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Greetings, all
Hope you’re well. Sorry I couldn’t blog Sunday night. Georgia State is introducing its new coach today (Monday), which I found out last night and so I had to start digging around to find out who it was, right about the time I was going to sit down to blog.
This will be on the brief side, so my apologies again.
- Not sure how much to take from the game. It’s a win, which is the important thing, but a) it’s only one win; b) it was against Detroit. Still, beats the alternative. The Hawks played with a bit more energy. Kirk Hinrich: “We talked about it as a team. We’re aware of it and there’s going to be nights that don’t go our way out there. We have to stick together, rely on each other and just play through it.”
- I counted 40 shots from 16 feet or more, out of 70. The Hawks started out shooting the ball well – they made seven of their first nine from 16 feet and out, and then 11 of the final 31. Off the top of my head, I’m not sure how this compares with a typical game, but it makes me wonder a little if the biggest difference in the game (opponent aside), or at least one of the biggest differences, was that the shots that they took went in after not going in against Miami, Denver, etc.
That said, I did think they were more intentional about running and to some degree played more physically on defense, although the Pistons still shot 50 percent from the field.
- The Jeff Teague update – 11th DNP. Larry Drew’s explanation – he didn’t want to start him because Tracy McGrady was a matchup problem, as well as Richard Hamilton. He said the starting unit got into a flow so he didn’t want to disrupt it. Also, he said he wanted to try to give Jamal Crawford more minutes than he would have otherwise to try to get him going before the playoffs start.
“I’m going to have to get him going and I’ve got to make sure he’s feeling good about himself as we move down the stretch,” Drew said. “He’s a guy we’re going to need down the stretch.”
- Chicago and Philadelphia ahead. Those games, I think we can agree, will be more telling than Sunday.
“We have to mirror this game but play with a little bit more energy and try to get the win against Chicago,” Josh Smith said.
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vava74
March 22nd, 2011
9:38 am
One more thing:
Horford and Hinrich could be a demolishing pick ‘n roll and pick ‘n pop duo.
We had a small sample of that – finally – against the Pistons and honestly I would go with this play at least 7 out of 10 possessions to close games.
JeJe
March 22nd, 2011
9:40 am
It’s pathetic people think LD needs more time, that it’s only his first year. He’s been with the team forever
Awful coach who is not vocal at all, who is timid, and who holds no one accountable
JeJe
March 22nd, 2011
9:42 am
By the numbers
Through Sunday’s games, the Hawks ranked second to last in the NBA in second-chance points with 11.3 per game, a byproduct of ranking 26th in the league in offensive rebounds per game (9.5). Only Boston averages fewer second-chance points, at 9.9. The Hawks give up 12.7 second-chance points per game. They were also last in the league in drawing personal fouls from the opposition, 18.6 per game. They commit 18.9 per game, third fewest in the league.
^^This pretty much means no one crashes the glass and all this team does is take jumpshots.
Good job, LD. This is after EVERY SINGLE pre-game interview you talk about how we need to attack the basket. How do you make the same assertions every game yet no one follows your “plan?”
JeJe
March 22nd, 2011
9:46 am
“The only thing you can point at him have been the excessive numbers of TOs, however, that has been a result of two cumulative factors: initial lack of knowledge of our offense and him trying to do too many things and too hard to make our zombies wake up from their slumber.”
Exactly
vava74
March 22nd, 2011
10:02 am
LD is way over his head and is a complete disaster.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt when he was hired since he always said the right things.
The problem is that he is a spineless wimp who is unable to back his own words.
ICECOLD
March 22nd, 2011
10:24 am
@clancy
March 21st, 2011
8:21 pm
I can’t take anyone seriously who wants Hilton Armstrong in the starting lineup.
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Why not start Hilton…. Collins doesn’t rebound, block shots, or score. or really play that good of defense, he just a big that can be out their to absorb other bigs… Zaza cant start, he does too much dumb stuff and he can not guard bigs, he is the mike Bibby of centers… you know Larry drew is not going to start Etan Thomas… Josh Powell… No… so who else are you going to start
Hilton Armstrong…
-He can guard bigs,
-he can score a little bit better then any other bigs on our team
-of course he will struggle with Dwight Howard just like anybody else.. but he is an aggressive player who has the capability of playing hard.
