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Nuggets 102, Hawks 87

1:14 am March 17, 2011, by Ken Sugiura

Greetings, all-

Perhaps the craziest thing about this game is that the Hawks were up 12 at one point. It’s almost unbelievable given the way the second half played out. Which, as you know, probably even better than me, is how a lot of second halves seem to play out.

Al Horford: “We’ve just got to share the ball. I think at times we do it, at times we don’t.”

Jamal Crawford: “I think we have to learn to handle adversity. I think that’s our final step in becoming a great team. … We have to learn to take a team’s best shot and bounce back and withstand whatever run they have and come back and win.”

Josh Smith: “Sometimes we fight back, sometimes we lay down. I think it’s too late in the year to be inconsistent. We’ve got to know what we’re going to get from each other. We’ve got to play hard every night.”

- Team Jump Shot collapsed against Denver, which kind of plays like you’d hope the Hawks would play – moving the ball, transition game, putting pressure on opponents defensively, several players who can score (maybe this is where the Hawks are not so much like the Nuggets).

The Hawks didn’t make jumpers and failed to re-direct their focus on getting better shots. This might explain it. The Hawks took 19 shots in the paint before halftime. They were down four points and Larry Drew felt they were fortunate to do so.

“It’s plain and simple, which I told them at halftime,” Drew said. “We can’t come down and take a bunch of long shots. We have to establish an inside game.”

With that message ringing in their ears, the Hawks took 21 shots in the third quarter. Two of them were closer than 10 feet. It bears mention that they actually shot really well in this quarter – nine for 18, including three of seven from 3-point range.

It’s kind of the trap with this team. Periods or games like that serve to reinforce the notion that they can thrive as an outside-in team.

- Smith missed seven of his first eight and was pulled. I don’t know that I’ve seen that happen this season that quickly.

Drew: “Their game plan, obviously, was to give us the perimeter shot, but we have to establish ourselves more in the low post.”

I asked Smith if he was surprised when Drew took him out in the first quarter. He said no.

“When somebody comes and gets me (to take him out of the game), as a teammate, I just sit down and understand what I’m doing wrong and try to correct it when I get back in the game.”

Smith’s shot selection (4-for-16) was the most obvious thing about his game. I think it should be pointed out that he also got to the line more than any of his teammates, had nine rebounds and three blocks. And I think his knee is limiting him. All that to say, he is more than his shot selection, but his shot selection certainly is a considerable part of his game.

- Zaza Pachulia continued to earn extended minutes. He got 33 minutes and finished with 19 points and 10 rebounds, both team highs. It’s the first time he has led the team in scoring all season.

“Zaza played a [heck] of game,” Smith said.

- The team made little effort to push the ball. The Hawks had 21 fast-break points against Milwaukee and 13 against Denver. In the Lakers game, the last one I covered, it seemed like the team was intentional about pushing the pace – running hard up the court – with every miss or turnover. I saw little of that effort against Denver.

Offensively, the ball just didn’t move well. When it did, getting out of double teams into rotations, the shots missed.

“We became pretty easy to defend,” Drew said.

Horford: “I think that when we play the right way, like yesterday, everything was great. Today, we get away from things we’re successful with and we struggle.”

- Defensively the Hawks gave the game away in the fourth. Shortly after getting to within three points, the Hawks allowed Denver to score on 11 of 12 possessions, a lot of them on secondary-break situations. A lot of open looks on 3-pointers. Drew called it “poor.” I imagine you all might have other words, but poor is a good start.

- Three players scored in double figures off the bench – Pachulia (19 – he was a ridiculous eight for nine), Crawford (6-for-13 for 13) and Marvin Williams (four for 10 for 10). Hawks only used nine players – Hilton Armstrong, Jason Collins and Josh Powell all received DNP-CD’s.

Regardless of how the Hawks played, the Nuggets are quite a team. They’ve got scoring options all over the floor and are on a remarkable hot streak.

“This is a team that’s playing rejuvenated,” Smith said. “You really don’t know where the offense is coming from because they have eight guys scoring in double figures and they look like they’re in sync right now and they’re definitely playing defense and helping each other out.”

