Bulls at Atlanta Hawks: Is it really about the intangibles?

From the previous blog…

“Our best looking games this past month came when temper tantrum throwing Josh Smith was out.

I don’t have the numbers, but know most of you would love to look them up. Someone prove me wrong cause I really think I am right on this one…”

In my opinion, the three best Hawks victories over the last month — taking into account margin of victory and quality of opponent — were the two wins over Portland and the win over Chicago. Smoove was out against Chicago, and Al was out in the second win against Portland. I don’t think either of their absences in either of those wins proves much.

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I for one think the Hawks could develop an inside game (at least a passable one) if their were inclined to do so. We had one once upon a time. I seem to remember a season when Smoove didn’t shoot ANY jumpers. What happened to that? Seems we won more games back then.

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Again, with this lineup the Hawks are 2-4. Marvin is the odd man out. he should be on the bench. I am a Hawks fan, but I really hope they lose out until LD decides to play Teague at point.

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Since the Bibby trade, when Teague plays 20+ minutes, the Hawks are 3-2. When he doesn’t, the Hawks are 3-6.

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mr. cunningham, i agree that intangibles are involved but the most glaring negatives with the hawks now are the fact that rick sund is the GM, larry drew is the head coach which are very negatives that will cost the hawks this season. as i predicted, the hawks will suffer and not win 50 games or morer because of the stupid wrong firing of mike woodson. common sense will tell me that if a franchise started out at the bottom and became a contender as the hawks did under woodson, the head coach had to be responsible and was doing the right things.look at the franchise now, thanks to the pistons, bobcats, bucks and the lowly teams on the schedule, the hawks may win a few more games but when they play the good teams, they get blown out on their home floor which rarely happens to the good teams in the NBA.everyone was criticizing woodson but he had discipline and made the players play hard each night.everyone thought pretty offensive plays was going to guarantee the hawks get to the next level. instead, they went backwards.riding themselves of sund and drew might change the direction of the team next season but this year is all but over with for the hawks.in the playoffs, don’t be surprise if orlando or boston sweeps them in the first round.they brought it on themselves with rick sund hiring.

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we can go ahead and put a ribbon on this season….

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Get Joe more shots, the last 5 years he was in the top 10 in fga now he’s dropped out of the top 15.

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“The last time the Hawks were on an away NBA network game, Chicago maybe?, I could not believe how bad the announcers were – made me appreciate Hawks SportsSouth crew even though I don’t get to hear them that often.”

I don’t get NBA TV, but I do get WGN, and every now and then they have Bulls games on. I know exactly how you feel. Those announcers are horrendous.

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I think ASG just signed LD and rick sund to get them through the new union contract and the pending sale of the team. I am sure the new owners make the necessary changes. Love ya hawks see ya in a year or 2.

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“The Hawks are a pretty good team. They could try harder, be tougher, show more heart or whatever and I still don’t think they can overcome their shortcomings to become a very good or great team.”

I don’t buy this. The Hawks are a team filled with potential, and although the roster is lacking in some areas, this is still one of the most talented teams in the league. No roster is perfect and that’s why it all comes down to maximizing the the strengths of your players and teams, and developing a system that utilizing the abilities of your players to the greatest extent, while minimizing their deficiencies. Coaching plays a huge role in the NBA, even though many say that it’s a “players league”, and it is.

The problem for the Hawks has always been an inability to play toward their strengths and to stick to what works. Woodson was a flawed coach, but the Hawks were already a “very good team” last season. You don’t win 53 games without being very good. The Hawks biggest problem has always been on the sidelines. Woodson, while he was a competent coach in many areas, had one fatal flaw: the inability to adjust. As I’ve said before, Woodson’s coaching was very easy to assess. Essentially, he’d develop an initial gameplan, and the team would attempt to execute it. If the gameplan worked, we’d typically win easily (as long as the players stuck to the plan), but when the plan didn’t work, or the opposing coach/team made adjustments, we’d typically fail miserably and get blown out.

That’s the reason why we struggled so much in last season’s playoffs. Woodson’s initial game plan against Orlando simply did not work, and he failed to make the proper adjustments. However, the team itself, was still pretty good. Yes, they had their issues with inconsistent play and occasionally a tendency to pack it in when the plan wasn’t working, but those issues are small in comparison to the grand scheme of things.

I truly believe that the right coach could do wonders for this team. A coach who could find distinct roles and actually let our players play to their strengths, while enforcing equal accountability, and preaching the team aspects of the game, rather than the selfish aspects that we often see with the Hawks, this team could really flourish. Now, I’m not saying they would win a championship as is, but I think even with the current roster and the right coach, this team could be a contender if they played in the right system, under the right coach.

What we have now is a coach who is completely incapable of establishing roles and incompetent in terms of even understanding player strengths. Woodson, at the very least, did an adequate job of allowing players to play to their strengths, and even though he had an extremely one-dimensional offensive philosophy and underutilized players like Al Horford, Woodson did get players to play to their strengths. He had Jamal focusing on scoring through isolation (his largest talent), he had Joe focusing on scoring (maybe focusing a little bit too much on scoring), he had Josh playing around the basket and not taking foolish jump shots the way he does this season. Of course, on the opposite end of things, he had Al playing a limited garbage man role and Teague never really saw the court. There were flaws in his philosophy, but in retrospect, his ability to establish roles and maximize player strengths was still better than Drew’s.

