvin Williams.

Rebuild this franchise around the only two solid players we have in Al Horford and Joe Johnson.”
Nobody wants Marvin………..

rusty

March 24th, 2011
1:03 am

MsDee I would say you were right if jj wasn’t playing like crap. He was disturbed after the game because he knows he is playing like a scrub.

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
1:07 am

Hey Sund why not hire basketball great Paul Hewitt??

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
1:11 am

JC2 is ballin!!!!! Great trade Sund????? Not……………

Hawks mane

March 24th, 2011
1:13 am

Hinrich trade was awful has anyone seen how well Jordan Crawford is doing… shows you how terrible Drew is. I bet Teague would be great on another team.

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
1:17 am

drmaryb if your up, tune into coast2coast am with George Norry..640am wgst or 1510am wlac are streaming.Interesting stuff..

Buddy Grizzard

March 24th, 2011
1:26 am

“Watching this Nuggets vs Spurs game, Ty Lawson is a monster in the open court, NO ONE can stop his drive.” – Jae Evolution

Lawson just another pg the Hawks missed out on. He was going to fall to the Hawks and Denver traded up to pick him one pick ahead of us. We ended up with Teague, which still isn’t bad for late first round. But damn… we almost had Ty Lawson.

Harry Hawk

March 24th, 2011
1:26 am

My favorite thing in the preseason was how we gave JJ that max deal and then, lo and behold, we were going to ask him to do less.

Mein Gott, why pay the guy insane money if you’re not going to ask more of him? We should be running ISO Joe all night, right? Damn.

EmirS.

March 24th, 2011
1:33 am

Yea we could have had Ty Lawson sitting on our bench insteaf of Teague and Jordan.

-Sigh-

EmirS.

March 24th, 2011
1:34 am

Instead*

Jae Evolution

March 24th, 2011
1:49 am

What I was about to say EmirS. you can only think Teague would be ballin out in Denver and Ty would be stuck on the bench for 2 years straight over here.

HawkEye

March 24th, 2011
1:58 am

I wish I had a dollar for every stupid thing LD says. I’d be one rich mofo. With every press conference, LD looks more like an idiot. No wonder he lost the team, because he is lost himself.

LD’s stupidity defies all reason and logic. I think Harry the Hawk would be a better HC for this team that him.

dddhouse

March 24th, 2011
1:59 am

Montana, what are you smoking over there, you want to keep joe johnson and trade Josh Smith?
tell, when was the last time joe showed up for a big game? look at the last three games. joe is not a go to player, he is like a 2nd or 3rd option on a team. trade him, get him out of town.

MsDee

March 24th, 2011
2:06 am

@rusty,

I believe Joe is playing like ‘crap’ b/c he tries to force the action sometimes cause he knows he wont be receiving the ball back anytime soon. I think same goes for Josh. Both Josh and Joe shouldnt be on the team together if u ask me. I think Charles Barkley said it b4 also about a couple of years ago. He said,” Either Joe or Josh must go for that team to go anywhere.” I didnt believe him then but I do now. If I had to choose between the two, I would let Joe go and keep Josh. I also believe the reason both Josh & Jamal played so very well last season was b/c they thought Joe would be on another team this season. Josh wanted to prove to ASG that he could be the face of the ATLANTA HAWKS. He played totally under control, attempted ONLY 6 3pters, should have easily been an ALL-STAR that year..I mean, IMO, that was Josh’s best NBA season of his career thus far!! Jamal also was at the top of his game last season..He wanted to stay in Atlanta b/c his baby mother & child lives here, his 1st time playing on a team that made it to his 1st playoff series, and played well enough to earn the 6th Man award..Jamal was playing for an extension from the Hawks and he probably too assume Joe would be gone so he could get the money he wanted while sliding into Joe’s footsteps if he was gone. UNFORTUNATELY NONE OF THAT HAPPENED!! Joe received the biggest contract of any player that year, causing Josh to get angry and revert back to the Josh of old and causing Jamal to demand an extension OR to be traded!! Well, neither happen for Jamal causing him to have an on-court meltdown cause lately, he hasn’t been able to throw a penny into the ocean. I say ALL this to say, that is why Joe may feel the team is jealous and selfish cause of his HUGE PAYCHECK!!

hawks_4_life

March 24th, 2011
2:17 am

SO MY B-BALL TEAM IS GOING NOWHERE AND THERE IS NO FOOTBALL SEASON……AWESOME

Grandad

March 24th, 2011
3:29 am

“Down the stretch, I just think we don’t understand who should get the ball. Throughout the game, everyone’s free-flow playing, taking shots, making plays. … (But in the last five minutes), we don’t understand or we don’t know who that person is. If you notice the last four or five minutes, (expletive), I don’t think we know who should take the (expletive) shot.” — Joe Johnson —

And there’s your problem.
That explains why Al doesn’t get the ball in the 4th qtr.
[which has been discussed on here many times]
Joe thinks he gets the ball in the 4th.
Josh is perpetually whining about trust.
LD doesn’t trust Teague.
If Marvin gets it he’s gonna jack it up…he don’t care.
Jamal’s thinking…well LD wants me to get going;
” I’m suppose to shoot ”.
It’s not trust…It’s chaos.
Every man for himself + *we don’t have many thinkers out there.
*[that's a nice way of putting it]
__________________________________________

What’s funny is the whole Pape Sy experiment.
That was LD’s baby from the get go.
That worked out real well.

RMikel58

March 24th, 2011
5:12 am

Hawks are a worst team by far then last years team. The Atlanta Zombie’s play on their heels during these past 21 games. Theres no leader out there, just seems like most of them want to just end the season and take off. You know it would seem like if you paid millions of dollars to perform then i’d say that youre fulfilling your agreement to your contract.
Because i’m sure if the Hawks were not fulfilling their end of a contract, the player and his agent would be all over the hawks Mgmt.
There needs to be a new collective bargaining agreement made……….. Only pay a player based on performance every year and see how many stay in basketball.
These guy’s are so spolied, getting 100,000 a minute or a game and under perform on most nights. They sign a 5 year contract and play great only 1 year.
Its not entirely the Coach’s fault. But if it was me, i’d take out most of those players that didnt wanna play, give them less minutes and only put players that really want to be out there.
Players like Kobe Bryant play hard every night eventhough he makes millions. What makes him so good is that on every play he is aggressive and looks for ways to help his team win and involve other players in the game.
We gotta stop pandering to these players that are selfish individuals and are not there to win but to collect a check on friday.
The Coach can try to motivate, run plays, encourage but once that player steps onto the court its up to him to perform at a high level.
Play the Rookies i’d say………… This starting lineup for the Hawks is killing us and before you know it well drop 2 spots below Philly and New York.

ATL RAISED INDY LIVING

March 24th, 2011
5:26 am

JORDAN CRAWFORD HAS AVERAGED 14 PPG SINCE LEAVING THE HAWKS…IM JUST SAYIN…ANOTHER GOOD PLAYER THAT HAS SLID THROUGH THE FINGERS OF THE HAWKS

Buddy Grizzard

March 24th, 2011
5:43 am

Ok so, once again my Hawks rebuilding plan:

1. The Hawks have a major leadership void and it starts at the top with the dysfunctional ASG. In this economy they may not be able to find a buyer, so they need to protect their investment as best they can. Step 1 to regain some faith from Atlanta fans is to immediately, before the playoffs even begin, fire Larry Drew. Prove that you are not so cheap that you can’t burn $1m to pay for a mistake and a bad hire and go look for a coach that can get this team to reach anything close to its potential.

2. Fire Rick Sund. He has a HORRIBLE track record of coaching hires… Larry Drew AND BOB WEISS???? He cannot be trusted to find the coach that can turn this franchise around.

