When the Hawks started the season hot, J.J. was the one guy who always said he wasn’t impressed because they were beating up on lesser teams.
Now that they are taking regular beat downs from better teams, does he think the Hawks still believe they can get on a roll?
“Definitely,” he said. “We know we can beat any team in the league. It’s just a matter of us bringing our ‘A’ game every night. We can’t play down to our opponents [and] when we play teams on our level or that people think are above us, we have got to take it up two more notches.”
Soon after Hinrich joined the team, he said: “Since I’ve been here we’ve talked about defending and bringing the energy. And when we do that we can be a tough team because of the talent we have and athletes and the shooters. If we can lock down on the defensive end, it will make the game a lot easier for us.”
Now the Hawks are defending better (for the most part) but things haven’t been at all easy because they struggle to score despite the talent and athleticism and shooting hasn’ that Hinrich talked about.
Does he think the Hawks still believe they can be a “tough” team like he said back then?
“I believe that way and I feel like everyone in this room does,” Hinrich said. “We’ve had some bumps, we haven’t played well at times but I think everyone believes if we put our minds to it [we can do it]. That’s kind of what we are trying to focus on these last 12 games: every game going out there and gearing up for the playoffs and play playoff basketball and hopefully be ready for the playoffs.”
J.J. and Hinrich aren’t talking about intangibles, not talent. Ken S. had a nice story the other day on the leadership void in the locker room. It was an issue last season, too, and it’s an issue again with the same mix of guys (now notably minus Bibby’s silly influence since the deadline).
But I still think it’s too simple to blame Atlanta’s struggles on intangible things like a lack of leadership. There are so many tangible, quantifiable and observable issues with this team that it’s no great mystery why they are struggling now that the competition has gotten tougher at the same time the calendar says it’s time for the real teams get serious.
For instance, do the Hawks take too many jump shots because they lack leadership? Or, is it like J.J. says, do they not work the post and drive to the basket for scores or fouls because they just aren’t built that way? Remember, the Hawks have been a jump-shooting team all season but L.D. didn’t really start harping on that until the jump shots stopped falling (and, in fact, he’s pretty much encouraged them in Smoove’s case).
Similarly, does the lack of leadership prevent the Hawks from getting back to defend in transition? Or is it just that they aren’t good at it because all those missed shots from a jump-shooting team, combined with no consistent rebounding outside of Smoove and Al, leading to easy chances on the break for their opponents?
All of this is not to say the Hawks don’t sometimes give in too easily when things get tough. But I think they give in because they realize they aren’t good enough to do what’s necessary to win when Plan A doesn’t work. The Hawks are a pretty good team. They could try harder, be tougher, show more heart or whatever and I still don’t think they can overcome their shortcomings to become a very good or great team.
But that’s somewhat speculative on my part, and I understand the frustration of fans who believe the Hawks could be much better if they had more leadership, heart, toughness, etc. And it would be a nice change of pace to see the Hawks at least try to consistently minimize their weaknesses, exploit their strengths, use all of their bona fide rotation players in roles suited for them and see what happens.
Time is running our for the Hawks to figure it out but they insist they still can do it.
“I still think there’s a belief in that,” L.D. said. “Everybody is aware we haven’t had a great March but we are still in position with 12 games left. It’s just a matter of getting on a roll. There are some teams that have struggled in the East and some still struggling. Chicago is the one team that has been the most consistent. Everyone else has had ups and downs.
“I still think it’s wide open. I really hope that our guys still believe they can get on a roll and anything can happen.”
The Hawks can start against the Bulls.
“I think we are still a confident group,” Al said. “Tonight is a big game.”
Damien has an interesting perspective on all of this. I asked him if he’s ever played on a team that struggled and then got it together in the final month and made a run. Soon after the question was out of my mouth I realized he hasn’t been on a good team since he was a rookie in Seattle.
Now he’s on a team that’s struggling but that he still thinks has a shot.
“That’s why, to me, it was never really a big panic or as big of a deal as it seemed,” he said. “Because, I’m like, everyone is panicking around here and I know we lost a couple games we should have won and didn’t play as well as we should have but at the end of the day we are still the fifth seed. So to me I am still excited.
“I think our effort against Miami, it was almost as if we packed in the season it looked like. Looking back, I can understand why the panic has set in for everybody, or it seemed like it. They know we are a better team than this. But at the end of day I am still excited because I have a chance to get in the playoffs and once you get there the seeds and the records go out the window. It’s about execution and adjustments. We will see what happens when we get there.”