-He is actually a center and not a power forward.. So he will stay down low..
-he is athletic so he wont be the last one up the court like Collins ( because Collins be running full speed and still be last up the court!!! )
his numbers might just be 8 points, 9 rebounds, and 2 blocks a game… but with this team getting 9 more rebounds a game then usual… that is a big boost…
SO TELL ME WHY HE SHOULDN’T START AT CENTER?
JeJe
March 22nd, 2011
10:27 am
Hilton averages 8, 9, and 2 a game?
ICECOLD
March 22nd, 2011
10:32 am
Also.. a new offense.. especially going from a isolation offense into a motion offense.. your team is going to shoot a lot of jump shots.. players production are going to go down.. and be more evenly spreaded. you also see people strengths and weaknesses in a motion offense… Some games are going to be lost badly.. and people are going to think its terrible coaching.. A lot of the players on this roster has had the same isolation mindset coach their whole nba career, bad habbits are hard to break.. maybe they will get better every year just like they did under Woody.. because he started with 17 wins and ended with 53 wins.. Maybe Larry Drew will start with 47 wins and end with 68 wins… You never know.. name a team thats good that doesnt have either a star center, or a star point guard… you cant!! if you wanna say Miami… Lebron and D Wade are top 5 in the league.. and they still struggle at times.. this team, until they decide to give teague the keys to this team, or get a real center… this team is not going to win a championship… they have been doing good to get to the playoffs with out either, but dont expect rings !!!
Just saying
vava74
March 22nd, 2011
10:42 am
ICECOLD,
Hilton is known to be an underachieving career scub.
I like his vitals (physical skills) but his hands are known to be the worse in the NBA and he is known to be lazy.
JeJe
March 22nd, 2011
11:04 am
It is 11:05 AM.
FIRE LD
JeJe
March 22nd, 2011
11:09 am
FIRE RICK SUND
JeJe
March 22nd, 2011
11:10 am
Fire JeJe
JeJe
March 22nd, 2011
11:20 am
We play Boston Orlando Houston and San Antonio 4 games in a row
FIRE LD
Rod from College Park
March 22nd, 2011
11:29 am
vava74,
“Hinrich is an excellent player (B++) and has produced very good numbers playing with this dysfunctional group of nincompoops.”
Boy, some of your post make me think you are a straight up racist. With your (Jamal) streetball references and Tracy MCGrady (loser) references, and other slick comments. Now Hinrich is excellent (LOL). He’s average at best, good shooter and defender that’s it. No handles, mechanical, has not been able to run the point good enough for the last two teams he’s played for, not to draft a point guard, and I sure don’t see this tremendous basketball IQ I keep hearing about. He has been a backup point guard in this league for the last two years for a reason. He’s slow and has no explosion. Very fundamental, but excellent is not a word I would use to describe him. Neither would the Bulls, or the Wizards use that description either. I hope it’s not as simple as black and white with you. He sure doesn’t look like his high basketball IQ is helping him run this magical offense that no one else in the NBA knows anything about. All the Hawks problems will come to light in the playoffs when we will all see what we have seen the last 2 years. When teams play tighter defense in the playoffs, WE CAN’T SCORE. That’s why LD puts Jamal in the game so much, because the guy (Joe Johnson), who is supposed to be our go to guy, can’t score anymore. I ask you, and anyone else on this blog this question. In the playoffs, when teams double Joe, and deny Al from shooting that wide open 15 footer, who else on this team, has the ability to score? I already know your answer, Kirk Hinrich (LOL).
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
11:40 am
Icecold – Hilton also is not as big as Collins. Centers like Perkins, Shaq, Bogut, and Dwight would eat him alive. Collins is just bigger than Hilton, and one of the few things Collins gives us is body on body D against the larger centers in the League.
And icecold, LD wasn’t brought in to take the team back, but to take the team forward. We are in win now mode, remember? That’s why we trade good young players like JC2, who we wouldn’t play, trade 1st picks, that keep getting better and better the worse we play (now down to the 21st pick, it was 24 when we made the deal with the Wiz’s), and won’t play Teague.
And a depending on your definition of star and good, teams that are good without a star center or pg are:
Denver – I wouldn’t qualify Ty or Nene as a star, and I would say the Nuggets are good..
