Heat 106, Hawks 85
Greetings, all
Not sure what there is to say that hasn’t been said.
- Prior to the game, Larry Drew said, among other things, he wanted the team to score in transition, rebound, move the ball on offense and not focus so much on the Big Three that the other players beat you. Well, the Hawks did one of those things.
- The Hawks scored 18 fast-break points, 10 in the inconsequential fourth quarter. They rarely made much of an effort to run after Heat misses or turnovers. They were out-rebounded 50-27. Part of that is due to the fact that Miami didn’t give them many chances to rebound, but 50-27 is kind of hard to explain away. Josh Smith and Al Horford combined for six rebounds. Smith was out chasing LeBron James, so that explains maybe part of it, but Horford’s three rebounds is a season low. Jason Collins had one.
The ball didn’t move well, again.
“Miami’s a solid defensive team,” Drew said. “They do a great job, particularly on the first side of the offense. You have to force them to shift their defense and then you have to attack. We didn’t do that. Once the ball came out, we settled again for three’s.”
- Damien Wilkins showed up, playing physical defense on James. He was 6-for-8 from the field and had 14 points, nine before the fourth quarter.
“To me, it felt or seemed like we were conceding the fact that [James] was making shots,” he said. “He was way too comfortable pulling up for jump shots, coming down and just doing whatever he wanted to do, just showing way too much respect. … I think we could have done a better job showing a little bit more resistance.”
- Hawks have lost 17 games by 10 or more points, which is more than they permitted either of the past two seasons.
Horford: “We’re going through a real rough patch right now. We’re going to keep fighting and we have to figure it out.”
- Through the first three quarters, the Hawks were 5-for-22 on shots from 16 feet or longer – not counting Jamal Crawford’s first half-ending heave – including one stretch when they missed 13 straight in the second and third quarters. They were 3-for-21 before Jeff Teague and Wilkins hit long jumpers at the end of the third.
“We got off to a good start, I think,” Horford said. “We kind of lost our focus in the second quarter. After that, we just couldn’t get back in it.”
- Ineffective nights for Joe Johnson and Crawford. Johnson was 4-for-8 for nine points and Crawford was 0-for-4 for zero points. It’s Crawford’s first scoreless game since the final game of the 2006-2007 season, when he played half a minute after coming back from a broken ankle. As was noted by some posters, he was minus-26 in 24 minutes. Crawford has been having his best shooting month, percentage-wise, since December, but obviously a rough night.
While we’re at it, Horford was minus-27 in 29 minutes and Smith was minus-31 in 27 minutes. Interestingly, would you believe Bosh had a better plus/minus than James (32 to 23)? Wilkins was plus-10.
- Hawks have had fewer free throws than their opponent for the past seven games. After playing largely exceptional defense in the first nine games of the Kirk Hinrich era – 42.8 percent – the Hawks let Denver and Miami shoot 53.5 percent in the past two games and 50 percent from 3-point range.
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Lionhearted
March 19th, 2011
2:01 am
LD is garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
2:05 am
Yawn.
mykhalc
March 19th, 2011
2:13 am
LD…PLEASE STFU and go home…wherever that is…PLEASE!!!
and Al…you are beginnin’ to sound like the rest ‘em!!??? is Damien the ONLY cat on this team that has heart and KNOWS what it means to be a pro???
gimme Damien, Al and Hilton…fill in the blanks with the other 2 spots!!!
team of quitters…PERIOD!!!
superiorblogman
March 19th, 2011
2:16 am
LD sucks, the ASG sucks, Rick Sund sucks. We need a real coach. Jeff Van Gundy, Bill Laimbeer, Tom Izzo, Larry Brown, or bring Woodson back. They would all be a lot better than LD. Finally, we should be drafting Lucas Nogueira with that 1st round pick that we gave away along with our last summers 1st round pick for Kirk “Lateral Move” Hinrich. Jordan is already a rotation player he just needed to play and if Lucas Nogueira is there with our pick that Washington will be using, this becomes the worse pick in history.
Little Fawkers
March 19th, 2011
2:22 am
There is no i in team but there is in quit.
truhawkfan
March 19th, 2011
2:39 am
The Hawks are going through a rough patch right now I think they are going to end the regular season on a good note. I hope that they start to string togetther some win with them having 13 games left. This team is way more tanlented then what they have showed these last two games they need to ply like they did when they played The bucks on the 3-15-11 and the bulls on 3-2-11 those are they guys that I like to watch play cause they show heart confidence and pride for that name across their chest. The guys that have seen these past two game seem less confident and not having fun together. I love this team and I am with them no matter what happens I am always a supporter of them. GO HAWKS we need a win on Sunday and start put the peices back together for the playoffs.
Paradise Lost
March 19th, 2011
2:39 am
Sigh. These guys are rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic…
Buddy Grizzard
March 19th, 2011
2:47 am
“I just disagree with conjecture about someone’s family matters. Unless you know everything that was said (or thought) in that family, then you are just guessing.
And, once again you have the right to say it. I just think it’s tacky.”
If you read some of those alleged Sharon Drew posts they really are epic. If they are not authentic, somebody hated her so much they spent hours upon hours making that ish up. And it’s highly entertaining. She is supposed to have called Kendall Marshall’s parents obese and said people are jealous of the Drew family because they fly around in private jets and take lavish vacations.
Thing about it, Sautee, this is sports. It’s a multi-billion dollar industry that provides entertainment to consumers. If you are going to be part of that industry, things you do and say will be scrutinized. You say I’m talking about their private family matters. LD II’s decision to bone out on North Carolina mid-season was very much in the public domain.
Why do I think it matters? I started off as an LD supporter, but the more I saw the players were not listening to him, the more I wondered why. So I did a little digging, and came to the conclusion that LD Sr. simply is not a leader. For one thing, he’s not an honest person. Coach K always said in coaching, you always make eye contact because it’s harder to lie to someone when you are looking them straight in the eye.
LD obviously protected Bibby and himself tonight from the embarrassment that would have come from Jeff Teague having a big night at Bibby’s expense. LD has overriding agendas that take precedence over the success of the team I have loved so many years. I would like to see LD and his vapid, narcissistic family head back to Encino and never show their faces in my beloved ATL again.
Grandad
March 19th, 2011
2:53 am
*** [re-posted from last blog] ***
Hawks in ‘10 waited ’til the playoffs to quit.
‘11 Hawks quit by my recollection…..on Feb 8 this season.
*[ the Philadelphia game at home]
After new year:
the Hawks began 12 and 4 / prior to Feb 8th
since, the Hawks are 6 and 12. *(corrected from last blog)
*[8 losses by doule digits or blow-outs]
*[4 of their 6 ''wins'' were by only 3 pts or less / or OT]
The Hawks are too small.
They can’t or won’t rebound.
They need A true Big, nay two true Bigs.
*[everyone knows that,,,,,by now,,,,,I hope]
They need ”men” who will rebound regardless of position!
Team Jump Shot is the most apt yet funniest moniker ever…ever !
Team Jump Shot / shot only 25 % (give or take a fraction) tonight.
Starters + Jamal attempted only 8 FT’s, everyone else attempted 15.
*[referees tried to do a cosmetic job on the books]
Still, ” TJS ” can’t or don’t get to the line.
Tonight I watced Josh (and others) look at open cutters,
disregard and then launch.
This is a team of quitters.
Most must go…sooner than later.
When all is said and done,
All has been said and done.
editors note:
The Dawgs fought until the final buzzer, bless ‘em.
Grandad
March 19th, 2011
2:56 am
TJS shot 25% from “3″.
Grandad
March 19th, 2011
3:08 am
Basketball fans, please read this article. [link below]
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5866376
I want Bernard James on our Hawks team
as soon as he decides to put his name in the draft.
These are the kind of young men
with which you build a winning culture.
Grandad
March 19th, 2011
3:12 am
Fla. St. defends as well as anyone in the country.
I’ve known L.Hamilton for nigh onto 40 years.
Bernard James is a ”Beast”.
Reggie
March 19th, 2011
3:15 am
L.D out Bruce Pearle in?
mykhalc
March 19th, 2011
3:15 am
@Grandad..2:53am…CO-SIGN!!!
TheAntiMe
March 19th, 2011
3:35 am
This garbage is really unacceptable. I would much rather see a Hawks team like the ones of several years ago where the players, in general, are more inexperienced with much fewer wins but actually gives it their best effort to win every night. I can live with a team that loses by 20 points if that team is giving it’s best effort but comes up on the short end because of a talent deficit.
On the other hand, it turns my stomach to watch a team that is far more talented than those Hawks teams of the past get their butts kicked by 20 points because they don’t feel the need to play defense and on offense they feel it’s just too much work to do anything other than hurl up long-range jumpers not caring that none of them are falling. Then, basically after every game we hear the same lame comments to the effect of: We know that we are a bunch of wusses and we should really stop being a bunch of wusses every single game.
Speaking of hurling, that’s exactly what this lazy team of disinterested players who couldn’t give less of a damn about playing hard on most every night makes me want to do – hurl!
TheAntiMe
March 19th, 2011
3:57 am
Team Jump Shot is the most apt yet funniest moniker ever…ever !
I totally agree, Grandad, “TJS” is definitely the best line of the season for this Hawks team.