3. Trade Joe Johnson. The most likely scenario is New Jersey, since they have an owner with unlimited funds and a deadline to improve the team before Deron Williams leaves as a free agent. To Cleveland for Antawn Jamison is a possibility. Dan Gilbert also has an open check book but he may not want JJ because he would hurt their draft position without actually making them good. Another possibility is Dallas, where Mark Cuban is desparate to win a championship and his core is aging rapidly. We would have to take back Brendan Haywood and some other garbage but we could use a center.

4. Trade Josh Smith. He’s my favorite Hawk, and I love when he plays like he did last night. But his role on the team is identical to Horford’s. They are both jump shooting power forwards. Josh’s contract will run out sooner, so he should be traded while he still has value. You don’t want to extend him long term because then you don’t have money to fill out other positions on the roster. Marvin is untradeable so you build around him, Teague and Horford. Hopefully with Jamal Crawford gone, Marvin can finally get consistent shots and become a consistent performer.

vava74

March 24th, 2011
5:52 am

Jamal to close the 3rd and play the 4th – apparently at PG.

Against Lou Williams.

Ummm… If I was told that this would happen, with the Hawks up by 11 and was asked if was interested in betting $5,000.00 that the hawks would lose, I would have not doubt it for a second and go for it.

Honestly. No second thoughts. Easiest money around.

Dale in Newnan

March 24th, 2011
6:46 am

I have to agree with Najeh.
FREE JEFF TEAGUE!
Before some other team does.

joe

March 24th, 2011
6:52 am

why do people still pay to go to Philips? I did it over Christmas with my son home from college. It was an awful display( Hawks beat Cavs ) and we both agreed we would never waste our time again. They are heartless with no redeeming qualities.

rk

March 24th, 2011
7:01 am

Next year when this team is broken up, we will here how some of these players don’t like each other. They won’t say it now but just wait. Pay close attention to how often ZAZA passes the ball to JS. Listen to the comments JJ and AH make after losses. Besides bad coaching this not a happy team.

Roundfield on Roundball

March 24th, 2011
7:25 am

Fire LD now … give the team to Bender or Tyrone Hill. It may earn us the few wins we need to hold 5th – as if that matters. BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE. LD has been a dumpster fire mistake.

O'Brien

March 24th, 2011
7:25 am

Horford said the minutes, particularly on the second night of a back to back, was a factor. “We just kind of ran out of gas there at the end,” center Al Horford said.

I wonder if anybody told that to LD.

“That wasn’t the problem,” Drew said of the defense of Williams. “I thought we did a really good job on Louis.”

Really? 17 points in 20 minutes, 5-8 shooting. And he considers that a really good job? Kirk was hurting, Jamal is horrible on defense, but once again, no minutes for Teague.

On 790 the zone yesterday, Sekou Smith said something happened to this team right about the all star break (but he doesnt know it was).

I agree with northcyde. Something happened between LD and Teague that we dont know about. Because given the results on the court, how does he not even give Teague any minutes on the second of a back to back, with the starting PG hurt, and Jamal ineffective at PG?

I wont be surprised if we fall to 6th and play Miami.

I guess Rick can no longer brag about improving our record every season, or about consecutive months with winning records, or top 4 team with home court.

J from the A

March 24th, 2011
7:31 am

This loss was 100% coaching.

I know Al was having an off-night as was Joe … but anyone who watched the game could tell you the Hawks did not so much get out played as they got out coached.

J from the A

March 24th, 2011
7:34 am

7-man rotations while running a motion offense and having to chase around the opposing team’s players who are fresh … of course, there are going to be a few extra lapses and of course you are going to be out of gas.

Jimmy Jam

March 24th, 2011
7:40 am

Let’s go Philly, catch em so I can get more for my tickets if Miami or Boston come to town for two playoffs games. What’s the difference with finishing 5 vs 6 for the Hawks, about $100 more per ticket for me. Let’s go Sixers!!!

Jamillion

March 24th, 2011
7:48 am

Do u guys realised we’ve been blown out more since our 13 win season & the last two years wit woody combined. so it can’t be the players. woody was stuborn but he was winning. THIS GUY STUBBORN & IS A LOSER

Section 303

March 24th, 2011
8:01 am

Larry Drew is a disaster of a hire. A flat out disaster. Good man, but so far over his head that it is starting not to be funny anymore.

Joe Johnson…..wondering where all those people are from this past summer that were saying the Hawks could not live without Joe. Anyone want to make that debate now? Anyone? Anyone? Didn’t think so….

Good game by Josh Smith, but…..who wants to bet he goes right back to jacking jumpers on Saturday night? He played well last night because he actually played hard. He had good movement and attacked the basket. When he does that, he’s good. The problem is that he won’t do that on Saturday. He’ll go right back to being the waste of talent that he is.

It’s almost over, guys….10 more games and then the first round sweep. We’re almost out of this misery.

Trojan

March 24th, 2011
8:15 am

MC: The whole Teague thing makes no sense.

Trojan

March 24th, 2011
8:16 am

ASG: Make changes or lose a ton of fans.

Trojan

March 24th, 2011
8:18 am

Why was there a 7 man rotation on the 2nd night of a back to back? Larry Drew is either the worst coach of all time or he is hiding something from us.

Big Al

March 24th, 2011
8:18 am

Hey guys… I totally love this Hawks Blog community. You guys keep me locked into what is really going on with the team beyond the box scores. I’m from Atlanta and love all the Atlanta sports teams. But it’s been a tough year for us. A lot of potential and no payoff in baseball and football. Unfortunately, this Hawks team has run out of gas already during the regular season. It has been painful to watch – beyond frustrating really. On any given night, this team could have no chance to compete with the other team (no matter who they are playing). Usually fans like to say that the other way around. In the mind of the fan, there is always hope that our brightest stars will truly shine. We can beat anybody, right? Wrong. This team’s stars are burned out. The effort required to be a success in the NBA is more than any one (or few) players can create on their own, with the exception of only a handful of truly exceptional superstars. And we don’t have one of them. We shouldn’t need one of them to be successful. There is a broad enough swath of talent on this team to be a success in the right system, circumstances and under the right management.

Honestly, though – I think I’m done. Done caring about this team. It’s just not fun anymore. This team has a couple good games in them – Tops. But there is no way they can consistently get it done. They cannot even COMPETE every night. Time and time again, I get my hopes up because the team is playing well with each other and building momentum, and then they fall onm their face. And it’s right back to square one.

It pains me to admit it, but the Hawks are going nowhere. It starts right at the top. Ownership/management has squeezed the life out of this team. The coach and their “star” max-contract player just do not have what it takes to lead. They have pieces (Horford, Smith, Teague) that remain are really intriguing – these guys are or could be really good players. But most of their players are teases. Joe has lost a few steps and a shot. Marvin never could pull it all together. Crawford is back to being the sloppy player that he has been his entire career. Hinrich – while I love the energy he brings – has made me think maybe there is a good reason he has not been starting at point guard on other teams (namely his handle). The team collectively is to blame for their current woes. All the players are not working together and getting it done. But the owners, GM, and coach are tasked with the job of putting their players in the best position to be successful. And they have engineered an entirely uninspiring lot. We Atlantans deserve better than this. And I, for one, am at the point where – I almost don’t care anymore.

There clearly needs to be a change at the top. Get rid of the GM and coach. Hire people with vision and management/motivational skills. And then lower ticket prices and spend money on your marketing campaign. Atlanta is full of sports fans. Show us that you can provide a good product and we will show you the Love.

Section 303

March 24th, 2011
8:22 am

Big Al, great point. This is not fun anymore. No fun watching a bunch of a$$holes wilt/fold everytime the going gets tough late in games, if they bother to show up at all.

Big Al, don’t walk away from this team. Run away from this team! Don’t look back! Save yourself!

