Hawks-Pistons game thread
Greetings, all
Hope you’re well. I commend your loyalty if you’re spending a Sunday afternoon with this team (which, if you’re reading this, I presume you are).
A few notes, and on to the game.
1) Your team’s lineup: Al Horford, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Kirk Hinrich, Joe Johnson. Larry Drew said he went with the lineup to match up with Detroit’s size in the backcourt.
2) Drew: “We’ve got to bring a physical style to the way we play. We can’t be a soft team.” I’ll leave it to you to connect the dots. Jeff Schultz is here for a column, and I gather his column will do that for you.
3) I asked Drew Saturday about the possibility of starting blog fave Damien Wilkins. “At this point, I won’t rule out anything. I do love what he brings to the table. His competitiveness, particularly on the guy that he’s defending. He’s one of our best defenders. But he plays with a physical style and I like that and we need that early in the game.”
I’m going to guess that addressing the possibility of Wilkins starting with “I won’t rule out anything” isn’t exactly an endorsement of it becoming a reality.
4) Hopefully you read my story about the Hawks’ leaders not being the types to confront and police one another.
5) Enjoy the game.
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tremaine
March 20th, 2011
4:33 pm
The only thing positive about this hawks season is that it is helping Mike Woodson get another coaching job.
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
4:33 pm
i did like the ball movement i saw..
question is, will it continue against better defense when jump shots are not dropping..
Worldwide Clyde
March 20th, 2011
4:33 pm
drmaryb you wasn’t saying that when the Hawks got blown out by Miami.
Worldwide Clyde
March 20th, 2011
4:37 pm
Woodson has not gone anywhere.
We run the same offense, we have the same player rotation, and Jeff Teague is still on the bench. Only difference is we are playing more man to man on defense.
NCBravesFan
March 20th, 2011
4:37 pm
I’m with you, bigdave. A lot of the Hawks current problems are best helped by having Teague and Damien in the regular rotation. Why LD insists on Jamal at the point is beyond me.
Coach is starting to look like he’s trying to force issues with his personnel, rather than putting each player in the best position to play to their strengths.
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
4:37 pm
“bigdave,
Do you think Teague will get any PT in the first half?
I just hope when LD brings Jamal in the first quarter, he does not sub him for Kirk.”
…………………….
lol.
SWAT Native
March 20th, 2011
4:38 pm
@ Najeh: Teague is on Twitter – @jeffteague.
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
4:39 pm
we want to defend the perimeter well.. Jeff, Damien
we want energy.. Jeff, Damien
we want to play up tempo.. Jeff, Damien
we want to attack the basket.. Jeff, Damien
DNP, 3mins.
Grandad
March 20th, 2011
4:41 pm
Larry Drew is is suffering from;
paranoia, anxiety, acute stress disorder,
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
4:41 pm
lol @ Josh hesitating to just anoint Jeff the better starting pg. good for you Josh, where it was looking like Jerome was trying to bait Josh into acting like all is just well and dandy w/ the team b/c of a win w/ Kirk starting @ pg..
good game Kirk..
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
4:42 pm
*”lol @ Josh hesitating to just anoint (Kirk) the better starting pg.”
tremaine
March 20th, 2011
4:42 pm
Even Josh knows the team is better with Teague on the floor. Fire the Sports South crew also. They are trying to make it seem like the hawks are back on track.
cp
March 20th, 2011
4:43 pm
The Hawks dont have the money to sign a pg, the pieces to trade for one ,nor the draft picks so you would think they would develop the young one they have. Not saying Teague will be great but I think he could be solid starter. Hinrich is a stop gap not a long term answer. The Hawks just never have a plan so it wont be shocking to see them still looking for an upgrade at point in the next few years.
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
4:44 pm
Tremaine..
you peeped that too..
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
4:45 pm
now.. if we run together 8-9 straight, ill give credit where its due..
MsDee
March 20th, 2011
4:45 pm
I cant believe all what Teague has done the last few games, LD couldnt find 10min for him tonight!! UNBELIEVABLE!!
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
March 20th, 2011
4:48 pm
The last few post game press conferences I’ve heard Drew call Milwaukee a “quality team” and Detroit a “very, very tough” team
lol
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
4:51 pm
Ken.. MC
tell the guys, the bloggers want to see the Hawks have a quality showing against better competition. excellent chance this week.. Chicago on TNT, followed by a trip to Philly..
O'Brien
March 20th, 2011
4:51 pm
LD did what Woody did. Shorten the rotation. And with the playoffs around the corner, alot of teams shorten their rotation.
