Bulls at Atlanta Hawks: Is it really about the intangibles?

When the Hawks started the season hot, J.J. was the one guy who always said he wasn’t impressed because they were beating up on lesser teams.

Now that they are taking regular beat downs from better teams, does he think the Hawks still believe they can get on a roll?

“Definitely,” he said. “We know we can beat any team in the league. It’s just a matter of us bringing our ‘A’ game every night. We can’t play down to our opponents [and] when we play teams on our level or that people think are above us, we have got to take it up two more notches.”

Soon after Hinrich joined the team, he said: “Since I’ve been here we’ve talked about defending and bringing the energy. And when we do that we can be a tough team because of the talent we have and athletes and the shooters. If we can lock down on the defensive end, it will make the game a lot easier for us.”

Now the Hawks are defending better (for the most part) but things haven’t been at all easy because they struggle to score despite the talent and athleticism and shooting hasn’ that Hinrich talked about.

Does he think the Hawks still believe they can be a “tough” team like he said back then?

“I believe that way and I feel like everyone in this room does,” Hinrich said. “We’ve had some bumps, we haven’t played well at times but I think everyone believes if we put our minds to it [we can do it]. That’s kind of what we are trying to focus on these last 12 games: every game going out there and gearing up for the playoffs and play playoff basketball and hopefully be ready for the playoffs.”

J.J. and Hinrich aren’t talking about intangibles, not talent. Ken S. had a nice story the other day on the leadership void in the locker room. It was an issue last season, too, and it’s an issue again with the same mix of guys (now notably minus Bibby’s silly influence since the deadline).

But I still think it’s too simple to blame Atlanta’s struggles on intangible things like a lack of leadership. There are so many tangible, quantifiable and observable issues with this team that it’s no great mystery why they are struggling now that the competition has gotten tougher at the same time the calendar says it’s time for the real teams get serious.

For instance, do the Hawks take too many jump shots because they lack leadership? Or, is it like J.J. says, do they not work the post and drive to the basket for scores or fouls because they just aren’t built that way? Remember, the Hawks have been a jump-shooting team all season but L.D. didn’t really start harping on that until the jump shots stopped falling (and, in fact, he’s pretty much encouraged them in Smoove’s case).

Similarly, does the lack of leadership prevent the Hawks from getting back to defend in transition? Or is it just that they aren’t good at it because all those missed shots from a jump-shooting team, combined with no consistent rebounding outside of Smoove and Al, leading to easy chances on the break for their opponents?

All of this is not to say the Hawks don’t sometimes give in too easily when things get tough. But I think they give in because they realize they aren’t good enough to do what’s necessary to win when Plan A doesn’t work. The Hawks are a pretty good team. They could try harder, be tougher, show more heart or whatever and I still don’t think they can overcome their shortcomings to become a very good or great team.

But that’s somewhat speculative on my part, and I understand the frustration of fans who believe the Hawks could be much better if they had more leadership, heart, toughness, etc. And it would be a nice change of pace to see the Hawks at least try to consistently minimize their weaknesses, exploit their strengths, use all of their bona fide rotation players in roles suited for them and see what happens.

Time is running our for the Hawks to figure it out but they insist they still can do it.

“I still think there’s a belief in that,” L.D. said. “Everybody is aware we haven’t had a great March but we are still in position with 12 games left. It’s just a matter of getting on a roll. There are some teams that have struggled in the East and some still struggling. Chicago is the one team that has been the most consistent. Everyone else has had ups and downs.

“I still think it’s wide open. I really hope that our guys still believe they can get on a roll and anything can happen.”

The Hawks can start against the Bulls.

“I think we are still a confident group,” Al said. “Tonight is a big game.”

Damien has an interesting perspective on all of this. I asked him if he’s ever played on a team that struggled and then got it together in the final month and made a run. Soon after the question was out of my mouth I realized he hasn’t been on a good team since he was a rookie in Seattle.

Now he’s on a team that’s struggling but that he still thinks has a shot.

“That’s why, to me, it was never really a big panic or as big of a deal as it seemed,” he said. “Because, I’m like, everyone is panicking around here and I know we lost a couple games we should have won and didn’t play as well as we should have but at the end of the day we are still the fifth seed. So to me I am still excited.

“I think our effort against Miami, it was almost as if we packed in the season it looked like. Looking back, I can understand why the panic has set in for everybody, or it seemed like it. They know we are a better team than this. But at the end of day I am still excited because I have a chance to get in the playoffs and once you get there the seeds and the records go out the window. It’s about execution and adjustments. We will see what happens when we get there.”