Diego

March 24th, 2011
8:25 am

We need to send a message to ASG. Stop going to Phillips Arena!!! Fire LD!!!!!! Hire anyone else…seriously, just pick anyone from the crowd.

Matt

March 24th, 2011
8:31 am

LD must just be nervous that Pape Sy is being groomed as the next coach right before his very eyes.

bigeasy830

March 24th, 2011
8:35 am

I stated when the Hawks first made the trade for Hinrich that it would be a bad trade only if Jordan Crawford becomes a very good young player. Well he scored 25 and had 10 assist last night in a losing effort for the Wizards, this was his 4th straight 20 point game for the Wizards. I had a brief exchange with a couple of other bloggers, my point was if the Hawks were going to trade a good young player they should have tried to get a good young player in exchange, offer a little more and tried to get that McGhee kid from the Wizards. One blogger stated that would never happen because the Wizards know what they had in McGhee. I agree, but my point was the Hawks should have known what the had in Jordan Crawford. You make a trade in midseason for two reasons, to win it all now or build for the future. No way Hinrich was going to put the Hawks over the top to win now, and they just threw away a big part of the futre by giving away Jordan Crawford. Jamal Crawford is gone after this season Jordan could have took his place. The Wizards have a brighter future than the Hawks right now, they have a nice young core in a budding superstar in Wall, Javale McGhee, and yes Jordan Crawford. I am a Hawks fan but I am also a realist, the Hawks will lose in the first round in 5 games or maybe even get swept.

KevinM

March 24th, 2011
8:38 am

303, you’re dead on! This is becoming comical. I didn’t even see the first 3 quarters because I knew it was going to be determined in the 4th.
Najeh, how many 4th quarter leads have we lost this year? We are at best a 3 quarter team.
Our coach (FormerAssistantToWoody) is lost; you tell me you can’t find minutes for your best PG…..your tenure is over. Why doesn’t Larry just send Teague to the D-League and truly humiliate him? He has taken any life out of a team that has limitations before heading into this season, yet Sund couldn’t come up with anything to build a championship contender.
Sund and Larry has mailed it in. The Bibby deal is not going so well right now, and all it takes to improve our side is to play Teague.
How bad is it that the ENTIRE blog is begging for Teague to play and Larry can’t see it. No more excuses because Larry isn’t trying to win ball games. He is trying to prove who is in charge. His ego is beyond reproach now. To let Captain Josh continue to shoot jumpers is on you! Woody had finally gotten to him. He thinks he’s Kobe Bryant now.

Bye Larry, you are who we thought you were!

doc

March 24th, 2011
8:40 am

reality check on jordan crawford guys:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4758

his percentages are awful. you look stupid to bring his name up because his game is worse than jamal’s.

CONFEDERATE BOB

March 24th, 2011
8:43 am

WHAT?!?!?!? We have a NBA team in Atlanta? Really?

bigeasy830

March 24th, 2011
8:48 am

@Doc

Jordan Crawford is a rookie who will only get better given the opportunity for minutes. he was getting no minutes in Atlanta but now he is getting better. He is developing. You look stupid for not understanding that fact. After the Hawks lose Jamal in the off-season who will you have to replace him. A more developed Jordan Crawford would have been very nice.

STRETCH

March 24th, 2011
8:49 am

More Johnson: “That’s why we look a little stagnant and lost the last three or four to five minutes, because nobody knows and everybody’s out there just jacking up shots.” This coming from a guy who supposed to be a team captain???

And J to the A,

good point about the 7 man rotation. You cant be this late in the regular season only playing that amount of guys, you must keep a flow of atleast 8 or 9. Guys are banged up more this time of season and you need all the fire power you can get but “Woody Lite” appears to not get it. Thats why they continue to “jack up shots” cause they are tired.

ATL will not do anything until management issues are addressed. Then give the GM some money to work with. And blow this core, cut ties and take there losses with Marvin, Jamal or JS(as much as i hate to say it).

Double Zero Eight

March 24th, 2011
8:54 am

Larry Drew is stubborn. He is showing everyone
that no one can make him play Teague.

You can look at Drew’s eyes and see the confusion and
terror they are depicting. He is in “over his head”. The team
is in disarray. LD is clueless.

Ex-Fan

March 24th, 2011
9:11 am

When is someone going to address the real problem with this organization? It starts with the front office and rolls downward. The Hawks have become content with mediocrity. Year in and year out they aspire to be the Eastern conferences’ 4,5, or 6 seed. Only to be ousted in the first round of the playoffs. The contract they gave Joe Johnson was a travesty in itself. I’m not hating, but no way in hell is JJ worth the franchise tag placed on him. He’s not even one of the top 15 players in the league. This team will never be amongst the leagues best. It’s not in it’s DNA, period. The front office is the main problem. They simply don’t know how to put together a winning team. Nor do they care to. We’d all do better putting our enthusiasm behind the Falcons. At least Blank and his front office care about winning.

MJC

March 24th, 2011
9:12 am

I am tired of people talking about Jordan Crawford. “HE SCORED 25 POINTS!!” Well, guess what? HE TOOK 28 SHOTS!!! 28!! That is a two followed by an 8. He could still become a good player, but I could go out and get 25 points on 28 shots.

O'Brien

March 24th, 2011
9:22 am

Jamal’s rookie year;
61 games played, 8 starts: 35% FG, 35% from 3, 5 ppg, 2 assists in 17 mpg.

Jordan’s rookie year:
With ATL; 16 games played, 0 starts; 35% FG, 33% from 3, 4 ppg, 2 rebs, in 10 mpg

With Washington; 14 games played, 6 starts; 39% FG, 17% from 3, 14 ppg, 3 apg, 2 steals and 3 turnovers.

He needs to work on his shot selection and his defense, but for a rookie, he is showing a lot of potential.

Section 303,

That’s the problem with Josh. If he stays focused and plays within himself, he is a very good player. But when he doesn’t, he is furstrating to watch.

KevinM

March 24th, 2011
9:35 am

OB, no one is reigning Josh in….why does he stand at the 3 point line when the shot clock is winding down? Way too many possessions in this situation.
The ego of Larry is beyond reeling back in now.

Our 40-32 record is looking really pedestrian at this point. We aren’t going to just start winning again. Our team after the break has not been good. It is probably as simple as just playing better teams, so that tells us we aren’t even as good as we thought we were. And yes, I know, even Minnesota players have huge egos.

Man Man

March 24th, 2011
9:37 am

If Horford would play defense

JeJe

March 24th, 2011
9:51 am

JOE ISNT A LEADER LOL. FAKE ALL STAR

Rev in Tampa

March 24th, 2011
9:57 am

It is sweet justice that Drew’s stubborness and his unwillingness to develop teague or JC2 is leading to his downfall and Sund’s.

I know Drew said he is pulling for Teague and is in his corner. But Drew has said a lot of other things too that don’t match his actions.

bigeasy830

March 24th, 2011
10:00 am

@ O’Brien

“He needs to work on his shot selection and his defense, but for a rookie, he is showing a lot of potential.”

I agree with you totally and that is my point when talking about Jordan Crawford. The Hawks gave this kid away and he have shown alot of potential. Atlanta fans grip and moan and wish for players like Dwight Howard and othe future free agents that they will never get but don’t raise heck about good players they had and the sorry organization lets go. Atlanta fans must demand better judgement from their teams ownership and management and giving away a talented kid like Jordan Crawford is a good example. If the ownership don’t sell the team then Larry Drew will be back as coach and this team will lose a couple of players and they will be worse than they are this year. The writing is on the wall.