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
March 19th, 2011
4:15 am
Grandad
March 19th, 2011
1:51 am
Mac-Town, Georgia
(urban-macon.blogspot.com)
How do you figure they choked?
You put I.Thomas on the Dawgs & they go to the final four. (perhaps)?
……………
I’m just tired of Atlanta and Georgia teams not performing well on the big stage….and Washington was horrible in the 1st half, not shooting the ball well and UGA was controlling the tempo and they couldnt put any real distance between them and the Huskies when they had the chance. They choked away that opportunity, and went on to lose the game. I do respect the fight at the end but, it was still a lost. The beat goes on smh.
SOMEBODY WIN SOMETHING!!!
superiorblogman
March 19th, 2011
4:15 am
Grandad you are a horrible scout of talent. You sound so much like Rick Sund sometimes that it is sickening. I liked what I saw of Bernard James against Texas A&M but I would not call him a beast. Festus Ezili of Vandy is not ready for pro ball I saw him against a bunch of undersized guys on Richmond and he did not dominate, he could not even get 10 boards against undersized guys. I have also seen Keith Benson’s name thrown around on this board and he does not play well against guys NBA sized or his own size. The draft is bad for big men. There are a couple but none of them have come up on this board, glad you guys are not scouts for the Hawks, or are you with some of these picks?
superiorblogman
March 19th, 2011
4:19 am
Bernard James averages 8 pts and 5 rebs in college but the scouting guru Grandad AKA Rick Sund has identified him as a beast, what a fool.
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
March 19th, 2011
4:20 am
I’d rather watch Damien and Teague give it all they have, than watching the core play without passion or common sense.
PG – Teague
SG – Joe
SF – Damien
PF – Smoove
C – Horford
starters
Adjusted to Losing
March 19th, 2011
4:39 am
We Suck, no heart, dumb owners/presidents… We SUCK!!! End of Story!!
EmirS.
March 19th, 2011
4:42 am
Wow.
tony
March 19th, 2011
4:53 am
I want to see this team succeed just as much as anyone but a coaching change has to be made this off season. We need to hire Bill Laimbeer to resurrect this team. He has on his resume that most do not…….CHAMPIONSHIPS! Give the man a chance to prove himself.
tony
March 19th, 2011
5:10 am
@Mac-Town, Georgia
(urban-
macon.blogspot.com)
In your starting lineup there are players(JJ/JS) that don’t use commonsense. As a matter of fact, one(JS) of them is the biggest CULPRIT in the nba.
Big Daddy
March 19th, 2011
6:00 am
We just had a good old fashioned butt whipping game last night. Miami came in and after the first 5 minutes took over the game. It was the LeBron James night. LeBron from the top of the key. LeBron from the wing. LeBron from the corner and it seems nobody on the coaching staff thought to double team this guy and get the ball out of his hands. On one play during a break it was like LeBron asked Jamal what was his good side for the poster he was going to be on.
It was one of the few times this year I felt the guys just really quit. I mean JJ, are you serious? It must be okay for LD to allow Smoove to stay outside and shoot jumper after jumper. Does anyone thing Popavich, A Johnson, Jackson or even Collins would let one of their bigs do that?
It’s like you said MC, “Not sure what there is to say that has not already been said”. Well, for one thing, the Detroit Pistons are not a good team so maybe we can get a win.
tony
March 19th, 2011
6:02 am
superiorblogman
March 19th, 2011
4:15 am
I have also seen Keith Benson’s name thrown around on this board and he does not play well against guys NBA sized or his own size. The draft is bad for big men. There are a couple but none of them have come up on this board, glad you guys are not scouts for the Hawks, or are you with some of these picks?
Keith Benson will be a decent pick up for the hawks. If he put on about 40lbs on that frame of he’s, he will have a decent nba career. Charles Barkley and other former nba players think highly of this young man.
I guess you were waiting for Keith to have a bad game so you will have a reason to degrade him. OK BIG SHOT……….what couple of 6′11 or 7′0 centers in this year’s draft class we should be scouting?
superiorblogman
March 19th, 2011
6:45 am
tony
March 19th, 2011
6:02 am
superiorblogman
March 19th, 2011
4:15 am
I have also seen Keith Benson’s name thrown around on this board and he does not play well against guys NBA sized or his own size. The draft is bad for big men. There are a couple but none of them have come up on this board, glad you guys are not scouts for the Hawks, or are you with some of these picks?
Keith Benson will be a decent pick up for the hawks. If he put on about 40lbs on that frame of he’s, he will have a decent nba career. Charles Barkley and other former nba players think highly of this young man.
I guess you were waiting for Keith to have a bad game so you will have a reason to degrade him. OK BIG SHOT……….what couple of 6′11 or 7′0 centers in this year’s draft class we should be scouting?
As for Keith Benson the guy played 4 years of college and did not get any better. You are still talking about a guy that needs to gain weight to be able to hold his on as a rotation player in the NBA. How is he any different than Jarvis Varnado who is the all time shot blocker in college. That was Varnado’s big issue also he needed to gain weight so now he is overseas. Yes, the Heat picked him but they had no use for him until he gets stronger. Like I said in a earlier post the guy will spend just as much time in the D League and overseas as the NBA.
We should be looking at 1 guy and 1 guy only Lucas Nogueira of Brazil. He is called Bebe. He is thought to be the best prospect from Brazil since Nene. Nene, Barbosa, Varejao, the books still out on Tiago Splitter but he has a chance to be a player. This guy is next in line. Below is a picture of him standing by Dwight Howard, he is a legit C. He has been described as Tyson Chandler with a jumpshot. There is no other big man worth a pick, but I am sure they will pick some D League candidate and you guys will jump for joy. With all of those legit C prospects that were available last year you guys are talking Keith Benson, what a joke. He got beasted by a 6″8 freshman and he is suppose to be someone to get excited about.
http://i55.tinypic.com/nh16c5.jpg
DJK
March 19th, 2011
6:57 am
Jeff Teague must start if you want Damain out there too that’s fine but he must start to effect the point guards on the other team. The other nite against Denver was tough with him having to play against both Lawson and Felton. But without him in the game effecting the tempo and now since Kurt can’t make open jumpers it is best to bring Kurt and Jamal off the bench to together with Marvin being the post presence against smaller small forwards. Kurt can’t push the ball for a face pace the offical SOS HELP SIGNS ARE UP EVERYWHERE!
DJK
March 19th, 2011
7:34 am
There is one more thing “SOFT”!!!!!! The Knicks kicked our butts, Denver kicked our butts, Chicago kicked out butts, Now Miami then if we win against Detroit everyone will act like everything is ok but it’s not because Chicago will be here on Tuesday so stay tuned to watch another 20 point loss. At least we are consistent with these blowout home losses. Oh yeah “Soft” people are taking their sons to see this STUFF! Completely unacceptable for professionals to look like a MCD all Amaerican team minus the ALL-AMERICANS. “SOFT” Watch out JUMPERS IN THE AIR LANDING ANYWHERE BUT IN THE HOOP!
tony
March 19th, 2011
7:40 am
superiorblogman, you are a joke young man. In my previous comments I’ve mentioned Jonas Valanciunas-c, Lucas Nogueira-c, Keith Benson-c, Tyler Zeller-c and Mike Tisdale-c.
You and I both know that the hawks that Jonas Valanciunas and Lucas Nogueiro will be off the board even if we had a 1st round pick. Lucas Nogueira could be a hot head like Josh Smith so I wouldn’t want him near our facilities.
I really like Tyler Zeller but I’m afraid he will stay in school which leaves up with Keith Benson. That 6′8 freshman you keep talking about could have done the same thing to any of those centers because he has a coach who knows how to attact their opponents.
Don’t give me that D-League crap because if they were good enough to play at the nba level they would not have been sent there in the 1st place. This league is about good coaching. Get the wrong coach your team is DOOM no matter who you draft. Hire Bill Laimbeer and he will make Keith Benson a star in this league.
Col. Angus
March 19th, 2011
8:17 am
There is absolutely nothing to be encouraged about with this team. They simply stink. They will most definitely fall to 6 in the east and probably 7th before the season ends. Look for a sweep in the first round and the season will fade into oblivion. Poor ownership, terrible front office and a coach that is only on the bench because he was a cheap choice. And no on the court leadership. I’ll take Horford and the rest of the team could be traded. This team is headed nowhere but down.
South Ga boy in the Atl
March 19th, 2011
8:21 am
What a dysfunctional bunch this has turned out to be ! I have no idea where to start on LD except to say he lost the team some time back. Josh is out of control. He doesn’t hustle and just makes one dumb pass after another or jacks up jumpers like he’s Reggie Miller. Oh but he will make one great pass or a fabulous steal and slam and everyone on this blog will forget the other 5 stupid chances he took to make one spectacular play. If Smoove were a bank, for every dollar he loaned out he would only ask for a “polished,” “brand new” dime to be payed back. So much for that headband changing Joe’s sorry game, and would someone please tell Jamal that he doesn’t increase his chances for a new fat contract based on how many shots he puts up no matter how cold he is. Good God. I know shooters keep shooting but Geez.
Jesse
March 19th, 2011
8:30 am
If LD would get mad and be a little bit more vocal with what he wants his players to do…. it might help. He’s too passive. If he had players who would listen, then he could be mellow, but these guys aren’t the Spurs.
