Bulls at Atlanta Hawks: Is it really about the intangibles?

When the Hawks started the season hot, J.J. was the one guy who always said he wasn’t impressed because they were beating up on lesser teams.

Now that they are taking regular beat downs from better teams, does he think the Hawks still believe they can get on a roll?

“Definitely,” he said. “We know we can beat any team in the league. It’s just a matter of us bringing our ‘A’ game every night. We can’t play down to our opponents [and] when we play teams on our level or that people think are above us, we have got to take it up two more notches.”

Soon after Hinrich joined the team, he said: “Since I’ve been here we’ve talked about defending and bringing the energy. And when we do that we can be a tough team because of the talent we have and athletes and the shooters. If we can lock down on the defensive end, it will make the game a lot easier for us.”

Now the Hawks are defending better (for the most part) but things haven’t been at all easy because they struggle to score despite the talent and athleticism and shooting hasn’ that Hinrich talked about.

Does he think the Hawks still believe they can be a “tough” team like he said back then?

“I believe that way and I feel like everyone in this room does,” Hinrich said. “We’ve had some bumps, we haven’t played well at times but I think everyone believes if we put our minds to it [we can do it]. That’s kind of what we are trying to focus on these last 12 games: every game going out there and gearing up for the playoffs and play playoff basketball and hopefully be ready for the playoffs.”

J.J. and Hinrich aren’t talking about intangibles, not talent. Ken S. had a nice story the other day on the leadership void in the locker room. It was an issue last season, too, and it’s an issue again with the same mix of guys (now notably minus Bibby’s silly influence since the deadline).

But I still think it’s too simple to blame Atlanta’s struggles on intangible things like a lack of leadership. There are so many tangible, quantifiable and observable issues with this team that it’s no great mystery why they are struggling now that the competition has gotten tougher at the same time the calendar says it’s time for the real teams get serious.

For instance, do the Hawks take too many jump shots because they lack leadership? Or, is it like J.J. says, do they not work the post and drive to the basket for scores or fouls because they just aren’t built that way? Remember, the Hawks have been a jump-shooting team all season but L.D. didn’t really start harping on that until the jump shots stopped falling (and, in fact, he’s pretty much encouraged them in Smoove’s case).

Similarly, does the lack of leadership prevent the Hawks from getting back to defend in transition? Or is it just that they aren’t good at it because all those missed shots from a jump-shooting team, combined with no consistent rebounding outside of Smoove and Al, leading to easy chances on the break for their opponents?

All of this is not to say the Hawks don’t sometimes give in too easily when things get tough. But I think they give in because they realize they aren’t good enough to do what’s necessary to win when Plan A doesn’t work. The Hawks are a pretty good team. They could try harder, be tougher, show more heart or whatever and I still don’t think they can overcome their shortcomings to become a very good or great team.

But that’s somewhat speculative on my part, and I understand the frustration of fans who believe the Hawks could be much better if they had more leadership, heart, toughness, etc. And it would be a nice change of pace to see the Hawks at least try to consistently minimize their weaknesses, exploit their strengths, use all of their bona fide rotation players in roles suited for them and see what happens.

Time is running our for the Hawks to figure it out but they insist they still can do it.

“I still think there’s a belief in that,” L.D. said. “Everybody is aware we haven’t had a great March but we are still in position with 12 games left. It’s just a matter of getting on a roll. There are some teams that have struggled in the East and some still struggling. Chicago is the one team that has been the most consistent. Everyone else has had ups and downs.

“I still think it’s wide open. I really hope that our guys still believe they can get on a roll and anything can happen.”

The Hawks can start against the Bulls.

“I think we are still a confident group,” Al said. “Tonight is a big game.”

Damien has an interesting perspective on all of this. I asked him if he’s ever played on a team that struggled and then got it together in the final month and made a run. Soon after the question was out of my mouth I realized he hasn’t been on a good team since he was a rookie in Seattle.

Now he’s on a team that’s struggling but that he still thinks has a shot.