However, in 30 minutes (a big part of which he played backup PG), Jamal had 9 pts and 2 assists. I think LD should have given Teague some of those minutes. Jamal should have gotten some of JJ’s minutes (JJ played 42).
Stuckey had 22 points. I wonder how many of those points came against Jamal.
Good game by Marvin, so that explains why Damien only played 4 minutes.
But overall, the Hawks won, and we will see if they carry over this ball movement/get closer to the rim to the Chicago game.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 20th, 2011
4:53 pm
Michigan has a legitimate shot at beating Duke. Down by 4, 1:38 left, with the ball.
Harpie
March 20th, 2011
4:54 pm
I HATE Larry Drew for the way he’s treating Teague! Not to mention all the other ways he’s ruining the Hawks…
Najeh Davenpoop
March 20th, 2011
4:57 pm
I wish some of these bloggers would get press credentials. Nothing against MC and Ken S. who both do a great job, but they both get paid to cover this team on a daily basis, which means they can’t really ask the kind of questions that would p-ss people off or else people won’t be willing to talk to them anymore. I’d love to see someone like Bret LaGree from Hoopinion get into LD’s postgame press conferences and just ask him about Teague every game.
tremaine
March 20th, 2011
4:57 pm
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
4:44 pm
Tremaine..
you peeped that too..
Yeah, they wanted him to co-sign so bad.
Grandad
March 20th, 2011
4:57 pm
Larry Drew is is suffering from;
paranoia, anxiety, acute stress disorder, agoraphobia,
anorexia, ass-burgers, [intentionally mis-spelled] schizoprrenia,
cognitive disorder, gas and or dyspepsia, & *Joubert syndrome.
*[never mind / that last one is Marvin]
** This is the actual completed post from 4:41 pm. **
*** 4:41 pm was an oops ! ***
Grandad
March 20th, 2011
5:03 pm
r.e. My last post;
either that or he has lost his mind ?
tremaine
March 20th, 2011
5:04 pm
Maybe Teague can save LD job again after the next Chicago blowout.
tony
March 20th, 2011
5:05 pm
WOW! I come on here and read where some fans are complaining about certain players didn’t play. They won people! UNBELIEVABLE! I see now why these owners could careless about building a championship team because the fans are more concern about who plays than winning games. Keep on sending mix messages and see how far you get.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 20th, 2011
5:08 pm
Serious Issues!
“Only reason Hawks are winning is because I’m watching the game.”
_____________
The sad thing is, this guy probably actually believes this.
superiorblogman
March 20th, 2011
5:09 pm
This team sucks and Larry Drew is the main reason. Another DNP for Teague and there is no reason for it. The truth is as we all know Larry Drew would rather play anyone other than Teague. Beating a team as sorry as Detroit at home by 8 is nothing to get excited about.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 20th, 2011
5:13 pm
Beyond The Chants!
“drmaryb you wasn’t saying that when the Hawks got blown out by Miami.”
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Since, I rarely say the exact same thing twice? Which of my plethora of comments are you referring to? smh (scratching my head)
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
5:14 pm
i think many of us are no longer impressed by wins against opponents whom you should beat at home. what we’d like to see is consistency w/ in our team. from play, to philosophy, to rotations. this is all still in questions only weeks away from playoff basketball. so while you might feel a win against a non playoff Detroit Piston team is something to write home about.. most would rather observe strategy that will make us a better team and avoid playoff embarrassment.
you sound like you work for the Hawks vs a fan that sat through this last home stand of crappy play.
Grandad
March 20th, 2011
5:14 pm
What if he played Joe, Al, or Josh
with the inconsistency with which
he plays Teaguer & Jason Collins?
Would he then expect all-star results?
” I do love what he brings to the table. His competitiveness, particularly on the guy that he’s defending. He’s one of our best defenders. But he plays with a physical style and I like that
and we need that early in the game.” —Larry Drew— r.e. *[ D.Wilkins]
What rationale?
Grandad
March 20th, 2011
5:15 pm
Last post was referring to LD, just in case?
mykhalc
March 20th, 2011
5:16 pm
@Grandad…i’m goin’ with the assumption LD just doesn’t have a BB mind!!!
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
5:16 pm
*question
and damn any other grammatical errors if intention is comprehended.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 20th, 2011
5:28 pm
Reality Based!
“We run the same offense, we have the same player rotation, and Jeff Teague is still on the bench. Only difference is we are playing more man to man on defense.”
__________________
Unless, until you can have a healthy conversation that is based in reality, Clyde? We can never have a reasonable conversation about whether or not Mr. Woodson is actually still here or not. One thing even you must admitt is that he can never be FIRED, not once never twice, three, four times … and into infinity, as you would have it. His contract expired, it ended, it ran it’s course. He was never fired. Until you agree with that? You remain autistic to me, which is worse that being fired from any BS job.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 20th, 2011
5:45 pm
The Complaint Department!
