Atlanta Hawks: Bulls 114, Hawks 81

wow! LD YOU HAVE LOST THIS TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!KICK ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yOUR GIRLS QUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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QUITERS,QUITERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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THIS IS WHAT THE 1ST RD PLAYOFF WILL LOOK LIKE FOR AL AND THE GIRLS……………………..

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From the previous blog:

I’m afraid there is no one simple answer that will instantly transform this team into the real contenders we all want them to become.

The core that once was fearsome in a weakened East is now mediocre at best. Benching Marvin and/or playing Teague isn’t going to close the talent/intangible gap that separates the Hawks from the rest of the better teams in the league.

I don’t know if it’s rebuilding time again, but I don’t have much confidence in Rick Sund being the guy to provide a revised vision and, sadly, the team has clearly digressed under Coach Drew.

Whatever the correct set of answers may be, it had better include attracting some superstar talent. It appears the so-called “Detroit model” of a championship team only worked for Detroit, so I think we can put that idea to rest.

The team has a winning record, and that is good, but this team is wrong and we all know it.

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“energy”

lmfao

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I would be embarrassed to be first on anything involving this team.

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^^Since the Bibby trade I mean.

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i am truly tired of this team..

jj…why are we paying you this money? what is the point of your existance on this team. we were at our best this year when you were hurt and marvin played the 2. and i do believe that jamal crawford has already checked out for the rest of the year so put in jordan… oh wait he is gone.

why must we always suckkkkkkk

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Chicago just hit another three

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ISO IS LAUGHING TONIGHT BECAUSE HE COLLECTED 200K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SUCKERS………………………..

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it’s simple…THEY SUCK!!! NO LEADERS, NO HEART, NO HC!!! JJ…laughin’ on the bench!! ‘it is what it is’!!!??? WTF!!! gettin’ paid for NO EFFORT!!!! NICE!!!! stupid ass ASG, HC, and team!!! i really hope they play themselves outta the playoffs!!! KA BOOM PLEASE!!!! ASAP!!!

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@Najeh:
To answer your question from the last blog: JJ doesn’t sound high. He sounds tired. Disgusted. Resigned. He mentions more than once “we’ve had countless meetings over the season.” Go back and listen to his tone when he says they’ve had meetings that didn’t mean anything.

He says it over and over: we know what to do, we talk about what to do, but we go out there and don’t do it. The trust issues coming out big-time from him as well as the resulting personal agendas because they don’t trust each other (”we don’t have each other’s backs”). I’m going to harp on The Five Dysfunctions of a Team until LD reads that book!!!

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That is so funny telling zazza that he shouldn’t take a jumpshot early in the cloak, that he has to play the game the right way, this is comming from a guy who let’s his favorites do what ever they want & never holds them accountable for anything sorry zazza.

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This team will be sold and hopefully that will bring change. We need a new GM and a new coach to go with a new owner who wants to win and will spend to do so. Players have to go and some new ones with talent and a heart can be brought in. Oklahoma City is a perfect example of what can happen when you get the right people in place. We have some good pieces but we have no direction and no leaders.

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Long time Hawks fan, feel worse now than when we were 13-69. At least then we knew we were garbage, and at least lottery picks were in the future. This is absolutely terrible, and the worst part about it: We are in essence stuck with this team “the core” as ASG and Sund like to call it. The core is hollow. Things need to be shaken up. Larry Drew needs to be fired, he is not worthy of being a head coach. Woody was canned and he won 53 games with in essence the same team. 45-37 for this bunch is what to expect. I keep reading about us vs. Orlando in the playoffs, who is to say Philadelphia won’t catch us? They are only 3 behind us in the loss column. Garbage.

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Not good enough to be great, not bad enough to get a top lottery pick……it’s going to take years to recover from this mess of a franchise

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JJ is the last one who should be talking, iso Joe who dribbles all over the place looking for his shots good or bad,showing no leadership sitting on the bench laughing his ass off. God let’s keep him & pay him 123m when he’s shooting like a scrub

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the ATL TRASHERS!!!!

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Chicago just scored again…

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This team has devolved from;
potential, to questionable, to mediocre, to quitting, to embarrassing.

And that’s just this month!

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TRASH…for short

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sad to hear LD making an example of zaza, he has got to be kidding and losing the respect of all on a play like that to make someone a whipping boy when zaza has been giving a lot more than most of his starters the last few games. just a little rat play on small cheese when his whole staring line up and smoy are doing the same to cost him his job. no character in him is what i see. i asked in a blog many moons ago as he began to fracture, panic or frustration? still feel it was panic and know now it was. the ship is sinking fast.

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Mr. Cunningham:

If possible could you try to figure out what happened
on or around Feb 8th this season.
(perhaps something internal)
That seems to be a tipping point.
It was the philly loss [blow-out] @ home.
They [the Hawks] have not been the same since that game.

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Another thing I don’t understand is LD’s rotation especially when it comes to Jeff Teague. He gives Jeff praise all day and all night, but still doesn’t use him until we are being blown out (most of the time). I know Jeff has been inconsistent, but thinking back to the Portland game and Milwaukee how he played nice D on Andre Miller and B. Jennings. Knowing Jeff has speed I thought it would have made sense for LD to possibly start him and try to slow down D.Rose.

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Najeh – I’m close to. The only reason i think I still watch them now is because I think what is happening is like a bad horror movie; It’s so bad it’s funny.

And you think “surely LD won’t do this; or that etc.” and he does, and it’s just so unbelievable. Or surely Smoove won’t jack up a jumper now, and he does. etc.

Just really bad at this point. Unbelievable really. I don’t think anyone could have foretold the immensity of the meltdown, or the rapidity.

I mean if LD is back next season, I see a realistic scenario where we lose 50 in a row. I’m not joking.

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@doc, yes what you say is true, but none of the problems with the Hawks are new. Except for Drew, and to some extent JC1, all the limitation predate Rick Sund.

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Good thing we’re tanking so that no one will expect it when Pape Sy comes in and plays like Lebron James in the playoffs. Or is that the Hawks-meth talking?

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kirk his inaction has compounded it. he kept the bk blueprint though we all knew it flawed. it is either his baby now or gearon’s and the askg, no excuses three tears later.

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Najeh Davenpoop

March 23rd, 2011
12:27 am

“3-2 when Teague plays 20+ minutes. 3-7 when he doesn’t.

Just saying.

Teague = really the only reason I continue to watch Hawks games.”

Co-sign that last sentence of your post. I’ve felt this way all season to be honest with you. Felt that way about Teague and JC2. After last season’s whopping we took in the playoffs, I was hoping Drew would’ve handled young talent better than Woody did, but that hasn’t been the case. At some point this season, I pretty much lost all hope for this squad, and I’m sure I’m not the only one. The only thing that kept me intrigued was the hope of seeing the rooks. We’ve come to know what to expect out of this team, mediocority. Seeing young guys get playing time at least adds an element of surprise/uncertainty to the games.

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L.D. said he told Zaza he didn’t like the jump shot he attempted on the previous possession: “You don’t go on your own, you don’t start trying to do things you aren’t capable of doing. You don’t deviate from what the team is expecting. You continue to play the right way. That was either a shot where he saw he was about to come out of the game or just a bad shot.”

Has he ever said/done this with Josh?

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So tired of the talk, only to get blow out, over, and over, and over ,and over…

Not even fun to watch anymore when you know the outcome. We either blow out or barely win vs scrub teams, and barely win or are blown out vs good teams. There is no inbetween, those are the only results.

This off-season is going to be do or die for the ASG and Rick Sund. If they can’t vastly improve this team, and make it fun to watch again, then the Hawks are going to see Thrasher-like attendance.

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At this point, mediocrity is an understatement. This team has no direction, no leadership, no pride, and little hope for the future. The only thing I am happy about now is that Jordan Crawford does not have to put up with this ish anymore. He will be an all-star in 2 years if that long.

Feel bad for Teague and ZaZa. Both deserve more playing time than all of our starters.

It is my prediction that if we keep the same core, head coach, and ASG group beyond this year, we will be the worst team in the NBA.

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Death Row!

“DRMARYB, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS GAME TONIGHT THE WORST LOSS OF THE SEASON?”
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Slimjr Baby

This debacle was right on par with a death row inmate. Charles Manson and Ted Bundy horrific and unforgivable, (no disrespect to their victims whatsoever). This loss rated as:

The worst of the worst.
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We can all agree that Mr. Woodson had ran his course and continue that bebate into eternity. But, he took this team to a point that we will never see again.

In Mr. Woodson’s defense? He took a 13 win team, developed what talent he had. Without a PG and Center he was cooking with old fish grease and served one tasty meal. He milked this roster into two round 2 beat downs and we will never even see that again in our lifetimes.

