Bulls at Atlanta Hawks: Is it really about the intangibles?

When the Hawks started the season hot, J.J. was the one guy who always said he wasn’t impressed because they were beating up on lesser teams.

Now that they are taking regular beat downs from better teams, does he think the Hawks still believe they can get on a roll?

“Definitely,” he said. “We know we can beat any team in the league. It’s just a matter of us bringing our ‘A’ game every night. We can’t play down to our opponents [and] when we play teams on our level or that people think are above us, we have got to take it up two more notches.”

Soon after Hinrich joined the team, he said: “Since I’ve been here we’ve talked about defending and bringing the energy. And when we do that we can be a tough team because of the talent we have and athletes and the shooters. If we can lock down on the defensive end, it will make the game a lot easier for us.”

Now the Hawks are defending better (for the most part) but things haven’t been at all easy because they struggle to score despite the talent and athleticism and shooting hasn’ that Hinrich talked about.

Does he think the Hawks still believe they can be a “tough” team like he said back then?

“I believe that way and I feel like everyone in this room does,” Hinrich said. “We’ve had some bumps, we haven’t played well at times but I think everyone believes if we put our minds to it [we can do it]. That’s kind of what we are trying to focus on these last 12 games: every game going out there and gearing up for the playoffs and play playoff basketball and hopefully be ready for the playoffs.”

J.J. and Hinrich aren’t talking about intangibles, not talent. Ken S. had a nice story the other day on the leadership void in the locker room. It was an issue last season, too, and it’s an issue again with the same mix of guys (now notably minus Bibby’s silly influence since the deadline).

But I still think it’s too simple to blame Atlanta’s struggles on intangible things like a lack of leadership. There are so many tangible, quantifiable and observable issues with this team that it’s no great mystery why they are struggling now that the competition has gotten tougher at the same time the calendar says it’s time for the real teams get serious.

For instance, do the Hawks take too many jump shots because they lack leadership? Or, is it like J.J. says, do they not work the post and drive to the basket for scores or fouls because they just aren’t built that way? Remember, the Hawks have been a jump-shooting team all season but L.D. didn’t really start harping on that until the jump shots stopped falling (and, in fact, he’s pretty much encouraged them in Smoove’s case).

Similarly, does the lack of leadership prevent the Hawks from getting back to defend in transition? Or is it just that they aren’t good at it because all those missed shots from a jump-shooting team, combined with no consistent rebounding outside of Smoove and Al, leading to easy chances on the break for their opponents?

All of this is not to say the Hawks don’t sometimes give in too easily when things get tough. But I think they give in because they realize they aren’t good enough to do what’s necessary to win when Plan A doesn’t work. The Hawks are a pretty good team. They could try harder, be tougher, show more heart or whatever and I still don’t think they can overcome their shortcomings to become a very good or great team.

But that’s somewhat speculative on my part, and I understand the frustration of fans who believe the Hawks could be much better if they had more leadership, heart, toughness, etc. And it would be a nice change of pace to see the Hawks at least try to consistently minimize their weaknesses, exploit their strengths, use all of their bona fide rotation players in roles suited for them and see what happens.

Time is running our for the Hawks to figure it out but they insist they still can do it.

“I still think there’s a belief in that,” L.D. said. “Everybody is aware we haven’t had a great March but we are still in position with 12 games left. It’s just a matter of getting on a roll. There are some teams that have struggled in the East and some still struggling. Chicago is the one team that has been the most consistent. Everyone else has had ups and downs.

“I still think it’s wide open. I really hope that our guys still believe they can get on a roll and anything can happen.”

The Hawks can start against the Bulls.

“I think we are still a confident group,” Al said. “Tonight is a big game.”

Damien has an interesting perspective on all of this. I asked him if he’s ever played on a team that struggled and then got it together in the final month and made a run. Soon after the question was out of my mouth I realized he hasn’t been on a good team since he was a rookie in Seattle.

Now he’s on a team that’s struggling but that he still thinks has a shot.

“That’s why, to me, it was never really a big panic or as big of a deal as it seemed,” he said. “Because, I’m like, everyone is panicking around here and I know we lost a couple games we should have won and didn’t play as well as we should have but at the end of the day we are still the fifth seed. So to me I am still excited.