Game notes

  • L.D. is using the Hinrich, J.J., Marvin, Smoove, Al lineup tonight: “I like the size that it gives us. It gives us another shooter in Marvin at the three spot, particularly when teams are double-teaming us. It’s our regular lineup with an upgrade at the point position. It gives us a little more flexibility to go with our regular rotations.”
  • L.D on the tough closing slate: “The schedule is what it is. We take them one at a time. We are in a position where we can control our own destiny. We are playing at home against good teams. We should feel good about that.”
  • Hinrich on the same topic: “Since I’ve been here our schedule has been brutal. It is what it is. It’s the NBA; there are no nights off. We just need to focus on ourselves and bring a tough mindset every night and hang together as a group and we will be all right.”
  • After the Hawks held down Rose in the first meeting, he went off in the second half in Chicago (aided by Hinrich’s foul trouble). Rose was 8 of 8 on free throws after halftime, 14 of 15 for the game. “We have to keep Rose off the free-throw line as much as we can,” Drew said.
  • The Bulls are a middling offensive team but they crushed Sacto last night. Deng was the only starter to play more than 28 minutes. The Bulls are 13-5 in the second night of back-to-back.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

845 comments Add your comment

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
9:20 pm

No on ball defense at all National TV, say hello to the Hawks!

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:21 pm

Phillips should be an empty house for the rest of season

Stizz

March 22nd, 2011
9:21 pm

Man oh man, where is Teague? Someone please buy this team.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:21 pm

at least play with heart. This unacceptable forreal.

I really want to see Teague, Damien, etc. more than ever now.

JeJe

March 22nd, 2011
9:21 pm

Here’s what will happen:

Get destroyed tonight, destroyed tomorrow night

Horford calls a player’s only meeting Friday morning and we beat two scrub teams this weekend

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:21 pm

AL YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uh Oh

March 22nd, 2011
9:21 pm

Another national tv embarrassment by an Atlanta team.

Section 212

March 22nd, 2011
9:22 pm

This is rediculous

Booo!

March 22nd, 2011
9:22 pm

I’ve CONSISTANTLY told y’all that JEFF TEAGUE is our STARTING point guard. We don’t need all of that fluffy jumpshooting offense. I TOLD y’all that Teague and Wilkins should have started! They are not getting ANY playing Time!

FIRE Larry drew!

Nique's Revenge

March 22nd, 2011
9:22 pm

yess please game 2 hurry up

B-S

March 22nd, 2011
9:22 pm

Get rid off list for next season:
Trade Joe “Blow” Johnson to New Orleans for- Chris Paul, 2nd round pick
Cut Marvin
Cut Smoove
Cut Hinrich
Cut Zaza
Keep Horford
Get/Draft a LEGIT center
Get a new PG
Get a decent replacement for Marvin
Get a player who is actually willing to pass (unlike smoove)
FIRE Larry Drew (He’s an excuse of a coach)
FIRE Rick Sund (Core crap my a$$)
Get new OWNERS who aren’t cheap.

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
9:22 pm

Hawks should just start the bench the second half.

O'Brien

March 22nd, 2011
9:22 pm

Rev,

I called it pre-game. Rose said he was still mad about the 19 point lead they gave up last time they were here, and I knew he would be determined to make sure his team responds.

Samuel,

Here is another classis LD: “All good teams go through stretches like this. We just have to keep grinding”

Nique's Revenge

March 22nd, 2011
9:22 pm

okay, taking bets on if idiot LD continues to sit teague the last 24 min

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

March 22nd, 2011
9:22 pm

Roland – good questions – things that make you go hmmmm….

kevkat

March 22nd, 2011
9:22 pm

they are shooting 50% because the bulls are too excited and anxious to get back down the court and score..you can give up one out of two shots when your scoring on every possession seems like

JeJe

March 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm

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kaminari

March 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm

The difference between winners and losers is like the difference between lightning and a lightning bug.

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm

Actually by the fans chanting MVP for the opposing teams should help seal the fate of Rick Sund!! That “I LOVE OUR CORE” crap is done, we have gone as far as we can with this “CORE”, need a real GM with actual basketball knowledge and will make shrewd moves to improve this team and demand every player be accountable!!!!!!!

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm

Larry Drew dont even kno what to say….he’s probably not even addressing the team right now.

he just went for a smoke break…and pulled out his Virginia Superslims.

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm

Well at least the rest of the nation get to watch what we been seeing all year.

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm

@ this point.. what is there to be a fan of? who can you root for? what player, what organization? they all suck.

i fux w/ this team b/c they here. pretty much it. the Hawks died w/ Mookie.. Smitty.. Ty Corbin.. Andrew Lang.. Grant Long.. Stacey.. etc.

B-S

March 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm

Were a disgrace to NBA playoff teams… :(

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm

Sund contract runs out this summer! Lets hope he runs away! Far away……………………..

drmaryb (*_-)

March 22nd, 2011
9:24 pm

Hypertension!

Bob Rathbun said, “I’m going to go take a blood pressure pill now.”
____________

Does anybody care to play any defense?
What is the status of that New Group’s due diligence to purchase this franchise (2 teams + Philips Arena). Now that the three entities can be all sold separately, that should be doable.

What investor would ever want to buy a NBA franchise saddled with a hockey team? Who would want that? Especially with the hockey team losing 130M in 5 years! Who? OMG!