He had Josh and Al glued to the paint, lead the league in fewest TO’s,
we went from to 3rd best offense ranking to 25th, top tier rebounding team to 29th and josh taking 7 three point attempts to 150?. This team was disciplined and as flawed as this roster is we were 13th in defense.
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When Sund and ASKG laid all the blame at his feet? They collectively put the light on the real problem, when they stuck their back sides out the window of the glass tower penthouse floor. When we pounded this blog with more heart and demanded block buster trades? They did nothing but say, “we like our core!” They flipped the door sign from open to closed and has been closed ever since.
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In a way, I’m glad this team is being exposed for what they are:
Snake Oil. Perhaps, they will lower their asking price and find a buyer before next season starts. These 8 feces throwing orangutans are misers. They are wealthy but was never rich. These cats bought this team thinking they would be licking their fingers and counting their money with minimal input. But, their plan was always to operate on the cheap. They have filed more lawsuits in court than a criminal prosecutor
ever could in, a crime leading metropolitan city.

Slimjr, have you ever seen the eight of them sit court side to watch their own product? And, they want me to do that? I’d rather go to
Zoo Atlanta and see a real live orangutan throw his feces at a bamboon’s azz! They do it with more heart. I am so apathetic right now, these losses don’t even bother me one bit.
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For the love of basketball – Start Teague!

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niremetal

March 23rd, 2011
1:12 am

L.D. said he told Zaza he didn’t like the jump shot he attempted on the previous possession: “You don’t go on your own, you don’t start trying to do things you aren’t capable of doing. You don’t deviate from what the team is expecting. You continue to play the right way. That was either a shot where he saw he was about to come out of the game or just a bad shot.”

Has he ever said/done this with Josh?
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Case and point why LD must go and quick. As i said before, selective accountability=no accountability.

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Everyone talks about getting a center, and I must admit, i thought an athletic team could win. Maybe it’s implied with the get a center thing, but WHY CAN’T THIS TEAM REBOUND? Every time we get burned bad we are outrebounded like crazy.

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I think that the reason we really love to watch the hawks is that they are like watching soaps & LD is the queen of the whole insanity

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O’Brien,

“But yet Rod is saying if Kirk was good, the Bulls would not have drafted Rose?”

No that’s not what Rod was saying. Rod was saying that if Kirk was “Excellent” as Vava and you think, the Bulls would not have drafted another point guard. But they knew he was average at best, and drafted a superstar.

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“I am going to keep trying.” he said. “Right now I think the most important thing with our team has nothing to do with Xs and Os. It’s got to do with just our whole mental state. Coming out and playing hard and sustaining that and being able to play hard for four quarters. I am going to continue to try to preach that message. Hopefully it will get through as we wind down this regular season.”

As I stated in a previous blog, “Do or Do not, never TRY” Trying is for losers. So, LD Tag, you’re it! I disagree with LD assessment of the game, X’s and O’s are also part of the problem. The #1 problem is DEFENSE. They can’t STOP their opponents even if their life depended on it. When your opponent shoots 76% in the 1st half while the Hawks shoots 50%, and still down by 20 points, the problem is clearly defense. At the beginning of the season, LD trashed Woody’s switching defense. He made it clear, that the Hawks was going to “man-up” and guard their man one-on-one. But since these pretenders don’t know how to fight through screens, they will always be subjected to blow-outs. This time, however, they can’t blame Bibby because he’s not here. Actually in the 2nd half, the Hawks went to a switching defense with some success, but by then, the bulls was in a groove and the game was out of reach; Again, a day late with the adjustments and a dollar short.

These players need a coach to show them the errors of their ways. LD can’t just tell his players to just play harder and work things out for themselves. They need directions to play SMARTER. He has lost his team because he’s lost his “coaching voice” and not showing them anything relevant, just to play harder I say that because they seem ignorant of what they are doing wrong. LD has re-defined the word insanity and the players have grown tired of it as evident from JJ (out of character) outburst:
“We are a team that sits here in this locker room and talk about all the time ‘What we’ve got to do, what we need to do,’” he said. “And then we go out on the floor and do things that are out of our character. It makes us all look bad. Until we get that part of the game down we are going to continue to look bad. We have had countless meetings throughout the season that have meant nothing. I don’t even know what to say about it.”
If LD had some real balls, he’ll fire his assistant defensive coach Kenny Gattison tomorrow just to shake things up. It would likely have “zero effect” since he as had “zero effect”. What exactly has he brought to the table anyway? These blow-outs are a direct result of poor defense and he hired him for that reason. In that regard, we have gone from the penthouse to the “out-house” in one season. Just like his players, his coaching staff should also be held accountable. Perhaps it a moot point anyway, if the owners are selling the team, LD is a “dead man walking”.

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For all of you who think Marvin an Kirk are such great defensive players, Chicago’s starting point guard and starting small forward combined for 57 points while shooting well over 50% from the field, while Marvin and Kirk combined for a total of 9pts. So not only did they not defend anybody, they provided no offense either. But Kirk is an EXCELLENT player (LOL).

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Mary Ellen

I’ll always be an educator:
Charles Manson is not on death row.
[believe it or not]
His death sentence was commuted due to a fluke.
He has come up for parole 11 times [amazing].
He has been denied 11 times.
He comes up for parole again in 2012.
He is now 74 years old. (3 years older than rusty) ha!

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Cadbury Chocolate Easter Egg!

The Hawks are like a Cadbury Chocolate Easter Egg:
Pretty but hollow.

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Chastising ZaZa is like fighting over bed sheets on the Titantic.

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Chris Webber callin out the Hawks “leadership” on TNT now….clearly a shot at Drew and the owners

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Go Braves

Jason Heyward for MVP

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LOL @ Drew getting mad at Zaza for taking a jumper. We have a team full of guys who take questionable jumpshots throughout the game. Why get mad at Zaza for taking a jumper during a blowout?

SMH @ TNT . . . The Hawks are so disrespected and irrelevant, that even the box score showing Teague’s name was wrong.

Who is “G. Teague”?

Did Jeff started spelling his name with a G? Or was the stupid video editor thinking of former Dallas Cowboy George Teague, when he put that G. Teague scored 20 points.

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Larry drew & rick sund have to go too !!! Go Braves,Falcons & Bulldogs. Joe Johnson Sucks

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lol

Geoff Teague

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These fans are STONE BLIND! Do any1 in the ATL understand what’s happening? I will tell you once again.

#1 ASG don’t care about a black fanbase(white folks wouldn’t tolerate players like JJ/JS and would demand for them to be eradicated from the team and ASG will make it happen)

#2 JJ could careless how black folks feel about him. He gets a kick out of making the fanbase feel bad after losing games at home.(didn’t anyone see him shoot the ball after LD called a timeout when they were getting mugged by the Bulls?) Playing at home gives this clown pleasure to manipulate the fans). Too his credit he at least tried to tell you people that he doesn’t like you when he said he could careless if you came to the games or not. Don’t you people know a devil when you see one?

#3 JS is no difference. He is a spoil brat who wasn’t raise properly. He too could careless how the fans feel about him because keep shooting jumpers, dribbling ball upcourt and throwing the ball cross court when his pg is closest to him.

#4 This is ORGANIZE RACKETTEERING at best( you people are paying ASG enough money to keep the 8 members in the ATL even when they refuse to satisfy the fans.

#5 When you got players(JJ/JS) who done respect the game, it doesn’t matter what player you sign they will never be effected as a teammate.

For those who keep calling for JT to get minutes, FORGET ABOUT IT! As long as those 2 CULPRITS(JJ/JS) are on the team a pg has no chance.

Just MAYBE and I mean MAYBE! Maybe Bill Laimbeer can do something with those 2 CULPRITS(JJ/JS)

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Yeah, I thought maybe they confused him with George Teague too. Maybe Jeff is destined to one day go tackle some opposing player who celebrates in the middle of the court at Philips after a dunk or something.

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I still can’t get over that “old fish grease” analogy! LMAO!!!

Look, the best you going to get out of Joe Johnson is that he is a new age Phil Chenier or Kevin Grevey. His great numbers that mask the fact they never could pull a team over the top. Horford is like Oakley without the tenacity on the boards. Josh is a bit like Aguirre until Chuck Daly came along and gave him a super defined role on those Pistons teams.

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I am pretty sure Zaza will hit more of those shots than Jsmoove. LD has the same exact mentality as Mike Woodson when it comes to player development and the use of his bench.

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Organized Crime!

What The ASKG are doing is nothing short of a criminal act of racketeering.