Grizzlies – I wouldn’t qualify Conley or Marc Gasol as a star, but the Grizzlies are good this year.
The Sixers – No center to speak of really (I like Hawes and Speights, but really?), and I wouldn’t classify JRue as a star, and they’re good.
Even Dallas – Tyson and Haywood are not stars, and Kidd used to be, but he’s lost a step or two. So you could possibly include Dallas in this mix.
Portland doesn’t have a star center or pg, but they’re good.
And some teams have star, or at least very good pg’s and c’s, yet they’re not good, like:
The LA Clippers – Mo’ and Bledsoe are really good, and so is Kaman and Jordan, but the Clips stink
The Bucks have Jennings and Bogut, but they stink
New Jersey had Devin Harris and Brook Lopez, now Deron and Brook, but they stink
Toronto has Bargnani and Calderon, but they stink
The Wizards have Wall and McGee, but they stink
And the Magic have the best center in the league with Dwight and 3 very good pg’s in Jameer, Arenas, and Duhon, yet they’re 4th in the East.
Your logic just doesn’t hold up icecold.
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
11:44 am
On another web site, it said the Hawks turned down Kris Kaman for Marvin Williams earlier this season. Wow? I wonder if that’s really true.
darrell starks
March 22nd, 2011
11:46 am
vava74 Hilton is not a scrub, he is a solid player on defense end of the court, but for some reason he have been delt a bad hand because of the coaching he have played for who can’t coach, you tell me hilton at 6′11 can’t play center and defend and rebound in the paint, then your missing somthing because hilton is a guy who have the quickness and and athleticism who can compete at center if under the right coach.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
March 22nd, 2011
11:49 am
IF YOU STARTE HILTON AT CENTER AND HORFORD TO POWERFORD I GUARANTEE THE HAWKS WILL NOT BE RANK 26 IN REBOUNDING.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
11:50 am
Rod – I would agree, Kirk Hinrich and excellent are not the same. But Kirk is very good, probably a top 20 PG because of his defense, and his mid-range game. But no handles. Smart BB IQ however.
But his deficiencies are why we need Teague to play. Teague, good D, handles, and fast as almost anybody in the League. They make a great 48 mpg tandem
And Rod, I know your point about Jamal. But northcydes good post about Jamal, he’s really not that good of a scorer – 41% career shooting? Come on. I also understand LD’s point of playing him, but with his defensive liabilities, it’s just not working.
Our best combo according to the stats Northcyde pulled up is Teague with the starters. I wonder how that would close out games? Maybe LD should give that a try. Or even Teague, Jamal, JJ, Josh, and Al sometimes.
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
11:53 am
Hilton is an athletic 6-11 235 tweener. Not good enough moves and hands to be a PF. Not enough beef to play C consistently. And he doesn’t work out enough, so he gets pushed around in the post. But he does play hard and can leap.
He’s close to a scrub however. He may be slightly above Josh Powell territory.
Now I don’t think Etan is a scrub, but LD won’t play him enough for us to ever know.
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
11:57 am
About Nene not being a star in a previous post – I can’t consider any Center who hasn’t average 7 boards a game, or a block a game a star, sorry. And he’s not that good of a scorer either compared to your Bargnani’s and Lopez’s of the world.
But would I like the Hawks to have him? Yes, of course. But I wouldn’t trade Al for him. Al’s younger and better, plain and simple.
Now Al for Nene and Ty or Felton, it’s getting tempting.
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
11:58 am
“Averaged” it should read in my last post
clancy
March 22nd, 2011
11:59 am
The argument to start Hilton seems to be that everyone else sucks and we don’t know that he sucks (yet). I’ve watched him (not) play all season with Washington before coming here. He’s a nice guy. He’s a good bench guy. He has no more reason starting than the other nice guys hanging out on the bench that everyone is so fed up with. Even if he is the best possible choice to start at C for the Hawks, it only says the Hawks have nothing to start there. Suggesting that putting him in the starting lineup shores up anything is beyond humorous to me.
