Bulls at Atlanta Hawks: Is it really about the intangibles?

When the Hawks started the season hot, J.J. was the one guy who always said he wasn’t impressed because they were beating up on lesser teams.

Now that they are taking regular beat downs from better teams, does he think the Hawks still believe they can get on a roll?

“Definitely,” he said. “We know we can beat any team in the league. It’s just a matter of us bringing our ‘A’ game every night. We can’t play down to our opponents [and] when we play teams on our level or that people think are above us, we have got to take it up two more notches.”

Soon after Hinrich joined the team, he said: “Since I’ve been here we’ve talked about defending and bringing the energy. And when we do that we can be a tough team because of the talent we have and athletes and the shooters. If we can lock down on the defensive end, it will make the game a lot easier for us.”

Now the Hawks are defending better (for the most part) but things haven’t been at all easy because they struggle to score despite the talent and athleticism and shooting hasn’ that Hinrich talked about.

Does he think the Hawks still believe they can be a “tough” team like he said back then?

“I believe that way and I feel like everyone in this room does,” Hinrich said. “We’ve had some bumps, we haven’t played well at times but I think everyone believes if we put our minds to it [we can do it]. That’s kind of what we are trying to focus on these last 12 games: every game going out there and gearing up for the playoffs and play playoff basketball and hopefully be ready for the playoffs.”

J.J. and Hinrich aren’t talking about intangibles, not talent. Ken S. had a nice story the other day on the leadership void in the locker room. It was an issue last season, too, and it’s an issue again with the same mix of guys (now notably minus Bibby’s silly influence since the deadline).

But I still think it’s too simple to blame Atlanta’s struggles on intangible things like a lack of leadership. There are so many tangible, quantifiable and observable issues with this team that it’s no great mystery why they are struggling now that the competition has gotten tougher at the same time the calendar says it’s time for the real teams get serious.

For instance, do the Hawks take too many jump shots because they lack leadership? Or, is it like J.J. says, do they not work the post and drive to the basket for scores or fouls because they just aren’t built that way? Remember, the Hawks have been a jump-shooting team all season but L.D. didn’t really start harping on that until the jump shots stopped falling (and, in fact, he’s pretty much encouraged them in Smoove’s case).

Similarly, does the lack of leadership prevent the Hawks from getting back to defend in transition? Or is it just that they aren’t good at it because all those missed shots from a jump-shooting team, combined with no consistent rebounding outside of Smoove and Al, leading to easy chances on the break for their opponents?

All of this is not to say the Hawks don’t sometimes give in too easily when things get tough. But I think they give in because they realize they aren’t good enough to do what’s necessary to win when Plan A doesn’t work. The Hawks are a pretty good team. They could try harder, be tougher, show more heart or whatever and I still don’t think they can overcome their shortcomings to become a very good or great team.

But that’s somewhat speculative on my part, and I understand the frustration of fans who believe the Hawks could be much better if they had more leadership, heart, toughness, etc. And it would be a nice change of pace to see the Hawks at least try to consistently minimize their weaknesses, exploit their strengths, use all of their bona fide rotation players in roles suited for them and see what happens.

Time is running our for the Hawks to figure it out but they insist they still can do it.

“I still think there’s a belief in that,” L.D. said. “Everybody is aware we haven’t had a great March but we are still in position with 12 games left. It’s just a matter of getting on a roll. There are some teams that have struggled in the East and some still struggling. Chicago is the one team that has been the most consistent. Everyone else has had ups and downs.

“I still think it’s wide open. I really hope that our guys still believe they can get on a roll and anything can happen.”

The Hawks can start against the Bulls.

“I think we are still a confident group,” Al said. “Tonight is a big game.”

Damien has an interesting perspective on all of this. I asked him if he’s ever played on a team that struggled and then got it together in the final month and made a run. Soon after the question was out of my mouth I realized he hasn’t been on a good team since he was a rookie in Seattle.

Now he’s on a team that’s struggling but that he still thinks has a shot.

“That’s why, to me, it was never really a big panic or as big of a deal as it seemed,” he said. “Because, I’m like, everyone is panicking around here and I know we lost a couple games we should have won and didn’t play as well as we should have but at the end of the day we are still the fifth seed. So to me I am still excited.

“I think our effort against Miami, it was almost as if we packed in the season it looked like. Looking back, I can understand why the panic has set in for everybody, or it seemed like it. They know we are a better team than this. But at the end of day I am still excited because I have a chance to get in the playoffs and once you get there the seeds and the records go out the window. It’s about execution and adjustments. We will see what happens when we get there.”

Game notes

  • L.D. is using the Hinrich, J.J., Marvin, Smoove, Al lineup tonight: “I like the size that it gives us. It gives us another shooter in Marvin at the three spot, particularly when teams are double-teaming us. It’s our regular lineup with an upgrade at the point position. It gives us a little more flexibility to go with our regular rotations.”
  • L.D on the tough closing slate: “The schedule is what it is. We take them one at a time. We are in a position where we can control our own destiny. We are playing at home against good teams. We should feel good about that.”
  • Hinrich on the same topic: “Since I’ve been here our schedule has been brutal. It is what it is. It’s the NBA; there are no nights off. We just need to focus on ourselves and bring a tough mindset every night and hang together as a group and we will be all right.”
  • After the Hawks held down Rose in the first meeting, he went off in the second half in Chicago (aided by Hinrich’s foul trouble). Rose was 8 of 8 on free throws after halftime, 14 of 15 for the game. “We have to keep Rose off the free-throw line as much as we can,” Drew said.
  • The Bulls are a middling offensive team but they crushed Sacto last night. Deng was the only starter to play more than 28 minutes. The Bulls are 13-5 in the second night of back-to-back.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

845 comments Add your comment

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
8:56 pm

Nice drive Smoove. Good thing he didn’t lose the ball when he got stripped on his initial drive.