Rufus1

March 24th, 2011
10:03 am

The “Cooler” AKA Jamal Crawford.

doc

March 24th, 2011
10:09 am

jordan 35% from the field and 17% from three. when was he going to get better on a team that needs it now?

o’b, i have had enough with the potential. sorry, you either deliver or you dont, there is crying in basketball but potential means nothing.

folks, when jordan gets there, then i will show appropriate regret. there is none now. it only shows even though folks were saying he should have been given more time the reality is, he wasnt ready for it now, truth. the other thing is, no one knows if he ever will. i will wait for the coronation.

JeJe

March 24th, 2011
10:11 am

How is LD’s stubbornness leading his downfall and Sund’s? We know ASG won’t do anything. They’re not firing a coach and paying him

FIRE LD

Nate ArchiBALL

March 24th, 2011
10:19 am

Great post at 10:00 am Doc – Can you imagine the posts if he was putting up those numbers for the Hawks? Bloggers would not be talking about Josh and his shot selection but JC2’s

KevinM

March 24th, 2011
10:27 am

I don’t see Larry being fired either, no matter how bad they finish.

They will go through another blah blah offseason and if you know the ASG, they don’t make bold moves.

Sund will probably be back as well….but Sund sure can’t sell the improved core each and every year.

Why is it that everyone except Hawks’ management saw this coming?

Does anyone miss Mike Bibby? 22MPG 6PPG 3.4APG ….I don’t. He really is lucky to be with the Heat and will be a non-factor for them going forward.

KevinM

March 24th, 2011
10:32 am

Truth being, I liked the idea of JC1 starting and JC2 coming off the bench had we not signed JJ. That would have been a much better result based on where we are today….we are stuck in cap sludge and won’t get out unless we purge the roster.
We have had a few opportunities to build for the future, but instead we stuck with our core and are now looking to stay above .500.
Folks, the 2011-12 season does not look promising at this stage unless we throw out the regime that sells opponents’ jerseys for the Philips experience.

KevinM

March 24th, 2011
10:37 am

One fix for next year because we really don’t have a lot to look forward to this year…Hindrich takes Jamal’s role and we purge some of our salary.

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
10:41 am

Larry, you are off your rocker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
10:45 am

a very small minority feel you should build around Marvin? You must be smoking some powerful stuff..This buster is not even in professional basketball shape six years and counting..About the only thing he lifts is twinkie…………..There a reason why we could not give him away??????????????

Waive his azzz as soon as the season is over……………………..

Rev in Tampa

March 24th, 2011
10:46 am

JeJe,

Mark my words. The ASG know that keeping Drew next season (unless there is a lockout) will cost them far more than his measly salary because the eyes of the fanbase are wide open to what this team’s REAL problems lie – with LARRY DREW. It is not the players lack of effort. It lies with Larry Drew’s X’s and O’s,etc.

I ask you, who would pay good money to buy season tickets to watch this hot mess??? Yea, I know Section 303 would, but he has an unhealthy co-dependent relationship with this team.

Also the ASG knows that if they keep Larry Drew for another season they will lose another year of Teague’s development. If he won’t play him now, what’s there to make us think he will play him next year?

In summary, it will cost the ASG far more to keep Larry Drew than to fire his butt.

KevinM

March 24th, 2011
10:49 am

2 good articles covering the Hunter/David Stern upcoming battle and the fledging Hawks…http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index.ssf/2011/03/nba_high-5_11.html

Now why is it a big deal that he losing team steals the ball from a team way out in front? The other way around I get…this is just overblown. I am guessing Larry won’t bring Hilton off the bench anytime soon after that incident.

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
10:52 am

The Hawks schedule has finally caught up to these busters. I had warned you people months back this was going to happen because of their lack of talent and mental toughness….The players had delusions of grandeur with the 4th easiest schedule for first 2/3 of this season.. Now the ish has hit the FAN IN A BIG WAY……………………………sigh…………………..Don’t get mad at me, the truth always hurts……..Duh………………….. You had warnings of this coming meltdown after last season prolific massive historic major BEATDOWN in the Playoffs?? PLAYOFFS??????????Really????????

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
10:56 am

J from the A – Co-Sign about being out coached

Buddy – I know the reason LD went 7 deep on the 2nd night of a back to back in a different city, with a later than normal 1st night because of the the national tv.

I just think it is sadly, comically dumb.

We bloggers could see here and laughingly and absurdly come up with scenarios no rational coach from pee wee level to this level would ever do, and LD will do them. I’ve joked about things that LD then says he will incorporate.

We should blow out NJ Saturday night at home, but if DeRon is playing, or even if he’s not, you never know with this guy as Coach.

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
10:56 am

free JC2 Larry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What he got traded????????????????????????? SHOOT…………………………………….LOL

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
10:57 am

if Deron is playing Hawks lose by 7….

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
10:59 am

I would like to hear a statement from Sund about now. Maybe he’s busy getting Casey or somebody locked up with a contract and scheduling the news conference.

But I doubt it.

Geemack

March 24th, 2011
11:02 am

Rev in Tampa

March 23rd, 2011
11:45 pm

Drew is pulling so much for Teague to succeed that he is afraid he might get hurt if he puts him into the game.

CLASSIC! Lol

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
11:03 am

Larry you have some loose screws!!!! Time to get out a makita power screw driver with a freshly charged battery pack and tighten that ish up real quick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:08 am

Under a normal, rational Coach, JC2 was the perfect draft pick. Give a scorer a year to “season”, then he replaces Jamal, and you probably don’t miss a beat. Then you have 2 young, exciting G’s to help your team win. Pendegraft and Sund had done their job.

Under LD, you have him playing Mo’ and Bibby to the Bataan death march (no offense fellas), totally destroying the team. So in an effort to save the Coach from his self, you have to trade Bibby, Mo’, JC2 and a 1st pick, to get an upgrade on Bibby.

When the solution was just play Teague 15 to 20 per night, rest Bibby more so he’s fresher, and it’s a win, win.

I was in a corporation once. There was this guy that was unbelievable at what he did. Off the charts. And there was the Presidents son-in-law, that he desperately wanted to promote to vice president. But the entire, fairly large corporation wanted the more talented guy. And every time they let the talented guy make a presentation, he totally, unintentionally humiliated the President and the son-in-law.

Guess who’s VP today and who’ no longer with the company? The son-in-law is VP of course. For some reason I’m reminded of that every time I see Teague play.

Wonder why LD suddenly got Teague out of the rotation when it was time to play against Bibby and Miami? He would have looked like a total imbecile. I mean he already does, but even worse.

Geemack

March 24th, 2011
11:09 am

Props to the NBA for inventing the league pass, because I no longer have to be subject to this
horrible franchise.

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:12 am

If this bunch of stragglers and no names comes in here and beats the Hawks, what will happen then? LD almost single handidly lost the Pistons game for us remember.

Geemack

March 24th, 2011
11:12 am

Where is Woody when you need him.

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
11:14 am

Sund is getting his fishing gear ready and his boat!!!!!!!!!

Count down please, games left before the historic 3rd consecutive beatdown to commence on national TV :10-9-8-7-6-5 et al….You know the rest……….Class dismissed…………….

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:14 am

The Hawks don’t retain Woody, and one of the top reasons was failure to utilize and develop Jeff Teague.

LD has officially given Teague more DNP’s – CD than Woody.

And we still have 10 games left.

Woody was not stubborn compared to this guy.

Geemack

March 24th, 2011
11:15 am

How special is KB24? When you watch these guys, 5 titles and he’s still playing like it’s his 1st year in the league.

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:17 am

The Chicago beatdown on national TV, being down by 47, has to be pretty historic. I mean we were almost down by 50 to a team some on this blog over the summer was saying we were still better than.

I can’t remember a team ever being down 47 on a game like that. Maybe it’s happened, I don’t know. I remember a Valentines Day masacre with the Celts-Lakers years ago. Maybe it was that bad.