“I think our effort against Miami, it was almost as if we packed in the season it looked like. Looking back, I can understand why the panic has set in for everybody, or it seemed like it. They know we are a better team than this. But at the end of day I am still excited because I have a chance to get in the playoffs and once you get there the seeds and the records go out the window. It’s about execution and adjustments. We will see what happens when we get there.”

Game notes

  • L.D. is using the Hinrich, J.J., Marvin, Smoove, Al lineup tonight: “I like the size that it gives us. It gives us another shooter in Marvin at the three spot, particularly when teams are double-teaming us. It’s our regular lineup with an upgrade at the point position. It gives us a little more flexibility to go with our regular rotations.”
  • L.D on the tough closing slate: “The schedule is what it is. We take them one at a time. We are in a position where we can control our own destiny. We are playing at home against good teams. We should feel good about that.”
  • Hinrich on the same topic: “Since I’ve been here our schedule has been brutal. It is what it is. It’s the NBA; there are no nights off. We just need to focus on ourselves and bring a tough mindset every night and hang together as a group and we will be all right.”
  • After the Hawks held down Rose in the first meeting, he went off in the second half in Chicago (aided by Hinrich’s foul trouble). Rose was 8 of 8 on free throws after halftime, 14 of 15 for the game. “We have to keep Rose off the free-throw line as much as we can,” Drew said.
  • The Bulls are a middling offensive team but they crushed Sacto last night. Deng was the only starter to play more than 28 minutes. The Bulls are 13-5 in the second night of back-to-back.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

845 comments Add your comment

Booo!

March 22nd, 2011
9:40 pm

lIKE I SAID, jEFF tEAGUE IS OUR STARTING POINT GUARD!!!

6-1 when Jeff Teague Starts

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:40 pm

acting job? what .. ?

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:40 pm

Time to start jump ship………… The Thunder looks interesting???????????????

mykhalc

March 22nd, 2011
9:40 pm

@bigdave…man my thoughts about the Czar too!!LOL

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:40 pm

LMAO@Larry Drew…..#$#a look like he just snort a line during the break

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:41 pm

43 wins maybe?????????? Not…………………………..

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:41 pm

why my dude LD was lookin like that on the cam shot they just showed

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:41 pm

why my dude LD was lookin like that on the cam shot they just showed

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:41 pm

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
9:41 pm

If i was Teague when I get into this game in the 4th qtr I would take every shot, screw passing!!

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:41 pm

Drew having mercy on us and bringing in Jeff..

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm

at this point……I just want to see Zaza in the game and hopefully a fight or somethin breaks out

Melvin

March 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm

Hawks down by 30pts and now Drew wants to put Jeff in the game…

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm

What is wrong with Drew????????????????????????????????

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm

Jeff Teague checks in having sat for the first 29 minutes of the contest.

This means the most minutes he can play in this one is 19.

In other words, the Hawks are now 3-2 when he plays 20 minutes and 3-7 when he doesn’t.

Teague for MVP. Free Jeff Teague.

tremaine

March 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm

TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Loserville USA

March 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm

This is so embarrassing. Players don’t have ANY pride. At 40-31 (updated record) just shows how many bad teams there are.

NBA = unwatchable.

Ole Hawk's Fan

March 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm

TNT Crew at half time said “Thie Is A BEAT DOWN’!” Webber abd Barry were right no Da Money. LD start JC1 at PG beginning the Third Quarter…………………..LD needs to go see Da Wizard and Get a Heart and Brains! This gane brings back thoughts of The Orlando Beat Down in Last Year’s Playoffs. Now the as$#@% put Teague in.

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:43 pm

Jeff giving Rose no room.

cp

March 22nd, 2011
9:43 pm

smh now he puts TEAGUE IN

Astro Joe

March 22nd, 2011
9:43 pm

The svaior has arrived, JT0=Cinderfella.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
9:44 pm

OH WELL WHAT DO YOU KNOW TEAGUE SETS UP AL ON THE PICK AND POP FOR AN OPEN JUMPER

WHAT AN OFFENSIVE LIABILITY

Put Me In Coach

March 22nd, 2011
9:44 pm

Wow a pass for an assist by a PG

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:44 pm

This is how the Hawks playoffs will look……………..