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
12:03 pm
Now could I see Hilton being a decent backup for Josh? Yes. 3 to 5 minutes spurts of energy giving Josh a breather would be a good role for him.
darrell starks
March 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm
SteveW STARTING JOSH, HORFORD IN THE FRONT COURT IS ENOUGH, 4years playing together in the post is not going 2 cut it, and it shows come playoff time when every thing is half court the hawks get punish in the paint, look i no COLLINS, HILTON, ZAZA ARE NOT THE BEST IN THE WORLD AT CENTER, but size do matter and it make’s a different on defense, JOSH AND HORFORD IS JUST 2 SMALL.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
March 22nd, 2011
12:13 pm
THE HAWKS ARE RANK 26 REBOUNDING OUT OF 30 TEAM, so how can any one argue that statistics don’t lie.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
vava74
March 22nd, 2011
12:17 pm
Rod,
Your baskeball knowledge – namely, the lack of – was already exposed for a long time for me.
You have issues and biased. I don’t, I am 100% sane and fair on my assessment of people. I would love that Jamal found the fountain of wisdom and started to play bball as he could, but the fact is that he doesn’t.
The same goes for J-Smoove who wastes his talent due to his incapacity to focus and play hard and the right way all the time (you can go and check on the Hawks’ Nest my play by play summary of the first 20 minutes of the game against MIA if you don’t agree with me).
On McGrady:
This LOSER has recently said, in reply to Jeff van Gundy’s statement that McGrady could have been much better if he had not relied so much on his immense talent and worked in his game and practiced harder (like MJ and Kobe ALWAYS DID/DOES), that he did not agree that he should have practiced more/hard and did not believe that practicing mattered.
Do you need me to argue more that McGrady is a LOSER? Do I need to present you with more facts?
Read this: http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/03/tracy-mcgrady-admits-he-didnt-practice-hard/
If you show this to MJ and Kobe and ask them – privately – their opinion, they will certainly say that McGrady underachieved due to his own miss conception of what it takes to be a winner.
Do you happen to know why MJ had such a lousy last season with the Wizards (riddled with nagging injuries – tendinitis)?
Because he was such a freak for preparation that he over trained in the summer and punished his body beyond the limits of his age.
Kobe, after the loss in MIA, went to practice at midnight because he was frustrated with himself.
Winners do this. Winners know that talent alone is not enough. You need to work hard to take the next step.
And on Hinrich, you are dead wrong. Both the Bulls and Wiz had the opportunity to draft Grade A+ talent PGs, so your argument is worthless.
For instance, Thibodeau said this about him:
“Kirk Hinrich, I’ve always admired his game because of his versatility and great competitive spirit,” Thibodeau said at his introductory news conference before the impending trade. “He has the ability to play both guard positions and defend three positions. In our (2009) playoff series, he guarded Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo. He has great versatility. You can play him with Derrick (Rose) or even at small forward. That adds a lot to your team.”
Rod from College Park
March 22nd, 2011
12:26 pm
“And Rod, I know your point about Jamal. But northcydes good post about Jamal, he’s really not that good of a scorer – 41% career shooting? Come on. I also understand LD’s point of playing him, but with his defensive liabilities, it’s just not working.”
He is that good of a scorer, he just does not shoot a high percentage from the field. He is a streaky scorer, he has been his whole career. His problems this year and many other years stem from the fact that because he can handle the ball so well, people keep thinking he can run the point. He is not a point guard. We all know that, LD is the one that needs to be convinced. At this point, I have more faith in Jamal scoring than Joe. Northcyde can post all the stats he wants to, the bottom line is that on this team, the two best scorers are Jamal and Joe. They also are the only two guys on the roster who can take their man off the dribble and create a shot. Those two playing so poorly this year, is is direct reflection of why the team looks so bad. The NBA is a league of scorers. If you can’t score, you won’t win, and the Hawks right now can’t score when they really need a bucket.
bigdave
March 22nd, 2011
12:31 pm
“Even if he is hamstrung by the ASG’s financial limitations, it’s up to him to make sound decisions on personnel and coaching moves.”
absolutely! so you agree that we as fans have nothing to do w/ this. this is exactly what i meant when i used Matt Ryan as example.. no matter how many jerseys we buy.. he will suck or do well by his on merit..
vava74
March 22nd, 2011
12:35 pm
Rod,
Just for reference: Hinrich is hitting 3 pointers at .476 clip (20/42) so I am pretty comfortable with him getting the pass out of the double teams on JJ.
