Bulls at Atlanta Hawks: Is it really about the intangibles?

When the Hawks started the season hot, J.J. was the one guy who always said he wasn’t impressed because they were beating up on lesser teams.

Now that they are taking regular beat downs from better teams, does he think the Hawks still believe they can get on a roll?

“Definitely,” he said. “We know we can beat any team in the league. It’s just a matter of us bringing our ‘A’ game every night. We can’t play down to our opponents [and] when we play teams on our level or that people think are above us, we have got to take it up two more notches.”

Soon after Hinrich joined the team, he said: “Since I’ve been here we’ve talked about defending and bringing the energy. And when we do that we can be a tough team because of the talent we have and athletes and the shooters. If we can lock down on the defensive end, it will make the game a lot easier for us.”

Now the Hawks are defending better (for the most part) but things haven’t been at all easy because they struggle to score despite the talent and athleticism and shooting hasn’ that Hinrich talked about.

Does he think the Hawks still believe they can be a “tough” team like he said back then?

“I believe that way and I feel like everyone in this room does,” Hinrich said. “We’ve had some bumps, we haven’t played well at times but I think everyone believes if we put our minds to it [we can do it]. That’s kind of what we are trying to focus on these last 12 games: every game going out there and gearing up for the playoffs and play playoff basketball and hopefully be ready for the playoffs.”

J.J. and Hinrich aren’t talking about intangibles, not talent. Ken S. had a nice story the other day on the leadership void in the locker room. It was an issue last season, too, and it’s an issue again with the same mix of guys (now notably minus Bibby’s silly influence since the deadline).

But I still think it’s too simple to blame Atlanta’s struggles on intangible things like a lack of leadership. There are so many tangible, quantifiable and observable issues with this team that it’s no great mystery why they are struggling now that the competition has gotten tougher at the same time the calendar says it’s time for the real teams get serious.

For instance, do the Hawks take too many jump shots because they lack leadership? Or, is it like J.J. says, do they not work the post and drive to the basket for scores or fouls because they just aren’t built that way? Remember, the Hawks have been a jump-shooting team all season but L.D. didn’t really start harping on that until the jump shots stopped falling (and, in fact, he’s pretty much encouraged them in Smoove’s case).

Similarly, does the lack of leadership prevent the Hawks from getting back to defend in transition? Or is it just that they aren’t good at it because all those missed shots from a jump-shooting team, combined with no consistent rebounding outside of Smoove and Al, leading to easy chances on the break for their opponents?

All of this is not to say the Hawks don’t sometimes give in too easily when things get tough. But I think they give in because they realize they aren’t good enough to do what’s necessary to win when Plan A doesn’t work. The Hawks are a pretty good team. They could try harder, be tougher, show more heart or whatever and I still don’t think they can overcome their shortcomings to become a very good or great team.

But that’s somewhat speculative on my part, and I understand the frustration of fans who believe the Hawks could be much better if they had more leadership, heart, toughness, etc. And it would be a nice change of pace to see the Hawks at least try to consistently minimize their weaknesses, exploit their strengths, use all of their bona fide rotation players in roles suited for them and see what happens.

Time is running our for the Hawks to figure it out but they insist they still can do it.

“I still think there’s a belief in that,” L.D. said. “Everybody is aware we haven’t had a great March but we are still in position with 12 games left. It’s just a matter of getting on a roll. There are some teams that have struggled in the East and some still struggling. Chicago is the one team that has been the most consistent. Everyone else has had ups and downs.

“I still think it’s wide open. I really hope that our guys still believe they can get on a roll and anything can happen.”

The Hawks can start against the Bulls.

“I think we are still a confident group,” Al said. “Tonight is a big game.”

Damien has an interesting perspective on all of this. I asked him if he’s ever played on a team that struggled and then got it together in the final month and made a run. Soon after the question was out of my mouth I realized he hasn’t been on a good team since he was a rookie in Seattle.

Now he’s on a team that’s struggling but that he still thinks has a shot.

“That’s why, to me, it was never really a big panic or as big of a deal as it seemed,” he said. “Because, I’m like, everyone is panicking around here and I know we lost a couple games we should have won and didn’t play as well as we should have but at the end of the day we are still the fifth seed. So to me I am still excited.

“I think our effort against Miami, it was almost as if we packed in the season it looked like. Looking back, I can understand why the panic has set in for everybody, or it seemed like it. They know we are a better team than this. But at the end of day I am still excited because I have a chance to get in the playoffs and once you get there the seeds and the records go out the window. It’s about execution and adjustments. We will see what happens when we get there.”

