Heat 106, Hawks 85

Greetings, all

Not sure what there is to say that hasn’t been said.

- Prior to the game, Larry Drew said, among other things, he wanted the team to score in transition, rebound, move the ball on offense and not focus so much on the Big Three that the other players beat you. Well, the Hawks did one of those things.

- The Hawks scored 18 fast-break points, 10 in the inconsequential fourth quarter. They rarely made much of an effort to run after Heat misses or turnovers. They were out-rebounded 50-27. Part of that is due to the fact that Miami didn’t give them many chances to rebound, but 50-27 is kind of hard to explain away. Josh Smith and Al Horford combined for six rebounds. Smith was out chasing LeBron James, so that explains maybe part of it, but Horford’s three rebounds is a season low. Jason Collins had one.

The ball didn’t move well, again.

“Miami’s a solid defensive team,” Drew said. “They do a great job, particularly on the first side of the offense. You have to force them to shift their defense and then you have to attack. We didn’t do that. Once the ball came out, we settled again for three’s.”

- Damien Wilkins showed up, playing physical defense on James. He was 6-for-8 from the field and had 14 points, nine before the fourth quarter.

“To me, it felt or seemed like we were conceding the fact that [James] was making shots,” he said. “He was way too comfortable pulling up for jump shots, coming down and just doing whatever he wanted to do, just showing way too much respect. … I think we could have done a better job showing a little bit more resistance.”

- Hawks have lost 17 games by 10 or more points, which is more than they permitted either of the past two seasons.

Horford: “We’re going through a real rough patch right now. We’re going to keep fighting and we have to figure it out.”

- Through the first three quarters, the Hawks were 5-for-22 on shots from 16 feet or longer – not counting Jamal Crawford’s first half-ending heave – including one stretch when they missed 13 straight in the second and third quarters. They were 3-for-21 before Jeff Teague and Wilkins hit long jumpers at the end of the third.

“We got off to a good start, I think,” Horford said. “We kind of lost our focus in the second quarter. After that, we just couldn’t get back in it.”

- Ineffective nights for Joe Johnson and Crawford. Johnson was 4-for-8 for nine points and Crawford was 0-for-4 for zero points. It’s Crawford’s first scoreless game since the final game of the 2006-2007 season, when he played half a minute after coming back from a broken ankle. As was noted by some posters, he was minus-26 in 24 minutes. Crawford has been having his best shooting month, percentage-wise, since December, but obviously a rough night.

While we’re at it, Horford was minus-27 in 29 minutes and Smith was minus-31 in 27 minutes. Interestingly, would you believe Bosh had a better plus/minus than James (32 to 23)? Wilkins was plus-10.

- Hawks have had fewer free throws than their opponent for the past seven games. After playing largely exceptional defense in the first nine games of the Kirk Hinrich era – 42.8 percent – the Hawks let Denver and Miami shoot 53.5 percent in the past two games and 50 percent from 3-point range.

197 comments Add your comment

Lionhearted

March 19th, 2011
2:01 am

LD is garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 19th, 2011
2:05 am

mykhalc

March 19th, 2011
2:13 am

LD…PLEASE STFU and go home…wherever that is…PLEASE!!!

and Al…you are beginnin’ to sound like the rest ‘em!!??? is Damien the ONLY cat on this team that has heart and KNOWS what it means to be a pro???

gimme Damien, Al and Hilton…fill in the blanks with the other 2 spots!!!

team of quitters…PERIOD!!!

superiorblogman

March 19th, 2011
2:16 am

LD sucks, the ASG sucks, Rick Sund sucks. We need a real coach. Jeff Van Gundy, Bill Laimbeer, Tom Izzo, Larry Brown, or bring Woodson back. They would all be a lot better than LD. Finally, we should be drafting Lucas Nogueira with that 1st round pick that we gave away along with our last summers 1st round pick for Kirk “Lateral Move” Hinrich. Jordan is already a rotation player he just needed to play and if Lucas Nogueira is there with our pick that Washington will be using, this becomes the worse pick in history.