Your man Jamal is usually more worried about extending his record of 3+1 than to correctly launch his shots (LD even had to point that out to him recently) – he’s shooting at .339 just to refresh you a bit on the subject.
Again, I am not saying that Jamal is worthless, so don’t distort what I have to say about him.
What I say about Jamal is that he is better suited to play less minutes (maximum average of 20 and I am already conceding here) and in particular in much shorter shifts – come in, shoot, if hot, continue, if cold, out he goes.
LD has been using him completely wrong.
A good example: against DEN Jamal helped us build a nice lead (+12) with some of trade mark instant offense.
That was the moment that LD should have removed him and inserted a defensive line up since it was CLEAR AS WATER that DEN would try to make their run.
Winning basketball is all about stopping runs by your opponents.
Instead, LD kept Jamal on the floor and the lead went down and later re-inserted him to close the game with us trailing and Jamal GOT EXPLOITED ON THE PICK AND ROLL AS IF HE WAS A STATUE.
http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20110316&game=DENATL
mykhalc
March 22nd, 2011
12:36 pm
like i’ve posted before until Teague SHOWS that he WANTS and WILL lead then i want him comin’ off the bench. havin’ 2 (on-court) like personalities in JJ and JT, is just too much for me to fathom right now!!! you can debate Kirk’s skills all you want but the cat wants to and will lead. he will direct the team…that’s if the other players allow him to fulfill that roll. this team and city has been waitin’ for and lookin’ for THAT leader. JJ coulda been it. Josh certainly coulda been it. Al coulda (might be) been it. it was primed for the takin’. ALL comers failed to accept the challenge…includin’ Teague (to date). i DO NOT get why at this point Teague doesn’t play with such a big chip on his shoulder that it just smacks cats in the face. instead he does the JJ…who just wreaks of $120 mil leadership. KA BOOM PLEASE!!! gimme someone that WANTS the ball, DEMANDS cats listen, DEMANDS accountability, and will get in cats faces if they don’t get with what helps the team win. and yes, LD is a HUGE part of this problem. it’s all been said…again…KA BOOM PLEASE!!!
ag
March 22nd, 2011
1:01 pm
I have read many of you would rather start Hinrich instead of Teague to give us scoring options at every postion, but no lineup with put together will give us weapons at every position. I think Teague is capable of scoring (Portland, Boston game). He has to focus on what he does best. Then AJ, Mistikal, etc. are saying starting Armstrong, man you guys love going on blind dates! It is like your buddy’s girlfriend tell you all the great characteristics about a woman, but she refuses to meet you. Yet, in her past, she has dissapointed all the men she has ever been with. You look at her, admire her beauty but your other friends warn you about her.
Hilton has all the attributes of being a good player, but in NO, SAC,GS and Washington, he has never proved himself. Why do you think magically he will do well here?
sleepy
March 22nd, 2011
1:03 pm
@vava – against Denver jamal came in off the bench we were down 10 points .He and the bench got us to within 3 when psycho josh took over with the long jumpshots and turnovers. I dont why you think the coach would take out one of the best 4th quarter players in the nba with erratic as the team has been.
I would understand all this whining if JJ josh and Al were playing consistent ball because if they were then you can put in a lessor player and they could carry him while letting him just do his thing but right now none of our big three are pulling there own weight consistently so you have to play the players who have a chance to impact the game.
Josh killed all the momentum we had with silly mistakes and then JR smith went nutz AT SMALL FORWARD .
@ Rod you are right but some simply dont understand. They actually think that when jamal is on the floor the opposing coach is saying hey dont guard him he only shoots 41% for his career so that means he cant score roflmao . That some Hollinger geek speak type _hit there.
Our offense this year has done nothing but create more long jumpshots for JJ and Jamal even though they are sharing the ball more .
Woods offense while too much isolation allowed these guys to get to spots where they were most comfortable and thus more successful.
O'Brien
March 22nd, 2011
1:06 pm
vava,
A good GM would have found a deal for Jamal (imo).
northcyde,
Lets not forget those games where LD would go with Bibby and Jamal together down the stretch when the Hawks needed defense.
mykhalc,
I am ok with Teague coming off the bench. But LD needs to give him a consistent 10 – 15 minutes each game. He is young and still learning, so he needs game repitition.
mykhalc
March 22nd, 2011
1:08 pm
@ag…here’s a tip for ya…NOBODY has proven themselves on this team…PERIOD!!! NOBODY!!! so yeah i’m all for givin’ Hilton a look with the starters. the worst he can do is what everybody else has done. simple…really.