Aye niremental! Can you file for an indictment under the Ricoh Act-sp?

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WE DONT NEED TO GET RID OF ANY PLAYERS, WE JUST NEED TO GO OVER THE SALARY CAP LIKE OTHER STAR TEAMS

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TAR-TIME Drive Thru Theatre
(No Shirt and Shoes Required)
$5.99 per person (kids under 8 FREE)
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Please select your feature film from the Movie Menu below:

Coming Soon!
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The Money Train (Starring: Joe Johnson)
Dr. Jekel & Mr. Hyde (Starring: Joe Johnson)
Pet Cemetary II (Starring: Nick Van Exel) digging up inner-dogs
Now You See Me – Now You Don’t ( Starring: Marvin Gaye Williams)
The Dukes of Hazzard (Starring: Josh Snith & Al “Boss Hog” Horford)
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Thank You! Come again

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Why is Drew taking Teague out of the rotation again? What the f~ck kind of sh!t is this.

This team is just unbelievable. I wish I was looking forward to the Braves as the rest of you. I love the Braves but I dont follow baseball in-depth. I’ll watch a game every now and then. But in all honesty I can’t tell a curve ball from a slider. Or a fast ball from a knuckle ball……or whatever it’s called.

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Larry Drew needs to sit his a$$ back in the assistant coachs chair. Or better yet move on down to where ever the towel boy sits. Even Woodson was’nt this bad. Drew is soft. The players are only tough as their coach is. Drew called out Zaza. Wow! Zaza!?

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@drmaryb –

Armageddon (Starring: ASG, Rick Sund, guest appearance by Billy Knight)

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“LD’s a bully. He picks on bench guys, but nary a word to his regualars or Jamal. Bibby or Mo either. Picks on guys he can hurt their playing time. What a joke.” – SteveW

“He gives Jeff praise all day and all night, but still doesn’t use him until we are being blown out (most of the time).” – K.W.

Larry Drew is a disingenuous person. That means he doesn’t tell the truth. He’s a liar. And at this point, I could really believe whoever it was that speculated that LD thinks his son is going to one day come to the Hawks and take over at PG. It’s like he’s desperately trying to keep JT off the floor cause he’s saving LD II a spot. And I think he’s jealous of the fact that Teague AND his brother have more talent than LD’s entire brood. Jealous of Kendall Marshall and his obese parents now Sharon Drew?

“Pape Sy comes in and plays like Lebron James in the playoffs. Or is that the Hawks-meth talking?” – Matt

Definitely the meth talking. Pape Sy can’t bring the ball up against D-League defense. He will never be a rotation NBA player. When his paychecks run out with the Hawks, he will head back to Europe in hopes of getting another paycheck and some minutes off the bench.

“Teague and Horford should be the captians. Everybody else is tradeable at this point.” – Booo!

For those of you lamenting Drew’s handling of Teague, let me provide you with the following ray of sunshine. Teague will outlast Larry Drew, Jamal Crawford and Kirk Hinrich with this Atlanta Hawks organization. He can become a restricted free agent after 2013/2014 and is signed to a very reasonable rookie scale contract paying $1.5m then $2.5m then $3.5m over the next three seasons. Teague IS THE FUTURE at the point guard position for the Hawks because JJ’s contract precludes them from getting anybody else. I don’t want to entertain any fantasies about getting Raymond Felton, even though he refuses to be a backup to Ty Lawson in Denver.

So after this season, Crawford is gone. He has faded badly this year and there’s no way the Hawks would go into the luxury tax to retain his diminishing services. That gives the Hawks a 3-guard rotation next year of Teague, JJ and Hinrich, assuming there is a next season. After next season, Hinrich comes off the books. Again, no way the Hawks keep him beyond his contract year unless he signs for a fraction of his current salary ($9m).

What we saw immediately after the Bibby trade was that Teague has finally arrived. He doesn’t have a jumper but neither does Rajon Rondo. He will never be the passer that Rondo is, but he can create the same problems with his quickness, defense and ability to get in the lane and score and draw fouls. LD can bury him on the bench until he’s fired or his contract runs out after next season, but Teague will still be here and TEAGUE CAN PLAY. The future is bright for the Hawks at the PG position… we finally found our guy.

Another happy side affect of Crawford’s absense from the rotation starting next year is that Marvin will finally have a chance to get consistent shots and establish himself as a legitimate starter in the NBA. He will never live up to the expectations he came into the league with. But with the right coaching and opportunities within the offense, he can become a player who is worth his salary. This can never happen as long as Crawford is there to hoist jumpers and play zero defense.

“WHY CAN’T THIS TEAM REBOUND? Every time we get burned bad we are outrebounded like crazy.” – HoosierHawk

Northcyde covered this… Rebounding is about desire, and COACHING. Not only do the Hawks take ill-advised long jump shots, you see 5 guys running back on defense while the ball is still in the air. They aren’t even expected to crash the boards, and that is a coaching issue. The right coach could get effort out of these guys. It looked like Elton Brand’s career was over but look what happened when he got a little inspired.

“His great numbers that mask the fact they never could pull a team over the top.” – JSS

When you look at what’s going on with New York right now, JJ is a very comparable player to Melo. They are both isolation players and volume shooters. Volume shooter means they have a high points per game average, but only because they take a lot of shots. This means they are not efficient players. Al Horford is an efficient player. He has one of the highest shooting percentages in the NBA, and it would make more sense from the standpoint of a team trying to win to feature him more in the offense.

This is why we keep talking about the Hawks’ failure to hire a statistician. If they had consulted someone versed in advanced stats before signing JJ to a max contract, they would have known that his numbers are inflated by the sheer volume of shots he was allowed to take by Woody and now LD. The Hawks organization would have been much better off trading him to New Jersey last offseason for 1 or 2 future lottery picks, where they could have had a chance to land a superstar on a rookie scale contract and maintain financial flexibility to bring in players who COULD put the Hawks over the top. Something JJ cannot, as JSS so accurately observed.

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I remember how angry I was after the beatdown that Hawks took from the Celtics early in the season. But last night I just laughed my way through the game while Teague sat on the bench. I really got some great belly-laughs every time Teague hit a 3 and made that great block.

Larry Drew has driven this team off the road and over a cliff. Even with the playoffs coming in three weeks the Hawks should consider firing him immediately. The anger of the fan base is only going to grow when we experience this HOT MESS in the playoffs.

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“The ship be sunk!”

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w-o-w! i didn’t realize how important bibby was to this team! say what you want to about bibby–he was the glue that made the team stay together. grant it he is getting old, can’t defend, can’t penetrate, can’t jump and really don’t pass all that well–but i’ll tell you this about him–he could atleast somehow manage to keep the hawks somewhat a float the past few years.

last night was a train wreck in slow motion!!! our offense is a disaster. the hawks shoot shots with absolutely no one underneath the basket. the opponent shoots shots with two players charging for the boards. we shoot ft’s and our lane guys don’t even look to see if they go in before they had back to the defensive end. they shoot ft’s and if they miss–the opponent challenges for the rebound.

we’re broke in every area–if this was a normal franchise i would expect to see hawks fire larry drew on the bottom line of espn today–but hey were the hawks–let’s see if he can turn them around by playoff time…or maybe bring bibby back as a player assistant.

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josh didn’t “walk” really all year until he hurt his knee

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lewis, yes, he did.

I’m at almost every home game. Have been for the past 7-years. I’ve watched that guy do a lot of walking up the court over the years. He needs to go. He kills this team. And, I mean KILLS this team.

Here’s hoping that we get Hubie Brown calling one of the four Hawks playoff games this year. Would love to hear Hubie call Josh out again for halfa$$ing up and down the floor.

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Definition of buzzard:
One of several large, slow flying hawks,
as the red-tailed buzzard. This is an
actual definition from the Harcourt, Brace &
World Standard College Dictionary.

The Hawks were wearing red last night and they
“stunk up the place”

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LD YOUR DONE, HE CAN’T HELP IT HE JUST CAN’T COACH.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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If it wasn’t for Teague, the Hawks would have
lost by 50 points!

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“GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE!”

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People asking for JT to start at the point reminds me of the NFL when people start asking for the backup quarterback and when he gets in they see why he is the backup.

No one is going to stop Rose or any of the quality NBA players. What you need is quality players to offset what they do. JT was a college player who was good at driving to the basket and looking for his shot.(not a NBA point guard quality) He cannot create for others.

As long as Smoove is aloud to bring the ball down the court and spend the majority of the offense at the 3 point line the hawks will not improve.

