Bulls at Atlanta Hawks: Is it really about the intangibles?

When the Hawks started the season hot, J.J. was the one guy who always said he wasn’t impressed because they were beating up on lesser teams.

Now that they are taking regular beat downs from better teams, does he think the Hawks still believe they can get on a roll?

“Definitely,” he said. “We know we can beat any team in the league. It’s just a matter of us bringing our ‘A’ game every night. We can’t play down to our opponents [and] when we play teams on our level or that people think are above us, we have got to take it up two more notches.”

Soon after Hinrich joined the team, he said: “Since I’ve been here we’ve talked about defending and bringing the energy. And when we do that we can be a tough team because of the talent we have and athletes and the shooters. If we can lock down on the defensive end, it will make the game a lot easier for us.”

Now the Hawks are defending better (for the most part) but things haven’t been at all easy because they struggle to score despite the talent and athleticism and shooting hasn’ that Hinrich talked about.

Does he think the Hawks still believe they can be a “tough” team like he said back then?

“I believe that way and I feel like everyone in this room does,” Hinrich said. “We’ve had some bumps, we haven’t played well at times but I think everyone believes if we put our minds to it [we can do it]. That’s kind of what we are trying to focus on these last 12 games: every game going out there and gearing up for the playoffs and play playoff basketball and hopefully be ready for the playoffs.”

J.J. and Hinrich aren’t talking about intangibles, not talent. Ken S. had a nice story the other day on the leadership void in the locker room. It was an issue last season, too, and it’s an issue again with the same mix of guys (now notably minus Bibby’s silly influence since the deadline).

But I still think it’s too simple to blame Atlanta’s struggles on intangible things like a lack of leadership. There are so many tangible, quantifiable and observable issues with this team that it’s no great mystery why they are struggling now that the competition has gotten tougher at the same time the calendar says it’s time for the real teams get serious.

For instance, do the Hawks take too many jump shots because they lack leadership? Or, is it like J.J. says, do they not work the post and drive to the basket for scores or fouls because they just aren’t built that way? Remember, the Hawks have been a jump-shooting team all season but L.D. didn’t really start harping on that until the jump shots stopped falling (and, in fact, he’s pretty much encouraged them in Smoove’s case).

Similarly, does the lack of leadership prevent the Hawks from getting back to defend in transition? Or is it just that they aren’t good at it because all those missed shots from a jump-shooting team, combined with no consistent rebounding outside of Smoove and Al, leading to easy chances on the break for their opponents?

All of this is not to say the Hawks don’t sometimes give in too easily when things get tough. But I think they give in because they realize they aren’t good enough to do what’s necessary to win when Plan A doesn’t work. The Hawks are a pretty good team. They could try harder, be tougher, show more heart or whatever and I still don’t think they can overcome their shortcomings to become a very good or great team.

But that’s somewhat speculative on my part, and I understand the frustration of fans who believe the Hawks could be much better if they had more leadership, heart, toughness, etc. And it would be a nice change of pace to see the Hawks at least try to consistently minimize their weaknesses, exploit their strengths, use all of their bona fide rotation players in roles suited for them and see what happens.

Time is running our for the Hawks to figure it out but they insist they still can do it.

“I still think there’s a belief in that,” L.D. said. “Everybody is aware we haven’t had a great March but we are still in position with 12 games left. It’s just a matter of getting on a roll. There are some teams that have struggled in the East and some still struggling. Chicago is the one team that has been the most consistent. Everyone else has had ups and downs.

“I still think it’s wide open. I really hope that our guys still believe they can get on a roll and anything can happen.”

The Hawks can start against the Bulls.

“I think we are still a confident group,” Al said. “Tonight is a big game.”

Damien has an interesting perspective on all of this. I asked him if he’s ever played on a team that struggled and then got it together in the final month and made a run. Soon after the question was out of my mouth I realized he hasn’t been on a good team since he was a rookie in Seattle.

Now he’s on a team that’s struggling but that he still thinks has a shot.

“That’s why, to me, it was never really a big panic or as big of a deal as it seemed,” he said. “Because, I’m like, everyone is panicking around here and I know we lost a couple games we should have won and didn’t play as well as we should have but at the end of the day we are still the fifth seed. So to me I am still excited.

“I think our effort against Miami, it was almost as if we packed in the season it looked like. Looking back, I can understand why the panic has set in for everybody, or it seemed like it. They know we are a better team than this. But at the end of day I am still excited because I have a chance to get in the playoffs and once you get there the seeds and the records go out the window. It’s about execution and adjustments. We will see what happens when we get there.”