Little Fawkers

March 19th, 2011
2:22 am

There is no i in team but there is in quit.

truhawkfan

March 19th, 2011
2:39 am

The Hawks are going through a rough patch right now I think they are going to end the regular season on a good note. I hope that they start to string togetther some win with them having 13 games left. This team is way more tanlented then what they have showed these last two games they need to ply like they did when they played The bucks on the 3-15-11 and the bulls on 3-2-11 those are they guys that I like to watch play cause they show heart confidence and pride for that name across their chest. The guys that have seen these past two game seem less confident and not having fun together. I love this team and I am with them no matter what happens I am always a supporter of them. GO HAWKS we need a win on Sunday and start put the peices back together for the playoffs.

Paradise Lost

March 19th, 2011
2:39 am

Sigh. These guys are rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic…

Buddy Grizzard

March 19th, 2011
2:47 am

“I just disagree with conjecture about someone’s family matters. Unless you know everything that was said (or thought) in that family, then you are just guessing.

And, once again you have the right to say it. I just think it’s tacky.”

If you read some of those alleged Sharon Drew posts they really are epic. If they are not authentic, somebody hated her so much they spent hours upon hours making that ish up. And it’s highly entertaining. She is supposed to have called Kendall Marshall’s parents obese and said people are jealous of the Drew family because they fly around in private jets and take lavish vacations.

Thing about it, Sautee, this is sports. It’s a multi-billion dollar industry that provides entertainment to consumers. If you are going to be part of that industry, things you do and say will be scrutinized. You say I’m talking about their private family matters. LD II’s decision to bone out on North Carolina mid-season was very much in the public domain.

Why do I think it matters? I started off as an LD supporter, but the more I saw the players were not listening to him, the more I wondered why. So I did a little digging, and came to the conclusion that LD Sr. simply is not a leader. For one thing, he’s not an honest person. Coach K always said in coaching, you always make eye contact because it’s harder to lie to someone when you are looking them straight in the eye.

LD obviously protected Bibby and himself tonight from the embarrassment that would have come from Jeff Teague having a big night at Bibby’s expense. LD has overriding agendas that take precedence over the success of the team I have loved so many years. I would like to see LD and his vapid, narcissistic family head back to Encino and never show their faces in my beloved ATL again.

Grandad

March 19th, 2011
2:53 am

*** [re-posted from last blog] ***

Hawks in ‘10 waited ’til the playoffs to quit.
‘11 Hawks quit by my recollection…..on Feb 8 this season.
*[ the Philadelphia game at home]
After new year:
the Hawks began 12 and 4 / prior to Feb 8th
since, the Hawks are 6 and 12. *(corrected from last blog)
*[8 losses by doule digits or blow-outs]
*[4 of their 6 ''wins'' were by only 3 pts or less / or OT]

The Hawks are too small.
They can’t or won’t rebound.
They need A true Big, nay two true Bigs.
*[everyone knows that,,,,,by now,,,,,I hope]
They need ”men” who will rebound regardless of position!
Team Jump Shot is the most apt yet funniest moniker ever…ever !
Team Jump Shot / shot only 25 % (give or take a fraction) tonight.
Starters + Jamal attempted only 8 FT’s, everyone else attempted 15.
*[referees tried to do a cosmetic job on the books]
Still, ” TJS ” can’t or don’t get to the line.

Tonight I watced Josh (and others) look at open cutters,
disregard and then launch.

This is a team of quitters.
Most must go…sooner than later.

When all is said and done,
All has been said and done.

editors note:
The Dawgs fought until the final buzzer, bless ‘em.

Grandad

March 19th, 2011
2:56 am

TJS shot 25% from “3″.

Grandad

March 19th, 2011
3:08 am

Basketball fans, please read this article. [link below]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5866376

I want Bernard James on our Hawks team
as soon as he decides to put his name in the draft.
These are the kind of young men
with which you build a winning culture.

Grandad

March 19th, 2011
3:12 am

Fla. St. defends as well as anyone in the country.
I’ve known L.Hamilton for nigh onto 40 years.
Bernard James is a ”Beast”.

Reggie

March 19th, 2011
3:15 am

L.D out Bruce Pearle in?

mykhalc

March 19th, 2011
3:15 am

@Grandad..2:53am…CO-SIGN!!!