Salvador Gonzalez

March 24th, 2011
11:17 am

WHAT DOES A COAH HAVE TO DO TO GET FIRED IN ATLANTA?
THIS LD GUY IS DESMANTLING THE HAWKS!
IS EMBARASSING TO SEE THE LACK OF EFFORT OF THE TEAM AND I BLAME LD FOR IT!!!!!
WORST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA!!!!

Geemack

March 24th, 2011
11:18 am

SteveW

I don’t think these guys understand what they want in a coach.

For the record Don Nelson is available. If the Hawks are looking for a coach at the end of the season.

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:21 am

And who was this guy saying you can’t build a team on late 1st round picks. Sure you can. I’ve done the list before, but what about Rondo? Ellis? second round, Big Baby, Landry, Sessions, etc. That’s just off the top of my head. There’s a ton of late 1st and 2nd pick that are stars in this league.

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:22 am

Sund where are you? We need to hear from you? Your thoughts on the situation please.

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:23 am

At least Sund wasn’t responsible for hiring this abomination. They say the owners overruled Sund and hired him anyway.

rusty

March 24th, 2011
11:23 am

I watched the Washington game last night. Jc2 was 0 for 7 to start, but then he started to make shots. He played pg at times. He is a much better passer than people here ever gave him credit for.he shows more energy than anyone on the hawks , he appears to have jets on his feet. Just another stupid move on our point. Already Washington thinks he will be a real good player in the league

Najeh Davenpoop

March 24th, 2011
11:27 am

“I agree with northcyde. Something happened between LD and Teague that we dont know about. Because given the results on the court, how does he not even give Teague any minutes on the second of a back to back, with the starting PG hurt, and Jamal ineffective at PG? ”

To be honest, I don’t think this is necessarily true. I think LD’s refusal to play Teague is a result of simple incompetence and not any kind of animosity or contempt for Teague. LD likes players who make shots, and even though Jamal doesn’t make shots with any kind of consistency, he still has a longer track record in that department than Teague. Sund had to save LD from himself when it came to his “shotmakers” Bibby and Mo, but unfortunately he didn’t find a way to trade Jamal and force LD’s hand completely.

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:29 am

From Peachtree Hoops – the guy who has been defending LD for most of the season

“is it strange that Zaza Pachulia can get yanked from the game for taking what is perceived as a bad shot in a blow out loss yet Smith and other players have had the green light to do as they want the entire season?

Those things my friends are a lot of the small things that over time can derail what was once a very promising season.”

And I wonder if Josh was only close to the basket some last night trying to save his enabler’s job?

rusty

March 24th, 2011
11:29 am

The hawks with jt & jc2 would have been a fast breaking team for years to come. It would have been fantastic watching these 2 play together, a lot better than watching jj dribble.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 24th, 2011
11:29 am

“I wont be surprised if we fall to 6th and play Miami. ”

The DASG would probably prefer this, since it would mean they can jack up the prices on those tickets. For all we know maybe the Hawks are tanking it on purpose so they can draw Miami.

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:31 am

The Hawks thought Jordan Crawford would be a real good player also. But if LD won’t play him, the point is mute.

He would have been the perfect replacement for Jamal next season, as his time with the Wizards has shown.

Just under the wrong Coach, that’s all. Happens all the time in the NBA.

rusty

March 24th, 2011
11:33 am

JJ has to take a lot of shots to make a lot of points & now he can’t make shots

Najeh Davenpoop

March 24th, 2011
11:33 am

“his percentages are awful. you look stupid to bring his name up because his game is worse than jamal’s.”

All good points — it was clear from day one that Jordan pretty much had no concept of shot selection. But at the same time, who knows whether a playoff caliber coach on a playoff caliber team with a more structured offensive scheme might have been able to develop Jordan’s ability to shoot more selectively by now. At the very least, the fact that he can put up these kind of numbers as a rookie on a bad team hints towards the possibility of him putting up numbers approaching those at a more efficient rate on a good team as he grows and becomes a better player.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 24th, 2011
11:35 am

“Atlanta fans grip and moan and wish for players like Dwight Howard and othe future free agents that they will never get but don’t raise heck about good players they had and the sorry organization lets go. Atlanta fans must demand better judgement from their teams ownership and management and giving away a talented kid like Jordan Crawford is a good example.”

You think not showing up to games and chanting MVP for opposing players isn’t a strong enough statement against Hawks management?

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:37 am

Maybe this from Hoopinion will shed some light on JJ’s comments from last night:

“Over the first 9:45 of the fourth quarter, Al Horford scored four points on three shots. Josh Smith scored two points (with the bucket assisted by Horford) on four shots. Joe Johnson scored two points on two shots. Jamal Crawford and Zaza Pachulia were both scoreless on two shots each.”

So Josh had 4 shots, Al 3 and everybody else 2 shots.

How’s that Jamal breakout coming BTW? Still worth losing games over? I guess so.

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
11:42 am

I hope the Hawks do play Miami in the 1st rd. They will lose by an average of 30-40 points a game as they get swept outta here………………..

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:44 am

Well a back to back with NJ and @Cle. should be good for what ails you. Even though we have struggled vesrus the Nets this season. Haven’t we lost 2 to them already?

And then it’s:

The Magic at Home
Celtics at Home
@ Houston
San Antonio at Home
@ Indy, who is fighting for a playoff spot

Before we close out @ Washington, and get to see JC2 possibly punk us and humiliate LD further (if he’s still here)
Miami, which will possibly be resting the Big 3, while we won’t be resting anyone according to LD
And @ Charlotte, which should be a W. Even though they beat us last time at Home, coming back from 17 down,

I see maybe at least 5 or 6 wins here in the last 10. But maybe not with LD coaching.

I did predict 46-36 before the season. I may be kinda close.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 24th, 2011
11:45 am

I had 49-33. Safe to say that ain’t happening.

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:45 am

Next year, if LD’s still here, we’re in the lottery, guaranteed. Maybe that’s the master plan, IDK

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:51 am

Great LD quote:

“The Hawks have some nagging injuries, but Drew said he wouldn’t give players games off even if the Hawks are locked into the fifth seed before the end of the regular season.”

That has got to be classic. From Hawks Notes, Tuesday night, Larry Drew Settles on a Lineup

That’s also were we learned Teague was def. out of the rotation for the remainder of the season:

“Drew said there are certain games when he still may use a “big” lineup with Jason Collins or Zaza Pachulia at center. He said Pachulia, guard Jamal Crawford and swingman Damien Wilkins are “for sure” among the bench rotation and guard Jeff Teague and Collins also could get minutes.”

So much for Wilkens being a “for sure”

ag

March 24th, 2011
11:53 am

Okay, we are playing back to back in another city. Okay, your starting PG gets hurt. Okay, last night the only guy to play with any heart scored 20 points in under 20 minutes and did not assist because the scrubs you played with did not score. Also, the young guy you believe in gets rewarded with a DNP.

Forget START JEFF TEAGUE… FIRE LARRY DREW

ag

March 24th, 2011
11:54 am

The losing will continue at NJ. They are playing better.

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
11:55 am

LD – I will march my players into the 1st round of the playoffs in wheelchairs and crutches, just like we did against the Cavs 2 seasons ago. We will compete, and I will not play Jeff Teague. You can’t make me.

doc

March 24th, 2011
11:57 am

Najeh Davenpoop

March 24th, 2011
11:29 am

“I wont be surprised if we fall to 6th and play Miami. ”

The DASG would probably prefer this, since it would mean they can jack up the prices on those tickets. For all we know maybe the Hawks are tanking it on purpose so they can draw Miami.

as i said in the other blog as a season ticket holder i would prefer this to orlando as no one would want to see either team. howard is not a draw at all.

doc

March 24th, 2011
11:58 am

najeh, i had 44-48. that may not happen either.