Game notes

  • L.D. is using the Hinrich, J.J., Marvin, Smoove, Al lineup tonight: “I like the size that it gives us. It gives us another shooter in Marvin at the three spot, particularly when teams are double-teaming us. It’s our regular lineup with an upgrade at the point position. It gives us a little more flexibility to go with our regular rotations.”
  • L.D on the tough closing slate: “The schedule is what it is. We take them one at a time. We are in a position where we can control our own destiny. We are playing at home against good teams. We should feel good about that.”
  • Hinrich on the same topic: “Since I’ve been here our schedule has been brutal. It is what it is. It’s the NBA; there are no nights off. We just need to focus on ourselves and bring a tough mindset every night and hang together as a group and we will be all right.”
  • After the Hawks held down Rose in the first meeting, he went off in the second half in Chicago (aided by Hinrich’s foul trouble). Rose was 8 of 8 on free throws after halftime, 14 of 15 for the game. “We have to keep Rose off the free-throw line as much as we can,” Drew said.
  • The Bulls are a middling offensive team but they crushed Sacto last night. Deng was the only starter to play more than 28 minutes. The Bulls are 13-5 in the second night of back-to-back.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

845 comments Add your comment

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
10:18 pm

Sautee..

exactly what we’d need from him!

mykhalc

March 22nd, 2011
10:18 pm

watchin’ FATAL ATTRACTIONS on AP channel…was way more entertainin’!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
10:18 pm

TheChainsRemain‎ Larry Drew needs 2 shave his eyebrows 2 motivate his team. #Hawks
Twitter – seconds ago

Uh Oh

March 22nd, 2011
10:19 pm

It’s not LD’s fault for this mess. Blame the incompetent spirit group for Billy knight, mike Woodson, Marvin Williams, Joe Johnson, Sheldon Williams, speedy claxton, Larry drew, etc etc etc…..

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:19 pm

Man, at least Hilton is beastin a little bit

Sautee

March 22nd, 2011
10:19 pm

That was NOT doc.

ignition

March 22nd, 2011
10:19 pm

I can blame Sund for the Horrible, Horrible, Horrible, Horrible Kurt Hinrich trade..

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:20 pm

“It’s not LD’s fault for this mess.”

That is the most hilarious comment possibly ever on this blog.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
10:20 pm

“Larry Drew” is trending in Atlanta. Time to check this out.

Sautee

March 22nd, 2011
10:20 pm

myk,

Yeah, bunnies boiling is a lot more fun than this.

Check y’all later.

mykhalc

March 22nd, 2011
10:20 pm

i stopped watchin’ at the start of the 3rd but i really enjoyed the Czar spillin’ the ASG dirt. really nice to hear it bein’ talked about so clearly and out in the open!!!

btw…LD is still an idiot!!!

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
10:21 pm

Nice to see Marvin and Joe on the bench laughing and joking.

yoursporthouse.com

March 22nd, 2011
10:21 pm

THESE MF’ERS ARE FCKN WORTHLESS…NO HEART AT ALL!!! IF I WAS THE OWNER, I WOULD FORFEIT THE SEASON, PAY THESE CLOWNS AND TELL THEM TO FCK OFF ON YOUR OWN TIME AND BUY ME 12 NEW PLAYERS. THIS IS PATHETIC!! NOBODY HAS ANY EMOTION, ANY CARE ABOUT THE GAME. THEY SUCK!! WORTHLESS NBA TEAM. SO WHAT YOU DON’T HAVE A CONTRACT, YOU’RE UNDER CONTRACT THIS YEAR. PLAY LIKE IT JAMAL OR YOU WON’T GET A DECENT CONTRACT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE NOW WE KNOW IF YOU DON’T HAVE A CONTRACT, YOU WILL TANK IT LIKE A LITTLE GIRL. THESE GUYS SUCK BIZZALLS!!!

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
10:21 pm

Mac..

oh believe it.. its going down.

they got that im bored, its 3rd period class and im already half way done w/ my right side focus.

rusty

March 22nd, 2011
10:21 pm

jT by far is my favorite player on the hawks & jc2 would have been my second. I view the rest of the
Team not counting Wilkins or Etan to be trash like LD

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
10:21 pm

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:22 pm

If we still had Bibby, it would be worse.

Because LD would still be coach. And would still hate young guards.

Could you imagine Bibby on Rose tonight.

LD should’ve brought Teague in with about 3-4 minutes to go in the 1st, let him run hard at Rose or make him sit a while, then Hinrich would be rested to play Rose a little better.