Defensively, Woodson would consistently have Joe Johnson defending the other team’s best perimeter scorer, while having Al defend the other teams’ best interior scorers. This was a smart move, consideirng Joe and Al are the team’s best individual defenders on the perimeter and interior, respectively. Drew, on the other hand, routinely put guys like Bibby on the other teams’ best perimeter players, and he continues to put guys like Jamal on players like Rose (which he’ll probably do at some point tonight), meanwhile, he has caused mismatches for Josh on numerous occasions by asking him to guard guys like Scola and Amare in the post, who he’s had little success against, meanwhile Al’s defensive talents have been wasted on the likes of the great Erick Dampier, Joakim Noah, and Ben Wallace (one of the greatest scorers of our time).

The current philosophy is just filled with flaws and Drew’s insistence on having players play to their weaknesses is hurting the team much more than players “not showing enough heart”. Asking Jamal to play point guard, encouraging Josh Smith to take long jump shots, playing Kirk Hinrich at the SG position, etc. These are all examples of players being used in the wrong ways, and all examples of taking away a player’s greatest strength to make him fit into a role that isn’t correct for him. Drew has done this things all season long, and quite frankly, I’m tired of it.

Woodson was flawed, but Drew is not even head coach material. It was the right move to choose a new head coach and let Woodson go, but it was a terrible move to hire Drew. The biggest issue for this team right now is coaching, and I really do not expect them to improve significantly until Larry Drew is replaced. I can understand the team having an inferior record this season (when compared to last season) due to injuries and due to the adjustment made to a new system, but the monumental collapse and regression that we have seen lately is just not acceptable from a team that won 53 games last season, and 47 the season prior (with injuries and without Jamal Crawford). Change needs to be made, and it starts on the sidelines.

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“ag” thinking he is first to post on the blog when in reality he is sixth is akin to JJ thinking that they will overcome their coach’s deficiencies with more effort. Wishful thinking cannot overcome reality.

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Great post Barron

If LD has Jamal defending Rose tonight I think I might be done with this season. Its baffling that LD doesn’t recognize mismatches at times. Its like northcyde said in the last blog, he makes adjustments by going to offense instead of defense…Asik was abusing Zaza last game and LD left Zaza in as if he was playing well. He cant continue to watch guys get abused defensively without making an adjustment. After allowing Detroit to shoot 50% in the last game I cant say I’m feeling too good about this one. Hopefully guys attack the rim and stop settling for jumpshots but this team doesn’t know what attacking the rim means.

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After blowing a 30+ point lead against Sac Town 2 seasons ago, D Rose said he never forgot that loss, and he was looking forward to beating Sac Town by 30+. Last night, Bulls beat Kings by 40.

Rose said he has not forgotten them blowing the 19 point lead against the Hawks.

So I expect Rose to try and take the game over even more than usual. We need a big defensive game from Hinrich, and he needs to stay out of foul trouble.

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Yawn

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I am looking forward to hearing national commentators talk about our players, becuase Nique and Bob are homers.

What I am not looking forward to, is hearing national commentators gush constantly over Rose.

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Our issues stem from the the fact that everyone harped on us last year being too perimeter orientated with JJ and Jamal and the jumpshots so this year they shoot less and it opens up more shots for Al and Smoove however all both of them proceed to do is SHOOT JUMPSHOTS.

The extra shots Smoove and Al are getting are meaningless if they are simply gonna always be long jumpshots

Less isos for JJ so Josh and Al can shoot more jumpshots ?….Im just saying……..

As for the Bulls when we attack them we are successful when we go into our passive mode especially in the frontcourt is where we get into trouble because the Bulls frontline never stops hustling

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Barron and nire,

Very good posts.

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northcyde,

In the last blog you said this:

“The Hinrich – JJ – Marvin – Smith – Horford lineup has produced an offensive rating of 88 and a defensive rating of 96.”

“So strictly by the numbers, while that lineup is good defensively, something is amiss offensively with that unit so far.”

I don’t have time before my dinner to look it up, but it seems to me that Joe has only had one really good game and two more average games since the trade.

As bad as he’s struggled, it’s no wonder that the nimbers you showed, reflected some offensive deficiencies.

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Barron: that might be the best post on the situation the Hawks are in that I’ve seen. What’s interesting to me is that apparently the players are going along with the Drew storyline, “It’s about them, not me,” – it’s a bit surprising there hasn’t been anything I can recall the players have said about their roles and assignments.

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Since Hinrich joined the team 6-6 (not including loss to Denver he has not played.
Hinrich starting PG 2-5
Hinrich starting with Marvin 2-4

The “core” lineup starting Hinrich will continue to lose. I hope when they get blown out tonight he will make the switch. I am sure they are going to play tough the first quarter though.

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“They could try harder, be tougher, show more heart or whatever and I still don’t think they can overcome their shortcomings to become a very good or great team.”