For you new hawks fans, we once had Nique Wilkins for our superstar and his play was just like Smooves. They brought in Lenny Wilkens as coach who benched Nique he strayed from what the caoch wanted him to do. That year he played the best ball of his career. Because Lenny got tired of forcing him to be a team player he was traded the next year for what proved to be big mistake for Danny Manning.

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I feel like I’m watching the charge of the light brigade by Tennyson.

LD I will not play Teague until we are destroyed.

Maybe Teague didn’t come out in favor of Drews hiring when the players went to ownership and requested it.

Or maybe this is all about a spot for LD II

Whatever it is, it’s both funny and sad at this point. But bad for the fans.

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LD = LK
Larry Drew = Lon Kruger
Both are nice guys.
This team needs a “Larry Brown” type coach.
I know he would not come here as long as the
team was owned by ASG. In addition, I know
they would not be willing to pay him what he is
worth!

The only way to improve this group of players
is with an excellent and proven coach. Since no team
is willing to take JJ or MW due to their salaries, the best
option is to get a top notch coach.

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If the hawks lose tonight Larry Drew should get the pink slip after the game.

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Fire LD!

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Mike Bibby plain sux….don’t even bring him into this conversation. He did nothing other than coax Woody and LD to play him. What a perverbial joke!
Fire LD now! There is no way this team wins 5 more games this entire season. It is embarrassing for Hawks devoteees to spend their hard earned $$ on this effort. And it is all about effort!

Its not mental; this team is just comfortable with each other.

Rick Sund – congrats! YOUR TEAM just imploded again!
This team is who we thought there were….

Message to Gearon and your sneaky ways….not another dime to support this team!

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Elizabeth Taylor. (RIP). DX: CHF (congestive heart failure)

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The more I watch this bunch the more I am changing my assessment of Woody.
Woody=COD (Coach of the Decade)

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How long does it take to complete the sale of an NBA franchise? I would rather have ASG worry about selling the team. The NBA can run this team til new ownership is in place to make their own hires. We can talk about coaching, GM, and player changes all day but real change needs to start at the TOP!

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From mark Bradley;

This is why you don’t promote the nice-guy assistant. Because the players who’ve known him only as the nice-guy assistant will quit on him. And if you think the Hawks are still playing hard for Larry Drew, how are we to explain the misdoings of the past three weeks?

The Hawks have lost six home games in 18 days. (By way of comparison, they lost seven home games all last season.) Only one of these six losses has been by fewer than 13 points. Average margin of the six losses — 17.2 points..

How does a team go 65-17 at home the last 2 seasons, but end up losing 15 games so far at home this season, and not only are they losing, but they have the 3 worst home losses in the NBA this season.

I would fire LD, and trade one of the core players this offseason.

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rofl at samuel.

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love ya drmaryb!!! You got many jokes!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

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now we know

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Shop AL
Shop Josh
Cut 90% of the bench
Waive Marvin
JC1 run dont walk
Fire Sund
Fire LD
Did I forget anybody??????? LOL
Start over………..

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all hands!!!! ABANDON SHIP!!!!! I REPEAT, ALL HANDS ABANDON SHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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THESE GUYS SUCK BIZZALLS…ENROLL THE WHOLE STARTING FIVE AND JAMAL CRAWFORD INTO QUITTERS ANONYMOUS!!!!

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What I saw last night was inexcusable. Fans can forgive lack of talent and cheapness, they cant forgive lack of heart and stupidity- which the Hawks have a whole lot of. There is nothing right about this organization from the owners to the players.

The Management:
The owners are constantly dysfunctional and the only time they opened up their wallets was to give Joe Johnson the worst contract in the freaking NBA. He is half the player Wade, Lebron, or Bosh is, yet gets paid more, and this is coming from a guy that HATES the Heat. Stop trading away our rookies and give them a chance! Jordan Crawford is proving that he is a legit scorer and even Acie Law is stepping it up as of late. The problem is not the rookies, it’s the coaches who won’t teach them how to play or give them a chance.

The Coaching:
Larry Drew is Woodson 2.0, still can’t run an offense, still can’t make adjustments, still won’t trust rookies, still can’t make his players play right (Josh Smith, stop shooting jumpers and BOX OUT). The motion offense looked nice at the start of the season, but everyone went back to old habits and now every possession is one guy playing one-on-one while everyone else watches. Also, I am pretty sure every single coach in the league tells his team “Alright guys, we’re playing the Hawks tomorrow, remember to leave Josh Smith wide open for long jumpers and threes”

The Players:
Josh Smith- Stop shooting jumpers, play in the paint, play defense, rebound. As brilliant as he sometimes is, this guy is killing our team with his attitude.
Marvin Williams- OK, he just has no talent, he’s not Chris Paul or Deron Williams and he never will be. I can’t really hate on him because he tries.
Al Horford- He is really the only solid player we have. He’s plays with unquestionable heart and effort out of position. He seems to be taking a leadership role but is still a little too nice. As much as we Hawks fans hate him, can you see KG letting his team bend over and take it like the Hawks did last night? Please trade Josh Smith and Joe Johnson before they can turn Horford into an apathetic heartless player.
Jeff Teague- Is he good or not? We can’t tell because the coach won’t give him minutes even after he proved himself worthy.
Joe Johnson- Worst contract in the NBA. We had two guys that could do his job, Jamal Crawford and Jordan Crawford, yet we decided to max him out instead of picking up a true center.
Jamal Crawford- It seems like he’s lost the will to live.
Zaza- He suffers from a combination of Teague and William’s problems. It appears he’s just not that good and the coach won’t give him a serious try either. Buckhead Bottle Bar has pretty bad service by the way, I hope you have replaced the 40-year-old floor manager with the frosted tips, but don’t pull an ASG, hire someone that actually acts differently than his predecessor.
Hinrich- You just landed in the same situation you were in before: dysfunctional team with a losing mentality, “star” player with the worst contract in the league, yep, we’re basically the Wizards with more talent, at least they let their rookies play (our rookies too), and at least their fans come out to games.

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I forgot:

The rest of the bench- Just keep going to practice and collecting your paycheck, be smart with your money and you can probably retire comfortably in 5 years, get a degree from GA State and take up that profession after the NBA. Larry Woodson will never let you play or help you develop your talents.

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he said that to zsa zsa because he is the foreign white whipping boy. pure and simple. the coach has to be the leader of the team. three captains = a team going in three different directions. stuck with joke johnson. gonna keep al. josh will hopefully be the odd man out UNLESS you get a coach that will tell him to keep himself around the basket at all times. josh is a horrible dribbler. no jump shot. just a long set shot. they will loose the first round against orlando 4 games to one.

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???????????? That’s the sound of CRICKET’S at Phillips……………………

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^^ zaza^^

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OH WELL, CAN’T WAIT FOR FOOTBALL SEASON, OH WAIT, THEY’RE LOCKED OUT..

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Truth be told, JJ is not playing at a All Star level. However, he is not the reason the Hawks are getting blown out. There is plenty of blame to go around and even “The Boss Big AL” needs to be called out. JJ atleast tried to will his team last night and if he had played a full game he would have likely had 20 plus points and a overall good assist and rebound number.

When JJ complains after a game, everybody says “JJ sucks” and we pay him all this money. What else do you expect the “captain” to say? Should he say we are meeting and trying to get better as a team? Should he say we are going to get better even though they get beat over and over the same way? I actually like it that someone is finally speaking out.

So yes, it is okay to blame JJ for not playing up to Allstar level, but let’s don’t forget that he is facing double teams just about every night and Josh, JC1, Marvin, Kirk and yes, The Big Boss Man, is not doing much either.

Everyone also wants to talk about JJ’s contract, but let’s remember he is not making $20 million this year. Therefore, it is the collective contracts of Marvin, Jamal ($10 million), Kirk, Josh, Twin, Etan, Zaza, etc. that is really hindering this team. Just to prove my point, You could easily take Marvin and Jamal’s contracts and have D. Williams or Chris Paul for $15-17 million per season. That is real talk.

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AND STOP WITH THESE DAMN ARTICLES ABOUT “HORFORD LIKES PLAYING NEW YORK AND CHICAGO”

THE LAST 2 TIMES WE PLAYED NEW YORK, HORFORD CHOKED

HE HAD 14 AND 3 LAST NIGHT. 3 FREAKING REBOUNDS
WOW

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Give me this line up and bet we won’t lose by 40.

Dr. Mary B @ the point,

Grandaddy @ the 2

J from the A @ the 3 spot

Rod from CP @ the 4

Daniel @ the 5

Ken Strickland as the coach, and I bet they put up a better effort than this team.

There is no fight in this team. Too bad it took another lost season for management to realize that Woody wasn’t the problem.

Dr. Mary B do you perform hear transplants? The Hawks could really use one.

