For Hawks, Pistons behind, Bulls next

Greetings, all

Hope you’re well. Sorry I couldn’t blog Sunday night. Georgia State is introducing its new coach today (Monday), which I found out last night and so I had to start digging around to find out who it was, right about the time I was going to sit down to blog.

This will be on the brief side, so my apologies again.

- Not sure how much to take from the game. It’s a win, which is the important thing, but a) it’s only one win; b) it was against Detroit. Still, beats the alternative. The Hawks played with a bit more energy. Kirk Hinrich: “We talked about it as a team. We’re aware of it and there’s going to be nights that don’t go our way out there. We have to stick together, rely on each other and just play through it.”

- I counted 40 shots from 16 feet or more, out of 70. The Hawks started out shooting the ball well – they made seven of their first nine from 16 feet and out, and then 11 of the final 31. Off the top of my head, I’m not sure how this compares with a typical game, but it makes me wonder a little if the biggest difference in the game (opponent aside), or at least one of the biggest differences, was that the shots that they took went in after not going in against Miami, Denver, etc.

That said, I did think they were more intentional about running and to some degree played more physically on defense, although the Pistons still shot 50 percent from the field.

- The Jeff Teague update – 11th DNP. Larry Drew’s explanation – he didn’t want to start him because Tracy McGrady was a matchup problem, as well as Richard Hamilton. He said the starting unit got into a flow so he didn’t want to disrupt it. Also, he said he wanted to try to give Jamal Crawford more minutes than he would have otherwise to try to get him going before the playoffs start.

“I’m going to have to get him going and I’ve got to make sure he’s feeling good about himself as we move down the stretch,” Drew said. “He’s a guy we’re going to need down the stretch.”

- Chicago and Philadelphia ahead. Those games, I think we can agree, will be more telling than Sunday.

“We have to mirror this game but play with a little bit more energy and try to get the win against Chicago,” Josh Smith said.

289 comments Add your comment

J from the A

March 21st, 2011
7:35 am

tremaine

March 21st, 2011
7:39 am

This team is a joke.

O'Brien

March 21st, 2011
7:39 am

Drew used a three-guard lineup at times in large measure because he said he’s trying to help reserve Jamal Crawford break out of a slump. Crawford made three-of-eight shots for nine points — his third single-digit scoring game in the past four, including a scoreless outing in Friday’s loss to the Heat..

After reading this on the other blog, I had to post it over here. LD makes no sense to me. To help Jamal break out of a shooting slump, LD gave him more minutes at backup PG?

Atlanta reserve guard Jeff Teague, who recently started three straight games with Kirk Hinrich moving over to shooting guard, Joe Johnson from shooting guard to small forward, and Marvin Williams to the bench, did not play. In Friday’s loss to the Heat, he did not play in the first half.

Drew explained: “Jeff has done a great job since the trade.. I really wanted to look at a few things and put him in the lineup [last week]. When we made the trade, we brought Kirk Kinrich in here to run things. I think I really need to get into that frame of mind as we get down the stretch. Kirk is going to be our point guard. Jeff will find some minutes.”.

How is he supposed to find minutes? If Jamal gets injured? If the team is up or down by 20? I am ok with starting Hinrich, but since Hinrich played 36 minutes, Teague should have gotten the remaining 12.

Its only his first year, but I might need to get one of Clyde’s T-Shirts for LD.

http://www.nba.com/games/20110320/DETATL/gameinfo.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2/

tremaine

March 21st, 2011
7:48 am

LD is one the worse coaches in Hawks history.

ant banks

March 21st, 2011
7:48 am

hawks have a history of destroying the psyche of young guards…SALIM STOUDAMIRE, AC LAW, JORDON CRAWFORD AND JEFF TEAGUE.

Slimjr

March 21st, 2011
7:50 am

Sund=Billy Knight, worst GM in Hawks History

tremaine

March 21st, 2011
7:55 am

Sund has been just as bad as LD. Time to get rid of both of them.

Trojan

March 21st, 2011
8:02 am

Sund has been below average but LD has been bad and getting worse.

tremaine

March 21st, 2011
8:10 am

Sund hired LD. He should get fired first.