TheAntiMe

March 19th, 2011
3:35 am

This garbage is really unacceptable. I would much rather see a Hawks team like the ones of several years ago where the players, in general, are more inexperienced with much fewer wins but actually gives it their best effort to win every night. I can live with a team that loses by 20 points if that team is giving it’s best effort but comes up on the short end because of a talent deficit.

On the other hand, it turns my stomach to watch a team that is far more talented than those Hawks teams of the past get their butts kicked by 20 points because they don’t feel the need to play defense and on offense they feel it’s just too much work to do anything other than hurl up long-range jumpers not caring that none of them are falling. Then, basically after every game we hear the same lame comments to the effect of: We know that we are a bunch of wusses and we should really stop being a bunch of wusses every single game.

Speaking of hurling, that’s exactly what this lazy team of disinterested players who couldn’t give less of a damn about playing hard on most every night makes me want to do – hurl!

TheAntiMe

March 19th, 2011
3:57 am

Team Jump Shot is the most apt yet funniest moniker ever…ever !

I totally agree, Grandad, “TJS” is definitely the best line of the season for this Hawks team.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 19th, 2011
4:15 am

Grandad

March 19th, 2011
1:51 am

Mac-Town, Georgia
(urban-macon.blogspot.com)

How do you figure they choked?

You put I.Thomas on the Dawgs & they go to the final four. (perhaps)?

……………

I’m just tired of Atlanta and Georgia teams not performing well on the big stage….and Washington was horrible in the 1st half, not shooting the ball well and UGA was controlling the tempo and they couldnt put any real distance between them and the Huskies when they had the chance. They choked away that opportunity, and went on to lose the game. I do respect the fight at the end but, it was still a lost. The beat goes on smh.

SOMEBODY WIN SOMETHING!!!

superiorblogman

March 19th, 2011
4:15 am

Grandad you are a horrible scout of talent. You sound so much like Rick Sund sometimes that it is sickening. I liked what I saw of Bernard James against Texas A&M but I would not call him a beast. Festus Ezili of Vandy is not ready for pro ball I saw him against a bunch of undersized guys on Richmond and he did not dominate, he could not even get 10 boards against undersized guys. I have also seen Keith Benson’s name thrown around on this board and he does not play well against guys NBA sized or his own size. The draft is bad for big men. There are a couple but none of them have come up on this board, glad you guys are not scouts for the Hawks, or are you with some of these picks?

superiorblogman

March 19th, 2011
4:19 am

Bernard James averages 8 pts and 5 rebs in college but the scouting guru Grandad AKA Rick Sund has identified him as a beast, what a fool.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

March 19th, 2011
4:20 am

I’d rather watch Damien and Teague give it all they have, than watching the core play without passion or common sense.

PG – Teague
SG – Joe
SF – Damien
PF – Smoove
C – Horford

starters

Adjusted to Losing

March 19th, 2011
4:39 am

We Suck, no heart, dumb owners/presidents… We SUCK!!! End of Story!!

EmirS.

March 19th, 2011
4:42 am

tony

March 19th, 2011
4:53 am

I want to see this team succeed just as much as anyone but a coaching change has to be made this off season. We need to hire Bill Laimbeer to resurrect this team. He has on his resume that most do not…….CHAMPIONSHIPS! Give the man a chance to prove himself.

tony

March 19th, 2011
5:10 am

@Mac-Town, Georgia
(urban-
macon.blogspot.com)

In your starting lineup there are players(JJ/JS) that don’t use commonsense. As a matter of fact, one(JS) of them is the biggest CULPRIT in the nba.

Big Daddy

March 19th, 2011
6:00 am

We just had a good old fashioned butt whipping game last night. Miami came in and after the first 5 minutes took over the game. It was the LeBron James night. LeBron from the top of the key. LeBron from the wing. LeBron from the corner and it seems nobody on the coaching staff thought to double team this guy and get the ball out of his hands. On one play during a break it was like LeBron asked Jamal what was his good side for the poster he was going to be on.

It was one of the few times this year I felt the guys just really quit. I mean JJ, are you serious? It must be okay for LD to allow Smoove to stay outside and shoot jumper after jumper. Does anyone thing Popavich, A Johnson, Jackson or even Collins would let one of their bigs do that?