Asked what would happen if the Hawks played like the Nuggets, Horford replied, “then I feel like we would be a better team and we would be playing like that.”

Miami comes to town Friday. I suppose if you are a glass half-full sort of person, then perhaps you think the best thing about the Hawks’ inconsistency is that they can win after stinking up the joint. The Hawks have beaten Orlando (twice), Chicago, New York and Portland after losses.

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Grandad

March 18th, 2011
12:20 am

Rusty

Rusty must have a job at:

” Pirate’s Cove Adventure Golf ”

What ?
Do employeess get to play putt putt for free ?

Grandad

March 18th, 2011
12:26 am

*employees, such as Rusty.
* employeess was the typo, not rusty.

Now chill Rusty, I’m throigh messin’ with you.
[unless]?

Grandad

March 18th, 2011
12:27 am

* throigh, I’m goin’ to bed.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 18th, 2011
1:21 am

Interesting article on Tyler Hansbrough’s recent ascent from scrubby bench player to productive starter. A lot of the stuff in this article could apply to the Hawks and Teague.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Tyler-Hansbrough-Jim-O-8217-Brien-8216-didn-;_ylt=An.NQqA9MDIvSh_DLrK4xqu8vLYF?urn=nba-wp306

DJK

March 18th, 2011
2:39 am

I really wish we had someone else on our team(Atlanta’s team) who could or would go to the post or the lane to get fouled so we could make some easy baskets. The main problem with this team is that we should be better in the effort the department and realizing how to play together the guys that have been here for over three years behave on the court as if they are strangers that have never played together. In a relationship, being teammates included consistency is the key fellas. Please can’t watch the offensive and defensive lack of effort read your scouting reports look like professionals please earn the money don’t just keep taking it.

DJK

March 18th, 2011
2:46 am

Where is our team heart did it leave with Woody you from time to time during the year would have to get in Smooth’s face to get his point across. Is this the only way he gets anything through his skull. Why don’t we have anyone who understands the way to stop a run is go to the foul line. Stop crying for calls and play ball the agressive team always gets fouls called even when they are not fouled they still go to the line. Is our defense worse than our offense? It seems that way sometimes I think we play with less intensity there than on offense which is what produces our poor results in games. Just horrible effort at least we should losing by less than ten in our loses.

Buddy Grizzard

March 18th, 2011
3:05 am

SteveW
March 17th, 2011
9:45 am

LD’s wife got their son kicked off his High School team recently. Google it

Sautee – If that was the case, and it was a done deal by the time LD spoke with Roy, then what else needed saying?

And the Jamal deal, just who did you mention that we could have gotten for Jamal? – SteveW

The thing with Denver running the same play over and over again in the second half, as Dominique pointed out on the air, reminds me of the first loss to Phoenix. At the close of that game, there was a stretch of close to 10 consecutive possessions where Nash forced a switch and ended up with Horford guarding him. I’ve actually been a proponent all year of LD’s ability to draw up plays. Where he’s failing is in leadership, getting the players to buy into his system and execute, putting the correct personnel on the floor and making adjustments.

Sautee, I don’t have any inside information other than what I can find with a Google search. You asked, “If that was the case, and it was a done deal by the time LD spoke with Roy, then what else needed saying?”

My response is, if LD Sr. called Roy Williams to break the news and explained to him that he thought it was in his son’s best interest for psychological reasons, I doubt Williams would have expressed disappointment publicly. If LD II’s departure was about his mental well being, Williams would have announced to the media that he was sad to see him go but that he supported his decision.

This wasn’t about LD II not being able to take the spotlight at North Carolina. This was about LD II feeling entitled to a starting job and feeling disrespected when it was taken away from him. According to Seth Davis at SI.com, Drew told the Raleigh News that the decision was made before the season even began. This makes no sense, because if he had transferred 4 weeks earlier, he would be playing again by mid season next year, instead of having to sit out an entire season.

SteveW there is some crazy stuff floating out there about Sharon Drew. I wish somebody could confirm if she actually called Kendall Marshall’s parents “obese” on the Inside Carolina message boards. Regardless if those posts are authentic, the fact that her other son got kicked off his high school team (to be later reinstated by the principal) because of her actions, makes one question if she’s entirely stable.

