Bulls at Atlanta Hawks: Is it really about the intangibles?

When the Hawks started the season hot, J.J. was the one guy who always said he wasn’t impressed because they were beating up on lesser teams.

Now that they are taking regular beat downs from better teams, does he think the Hawks still believe they can get on a roll?

“Definitely,” he said. “We know we can beat any team in the league. It’s just a matter of us bringing our ‘A’ game every night. We can’t play down to our opponents [and] when we play teams on our level or that people think are above us, we have got to take it up two more notches.”

Soon after Hinrich joined the team, he said: “Since I’ve been here we’ve talked about defending and bringing the energy. And when we do that we can be a tough team because of the talent we have and athletes and the shooters. If we can lock down on the defensive end, it will make the game a lot easier for us.”

Now the Hawks are defending better (for the most part) but things haven’t been at all easy because they struggle to score despite the talent and athleticism and shooting hasn’ that Hinrich talked about.

Does he think the Hawks still believe they can be a “tough” team like he said back then?

“I believe that way and I feel like everyone in this room does,” Hinrich said. “We’ve had some bumps, we haven’t played well at times but I think everyone believes if we put our minds to it [we can do it]. That’s kind of what we are trying to focus on these last 12 games: every game going out there and gearing up for the playoffs and play playoff basketball and hopefully be ready for the playoffs.”

J.J. and Hinrich aren’t talking about intangibles, not talent. Ken S. had a nice story the other day on the leadership void in the locker room. It was an issue last season, too, and it’s an issue again with the same mix of guys (now notably minus Bibby’s silly influence since the deadline).

But I still think it’s too simple to blame Atlanta’s struggles on intangible things like a lack of leadership. There are so many tangible, quantifiable and observable issues with this team that it’s no great mystery why they are struggling now that the competition has gotten tougher at the same time the calendar says it’s time for the real teams get serious.

For instance, do the Hawks take too many jump shots because they lack leadership? Or, is it like J.J. says, do they not work the post and drive to the basket for scores or fouls because they just aren’t built that way? Remember, the Hawks have been a jump-shooting team all season but L.D. didn’t really start harping on that until the jump shots stopped falling (and, in fact, he’s pretty much encouraged them in Smoove’s case).

Similarly, does the lack of leadership prevent the Hawks from getting back to defend in transition? Or is it just that they aren’t good at it because all those missed shots from a jump-shooting team, combined with no consistent rebounding outside of Smoove and Al, leading to easy chances on the break for their opponents?

All of this is not to say the Hawks don’t sometimes give in too easily when things get tough. But I think they give in because they realize they aren’t good enough to do what’s necessary to win when Plan A doesn’t work. The Hawks are a pretty good team. They could try harder, be tougher, show more heart or whatever and I still don’t think they can overcome their shortcomings to become a very good or great team.

But that’s somewhat speculative on my part, and I understand the frustration of fans who believe the Hawks could be much better if they had more leadership, heart, toughness, etc. And it would be a nice change of pace to see the Hawks at least try to consistently minimize their weaknesses, exploit their strengths, use all of their bona fide rotation players in roles suited for them and see what happens.

Time is running our for the Hawks to figure it out but they insist they still can do it.

“I still think there’s a belief in that,” L.D. said. “Everybody is aware we haven’t had a great March but we are still in position with 12 games left. It’s just a matter of getting on a roll. There are some teams that have struggled in the East and some still struggling. Chicago is the one team that has been the most consistent. Everyone else has had ups and downs.

“I still think it’s wide open. I really hope that our guys still believe they can get on a roll and anything can happen.”

The Hawks can start against the Bulls.

“I think we are still a confident group,” Al said. “Tonight is a big game.”

Damien has an interesting perspective on all of this. I asked him if he’s ever played on a team that struggled and then got it together in the final month and made a run. Soon after the question was out of my mouth I realized he hasn’t been on a good team since he was a rookie in Seattle.

Now he’s on a team that’s struggling but that he still thinks has a shot.