It’s like you said MC, “Not sure what there is to say that has not already been said”. Well, for one thing, the Detroit Pistons are not a good team so maybe we can get a win.

tony

March 19th, 2011
6:02 am

superiorblogman
March 19th, 2011
4:15 am
I have also seen Keith Benson’s name thrown around on this board and he does not play well against guys NBA sized or his own size. The draft is bad for big men. There are a couple but none of them have come up on this board, glad you guys are not scouts for the Hawks, or are you with some of these picks?

Keith Benson will be a decent pick up for the hawks. If he put on about 40lbs on that frame of he’s, he will have a decent nba career. Charles Barkley and other former nba players think highly of this young man.

I guess you were waiting for Keith to have a bad game so you will have a reason to degrade him. OK BIG SHOT……….what couple of 6′11 or 7′0 centers in this year’s draft class we should be scouting?

superiorblogman

March 19th, 2011
6:45 am

tony

March 19th, 2011
6:02 am

superiorblogman
March 19th, 2011
4:15 am
I have also seen Keith Benson’s name thrown around on this board and he does not play well against guys NBA sized or his own size. The draft is bad for big men. There are a couple but none of them have come up on this board, glad you guys are not scouts for the Hawks, or are you with some of these picks?

Keith Benson will be a decent pick up for the hawks. If he put on about 40lbs on that frame of he’s, he will have a decent nba career. Charles Barkley and other former nba players think highly of this young man.

I guess you were waiting for Keith to have a bad game so you will have a reason to degrade him. OK BIG SHOT……….what couple of 6′11 or 7′0 centers in this year’s draft class we should be scouting?

As for Keith Benson the guy played 4 years of college and did not get any better. You are still talking about a guy that needs to gain weight to be able to hold his on as a rotation player in the NBA. How is he any different than Jarvis Varnado who is the all time shot blocker in college. That was Varnado’s big issue also he needed to gain weight so now he is overseas. Yes, the Heat picked him but they had no use for him until he gets stronger. Like I said in a earlier post the guy will spend just as much time in the D League and overseas as the NBA.

We should be looking at 1 guy and 1 guy only Lucas Nogueira of Brazil. He is called Bebe. He is thought to be the best prospect from Brazil since Nene. Nene, Barbosa, Varejao, the books still out on Tiago Splitter but he has a chance to be a player. This guy is next in line. Below is a picture of him standing by Dwight Howard, he is a legit C. He has been described as Tyson Chandler with a jumpshot. There is no other big man worth a pick, but I am sure they will pick some D League candidate and you guys will jump for joy. With all of those legit C prospects that were available last year you guys are talking Keith Benson, what a joke. He got beasted by a 6″8 freshman and he is suppose to be someone to get excited about.

http://i55.tinypic.com/nh16c5.jpg

DJK

March 19th, 2011
6:57 am

Jeff Teague must start if you want Damain out there too that’s fine but he must start to effect the point guards on the other team. The other nite against Denver was tough with him having to play against both Lawson and Felton. But without him in the game effecting the tempo and now since Kurt can’t make open jumpers it is best to bring Kurt and Jamal off the bench to together with Marvin being the post presence against smaller small forwards. Kurt can’t push the ball for a face pace the offical SOS HELP SIGNS ARE UP EVERYWHERE!

DJK

March 19th, 2011
7:34 am

There is one more thing “SOFT”!!!!!! The Knicks kicked our butts, Denver kicked our butts, Chicago kicked out butts, Now Miami then if we win against Detroit everyone will act like everything is ok but it’s not because Chicago will be here on Tuesday so stay tuned to watch another 20 point loss. At least we are consistent with these blowout home losses. Oh yeah “Soft” people are taking their sons to see this STUFF! Completely unacceptable for professionals to look like a MCD all Amaerican team minus the ALL-AMERICANS. “SOFT” Watch out JUMPERS IN THE AIR LANDING ANYWHERE BUT IN THE HOOP!

tony

March 19th, 2011
7:40 am

superiorblogman, you are a joke young man. In my previous comments I’ve mentioned Jonas Valanciunas-c, Lucas Nogueira-c, Keith Benson-c, Tyler Zeller-c and Mike Tisdale-c.