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm

Why not Etan Thomas, I mean Collins is so washed up that its not even funny……….PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!

Nique's Revenge

March 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm

and the hawks STAND AROUND and watch the bulls slam dunk an offensive board in their faces. wow

Solid Fifth Seed

March 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm

MC – why are my comments being blocked???? none of them are showing up

cp

March 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm

teams just go bonkers w/ Jamal on the floor. cant miss.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

March 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm

Their bench OWNS ours

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
8:58 pm

Hey guys somebody made a fire Larry Drew page on facebook. You need to go “like” it so we can get this dude out of here.

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
8:58 pm

LD HAS 5 MARVINAS OUT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
8:58 pm

PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!, why not nobody is playing any defense and we are running no resemblance of any kind of offense

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
8:58 pm

I would go to games just to yell We Want Teague, but I don’t feel like forking over any more money to the DASG at this point.

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
8:58 pm

such an easy pass to give it to the player coming off the screen when there is no ball pressure. Jamal sitting 5 ft off Watson. smh. stupid coaching.

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
8:58 pm

“GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE!

vava74

March 22nd, 2011
8:58 pm

more great D by Jamal

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
8:59 pm

Marvin has done nothing for 6yrs and keeps getting major burn????

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
8:59 pm

BK PASSED UP LUE FOR THAT BUSTER JOSH CHILDRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
8:59 pm

Hawks offense looks ugly as sh-t right now.

Rashod

March 22nd, 2011
8:59 pm

No Jeff Teague Again

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm

CMON PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!! their PG’s are getting to the basket at will

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm

Meanwhile, Joe can’t take Kyle Korver off the dribble in transition.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

March 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm

Jamal is a helluva facilitator and distributor.

cp

March 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm

Hinrich is getting abused out there smdh

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm

ABUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CALL 911. LOL

Sautee

March 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm

Well, isn’t THIS fun?

TruthSeeker

March 22nd, 2011
9:01 pm

No team should get punked as consistently at home as they Hawks do. It’s one thing to lose, but with us the game is usually over at halftime.

This is a disheartening situation.

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:01 pm

no ball movement. getting killed. everyone trying to be hero.

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
9:01 pm

DAMN KIRK!!!

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
9:01 pm

THE ARENA SHOULD JUST START CHANTING PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
9:01 pm

If only the Hawks had a championship fan base, they would be winning this game.

Nique's Revenge

March 22nd, 2011
9:01 pm

hawks are done
great job LD
you threw away talent even worse than woodrow. gtfo NoClue Drew

O'Brien

March 22nd, 2011
9:02 pm

Man, these Bulls are tough.

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:02 pm

LD there is something not right about you?????????????????????????????????

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:02 pm

these dudes act like they dont even care.

Nique's Revenge

March 22nd, 2011
9:02 pm

hawks would still lose with kobe and lebron starting
LD sucks that bad

N.D.T.K.A.

March 22nd, 2011
9:02 pm

Are we sure the Hawks are playing at home listenig to the crowd seems as though Hawks are in Chicago? Listen to the crowd erupt as Korver strokes a three!! This is embarrassing to say the least!!

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:02 pm

LD are your bags packed yet?????????????????????????????????

Roland

March 22nd, 2011
9:03 pm

Guess who is, once again, leading the team in field goal attempts? Yep, it’s Josh Smith…again. Luckily, he’s made most of his shots tonight, and attempted to attack in the paint, so I’ll let it slide for now. He and Horford are the only ones scoring, really.

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
9:03 pm

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Fire-Larry-Drew/196704723682688

PLEASE JOIN THIS PAGE!

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
9:03 pm

Another 30pt beatdown at home, NOBODY takes the Hawks serious

Rufus1

March 22nd, 2011
9:03 pm

Down by 2pts when Jamal came in the Game…..

cp

March 22nd, 2011
9:03 pm

This game is over. LD learned absolutely nothing from the last one. I saw some of the ugliest lineups tonight. LD has no clue. Blow it up

vava74

March 22nd, 2011
9:03 pm

heck, Hinrich is still looking for his kidneys after that play… the Bulls are steam rolling us and it all boils down to preparation.

we have talent, but it is all disorganized and inconsistent.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:03 pm

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:04 pm

lol @ anyone thinking Marvin wasnt prepared for his usual disappearing act.

he may help you off the bench. thats pretty much it.

mykhalc

March 22nd, 2011
9:04 pm

there is NOTHIN’ uglier than a Hawks offensive set…PERIOD!!!

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:04 pm

Hawks are playing like a bunch of SISSIES on National TV no less!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kevkat

March 22nd, 2011
9:04 pm

Can’t wait to hear what Webber and the crew have to say at the half

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
9:04 pm

10,000 bucks down says the clown starts the same 5 after halftime

Astro Joe

March 22nd, 2011
9:04 pm

Some of y’all should be embarassed for giving LD your unconditional love earlier this season… just because he was replacing Woody. All of that anti-Woody talk. Funny. Next time, you may want to wait and see results before believing just any pretty talk coming from a sharp-dressed man. And he ain’t even sharp-dressed.

O'Brien

March 22nd, 2011
9:04 pm

And I’m still waiting on JJ to have an All-Star game against a top team. When was the last time that happened?