NCBravesFan

March 21st, 2011
8:17 am

I’m with you, O’Brien. If you want to help Jamal, don’t let him play the point. Teague should be right behind KH in the PG rotation. The kid needs to play down the stretch and get some experience.

Section 303

March 21st, 2011
8:34 am

So…the Hawks are going to need Teague down the stretch? And, to get him ready, you don’t play him, Coach Drew? Coach Drew, with every passing minute, shows he is totally in over his head with this job. I don’t think Teague is the answer, but if you’re saying he needs minutes, then give him minutes!

There were bad matchups for him yesterday. Fine. But, that means he does not play the entire game? And, will he get a DNP every time there is a suspected matchup problem? Gosh….

You get what you pay for, I guess.

Lost a lot of faith in Larry Drew this weekend. First, he just sits back and lets the team get railroaded by officials on Friday against Miami. Then, his handling of Teague is just a total debacle. Throw in the fact that he has done nothing he said he would do and you have the makings of an awful NBA coach.

Section 303

March 21st, 2011
8:37 am

Oh…one more thing…good to know that Hinrich is aware that there are problems with energy. What a f’ing hot mess of a team. Are there any other teams in this league that say such stupid things?

tremaine

March 21st, 2011
8:37 am

Section 303- Wow, it took this weekend for you to finally give up on LD?

Rashod

March 21st, 2011
8:42 am

And Sund gave Joe Johnson a Max player !!! WTF

Leroy

March 21st, 2011
8:43 am

has anybody noticed jordan crawford is playing pretty good. only thing the kid needed was a chance. i believe his going to get better ,because he wasn’t used to playing.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 21st, 2011
9:03 am

Walk and Chew Gum at the same Time!

” I counted 40 shots from 16 feet or more, out of 70. The Hawks started out shooting the ball well – they made seven of their first nine from 16 feet and out,” – Ken Sigura -
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To use a football analogy: we are a pass first offense and running the ball
appears to be an after thought. The Falcons have an identity of establishing the run between the tackles, (smash mouth football). And, then when the defense utilizes a cover 2 formation or goes into a prevent defense formation, they throw underneath the defense and take what that gives them. Boot legs, QB options or throwing across the middle are all short passes that moves the chain and increases The Falcons time of possessions.
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That, fellas is a game plan. The Falcons have 13 starters and the offensive coordinator must substitute the other 43 players in and out to keep the 1st string units fresh! Talk about complex, hugh?
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Well in basketball we have 13 players minimum to dress and struggle to find time for the remaining 8. Now, that shouldn’t be this hard to find time for Teague!

“’m with you, O’Brien. If you want to help Jamal, don’t let him play the point. Teague should be right behind KH in the PG rotation. The kid needs to play down the stretch and get some experience.”
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Exactly on point here!
Why can’t coach create a game plan that establishes Al, Josh in the paint foremost, establish Joe and Jamal on the perimeter, (like wide outs),
Throw underneath with Marvin running slashing to the basket, (like across the middle) and let Kirk and Teague QB this team with some boot legs and option plays to penetrate and dish?

Can the Coach not walk and chew gum at the same time.

Jamal is an 11 year veteran, can’t he get himself going and Drew help teage do the same. We are going to need Teague down the stretch too!
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Create minutes for Teague already, 15 – 20 mins/per shouldn’t be this hard? Try incorporating 43 players, now that’s a real challenge.

Find out who we are? Establish an identity!
Are we a “Smash Mouth” team or a “Run and Shoot” (red gun), offense?
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Figure it out Drew! I can’t tell? But 40 passes and 30 run plays is quite telling. We are a “run and shoot” offensive team! In the defensive East.
I guess we are a West Coast hybrid offense that dinks, dunks and will never stress the long timing passes that stress the defensive corner backs, ever!

We have usable parts that will never be used.

kaminari

March 21st, 2011
9:15 am

I’m looking forward to the offseason and what changes might happen. First, ownership. I really hope the ASG sell the team. Next, mgmt. Will there be changes at the top? I do hope that they change LD and they will once the Hawks exit the first round. (if the Hawks do make it past the first round, then some kind of major mental and coaching shift must’ve happened, so all my comments here are mute.)

I’m also really excited to see who goes and who comes. I can’t wait till next season. (that’s how good I feel about this one).