“That’s why, to me, it was never really a big panic or as big of a deal as it seemed,” he said. “Because, I’m like, everyone is panicking around here and I know we lost a couple games we should have won and didn’t play as well as we should have but at the end of the day we are still the fifth seed. So to me I am still excited.

“I think our effort against Miami, it was almost as if we packed in the season it looked like. Looking back, I can understand why the panic has set in for everybody, or it seemed like it. They know we are a better team than this. But at the end of day I am still excited because I have a chance to get in the playoffs and once you get there the seeds and the records go out the window. It’s about execution and adjustments. We will see what happens when we get there.”

Game notes

  • L.D. is using the Hinrich, J.J., Marvin, Smoove, Al lineup tonight: “I like the size that it gives us. It gives us another shooter in Marvin at the three spot, particularly when teams are double-teaming us. It’s our regular lineup with an upgrade at the point position. It gives us a little more flexibility to go with our regular rotations.”
  • L.D on the tough closing slate: “The schedule is what it is. We take them one at a time. We are in a position where we can control our own destiny. We are playing at home against good teams. We should feel good about that.”
  • Hinrich on the same topic: “Since I’ve been here our schedule has been brutal. It is what it is. It’s the NBA; there are no nights off. We just need to focus on ourselves and bring a tough mindset every night and hang together as a group and we will be all right.”
  • After the Hawks held down Rose in the first meeting, he went off in the second half in Chicago (aided by Hinrich’s foul trouble). Rose was 8 of 8 on free throws after halftime, 14 of 15 for the game. “We have to keep Rose off the free-throw line as much as we can,” Drew said.
  • The Bulls are a middling offensive team but they crushed Sacto last night. Deng was the only starter to play more than 28 minutes. The Bulls are 13-5 in the second night of back-to-back.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

845 comments Add your comment

a1andonly

March 22nd, 2011
10:04 pm

GET RID OF JOSH SMITH SORRY BUTT TOO!!!!!!!!!!!! (IF ANYONE EVEN WANTS HIM). THESE ARE WORDS FROM A DISHEARTENED FAN!!!!!

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:04 pm

Fire LD. Simple

O'Brien

March 22nd, 2011
10:05 pm

Clyde,

Get the LD T-Shirts going…

Pnotthead

March 22nd, 2011
10:06 pm

I’ve been a hawks fan for over twenty years and this is the lowest moment in this franchises history. At least when Nique, Doc, Tree, Mookie, Smitty etc. played they NEVER gave up! When they lost it was because the other team was just better or they could not pull it out in the end. But they never quit like these guys obviously have. F&#K the ownership situation or the fact that Larry D is an incompetent coach!! Where is the pride they should have for at least for not wanting to play like this?? For not wanting to be embarrased on national TV?? How about despite all the “business” thats taking place upstairs, you guys say we can at least play with some sense of DIGNITY DAMNN!!!!!!

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
10:06 pm

Next Hawks Head Coach: Bruce Pearl

lmfao

kaminari

March 22nd, 2011
10:06 pm

This game is historic. Another historic loss by the Hawks. How bi-polar can a team get. This team is a total disgrace to its fans. I can’t believe that this is what’s left of a 53-win team from a year ago. How could they have fallen so far? It can’t just be LD’s fault. How can one man totally destroy a team? It’s cancerous.

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
10:07 pm

Jordan Crawford as a Hawk: 41 DNP-CD’s… in 16 games he averaged the following: 10mpg, 4.2ppg on 35.1 percent shooting, .9 turnovers and assists, 1.8 rebounds, and .2 steals.

Jordan Crawford post-Hawks: 0 DNP-CD’s… in his first 11 games he averaged the following: 24mpg, 12.3ppg on 40.3 percent shooting, 2.1 turnovers, 2.3 assists, 1.9 rebounds, and 1.4 steals.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
10:08 pm

lmao@man im trippin everytime they put the cam on Drew….he look shook.

he got that “i just got my lunch money took by a bully” look

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
10:08 pm

Al Horford strained his hamstring apparently, according to MC’s Twitter.