Rod from College Park
March 22nd, 2011
1:11 pm
vava74,
“You have issues and biased. I don’t, I am 100% sane and fair on my assessment of people. I would love that Jamal found the fountain of wisdom and started to play bball as he could, but the fact is that he doesn’t.”
I’m biased, but Tracey McGrady, Josh Smith and Jamal Crawford are losers, but Kirk Hinrich is excellent. Ok. I guess those 1,000 plus blocks and all those points that Mcgrady and Crawford have scored in their careers happened by chance. No practice or effort was put forth huh. LOL
“This LOSER has recently said, in reply to Jeff van Gundy’s statement that McGrady could have been much better if he had not relied so much on his immense talent and worked in his game and practiced harder (like MJ and Kobe ALWAYS DID/DOES), that he did not agree that he should have practiced more/hard and did not believe that practicing mattered.”
So are Kobe and MJ the only winners in your eyes. Kobe and MJ are the exception, not the rule trust me. I guess injuries had nothing to do with it huh. So when you are walking around with serious back problems, and no cartilidge in your knees, you should be going full bore in practice. That makes a lot of sense. Being that you never played the game, I assume you have never seen an NBA practice. No one on this earth goes all out in every practice. That is the biggest misconception that could ever be put out there. The Human body will not allow you to go all out in that manner. Some practice harder than others, but trust me, there are many guys walking around with multiple rings, who did not go all out in practice. If I heard correctly the great Larry Bird (late in his career) and Steve Nash, barely practice, so I guess they are losers too. If you become the second best 2 guard in the league behind Kobe Bryant, that does not happen by accident.
“And on Hinrich, you are dead wrong. Both the Bulls and Wiz had the opportunity to draft Grade A+ talent PGs, so your argument is worthless.”
If he was such an excellent player, as you say, then why would you not upgrade other positions? If I had an excellent point guard, I surely would not draft a point guard that high in the draft. Maybe I’m crazy (LOL). I’m sure Oklahoma City, Boston, Pheonix, Golden State, Sacramento …. would not have taken John Wall. They would have traded down. What Tom Thibodeau said was what any coach would say cocerning a player that he respects. He talked about his strengths, and left out his weaknesses. If the Hawks traded Jamal Crawford or Jaosh Smith would you expect Larry Drew or Woodson to talk bad about them at a press conference?
mykhalc
March 22nd, 2011
1:13 pm
@OB…definitely agree Teague needs consistent minutes. and like a lotta folks i hate the way LD handles him. i hate the way LD handles EVERYTHIN’!!!
ag
March 22nd, 2011
1:32 pm
Northclyde
I agree and they need a coach on the staff that is analysing the stats. I read ESPN the magazine that JJ had the worst 3pt% when shooting from the corners. Yet, he still takes that shot. I also read Horford has the highest fg% of all players who take the shot from the top of the key.
I watch almost every Hawk game, and I like the JT/KH/JJ/JS/AH lineup. Even if JT is not giving you points, Marvin plays better off the bench. Also, the rotations flow because JC gets JT and KH moves to point. JT returns to get KH and JC runs SG the entire game. We had some quality wins with that lineup 2-1).. The loss to Denver I put on LD because Teague was on the pine while Denver went with TWO PG’s and JR Smith.
That crap we put out Sunday has been getting blown out the building – and only one quality win (Chicago). That team is 2-5 (KH/JJ/MW/JS/AH). The Detroit game I do not consider that a quality win and for those all on Hinrichs sac for shutting RIP down, I didn’t realize they were letting him play.
ag
March 22nd, 2011
1:36 pm
mykhalc, you probably want Pepe Sy to get some run to, although he averaged 8 ppg in the DLeague. Again, Hilton was TRASH in Washington. Heck, if you can’t start on a bad team, what makes you think he can start on a good team? Okay, I am sure he is better than Twin, but that is not saying much. ZAZA is not athletic, but when he plays with his heart, heck I love watching him and Al play together. At least he will get fouled. Hilton does not have a post up game. Funny, J. Powell has a nice post game, but he opts to take those jumpers.