Oh, about the Bulls? I’m sure we’ll lose. If I had money to put on it… but I’m not a gambling man.

Not Sund

March 21st, 2011
9:16 am

I agree, L.D. was a mistake, a cheap mistake though. You get what you pay for.

cp

March 21st, 2011
9:17 am

LD just makes it up as he goes smdh..As bad as the Pistons are they still shot 50% from the field smh..Might as well trade Teague in the summer if he isn’t going to get minutes. If LD has Jamal guarding Rose Tuesday night I might just have to give up on this team. I wont be shocked if LD does put him on Rose then come with some crazy explanation as to why he did it. LD is in over his head..And great post O’Brien and dr mary

tremaine

March 21st, 2011
9:30 am

The hawks are only going to win 45 games this year.

clancy

March 21st, 2011
9:30 am

I also have no issue with starting Kirk – but with the way he plays defense, he’s more effective going roughly 30-34 minutes a game. I’m totally on board with JT getting the remaining 14-18 as a general plan. You can’t protect a player from matchups by benching him if you want him to be part of the regular rotation. And that’s not even addressing the issue of the alternative – Jamal at point. Getting JT minutes is not an all-or-nothing he starts or doesn’t play! He should absolutely get a solid stint giving Kirk a breather in both halves.

O'Brien

March 21st, 2011
9:35 am

Section 303,

I think Jamal is the guy LD was saying he needs to get going down the stretch.

But playing him at backup PG is not the way to go. Anybody can look at Jamal’s numbers at backup PG on the season, and the team results, and can show that’s not a good option.

I don’t always agree with Jeff Schultz, but I thought this excerpt from his article was on point;

These are your Hawks: some mismatched parts and personalities and a head coach who says all of the right things but unfortunately too often comes off as the second-grade teacher who constantly screams at the kids, “I said, ‘Line up!’”.

This time of season is about more than mismatched parts and personalities. It’s about all of those things the Hawks too often have lacked in difficult moments: heart, desire, resolve. .

bigdave

March 21st, 2011
9:48 am

“I’m going to have to get him going and I’ve got to make sure he’s feeling good about himself as we move down the stretch,” Drew said. “He’s a guy we’re going to need down the stretch.”

@ pg though? so we dont need Teague down the stretch. any period of time w/ Jamal matching up against Rondo, Rose, or Nelson spells curtains. it just appears that opposing teams catch fire when Jamal is @ point.

we’ll just have to accept Jeff being used as a utility, defensive guy. the same way Drew uses a Damien Wilkins. the thing is Jeff is a pg, which makes Drew just throwing him in there rusty from his dnp’s and expecting him to have a positive impact a lot tougher.

Not Sund

March 21st, 2011
9:48 am

L.D. coaches like a 13 year old playing a video game, he just throws out a lineup based on the matchups that exist in his head. In the meantime there is no thought given to team continuity and developing a playing personality of our own.

Who could have seen this coming when he was hired.

Grandad

March 21st, 2011
9:49 am

kaminari:
I don’t gamble either.
However, I think I’m gonna wager on the Bulls.

Mary Ellen:
Great post + your arithmatic = my arithmatic?

drmaryb (*_-)

March 21st, 2011
10:01 am

Jordan Crawford Stats 10-11: from my Blackberry, so bear with format. Here goes:
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G, GS, MPG, FG%, 3P%, FT, Off/Def, RPG, APG, SPG, BPG, TO, PF, PPG:
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ATL

16

0

10.0

0.351

0.333

0.667

0.6

1.2

1.8

0.9

0.2

0.0

0.9

0.8

4.2
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10-11

WAS

12

4

25.8

0.410

0.150

0.846

0.6

1.5

2.1

2.3

1.4

0.1

1.9

1.2

13.0
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10-11

28

4

16.8

0.391

0.224

0.813

0.6

1.3

1.9

1.5

0.7

0.0

1.4

1.0

8.0
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Career

 

28

4

16.8

0.391

0.224

0.813

0.6

1.3

1.9

1.5

0.7

0.0

1.4

1.0

8.0
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Not listed on Synergy due to 10 Game played minimum required

doc

March 21st, 2011
10:19 am

yeah dmb, we have gone from woody hayes ball, three yards and a cloud of dust, to air coryell.