Game notes
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
845 comments Add your comment
MsDee
March 22nd, 2011
9:30 pm
Maybe what LD is doing is sending ASG & Sund a message that the guys I have CANT CUT IT!!
bigdave
March 22nd, 2011
9:30 pm
Hawks mgt an embarrassment to the city. content w/ putting this out there. and encouraging the atmosphere you see tonight by selling opponent memorabilia.
JeJe
March 22nd, 2011
9:31 pm
““Well at least the rest of the nation get to watch what we been seeing all year.”
I don’t think that’s really a good thing. We are already a joke to most of the league. I guess you want people to laugh at us even more.”
LOL!!!!!! Everyone in this city knows we’re a joke
slimjr
March 22nd, 2011
9:31 pm
I have to run downstairs and turn off the DVR. Cant waste my hard drive space on this GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Put Me In Coach
March 22nd, 2011
9:31 pm
Fear not, Jeff Teague will play in the 4th qtr (only because of a blowout) while our starters get ready to get BEFUDDLED by the Sixers tomorrow night!!!
slimjr
March 22nd, 2011
9:32 pm
AL YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
AL for NENE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Mitch
March 22nd, 2011
9:32 pm
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slimjr
March 22nd, 2011
9:33 pm
Are these real men or something else?????????????????????????
soldierman
March 22nd, 2011
9:33 pm
somewhere woody is laughing his fat bald head off. Damn shame
Najeh Davenpoop
March 22nd, 2011
9:33 pm
Here’s what I don’t get about the people on Twitter. They clown the Hawks fans for not supporting the Hawks, but at the same time, they clown the Hawks and say they shouldn’t be taken seriously. Why are they allowed to clown the Hawks and not take them seriously, but people in ATL are not?
JoJo the Godfather
March 22nd, 2011
9:33 pm
I’d fire LD and promote Lester Conner. It’s not like he can be any worse. This is totally unacceptable.
bigdave
March 22nd, 2011
9:34 pm
“He has 2 fouls. Al and Josh gave up a bunch of drives in that second quarter due to foul trouble. ”
Al Horford w/ no fouls isnt stepping up my friend. he’s planted. doesnt help, nor contest any penetration into the paint that isnt his cover. they will show that replay again.. he’ll stay glued to his man. keep an eye on it going forward..
@ some point you want him decking someone.
rusty
March 22nd, 2011
9:34 pm
A disgrace to Atlanta & the nba
slimjr
March 22nd, 2011
9:34 pm
Liquor and Basketball the two shall never mix!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
9:34 pm
“I believe in Jeff Teague”
LD you stupid idiot
Please somebody fire the bum!
kaminari
March 22nd, 2011
9:34 pm
All of us that care have just been fooling ourselves. The Hawks are shooting 50% at the half. We should be proud of them. We all knew deep down inside this team would self-destruct. There is no one Hawk who can take leadership of this team with LD making idiotic moves like not playing Teague.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 22nd, 2011
9:34 pm
2 Foul Rules!
This team (Josh tonight), has been conditioned to lay down with two
fouls. I thought 6 was the limit? Keep playing aggressive defense, play your game, play through it!
They way the Bulls are playing inside, Teague would have made no difference. So why not put him in there? What have you got to lose?
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A Basketball game. Rathbun just said what I did, “show some pride.”
JeJe
March 22nd, 2011
9:34 pm
The best part about losing is seeing all the fans like myself realize how garbage this team is
I’d trade anyone in a heartbeat
Who cares about Jamal at this point? The guy has reached 19 points 4 times in the last 20 games
slimjr
March 22nd, 2011
9:35 pm
AL HAS OFFICIALLY QUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
cp
March 22nd, 2011
9:35 pm
same damn lineup smdh
Put Me In Coach
March 22nd, 2011
9:35 pm
Same starting 5 again
ML
March 22nd, 2011
9:35 pm
I’m a very patient guy. I usually err on the side of optimism. The Hawks have destroyed the last molecule of optimism I could drum up for them. I can no longer ignore the fact that Joe Johnson is highly overpaid. He got paid a quadrillion to be a beast. He plays at the rate of a 6 foot 8 Mike Bibby. SOFT! I’m tired of jumpers. Tired of seeing Josh Smith beyond 10 feet of the basket. Tired of seeing Jamal play as if he is upset he hasn’t gotten a new contract. Tired of Marvin Williams playing like he’s 5 foot 11. I once hated the thought of anyone mentioning a trade of Josh Smith. I say scrap the whole squad (except Horford). Horford is the only one with consistency that plays like a pro. He should be the one the Hawks center the franchise around. Definitely not Joe. I am so embarrassed by this dismal effort tonight. I stopped watching midway through the 2nd because I knew they would just pull down their shorts and bend over the rest of the way.