Buddy Grizzard

March 18th, 2011
3:13 am

Forgot to address SteveW’s comments about Jamal. After JJ was signed for $120m before the season, I commented on this blog that JC1 would be traded at the deadline since the Hawks will not be able to resign him in the offseason. I wondered after the trade deadline passed why he wasn’t moved, and if Sund had decided to let the Hawks make one more playoff run with Jamal.

Now I believe there was no deal for Jamal because teams were not offering equal value assets. Consider a team like New Jersey, which has very little time to surround Deron Williams with talent. They must be thinking, “why surrender assets for Jamal Crawford when we know ASG won’t go over the tax threshold, and he will be an unrestricted free agent this summer?”

JC1’s game has regressed this year, as others have pointed out, and his absence next season and beyond should help the Hawks become a more offensively-balanced, defensive-minded team moving forward.

sam'l

March 18th, 2011
4:24 am

Disappointing loss. The Hawks still have no brains, no heart and no courage. Smith is out of his mind….Watching him line up three’s in painful, and now we find out he doesn’t like half court sets…….Josh, I sincerely hope your leg heals and that continue to be “athletic” because without that, I fear your playing days are numbered.

Larry Drew’s days should be numbered.

Like I say, disappointing loss.

terrell

March 18th, 2011
6:32 am

I swear to gosh, if Smoove comes out shootin jumpers tonight, I’m jumping on the trade Josh bandwagon. Dont want to see none of those dumb 30 ft passes either. Cant take it anymore.
Maybe it’s time to go traditional? Something like
Kirk/JJ/Damien/Horford/Hilton or Collins
Teague/Jamal/Marvin/Josh/Zaza
That would give us one of the best benches in the East.
Doubt LD has the (basket)balls to bring Josh off the bench though.
Easy to bench Marvin, but how bout Mr hybrid himself.

O'Brien

March 18th, 2011
7:17 am

Najeh,

From the Tyler article, he said former coach O’Brien never believed in him. Prior to the Bibby trade, did you think LD believed in Teague? (and I don’t buy into LD’s comments anymore).

One interesting excerpt to me was Obviously a coach can’t shoot his chances in the foot by force-feeding minutes consistently to a player that is still figuring it out, but we figured out James Posey(notes) a long time ago, and yet Obie kept going to him at big forward for long stretches. It made no sense..

It reminds me of how we figured out that Bibby was sucking big time, but LD still gave him major minutes. Or how LD continues to play Jamal late 3rd and into the 4th as backup PG. It doesn’t work.

AJ,

If Al decides to “get his”, I think there will be a trickle down effect, which will lead to Josh, Jamal and JJ getting more of theirs than they did before.

In the military, if you are the same rank, then the next factor is time in service. Al and Josh are both captains, but Josh has more “time in service” in the league. So if Al goes to Josh to talk about his shot selection? And if he does, does Josh pull rank on him?

I wonder if coaches and players are afraid to come down too hard on Josh because he is a kamikaze, so they dont know what his reaction will be?

O'Brien

March 18th, 2011
7:20 am

Steve W,

I’m one of the guys who called JT and Hinrich backup PG’s. What I mean by that is neither one is top 18 or so right now..

I agree that Teague is a backup PG who happens to play much better with the starters. However, can you name 18 PGs who you would take over Hinrich?

DJK

March 18th, 2011
7:40 am

JT needs to play the only way to become better is to play no one who does not play has a chance to become better without minutes on the court. I believe also that if you look @ the rest of our team every backcourt player JJ, JC1, and Kurt all have over ten years in the league which is a lot wear and tear. So while I understand that Smooth was forcing the issue trying to get the team kick started, the problem was not once he saw he was not getting the correct results he should have passed the ball or went to the goal aggressively but not keep firing away distant jumpers when the gun needed it a cleaning. Coach please coach to go through Al for @ least 15 plays tonite he is your best decision maker. Unselfish concerned with winning only will step up in clucth games if given the touches.