Game notes

  • L.D. is using the Hinrich, J.J., Marvin, Smoove, Al lineup tonight: “I like the size that it gives us. It gives us another shooter in Marvin at the three spot, particularly when teams are double-teaming us. It’s our regular lineup with an upgrade at the point position. It gives us a little more flexibility to go with our regular rotations.”
  • L.D on the tough closing slate: “The schedule is what it is. We take them one at a time. We are in a position where we can control our own destiny. We are playing at home against good teams. We should feel good about that.”
  • Hinrich on the same topic: “Since I’ve been here our schedule has been brutal. It is what it is. It’s the NBA; there are no nights off. We just need to focus on ourselves and bring a tough mindset every night and hang together as a group and we will be all right.”
  • After the Hawks held down Rose in the first meeting, he went off in the second half in Chicago (aided by Hinrich’s foul trouble). Rose was 8 of 8 on free throws after halftime, 14 of 15 for the game. “We have to keep Rose off the free-throw line as much as we can,” Drew said.
  • The Bulls are a middling offensive team but they crushed Sacto last night. Deng was the only starter to play more than 28 minutes. The Bulls are 13-5 in the second night of back-to-back.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

845 comments Add your comment

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:51 pm

STINKfest‎ Who is this cat coaching the Hawks?
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lmao

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
9:52 pm

mdotbrown‎ If the Hawks lose by 40, everyone should get free lap dances. #MagicCity
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Harpie

March 22nd, 2011
9:53 pm

You’ve heard the phrase, ” He who defends himself has a fool for a lawyer.” ? Well, ” The team led by Larry Drew has a fool for a coach.” ! Drew is a complete IDIOT. He has ruined this team…

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:53 pm

speed of Jeff.. thats a dunk w/ Kirk/Jamal getting back. too bad we couldnt secure the rebound.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
9:53 pm

CoreyIn2016‎ Every Hawks fan in Phillips Arena should get a refund after tonight’s performance…
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That’s actually a good idea. People should start chanting “We Want Refunds”. Maybe I’ll do that the next time I’m at a Hawks blowout (I have tickets to the game vs. the Magic next week).

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:53 pm

Naw I rather get lap dance from MONIQUE MINOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rusty

March 22nd, 2011
9:54 pm

Can anyone tell me why LDFu refuses to play JT

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:54 pm

man these possessions look awful

Loserville USA

March 22nd, 2011
9:54 pm

Separated at birth…..LARRY DREW and EDDIE HAAS

ryan

March 22nd, 2011
9:54 pm

I just think this team is not buying into Larry Drew we made a mistake by not giving more to Avery Johnson the Hawks i believe played harder when Woodson was coach .

Sautee

March 22nd, 2011
9:54 pm

bigdave,

If Al wants to be a PF, we need him to be Maurice Lucas, not Boris Diaw.

Booo!

March 22nd, 2011
9:55 pm

Hawks only have 6 turnovers and are shooting 48%. Yet they’re losing by 30. Something is not right

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:55 pm

Rose not nearly as aggressive w/ Teague on him..

Larry Drew needs his @ss beat.

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:55 pm

mgm

March 22nd, 2011
9:55 pm

This team is not this bad. This team has no leadership. No coaching. Its back to purgatory. We are good enough to barely make the playoffs and not make the second round. Strapped with JJ contract there is no hope for several years. In the NBA the worst thing is to be mid of the pack. No good draft picks and not good enough in the playoffs. When the thrashers leave town maybe the hawks will go too.

ignition

March 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm

This game is over… Larry Drew spent 18 yrs as an assistant and this is the best he can do… Terrible.
He sucks..

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm

Hawks down 36 in the 3rd??????????????????????What????????????????????

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm

Well at least the hawks have closed the floodgates a little with Teague in. Chicago was getting anything they want before.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm

“Hawks only have 6 turnovers and are shooting 48%. Yet they’re losing by 30. Something is not right”

The 63% shooting for the Bulls is not right.

Andy

March 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm

Horford and Teague look like they are the only ones even trying at this point. Joe is just being his typical selfish self, and Josh doesn’t even care anymore. As for Hinrich, well, he’s just not a factor at all in this game, honestly.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm

Booo!

March 22nd, 2011
9:57 pm

@bigdave

Drew is turrible….just plain turrible

MsDee

March 22nd, 2011
9:58 pm

If the display of this year, on our home court, doesnt get the ASG to make some SERIOUS PLAYERS CHANGES next season, they must really dont want a team in the city of Atlanta!! Cause as we all know, THE HAWKS HAS NO HOME COURT ADVANTAGE ANYWHERE!! The ASG is the reason for this cause every team in the East has made great changes while we stood pat with this SAD group!!