Slimjr

March 21st, 2011
10:22 am

LD= Jim Mora, CLUELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

March 21st, 2011
10:25 am

JC2 is Ballin!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUND GAVE HIM UP FOR THE HEIMLICH MANEUVER?????????????????????????? JUST WOW MAN………………………………………………….

JeJe

March 21st, 2011
10:25 am

LD said he couldn’t start because of the matchup problems. WHY WOULD YOU START HIM IF HE HASN’T STARTED MUCH ALL YEAR? AT LEAST BRING HIM OFF THE DAMN BENCH

MY GOODNESS

rusty

March 21st, 2011
10:27 am

If you had a great talented first round player on your bench & didn’t play him for the first season or second season would that player be as good when you did get around playing him he definitely wouldn’t for lack of experience & depression. The hawk coaches are a destroyer of young talent,not only for not playing them but also for playing them in systems which make no sense & for holding everyone accountable differently. As for ld his brain must look like someone who has done too many drugs as the man has no sense.

Slimjr

March 21st, 2011
10:30 am

THIS PLAYOFF RUN WILL BE EMBARRASSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Astro Joe

March 21st, 2011
10:30 am

Kind of hard to evaluate JC2’s performance considering the situation (i.e. playing on a bad team that is losing and has little alternative other than auditioning young players for next season). I’m just gald that he is able to take full advantage of the extra playing time. My guess is that watching Wall and JC2 run the floor has got to be fairly entertaining and encouraging for Wizards fans.

Meanwhile the Hawks continue to be as exciting as a toothache. 17 of 30 losses by 10 points or more? And Josh continues to say that simply running faster, jumping higher and bringing more energy to the court will resolve all issues. So running faster to the corner on a fast break (as opposed to filling the lane) will suffice to get this team going, huh?

Big Daddy

March 21st, 2011
10:33 am

I take it that no reporter called LD on the other comments he had about Jeff Teague a week ago. He sounds like someone who is being controlled by a higher level power. I wonder how much automomy he does have.

If Kirk goes down, what is he going to do? His reasoning doesn’t fly and he is going to be full of regrets if he has more than one person have a problem. Expect the same excuses after the Bulls game. The Bulls are playing great ball now and our defense has not really proven sustainable for 40 minutes. I keep hoping they are going to figure something out and get into a rhythm. Go Haws!!! (sigh)

Slimjr

March 21st, 2011
10:36 am

Al for NeNe yesterday!
Josh for Rudy Gay!
JC1 walk………..
Marvin Waive goodbye

tony

March 21st, 2011
10:51 am

There are 8 members of the ASG and they share equal voting power. Someone in that bunch might be unwilling to reduce his salary in order to bring a super star to the ATL. This is bad for business(I think Belkin saw JJ as an average player). The hawks need 1 owner because in wouldn’t put a dent in his salary.

Starting Teague over Captain Kirk would open the door to more criticism for Sund/ASG……so to them it would be in their best interest to start KH. I believe Teague will get more minutes if he would act like a leader whenever he get’s his opportunity. My advice to Teague:

1) Be more vocal/assertive
2) Take charge(don’t allow JJ and JS to dictate)
3) Use your strength(get in the paint immediately and create havoc)
4) Play with confidence
5) Don’t force shots

JeJe

March 21st, 2011
10:52 am

FIRE LD
FIRE JOSH
FIRE WOODY
FIRE ASG

Astro Joe

March 21st, 2011
10:54 am

Big Daddy, remember that LD used Teague to demonstrate his offensive scheme during his summer interview. The owner also specifically criticized Woody for not using Teague last year. They fielded a summer league team built around Teague. Lastly, LD was Teague’s position coach in his rookie season AND hired Van Exel for the purpose of tutoring Teague. The notion that LD has oppressed Teague (while Teague has done everything possible from day one to seize all opportunities) is one that I simply don’t buy. With 12 games left, it’s time to set your rotation and starting building chemistry.

Ak

March 21st, 2011
11:10 am

If Kirk is your PG, why is JC bringing the ball down and setting up the plays. Why bring a guy to run the show and put him in Bibbymode. Larry Drew is a woodyclone…nothing has changed since last year.