Andy

March 22nd, 2011
9:45 pm

Great time to bring in Teague. It has to be a blowout for Teague to “earn” minutes. If I were Teague, I’d slap Drew in the face and try to get a suspension. I’d do whatever it took to get traded. If I were Horford, I would have demanded a trade before the deadline also.

northcyde

March 22nd, 2011
9:45 pm

Anybody want to toot Hinrich’s horn tonight?

LOL @ me being way off. Hinrich is a mediocre PG. He’s not a top 10 or 15 talent at the position. He’s solid on most nights. But he’s getting his azz handed to him tonight.

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:45 pm

The Nets have more heart than these scrubs……………………….

ryan

March 22nd, 2011
9:45 pm

Its amazing few weeks ago every one was on the Horford ban wagon now you want to trade him give me a break problem is Larry Drew i think Rose will be the MVP this year i am sick of hearing LeBron .

ML

March 22nd, 2011
9:45 pm

At least the Atlanta Dream made us proud. I can’t wait until the WNBA season starts up. Heck, the Dream would embarrass these Hawks on national TV also.

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:46 pm

savior.. ummm, not quite..

but clearly we had on the floor, wasnt getting the job done.

Sautee

March 22nd, 2011
9:46 pm

bigdave,

“@ some point you want him decking someone.”

Don’t we wish! I’m afraid Al doesn’t have it in him.

Booo!

March 22nd, 2011
9:46 pm

Larry Drew is a LIAR!!! Jeff Teague is 6′2 with a 6′7 wingspan! Teague has no size disadvantage against ANY point guard! He’s just as big if not bigger than Bibby! I’m tired of these lame azz excuses people! He’s our Starting PG and you know it!

NUNNA!!!

March 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm

Why is Drew limiting Teagues minutes for Jamaal just when the man is showing u what he can do?

Why not Joe,or Marvin?
Play with a 3 guard lineup.
But don’t limit your spark

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm

The Heimlich Maneuver is getting torched tonight??? Good Trade aye Sund!!!!!!!!!

Astro Joe

March 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm

Bring in Hilton Armstrong… Hawks Center of the Future. Player development time for everyone.

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:48 pm

Boo..

he’s not slight @ all..

but he likes the taller, frail Jamal.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 22nd, 2011
9:48 pm

Twitter is hilarious right now. S/O to Mac-Town for the tip.

northcyde

March 22nd, 2011
9:48 pm

I don’t have faith in Teague . . but you have to try just about anything now.

Start the kid and let the chips fall where they may. If it works out, that’ll be great. If not, oh well . . we were sucking anyway.

kevkat

March 22nd, 2011
9:48 pm

Bring back Bibby!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:48 pm

look @ that shid. p’s me off .. great d Jeff.

soldierman

March 22nd, 2011
9:49 pm

well what do u know that guy 0 is pretty good. why doesnt he get any playing time?

Andy

March 22nd, 2011
9:49 pm

“The Nets have more heart than these scrubs……………………….”

Some of you people just don’t get it. It’s not a lack of heart, it’s poor coaching and a lack of execution. When you just fire up a bunch of bad jump shots after isolation plays and give your opponents easy fast break opportunities, what do you expect to happen?

And, for the record, the Nets are not a bad team because they don’t have heart. They have plenty of heart and a very good coach. They’re a bad team because they just don’t have the talent to compete with most teams.

Astro Joe

March 22nd, 2011
9:49 pm

Hawks aren’t even going for the loose ball.

Booo!

March 22nd, 2011
9:49 pm

6-1 when Jeff teage starts!

My pops used to call me the “master of the obvious” for pointing out the OBVIOUS. WELL DAMMIT IM RIGHT AGAIN!

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:49 pm

RESIGN BIBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

slimjr

March 22nd, 2011
9:50 pm

bigdave

March 22nd, 2011
9:50 pm

those are dropping against Kirk, cause he’s scared of the blow by. good contest Jeff.

soldierman

March 22nd, 2011
9:51 pm

goodnight ladies and gents my eyes cant take much more of this.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 22nd, 2011
9:51 pm

yeah@Najeh

It used to make me mad….but the Hawks are living up to the insults now.