ML

March 22nd, 2011
10:08 pm

Game over when your best rebounder at this point is Joe Johnson. Bulls have doubled the Hawks in rebounding and assists. They should give up their checks for this game and donate it to charity. Pape Sy would have stood out in this game. Mike Woodson is sitting back chuckling at this. Of all the silly losses, this one made me reach my boiling point. Gosh, I am so disgusted!!!

Gerald

March 22nd, 2011
10:08 pm

“Drew looks like he’s about to cry”

He should be crying. He should be ashamed of what he’s done to this team. He’s made a total mockery of this franchise and destroyed any hope of continuing the path of improvement that we’ve been on. I’m just waiting for him to be fired. That will be the highlight of the Hawks season.

The Game Has Changed

March 22nd, 2011
10:08 pm

TO ALL OF YALL-Love it or leave it. Im gonna stick by my team. The Knicks are not playing well during this stretch either. But their fans are still supporting them. Yes we screwed up tonight but we are the number 5 seed regardless of what happens the rest of the season. Lets just get ready for Orlando. Find another team please.

IlliniBrave

March 22nd, 2011
10:08 pm

Just 17 days to the Braves Opening Day game against the Phils!

And that means 17 days until the Hawks go from being underappreciated to irrelevant in the ATL sports scene. Thank God – cuz I hate this team!!!

Astro Joe

March 22nd, 2011
10:08 pm

It’s Teague Time.

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:09 pm

LD wouldn’t play Teague against Bibby so nobody could see what an utter imbecile he is.

Now we’ve got to play the Sixers, and they have had 3 or 4 days rest.

Do you realize the historic nature of the home beat downs we are suffering? And many are not nearly as bad as they could be.

Two teams of near equal talent, coaching makes the difference.

And don’t blame Sund. ASG overruled him on this one. LD is on ASG.

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
10:09 pm

CJ Watson was breaking us down too..

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
10:09 pm

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
10:09 pm

type in “hawks coach” on google realtime

LMFAOOOO

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Twitter – 7 minutes ago
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LMAO

JeJe

March 22nd, 2011
10:09 pm

HOW DOES A TEAM NOT SHOW UP FOR AN NBA GAME?

Not Sund

March 22nd, 2011
10:09 pm

Man, if my team got it’s a@@ kicked like this night after night, you wouldn’t have to fire me, I’d have the dignity to quit.

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
10:09 pm

Let’s have another team meeting.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
10:10 pm

“The Knicks are not playing well during this stretch either. But their fans are still supporting them. ”

Yeah, because they have two superstars and high hopes for the future — two things the Hawks don’t have.

Is your last name Gearon?

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:10 pm

Knicks not playing well, and getting down by 25+ against good teams are 2 totally different things.

At least the Knicks were up by 8 with a few minutes to go last night.

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
10:10 pm

Joe and Marvin over there dreding their hair on the bench..

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
10:10 pm

Pape Sy should be out there

KevinM

March 22nd, 2011
10:10 pm

Josh Smith not worth alot at this point.
Joe Johnson definitely not getting it done.
I can do what Drew is doing…I can lose by 41 to Chicago..101-62 right now.

So Rick Sund, how do you like your team now?

Hey, its Hilton Armstrong!

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
10:11 pm

lmao what….they bout to grow em out

tom

March 22nd, 2011
10:11 pm

GAME OVER!!!! They should forfeit the rest of the season! Sell the team (who would buy it???) and blow it up. There is no hope for the current state of this franchise.

James

March 22nd, 2011
10:11 pm

“Al Horford strained his hamstring apparently, according to MC’s Twitter.”