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GEEMACK, CAN I BE THE GM OF THAT SQUAD?

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Gee Mack, I’m the shooting guard off the bench. I also would take D Rose’s head off if he comes to the lane. I will shoot the ball like I want to score.

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And how bad are the Hawks at home? These are the number of home losses for some other teams.

Washington – 20
Nets – 18
Detroit – 17
Charlotte – 16
Milwaukee – 17

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Hawks have 15 home losses so far. And that number is likely to climb, since we 5 more home games.

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“KIRK HINRICH: WTF WAS WITH YOUR DEFENSE LAST NIGHT? YOU ALMOST MADE BIBBY LOOK INDISPENSABLE”

Remeber this is the guy who supposedly has the highest basketball IQ on the team, is a captain on the floor, and was supposed to be the best defender of point guards in the league. He played a total of 28 minutes with 5 assist, 2 turnovers, and got his lunch handed to him by a guy he supposedly mentored. But some posters on here (Vava74) think he is an excellent point guard. He is only a little better than Bibby at this point, and should be a backup point guard, as the two teams who had him before us recognized. The guy used to have a little quickenss, but that is gone now either because of injury or age.

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It’s the lowlite factory not the highlight factory or is it the Lowlife factory?

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Joe and Marvin both outrebounded Josh and Horford last night. I know, I know, Al was hurt and nothing bad can be said about Al. It was all Josh’s fault.

Teague and Wilkins should be starting for Marvin and Hinrich. With Wilkins you should explain to him that he should provide defensive intensity, and slash to the basket on offense. No jumpshots. We have got enough jumpshooters in the starting lineup. Hinrich does not have the lateral quickness to stay with the faster point guards in the league anymore, unless he is still hurt.

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Joe again, telling the truth. honestly thats the most candid he’s been. no cliches to express anything.. seemed like he cared.

get 20 shots up Joe.

“we done had countless meetings throughout the season that have meant (nothing)”

“they came in here, for a lack of a better word, kicked our @ss pretty much the whole game”

“we a team that sit in here in this locker room and talk about what we got to do, what we need to do then go out on the floor and do things thats out of our character, or thats not w/ in ourselves and uh.. makes us all look bad. until we get that part of the game down we gone continue to look bad”

“play with pride.. not playing for anything but ourselves, we all we got in this room and we should play for one another but we dont so..”

“teams thats not in the playoffs, we’ll come out, play together beat them you know..”

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O’Brien – I concur. And I would almost guarantee that the Hawks have lost by a larger point spread at home than any of those teams.

MC – Has any team ever lost by 33+ at home 3 times in the same season?

And OB – I think I remember a Bucks and maybe a Boston blowout at home early in the season also.

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ARTHUR BLANKS BY THE HAWKS
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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My deal with Teague:

Last season, it was obvious Bibby was done. I knew, as did many of you, that our only chance in the playoffs was to play Jeff at least rotational minutes, get him acclimated to the NBA, and come playoff time, he could help us with the clearly faster PG’s we would be facing.

Woody wouldn’t, we were smoked, first by Brandon Jennings and the Bucks, next by Jameer Nelson. It was sad. The solution is sitting on your bench, and you don’t use him. So Woody was not retained.

November of this year, it is already obvious Bibby has no D left at all. None. So the only solution is to put Teague in 20+ mpg, let him learn, and we got a shot in the playoffs.

Now Teague is better than last year by anybody’s standards. His defense improved dramatically. And he makes the Hawks play faster, which fits perfectly with our athleticism. but we let him sit, evidently out of sheer stupidity.

So when we trade Bibby Teague comes in and improves the team. Now Jamal is still stinkin’ and Josh is still jackin’ etc., but the team is obviously better.

So LD sits Teague.

LD starts Teague last week. We beat a very good Portland team, and Teague shuts down the opposing G, which he does with regularity.

But we knew the pattern. He would be out of the rotation soon.

He starts at the Bucks, and shuts down Jennings and Co.

He plays against Ty and Felton and they get shut down better than normal by far. Neither on in double figures.

And so he’s out of the rotation again.

LD is stupid. Weird.

LD needs to go. No question.

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Larry Drew is not getting fired. Nobody wants Marvin. Darnell Starks, why would Orlando or New Orleans make those trades? They won’t so don’t get your hopes up.

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This is the last time I’m going to chime in on Josh Smith. Go back and read and compare the quotes about Josh Smith as he presently constituted and compare them to what was written about Lamar Odom when he was about to be run out of Miami and first few years in Lakers organization.

Josh needs a super defined role. When Derek Fisher was in Utah, Odom did not have a guard to keep him in line. Kobe was trying his darnbest to get out of LA. When Gasol was obtained, Jackson took about a month; but he quickly made him a combo big man who had three jobs: rebound, advance the ball and give it to a guard, shoot only uncontested jumpers… Those were his strengths.

I’ll leave it at that…

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He Got Jokes!

Hey Geemack baby, you damn straight. I could run the point from a wheel chair and get in the paint! I play with more heart. Hell, my college tennis team won a title in 1983 with 3 titanium rods and 4 screws in my back! SMH
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A heart transplant is simple:
1st – you pull the plug on the one that is brain dead.
2nd – you bring in Hannibal Lechter to rip his heart out
3rd – you shove it down the recipient’s throat.
Total Time is about 3 minutes, skip the anesthesia.

It’s brutal, but it’ll do the trick.
You can try this at home.

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Bad Losses at Home this season:

Bucks by 17 on Nov. 10th

Boston by 23 on Nov. 22nd

Hornets by 41 on Jan. 21st

Sixers by 34 on Feb. 8th

Knicks by 13 on March 6th

LA by 14 on the 8th

Denver by 15 on the 16th

Miami by 21 on the 18th

Chicago by 33 on the 22nd (would’ve been 36 except for the last second Hilton 3).

That’s 9 games lost at Home this season in bad style.

The closest game was losing by 13 to the Knicks.

5 times beaten by 20+ this season at home.

3 times by 33+.

Bad Road Losses:

We lost to NJ

We lost by 16 @ SA, and it wasn’t that close

We lost by 23 at Detroit

We lost by 12 to Boston

We lost again to NJ by 7

We lost at Mil. by 8

At NY by 12

At LA by 24

At Chicago by 18

We have lost 7 games total this season by 20+ points.

LD said this is a team of runs. I believe him. Makes me have the runs looking at them play.

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Teague starts,we beat a very good Portland by 9 and the Bucks by 25.

LD’s logic. Sit Teague. No more rotation for you.

So we lose by 21 to Miami, only after Teague comes in and gets the score down from 30+ behind.

And 33 to Chicago, after Teague comes in and gets it from down 47.

LD, I have this psychiatrist friend that can help.

If you don’t call him, please call someone. Your sick, and need help.

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Josh said they were afraid to hurt feelings. Maybe he was referring to LD.

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“Coming out and playing hard and sustaining that and being able to play hard for four quarters.”

Ummm, ever heard the expression…Work smarter not harder? Sometimes you dont have to play so hard if you play smart. Chicago did play hard but they also played smart too.

The Atlanta “Chickens” kept coming down the court with the one on one, jack up a brick attitude on offense. Then on defense, they got shoved off the ball and into the first couple camera men every other play.

Crazy legs Crawford, Jumpin Josh, No Show Joe and Howard(Duck)Williams…I would package all those clowns in a minute….SMH!

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MC is on record saying he likes the 3 guard starting lineup with Jeff, Kirk, and Joe. I like it as well. We should stick with that and see what happens th rest of the way.

Fire LD!

Start Jeff Teague!

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Section 303

March 23rd, 2011
8:25 am
lewis, yes, he did.

I’m at almost every home game. Have been for the past 7-years. I’ve watched that guy do a lot of walking up the court over the years. He needs to go. He kills this team. And, I mean KILLS this team.

Here’s hoping that we get Hubie Brown calling one of the four Hawks playoff games this year. Would love to hear Hubie call Josh out again for halfa$$ing up and down the floor.

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Im glad to see Im not the only one who noticed JS play since he came into the league..He’s a repeat offender of LAZINESS…Peace…

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yeah, hinrich’s still a lot better than bibby but teague basically earned the starting role 4 times

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All in all..I look at teams like HOU and POR and see the same type of roster makeup..When you look at their play, HOU and POR play hard every night, when do those teams get blown out, hardly ever, b/c they have a coaching staff that will not put up with the lack up effort ATL brings to the court more often than not…This team is done though, the players are tired of each other, the coaches tuck their tail as much as the players, and the team simply has no identity…

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LD said he will started HINRICH, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD THE REST OF THE SEASON LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
FIRE LD
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Brett Legree of Hoopinion and the Daily Dime put it nicely about last night:

“Derrick Rose was amazing. The Atlanta Hawks were not. Save for Jeff Teague, who ably showed up the head coach in garbage time…”

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HAWKS HAVE 12 WINS 23 LOST AGAINST TEAM 500 ABOVE, what a joke.
FIRE LD
HIRE BILL LAMBEER
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

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Retards,

Do you actually think the Magic would trade Howard for Me and Horford??

