When the Hawks started the season hot, J.J. was the one guy who always said he wasn’t impressed because they were beating up on lesser teams.
Now that they are taking regular beat downs from better teams, does he think the Hawks still believe they can get on a roll?
“Definitely,” he said. “We know we can beat any team in the league. It’s just a matter of us bringing our ‘A’ game every night. We can’t play down to our opponents [and] when we play teams on our level or that people think are above us, we have got to take it up two more notches.”
Soon after Hinrich joined the team, he said: “Since I’ve been here we’ve talked about defending and bringing the energy. And when we do that we can be a tough team because of the talent we have and athletes and the shooters. If we can lock down on the defensive end, it will make the game a lot easier for us.”
Now the Hawks are defending better (for the most part) but things haven’t been at all easy because they struggle to score despite the talent and athleticism and shooting hasn’ that Hinrich talked about.
Does he think the Hawks still believe they can be a “tough” team like he said back then?
“I believe that way and I feel like everyone in this room does,” Hinrich said. “We’ve had some bumps, we haven’t played well at times but I think everyone believes if we put our minds to it [we can do it]. That’s kind of what we are trying to focus on these last 12 games: every game going out there and gearing up for the playoffs and play playoff basketball and hopefully be ready for the playoffs.”
J.J. and Hinrich aren’t talking about intangibles, not talent. Ken S. had a nice story the other day on the leadership void in the locker room. It was an issue last season, too, and it’s an issue again with the same mix of guys (now notably minus Bibby’s silly influence since the deadline).
But I still think it’s too simple to blame Atlanta’s struggles on intangible things like a lack of leadership. There are so many tangible, quantifiable and observable issues with this team that it’s no great mystery why they are struggling now that the competition has gotten tougher at the same time the calendar says it’s time for the real teams get serious.
For instance, do the Hawks take too many jump shots because they lack leadership? Or, is it like J.J. says, do they not work the post and drive to the basket for scores or fouls because they just aren’t built that way? Remember, the Hawks have been a jump-shooting team all season but L.D. didn’t really start harping on that until the jump shots stopped falling (and, in fact, he’s pretty much encouraged them in Smoove’s case).
Similarly, does the lack of leadership prevent the Hawks from getting back to defend in transition? Or is it just that they aren’t good at it because all those missed shots from a jump-shooting team, combined with no consistent rebounding outside of Smoove and Al, leading to easy chances on the break for their opponents?
All of this is not to say the Hawks don’t sometimes give in too easily when things get tough. But I think they give in because they realize they aren’t good enough to do what’s necessary to win when Plan A doesn’t work. The Hawks are a pretty good team. They could try harder, be tougher, show more heart or whatever and I still don’t think they can overcome their shortcomings to become a very good or great team.
But that’s somewhat speculative on my part, and I understand the frustration of fans who believe the Hawks could be much better if they had more leadership, heart, toughness, etc. And it would be a nice change of pace to see the Hawks at least try to consistently minimize their weaknesses, exploit their strengths, use all of their bona fide rotation players in roles suited for them and see what happens.
Time is running our for the Hawks to figure it out but they insist they still can do it.
“I still think there’s a belief in that,” L.D. said. “Everybody is aware we haven’t had a great March but we are still in position with 12 games left. It’s just a matter of getting on a roll. There are some teams that have struggled in the East and some still struggling. Chicago is the one team that has been the most consistent. Everyone else has had ups and downs.
“I still think it’s wide open. I really hope that our guys still believe they can get on a roll and anything can happen.”
The Hawks can start against the Bulls.
“I think we are still a confident group,” Al said. “Tonight is a big game.”
Damien has an interesting perspective on all of this. I asked him if he’s ever played on a team that struggled and then got it together in the final month and made a run. Soon after the question was out of my mouth I realized he hasn’t been on a good team since he was a rookie in Seattle.
Now he’s on a team that’s struggling but that he still thinks has a shot.
“That’s why, to me, it was never really a big panic or as big of a deal as it seemed,” he said. “Because, I’m like, everyone is panicking around here and I know we lost a couple games we should have won and didn’t play as well as we should have but at the end of the day we are still the fifth seed. So to me I am still excited.