You pretty much summed up the delusion which a lot of Hawks fans have been under since Hubie Brown got those late 70’s teams to over achieve for 6 years. You’ve got to really look at a team in its totality. This team just has a boat load of flaws… The 87-88 team had the attributes you described, but they were as fragile mentally as this team. The last team that was actually better than their opponents sans a very few teams was the 1993-1994 team. However, we all remember how they screwed the pooch on that one!

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A+ Barron you should be working for AJC.

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Isn’t it sad they we have to be having articles written about our team not have much “heart” or not trying hard enough. That’s unbelievable. These Hawks sure know how to bring their “A” talking game. That’s about all they do. It’s long overdue that they put their freaking money where there mouth is.

Just saying as a longtime Hawks fan, I care deeply about our team. If I’m being paid millions of dollar a year to represent my city, I’m going to use some of that money to invest in psychotherapy, new age healing techniques, the best dietitians and personal chefs, health gurus, top fitness trainers, you name it to be a winner. These guys get drafted or traded to the Hawks, and they eventually start bringing that Losersville attitude. What’s wrong with these people? Why can’t they just shut up and hustle and play ball?

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From the previous blog:

Rod,

It’s pointless to discuss with you but even so, I am feeling generous and again will attempt to penetrate in your thick skull.

You believe that scoring points is THE mark of success in the NBA.

This means that your vision of the game is limited to offense.

The myth that offense – most notably individual offense – beats defense has been long shot down, ever since Russell dominated Wilt.

Again on McGrady:

JVG coached McGrady and has that opinion of him in comparison with OTHER NBA PLAYERS AND WITH WHAT NORMALLY HAPPENS IN PRACTICE.

I gave Kobe and MJ’s examples because it was not only their natural given physical talent that made them winners, it was also their competitive edge and their understanding that to work more on their skills would make then achieve better things.

When MJ entered the league, his shot range was limited. He worked his ass off to improve and expand his game.

Both Kobe and MJ always played both ways basketball (with MJ much better and more focused than Kobe).

McGrady never had any remote inclination to play DEFENSE. His cousin Carter is a similar case. Very impressive career stats, a major LOSER.

Defense is hard work. McGrady felt that he did not have to work. He notoriously underachieved.

So Bird did not practice when he was hurt… umm… how about before he got hurt?

Have you read anything about Bird’s life and career?

He was not physically gifted – at all – but he was devoted to the game and his incredibly awkward but effective moves came out of millions of repetitions on his backyard, that is the precise opposite of McGrady, so you better find better examples.

McGrady had a physical talent but never worked enough to develop both his physical game and his understanding of the game.

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Where is this game online ??

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Oh, No! Not Webber and Barry! They hate Hawks!

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chris webber speaking the truth though

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Weber said Josh should play the 3? I disagree.

But he did take a shot at management, and that I agree with.

For online feeds, try atdhenet.tv

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No Jamal guarding D Rose

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“It’s absurd that Smoove averages just 8.7 rebounds a game with his athleticism and strength. And that’s his career high. He could average 12 per game if he stopped trying to be a guard and made his living within 10 feet from the basket.”

Smoove is at a career high defensive rebounding rate this season, in a virtual tie with Al. Where his rebounding rate has taken a huge hit is on the offensive end, where it’s down by 2.5%. How much of Smoove’s drop in offensive rebounding rate is related to scheme and how much is related to willingness?

Next question: how many people with height, strength, and athletic ability comparable to Smoove have ever averaged 12 boards a game? I can’t think of anyone other than Dennis Rodman. Even Barkley and Ben Wallace were a lot stronger than Smoove is.

So much of the problem with Smoove is simply expectations. Hawks fans in general seem to think he’s capable of being so much more than he actually is.

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Also from the previous blog:

Rod,

You made an attempt to describe me as a racist due to my praise of Hinrich and my criticism of McGrady and Jamal.

I am glad that you did not pass the level of “attempt”, although I feel that you simply tried not to “step out of bounds” and that your true feelings are those.

For the record, my favorite player of all time is Dominique*. He is the reason why I am an Atlanta Hawks’ fan.

If I were a racist, I would be a Celtics fan since I would have naturally preferred to root for a team with Bird, McHale and Walton back then.

Furthermore, as a child, the player I loathed the most was Koncak, which I considered then to be the #1 factor for the Hawks demise and which absurd contract I linked to a racist driven management decision, making his presence on the floor even more annoying to me.

Now, a few notes on white players: since on average white players are less gifted physically, the guys that make it to the NBA level and succeed are all hard workers, disciplined, mentally tough and the many have a very high basketball IQ to compensate their physical limitations (Bird being a perfect example).

The few exceptions to the above are guys who live off their size or off being shooting specialists and maybe there you will find a few that are only in the league to fulfill kind of a quota.

The above, does not mean – at all – that there aren’t black players which are hard workers, tough, disciplined and have a high basketball IQ.

It simply means that there are many players who live mostly off their physical gifts and do not work other aspects of the game since their physical skills are so tremendous that they don’t need to do that in order to be successful to the point of being seen as starts and making a very good living playing basketball.

This was the case with McGrady, Francis, Marbury, …

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Hey M.C. – are you blocking my comments???

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“Weber said Josh should play the 3? I disagree.