“That’s why, to me, it was never really a big panic or as big of a deal as it seemed,” he said. “Because, I’m like, everyone is panicking around here and I know we lost a couple games we should have won and didn’t play as well as we should have but at the end of the day we are still the fifth seed. So to me I am still excited.

“I think our effort against Miami, it was almost as if we packed in the season it looked like. Looking back, I can understand why the panic has set in for everybody, or it seemed like it. They know we are a better team than this. But at the end of day I am still excited because I have a chance to get in the playoffs and once you get there the seeds and the records go out the window. It’s about execution and adjustments. We will see what happens when we get there.”

Game notes

  • L.D. is using the Hinrich, J.J., Marvin, Smoove, Al lineup tonight: “I like the size that it gives us. It gives us another shooter in Marvin at the three spot, particularly when teams are double-teaming us. It’s our regular lineup with an upgrade at the point position. It gives us a little more flexibility to go with our regular rotations.”
  • L.D on the tough closing slate: “The schedule is what it is. We take them one at a time. We are in a position where we can control our own destiny. We are playing at home against good teams. We should feel good about that.”
  • Hinrich on the same topic: “Since I’ve been here our schedule has been brutal. It is what it is. It’s the NBA; there are no nights off. We just need to focus on ourselves and bring a tough mindset every night and hang together as a group and we will be all right.”
  • After the Hawks held down Rose in the first meeting, he went off in the second half in Chicago (aided by Hinrich’s foul trouble). Rose was 8 of 8 on free throws after halftime, 14 of 15 for the game. “We have to keep Rose off the free-throw line as much as we can,” Drew said.
  • The Bulls are a middling offensive team but they crushed Sacto last night. Deng was the only starter to play more than 28 minutes. The Bulls are 13-5 in the second night of back-to-back.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

845 comments Add your comment

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
8:49 pm

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James

March 22nd, 2011
8:49 pm

Larry Drew is, once again, displaying his intelligent (sarcasm intended) coaching decisions by having Jamal play point guard. I don’t know how we ever lose games with the genius that we have on the sidelines.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
8:49 pm

Props to Zaza for trying to get to the line.

Thibodeau is a smart offensive coach too. When Jamal came into the game he started running his man off screens trying to get him open.

N.D.T.K.A.

March 22nd, 2011
8:49 pm

Can L.D. please play Teague at the point for some minutes to spell Hinrich? Hinrich seems less effective after he plays for so minutes in each quarter. Why not give him a breather with Teague? Teague is not a bad backup and may be better defensively than Hinrich!!!

O'Brien

March 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm

Hinrich is out. Which means Jamal has the reins at PG again…

I’m sure LD is just trying to get him going. Doesn’t LD have any plays he can run to get Jamal an easy shot?

vava74

March 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm

Najeh,

Also, you should consider the following factor: Jamal CAME IN one minute before Josh left.

J.J.M

March 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm

wow 3 shots?

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm

No, not TWIN, i meant Me!!! PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!

Nique's Revenge

March 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm

PUT IN TEAGUE PUT IN TEAGUE PUT IN TEAGUE PUT IN TEAGUE PUT IN TEAGUE PUT IN TEAGUE PUT IN TEAGUE PUT IN TEAGUE PUT IN TEAGUE PUT IN TEAGUE PUT IN TEAGUE PUT IN TEAGUE PUT IN TEAGUE PUT IN TEAGUE

Solid Fifth Seed

March 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm

At least Zaza is giving a great effort.

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm

Blow out comin tonight! Hawks are done…Just going through the motions now..Stick a fork in this turkey!!!!!!!!!!!

Melvin

March 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm

I guess LD is going to play his starters the entire game.

J.J.M

March 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm

Josh has got to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Solid Fifth Seed

March 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm

Looks like another blowout!!!!

Nique's Revenge

March 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm

FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm

“When Josh is ON he is a presence, but he is not ON every single minute of each game and certainly not every game.”

Doesn’t change the fact that his singular presence on defense means more to this team than any other player on that end. You can say he should be better if you want, but you’re talking about what he theoretically could be, whereas I’m talking about what he is.

Of course now that he’s playing with two fouls, there goes his aggressiveness on D.