Some of you are complete idiots.

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This is Coach Drew talking, taken from MC’s 9:14 pm article on Drew Settles on a Lineup:

“He said Pachulia, guard Jamal Crawford and swingman Damien Wilkins are “for sure” among the bench rotation and guard Jeff Teague and Collins also could get minutes.”

Translation – we have a 8 man rotation, and sometimes I may play Teague and Collins. Which means Teague is out of the rotation, Coach’s mouth yesterday. Which we already knew since he was out of the rotations at Detroit and Miami.

So unless ASG or Sund makes LD, Teague not only is not a starter,he is not a 5 mpg game on a nightly basis with this team.

See why I want LD fired.

And I will not rejoice over him as a human being, but I will be glad for the Hawks when it happens. Get Casey or that former Cavs Coach, Got to be better.

And if the team quits on a new Head Coach, start trading pieces in the off season. But get a new guy in and see if he can motivated these guys.

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Owners said one of the reasons they fired Woody was he didn’t utilize Teague enough. Did LD not read that quote? Teague continues, to his credit, to make LD look like an idiot.

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Steve W,

Another bad loss is blowing a 22 point lead against Charlotte at home…and losing.

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Whoever said they feel sorry for Zaza and Teague for not getting enough PT…

I agree with you about Teague.

But, Zaza? You must be crazy. Zaza doesn’t deserve the time he gets now. He’s terrible. He’s had more than a couple of years and more than a handful of minutes to progress in terms of his game, but he’s the same Zaza we saw since he got here. Some might argue he’s even regressed.

Zaza needs to be cut, not rewarded more minutes.

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Shout out to Josh Powell. He was the only guy I saw last night that made a hard foul in the paint. Maybe his Atlanta roots had something to do with. I like Al and Josh, but both guys are soft as wet baby thighs.

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Of course Joe didn’t deserve that raise! That isn’t the issue here..the issue is the management team being in charge and making bad after bad decision.
How many teams in the league would pay Etan Thomas to write blogs for hoopshype and not dress out?
How many coaches would allow Josh to jack up that jumper of his time and time again?
How many teams are going to come in here, embarrass us, take off the 4th quarter and punk us before getting out of town.
There isn’t a team in the that dreads to come into the Highlight factory and compete against us. There is no heart on this team even though there are some here who think all is well. That offense is nothing more than sharing jumpers with Joe instead of Joe jacking the majority of them up.
Jamal has simply kept quiet until its time to change his address. Smart move based on his performance this year.

Someone tell me why we go on the West Coast trip, come back with a decent record, and proceed to take Teague out of the action and allow Kirk to start? It doesn’t make sense. I like both Kirk and Teague, but if something is working, why don’t you stick with it?

LD and Teague……oil and water, obviously. If LD could insert his son, he would….give him a 3rd year and watch who’s on our SL team!

We are stuck with this group for at least another year minus Jamal. Since Sund isn’t known to use a computer, and he doesn’t have a draft pick, I guess he will coast through year 31 with no accountabliity.

Sund, you blew it this past offseason and you know it! You should resign and do something that doesn’t impact this team.

And for the Laimbeer rants, please! No assistant coach from Minnesota is deserving of a crack as a head coach. They have won a grand total of 17 flippin’ games! Please let him continue to mentor the double double king!

Well, off to Philly where there are no home fans waiting to boo us or sell tickets to the opposing team…in fact, it might feel like a home game when they get there.

Philly is getting ready to take over slot 5 and we might get to match up with Boston now…what everyone is hoping for.

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bigdave

March 23rd, 2011
11:30 am

Joe again, telling the truth. honestly thats the most candid he’s been. no cliches to express anything.. seemed like he cared.

get 20 shots up Joe.

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I’ve been saying this forever. He needs to get his shots up.

As of right now, he’s about the only one capable of getting us out of this rut. We’ve tried to run the offense Drew’s way . . and it didn’t work. So now we just simply need to put the ball in JJ’s hands, and either let him create for others, or let him take his own shot . . and tell others to rebound his miss.

People talk about JJ hogging the ball this year, but he’s averaging almost 2 full shots less this year, than he did last year. He isn’t even taking 17 shots a game. That needs to change. His mentality needs to change.

Dude needs to simply stop deferring to everyone else, and see if he can get it going early, to make the game easier for them later on. He can’t be afraid to go 7 – 20, to try to help his team win. But the other guys ( namely Horford and Smith ), need to hit the boards if he is off of his game.

In the past when JJ went ISO, people knew the shot was either going up, or that the ball was going to be kicked out to a shooter. This meant that our big men knew to crash the boards. But under the vaunted “Pentagle Offense”, anybody can end up with the ball and an open shot, including our big men. That means that there may not be anybody in the paint to rebound the ball.

The so-called “selfish” Joe Johnson has only attempted 20 shots in a game 16 times this year, and hasn’t attempted 20 shots since the Chicago win earlier this month. We’re 10 – 6 in those games.

But more telling, is that in the games in which he’s taken 20 shots, but shot less than 40% from the field, we’re 5 – 1.

Why?

Because he’s still a factor in the game by racking up assists. And other people are hitting the boards. And usually when he’s racking up assists, some other person is having a big game.

- 9 assists in a 6 – 21 FG performance vs Cleveland . . Horford 12 rebounds ( 6 offensive ) . . Marvin 22 points

- 10 assists in an 8 – 24 FG performance vs MIami . . Smith 12 rebounds ( 3 offensive ) . . Jamal 19 points

- 9 assists in an 8 – 21 FG performance vs the Clippers . . . Horford 12 rebounds ( 7 offensive ) . . Jamal 34 points

- 9 assists in a 5 – 20 FG performance vs Chicago . . . Horford 16 rebounds ( 7 offensive ) . . Horford 31 points

Ever since JJ has been here, the key number to me is not how many points he scores or how many assists he racks up. It’s how many CREATED POINTS he produces. Normally, the magic number for the Hawks to win is somewhere around 30, preferably 35 created points ( his own + points via assists ).

This team CANNOT SURVIVE with our big men constantly taking jumpers and constantly being out of position to rebound a miss. At some point, they need to get their butts in the paint, to do what big men do . . and that’s rebound the basketball.

It’s the reason why I’m all for Zaza starting now, despite his glaring limitations in other areas. When you grab offensive rebounds, you either get a chance to put the ball back into the hole, or you get fouled and go to the line.

People despised the predictability of the ISO offense. But all ISO did, was either enable our best player to get his shot, or create a wide open look for others. The Pentagle has our big people out on the perimeter way too much.

Scrap the “Pentagle”, and go back to ISO.

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The Hawks are at best a mid-level lottery team right now. At least that’s what they have been playing like for 20+ games.

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is it mathematically possible for the Hawks to play themselves outta the playoffs??? i really hope so….

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Coach Woodson wasn’t as bad as we thought!!!! HDI – hurt don’t it!

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“Shop AL
Shop Josh
Cut 90% of the bench
Waive Marvin
JC1 run dont walk
Fire Sund
Fire LD
Did I forget anybody??????? LOL”

You forgot Joe, who should be the starting point of any trade discussion. No point in blowing up the team if you are still going to keep giving him 1/3 of the cap. Might as well keep everyone else around if Joe is going to remain the centerpiece. Trading the players who are actually getting paid what they are worth (Al, Smoove) is irrelevant if you keep the anchor whose salary will continue to weigh this team down (Joe).

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SteveW, thanks I didn’t know that lol.

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Joe to the Nets. Josh to SAC. Marvin to D-league…

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I honestly beleive we CAN win with the “captains” + Teague. That’s four players….and maybe kirk. We should get rid of/upgrade everybody else.

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Kirk, have you watched Teague play since the trade deadline? The excuses are out of the windownow. Jeff Teague iis our Starting Point guard

Fire LD!

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if SEA can lose its’ team then the ATL can damn sure lose the Hawks. $hit give ‘em away!!!

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Booo!

No kirk has not been watching Teague play this year.

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Niether has slimjr

LOL..Yo slim,they play @philly tonite son

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Trade Josh Smith and Teague for Durant

Get it done Sund

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Philly looks to be in excellent shape after this year as well…down 69 to 53 and losing nothing in the process.