But he did take a shot at management, and that I agree with. ”

C-Webb is clearly going strictly by size.

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Al doesnt even attempt to step up and block a shot. smh.

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I know ya’ll heard what Chris Webber said about the Hawks !!! Joe Johnson Sucks

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here we go with jumpshots

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please release marvin

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Funny how the Bulls, despite having arguably the league’s best point guard, started with three or four consecutive post ups. Meanwhile, the Hawks started going all perimeter and didn’t get a post up until the previous possession when Smoove made his little bank shot.

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did he just say bulls lead by 8?

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Smh Marvin cant defend Deng

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man boozer cant be this good I mean geez

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cp,

Deng made a mid-range fadeaway jumper with a hand in his face. Marvin made him take a low percentage shot and he contested that shot. Can’t do more than that without fouling.

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lol what is joe doing?

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damn there goes josh

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…pathetic the amount of Bulls fans in attendance. The 5th seed is probably better for us as we have no homecourt advantage

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Or was that Samuel?

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Josh always gets in foul trouble on national games….

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“I like the fact that Jamal is not playing backup PG…”

For now…

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horford should have pump faked and drove the ball

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Jamal doesnt even try to play defense smdh

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I hate the fact that hes not in at pg because all he ends up- doing is standing around doing a Bibby impersonation ?

If you play him at SG and then run no plays for him what good does that do ?

Thats the difference between this years and last years team

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Hinrich can’t guard Rose.

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First defensive lapse by Jamal = Bogans for 3

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Najeh,

Jamal was looking for steals. His biggest defensive flaw because he can get a few now and then.

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tripple teaming rose

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That last possession was the first one for the Bulls since Smoove left the game on which the Bulls didn’t get at least one point.

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Rose is shattering Hinrich’s ankles and hips – WE NEED TEAGUE lateral quickness.

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Hawks still in this one. I want to see what Teague will do against Rose.

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Nice extra pass by Zaza.

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zaza is like an orange cone out there.

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here comes the blow out again

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for the record.. Al is playing center exclusively even w/ ZaZa in the game, as Kurt Thomas draws the assignment.. ZaZa guarded by PF Gibson.

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Well this is ugly smdh

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The Bulls just scored 14 points in 4:39 with Smoove off the floor. They scored 17 points in the previous 7:21 with him on the floor. Don’t tell me Smoove’s defensive impact ends with his blocks.

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So, do the Hawks give up and give in? I think they are gonna fight back.

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I would join in on the chorus for Teague, but what’s the point. We all know Teague won’t play until the Bulls are up by 25 in the 4th quarter.

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In fact, by my recollection, the Bulls either scored or got to the free throw line on all but one possession after Smoove left the game.

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We’re gonna lose this. You can already see the slumping body language of the Hawks. Can’t stop Rose. Can’t guard Deng. Can’t beat the Chicago defense. Here we go again.

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“So Deng has made 100 3-pt this season. meanwhile, Marvin is stuck on 30. FYI, the most 3’s Marvin has ever made in a season is 55.”

That’s exactly what I was thinking when they said that. One guy works on his game and gets better; the other guy hits those books for his African American Studies classes.

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bigdave,

I think Tibs just had Thomas on Horford ’cause he’s kryptonite to Al. But Zaza seemed to be at center to me.

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I mean at least zaza is attempting to drive the ball

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Najeh,

Josh is one of the most important factors in our game play.

When Josh is ON he is a presence, but he is not ON every single minute of each game and certainly not every game.

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Funny how the Hawks have become worse on offense since they’ve gone away from the Iso Joe offense.

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Larry Drew is, once again, displaying his intelligent (sarcasm intended) coaching decisions by having Jamal play point guard. I don’t know how we ever lose games with the genius that we have on the sidelines.

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Can L.D. please play Teague at the point for some minutes to spell Hinrich? Hinrich seems less effective after he plays for so minutes in each quarter. Why not give him a breather with Teague? Teague is not a bad backup and may be better defensively than Hinrich!!!

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Najeh,

Also, you should consider the following factor: Jamal CAME IN one minute before Josh left.

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No, not TWIN, i meant Me!!! PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!

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At least Zaza is giving a great effort.

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I guess LD is going to play his starters the entire game.

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Josh has got to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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no wy in hell LD returns as coach next season

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Still getting beat by ANY opponets PG……….PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!

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Here comes Korver.

Yawn. This one is pretty much over already. I’d like to hear some boos.

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why do I even bother watching the hawks when they ar so predicable

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hey dumb LD. you’ve already lost, so do something crazy, like put in teague. oh yeah you’re fired. idiot. ajc guys print this out and hand it to him.

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Getting blown out at home by a team that doesn’t even have its 3 best players in

FIRE LD

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God forbid the Hawks play Teague.

Go back to the Teague/Kirk back court. Marvin provides nothing as a starter, whereas Teague does.

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Where the fluck is Jeff Teague? He must be injured . . .

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hawks timeouts are to discuss where da party at toniiiiight

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LD something is not right with you????????????????????????

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Captain and Duck with big 0s 15 minutes in.

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Jamal at -15. Midway thru the 2nd qtrs. That’s right the Hawks were down 2 when he entered the game.