Mike is back

March 24th, 2011
12:00 pm

Please, Trade LD already…what a joke.

ag

March 24th, 2011
12:01 pm

Were is that fire Larry Drew website?

KevinM

March 24th, 2011
12:01 pm

I am reading apples and oranges, apples being JC2 and no conscience on teh court and Teague who has proven he can play with Ty Lawson and whoever else he’s compared to. He’s our closest thing to Westbrook.
There is not another player on this roster that can do what Teague does, while all the other parts on this team are interchangeable. Perhaps that’s why Larry doesn’t like him: he’s one dimensional!

Its safe to say that had we kept JC2, we wouldn’t be any better than we are now….how many more low percentage jump shooters do you want on this team? JJ and JC1 don’t have enough shots going up?

With Teague, we are just flat out better. I don’t care what Larry thinks. He is just taking his own career down with him. I know Larry would play Drew II over him, so get him out of here, before he convinces the ASG that his son needs major minutes.

ag

March 24th, 2011
12:02 pm

I mean fire larry drew on facebook

doc

March 24th, 2011
12:02 pm

to the baseblall worle where life is still good:

barry’s head is getting smaller:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011-03-23/only-thing-wrong-with-the-bonds-trial-is-fehr-and-selig-arent-co-defendants

i agree totally with this reporter.

Jamm on

March 24th, 2011
12:05 pm

Tired of hearing about AL Horford being so good he’s a solid player that played four years of college ball. AL just does not have the motor of a true allstar. I like Al he just does not dominate on a constant basis at all . True allstars demand the ball and respect if they have cofidence in their game. The time is now for Al to step up and be a leader for this team if he really wants to be considered an allstar. The great ones dont settle for their teammates to be lazy and heartless.

ag

March 24th, 2011
12:06 pm

I cannot believe Rick Sund or even the ASG is stupid. They see what we saw. The national media who stuck around watched the “core” get blown out by 40 points, and watched Jeff Teague score all the points in the fourth. They also wonder how much better JT would be and make the team with the starters. They also know KH is a B level pt guard who can play SG. They also know MW is a bust and Joe is the best post player we have.. so him playing SF is okay. They know we are 4-3 starting Teague -dispite what the box score says.

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
12:17 pm

Well, Jeff T’s PER is now equal with Jamals, and Jeff give you alot better D.

Jeff’s PER is 14.3, Marvin’s is 13.3, ZaZa’s is 11.8, Kirk’s is 11.3

Jeff averages more blocks per game than ZaZa and Marvin.

Jeff averages more steals than Marvin. Despite playing less than half his minutes.

On a per minute average, Jeff:

Far more steals than Josh Smith, by far our leader in that category

More points than Hinrich or Marvin

Almost as many blocks as Al

Far more assists than Kirk, Jamal, Josh, or Al

Far more boards than Jamal or Kirk. He almost outrebounds Jamal straight up in less than 1/2 the minutes.

He is by far our fasterst player, our best penetrator, and our only PG that can defensively stay with quicker PG’s.

But he’s so sturdy, he can stick with guys taller than him.

LD, please don’t be so stupid as to not play this kid. We are fans. He gives us the best chance to win. Come on LD, give the kid a chance.

cp

March 24th, 2011
12:20 pm

Its hard to win games when the head coach doesn’t think playing bad defense is a problem…….As bad as JC2 shooting percentages are, he has still been more productive than JC1 has been recently.

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
12:20 pm

Hawks are 3-8 in their last 11 games.There is no such thing as a guarantee win with this group of scrubs…………..They are playing some of the worst basketball in the league right now!!!!!!!!!!!Scrubs………………………….Bye Josh,Bye Marvin,Bye JC, run dont walk…………………………….

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
12:20 pm

43 wins at most………

slimjr

March 24th, 2011
12:22 pm

AL for NENE yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sleepy

March 24th, 2011
12:27 pm

Teague sucks you can post all the stats you want but that doesnt change the truth. Some of you are doing the same thing you did with Marvin Al and Josh which got us in this position in the first place.

ridiclous ……….

Section 303

March 24th, 2011
12:35 pm

After ripping him most of the year and getting on fellow posters call for him to play more, I have now switched sides. I am firmly in the camp that says Teague should play more. He has played well enough, I think. And, he has proven to have a better shot than I thought.

Some of you talking about Jordan Crawford…….here’s what I liked about him: he was/is fearless. He does not play scared at all. Thinking about the Boston game, over Thanksgiving (the one where they beat us by 100pts). Jordan Carwford came in an hit shots, even had a dunk. His shot selection needs work, but he can hit the long range shots and is not afraid to take them. We’ve all seen so many of the other Hawks play afraid. Never Jordan.

That being said….I still like the trade for Hinrich. I think Hinrich is a good player and has played well since coming to Atlanta.

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
12:36 pm

I mean didn’t Northcyde run stats showing that by far our best on court combination for Offense and Defense was Teague with the starters?

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
12:37 pm

That’s obvious to the fans, shouldn’t it be obvious to the Coaches?

And Section 303 – Welcome over!

rusty

March 24th, 2011
12:38 pm

Sleepy you need to go back to bed & catch a few more zzzzzzzzzz.

sam'

March 24th, 2011
12:38 pm

KevinM….They HAVE to fire Drew for good reasons and bad reasons. The same way they HAD to fire Woodson. Nobody who watched the Orlando playoff could stand seeing that again. No one now watching repeated 40-point losses is enjoying the games. Simply because it is exposing pathological problems of heart, desire, BRAINS and the sick feeling that the Hawks have lost touch with reality itself to the point where they can’t play a game of basketball.The shock that something is horribly wrong with their minds and their spirits. Like the team is in some kind of metaphysical Hell. And my sincere hope that watching this team and running their inept patterns and bewildered facial expressions through my mind doesn’t make me susceptible to catching the disease.

For this reason, LD is gone. Bank on it.

If they were smart, or not so desperate, ASG WOULD GET RID OF DREW TONIGHT and hire someone so strong he could get to the club. Make the last 10 or so games an experimental clinic and let everyone know that losing the first round means losing their job.

Chance this team will be sold by July 70%, chance of moving away 90%.

Whatever disease the Hawks have must be buried forever. Encasing Philips concrete would be good. Or maybe let CNN move in there next.

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
12:39 pm

Sleepy – So are you saying Al and Josh are bad also? Just curious.

It’s the head coaching and really nothing else at this point that prevents us from reaching our potential. If you get a competent guy in here, and the players still don’t listen, trade until you get guys that will. Simple

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
12:44 pm

Didn’t Teague just own Andre Miller the other night? And Miller is way better than Bibby. Think LD was going to let Teague destroy Bibby? No way.

lp

March 24th, 2011
12:51 pm

Seems like the bandwagon got a lil lighter, but I’m still down with the hawks

Sleepy

March 24th, 2011
1:02 pm

Im saying that Al and Josh in there current forms are a creation of the fans . Less rebounding and defense more touches ….run the offense through them was the wish and look where its gotten us .

Our best 3 players game dont compliment each other because now each of there games all begin and end with how many shots did I get.

Teague caught the Blazers and Millers on the second game of a back to back and the last game of a 5 game southeast road trip .

Since then he has only played well in garbage time and has been invisible in every siongle game matched up against starting quality guards .

Now does that mean I never want to see him play ? Of course not I believe Teague should get some minutes however he is a two guard in a point guards body with limited outside shooting.

STRETCH

March 24th, 2011
1:18 pm

Pachulia benching

Coach Larry Drew met with center Zaza Pachulia after Tuesday night’s loss to Chicago. Drew pulled Pachulia with 8:12 left to play and the Hawks down 45 points after what the coach said was an ill-advised shot that Pachulia took, probably because the game was already out of hand.