It’s obvious Sund is letting the entire division dictate his moves. If there is a contract that isn’t worth renewing, its our resident GM.

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Chipper Jones is 14 for his last 23. Freddie Freeman hit another home run today.

Go Braves

At least one Atlanta sports team looks like it might go deep in the playoffs and isn’t hamstrung by a huge contract given to a #2 (literally and figuratively).

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When is someone going to call this what it really is?

The Hawks are a team of talented, but mostly selfish, players….and, unfortunately,there’s not a real leader in the bunch.

Big contracts and gaudy statistics don’t constitute a winning attitude, the knack for making others around them better and the ability to inspire flawless execution. They often go in opposite directions….but when you’re paying as much as the Spirit does for this group of players, they shouldn’t. When we’re asked to shell out as much as we do as fans, it shouldn’t be this way.

But it is.

How do I know?

Did you see the bench last night while they were getting pasted….laughter, smirks, an overall lack of concern. Disgraceful……and more evidence that there’s an overall lack of accountability among the team….even to each other…..on national TV, no less.

Did you hear any comments after the game suggesting this level of ineptness can’t and won’t be tolerated…..by anyone? Nope.

Do you think Kobe would have stood by idly after that stinker? Or Garnett? Or as a coach, Popovich? Jackson? Please….heads would have rolled just on GP. Instead, we get pablum from Joe Johnson and the old soft shoe from LD…..As my Dad used to say, you’re only an elite team imposter if you don’t carry the values every elite team possesses. Which ones do the Hawks have?
Crickets.

The Hawks issues are less about “x’s” and “o’s” than they are about a team that is in real need of a leader on the court who has EVERYONE’s attention and respect. I guarantee this will not take place until two things happen: a) we get a coach who knows strategy and IS a leader himself, and b) we get a GM who can balance personnel knowledge with the importance of leadership (if he’s not already a leader himself).

Plain and simple. The Hawks lack a ‘winning’ CULTURE (nod to Charlie Sheen)

It’s a shame, because, in the process, not only are they selling themselves short, we, the fans, are getting royally screwed. I hope it changes….but I’m not holding my breath anytime soon.

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LD is the one that probably needs to take pills………….LOL

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waive Marvin….

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The management needs to quit making moves that indicate their belief that we are close. We are a horribly constructed team that is going nowhere.

Quit trading picks. Hire someone who can develop players. The Hawks organizaton from top to bottom is a terribly run organization.

Paying JJ $10,000,000 more than the next closest team could have paid him is a mistake that has ruined our chance to BUILD anything.

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Shop Josh and AL after the playoff meltdown….

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“SInce it was Sund who brought in Crawford,then drafted Teague,then Drafted Jordan Crawford,is it a given that the man knows talent?
But his business decisions (like resigning Marvin and Joe to fat contracts) are not his strong suits??

Then,maybe we should keep Sund??”

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. Sund is the blind squirrel here, and Teague and Jordan Crawford are the nuts. No homo.

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UP NEXT DETROIT BY 13! TONIGHT!

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I WOULD GO TO EUROPE OR SOUTH AMERICA TO FIND MY BIGS..AMERICA HAS BEEN DUMBED DOWN AS A WHOLE..SO HAS ITS BASKETBALL PLAYERS..

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JOSH GAME IS A CANCER..HE IS BEYOND HELP!!!
AL IS TOO SOFT LIKE HIS BUDDY MARVINA…

SHOP EM BOTH ASAP………………………….

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TRADE JOSH AND MARVIN FOR DWILL?

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1-10 WOULD PROBABLY PLAY THEMSELVES OUT OF THE PICTURE???

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” and to add, there is NO leader among the captains+Teague. ”
________________

Is that like The Captain & Tenille, from the late ’70’s?
Or, Renee’ & Angela, Simon & Garfunkel, Sonny & Cher or, is it
Ashord & Simpson.

The think about all these duos is, I couldn’t tell which one was in charge?
I mean, who was holding the check book?

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Apparently Floyd Mayweather is a very smart man and a smart gambler. He bet over 30,000 on the Bulls last night to cover the second half spread of 6 points. We all know the result. Smart man!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6250698

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listen my ‘Joe to the Nets’ trade is not about tryin’ to get DWILL. the Nets aint that stupid. it’s about gettin’ Robin to a willing taker. and it puts Joe in a role he can only succeed in. it’s all about gettin’ Joe and his no leadership skills off the books. and no it’s NOT about gettin’ fair trade back…the Hawks are NOT dealin’ from a place of strength…as if that needs to be said.

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This Hawks Team will go down in Infamy–they are truly an Embarrassment to Professional Sports. As so many of you have previously stated, they really do STINK. Philips Arena has become the TOILET BOWL FACTORY and there should be ONE GIANT FLUSH FOR MANKIND to get rid of Larry Drew, Rick Sund, the Ownership Group and Most of the Players. I hope the Midnight Train Out of Georgia is locked and loaded to take their Sorry Butts to Never Never Land. The Excuses are Pathetic–we Lost Our Focus; we play better when we just come out to have Fun. I can just hear a Brain Surgeon saying–sorry I Lost My Focus during the Operation and next time I’ll just try to have More Fun. Hopefully the Person signing their Payroll Checks loses Focus, because why should anybody be paid for this Garbage. The Hawks have really never accomplished Anything Noteworthy in Atlanta and their best chance to become Elite was when Billy Knight had the opportunity to Draft real Prime Time Players. Of course Billy Knight’s Picture is now prominently displayed in every Dictionary under the Word MORON–a Picture tells a Thousand Words and Billy Knight is the Real Definition of MORON. Can’t wait for New Ownership, because this is a Real Mess.

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AL and Josh have no HANDLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! That why they suck down low and they know it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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i’ll re-phrase…Joe and his ‘no-desire to lead’ skills off the books…

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Enter your comments here

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Joe never says “I”. It’s always “We”

What a loser..

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Section 303,

You have the right to your opinion, and what you see is what you see. My question to you is if you never see Josh hustle, and 95% of the time he is pouting or arguing with the refs, then how on earth has he amassed over 1,000 blocks(that many is not random) in a 6 year period. One of the youngest people in the NBA to ever do that. He also has been our second or third leading scorer over the past couple of years. So how is he able to do all of those things and never hustle? If he doesn’t hustle, then what do Marvin and Joe do, because I have seen Josh streak by both of them many times to make a block. I know you don’t like Joe either, but what your opinion of Marvin? Does he always hustle? I was at the game last night, and I saw Teague pushing the ball up the court like he was told to do by Larry Drew, and not one player was up the floor, or sprinting up the floor with him including the great “Al Horford”. Oh, I forgot Al was hurt. LOL

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Bye Josh………………..

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WAIVE MARVIN
SHOP AL
SHOP JOSH PRONTO……………..

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JOSH FOR DEANDRE……….

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JOSH FOR BARKLEY… LOL

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GOOD BYE JOSH, NICE KNOWING YA………………………

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(continued)

“You need to stop being seduced by his random block or dunk.”

This notion that anyone who supports Smoove is in love with his dunking needs to stop. Dunkers are a dime a dozen in the NBA. I plain and simple do not care about his dunks. I’m a lot more impressed by Smoove’s low post moves, which have improved by leaps and bounds over the last three years, than I am by his dunks. It’s not like he even dunks that much anymore anyway.

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“Even in last night’s defensive debacle, the Hawks were hanging in there until Smoove picked up his second foul and left the game, and immediately after this the Bulls rattled off 15 straight scoring possessions.”

Vava74 and O’Brien will tell you that the Bulls went on the run because Jamal Crawford was in the game. They will also say that the the GREAT defender Kirk Hinrich was not in either, and thats what caused the run.

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“That could be right. Almost has to be it looks like sometimes.”

That could be the most certain statement, almost, that I’ve sometimes seen. Looks like, anyway.

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“Smith loves his midrange jumper. So does Horford. Neither is comfortable setting up down on the blocks. Our best post player is actually Joe Johnson. It’s easy to say that we should play inside-out. I would agree with that, if our big men would play that way. ”

Then fine, post up Joe Johnson. Whatever. One way or another, the ball needs to go through the post every possession. The problem with saying get the ball to Joe and hope he recaptures the magic of previous seasons is that invariably this results in Joe getting the ball on the perimeter — often out of his own accord, when he sees a double team and backs out to the three point line instead of getting rid of it in a timely manner. And when Joe is on the perimeter, he’s not quick enough to break people down off the dribble, which means he invariably ends up launching contested jumpers. As far as I’m concerned, Joe launching contested jumpers is no better than Smoove launching uncontested jumpers. The end result is pretty much the same as far as my eyes can see, and maybe one of the advanced stat pages can confirm or deny this.