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I never knew a coach could make Woodson look like an upgrade. Woodson said before he was let go – that he would hand over the keys to Teague – LD is huge regression

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Hawks gettin Bitch Slap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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meanwhile..

Jamal @ pg continues to get burned.

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LOL@TWIN

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who are these bulls players (not rose) schooling all of the hawks?? dunked on your whole team. sigh. slapped by scrubs

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Why not Etan Thomas, I mean Collins is so washed up that its not even funny……….PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!

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MC – why are my comments being blocked???? none of them are showing up

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teams just go bonkers w/ Jamal on the floor. cant miss.

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Hey guys somebody made a fire Larry Drew page on facebook. You need to go “like” it so we can get this dude out of here.

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PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!, why not nobody is playing any defense and we are running no resemblance of any kind of offense

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such an easy pass to give it to the player coming off the screen when there is no ball pressure. Jamal sitting 5 ft off Watson. smh. stupid coaching.

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more great D by Jamal

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BK PASSED UP LUE FOR THAT BUSTER JOSH CHILDRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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No Jeff Teague Again

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Meanwhile, Joe can’t take Kyle Korver off the dribble in transition.

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Hinrich is getting abused out there smdh

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Well, isn’t THIS fun?

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no ball movement. getting killed. everyone trying to be hero.

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THE ARENA SHOULD JUST START CHANTING PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!

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hawks are done
great job LD
you threw away talent even worse than woodrow. gtfo NoClue Drew

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LD there is something not right about you?????????????????????????????????

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hawks would still lose with kobe and lebron starting
LD sucks that bad

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LD are your bags packed yet?????????????????????????????????

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http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Fire-Larry-Drew/196704723682688

PLEASE JOIN THIS PAGE!

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Down by 2pts when Jamal came in the Game…..

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heck, Hinrich is still looking for his kidneys after that play… the Bulls are steam rolling us and it all boils down to preparation.

we have talent, but it is all disorganized and inconsistent.

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lol @ anyone thinking Marvin wasnt prepared for his usual disappearing act.

he may help you off the bench. thats pretty much it.

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Hawks are playing like a bunch of SISSIES on National TV no less!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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10,000 bucks down says the clown starts the same 5 after halftime

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And I’m still waiting on JJ to have an All-Star game against a top team. When was the last time that happened?

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“And I’m still waiting on JJ to have an All-Star game against a top team. When was the last time that happened?”

The 2008 playoffs

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have to agree with Astro Joe, I’m guilty

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I wish at least that fan section would start booing.

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Larry Drew look soft

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The Hawks play zone worse than any other playoff team I have seen.

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way to step up Al.

lol @ him just watching Rose.

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43 at best…1st round sweep right of the PLAYOFFS???????????????PLAYOFFS????????????????????

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too bad we’re not playing teams like the timberwolves and wizards everynight like in the first half of the season

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After our first round exit this year at the hands of the Magic, we should BLOW up this team. The ONLY cog worth keeping is Horford. We were 4th in div last yr, this yr we r 5th. Once NY gets a PG, we will be 6th. time to start over. Atl Hawks r lookin for a few good men. These guys they got AINT it.

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What is wrong with this stupid team? Al had it going in the first quarter and has hit almost every single shot he’s taken (4/5), yet he hasn’t had a single shot in the second quarter? Everything is going badly in this game, yet we can’t even milk the one thing that works? Come on, Drew. Come on, team. This is unacceptable. Please, fire Drew already.

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Heck, if i’m Teague I wouldn’t want to be a part of this drubbing

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We will sputter across the finish line with 45 wins.

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Why even bother with this team at this point? The players don’t care, coach doesn’t care, ownership doesn’ care. Every other team in the city has gotten the memo of trying their hardest to give this city a championship. How many times haas Frank Wren come close to exceeding the salary cap with an acquisition? How many times has Thomas Dimitroff cut ties with ANYBODY and ANYTHING holding the team back, save Mike Mularkey.

What baffles me so much is that ownership seems absolutely content with mediocrity since they have risen from the Tyron Lue days. I can guarantee you that if it were the Bulls that took the eventual champs to 7 games as we did Boston a few years back, they would have won a championship by now. Now that I think of it, they were in a similar position when they played with heart against the Cavs in the playoffs and now look at them. Vast improvements have been made and are now and challenging for a championship.

I watch every home town team’s games since I am a diehard Atlantan born and raised. This team is just a flat out disgrace to the city. Lack of character in players, coaching, and ownership and this is the end result. You almost want them to bomb out the rest of the season as well as in the playoffs so we could see some type of change. This is a pain to see.

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Al is supposed to be a rim protecter?? NOT??????
AL for NENE………………………..

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!

The Hawks are funny!!!

What offense are we playing???? NONE!!

What defense are we playing???? NONE!!!!

JOE JOHNSON is a JOKE!!!

MARVIN is SORRY!!!

Our Coach is an IDIOT!!!!

I will NEVER watch a game again or spend another dime on tickets.

GUYS, BOYCOTT THIS MESS. WHY SHOULD WE WASTE OUR HARD EARNED MONEY ON SOMEONE WHO DOESN’T CARE.

WHO IS IN??????