You and I both know that the hawks that Jonas Valanciunas and Lucas Nogueiro will be off the board even if we had a 1st round pick. Lucas Nogueira could be a hot head like Josh Smith so I wouldn’t want him near our facilities.

I really like Tyler Zeller but I’m afraid he will stay in school which leaves up with Keith Benson. That 6′8 freshman you keep talking about could have done the same thing to any of those centers because he has a coach who knows how to attact their opponents.

Don’t give me that D-League crap because if they were good enough to play at the nba level they would not have been sent there in the 1st place. This league is about good coaching. Get the wrong coach your team is DOOM no matter who you draft. Hire Bill Laimbeer and he will make Keith Benson a star in this league.

Col. Angus

March 19th, 2011
8:17 am

There is absolutely nothing to be encouraged about with this team. They simply stink. They will most definitely fall to 6 in the east and probably 7th before the season ends. Look for a sweep in the first round and the season will fade into oblivion. Poor ownership, terrible front office and a coach that is only on the bench because he was a cheap choice. And no on the court leadership. I’ll take Horford and the rest of the team could be traded. This team is headed nowhere but down.

South Ga boy in the Atl

March 19th, 2011
8:21 am

What a dysfunctional bunch this has turned out to be ! I have no idea where to start on LD except to say he lost the team some time back. Josh is out of control. He doesn’t hustle and just makes one dumb pass after another or jacks up jumpers like he’s Reggie Miller. Oh but he will make one great pass or a fabulous steal and slam and everyone on this blog will forget the other 5 stupid chances he took to make one spectacular play. If Smoove were a bank, for every dollar he loaned out he would only ask for a “polished,” “brand new” dime to be payed back. So much for that headband changing Joe’s sorry game, and would someone please tell Jamal that he doesn’t increase his chances for a new fat contract based on how many shots he puts up no matter how cold he is. Good God. I know shooters keep shooting but Geez.

Jesse

March 19th, 2011
8:30 am

If LD would get mad and be a little bit more vocal with what he wants his players to do…. it might help. He’s too passive. If he had players who would listen, then he could be mellow, but these guys aren’t the Spurs.

DHD

March 19th, 2011
8:46 am

I have been a fan of the Hawks since Pogo Joe Caldwell, Sweet Lou Hudson, Bill Bridges, etc when they moved here from St Louis. TODAY, I declare…..not that anybody cares….I am DONE. I won’t follow another team, just DONE with this team and the NBA.

I cant decide

March 19th, 2011
8:52 am

I cant decide whether to laugh or cry. The idiots around the hawks have destroyed the team. From Sund down to Mike Cunningham. You Idiots havent got a clue. Time to rebuild, and do not rebuild with that center/pf who refuses to play defense. Trade horford while he has some value.!

I cant decide

March 19th, 2011
8:57 am

A symbol of the Hawks’ growth bit the dust Wednesday. Starting in the 2005-06 season, the Hawks had won more games than they had the previous season for five consecutive seasons, all under former coach Mike Woodson. They became the seventh team in NBA history to accomplish that feat, a fact that the team proudly trumpeted. However, the Hawks’ 102-87 loss to Denver on Wednesday was their 29th, matching their loss total for the 2009-10 season and ensuring the streak will stop at five.

It was their 16th loss by 10 or more points, which is more than they had in either of the past two seasons.

I cant decide

March 19th, 2011
9:00 am

Its woodsons fault, it bibbys fault it the guards fault it marvin williams fault.

did you ever stop to think that the hawks need a center? If you cant play under the basket you become a jump shooting team.

O'Brien

March 19th, 2011
9:19 am

Grandad,

Hawks do not have a first round draft pick this year. We traded it away for Hinrich.

O'Brien

March 19th, 2011
9:25 am

13 games left in the season, and the hawks lineup is still changing from game to game. Jj, Josh and al know They are going to start, but they never know which position. The bench players (except for Jamal ) never know when they are going to play.

That’s bad (IMO).