LD cannot Head Coach. At All

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
10:22 pm

Jeff w/ penetration.. probing.. finds Hilton, who hits Powell.. ball off his chest out of bounds.

MsDee

March 22nd, 2011
10:22 pm

Teague is making LD look bad!!

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
10:22 pm

ay this man looks completely lost. A coach shouldnt even look like that regardless. L. Drew = DONE

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
10:22 pm

AL HORFOD. GUILTY.

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:22 pm

Atta boy Jeff!!!

LD can’t break your spirit – I hope, cuz he’s sure tried.

MsDee

March 22nd, 2011
10:23 pm

Teague is making LD look bad!

NCBravesFan

March 22nd, 2011
10:23 pm

Chris Webber on TNT pretty much saying what the rest of us have – the biggest difference this year with the Hawks is their mental approach and discipline.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
10:23 pm

@russbengtson Russ Bengtson
Nancy Drew > Larry Drew
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Not Sund

March 22nd, 2011
10:24 pm

To paraphrase a wise man; “The Hawks are who we thought they were”!

N.D.T.K.A.

March 22nd, 2011
10:24 pm

LOL @ Josh Smith telling Cheryl Miller “the players on the team don’t trust each other!” Time to take out the dynamite for the “core”!

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:24 pm

Down by 44. This may beat the Hornets loss.

I hope it does. Maybe ASG will wake up

At least Arthur Blank was at a game recently. Maybe he’s got ideas.

Astro Joe

March 22nd, 2011
10:24 pm

Najeh, yeah, you can make all kind of good assessments based on this 4th quarter. If Armstrong gets more than 3 rebounds, he should probably start over Josh Smith tomorrow night.

Paradise Lost

March 22nd, 2011
10:25 pm

I’ve sat through all the blow-outs this year, but I just cannot take this one today. For once, I’m not complaining about League Pass since I just easily flipped to the Wizards/POR game where JC2 and Wall are ballin and the score is tied.

Good luck Teague. I hope you find a team where you can get some real burn one day…

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:25 pm

Wonder what the TO is for? How to overcome a 44 point deficit in 6 minutes or less?

O'Brien

March 22nd, 2011
10:25 pm

I liked the conversation between the TNT crew.

So when the assistant HC tells Cheryl Miller we need to defend better, Josh comes over and says its not about defense, its about trusting each other?

Interesting…

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
10:25 pm

kirkmorrison55‎ Tweety Bird > Hawks (Atlanta)
Twitter – 1 minute ago

Stizz

March 22nd, 2011
10:26 pm

Management is scared to fire Drew because they’re scared of what his wife would do.

Pnotthead

March 22nd, 2011
10:26 pm

And the sad part is, all of US blogging on this wants it more than those overpaid jackasses do!!! They just went to commercial and Josh Smith is smiling!! What a freaking joke!!!

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:27 pm

Way to box out guys

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
10:27 pm

“Najeh, yeah, you can make all kind of good assessments based on this 4th quarter. If Armstrong gets more than 3 rebounds, he should probably start over Josh Smith tomorrow night.”

Teague has played consistently well enough in regular time that yes, I am willing to extrapolate his garbage time performance into something he could do on a regular basis.

Astro Joe

March 22nd, 2011
10:27 pm

I think Toni Kukoc is about to get in for the Bulls.

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
10:27 pm

decent “core” .. 2-3 pieces away from improving roster and competing but mgt doesnt make the moves so they keep the payroll down, making the franchise more attractive for a potential buyer.

who’s really interested in winning?

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
10:28 pm

Damn Teague ballin

Astro Joe

March 22nd, 2011
10:28 pm

Go, Jeff. Shut me up… light up the scrubs.

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
10:28 pm

Jeff showing the improvement in his shot that i’ve mentioned in past blogs.

Atlanta Fawkers

March 22nd, 2011
10:28 pm

SEND A MESSAGE HAWKS FANS!!!!!

STAY WAY FROM ANYMORE HOME GAMES INCLUDING PLAYOFFS UNTIL REAL CHANGE IS MADE!!!!!!!

JeJe

March 22nd, 2011
10:28 pm

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mykhalc

March 22nd, 2011
10:28 pm

KA BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
10:29 pm

JEFF TEAGUE MOTHERF-CKERS

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
10:29 pm

I cant take it……..

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
10:29 pm

TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:29 pm

If LD is not fired, he def. should make a statement and start Teague, Wilkens, and Hilton maybe tomorrow night.

Astro Joe

March 22nd, 2011
10:29 pm

SuperTeague in the House. Cinderfella LIVES another night.