DHD
March 19th, 2011
8:46 am
I have been a fan of the Hawks since Pogo Joe Caldwell, Sweet Lou Hudson, Bill Bridges, etc when they moved here from St Louis. TODAY, I declare…..not that anybody cares….I am DONE. I won’t follow another team, just DONE with this team and the NBA.
I cant decide
March 19th, 2011
8:52 am
I cant decide whether to laugh or cry. The idiots around the hawks have destroyed the team. From Sund down to Mike Cunningham. You Idiots havent got a clue. Time to rebuild, and do not rebuild with that center/pf who refuses to play defense. Trade horford while he has some value.!
I cant decide
March 19th, 2011
8:57 am
A symbol of the Hawks’ growth bit the dust Wednesday. Starting in the 2005-06 season, the Hawks had won more games than they had the previous season for five consecutive seasons, all under former coach Mike Woodson. They became the seventh team in NBA history to accomplish that feat, a fact that the team proudly trumpeted. However, the Hawks’ 102-87 loss to Denver on Wednesday was their 29th, matching their loss total for the 2009-10 season and ensuring the streak will stop at five.
It was their 16th loss by 10 or more points, which is more than they had in either of the past two seasons.
I cant decide
March 19th, 2011
9:00 am
Its woodsons fault, it bibbys fault it the guards fault it marvin williams fault.
did you ever stop to think that the hawks need a center? If you cant play under the basket you become a jump shooting team.
O'Brien
March 19th, 2011
9:19 am
Grandad,
Hawks do not have a first round draft pick this year. We traded it away for Hinrich.
O'Brien
March 19th, 2011
9:25 am
13 games left in the season, and the hawks lineup is still changing from game to game. Jj, Josh and al know They are going to start, but they never know which position. The bench players (except for Jamal ) never know when they are going to play.
That’s bad (IMO).
If I’m LD, I would not start Josh at SF anymore. That takes him away from the post on offense and defense
lp
March 19th, 2011
9:34 am
What other team out there change their starting line-up on a game by game basis. Nobody. Our offense is very predictable. Its worse than iso-joe. All the do is post up joe, josh, or al and everyone else just stands around. When is the last time we got an easy shot. At least iso-joe we have our best scorer getting the ball. How can a guy be all star only getting 8 shots. But this is what everyone wanted. The motion offense where everyone gets the ball. Honestly it seems like josh is the only one getting shots. Al he is okay, but you cant build around a post jump shooter with no moves. Al when in the post does the same move. If a double comes or someone is in his way, instead of passing to the open player he shoots anyway. The team needs a real coach period.
lp
March 19th, 2011
9:36 am
Michael Ray Richardson said it best “The ship be sinking”
Ken Sugiura
March 19th, 2011
9:56 am
@truhawk fan – gotta give it up to you. you are a diehard.
@superiorblogman – you’re entitled to your opinions, but let’s go easy on the namecalling. no sense in getting vicious with grandad, a long-time and respected member of this community, or anyone else for that matter.
from the last blog, props to ag. i called for predictions just before tip and ag said 106-82 and was pretty close on some other predictions. you can go back and look.
at the risk of sounding like an apologist, i’m not sure it’s entirely fair to be critical of drew for making lineup changes if you were calling for lineup changes a few weeks ago and ripping drew for not “shaking things up” as he indicated he would. i concede i don’t remember who said what, but that was the general tenor.
@ i can’t decide – how is this michael cunningham’s fault? i don’t think he’s really the problem here.
@ lp – the shot distribution is puzzling/mystifying. agreed.
cp
March 19th, 2011
9:59 am
Damien and Teague were the only guys who looked like they wanted to play last night. For whatever reason they caught a lot of flack on the last blog. The so called captains didnt bother to show up nor the 6th man of the year but the only two guys who showed up are called scrubs and terrible? Makes no sense but i know how this blog works. LD has terrible rotations and holds no one accountable. They should have been attacking bibby the moment he entered the game but LD didnt bother to do that until the game was out of reach. This team doesnt play smart and dont seem to care most nights.
ASG
March 19th, 2011
10:04 am
Listen. We pay LD less than any other coach in the league. We won’t have to pay for a 1st round pick next season and we won’t have to pay Jordan Crawford who is blowing up in D.C. All is good. Oh and we need to stop playing Teague so much that he will get a bigger contract.
terrell
March 19th, 2011
10:13 am
Been nice my fellow bloggers, but I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired. Holla at yall when the Playoffs start.
Fire LD.
tom
March 19th, 2011
10:16 am
This team is garbage and an absolute disgrace. Hawks fans have nothing to be proud of.
terrell
March 19th, 2011
10:18 am
Time to move Josh and Marvin, let Jamal go, and get a real coach. Later my people.
And I feel 4 ya Teague.
joe
March 19th, 2011
10:19 am
the hawks are pitiful, they are all just collecting a check. IF they make the playoffs, they will be 1 and done anyway. and management wonders why the attendance is low…… What a waste of time
drmaryb (*_-)
March 19th, 2011
10:21 am
Please respect my Grand-Daddy! He’s the best I ever had and he once coached High School ball. G-Daddy really knows this game and talent.
GD was a big proponent of Taigo Splitter this last draft and turns out he might be a player in this league. But, respect the man he’s a blessing to the blog. Hey, GDaddy call me later, we got 13 games left to choose from.
I have no idea what happened to my Hawks. The biggest thing I can point to is, a lot of moderate to serious injuries.
Surgery for Joe and spinal injuries to Al and Marvin.
Al is really, really banged up this year. His spine and 2 ankle sprains has taken the lift out of his legs. He came back way too soon as did Joe and Josh on all their ailments. We are worn down physically and are not very healthy. But, you don’t hear anyone complaining.
No rest for the weary, though. Maybe Coach can spell them a little in practices.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 19th, 2011
10:27 am
Mash Unit!
Injuries are not excuses, that’s a hard knock life and that’s real.
Basketball is a lot tougher to play, than it looks on TV.
Try it sometime and get back to me.
Last year, we had no injuries whatsoever. This year, yikes!
JeJe
March 19th, 2011
10:39 am
As I’ve said all along, Damien is the only guy on this team who cares.
Start him and Teague.
WTF is Hinrich doing?
Wabe
March 19th, 2011
10:46 am
Can’t wait till football season…
And we don’t even know when that’ll be.
prison mike
March 19th, 2011
10:48 am
I don’t understand why he waited to install teague until the team was 28 down. I want to support drew but he is nothing more than a slightly better offense minded coach than woody and notably worse defensively minded.
drmondo
March 19th, 2011
10:57 am
Let’s face it. Until there’s new ownership, this is what we’ll have to expect from the Hawks and Thrashers. Teams that are run as cheaply as possible with a notable lack of direction or plan. The Hawks will be the Buffalo Bills of the NBA- cheap coaches, poor drafts with an occasional run of luck (ala Marv Levy-bargain coach who turned out to be a great one). The players have talent but don’t respect the last 2 coaches because they could see that ownership didn’t know what they’re doing. The owners apply bandaids to problems instead of truly fixing them.
bigdave
March 19th, 2011
10:59 am
smh. keep talking about wanting to run.. wanting to push the ball. well who does he want doing that Josh? Al? was he not pleased w/ the uptempo play of Jeff when he started. the rebound was secured and we were off.. well, when our bigs decided to give up the rock and run the floor.
you want to play fast .. play Jeff..
MJC
March 19th, 2011
11:03 am
I love the people on here that come and react with “time to trade x, time to move y.” For what? Are y’all still pulling trades out your a***s like, “Let’s trade Marvin for LeBron!” Our biggest problem is finding a coach that will actually battle with the players.
Coach Mike Woodson
March 19th, 2011
11:34 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHAAH
TruthSeeker
March 19th, 2011
11:44 am
How many times have the Hawks been blown out at home this year? I bet not even the worst teams in the leagues have had as many lopsided home losses as Atlanta has.
Since the Hawks are not one of the worst teams in the league, the only conclusion you can draw is that they have many nights where they simply don’t show up.
Unless this team pulls a shocker against the Magic in the first round, Larry Drew needs to be canned. He’s not an NBA coach.
O'Brien
March 19th, 2011
11:45 am
Lets take a trip down memory lane. This was the blog on Feb 9, 2011 entitled “Good teams dont take ugly home L’s like this” .
So the next time the Hawks say something along the lines of “These things happen” (and we know they will), the retort should be: “No, they don’t. Not to ‘good’ teams.” MC.
Ironically, that sounds similar to what LD said. All teams go through struggles blah blah blah.
O'Brien
March 19th, 2011
11:46 am
http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2011/02/09/atlanta-hawks-good-teams-dont-take-ugly-home-ls-like-this/
JustAThought
March 19th, 2011
11:51 am
Like I have said before, we all know now why Woody had to “dog” this team into playing defense. None of these guys are defensive minded, LD knows this, but for whatever reason he won’t/can’t do the job.
tremaine
March 19th, 2011
12:03 pm
New lineup
C- Hilton
PF- Zaza
SF- Marvin
SG- Damien
PG- Teague
At least then we won’t have to wonder if the starters would come to play or not.