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lmao and the fact the hawks celebrated all hard when they beat the bulls

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how can joe be okay with this. how can any of them? but especially mega millions ™ joe.

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LD is the biggest idiot in Atlanta,maybe the whole world. How the fk could a coach be this stubborn & this stupid

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Not saying Teague is the savior but damn, he can’t do any worse than whats taking place

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WTF is Kirk doing helping off Rose?

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lmaoooo fans cheering for rose

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The Wasington Generals, coached by Larry Drew.

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Once again the Hawks play awful on national tv… this team is a joke and there is no way that I would pay money to go down to Philips and watch this team that has just watched teams like Chicago, Miami, New York, etc. make moves to get better and move past us in the East. I’m so glad the Braves start soon!!!

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Sad thing is Chicago played last night

FIRE LD

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CHANGE THE CHANNEL FOLKS. HARDCORE PAWN IS ON! A LOT MORE EXCITEMENT.

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National TV, say hello to the Hawks!

Naw, say goodbye

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Well at least Al can provide help defense on Korver.

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Al Horford spotting up in the corner for 3.

smgdh.

foolish.

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lol@bigdave

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Why is the crowd not booing????

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Mike gearon, Jr.,

How do like that sacred core now?

myk’s right…..Ka-Boom!!!!!!

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Kirk giving him 50ft.

lol.

“i want ball pressure” L.D.

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LD post game: “We’re just in a funk right now, we ran into a good team who were just hitting their shots”.
D Rizzle

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I thought the Bulls was built on defense. They scored 132 last night, and they have 72 first half points.

Bad defense by Hinrich last 2 possessions. First, he helped off Rose (leading to a Rose 3), and then with the clock winding down, he did not get up on him (leading to a Rose 3).

However, if it was Teague who made those 2 mistakes, some fans would be all over him.

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“Why is the crowd not booing????”

Probably because there are more bulls fans than hawks fans at the game

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Is there any news about the sale of the Hawks?

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Another 40 pt loss at home, bye LD.

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honestly…NO ONE is surprised!!!

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The entire Hawks team idol is Jimmer Fredette.

Al spottin up from logo

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The Bulls are clowning the Hawks at this point. Hinrich is being torched out there and LD still plays Jamal at the point for some reason. Glad he made some adjustments (sarcasm). Might as well get rid of this dude after this game. The players have packed it in

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If we don’t battle back and make this game interesting – I’m done for the rest of the regular season – this is embarrassing and depressing. The real world is full of downers – don’t need to be subject to undue stress by a sorry coach and hard-headed players.

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Rose is on a mission to embarass the Hawks. He is succeeding spectacularly.

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The funny thing is the Hawks offense hasn’t even been that bad. They are shooting 50% against the league’s best FG% defense.

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Killem C Webb.

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They have given up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LD second thought dont walk run outta here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Just think how bad the score would be if L.D. hadn’t used his magical matchup spidey sense.

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It’s not so much Bulls fans cheering for the Bulls in our house. It’s basketball fans cheering for good basketball. The Hawks can’t provide it, so…

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MY line WEBB just said A BEATDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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seriously…the BEST thing that could happen is that they play themselves outta the playoffs!!!

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look @ Al just watch Rose enter the lane..

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Phillips should be an empty house for the rest of season

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at least play with heart. This unacceptable forreal.

I really want to see Teague, Damien, etc. more than ever now.

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AL YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This is rediculous

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yess please game 2 hurry up

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Hawks should just start the bench the second half.

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okay, taking bets on if idiot LD continues to sit teague the last 24 min

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they are shooting 50% because the bulls are too excited and anxious to get back down the court and score..you can give up one out of two shots when your scoring on every possession seems like

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The difference between winners and losers is like the difference between lightning and a lightning bug.

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Larry Drew dont even kno what to say….he’s probably not even addressing the team right now.

he just went for a smoke break…and pulled out his Virginia Superslims.

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@ this point.. what is there to be a fan of? who can you root for? what player, what organization? they all suck.

i fux w/ this team b/c they here. pretty much it. the Hawks died w/ Mookie.. Smitty.. Ty Corbin.. Andrew Lang.. Grant Long.. Stacey.. etc.

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Sund contract runs out this summer! Lets hope he runs away! Far away……………………..

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Geezus can Teague do worse ?????

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That last win against the bulls = 2011 Atlanta Hawks Championship

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yet.. after a narrow win against the Detroit Pistons. everything is ok..

ha. f- outta here.

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Thats why Larry Drew never got a chance for 18yrs, DUDE CANNOT COACH!!!!

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LD in the locker room yelling. Nobody cares. After the game he closes the locker room for a team meeting. Press conference, “we got away from our gameplan.”

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Two things are obvious..
1. The Hawks made a weak HC hire.
2. They are not constructed to win a title. This isn’t a team missing a piece or 2. They peaked 2 years ago and they won’t get better.

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Jimmer Freddette & Nolan Smith can beat the hawks 2 on 5. At least they pass the darn ball!

To all fans of the Bulls- keep it up, yall r looking really good

Hawks r a bunch of scrubs who play like high school basketball players/

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“Well at least the rest of the nation get to watch what we been seeing all year.”