“I think our effort against Miami, it was almost as if we packed in the season it looked like. Looking back, I can understand why the panic has set in for everybody, or it seemed like it. They know we are a better team than this. But at the end of day I am still excited because I have a chance to get in the playoffs and once you get there the seeds and the records go out the window. It’s about execution and adjustments. We will see what happens when we get there.”
Game notes
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
845 comments Add your comment
rusty
March 22nd, 2011
8:35 pm
How could any bozos on this blog really say that JT has had a real chance to be a starter on this team?.????.
J.J.M
March 22nd, 2011
8:35 pm
horford should have pump faked and drove the ball
Najeh Davenpoop
March 22nd, 2011
8:35 pm
Jamal’s man hits a 3 while Jamal has his head turned wondering whether he should be helping. I wonder how much better Jamal would get on D if LD just told him to never help off his man. It seems like most of the time when he gets burned it’s because he’s trying to provide help on someone in the post or someone driving the lane.
cp
March 22nd, 2011
8:36 pm
Jamal doesnt even try to play defense smdh
J.J.M
March 22nd, 2011
8:36 pm
im ready to see teague in over kirk
sleepy
March 22nd, 2011
8:36 pm
I hate the fact that hes not in at pg because all he ends up- doing is standing around doing a Bibby impersonation ?
If you play him at SG and then run no plays for him what good does that do ?
Thats the difference between this years and last years team
Section 212
March 22nd, 2011
8:36 pm
Well, at least we are scoring points…..I still want more ISO JOE
tremaine
March 22nd, 2011
8:36 pm
Hinrich can’t guard Rose.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 22nd, 2011
8:36 pm
Turnover #2 for Kirk.
No hard fouls on Rose in the lane; no keeping Rose out of the lane either, for that matter. And Al has to clean up those defensive boards when they hit him in the hands.
vava74
March 22nd, 2011
8:37 pm
First defensive lapse by Jamal = Bogans for 3
O'Brien
March 22nd, 2011
8:37 pm
I wonder if LD’s game plan is to keeo Kirk in the game as long as Rose is in the game…
Sautee
March 22nd, 2011
8:37 pm
Najeh,
Jamal was looking for steals. His biggest defensive flaw because he can get a few now and then.
vava74
March 22nd, 2011
8:39 pm
tremaine,
Hinrich played solid D on that drive and Rose missed. It’s a shame that our bigs did not clean the glass and Rose got it.
What do you want more against a guy who is a freakish talent? You have to try to slow him down whilst not picking up too many fouls that take you out of the game.
J.J.M
March 22nd, 2011
8:40 pm
tripple teaming rose
J.J.M
March 22nd, 2011
8:40 pm
lmaooo zaza wtf ur not good
Najeh Davenpoop
March 22nd, 2011
8:40 pm
That last possession was the first one for the Bulls since Smoove left the game on which the Bulls didn’t get at least one point.
vava74
March 22nd, 2011
8:40 pm
Najeh,
The first TO I think it was a botched call – Kirk seemed to be tripped.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
March 22nd, 2011
8:40 pm
Rose is shattering Hinrich’s ankles and hips – WE NEED TEAGUE lateral quickness.
Not Sund
March 22nd, 2011
8:41 pm
Poop, the problem with Josh is he refuses to play the right way. if he got inside and committed to the battle people wouldn’t dog him and the coaches around the league might choose him as an all-star.
He may not be able to do all that we think he can but he would get his due for playing the right game for his skills.
kaminari
March 22nd, 2011
8:41 pm
Hawks still in this one. I want to see what Teague will do against Rose.
J.J.M
March 22nd, 2011
8:41 pm
horford sucks at blocking shots
Najeh Davenpoop
March 22nd, 2011
8:41 pm
Nice extra pass by Zaza.
J.J.M
March 22nd, 2011
8:42 pm
PUT IN TEAGUEEEEEEEEE
prison mike
March 22nd, 2011
8:42 pm
zaza is like an orange cone out there.
tremaine
March 22nd, 2011
8:42 pm
Nobody in the league can guard Rose.