Grandad
March 19th, 2011
12:16 pm
O’Brien:
I know, which is why I only refer to 2nd round talent.
Grandad
March 19th, 2011
12:19 pm
Ken Sugiura;
Thanks for the having my back,
however, I’ll handle, Mr. superiorblogmanure.
You are much appreciated.
Jon
March 19th, 2011
12:19 pm
I think the Hawks should just forget this season and go for a better draft position, Oh yeah, they traded away their pick. Great decisions this year.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 19th, 2011
12:21 pm
790 The Zone!
The host made these comments pretty much verbatim:
There is only one way to create flexibility and turn this team around.
Joe is untradeable with 5 years left on his contract. Al is a cornerstone of this franchise to build around. That leaves the highlight factory himself, Josh Smith with 3 years and 11M to 12M per.
Several GM’s would love to have this guy coached by an elite coach who can control this guy. Josh being a home town guy is not something I really want to do, but what other option is there. Is Josh coachable? He is very inconsistent as a player.
Move him for a true PG and a true Center, like a Demarcus Cousins and that’s a great start for this team. Then go with Teague and Hinrich for the time being at PG until that can be addressed. IDK about Derrick Favors yet, Tyler Hansborough can’t help you at Center, he is a 3/4.
But see what can be done with Josh and Marvin, maybe you can get a NeNe. IDK if even he would be worth losing a Josh Smith though.
Or, find a great coach who can control Josh and develop his game furhter.
A caller called in and said, get a whip and chariot to run Sund out of here along with any move made.
___________________
I can’t argue too much with any of these statements, really.
(not proof read for typos)
HoosierHawk
March 19th, 2011
12:29 pm
THE HAWKS HAVE THE WORST FANS OF ANY PRO SPORTS TEAM IN AMERICA!!!! I was at the game last night, and I am not even exaggerating, 95% of the jerseys worn were Heat jerseys. This team frustrates me as well, but can you imagine playing a HOME game that feels like an away game? Terrible for the confidence of this team.
Hawks are 8th in payroll in the league, 5th seed in the east and 22ND IN ATTENDANCE IN THE LEAGUE! More people go see bottom feeders than the Hawks. I hate the owners too, but I would not drop a dime into a solid playoff team that has worse attendance than the golden state warriors, detroit pistons, toronto raptors, and other garbage teams.
AUG24
March 19th, 2011
12:34 pm
Same Excuses! “We lost focus!” “Need to come out with intensity!” This group can’t even get motivated. Never hire who the players’ want for the coach, LD! I saw this coming when we hired LD! They don’t play hard for LD. Fire Sund and LD! The fans are tired of watching this sorry excuse for a basketball team! How many HOME games are we going to lose? We are falling behind in HOME games by 30 points to good teams! This is unacceptable!
Col. Angus
March 19th, 2011
12:35 pm
ATL=Loserville, USA
JeJe
March 19th, 2011
12:44 pm
Brilliant idea by LD putting J.Smoove on LeBron. We know J.Smoove is a stellar perimeter defender!
I Believe In This Team
March 19th, 2011
12:50 pm
Its hard to keep this moniker. I still can’t believe we gave away JC2.
The fans complain about management and ownership. The ownership complains about the fans. The relationships surrounding this franchise continue to become more and more toxic.
I think we’re past blow it up/new coach discussions. ASG and well lets face it, the team by way of their performances, have so alienated their own fan base at this point I don’t see an NBA franchise in Atlanta much longer.
I’m not saying its easy to play in the NBA. I know each one of them is an incredibly talented athlete and it requires a serious commitment to play at that level. I know Rick Sund would rather win a championship than NOT win a championship (unless this is some sort of “The Producers” kinda thing) What I am saying is that whatever commitment is inside this franchise, just isn’t enough to be successful. They either lack effort or wisdom or both.
Love watching this team play well. When they do they are one of the most exciting teams in the NBA. And its not even the bad games that make it so excruciating to be a Hawks fan. Its that they have had exactly the same issue for three years now, and still have no answer for their lack of consistency.
HERE IS THE ANSWER: Play as hard as you can every night.
Why is that so hard? If the fanbase watched a team (and a front office!!!) make good decisions and really leave it all on the floor every night, a loss is just a loss instead of it being indicative of a lack of heart. You wouldn’t have to do all this soul searching.
Zombie Hawks… ?
Rashod
March 19th, 2011
12:51 pm
Where are all the Die Hard Joe Johnson fans !!! Joe Johnson Sucks @ all the people talking about his a top 5 SG,wake up.Need to go list =Joe Johnson,Rick Sund & Jamel Crawford.I know we should have traded Jamel at the trade deadline,but no the the younger,cheap Crawford = GM fault. Max Joe Johnson out = GM fault !!! His doing the same thing he did to the super sonics,destroying a Franchise !!!! Go Braves & Falcons
SALVADOR
March 19th, 2011
12:55 pm
IS LARRY DREW RETARDED?
AT THIS POINT OF THE 8 PLAYOFF TEAMS IN THE EAST THE HAWKS ARE ONLY BETTER THAN INDIANA, AND ALL OF THE OTHER 7 TEAMS HAVE BETTER COACHES.
LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE AHEAD IS EASY TO PREDICT THAT THE HAWKS ARE GOING TO LOSE 8 MORE GAMES THAN LAST YEAR AND PROBABLY WILL FINISH 44-38.
IT IS TIME TO REBUILD THIS TEAM!!!!!
Col. Angus
March 19th, 2011
12:55 pm
This city has suffered through garbage season after garbage season for 30+ years. The only team in town that consistently played respectably was the Braves in the 90’s. The Hawks and Falcons occasionally have good seasons. Face it – the fans in this town have nothing much to be proud of in their teams. It’s not convenient to go downtown to a game and downtown Atlana ain’t much. Put all together, and this is why our fan base is what it is.
Harpie
March 19th, 2011
1:10 pm
ScrewDrew – and, Josh, too! Those two are the ruination of this team!
playmeortrademe
March 19th, 2011
1:18 pm
i don’t even watch the Hawks on a regular basis but the problems is, and always has been since ‘Nique, is that the Hawks have had ZERO superstars year in and year out.
Joe Johnson – solid all-star, NOT a superstar, Al Horford, solid PF, NOT a superstar
Josh Smith had the athletic gifts to be a superstar but he’s not right in the head still
and to the idiot Billy Knight who thought Marvin Williams deserved a #2 pick after a year at UNC….Marvin Williams will NEVER be a superstar.
Hawks have to blow it up and hope they get lucky in the draft, or make shrewd trades, over the next few years. This bunch peaked with their first round win over the Heat two years ago.
ag
March 19th, 2011
1:19 pm
Thanks Ken, but like I saw another blogger, the Hawks are going to destroy the Pistons and everything will appear good. Take a look at Tyler Hansbrough from the Pacers. He sucked last year and pretty much this uyear because he was getting spot minutes. Now, he is playing well.
Teague played 44 munutes against the Trailblazers, 37 minutes vs Heat and Denver. If the Hawks were not getting blown out, he would not have played against the Heat. Again, coach, what message are you sending your point guard… you have to trust him in the good times and the bad. When he is not shooting well, he is doing the other things – like holding down the other PG’s. Just start that kid and what happens, happens….
Marvin is looking very aggressive off the bench. I don’t mind him shooting because he is looking very confident with his shots. I still think Marvin minutes should be PF and SF. Wilkins is one of the smartest players and he needs run too. Twin is a waste and give his minutes to Hilton.
One thing about coaching, you have to make adjustments, but the best part of coaching, you make them make adjustments to you. I said before the game, I would have taken a page out of the Celtic’s play book and run Teague and LeBron. He could not drive past him, and would have to shoot over the top. I would have given him so many different looks to try to confuse him. Joe was very effective in the post, and would have continued to milk that cow along with Josh. Josh should be plastered under the basket until he finds his shot.
My favorite player began to struggle once they blitzed from his left (Vick) and other teams picked up on it. The coaches that did not make the adjustments (Giants), got burned. When LeBron was hot, adjustments should have been made.
Lastly, we should make teams adjust to us. We need to be a running, quick team and make teams adjust. If Miami wanted to start Dampier, we should have run them out the building. Also with Horford shooting J’s on the offensive end, Josh and Joe should be there to crash the boards.
Even when we play the Magic, run, run, and run. That should be our style to get easy baskets. That is what we do best. I cannot figure Jamal out, but hey, when he is hot, ride the tide, when he is cold, put his butt on the bench.
ag
March 19th, 2011
1:25 pm
As a Hawk fan, they have always struggled with attendance. We had a superstar and we still struggled. (Lou Hudson, Pistol Pete, D. Wilkins), we had several good teams and we still struggled. Yet, the ownership last year showed us NO COMMITMENT TO WIN. We watched Chicago, Miami, Boston, etc get better and we sign Josh Powell. The only thing worse than bringing Woody back was to get his assistant. LD needs to be fired ASAP! I think the fans will come out then… I would. I went to my only game only after the Hinrich trade. Now, they have to make a change at coach.
Harpie
March 19th, 2011
1:29 pm
Send Drew to Timbuktu!
bigdave
March 19th, 2011
1:33 pm
what is the infatuation w/ Al Horford? i honestly feel we’d be better w/ Joakim Noah.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 19th, 2011
1:37 pm
“but can you imagine playing a HOME game that feels like an away game? Terrible for the confidence of this team.”