I don’t think that’s really a good thing. We are already a joke to most of the league. I guess you want people to laugh at us even more.

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For the Love of God!

Where is the pride?

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The Building should only be filled with the sound of CRICKETS for the rest of this lousy season…………

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“He has 2 fouls. Al and Josh gave up a bunch of drives in that second quarter due to foul trouble. It’s not like they have much of a choice.”

You’re right, but part of me wonders whether they should just forget about their foul trouble after a point and turn on the defensive switch again. I mean it’s not like the Hawks are going to come back from this deficit, so what good does it do them to not be in foul trouble in the second half?

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Not saying Teague would slow down Rose at all but damn he was killing Hinrich… And you gotta love how our bigs move away from the lane when opposing players come to the rim. Years later we still need a big ugly. These cats are soft as hell

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How is Al untouchable? He as soft as any other trash we have on this team

Awful defense

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Hawks mgt an embarrassment to the city. content w/ putting this out there. and encouraging the atmosphere you see tonight by selling opponent memorabilia.

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I have to run downstairs and turn off the DVR. Cant waste my hard drive space on this GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

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AL YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

AL for NENE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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Are these real men or something else?????????????????????????

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Here’s what I don’t get about the people on Twitter. They clown the Hawks fans for not supporting the Hawks, but at the same time, they clown the Hawks and say they shouldn’t be taken seriously. Why are they allowed to clown the Hawks and not take them seriously, but people in ATL are not?

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“He has 2 fouls. Al and Josh gave up a bunch of drives in that second quarter due to foul trouble. ”

Al Horford w/ no fouls isnt stepping up my friend. he’s planted. doesnt help, nor contest any penetration into the paint that isnt his cover. they will show that replay again.. he’ll stay glued to his man. keep an eye on it going forward..

@ some point you want him decking someone.

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Liquor and Basketball the two shall never mix!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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All of us that care have just been fooling ourselves. The Hawks are shooting 50% at the half. We should be proud of them. We all knew deep down inside this team would self-destruct. There is no one Hawk who can take leadership of this team with LD making idiotic moves like not playing Teague.

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The best part about losing is seeing all the fans like myself realize how garbage this team is

I’d trade anyone in a heartbeat

Who cares about Jamal at this point? The guy has reached 19 points 4 times in the last 20 games

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same damn lineup smdh

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I’m a very patient guy. I usually err on the side of optimism. The Hawks have destroyed the last molecule of optimism I could drum up for them. I can no longer ignore the fact that Joe Johnson is highly overpaid. He got paid a quadrillion to be a beast. He plays at the rate of a 6 foot 8 Mike Bibby. SOFT! I’m tired of jumpers. Tired of seeing Josh Smith beyond 10 feet of the basket. Tired of seeing Jamal play as if he is upset he hasn’t gotten a new contract. Tired of Marvin Williams playing like he’s 5 foot 11. I once hated the thought of anyone mentioning a trade of Josh Smith. I say scrap the whole squad (except Horford). Horford is the only one with consistency that plays like a pro. He should be the one the Hawks center the franchise around. Definitely not Joe. I am so embarrassed by this dismal effort tonight. I stopped watching midway through the 2nd because I knew they would just pull down their shorts and bend over the rest of the way.

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LD you are OFFICIALLY CLUELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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WHY HASN’T TEAGUE SEEN ANY MINTUES?????? LARRY DREW SUCKS!!!!! THEY SAY ITS NO TIME PANIC BUT D@Mn!!!!!!! THE PLAYERS ON THIS TEAM ARE SORRY AND SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR THEMSELVES ON HOW BAD THEY PLAY ON A REGULAR BASIS CONSIDERING HOW MUCH MONEY THEY MAKE AND THE FACT THAT THEY PLAY BASKETBALL FOR A LIVING.

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“I’d fire LD and promote Lester Conner. It’s not like he can be any worse. This is totally unacceptable.”

I’d fire LD and promote the first person I could find who guaranteed Teague a starting spot and 20 minutes of playing time per game, even if that person was Harry the Hawk.

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LMFAO….HIGH ARCHer

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Glenn Rice in the house, wearing #5.

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So rather than take the ball strong to the rim, Al passes to Josh for a jumper…

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Do this:

Teague is quick enough to guard D. Rose, give him some minutes!!!

Cut Jamal Crawford’s minutes at the point and take him out if he is cold!!

Make Al and Josh go into the post and stay & play there, he!! make everyone take the ball to the basket before jacking up bricks!!

Make everybody play defense or sit on the bench as LD lied about at the beginning of the season (What happened to the new asssistant LD brought in to bring defensive intensity)!!

Reality is:

Team is lost because the coach is lost.

Fan base is weak because team, coach, and ownership are dysfunctional and alienate what little fan base Hawks have.

Hawks always wait until the big stage to embarrass themselves.

Fans cheering for the opponent in your home arena is insane and an indicator that change needs to come.

Woody’s playoff meltdown was bad, but LD’s home losses recently are worse.

The best thing to do is just fire LD tonight during the 3rd quarter but after the game will suffice!!!

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LD show shome backbone and take Josh out. Two straight jumpshots to start the half…

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Al @ the point.

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Josh @ the 2.