Atticus

March 18th, 2011
7:47 am

Same BS, same results as last year, first round exit. You have a joke ownership group, a cheap, over his head coach that was an assistant to the last failed coach, players not being led…..on and on. It’s a joke.

Trojan

March 18th, 2011
8:17 am

Does it seem like Josh seems to not really care what LD wants him to do. Josh is going to shoot outside and stand outside not matter what. That my friends, is not what help builds a championship in anything.

Trojan

March 18th, 2011
9:49 am

Point guards: Having a number 18 point guard is better than having a 42nd rated pg.

RalphPoindexter

March 18th, 2011
10:06 am

I hate to burst anyones bubble, but at the rate the Hawks have been losing over the last 20 games [they are currently losing 9 out of every 10], next year the Hawks will have the worst record in the NBA. However, if the Hawks FIRE LARRY DREW, AND HIRE JERRY SLOAN TO REPLACE DREW, then next year the Hawks will win the NBA championship. What would you rather have (A) WORST RECORD IN LEAGUE (B) NBA CROWN. Make your choice and hire Jerry Sloan to replace the bum we have as our head coach.

doc

March 18th, 2011
10:26 am

najeh you beat me to it.as i read that is exactly what i was thinking. it probably happens more than folks realize. i still want to see follow up games from teague because he hasnt quite gotten to the consistent productivity curve tyler is on; tyler didnt get there in one game either. jt0 is still a mystery and i hope it unfolds as we want.

Rufus1

March 18th, 2011
10:28 am

Josh’s Jumpshot

Joakim Noah gets just as many open looks, but doesn’t take them….Noah take 9 FG attempts a game and averages 12.3pts and 11.6rbs….He impacts the game with hustle.

We have one hustle big man on this team, ZAZA(maybe Hilton). We need balance, we need consistancy and we need toughness. WE HAVE NO BALANCE!!! We need to start a TRUE center…instead LD starts 2 PG’s and 2 PF’s.

WE NEED BALANCE

Rufus1

March 18th, 2011
10:33 am

Theory

The Hawks only get-up for the eastern conference teams they may see in the playoffs(Very immature, but I believe true). I think they will be ready for the Heat game and I think we win.

SteveW

March 18th, 2011
11:16 am

OB – Since I’m a big Kirk Hinrich fan, not me personally, but I guess I’m saying maybe general consensus. And alot of PG’s near him would be about a wash, so you could argue the point about some of them. And remember, I like Kirk, so this is not just me, but some you could make an argument about:

Rondo, Nash, Paul, Williams, Calderon, Wall, Felton, Westbrook, Kidd, DRose, Conley, Harris, Parker, Lowry, Curry, Holiday, Nelson. That’s 17

Now arguments could be made for:
Augustin, Stuckey, Sessions, Collison, Ty, Bledsoe, Barea and some more.

But the NBA is very PG heavy right now. And very light on the C’s and SG’s (but some good young ones are emerging). Very heavy on PF’s right now also.

OB – Not a slap at Kirk, and I like him, just saying arguements could be made based on various factors for the above 24.

SteveW

March 18th, 2011
11:24 am

Many of us are kind of excited about Teague and Hinrich. I don’t think LD is as excited. A DNP for Teague against DRose last Friday. Kirk and Teague not in crunch time against the Nuggets.

Some of the things we see as fans, LD doesn’t see evidently. Or maybe there’s something to the entitlement theory the more I look at it.

LD is definitely marching to the beat of his own drummer.

And here is an article I found interesting about the Nuggets game. Has some stuff I haven’t seen elsewhere:

Case in point: the fourth quarter of this game. With 7:52 left and the Hawks down eight, Larry Drew went with a big lineup: Jamal Crawford and Joe Johnson in the backcourt and Josh Smith, Al Horford, and Zaza Pachulia in the frontcourt. The express purpose of this lineup was to get the ball to Josh Smith, in an advantageous matchup against JR Smith, in the post. Granted, this effort to get the ball to Smith (13 points on 16 shots, 7 of them jumpers, all 7 of them missed, 1 assist against 2 turnovers) in the post came approximately 40 minutes and 8 seconds (of game time) too late but, theoretically, it’s sound.