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Perhaps the players can pool their monies and buy the entire 100’s level seats and fill them with their fans or some warm bodies from throughout the city.
Empty the school houses, nursing homes, Marvin’s Grandma and all her crew, the grocery stores and churches. Pay these people to wear their jerseys and chant boldly, loudly and proudly: MVP MVP every time Joe touches the ball. I imagine Joe can afford to do this himself.
Whether this is prudent or not? It is a solution. Then, ‘Team Jump Shot’
quiet he who is taunting them by demonstrating:
My fake fans shout louder than yours!
_______________
I’m just sayin’, stop with the poor millionaires don’t have any fans top help them. Be professional and do your damned jobs, stop b!tching worse than little girls and display your craft. Earn your pay and give it all you got!
Like Joe said, “regardless if the fans show up or not, it’s about the players I’m that locker room!”
(not proof read)
drmaryb (*_-)
March 19th, 2011
1:52 pm
Resee’s Pieces!
Look at what Melo forced the Nuggets to do? Improve – period.
The sum of the parts they received for one guy has pushed them to near elite status.
Now, I know Josh can’t bring us that many pieces back, but if we can get that true PG, that Josh wants to be? Then oblige him. Try to get a good big too. We just are so duplicitous at every position, we need at best one of each position filled, right now, our starters are the best bench the NBA has ever seen!
The Truth
March 19th, 2011
2:02 pm
James play-by-play that led to another embarrassing defeat:
START OF 1ST QUARTER (12:00)
JAMES IS GUARDED BY JOSH SMITH
James 3pt Shot: Made (3 PTS) Assist: Chalmers (2 AST) 07:12
James Jump Shot: Made (5 PTS) Assist: Wade (1 AST) 04:45
James Running Layup Shot: Made (7 PTS) Assist: Wade (2 AST) 03:49
James Fade Away Jumper Shot: Made (9 PTS) 01:53
James Running Layup Shot: Made (11 PTS) Assist: Chalmers (4 AST) 01:32
James Jump Shot: Made (13 PTS) 00:23.2
START OF 2ND QUARTER (12:00)
Williams Substitution replaced by Smith, now guarding James 06:54
James Jump Shot: Made (15 PTS) Assist: Bibby (3 AST) 06:12
Crawford Substitution replaced by Wilkins, now guarding James 06:04
James 3pt Shot: Made (18 PTS) 05:29
James Turnover: Lost Ball (2 TO) Steal:Wilkins (1 ST) 04:44
James Free Throw 1 of 2 (19 PTS) 01:07
James Free Throw 2 of 2 (20 PTS) 01:07
IN SUMMARY: James abused Josh Smith in the 1st and 2nd quarters scoring 15 points. He scored 2 points against Marvin late in the 2nd quarter and made a 3 pointer against Damien. However, after Damien caused a TO against James, his scoring dropped to only making a pair of FT near the end of the half. It was obvious that Damien affected James scoring in the first half.
During half time, you would expect LD to make the necessary adjustments after observing the first half but he did not. Instead, he started the 2nd half the same way he started the 1st, with the same lineup.
START OF 3RD QUARTER (12:00)
JAMES IS (STILL) GUARDED BY JOSH SMITH
James Jump Shot: Made (22 PTS) Assist: Wade (4 AST) 10:17
James 3pt Shot: Made (25 PTS) Assist: Wade (5 AST) 07:41
James 3pt Shot: Made (28 PTS) Assist: Bosh (3 AST) 06:47
James Jump Shot: Made (30 PTS) 06:05
James 3pt Shot: Made (33 PTS) Assist: Bibby (4 AST) 05:42
James Running Jump Shot: Made (35 PTS) Assist: Bibby (5 AST) 04:36
At this point, Miami has a 30 point lead with score 72- 42 with 04:36 min left in the 3rd quarter. The game is officially over and it is now garbage time. LD finally decides to substitute Smith with Wilkins now to guard James.
This is yet another example of LD slow to respond coaching pattern. He publicly tried to CYA by stating that James was also scoring against Damien but when that happened, it was mostly during garbage time. LD also never doubled or trebled team James. He just sat and watched James go one-on-one having his way abusing Josh while looking clueless. He never took a defense page out of the Heat play book to doubled or trebled team James the same way the Heat did to JJ and it worked.
I swear I thought it was Woody coaching on the sideline as he had the same coaching pattern last year.
Starrman
March 19th, 2011
2:04 pm
LD, you sound good on paper but you have lost complete control of this team.Josh Smith is the most direspectful player in Hawks history.Al Horford seem to have quit too lately.All three guys you picked as Captains can’t lead someone out a wet paper bag.I know you are afraid to play the Teagues, Armstrongs, because the 7 Broke Dwarfs are watching.You show no emotions JJ.MW and the teams is boring.Joe Johnson we are a jump Shooting Team Boy Please
darrell starks
March 19th, 2011
2:05 pm
I have never said this, but AL THE BOST MAN is more like AL THE SOFT MAN the guy have no preents as a big man what so ever lately, the team is a reflection of the coach as being soft.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
March 19th, 2011
2:06 pm
THIS IS EVERY GAME ALMOST.
HEAT 50 REBOUND HAWKS 27
HOW SOFT IS THAT.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
March 19th, 2011
2:10 pm
LD still get caught up in this substituting OFFENSE FOR DEFENSE, he think offense all the time WITH NO DEFENSE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandad
March 19th, 2011
2:21 pm
Yawl know the difference between Joe Johnson & Superiorblogmanure?
One has a low basketball IQ, the other one can’t spell IQ.
Grandad
March 19th, 2011
2:46 pm
Hawks should trade Joe:
*[I disagree about his contract being untradeable]
**(David Kahn is still the GM in Minnesota) *** Rubio + pick or picks
**** Joe to Cleveland for Varejao + Antawn Jamison
Josh for a Big (true Big) before he loses his bounce.
*[PHX for Gortat + picks] * PHX two high 1st rounders.
* Marvin * can be filler in either trade. * [Cavs]
—or—
Trade Marvin for a 6 pack of tube socks.
JeJe
March 19th, 2011
2:52 pm
The F’ing Timberwolves almost won against the Lakers in LA. We didn’t compete against them either game
Good job LD
JeJe
March 19th, 2011
2:56 pm
The Rockets beat the Celtics by 16 at home without Scola.
We lost by 30 at home to the Celtics
James
March 19th, 2011
3:01 pm
Hawks just don’t have the talent to beat the best teams in the NBA point blank.
SteveW
March 19th, 2011
3:30 pm
I know we have nagging injures. And I thought we played well thru JJ, Mo, Jamal, and Marvin’s injuries at the first of the year. The Celtics have been decimated by injuries. Chicago, a 41-41 team last sesaon, has played long stretches without Noah and Boozer. Even Miami lost pieces 4 and 5 for them in Mike Miller and Udonis (still out).
But they all keep winning.
Al and Josh have moved away from the basket so they don’t take the pounding.
JJ doesn’t do much of anything anymore.
This is all about coaching. Coaching is not just about X and O’s, but about how to handle your players, rotations etc.
And Coach Drew has lost this team. If he gets it back, great, let’s win in the playoffs.
If not, we are just waiting for him to resign or be fired. Quickly.
When Bibby and Mo were playing terrible for weeks on end, his solution was to play them more.
When Teague plays well, his solution is to play him less.
When Josh disrespects him, his solution is to baby Josh.
Do the math people. Since the middle of January or so, even with JJ’s little hot streak, we’ve been losing ugly. 41 to the Hornets
34 to the Sixers – both at home
25 or so to the Lakers
21 to the Heat
I don’t know how many to Chicago at Chicago
15 to the Nuggets
Our +/- is lottery pick territory for the last 30 games. We stink. LD has sunk the ship. No one else.
LD’s job is to make Josh acountable or jerk him out. Get his attention.
Same with JJ and Josh.
He gets 1.5m no matter what. I’m sure he’s just waiting for the call
J from the A
March 19th, 2011
3:36 pm
Re: Trading one of our “stars” for the necessary pieces
It will be very difficult to get great value in return for Joe.
That leaves Al and Josh. Both are relatively young, very solid players with reasonable contracts.
Some say Al is the cornerstone of this team, so that leaves Josh.
I am beginning to wonder if Al is SOFT (some say, the entire Hawks squad is soft, but Al might be like Charmin Ultra Soft).
Might the Hawks do better trading Al for a starting-quality Center plus a 6th man like talent?
(Is the PG position really one of the Hawks biggest needs? Teague coming along + Hinrich gives the Hawks an above-average duo.)
Al may fetch better value than Josh (though I think Josh should be able to fetch real good value).
If the Hawks need to get tougher, especially down low, it seems like Al should be moved before Josh.
Not really advocating moving either … just think about the hypothetical aloud.
J from the A
March 19th, 2011
3:38 pm
The number 1 priority for the Hawks (looking forward) is to get a real coach.