If I’m LD, I would not start Josh at SF anymore. That takes him away from the post on offense and defense

lp

March 19th, 2011
9:34 am

What other team out there change their starting line-up on a game by game basis. Nobody. Our offense is very predictable. Its worse than iso-joe. All the do is post up joe, josh, or al and everyone else just stands around. When is the last time we got an easy shot. At least iso-joe we have our best scorer getting the ball. How can a guy be all star only getting 8 shots. But this is what everyone wanted. The motion offense where everyone gets the ball. Honestly it seems like josh is the only one getting shots. Al he is okay, but you cant build around a post jump shooter with no moves. Al when in the post does the same move. If a double comes or someone is in his way, instead of passing to the open player he shoots anyway. The team needs a real coach period.

lp

March 19th, 2011
9:36 am

Michael Ray Richardson said it best “The ship be sinking”

Ken Sugiura

March 19th, 2011
9:56 am

@truhawk fan – gotta give it up to you. you are a diehard.
@superiorblogman – you’re entitled to your opinions, but let’s go easy on the namecalling. no sense in getting vicious with grandad, a long-time and respected member of this community, or anyone else for that matter.
from the last blog, props to ag. i called for predictions just before tip and ag said 106-82 and was pretty close on some other predictions. you can go back and look.
at the risk of sounding like an apologist, i’m not sure it’s entirely fair to be critical of drew for making lineup changes if you were calling for lineup changes a few weeks ago and ripping drew for not “shaking things up” as he indicated he would. i concede i don’t remember who said what, but that was the general tenor.
@ i can’t decide – how is this michael cunningham’s fault? i don’t think he’s really the problem here.
@ lp – the shot distribution is puzzling/mystifying. agreed.

cp

March 19th, 2011
9:59 am

Damien and Teague were the only guys who looked like they wanted to play last night. For whatever reason they caught a lot of flack on the last blog. The so called captains didnt bother to show up nor the 6th man of the year but the only two guys who showed up are called scrubs and terrible? Makes no sense but i know how this blog works. LD has terrible rotations and holds no one accountable. They should have been attacking bibby the moment he entered the game but LD didnt bother to do that until the game was out of reach. This team doesnt play smart and dont seem to care most nights.

ASG

March 19th, 2011
10:04 am

Listen. We pay LD less than any other coach in the league. We won’t have to pay for a 1st round pick next season and we won’t have to pay Jordan Crawford who is blowing up in D.C. All is good. Oh and we need to stop playing Teague so much that he will get a bigger contract.

terrell

March 19th, 2011
10:13 am

Been nice my fellow bloggers, but I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired. Holla at yall when the Playoffs start.
Fire LD.

tom

March 19th, 2011
10:16 am

This team is garbage and an absolute disgrace. Hawks fans have nothing to be proud of.

terrell

March 19th, 2011
10:18 am

Time to move Josh and Marvin, let Jamal go, and get a real coach. Later my people.
And I feel 4 ya Teague.

joe

March 19th, 2011
10:19 am

the hawks are pitiful, they are all just collecting a check. IF they make the playoffs, they will be 1 and done anyway. and management wonders why the attendance is low…… What a waste of time

drmaryb (*_-)

March 19th, 2011
10:21 am

Please respect my Grand-Daddy! He’s the best I ever had and he once coached High School ball. G-Daddy really knows this game and talent.

GD was a big proponent of Taigo Splitter this last draft and turns out he might be a player in this league. But, respect the man he’s a blessing to the blog. Hey, GDaddy call me later, we got 13 games left to choose from.

I have no idea what happened to my Hawks. The biggest thing I can point to is, a lot of moderate to serious injuries.
Surgery for Joe and spinal injuries to Al and Marvin.
Al is really, really banged up this year. His spine and 2 ankle sprains has taken the lift out of his legs. He came back way too soon as did Joe and Josh on all their ailments. We are worn down physically and are not very healthy. But, you don’t hear anyone complaining.

No rest for the weary, though. Maybe Coach can spell them a little in practices.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 19th, 2011
10:27 am

Mash Unit!

Injuries are not excuses, that’s a hard knock life and that’s real.
Basketball is a lot tougher to play, than it looks on TV.
Try it sometime and get back to me.

Last year, we had no injuries whatsoever. This year, yikes!