tremaine
March 22nd, 2011
9:35 pm
It’s our fault that our team is losing by 31. We should be at the game.
slimjr
March 22nd, 2011
9:36 pm
LD you are OFFICIALLY CLUELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Astro Joe
March 22nd, 2011
9:36 pm
That’s a good way to get back in the game… a fall-away jumper by Josh. BRILLIANT!
a1andonly
March 22nd, 2011
9:36 pm
WHY HASN’T TEAGUE SEEN ANY MINTUES?????? LARRY DREW SUCKS!!!!! THEY SAY ITS NO TIME PANIC BUT D@Mn!!!!!!! THE PLAYERS ON THIS TEAM ARE SORRY AND SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR THEMSELVES ON HOW BAD THEY PLAY ON A REGULAR BASIS CONSIDERING HOW MUCH MONEY THEY MAKE AND THE FACT THAT THEY PLAY BASKETBALL FOR A LIVING.
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
March 22nd, 2011
9:36 pm
Nothing like coming out of the half with a Smoove jumpshot.
These boys might lose by 50.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 22nd, 2011
9:36 pm
“I’d fire LD and promote Lester Conner. It’s not like he can be any worse. This is totally unacceptable.”
I’d fire LD and promote the first person I could find who guaranteed Teague a starting spot and 20 minutes of playing time per game, even if that person was Harry the Hawk.
kaminari
March 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
What do the Hawks do in practice? Do they practice?
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
March 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
LMFAO….HIGH ARCHer
slimjr
March 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
KEEP SHOOTIN JOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Astro Joe
March 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
Glenn Rice in the house, wearing #5.
bigdave
March 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
way to drive the lane and kick it to Josh for another jump shot Al.
O'Brien
March 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
So rather than take the ball strong to the rim, Al passes to Josh for a jumper…
brigadierjerry
March 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
drmary b this is a disgrace!!
This is like the Brand Nubian song back in the day punks jump up to get beat down!!!
N.D.T.K.A.
March 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
Do this:
Teague is quick enough to guard D. Rose, give him some minutes!!!
Cut Jamal Crawford’s minutes at the point and take him out if he is cold!!
Make Al and Josh go into the post and stay & play there, he!! make everyone take the ball to the basket before jacking up bricks!!
Make everybody play defense or sit on the bench as LD lied about at the beginning of the season (What happened to the new asssistant LD brought in to bring defensive intensity)!!
Reality is:
Team is lost because the coach is lost.
Fan base is weak because team, coach, and ownership are dysfunctional and alienate what little fan base Hawks have.
Hawks always wait until the big stage to embarrass themselves.
Fans cheering for the opponent in your home arena is insane and an indicator that change needs to come.
Woody’s playoff meltdown was bad, but LD’s home losses recently are worse.
The best thing to do is just fire LD tonight during the 3rd quarter but after the game will suffice!!!
Put Me In Coach
March 22nd, 2011
9:38 pm
Again, NO ON BALL DEFENDER………NO PENATRATION INTO THEIR LANE!!!!!!!
Melvin
March 22nd, 2011
9:38 pm
LD show shome backbone and take Josh out. Two straight jumpshots to start the half…
slimjr
March 22nd, 2011
9:38 pm
AL HAS QUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
AL FOR NENE……………..
bigdave
March 22nd, 2011
9:38 pm
Al @ the point.
Astro Joe
March 22nd, 2011
9:38 pm
Dale Ellis in the house, wearing #5.
bigdave
March 22nd, 2011
9:38 pm
Josh @ the 2.
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
March 22nd, 2011
9:38 pm
Smoove firing em up…..MONEY!!!!! lmao
Gerald
March 22nd, 2011
9:38 pm
3 missed jump shots for Josh to start the third quarter. Please, stop shooting the ball, Josh!
bigdave
March 22nd, 2011
9:39 pm
the Czar airing the Hawks dirty laundry out.. lol
slimjr
March 22nd, 2011
9:39 pm
KEEP SHOOTIN JOSH!! YA’ll will lose by 50!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TROTTINGHOME
March 22nd, 2011
9:39 pm
It’s over boys and girls pack the truck and head west…I’m an Oklahoma fan now
Put Me In Coach
March 22nd, 2011
9:39 pm
Face it people, Teague will only play garbage minutes!!
Astro Joe
March 22nd, 2011
9:40 pm
But he learned every play at every position. Can’t say that he isn’t a basketball savant.
B-S
March 22nd, 2011
9:40 pm
Larry drew has the brain the size of a pea.
Even a 5 year old can realize the hawks f•••in suck!
Not coach drew. We have dumba$$ idiots running both the thrashers and hawks
BOYCOTT ALL PHILIPS GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!