LD just is not cutting it.
lukas
March 19th, 2011
3:38 pm
I am a Horford fan, but this time i have to agree with Darrell Starks and Big Dave: what the H*** is wrong with him?? he is not even the shadow of the BOSS he was in his 1st 2 years. Charles Oakley, Antonio Davis, Kevin Willis, a poor Karl Malone was his projection; now he is becoming another SOFT, jump shooting, big man! He is our own version of Chris bosh, only not that offensively talented, with better defense (when he choose to play defense).
I don’t think his problem is in the lack of size, or his lack of post moves. His 1ry problem is that he has become convinced that, since he is a 2-time all star, he can decide where to play and how to play: He doesn’t want to play center anymore!!! he can dominate 75% of the centers in this league but he doesn’t want to. He can be a top 5 rebounding force but he doesn’t want to, because he would have to bang downlow at defense. He only wants to be at the periphery on offense, just like Charlie Villanueva!!
Another problem that he may have is that the desire to win and the competitive fire may be gone after 4 years of a lousy team atmosphere. To play defense, rebound, and shut down your oponent at this level you have to be motivated all the time, either by positive or negative reinforcement. If ATL is going nowhere this year, already went to the all star game, signed a contract, and the coach does not demand respect, why bother when no one else does?
He still is my favorite player, but all those jump shots and the “let me watch how every body goes to the rim without even attemp to alter the shot” is getting in my nerves. I want him to be Karl Malone, not Charlie Villanueva.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
3:44 pm
“AT THIS POINT OF THE 8 PLAYOFF TEAMS IN THE EAST THE HAWKS ARE ONLY BETTER THAN INDIANA”
I wouldn’t go that far. Indiana just beat Chicago at home and have a solid 8-man rotation right now.
If someone were to say the Hawks were the weakest team in the playoff field, I’d have a hard time disagreeing with them at this point.
superiorblogman
March 19th, 2011
4:10 pm
Tyler Zeller is a joke that corny looking sorry boy well never be a rotation player in the Pros. He is barely a rotation player in college. He can’t finish and averages nowhere near 10 rebounds in college and is listed at 7ft. That is the definition of a bum
superiorblogman
March 19th, 2011
4:20 pm
Ken keep my name off your fingers. Grandad insults me and you say nothing boy, move on. Grandad good to see you made it to see another day, don’t kill your wife with all that viagra. Hawks suck, only if I could be owner for a day. By Sund, by Josh, Marvin, and Zaza.
superiorblogman
March 19th, 2011
4:26 pm
“I’m exhausted. I mean totally and completely exhausted right now. I think we all are.”
—Josh Smith on the wear and tear that has been this season.
Excerpt from Josh Smith after getting beat by Miami. I hate his guts just as much as LD and Sund
Jae Evolution
March 19th, 2011
4:30 pm
Does this team really need a superstar? You look at the Celtics do they have a superstar, look at the Spurs do they have a superstar? No
They have former superstars that now know how to play as a team share the ball, make open shots, attack. I don’t really want to compare this sorry excuse for a team to the best in the L like the Spurs and Celtics, but their roster shows a point to be had, it really isn’t essential to have one go to guy. These Hawks have to learn to play unselfishy and I’m not sure this current roster will ever become that. Our 3 best players are their own worst enemies, Josh Smith is too selfish, Al Horford is too unselfish, and Joe Johnson is too indecisive. That needs to change within the next 3 weeks, and I doubt it will happen so I see a first round exit on it’s way. Whether this team is blown up from a sweep in the first round, something needs to happen this offseason.
lp
March 19th, 2011
4:37 pm
I’m still down with Joe, the problem is the offense, i see complaints about his scoring output, but no one breaks down the shots. Its like looking at the box score seeing 9 points and saying Joe sux. The offense get joe the ball in the post, around screens at the free throw line, and the occasional backdoor pass that worked before teams made adjustments. I know this and im just a fan. All places are very easy to double. Joe barely tries to take the double team, he usually passes. If we had someone on the team who could drive and kick shots would come easier. we have that but the coach doesnt use it. If we had at least a Scott Skiles type of coach we would be 100% better. I hope Rick Sund takes this as a learning experience, you get what you pay for.
lewis
March 19th, 2011
4:51 pm
Josh and Al are saving their legs in hopes of being traded to a team that has a chance of winning in the playoffs, not a team of 3 solid players surrounded by mediocre vet minimums due to the lowered cap and burden of Joe’s contract. Josh knows with the way he plays he only has one more sizeable contract coming.
Rev in Tampa
March 19th, 2011
4:53 pm
I hated that I had to miss the Miami game. In my mind this was THE pivotal game for the Hawks. If the Hawks couldn’t pull it together for the Heat then I don’t know if they will be able to pull it together for the rest of the season; not to mention the playoffs. Without a new head coach I believe that the Hawks, as they are currently constructed, have hit the ceiling for their potential and are REGRESSING.
How does a professional team in any sport not know the recipe for winning this late in the season??? By this point even a team with a losing record should know why they are losing!!!
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
5:08 pm
In 2 yrs this team will be out of the playoff picture……………………
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
5:09 pm
Josh for Rudy Gay
Al for NeNe
Marvina for Monique Minor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5 years ago………LOL
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
5:10 pm
Marvin Who?????
JC1,kick rocks along with Sund and LD aint got a clue…………………………………………..
Waive Marvin.
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
5:16 pm
“Yawl know the difference between Joe Johnson & Superiorblogmanure?
One has a low basketball IQ, the other one can’t spell IQ.
Whats Sund excuse then??? Or better yet Dubuya’s???????????? Marrying cousins??????????
ant banks
March 19th, 2011
5:25 pm
JORDAN CRAWFORD has been goin’ the f_ck off in washington. dude hit 25 pts again last night. we done effed up by lettin’ him go.
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
5:29 pm
looks like the Heimlich manuever is a bust???? JC2 is balling now that he got the heck out this clueless organization????? Wow!!
ant banks
March 19th, 2011
5:35 pm
THE LAST 5 GAMES JC2 STAT LINE IN PTS: 25, 27, 12, 16, 22. HE IS AVG. 20 PTS/GM.
we coulda kept him and traded jc1 for a big, maybe. we woulda got somethin’ for jc1, instead of lettin’ him walk this summer, cause he ain’t worth the 10mil/per.
superiorblogman
March 19th, 2011
5:46 pm
Hinrich is a joke. He and Larry Drew combine to hold Teague back and go 5-8 together. Bibby was better for this team than Kirk. The Hawks organization is a joke. The Hawks blogosphere is a joke. No one can be truthful, guys all around trying to feed themselves fake hope. I am going to start me a Hawks blog within the next couple of months and show you jokes how to do it.
Sleepy
March 19th, 2011
6:23 pm
@ Jae Evolution – former superstars are still better than never will be superstars . having multiple players whove made all nba teams makes a difference .
Amare and Melo are ALL NBA caliber players not simply all star reserves
Our top 3 players do not play there best ball consistently enough for all 3 to remain our top players.
Thats what the knicks were thinking they gave up Felton Chandler,Gallinari a big all who may one day make an all star team but they will never be ALL NBA caliber players.
Thats essentially what we gambled on with Josh and Al and we lost .
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
6:34 pm
“We as a human race have not been able to find a cure for cancer as a whole.”
Check out this little known bit of info. Roughly 90 yrs ago Dr. Royal Raymond Rife discovered a cure for cancer based on the use of frequencies! Is that right??? Yes that”s right!! He was a genius!!! At the time he was well know as the man who cured cancers! The powers that be frowned on him because you cant rip people off who know the truth!!!! Look up the “rife machine” and gain some knowledge you’ll never learn in school, class dismissed………………………….Pass it on………….The technology is on the come back…………I thought this was the real 21st century? Then why are we 80-100 years behind where we should be????????????? DuH…………………….
mykhalc
March 19th, 2011
6:36 pm
this group of players (not a team) is simply tired of playin’ with and for each other…PERIOD!!! and add low/no BB IQ on top of that and this is what it looks like!!! and when you add that there is NO leader ANYWHERE to be found…then…well we all have said ’cause we all have seen it!!! no mystery here folks!! KA BOOM PLEASE!!! ASAP
mykhalc
March 19th, 2011
6:38 pm
well we all have said it ’cause we all have seen it!!!
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
6:43 pm
Ld lost this team weeks ago…………..The schedule had something to do with that.. I said weeks ago the real Hawks would be put to the test!!! Their schedule would become the most difficult in the east..
That said instead of them figuring this out they just played like its no big deal and got their azz handed to them at 6-12 in the last 18 with four weeks left for more beat downs and an embarrassing 1st round playoff exit to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!………………………..
Sund kick rocks buster………………………………….
mykhalc
March 19th, 2011
6:51 pm
we still got 4 weeks of this $hit left??? please tell me that ain’t so…
drmaryb (*_-)
March 19th, 2011
7:05 pm
You Are What You Eat!
I would address the teams nutritional regimen to improve their overall stamina, strength and to help them reach optimal peak performance.
I wonder if to a man, they eat garbage quality foods.
will
March 19th, 2011
7:10 pm
J.Johnson, I cannot get over that they gave this dude $20 million dollars a yr.
What the “F ” was ASG thinking. M. Westbrook of OKC, is a superstar and he doesn’t
make near the money J.Johnson makes and Johnson is average at best. Has no will or leadership at all. Garbage!!!!!