Harpie

March 22nd, 2011
9:58 pm

Amen, bigdave…

rusty

March 22nd, 2011
9:59 pm

I said before on the blog when the hawks are losing by 30&that idiot put jt in the game,he should bitch slap & refuse to play. No team in the NBA would think bad of him & he would be playing some where else next year. Kh is really not great

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:59 pm

are we really about to lose by 40?

pinoy hawk

March 22nd, 2011
9:59 pm

Should have traded jamal instead of bibby..,. smdh…

James

March 22nd, 2011
9:59 pm

We are down by 38 points now and we have a game tomorrow (not that it really matters much with the way things are going), so why are the starters still in the game? Does L.D. just want us to make up some ground in garbage time so that this loss looks less embarrassing?

Aaron

March 22nd, 2011
9:59 pm

Easiest money ever! The Bulls were favored by only 4 tonight. Easy $100 in my pocket!

Astro Joe

March 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm

Josh has taken more jumpers than he has grabbed rebounds. SMDH.

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm

Sautee..

Maurice Lucas before my time.. but if he’s the reciprocal of Boris..

i remember 2 years ago someone was trying to tell me that the progression of Al was comparable to LaMarcus Aldridge. LA has taken off legitimately. game is inside and out now. he’s a legit all star.

co-sign.

ignition

March 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm

No Jordan Crawford … smh Rick Sund Kill YOURSELF !!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm

Astro Joe

March 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm

Cool, the human giraffe can show that he is as good as our PG of the future.

rusty

March 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm

How could that idiot start the same lineup in the second half

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm

*Maurice Lucas before my time.. but if he’s the reciprocal of Boris.. co sign.

2 FOR JOHN DREW

March 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm

This is so sad !!!!!!

SteveW

March 22nd, 2011
10:01 pm

So hows that getting Jamal on track working out for you LD?

How’s that sittin’ Jeff Teague going, huh LD?

What an idiot!

STRETCH

March 22nd, 2011
10:02 pm

55 points with 2 min left in the 3rd…are you kidding me?????????? Im really happy they are getting BEAT DOWN!!!!!!

Drew…GONE!
Sund….GONE!
JJ…..GONE!
JS….SHOULD HAVE BEEN GONE LAST YEAR!!!!

MAN IM SO HAPPY THEY ARE GETTING MURDERED…AND ON NATIONAL TV SO THEY ALL CAN BE EXPOSED FOR THE FAKES THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And people wonder why the fans dont support them, cause they ARE TIRED OF ROOTING FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!! Folks fail to understand that these COUNTRY HICKS and IGNORANT NEGROS are taught to follow the leader, all this since slavery days. So whenever a northern or western team comes in, (anybody with a new horse n carriage) they go bonkers!

Its just a matter of years before the league moves this team OUT OF ATLANTA. This has got to be the WORST FAN BASE I HAVE EVER SEEN!

Booo!

March 22nd, 2011
10:02 pm

@ Poop,

It’s so bad that i’m reminising about Woodys switching Defense at this point smh!

Astro Joe

March 22nd, 2011
10:02 pm

Where’s Pape Sy? Maybe we can give Ty Hill and Lester Connor some time too.

MsDee

March 22nd, 2011
10:02 pm

Dr J has been to every or nearly every Hawks game..sure hope he is interested in taking over the ownership to the Hawks!!

Gerald

March 22nd, 2011
10:02 pm

People should start wearing Fire Drew t-shirts to the games from now on. The fans need to take a stand and say that they are not going to pay for this garbage. Wear the shirts to one or two games, and if nothing changes, just stop going to the games and stop wasting your money.

JeJe

March 22nd, 2011
10:02 pm

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kaminari

March 22nd, 2011
10:03 pm

Look at a winning coach. The Bulls up by 37 and there coach is still emotionally in it, arguing calls.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
10:03 pm

Drew looks like he’s about to cry

JeJe

March 22nd, 2011
10:03 pm

NO TECHNICAL FOULS
NO HARD FOULS
NO HEART
NO COACH
NO ACCOUNTABILITY

O'Brien

March 22nd, 2011
10:03 pm

Jamal has to be upset. His value was at its peak, and Hawks did not resign him, and they did not trade him.

Now, his numbers are down, and with the new CBA coming, his new salary is more than likely down.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
10:04 pm

djfsatl‎ Just turned on the Hawks game……..and just turned it off.
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Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
10:04 pm