Theoretically* sound offensively.

*Practically, the Hawks suffered both from Smith’s inability to finish in the paint and Joe Johnson’s willingness to stop the ball when Smith drew, then appropriately passed out of, double-teams.

Defensively, the lineup was a disaster. Defensively, Josh Smith is at his worst when he has to close out on shooters. On the second and third Denver possessions following Larry Drew’s decision to go big, JR Smith caught a simple, direct, initial pass and made three-point baskets over the sagging Smith. On the next three possessions, the Nuggets played 1/5 pick-and-roll with Raymond Felton and Nene against Jamal Crawford and Zaza Pachulia. Nene scored twice, then Felton made an uncontested layup.

For the sixth straight possession on which the Nuggets scored, JR Smith broke Josh Smith down off the dribble before pulling up for an essentially uncontested 13-footer. On the seventh straight scoring possession, Smith made a long three-pointer as the shot clock expired. On the eighth straight scoring possession for the Nuggets, Felton made another layup. At that point the Hawks were down 16, Drew pulled the passive (just five shots in 33:47, plus, granted, six assists) and possibly still-injured Al Horford and the game was over with 2:47 left, just five minutes after Drew made his bold tactical choice.

Bold and different, yes, but essentially the same choice that Drew made so often earlier this season when he left Crawford and Johnson and Bibby on the floor in an effort to catch up on offense, not acknowledging that such a perimeter troika would do little to stop the other team from scoring. One might argue that tonight’s fourth quarter lineup was actually worse as it invited Denver to attack Josh Smith’s greatest defensive weakness and allowed the Nuggets to make Al Horford a non-factor. After the Nuggets scored on three straight Felton/Nene pick-and-rolls, Horford switched onto Nene. The Nuggets then used Kenyon Martin (now matched up against Pachulia) to set ball-screens.

To be fair, Larry Drew doesn’t have a lot of options from which to choose. Then again, if the Atlanta Hawks had been in the market for a coach who accounted for as many contingencies as possible, he probably wouldn’t have his job.

From Hoopinion

drmaryb (*_-)

March 18th, 2011
11:33 am

It’s a Shame!

Rufus1

Its a crying shame borderline satirical that you “consitantly” prove that you use a word that you clearly can not spell to make some point about
CONSISTENCY.

The only saving grace is that you consistently misspell the word that you complain about. It it were not so bothersome to me, it would actually be laughable. Please refrain from using words you can NOT spell. It makes your argument worthless. How can you expect someone to do something you are not willing to do?

Please stop this abuse of such a potent word, before I either a) have a nervous breakdown or b) begin spelling it incorrectly too.
For the love of english, please stop it.

Not, laughing at all!
__________

The Hawks should win this game or go home and cry.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 18th, 2011
11:38 am

Shooting Blanks!

Rufus1 said this in his post titled: “Josh’s Jump Shot!”

“We need balance, we need consistancy”
_____________________

Josh’s jump shot is more “consistent” than your spelling of this word
consistently correct, if ever.

Sleepy

March 18th, 2011
11:40 am

@ Steve W – Your comments are exactly what Im talking about some of you dont even know whats actually going on in the game .

against Portland jamal picked up 2 quick fouls and sat most of the 1st half and we were losing that entire time even with Teagues stellar game . But when he checked in the 1st half at the 5:35 second mark its 7-7

Jamal checks into the game at 7:47 IN THE 3RD its 45-39 Blazers . WE IMMEDIATELY GO ON A 34-14 run and by the 7:45 mark of the 4th quarter its 73-59 Hawks

Against the Bucks jamal checks in at the 4:58 mark of the 1st and its 15-12 Bucks

Jamal checks out at the 2:51 mark of the second and its 51-33 Hawks

Against the Bucks jamal checks in at the 4:28 mark and its 12-11 Nuggets (notice a trend) when he leaves in the second its 34-31 hawks

In the second half he comes in at the 7:18 mark and its 59-49 Nuggets but with jamal at point its 72-69 Nuggets and we had momentum when they call a timeout and out of a timeout Josh shoots a crazy three and Damien walks and then LD puts back in Joe and Al and thats when the game gets out of reach with Smith hitting those threes .