SteveW
March 19th, 2011
7:13 pm
The Hawks are -51 in 9 games played in March. That’s -5.67 ppg.
That’s worse than Minnesota, New Jersey, and Toronto’s season averages.
We are 3-6 in those 9 games.
Josh is shooting 41.1% from the field and 28.6% from the three point line in March.
This after Josh shooting 20% from the 3 point line in Feb.
SteveW
March 19th, 2011
7:19 pm
As has been noted, we are 6-12 in our last 18 games.
10 of those games have been at home.
We have been outscored by 108 points in those 18 games.
Dept. of Unintended Irony
March 19th, 2011
7:24 pm
richbrave,
Congrats to your Spiders! Sweet Sixteen.
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
7:39 pm
ISO Joe makes 200k per night??????????? Are you kidding me?????????? The fans deserve a refund………………………Shoot……………………
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
7:40 pm
I’m watching my pick to win the tournament, the San Diego State Aztecs (note: I didn’t watch much college basketball this year), right now, and all I can think of watching them is that they play exactly how the Hawks should play. An athletic team that is constantly moving off the ball and creating scoring opportunities moving towards the basket and in transition.
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
7:42 pm
Naw, Al,Josh,Marvin and ISO= the “Three Stooges” plus one…………LOL
Al for NeNe………….
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
7:43 pm
@ Najeh
Dream on my friend…LOL!
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
7:45 pm
Josh for Rudy Gay yesterday…………….
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
7:49 pm
Next time I watch the Hawks play on the big screen, I may hit the mute button so not to be annoyed by that play by play nasal guy who knows it all and makes a ton of mistakes calling the game..Just brutal man………………………….
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
7:55 pm
Rudy is light years more polished then Josh will ever be……………..He was drafted higher for a reason…..
Sautee
March 19th, 2011
8:06 pm
Najeh sweating bullets.
Sautee
March 19th, 2011
8:08 pm
myk,
“we still got 4 weeks of this $hit left??? please tell me that ain’t so…”
Only if you CHOOSE to, my friend.
O'Brien
March 19th, 2011
8:16 pm
Rev,
From reading the postgame quotes, and listening to LD’s post game, the Hawks know why they are losing.
LD goes over the issues with them at the start of every game and at half-time of every game (rebound, get out and run, don’t settle for jump shots). But for some reason, during the game, the players don’t do it, and LD can’t make them do it.
Jae Evolution,
I don’t really want to compare this sorry excuse for a team to the best in the L like the Spurs and Celtics,.
Why not? Rick Sund compared the Hawks to the Spurs earlier this year.
Mykhalc,
this group of players (not a team) is simply tired of playin’ with and for each other…PERIOD.
They probably have different reasons, but I think JJ, Josh, Al and Jamal are all fed up. Maybe they are fed up with each other, maybe they are fed up with the coach, maybe they are fed up with ownership…but either way, I agree with you.
And it starts with our leadership. HC, and 3 captaints.
Sautee
March 19th, 2011
8:19 pm
O’B,
co-sign.
Rashod
March 19th, 2011
8:22 pm
It look like Me & Will are the only Hawks fan that see that Joe Johnson Sucks really bad.When will you’ll see that he sucks nuts?After five more years of nothing.Get real,9 points are nine points.They can sign me to the min & i can get 9 points.If anybody still think Joke Johnson is good,then your a loser just like him.Punks
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
8:23 pm
“Najeh sweating bullets.”
Haha… literally since the very second I posted that message, they have looked like sh-t.
I only got $10 on them though, so not a huge deal. My brackets are always f-cked by the time the Elite 8 rolls around anyway.
Rashod
March 19th, 2011
8:24 pm
By RASHOD AKA SAND
Sautee
March 19th, 2011
8:25 pm
me too, Najeh.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
8:25 pm
LOL @ “captaints”. I don’t know if that was intentional or not, but it should be.
mykhalc
March 19th, 2011
8:26 pm
yo Sautee, well i pretty much don’t choose too!!!
i refused to turn on the game last nite for all but to see the half-time score. as posted, i watched my hard drive defrag for more enjoyin’ entertainment!! LOL
Sautee
March 19th, 2011
8:27 pm
What was that about “taints”?
mykhalc
March 19th, 2011
8:27 pm
enjoyable
mykhalc
March 19th, 2011
8:29 pm
@O’Brien…yep i agree. i thin Al’s breakin’ point was the CHI game in ATL. that’s the last we’ve seen of him!! everybody else was AWOL waaaayyyy before that game!!! KA BOOM PLEASE!!!
mykhalc
March 19th, 2011
8:29 pm
think
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
8:31 pm
Josh Powell’s Twitter feed has some pretty solid unintentional comedy. Every day he retweets someone who says he’s their favorite player. How many people can there possibly be on this planet for whom Josh Powell is their favorite player? I wonder if he just creates extra Twitter accounts so he can tweet compliments at himself.
Sautee
March 19th, 2011
8:31 pm
Al borrowed Marvin’s invisibility cloak. It seems to fit him well lately.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
8:33 pm
According to Ken Sugiura’s latest article…
It was a strong message to send. However, after the team reconvened after the break, team officials found it necessary to post copies of an AJC blog in the locker room with Johnson’s comments highlighted to make sure teammates got it.
Maybe they should start posting some of the comments from this blog in the locker room, or better yet the DASG’s boardroom. They can start with every comment by slimjr, JeJe, and Worldwide Clyde.
Sautee
March 19th, 2011
8:33 pm
Najeh,
12 year old NC State fans, I guess.
Close call but you’re still standing.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
8:35 pm
My Aztecs live to fight another round. They better step it up on D next game. I would like to finish in the top 5 of a bracket pool for once in my life.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
8:36 pm
Oh yeah, and start posting vava74’s comments in LD’s room and on Jamal Crawford’s locker.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
8:38 pm
But the problems, and the Hawks’ difficulties in correcting them, perhaps point to a more fundamental issue revealed in how Johnson’s declaration was communicated.
Said forward Josh Smith, “I think that we’re afraid to hurt people’s feelings.”
A flipside to one of the Hawks’ greatest strengths — that players genuinely like each other and enjoy being around one another — may also be holding them back at this crucial juncture. While team co-captains Smith, Johnson and center Al Horford have leadership qualities, a willingness to hold teammates accountable for their effort and performance doesn’t come naturally to any of them.
Damn, I would have loved to see the Hawks get Ben Wallace at the trade deadline.
N.D.T.K.A.
March 19th, 2011
8:48 pm
If the coach cannot make them play then he should take them out of the game!! Which means it is still his fault! This guy should have never been hired!! This was a bad experiment and now the team and fans suffer!!
The reason the Jordan Crawford trade was not bad is because you need a real coach to allow the young guys to play. Teague is barely getting minutes as it is and playing well. Drew and his staff are not going to develop any players no matter the talent. The only players that would start for the Hawks under Drew’s or formerly Woody’s staff are lottery picks and basically no dramatic developement takes place.
The addage goes you get what you pay for. The ASG will not hire a proven, quality NBA caliber coach who will develop, demand, and take the team to task. And coaches like these(Byron Scott, Avery Johnson, Jerry Sloan) are not coming to Atlanta with this ownership group because they no the ownership is about making a profit and not winning a title.
BTW San Diego State looked pretty good tonight, they may make the final four!!
mykhalc
March 19th, 2011
8:53 pm
“I think that it’s going to start happening, that guys are going to start policing each other more and holding each other accountable,” Smith said. “When we do that, that’s when we’re going to reach elite status.”
did he just use the word elite in regards to the Hawks!!??? WTF!!! PLEASE put the pipe down and step away!!! an emergency intervention is badly needed for this group!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
9:21 pm
Wow. The end of this Butler-Pittsburgh game just featured two of the dumbest fouls I have ever seen in my life.
bigdave
March 19th, 2011
9:32 pm
looks like Mike Bibby will be handed the keys to that Ferrari w/ the Dade County tag..
Chalmers was just carried off the court w/ a non-contact knee injury..
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
9:56 pm
Bibby got 14 pts tonight……Miami up by 9 with 1:14 left…
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
9:58 pm
JC1 for JR Smith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!All day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He’s got 28 off the bench and just drilled a trey in Wade’s neck…
slimjr
March 19th, 2011
10:03 pm
Afraid to hurt feelings????Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MARVINA REALLY HAS RUBBED OFF YOU GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
O'Brien
March 19th, 2011
10:20 pm
“captaints” was a Freudian slip
But that is what they should be called.
Another issue with the accountability is if players wont do it, the HC has to do it. But LD was their therapist when Woody was here, and he has not shown any accountability either. So there is no leadership on the sidelines, and there is no leadership on the court.
I’ll say this again. I know its drastic, but I think LD should strip all 3 captaints, and give Kirk the position. Captain Kirk already has a ring to it, and I think he would be less concerned about hurting feelings, plus I like when the captain is a PG, since he is supposed to be an extension of the HC on the court.
SteveW
March 19th, 2011
10:24 pm
I could buy this whole injury deal except:
1) I’m watching the team implode. I’m not watching a well coached, disciplined team following the coach’s game plan, but just coming up short because of injuries. I’m watching total disregard for the Coach and his game plan by most of the team.
And that is the Coach’s fault for allowing it usually.