“The one thing I’ll never allow to happen with this team is for us to do things that are not going to benefit the team,” he said.

Oh really??? Like, Josh Smith’s chilish attitude? Or like the continuous jump shooting they show night in and night out?

MistaGamer

March 24th, 2011
1:23 pm

Sleepy

There is a very good reason why Teague as only played well in garbage time, he’s ONLY PLAYED IN GARBAGE TIME!! lol

Chris E

March 24th, 2011
1:28 pm

I like everyone else is discussed in the Hawks play recently and am pass my boiling point with them. I recently had a brief conversation with a past Hawks player and he was saying the same thing that most people have said, “Get a legitimate Big”, LD play a solid rotation, and stop Josh from shooting so many jumpers!!!!

I would add to that, “Put Teague in the rotation permanently”, define the players roles, take JC out at the end of games and run plays for JJ at the end of games.

The way I see it, although JJ has seemingly lost a step and is playing like garbage lately. He is still our best option and if players will start to cut to the basket he can find them out of the double team. I was a fan of the motion offense early in the season but now I have my doubts about it. Especially when compared to the Hawks efficiency on offense last year. As much as I hate to say it, Iso Joe is much better than this crap!!!!!!!

The Hawks are not utilizing our talent well!!!! There problem is scheme and coaching. Plain and Simple!!! There is something to what Joe said. They look lost at the end of games and don’t quite know who is doing what. Its horrible to see, because they don’t have good leadership.

A good coach can address the problems the Hawks have and with their talent they could be something special, but a coach that is unwilling to play his bench players regularly and discipline his superstars until they by into his way is doomed to fail!!!!!!!!!!!!

LD your days are numbered.

SteveW

March 24th, 2011
1:35 pm

Sleepy – most of that post just doesn’t hold water. What about Teague on Nash, Curry, Jennings etc.? Teague has held his own against most every PG he’s played against the last month.

And the sg/pg deal is so old and been rehashed around here. Just not true.

And the fans made Al an All Star? Better check how he got on the team.

STRETCH

March 24th, 2011
1:37 pm

This from NBA.com:

So the same guys play in the same places and with the same guys, that keeping the second unit together thing, and you begin to see why it is so important to Thibodeau in building the habits that teams like, say, the Hawks don’t have.

“It’s starting to get embarrassing,” said Josh Smith, who should know as he’s a primary reason. “We’re too good a team to be getting blown out of our own gym. Everything that could go wrong happened tonight. We didn’t help each other. This team is one of the hottest teams in the league. We didn’t show any resistance.”

I thought they did, especially Smith.

Resistance to playing good, smart basketball.

Smith is an athletic wonder, but he takes the league’s dumbest shots, bad, fadeaway jumpers over smaller opponents when drives would be easy. He came out after halftime in the first three minutes missing three stand still 20 footers. And the coach lets him. You’d never see that with the Bulls, who also have a rookie head coach, though you wouldn’t know it.

There were famous squabbles between Smith and former coach Mike Woodson in Atlanta, and now you can see why they were necessary and why the Hawks were better under Woodson. Drew has no hold on the team and they are way out of control to the point of indifference. It was most evident at the end of the game with the Bulls getting a last rebound with 21.9 seconds left up 36 and dribbling the ball out so as not to further embarrass the Hawks.

So their resident idiot, Hilton Armstrong, comes up behind Watson and steals the ball and shoots a three. Thibodeau was furious. Play to the last buzzer. Sure. They had barely played for 47 minutes. Though Armstrong is known for that kind of stunt as once when he was with the Kings in a career marked by being an underachiever and erratic, he went to shake hands with Earl Clark, then of the Suns, with a few seconds left in a blowout loss and when Clark reached to shake Armstrong stole the ball. He didn’t have time to score then, unfortunately. This time he made a three to get the Hawks deficit down to 33.

“I’m at a loss for words,” said Drew.

As well as a loss of control.

Ah, but that’s the soon to be out in the first round of the playoffs Hawks.

northcyde

March 24th, 2011
1:38 pm

As for the Jordan Crawford debate, here’s an interesting look as to what players in NBA history he can be compared to.

I sorted this according to:

- rookie season ONLY
- position: GUARD
- height: 6-3 or 6-4
- usage: 25% or over
- PER: of 10 of over
- Games: played in 30 or more

Historically, you get 15 players who fit this criteria. When you sort this group according to PER, here are how those players rank:

1) Steve Francis
2) Dwyane Wade
3) Marcus Thorton
4) Otis Birdsong
5) Freeman Williams

6) Voshon Lenard
7) Darrell Walker
Russell Westbrook
9) Ben Gordon
10) Darrell Griffith

11) Ed Gray
12) Andrew Toney
13) Rex Chapman
14) Willie Green
15) Jordan Crawford

When you click on that link, and start sorting the different categories, it looks like Jordan Crawford right now, most compares to guys like Rex Chapman, ex-Georgia Bulldog Willie Green, or Ed Gray. Yes, Ed Gray the former Atlanta Hawk, and the guy I used to see play at the U of Tennessee back in the mid 90s as a freshman and sophomore, before he transferred to Cal.

Ed was out of the league in 2 years. Willie is still hanging around the league after 8 years. And Rex intrigued people enough with his overall skills, to stay in the league for 11 years and was a starter in about 70% of the games he played in.

Now that I think about it, that’s EXACTLY how Jordan plays like. Rex really wasn’t all that efficient, but he did have the overall skillset when it comes to handling and passing the basketball. And he had the ability to create and make his own shot as a streak shooter. Rex definitely wasn’t known for his defense.

I think Jordan may skew more toward Rex than Ed, because he’s playing alongside John Wall, a speed demon at the point. That can do nothing but help Jordan develop into a basketball player. And the fact that Jordan can make plays with the ball in his hands, will help his longevity in the NBA.

Rex’s career numbers:

14.6 ppg
2.7 asst
2.5 rebs
0.9 stls
1.5 tos

43% FG
35% 3FG
80% FT

I think that may be Jordan’s ceiling as a player. I don’t see him developing into a Dwyane Wade or Steve Francis. And he doesn’t shoot the long ball well enough to be a Ben Gordon. And he’s not explosive enough athletically to be a Russell Westbrook.

But I could see him develop into a Rex Chapman.

clancy

March 24th, 2011
1:46 pm

Some (a lot?) of people want to make PT an issue between JT and Kirk. I don’t see it that way at all. Kirk’s running the team fine as he’s starting to get acclimated and the other guys aren’t trying to play at PG as much. JT is also running the team fine when getting a shot. JT shoots more, so he scores more – then again, he hasn’t spent as much time on the court lately with JJ and Josh, who demand a higher percentage of shot attempts. And while everyone (I include myself here) believes JT can handle PT when it counts (ie, not garbage time) and against the better opponents, the fact remains that he hasn’t been put in those positions so we really can’t know how much it would have changed things.

The issue as I see it is that, between these two, they should be playing all the PG minutes. Jamal should not be the designated ball handler and set-up man. Kirk succeeds by playing hard, which typically means he’ll be more effective in fewer minutes. I’d like to see a 28-30 Kirk and 18-20 JT split of PG minutes, and wouldn’t mind seeing a few more minutes of them on the court together in a smaller but quicker lineup. Obviously that would be the general plan, but easily flexible when one or the other is having a great game or struggling.

JT deserves regular PT, both for his play and for his development. But Kirk is not the problem with the team, and I think he’s taking too much of the blame for JT not playing and for the overall team woes of late.

Johnny Q

March 24th, 2011
1:54 pm

Good thing Bibby left this sinking ship and is now on a title contender. The Hawks are mediocre at best and need to start rebuilding. The current squad will never make a run in the playoffs.

initial J

March 24th, 2011
2:05 pm

clancy I see very few people on this blog, if any, blaming Kirk for Teague’s lack of playing time. That’s clearly on Larry Drew. I’m in the camp that believes JT should be the starter. LD is the only person on this planet that thinks playing Jamal at the point is a good idea.