Harpie
March 22nd, 2011
1:40 pm
I HATE Larry Drew!
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
1:42 pm
Sleepy – You said this in regards to Jamal, “I dont why you think the coach would take out one of the best 4th quarter players in the nba with erratic as the team has been.”
Remember, there are two sides to the basketball court, offense and defense. And Jamal’s matador defense, combined with his falling scoring has made him a liability.
Remember, Jamal is only averaging 11.9 and 11.7 ppg in Feb. and March.
Remember, Jamal only shot like 37.5% from the field in Feb.
And Rod, as far as taking folks off the dribble, Jamal recently;
Shot 3 FT’s versus Detroit. In his previous 5 games he had shot 0 FT’s in 4 games, and 1 in the other game.
In my perfect world, to reference Lessing, Kirk would play 25-36 mpg. Teague would get the rest.
JJ and Jamal would play at SG. JJ would see some minutes at the 3 also. This may give Jamal 20 mpg, none at the the Point.
And I think the Hawks would be the better for it.
And I would try very hard to never have Josh guarding the perimeter if I could help it.
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
1:45 pm
Rod – And as far as practice, I think Vava was referring to practice outside of team practice. You usually don’t hurt anything there. And you can work on mechanics and the like.
Kobe shot for an hour or hour and half by himself after midnight when they lost to the Heat recently.
And of course Bird could not practice with his bad back late in his career.
mykhalc
March 22nd, 2011
1:46 pm
@ag…yep i’m for replacin’ ANY of these heartless players…PERIOD!!! so yeah give Pape some burn too!!! i’m already in KA BOOM mode!!! and the Hawks are NOT a good team!!!
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
1:50 pm
I think the frustrating thing to all Hawks fans, and we are trying to quantify it, is that we have 9 legit pieces in place that can help us win if properly used. And if we go back, I would call Collins a 10th legit piece (barely) because of his basketball knowledge, and ability to body up C’s in this League.
We just see the pieces being used wrong. And some of the pieces aren’t obeying the Coaches game plan. But isn’t it the coaches responsibility to enforce his game plan when a player repeatedly violates it?
That’s why most fans have come to the conclusion it’s all about coaching with the Hawks. Pieces being used incorrectly, and no accountability when the pieces use themselves incorrectly.
Put McMillan or Karl in charge of this team, you may have a different story.
tremaine
March 22nd, 2011
1:55 pm
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
11:44 am
On another web site, it said the Hawks turned down Kris Kaman for Marvin Williams earlier this season. Wow? I wonder if that’s really true.
What site was that?
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
1:57 pm
And of the top 50 scorers in the League, of which Jamal is not one of them, 49 of 50 have a better shooting % than Jamal. That’s bad.
But we need his streaky shooting when he’s on.
Only Stephen Jackson is worse
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
1:58 pm
Tremaine – Peachtree Hoops. That’s why I wondered if it was legit
ag
March 22nd, 2011
2:00 pm
Hilton has been in the league six years. He is just like Marvin, a high first round pick that has not delivered. Unlike Marvin, his other previous teams awarded him with his walking papers. In six seasons, he has grabbed more than 6 rebounds in a game 9 times.. 4 times this season. He has had more than 2 blocks once! Like the famous quote “He is who he is!” I am sure we will not be ranked 26th in rebounding with him, maybe 28th?
Okay, Teague is a seoond year player. At ppg he also has one game with more than two blocks and one game with more than six rebounds. Yet, he does it in other areas, assist, rebounding… but mostly energy. The box score never shows how the PG harasses the the other PG bringing the ball up the court to disrupt the offense sets.
Also, take one of those losses off the Hinrich, Marvin lineup… because Twin started against Miami. The Hawks record as Hinrich as the starting PG 2-5.
SteveW
March 22nd, 2011
2:02 pm
I forgot Kirk and Jamal played together for the Bulls years ago. I wondered when they asked Kirk about the players his answer was about Jamal, I know what he is all about. Sounded kinda backhanded.
And that quote is from memory, so it may not be verbatim.
Ben Dover
March 22nd, 2011
2:07 pm
People, don’t forget that the only reason that LD was hired was because no one else would take the job.