They Lose, some bloggers complain. They win, same bloggers complain. Perhaps, the blog should be renamed:
The Complaint Department.
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This team, The Pistons match up very well to The Hawks, (much like The Bucks). The Pistons beat the Hawks last time out by 23 points. So, since this win doesn’t matter, would you be much happier if we lost? I’m just wondering?
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The Suggestion Box!
I would, however suggest that Teague do get 15-20 mins at PG, behind Kirk. That is my only suggestion for today’s game. But, in fairness to Coach Drew, Marvin starting does make the back court bigger and we lose nothing whatsoever on defense. Marvin does a very nice job there @ SF. Which, moves Al back to Center and Josh to PF. Given how this roster is constructed? Today’s line up is our BEST starting five. It also, returns stability to the bench rotations.
Hopefully, this close to the play offs? We can stop experimenting with the starters and settled down for a post season run. This IS our team, you can love it or hate it. Since, all the trade deadlines have past? There isn’t a damned thing Drew or anyone can do about the roster now. We got needs fellas! We got needs!
Rev in Tampa
March 20th, 2011
5:49 pm
Grandad,
Co-sign all your comments. I missed the game but when I saw the box score and the DNP-CD for Teague I was about to post several comments but you beat me to it. I must say, however, that it never occurred to me to post anything about an “ass-burger”.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 20th, 2011
5:49 pm
Start Your Engines!
Marvin! God bless him and his Grandma. On THIS team? Marvin is a starter. He gives us something at the SF that no one else on this roster can:
Size
Rebounds
Perimeter Defense
Scoring
Post Ups
Drives
FT’s
Najeh Davenpoop
March 20th, 2011
5:50 pm
Since Bibby was traded, the Hawks are 3-2 when Teague gets 20+ minutes (both losses to Denver) and 3-6 when he doesn’t.
The margin of victory in those 3 Teague wins is 16.7 points. The margin of victory in the three non-Teague wins is 6 points.
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
5:50 pm
in fact i think there is an argument to made that fans who (are) content w/ single wins or 46 wins or so a season and a 1st/2nd rd. playoff exit due to the same damn glaring deficiencies, keep us further from a championship than those of us who arent; those who cant adopt the philosophy that we somehow show our disgust for management, coaches, and players by going to more games and financing more mediocrity..
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
6:04 pm
if Marvin gives the production he gave today on a more (consistent) basis i would personally be pleased. however, i cant expect it. in fact i believe his play today, and of late has stemmed from establishing comfort w/ in his role by coming off the bench. today’s game looked like a carry over. when does Marvin ever make most of his open looks? given Drew has made it clear that we’re set w/ the “traditional” lineup going forward lets see if it continues. we’ve seen stretches of decent play from Marvin.. 1 or 2 great games.. but its more of a rarity..
i feel you could slide Damien in that starters slot and not miss a beat.. at this point, i think the only thing Marvin gives you over Damien is length which aids his rebounding ability. however, i feel he’s maximized coming off that bench..
ask Roy Williams..
Worldwide Clyde
March 20th, 2011
6:06 pm
We beat the Pistons.
Let’s start planning the Hawks parade.
*yawn*
Against the Heat I saw our starters lay down and quit. That game is still on my mind and will be until the Hawks show me they can stand up to a championship quality team.
Grandad
March 20th, 2011
6:06 pm
Rev in Tampa
Asperger syndrome:
I swear I thought it was assburger sybdrome until two years ago.
Sautee
March 20th, 2011
6:07 pm
bigdave,
EXACTLY. Big freakin’ co-sign.
NorcalHawk
March 20th, 2011
6:08 pm
Whoop-tee-doo……we hung on to beat the Pistons.
ignition
March 20th, 2011
6:09 pm
Jordan Crawford has back to back 20pt games. We traded him for a scrub called Kirk Hinrich and another 1st round draft pick..
Jeff Teague the better pg racks up DNP’s..
Dear Hawks I HATE You..
Worldwide Clyde
March 20th, 2011
6:10 pm
The Hawks laid down and quit against a sellout crowd. Now that they beat a sorry Pistons squad they think things are all good and back to normal.
Only In Atlanta
JeJe
March 20th, 2011
6:15 pm
Worldwide Clyde for Poster of the Millenium
JeJe
March 20th, 2011
6:17 pm
Start Damien and let Marvin dominate off the bench. This isn’t rocket science.