2) I’m also watching perplexing substitution patterns, especially as the season has worn on, but really throughout the season. A substitution pattern that makes no sense, and predictably to almost every Hawk fan, puts in a position to lose.
I mean, we all groan when Jamal comes in at point. We know we are about to digress. Doesn’t LD?
So that’s why I don’t buy the injury excuse. I thought we played well until about the midway point of the season with injuries.
But I think that was just hold over from last year. The further away we get from last season, the more confused and chaotic we have become.
And BTW – the typo “Bibbly” was classic, can’t remember who did it a few posts up!
superiorblogman
March 19th, 2011
10:33 pm
Hawks suck. You bloggers are inferior to me
Grandad
March 19th, 2011
10:34 pm
Mr Sprblgmanure:
You started it. So I reckon it’s on. heh, heh.
You referred to me as an “old idiot”.
I can live with that.
How do you cope with being a racist bigot?
Furthermore, you come on a basketball blog,
spouting nonsense while seemingly posing
as a hoops master.
Yet, in reality you’re no more than a kibitzer.
Given my age and experience, I’m the real doyen.
Now, who’s the idiot?
SteveW
March 19th, 2011
10:44 pm
Inferior – Didn’t you sign off this blog a few days ago and say you were going to go work on the problems of the world?
Bye Bye
Jae Evolution
March 19th, 2011
10:45 pm
Good article about our transformation from one of the best offenses to one of the worst…
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/03/19/statscube-the-demise-of-the-hawks/?ls=iref:nbahpt1
SteveW
March 19th, 2011
10:45 pm
Inferior – And you can go work on that other blog your starting now. Come tell us when your thru. And then stay on that blog, if you have enough time between working for world peace, world hunger and the like, all the while being a racist.
Weird
Booo!
March 19th, 2011
10:49 pm
Well Kirk is gonna have to be captian from either the SG spot or the bench because Jeff Teague is our starting Point guard from now on im my mind…..besides Horford is the real Captain and we all know it.
Wilkins and Teague need to start. Teague, Joe, Wilkins, Josh, Horford
and I really hope LD is contemplating putting Josh on the bench. I thought he was growing up but apparently Smooves shot selection last year yeas a result of a better coach (Woodson….ugh) putting his foot down.
Fire Drew, hire Lambieer.
SteveW
March 19th, 2011
10:54 pm
From Hoopinion:
“Congratulate everyone who answered “three games later” when asked “When will Jeff Teague fall out of the rotation again following his excellent performance against Portland?”
Sigh
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
10:55 pm
If being inferior means I don’t think paying Andris Biedrins $27 million over the next three years is a good idea, I hope I can be as inferior as possible.
SteveW
March 19th, 2011
10:58 pm
Jae – Great article, thanks!
lewis
March 19th, 2011
11:01 pm
Yeah, the Sixers are like, significantly better than us.
real damn shame. After the celtics series a few years back I never thought it would come to this.
SteveW
March 19th, 2011
11:02 pm
Najeh – I have no idea what you are referring to. Biedrins is worth maybe Two Year Vet Exception money.
If referring to myself, I was referring to another blogger as “inferior” for reasons because of his blog name.
SteveW
March 19th, 2011
11:03 pm
Or did inferior blog man show how low he can go by stealing Najeh’s handle?
O'Brien
March 19th, 2011
11:05 pm
Thanks for the link Jae.
The Hawks are nine games over .500, but they’ve outscored their opponents by only three points this season, because Friday was not the first time they’ve been blown out. Six times they’ve lost by more than 20 points..
6 losses by more than 20 points? Ouch.
I wonder if Jamal still reads this blog. They should post those numbers in locker room.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
11:12 pm
“Najeh – I have no idea what you are referring to. Biedrins is worth maybe Two Year Vet Exception money.”
I was referring to his insistence on wanting to trade Josh Smith for Andris Biedrins.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 19th, 2011
11:12 pm
I’m on your side when it comes to Biedrins. Maybe I should have made my previous post more clear.
Grandad
March 19th, 2011
11:25 pm
We are not that far away from being a contender.
However, it’s going to take some nuggets from existing
owners / front office or new owners.
We don’t need a complete implosion.
But we cannot keep on keepin’ on.
1. Joe gotta go
2. Josh (and I like Josh for the most part) is our best trade chip.
*[gotta go]
3. Must get Bigger [2 Bigs] * see josh trade chip
4. Live with Teaguer for another year.
5. Let Jamal go
6. Cut Marv, give him away, buy him out, trade him, anything !
7. Not again…Go find the right Coach this time:
[in no particular order]
* Ben Howland
* Mike Budenholzer
* Leonard Hamilton
* Adrian Dantley
* Stacey Augmon
8. Keep Cap’n Kirk & D. Wilkins
9. Retain glue guys…Zaza, Collins, Armstrong
10. Al = a given !
These seven + @ least two Bigs;
add money from letting Jamal go,
sign Battier + + + picks from trades.
There you go…simple.
Git ‘er done !
Jae Evolution
March 19th, 2011
11:25 pm
Any quality wins for the rest of the season are no more than fool’s gold. This team follows up great wins, with 20 point blowouts at home, I’ve never seen a team just give up when they miss a few jumpers.
JeJe
March 19th, 2011
11:57 pm
This team is garbage.
We’re so bad now that Mike Bibby might actually have helped us
God Damnit
JeJe
March 20th, 2011
12:04 am
FIRE LD
FIRE WOODY
FIRE SUND
Grandad
March 20th, 2011
12:35 am
good points
Now that’s funny.
Grandad
March 20th, 2011
12:39 am
Mr good points,
you should be a comedian.
It’s all in good fun. [spbm]
Jae Evolution
March 20th, 2011
1:41 am
LD, time to go back to Iso-Joe, go call up your old friend Woody and ask him for his playbook.
Man, the last thing I thought the Hawks would struggle with is scoring.
Charles Maddox
March 20th, 2011
2:47 am
For the last four years I have watch the Atlanta Hawks. Coach Woodson made the team better every year. He got the best out of the team that they could give. And then he gets replaced. The organization is sorry, instead of evaluating what would be needed to get to the next level, they fired coach Woodson because they think there team is better than it is. The new coach hasn’t and won’t do as good as coach Woodson did, and thats not a bad reflection on his coaching ability its a refection on the talent he has to work with. As I said, the hawks organization is SORRY! and they let go an excellent coach that if he had the right people would have brought a championship to Atlanta.
rusty
March 20th, 2011
4:01 am
grandad how can you say we arent that far from being contenders then name a bunch of things that need to be done for that to happen? if thats the case the whole nba isnt that far away from being a contender
Najeh Davenpoop
March 20th, 2011
4:21 am
The Hawks can be contenders if they bring in a 4th player who is as good or better than Joe, Smoove, and Al (or, for that matter, if Teague develops into such a player). But I don’t think they can seriously contend by just surrounding this “core” with complementary pieces. None of the Hawks’ medium-sized three (calling them a big three is a bit of a stretch) is consistent enough to make me think that they alone can carry a real contender together.
Gator
March 20th, 2011
5:46 am
The Medium Three —– I like it!!
Sautee
March 20th, 2011
8:50 am
Gee I wonder who THAT was?
O'Brien
March 20th, 2011
9:20 am
Which hawks team shows up today? The one that crushed Milwaukee, or the one that lost to Detroit by 23 points earlier in the season?
And What’s LD’s lineup? Does teague even play the first half?
This late in the season, we should not have so many questions…
The Game Has Changed
March 20th, 2011
9:30 am
OBrien- You are right about us having too many questions this late in the season. I think if the coach contiues to let Josh shoot threes and dribble the ball up court,we are doomed,
JeJe
March 20th, 2011
11:47 am
The only teams in the NBA the Hawks would beat in a Playoff series right now are:
The Clippers, Timberwolves, Kings, Wizards, the Raptors, the Cavs and maybe Memphis and the Pacers (they both have improved)
Rufus1
March 20th, 2011
12:25 pm
LD is still here….UGH
I was hoping when I returned to this blog LD would be gone…..No luck.
JeJe
March 20th, 2011
1:54 pm
LD is one of the most uninspiring-sounding coaches I’ve ever seen. He talks like he just woke up and he’s going through a family emergency (God forbid)
bigdave
March 20th, 2011
1:54 pm
smh… “more of a traditional lineup going forward” expect traditional results.
Marvin.. 5-7 pts. 5 rebs.
guy looked halfway decent off the bench.
“wanted to take a look @ some things, particularly involving Jeff… thought he played well”
smh. im a bit done w/ Drew.
JeJe
March 20th, 2011
1:58 pm
Start Teague Joe Damien Horford ZaZa
Hinrich Smoove Marvin off bench
JeJe
March 20th, 2011
2:00 pm
The only teams in the NBA the Hawks would beat in a Playoff series right now are:
The Clippers, Timberwolves, Kings, Wizards, the Raptors, the Cavs and maybe Memphis and the Pacers (they both have improved).
JeJe
March 20th, 2011
2:12 pm
We all know what will happen. We lose today and lose vs. Chicago Tuesday
JeJe
March 20th, 2011
3:21 pm
That article about no one calling anyone out was dead on point. We need more altercations in the game, more technical fouls
No fire on this team