J.J.M

March 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm

no wy in hell LD returns as coach next season

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm

Marvin is a BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm

Still getting beat by ANY opponets PG……….PLAY JEFF TEAGUE!!!!

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

March 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm

its about to get ugly

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
8:52 pm

Here comes Korver.

Yawn. This one is pretty much over already. I’d like to hear some boos.

vava74

March 22nd, 2011
8:52 pm

Great D by Crawford again :-D

J.J.M

March 22nd, 2011
8:52 pm

why do I even bother watching the hawks when they ar so predicable

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
8:53 pm

I can’t wait until halftime to hear Chris Webber trash this team.

Nique's Revenge

March 22nd, 2011
8:53 pm

hey dumb LD. you’ve already lost, so do something crazy, like put in teague. oh yeah you’re fired. idiot. ajc guys print this out and hand it to him.

Solid Fifth Seed

March 22nd, 2011
8:53 pm

Can somebody tell me what game Marvin Williams is playing? No shot, no defense, no jumping….

JeJe

March 22nd, 2011
8:53 pm

Getting blown out at home by a team that doesn’t even have its 3 best players in

FIRE LD

Not Sund

March 22nd, 2011
8:53 pm

Timeout, so what, L.D. has nothing.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
8:53 pm

God forbid the Hawks play Teague.

Go back to the Teague/Kirk back court. Marvin provides nothing as a starter, whereas Teague does.

N.D.T.K.A.

March 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm

Jamal Crawford plays absolutely nooooooooo defense!! But I guess I’m stating the obvious.. This is not rocket science is it? We are not all stupid are we? Why can’t LD make simple adjustments, obvious common sense moves during the game?

CONservative Johnson

March 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm

Where the fluck is Jeff Teague? He must be injured . . .

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm

72% shooting for the Bulls. Deng is 6/7.

Nique's Revenge

March 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm

hawks timeouts are to discuss where da party at toniiiiight

Roland

March 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm

We really only have one good player on our team these days (Al Horford). When Josh becomes a jump shooter or loses his defensive focus, he’s just an average player at best, and Joe is just a low-efficiency scorer these days. Jamal is just a one-dimensional volume scorer. It’s sad what has happened to the team.

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm

LD something is not right with you????????????????????????

cp

March 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm

SMH WTF is up with these lineups LD is throwing out there. Man this game is already over.

prison mike

March 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm

Captain and Duck with big 0s 15 minutes in.

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm

Agree with Najeh

Melvin

March 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm

Jamal at -15. Midway thru the 2nd qtrs. That’s right the Hawks were down 2 when he entered the game.

O'Brien

March 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm

In 8 minutes, jamal is -13.

It happens so often, is it really a coincidence?

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

March 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm

I never knew a coach could make Woodson look like an upgrade. Woodson said before he was let go – that he would hand over the keys to Teague – LD is huge regression

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm

Sautee, Aaron..

my point was that Al was defended by the center position. he got the ball where he normally does regardless of it being ZaZa or Josh in the game along side him.. but the common belief is that he can’t be effective @ center, guarded by larger guys. he’s looked fine. remember last time Chicago was here, he went off offensively.. mostly playing center.

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm

Hawks gettin Bitch Slap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

mykhalc

March 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm

this team is just ready to pack it in. LD…complete idiot!!!

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm

meanwhile..

Jamal @ pg continues to get burned.

vava74

March 22nd, 2011
8:56 pm

Let us be clear: the 16-4 spurt was accomplished with Jamal on the floor.

Of course that Zaza on the floor does not help either, but defense starts on the perimeter.

And LD goes with Collins – who I believe to be a useful rotation player in the right settings – on account of what right now?

Against very mobile bigs like Noah, Gibson and to a lesser extent Boozer?

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
8:56 pm

kevkat

March 22nd, 2011
8:56 pm

Right now the weather channel seems more interesting

Nique's Revenge

March 22nd, 2011
8:56 pm

who are these bulls players (not rose) schooling all of the hawks?? dunked on your whole team. sigh. slapped by scrubs