Mike is back

March 21st, 2011
11:10 am

Doc, I thought I would never say this…but I don’t know which will be worst…a lockout next season or enduring another season with LD being HC for Hawks…this dude is still making excuses.

Maybe it is time to move Josh…however I would replace LD first before I did anything!!!!

Now, LD gotta get JC1 going…may be than…we can start playing some lock down defense.lol

Geeeeeeeeeeez here we go again.

The true confession of a dispirited Hawks Fan.lol

JeJe

March 21st, 2011
11:13 am

The players, coaches, and fans all know it:

This is a soft basketball team.

No vocal leaders, no leadership, no one who will commit a hard foul, a head coach with two plays (the thumbs up/thumbs down) who doesn’t talk or hold anyone accountable

This franchise is a failure.

SteveW

March 21st, 2011
11:18 am

Astro Joe – you said, “The notion that LD has oppressed Teague (while Teague has done everything possible from day one to seize all opportunities) is one that I simply don’t buy”.

So has anyone oppressed JT, or is it his own incompetence as you see it that has kept him off the court?

You also said, “With 12 games left, it’s time to set your rotation and starting building chemistry.”

So we should be starting the Collins, Al, Josh, JJ, Kirk lineup if we are to play Orlando in the 1st round?

How do you know which lineup to play every night to build chemistry, if you are going to change that lineup based on our matchup? What if we fall to the 6th seed and play the Heat? What if we fall to 7th, still a real possibility, and play the Celts? Or what if the Heat and Celts swap places in the standings?

With LD as Coach, the reasoning doesn’t hold up.

Rufus1

March 21st, 2011
11:19 am

Accountability and mental toughness..

Those articles about his children are a clear reflection of the current Hawks team. A lack of accountability,a sense of entitlement given to certain player and no mental toughness describe the current Hawks team.

These facts have caused me to lose faith in LD ability to change are playoff fortune…..sigh. I also think his unwillingness to suffer through the ups and downs of young players is an example of his own lack of mental toughness….YOUR TEAM TAKES ON YOUR PERSONALITY

SteveW

March 21st, 2011
11:20 am

I mean Collins gets DNP after DNP, yet if we play the Magic in the 1st round, he’s going to be starting, and Etan will be getting burn also. How is what we’re doing now setting a rotation and building chemistry? Just asking.

Astro Joe

March 21st, 2011
11:23 am

From bad to worse, they were soft last season and with our bigs enjoying a soft existence on the perimeter, it has gotten exponentially worse. Zaza gets flagrant fouls called on him because his fouls look so much more violent than anyone else on the team. He’s a victim of his teammate’s timidness.

SteveW

March 21st, 2011
11:26 am

And don’t anybody buy we don’t have the talent stuff. It’s coaching plain and simple.

5x All Star in JJ. 3rd team All NBA
2x All Star Al
Close to All Star Josh. 2nd in DPOY voting
Reigning SMOY
Kirk, ZaZa, Wilkens, Teague, and Marvin give us a 9 deep rotation. Compare it to the Lakers, Celts, Miami, Bulls, Spurs etc. Our 9 deep can compete with their 9 deep.

It’s coaching, plain and simple and that’s where we stink.

Rev in Tampa

March 21st, 2011
11:32 am

SteveW,

I co-sign your 11:26am post

Slimjr

March 21st, 2011
11:37 am

No its more than coaching.You have a group of spoiled young Men who are not mental tough and think all they have to do is show up!! You can see they do not put much time into their craft and that’s why as a franchise they will fail miserably for the the third straight playoff run!! They dont get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Astro Joe

March 21st, 2011
11:42 am

SteveW, unfortunately, Collins is pretty horrific against most other centers so I don’t know that I would throw him out there against just anyone (I can’t imagine him starting against Noah or the 76ers). But Hinrich needs to get as much time as he can with the guys who will play the bulk of the minutes in the playoffs (even when Collins plays, he won’t likely get more than 20 minutes). Also, I think our offense is what truly needs work in these last few games, and Collins is a complete non-factor there (other than setting a moving screen here and there).

Slimjr

March 21st, 2011
11:46 am

Al and the GIRLS are going to be DISMANTLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!