J.J.M
March 22nd, 2011
8:43 pm
here comes the blow out again
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
March 22nd, 2011
8:43 pm
LD sucks – WE NEED TEAGUE!!!!
bigdave
March 22nd, 2011
8:43 pm
for the record.. Al is playing center exclusively even w/ ZaZa in the game, as Kurt Thomas draws the assignment.. ZaZa guarded by PF Gibson.
J.J.M
March 22nd, 2011
8:44 pm
might as well forget about josh 2 fouls this team has no chance if rose keeps driving the ball with no shot blocking
cp
March 22nd, 2011
8:44 pm
Well this is ugly smdh
tremaine
March 22nd, 2011
8:44 pm
So I guess Hinrich is going to play the whole game.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 22nd, 2011
8:44 pm
The Bulls just scored 14 points in 4:39 with Smoove off the floor. They scored 17 points in the previous 7:21 with him on the floor. Don’t tell me Smoove’s defensive impact ends with his blocks.
kevkat
March 22nd, 2011
8:44 pm
I concur prison mike
Not Sund
March 22nd, 2011
8:45 pm
So, do the Hawks give up and give in? I think they are gonna fight back.
Jae Evolution
March 22nd, 2011
8:45 pm
Rose is in ATTACK mode, help us if we let Jamal run the point when he is in the game.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 22nd, 2011
8:45 pm
I would join in on the chorus for Teague, but what’s the point. We all know Teague won’t play until the Bulls are up by 25 in the 4th quarter.
O'Brien
March 22nd, 2011
8:45 pm
Najeh,
The Hawks are doing what LD wanted. Keeping Rose off the free throw line SMH
So Deng has made 100 3-pt this season. meanwhile, Marvin is stuck on 30. FYI, the most 3’s Marvin has ever made in a season is 55.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 22nd, 2011
8:46 pm
In fact, by my recollection, the Bulls either scored or got to the free throw line on all but one possession after Smoove left the game.
J.J.M
March 22nd, 2011
8:46 pm
at least josh will attmept to block the shots instead of letting rose get easy lay ups..all 17 points didnt come by drives by rose.
kaminari
March 22nd, 2011
8:46 pm
We’re gonna lose this. You can already see the slumping body language of the Hawks. Can’t stop Rose. Can’t guard Deng. Can’t beat the Chicago defense. Here we go again.
Aaron
March 22nd, 2011
8:47 pm
bigdave (8:43 pm post) , that is because Thibodeau is a smart defensive coach. He puts his best defenders on the other teams’ best offensive players. Thibodeau knows that Horford is a bigger offensive threat than Pachulia, so he puts his best interior defenders (Thomas and Noah) on Horford, while Boozer and Gibson guard the other Hawks big men.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 22nd, 2011
8:47 pm
“So Deng has made 100 3-pt this season. meanwhile, Marvin is stuck on 30. FYI, the most 3’s Marvin has ever made in a season is 55.”
That’s exactly what I was thinking when they said that. One guy works on his game and gets better; the other guy hits those books for his African American Studies classes.
sleepy
March 22nd, 2011
8:47 pm
lol Rose is a SUPERSTAR hes gonna get his no matter what at least with Crawford we could at least TRY and make him guard someone . Rose gets to rest on defense and go to work on offense
Sautee
March 22nd, 2011
8:47 pm
bigdave,
I think Tibs just had Thomas on Horford ’cause he’s kryptonite to Al. But Zaza seemed to be at center to me.
J.J.M
March 22nd, 2011
8:47 pm
and josh is back in the game like I said
J.J.M
March 22nd, 2011
8:48 pm
I mean at least zaza is attempting to drive the ball
tremaine
March 22nd, 2011
8:48 pm
Hinrich still in even with Rose on the bench.
vava74
March 22nd, 2011
8:48 pm
Najeh,
Josh is one of the most important factors in our game play.
When Josh is ON he is a presence, but he is not ON every single minute of each game and certainly not every game.
O'Brien
March 22nd, 2011
8:49 pm
Rose is out of the game, but LD has kept Hinrich in?
Oh Oh. Jamal is playing PG…
Solid Fifth Seed
March 22nd, 2011
8:49 pm
Funny how the Hawks have become worse on offense since they’ve gone away from the Iso Joe offense.