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Rod from College Park, I don’t care about his stats. I know what I see. He does not play hard. He doesn’t.

Not counting the Orlando series (remember when Hubie Brown called him out on national tv?), Josh had a good year. He stopped with the long range shots. He mainly stayed down low and he attacked the rim on a consistent basis. The jumpers he took last year, almost always in that 15-foot range, which he can make.

This year….total opposite. And, really, should have saw that coming. He even said last year, in the SI interview, that he was going to start shooting 3’s again.

He’s been terrible this year. You go to games…don’t you see the walking up and down the floor? And, it’s all the time. The pouting on the bench? You don’t see that?

Sorry….defending that guy has got to be getting hard to do.

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KevinM – No, the Bulls are only in decent financial shape because Rose is still under his rookie contract status. Once he gets out of that, the Bulls are in really bad shape.

Deng has a long term, enormous contract.

Boozer has a longer term, gigantic contract, and he’s getting older and he’s also injury prone.

And they have a good long term contract with Noah.

Korver is signed for too long at too much also.

And they gotta find money for Asik as well as DRose. No easy task, since Asik can be really good.

So the Bulls are only in good shape because of Rose and his rookie contract right now, no other reason. And they are in terrible shape once they sign Rose and Asik.

And don’t forget Gibson is still under rookie status also, and he’s going to want some good money as well.

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Get rid of the Coach now, so you can see if the guys will respond to new voice. If not, start trading the culprits of who’s not cooperating.

And talk radio has been trashing the Hawks all day in S. Ga. – ESPN, Fox, Rome etc.

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Joe Johnson Sucks !!!

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My previous post should say “he should at least
pretend to care”.

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If the Hawks implode tonight, LD should resign.

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* when your front pockets look like it’s GOT the mumps and your hip pockets ARE so swollen? ……. (typos)

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The Bulls have 48.7m committed after next season before they sign Rose, Asik, and if they want to keep Watson.

That’s not a rosy picture.

The Hawks of course have over 58m committed, but really have nobody to resign at this point. That’s assuming we let Kirk go after next season, or re-sign him really cheap.

That’s with JJ, Josh, Al, ZaZa, Teague, and Marvin under contract in the ‘12/13 season.

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Rod from College Park, I do hate the pouting. You’re correct there. And, I hear you on showing emotion. But, does Josh show positive/productive emotion? No way. He seems to be uncoachable to me and just selfish. He has killed the Hawks this year. Time for him to go.

In fact, if it weren’t for the lockout that’s coming up, I would be willing to bet Josh is not here next year. And, even with the lockout, I’m confident he won’t be. Will be glad when that happens.

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The “Hawks” looked more like Parakeets last night. Does anyone really care at this point?

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Najeh ~~> Co-Sign @ 3:20 pm

I agree that Joe is our best post scorer.
[+]
I wholeheartedly agree that a team that employs
an inside out philosopy will be more successful.

drmaryb said something similar recently using a fb analogy;
“run the ball to set up the pass”

Utilizing the post doesn’t necessarily mean the low blocks:
(mid post, elbows, short corner, euro post, etc)
all these can be exploited by Joe Al & Josh to extremes,
not only by sitting down in the post but;
cutting, flashing, duck ins, pick & rolls, & slips.

Najeh ~~> of all the tangible quantifiable *predilective
*[made up word] qualities, your analysis today ranks
@ the top.

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*of TJS

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northcyde,

I missed most of the first half last night (at my daughter’s flag-football game). I am curious about when the hawks fell behind. Could you use your popcorn machine to help us out?

You said it happened when Marvin went out, but vava says it happened when Jamal came in, while Rod from CP says it happened at another time (can’t remember what Rod said).

Could you compare the three instances? Did any of these things coincide to create a perfect storm? I am not a numbers guy otherwise I would try it myself.

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the problem is joe. he has the talent to be a top 10 player but he is to passive,and he has no killer instincts, he needs to take the team on his shoulders and carry them like he did in 2007 against boston if he does that the hawks have the talent to contend but the problems is he lacks killer instinct that d rose d wade l james, k bryant have, when he starts becoming more aggresive this team the hawks will drastically become better

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For some reason everything about this makes me LOL.

http://twitter.com/#!/nwilborn19/status/50661771467423745

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Someone posted the link to this on Mark Bradley’s article. Can’t say I disagree with any of it.

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/03/23/some-small-steps-could-help-hawks-improve/

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NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD TAKE JOE MAX. WE ARE STUCK WITH HIM..

SHOP JOSH
SHOP AL
ASAP ONCE THE FIRST ROUND MELTDOWN/BEATDOWN HAS BEEN COMPLETED…

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yep…he sayin’ what’s already been said by many and many times on this blog.

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well at least we NOW know why Woodson’s offense was so bad and predictable. now we can blame Woodson for keepin’ LD as an asst for as long as he did. this team peaked 2 to 3 seasons ago. KA BOOM PLEASE!!!

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1 again,the problem is joe. he has the talent to be a top 10 player but he is to passive,and he has no killer instincts, he needs to take the team on his shoulders and carry them like he did in 2007 against boston if he does that the hawks have the talent to contend but the problems is he lacks killer instinct that d rose d wade l james, k bryant have, when he starts becoming more aggresive this team the hawks will drastically become better

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Rev in Tampa

I’m not sure there was any one moment when
the game got out of hand.
Josh got two fouls and came out but Zaza came in
and mixed it up.
I thought the officials allowed contact inside when
we had the ball, yet when Chicago went inside it was
hands off Rose, as he has risen to LbJ, D.Wade, level.
Poor Zaza gets hammered on every shot but
gets to the line infrequently. [by comparison]

In no way am I saying the officials turned the game.
2 roughly the 3 min mark of the 1st qtr the Bulls
put their foot on our throat and we lay there passively.

Regardless of the early score Chi was playing with more
aggression. I felt like Boozer moreso than anyone set the
tone early with his Oakley[esque] physical presence.

All the Hawks (all of them) filed meekly off to slaughter.

No one fought back,
therefore, blame is widespread and cannot be placed
on one person coming or goning in or out.

Leadership starts @ the top.

A winning culture starts higher than LD or Sund !

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* goning ?

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Rod,

As bad as the hawks have been, I wont put it all on Jamal and I wont put it all on Marvin (or any one player). Its a team and coaching effort.

Najeh, Josh has been in the game for other blowouts too.

Section 303,

I think Josh’s biggest problems are mental. He has lots of talent. Trade him to a team coached by pop, Jerry Sloan, doc rivers, and he would turn into an all star in my opinion. He just needs guidance and to listen to his coach.

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I said it then and I will say it now. There was not a better replacement out there for “Woody” at the time the fact that Josh sit back and shoot jumpers lets me know that no one on that team is listening to him and if letting Josh shoot jumpers is part of the plan…….SMH…. at least “Woody” would have had some words for that craziness and sat him down and let him thing about it. As soon as the Hawks got down 10 points there body language changed and mentally they were already at the house eating popcorn.

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@drmaryb you are a fool for that one! [see 4:40 pm]

keep ‘em coming!

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Its Allen Houston all over again. Wash-up huge contract. Knicks just now rebounding. We got a long way to go until we get from under our Joe Johnson.

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is teague starting tonight?

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It will take three years minimum before contracts will even allow breaking up this horrible team. At least four years of lottery picks to have some young talent, and then at least three more years for those players to develop. Absolute earliest chance of making the Eastern Conference Championship, 2022. Maybe for Al Horford’s swan song.
I sure hope Tech finds a good coach so we can have basketball worth watching in this town this decade.

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SMDH LD going with the same lineup that has been getting smoked. Really LD?

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We badly need to fire L.D. He’s completely destroying this franchise. I don’t know how much more the fans can take before people just stop showing up. Attendance is dwindling more and more, unless the fans are coming to watch the opposing team, and it looks like things are just going to get worse for the Hawks. It’s sad to see the consistent trend of improvement come to an end at the hands of a selfish, biased, clueless rookie coach. L.D. needs to go ASAP.

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You get blown out at home and keep your starting job. Great message Drew. FIRE LARRY DREW

Keep your head up Teague!

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Would you trade for him in the off season?Only has one year left on his contract

Felton forcing trade?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19198
would you trade for him? I’d love to have him as a Hawk next season

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Never mind, it’s up.

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These guys are the worst team the Hawks have ever sent out on the floor,effort wise. A championship is out of the question. The only nicknames they deserve aren”t printable.If it were up to the fan on the street,(he is not in the stands) half these guys would be outta here after laying down in the playoffs last spring. Have fun spending your money Hawks and Go Braves!

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