What a fine mess.

ignition

March 22nd, 2011
9:24 pm

Geezus can Teague do worse ?????

NCBravesFan

March 22nd, 2011
9:24 pm

“We just have to keep grinding”

Thanks LD, but the Hawks are the ones in the woodchipper …

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:24 pm

That last win against the bulls = 2011 Atlanta Hawks Championship

mykhalc

March 22nd, 2011
9:24 pm

they need to continue to be seen for the joke of a team/franchise that they are…PERIOD!!! more national games please!!!

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:24 pm

yet.. after a narrow win against the Detroit Pistons. everything is ok..

ha. f- outta here.

Gerald

March 22nd, 2011
9:25 pm

“look @ Al just watch Rose enter the lane..”

He has 2 fouls. Al and Josh gave up a bunch of drives in that second quarter due to foul trouble. It’s not like they have much of a choice. If they pick up another foul, then you’ll get to complain about Zaza or Collins trying to chase guards through the lane. If our guards could keep their men in front of them, we wouldn’t have that problem. Our bigs have to do everything because our guards are so incompetent.

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
9:25 pm

Thats why Larry Drew never got a chance for 18yrs, DUDE CANNOT COACH!!!!

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:25 pm

Sund has stunk for 31 years..HE’s Done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RETIRE RETARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
9:25 pm

LD in the locker room yelling. Nobody cares. After the game he closes the locker room for a team meeting. Press conference, “we got away from our gameplan.”

Stizz

March 22nd, 2011
9:26 pm

The winner of March Madness should play the Hawks.

A-Ville Ranger

March 22nd, 2011
9:26 pm

Two things are obvious..
1. The Hawks made a weak HC hire.
2. They are not constructed to win a title. This isn’t a team missing a piece or 2. They peaked 2 years ago and they won’t get better.

Loserville USA

March 22nd, 2011
9:26 pm

Keeping THE CORE together is like not flushing the toilet for a month.

Well Sund gave MAX JOHNSON the contract….anything to make us forget about not drafting Chris Paul.

Seriously — TERRIBLE FRONT OFFICE. DREW IS NOT A HEAD COACH.

A real waste of time.

B-S

March 22nd, 2011
9:27 pm

Jimmer Freddette & Nolan Smith can beat the hawks 2 on 5. At least they pass the darn ball!

To all fans of the Bulls- keep it up, yall r looking really good

Hawks r a bunch of scrubs who play like high school basketball players/

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
9:27 pm

“Get destroyed tonight, destroyed tomorrow night

Horford calls a player’s only meeting Friday morning and we beat two scrub teams this weekend”

It would be funny if it wasn’t 100% true.

Gerald

March 22nd, 2011
9:27 pm

“Well at least the rest of the nation get to watch what we been seeing all year.”

I don’t think that’s really a good thing. We are already a joke to most of the league. I guess you want people to laugh at us even more.

a1andonly

March 22nd, 2011
9:27 pm

FIRE LARRY DREW!!!!!
GET RID OF JOE JOHNSON!!!!
TELL THE OWNERS TO SELL THE TEAM TO SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BRING A CHAMPIONSHIP TO THE CITY!!!!!!!
FANS STOP BUYING TICKETS!!!!!!!!!!
&
I AM NO LONGER A HAWKS FAN UNTIL WE FIX THESE ISSUES!!!!!!!

drmaryb (*_-)

March 22nd, 2011
9:28 pm

For the Love of God!

Where is the pride?

Rev in Tampa

March 22nd, 2011
9:28 pm

Hawks could make a statement to the fans by firing Drew tomorrow. Of course they can’t do it with the Hawks headed to the playoffs, but this performance demands some kind of response.

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:28 pm

The Building should only be filled with the sound of CRICKETS for the rest of this lousy season…………

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
9:29 pm

Not saying totally blow up this team, but outside of AL & Joe (contract issues), this team should put everyone up for grabs, this franchise will get worse before it gets better……A coach that for some reason keeps playing Marvin & Twin but at the same time nails Teague to the bench

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
9:29 pm

“He has 2 fouls. Al and Josh gave up a bunch of drives in that second quarter due to foul trouble. It’s not like they have much of a choice.”

You’re right, but part of me wonders whether they should just forget about their foul trouble after a point and turn on the defensive switch again. I mean it’s not like the Hawks are going to come back from this deficit, so what good does it do them to not be in foul trouble in the second half?

TGT

March 22nd, 2011
9:29 pm

Haven’t watched a second of the game. I got home a few minutes ago and got the halftime score on my iPhone. I see I’ve missed nothing. The Hawks have become a joke.

cp

March 22nd, 2011
9:29 pm

Not saying Teague would slow down Rose at all but damn he was killing Hinrich… And you gotta love how our bigs move away from the lane when opposing players come to the rim. Years later we still need a big ugly. These cats are soft as hell

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:29 pm

SISSIES you HAWK PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JeJe

March 22nd, 2011
9:29 pm

How is Al untouchable? He as soft as any other trash we have on this team

Awful defense