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3 missed jump shots for Josh to start the third quarter. Please, stop shooting the ball, Josh!

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KEEP SHOOTIN JOSH!! YA’ll will lose by 50!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Face it people, Teague will only play garbage minutes!!

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Larry drew has the brain the size of a pea.

Even a 5 year old can realize the hawks f•••in suck!

Not coach drew. We have dumba$$ idiots running both the thrashers and hawks

BOYCOTT ALL PHILIPS GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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acting job? what .. ?

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@bigdave…man my thoughts about the Czar too!!LOL

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43 wins maybe?????????? Not…………………………..

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why my dude LD was lookin like that on the cam shot they just showed

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If i was Teague when I get into this game in the 4th qtr I would take every shot, screw passing!!

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at this point……I just want to see Zaza in the game and hopefully a fight or somethin breaks out

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What is wrong with Drew????????????????????????????????

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TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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TNT Crew at half time said “Thie Is A BEAT DOWN’!” Webber abd Barry were right no Da Money. LD start JC1 at PG beginning the Third Quarter…………………..LD needs to go see Da Wizard and Get a Heart and Brains! This gane brings back thoughts of The Orlando Beat Down in Last Year’s Playoffs. Now the as$#@% put Teague in.

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smh now he puts TEAGUE IN

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OH WELL WHAT DO YOU KNOW TEAGUE SETS UP AL ON THE PICK AND POP FOR AN OPEN JUMPER

WHAT AN OFFENSIVE LIABILITY

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This is how the Hawks playoffs will look……………..

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Anybody want to toot Hinrich’s horn tonight?

LOL @ me being way off. Hinrich is a mediocre PG. He’s not a top 10 or 15 talent at the position. He’s solid on most nights. But he’s getting his azz handed to him tonight.

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Its amazing few weeks ago every one was on the Horford ban wagon now you want to trade him give me a break problem is Larry Drew i think Rose will be the MVP this year i am sick of hearing LeBron .

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savior.. ummm, not quite..

but clearly we had on the floor, wasnt getting the job done.

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Larry Drew is a LIAR!!! Jeff Teague is 6′2 with a 6′7 wingspan! Teague has no size disadvantage against ANY point guard! He’s just as big if not bigger than Bibby! I’m tired of these lame azz excuses people! He’s our Starting PG and you know it!

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*what we

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Bring in Hilton Armstrong… Hawks Center of the Future. Player development time for everyone.

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Twitter is hilarious right now. S/O to Mac-Town for the tip.

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Bring back Bibby!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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well what do u know that guy 0 is pretty good. why doesnt he get any playing time?

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Hawks aren’t even going for the loose ball.

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RESIGN BIBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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those are dropping against Kirk, cause he’s scared of the blow by. good contest Jeff.

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yeah@Najeh

It used to make me mad….but the Hawks are living up to the insults now.

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mdotbrown‎ If the Hawks lose by 40, everyone should get free lap dances. #MagicCity
Twitter – 2 minutes ago

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speed of Jeff.. thats a dunk w/ Kirk/Jamal getting back. too bad we couldnt secure the rebound.

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Naw I rather get lap dance from MONIQUE MINOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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man these possessions look awful

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I just think this team is not buying into Larry Drew we made a mistake by not giving more to Avery Johnson the Hawks i believe played harder when Woodson was coach .

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Hawks only have 6 turnovers and are shooting 48%. Yet they’re losing by 30. Something is not right

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AL for NENE

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This game is over… Larry Drew spent 18 yrs as an assistant and this is the best he can do… Terrible.
He sucks..

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Well at least the hawks have closed the floodgates a little with Teague in. Chicago was getting anything they want before.

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Horford and Teague look like they are the only ones even trying at this point. Joe is just being his typical selfish self, and Josh doesn’t even care anymore. As for Hinrich, well, he’s just not a factor at all in this game, honestly.

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@bigdave

Drew is turrible….just plain turrible

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Amen, bigdave…

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are we really about to lose by 40?

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We are down by 38 points now and we have a game tomorrow (not that it really matters much with the way things are going), so why are the starters still in the game? Does L.D. just want us to make up some ground in garbage time so that this loss looks less embarrassing?

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Josh has taken more jumpers than he has grabbed rebounds. SMDH.

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No Jordan Crawford … smh Rick Sund Kill YOURSELF !!!!!!

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Cool, the human giraffe can show that he is as good as our PG of the future.

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*Maurice Lucas before my time.. but if he’s the reciprocal of Boris.. co sign.

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So hows that getting Jamal on track working out for you LD?

How’s that sittin’ Jeff Teague going, huh LD?

What an idiot!

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@ Poop,

It’s so bad that i’m reminising about Woodys switching Defense at this point smh!

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Dr J has been to every or nearly every Hawks game..sure hope he is interested in taking over the ownership to the Hawks!!

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Drew looks like he’s about to cry

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Jamal has to be upset. His value was at its peak, and Hawks did not resign him, and they did not trade him.

Now, his numbers are down, and with the new CBA coming, his new salary is more than likely down.

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http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2011/3/21/2062834/jordan-crawford-takes-on-the-world-teague-has-a-chair

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Fire LD. Simple

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