As if things couldn’t be any worse for the Hawks, now Al is hurt again. This has just been an awful year to be a Hawks fan. This isn’t the old 13 win season, but it feels worse. Back then, I didn’t really have any expectations for the team. This season, I had decent expectations, and they all came crashing down. I guess it’s my own fault for getting my hopes up.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
10:12 pm

Sautee

March 22nd, 2011
10:12 pm

bigdave,

Here’s a bit from the story of Lucas’ death last October:

“He really liked being the enforcer-type player,” Jack Ramsay, the coach of that Trail Blazers team and now a radio broadcaster for ESPN, told the newspaper The Oregonian on Sunday. “A great rebounder. A great outlet passer. Then he could score on the post, make jump shots on the perimeter. But mostly it was his physical persona that he carried with him that made us a different team.”

His nickname was “The Enforcer”. Enough said. If Al had a tenth of Lucas’ toughness, we’d be in bizness.

KevinM

March 22nd, 2011
10:12 pm

I gotta ask Drew how we’re doing with all our mismatches we present to other teams?

Now we’re down 45…

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
10:13 pm

This might as well be the starting line up

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
10:13 pm

Offensive Liability hits another jumper.

O'Brien

March 22nd, 2011
10:13 pm

With the game not on SportsSouth, we wont get to hear LD’s silly excuses after the game

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
10:13 pm

“The Knicks are not playing well during this stretch either. But their fans are still supporting them. ”

There management is trying to win a championship.

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:13 pm

The Bulls open the 4th on a 9-2 tear. If I were Teague, I might quit also. It may facilitate LD’s firing.

Sund, please fire LD. Please!!!!

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

March 22nd, 2011
10:14 pm

This so embarrassing on national tv. Laughing stocks of the NBA.

hot err

March 22nd, 2011
10:14 pm

Ladies and gentlemen your Atlanta Hawks!

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
10:14 pm

@The Game Has Changed:

We love our team and thats why we complain, as a Fan I expect my team to come into a game with a sound game plan and play the best players to execute that plan, along with playing with heart and laying it on the line every night!!!

This game is just a microcosm(sp) of whats been happening alot lately, this franchise seems to be content with being just in the middle of the pack, i’m sorry I want and demand much more from all my teams in all sports, you can accept this if you want, some of the comments are just having fun in an otherwise unsuccessful season.

To get beatdown like this at home again has to be some kind of record, so bottom line is I LOVE MY HAWKS, but I will not accept mediocore play & coaching!!!!!!

Melvin

March 22nd, 2011
10:14 pm

With all these blowouts, why not let Pape dress so he can get some playing time. My goodness…

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:15 pm

Should’ve fired LD instead of giving up Jordan and the 1st pick.

Doc

March 22nd, 2011
10:16 pm

Josh is a child. JJ is JJ. Marvin is a bust of monumental proportions. JC is a head case. Al and Heinrich are the only ones with half a heart. Blow it up. Sell it for pennies on the dollar. Get Najeh Davenpoop to GM what’s left He’ll do a better job than all the previous GM’s combined. Lets get a ping pong ball after next year and take our chances.

O'Brien

March 22nd, 2011
10:16 pm

•#Hawks assistant Lester Conner in HT arena interview: “We didn’t come tonight ready to play. Why, I don’t know.”

Bulls by 43. Will this be the second 40+ point home loss for the Hawks?

Melvin

March 22nd, 2011
10:16 pm

LD, Sund and ASG need to be gone this summer. No player personnel need to be handle until the coach, GM and Owners are removed….

mykhalc

March 22nd, 2011
10:17 pm

@MC…i hope you got your ‘WTF look’ ready for LD when when he tries to answer your questions about tonite’s game!!!

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:17 pm

Gotta get Jamal hot for the playoffs. This is a joke.

I have not to my remembrance seen a worse Head Coach in any sport ever, college or pro. Can’t happen can it?

Sautee

March 22nd, 2011
10:17 pm

Fella, I’ve had enough. Y’all keep the faith. (yeah, right).

Bird

March 22nd, 2011
10:17 pm

I wonder what Joes response would be if a reporter asked him if he would have taken a lesser deal in order to bring in better pieces to surround him with?

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:18 pm

Sund to ASG – I told you so.

ASG to Sund – Your fired!