Chris E

March 24th, 2011
2:11 pm

Clancy, I totally agree with you. JC should get more of JJ’s minutes and rarely play pg. JJ plays too many minutes and has not been nearly as productive as in the past. JC hasn’t either. I wish LD would shake things up a bit and roll the dice with Teague playing more behind Hinrich.

The Hawks can play a 9 man rotation: 2nd unit Teague, Damien, ZaZa & Collins. This will give Al time at the 4 and less minutes for the starters so they can be fresh at the end of games.

Sautee

March 24th, 2011
2:20 pm

northcyde,

Willie Green didn’t play at UGA.

mykhalc

March 24th, 2011
2:20 pm

lesson…NEVER buy somethin’ you CANNOT afford…PERIOD!!! you’ll either lose it or have to sell it in the end. KA BOOM!!!

northcyde

March 24th, 2011
2:27 pm

LOL . . I don’t know who I’m thinking about then. I guess I was thinking about Litterial Green.

Rev in Tampa

March 24th, 2011
2:44 pm

uh oh, the Hawks are playing on national tv again Saturday night against the Nets (NBA TV). What tattered shreds of self-respect that the Hawks still have left will be ripped to pieces by the NBA TV announcers if they lose.

But hey, at least they are not the Knicks.

clancy

March 24th, 2011
2:54 pm

Rev, if the Hawks lose a home game to the Nets, they will have no self-respect left for the NBA announcers to get to.

KevinM

March 24th, 2011
3:31 pm

At least the Nets have a PG they can grow with….Avery Johnson has a little beatdown on his mind since being considered by Sund and ASG as a lesser candidate than Coach Larry.

We’re creeping closer to .500 every day.

KevinM

March 24th, 2011
3:40 pm

Holman on the Hawks on 680..on last night’s broadcast, he quoted Lloyd Bridges, “I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue”

Priceless.

His opinion on last night’s game: He said the team forgot how to win a game on the road after being up 11 heading into the 4th. “They lost their swagger”

Holman likes our chances against Orlando better than anyone else in the playoffs based on where we likely will end up.

7 guys played in Philly on the 2nd of a back-2-back. Who do we point to for this? Our whole bench was inactive.

No way Larry gets fired after one season. That would mean management was totally wrong with their decision this past summer. They don’t accept responsibility now and are dishonest at best.

KevinM

March 24th, 2011
4:46 pm

Al is on with Rome this afternoon….he says the team is struggling right now. He likes the confidence of the team but they’re always ablet to bounce back. He called a group meeting and asked them to stick together the rest of the regular season and get ready for the playoffs.
Not really a lot to tell here, but he is being real careful with his words. I will say he said playing the 5 is tough especially at this time of year when you’re tired.

Al doesn’t sound sold on the problems on this team being behind him.

The Game Has Changed

March 24th, 2011
5:24 pm

I think we would have a better shot playing the Heat than the Magic. If we go 5-5 the rest of the season, the 76ers would have to go 8-3 just to tie us. I dont think they will do it.

Buddy Grizzard

March 25th, 2011
7:39 am

Sam, the Hawks aren’t going anywhere, regardless of the ownership situation. Georgia is a well-known incubator of NBA-level talent, AND NBA TV and TNT are based here. It would look bad for the league if an NBA team could not survive here. The Hawks problems all begin with the inept ownership group and roll downhill from there. If it gets bad enough, the NBA will purchase the franchise like it did New Orleans. The difference would be that while the NBA prefers to keep the Hornets in LA, the NBA board of governors would NEVER approve of the Hawks moving to another city. They’ll buy the team and find competent ownership for it if it comes down to that.

ld this ain’t no bandwagon… I was at Randy Whittman poster night when I was in cub scouts.

bigeasy830

March 25th, 2011
10:39 am

@Najeh Davenpoop

“Atlanta fans grip and moan and wish for players like Dwight Howard and othe future free agents that they will never get but don’t raise heck about good players they had and the sorry organization lets go. Atlanta fans must demand better judgement from their teams ownership and management and giving away a talented kid like Jordan Crawford is a good example.”

You think not showing up to games and chanting MVP for opposing players isn’t a strong enough statement against Hawks management”

Evidently it’s not, they are making no effort to better the team. They are hiring cheap coaches that are not good and a cheap GM that is even worse. The people that are chanting MVP for the opposing players are that team and player fans not Hawks fan. The Hawks fans are just complianing, gripping, moaning and wishing.

bigeasy830

March 25th, 2011
10:57 am

@Section 303

“After ripping him most of the year and getting on fellow posters call for him to play more, I have now switched sides. I am firmly in the camp that says Teague should play more. He has played well enough, I think. And, he has proven to have a better shot than I thought.

Some of you talking about Jordan Crawford…….here’s what I liked about him: he was/is fearless. He does not play scared at all. Thinking about the Boston game, over Thanksgiving (the one where they beat us by 100pts). Jordan Carwford came in an hit shots, even had a dunk. His shot selection needs work, but he can hit the long range shots and is not afraid to take them. We’ve all seen so many of the other Hawks play afraid. Never Jordan.”

My point exactly, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford are what they are. They have been in the league long enough they will not get better, plain in simple. Al Horford is getting better, no doubt he is the best player on the hawks team. But Jordan Crawford and Teague can develop. Teague reminds me of Marvin he is just too timid right now, hopefully he can shake it. Jordan Crawford plays with heart and fearlessness, you can’t coach that. He has skills. You can coach him up on other aspects of the game. Like patience and letting the game come to you and not force it. But he has the skills and a killer instinct that will make him a very good player. Jordan Crawford is the sam guy that had that highlight dunk over Lebron James during a summer camp, when Jordan was till at Xavier. He was fearlessthen and he plays fearless now. I also noticed how hard he played the few times he did get in the games for the Hawks. Josh Smith plays that way at times and use to play that way more consistenly his first couple of years in the league. Al plays that way most of the time.

My point is you all complain about the team having no heart, I agree. but even worse the management traded away a player that played with the most heart when he got the opportunity.

RustyDanielson

March 25th, 2011
11:58 am

JonnyQ: I disagree with you. This current group of Hawks can WIN THE NBA TITLE THIS YEAR. All they have to do to win the title is do two things: #1:Fire Larry Drew and #2:Hire former Utah Jazz coach Jerry Sloan. Making those two moves will GUARANTEE THE HAWKS THE GOLD TROPHY THIS SEASON.

DreamWeaver

March 25th, 2011
4:27 pm

The Hawks have 10 games remaining. The season CAN STILL BE A BANNER YEAR IF THE HAWKS HAVE A QUICK TEAM MEETING AND RESOLVE TO WIN THE REMAINDING GAMES ON THEIR SCHEDULE. A 50-win season in any year is a heck of an accomplishment. Teams that win 50 games are capable of winning the NBA championship. The Hawks are so depressed right now (demonstrated by their sloppy play of late) that the Hawks could not even challenge the Cleveland Caviliers to a game of marbles. This is how bad the Hawks are playing. The Hawks right now cannot beat the Cavs and would probably lose to the Cavs by 20 to 30 points. What the Hawks need to do is get serious about the season and just decide they will play out the string of 10 games, playing as hard as they can. I AM STILL CONVINCED THAT IF THE HAWKS PLAY AS HARD AS THEY CAN, THEY WILL WIN THE NBA CROWN THIS SEASON, HANDS DOWN WITHOUT ANY RESISTANCE AT ALL. Thats how good they are and can be. The Hawks must believe they are a great team and it will start manifesting itself on the court.

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