Teague and Hinrich have been horrible offensively for this team HOWEVER I dont blame them I blame our big three for not showing up because Kirk and Teague are supposed to be role players there to support them and when the big three doesnt show up it puts more pressure on them and and thats why Jamal is in the game because hes a impact player.

The reason why Kirk didnt play in the second half ?

Well jamal had made 3 shots in a row and we were on a roll and then he didnt touch the ball for 4-5 possessions and we allowed them to get right back in the game. LD called a timeout and if you notice after that timeout the first play ran was for jamal.

If you want to see more of Teague or Kirk at point then the big three needs to play better because if they dont LD has no choice but to actually go with someone who can pick up some of the slack of those 3 which is jamal .

doc

March 18th, 2011
11:49 am

nice o’b, also superior coaching to take advantage so quickly of the mismatches our own coach created and then couldnt account for quickly enough before we were buried in four minutes. again, i am beginning to see that drew is not in control of the game and clock or himself to even come close to doing the same for his players. i saw us being thrashed attempting to close on unattended shooters throughout the game. it always seemed we were bunched on one side and they had a single player spotted up to quickly receive the ball before a late closing defender could come close to contesting the shot. they were also making the shots.

mismatches are on the bench, too. what kind of a team are we? what do we do best? do we continue to press any advatage? are we always a team in the making? does anyone remember the line we got our rotations set now? how many times have we undergone change since then? what is my teams’ personality? stick to a plan and do it.

DudleyDoright

March 18th, 2011
12:07 pm

The Hawks hired Larry Drew to replace Mike Woodsen, because there were no other options. But now that Jerry Sloan is available and still hungry to win a title, THE HAWKS SHOULD WASTE ABSOLUTELY NO TIME AT ALL IN CONTACTING SLOAN’S AGENT TO WORK OUT A CONTRACT SHORTLY AFTER DREW’S CONTRACT IS TERMINATED. JERRY SLOAN IS THE GREATEST COACH EVER TO NOT WIN A TITLE, AND ONCE SLOAN IS HIRED, SLOAN SHOULD CONTACT VETERAN KARL MALONE TO BE HIS ASSISTANT PLAYER-COACH AND HAVE MALONE WORK WITH JOSH SMITH TO IMPROVE JOSH’S PATHETIC GAME.

Rufus1

March 18th, 2011
12:13 pm

@DMB

I will correct my mispelling…Thx

darrell starks

March 18th, 2011
12:37 pm

My biggest problem is how some people on the blog feel good incorporating the lyrics of miss spelling word, wow how conclusive people can be sometime.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

March 18th, 2011
12:42 pm

STARTERS TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, HILTON OR COLLINS
BENCH HINRICH, JAMAL, DAMIEN, MARVIN, ZAZA
RESERVE POWELL, COLLINS
THIS ROTATION THE HAWKS WIN TONIGHT.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

March 18th, 2011
12:53 pm

Hawks can become a good team with a balance and solid rotation.
1.Starte teague and hinrich back up at 1.
2.Starte joe and jamal back up at 2.
3.Starte josh and damien back up at 3.
4.Starte horford and marvin back up at 4.
5.Starte hilton or collins and zaz back up at 5.
This rotation the hawks have a solid balance with bangers in the paint and a solid 9-10 man rotation to keep the player fresh thru out the season.
THE HAWKS RIGHT NOW ARE RANK 26 IN THE NBA IN REBOUNDING LD HAVE 2 STOP STARTING THIS SMALLISH LINE UP AND STAY BIG.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

March 18th, 2011
12:56 pm

HAWKS RANK 26 IN REBOUNDING JOSH, HORFORD IS NOT GETTING THE JOB DONE 2 SMALL IN THE FRONT COURT.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

O'Brien

March 18th, 2011
1:09 pm

Steve W,

Rondo, Nash, Paul, Williams, Calderon, Wall, Felton, Westbrook, Kidd, DRose, Conley, Harris, Parker, Lowry, Curry, Holiday, Nelson. That’s 17

Now arguments could be made for:
Augustin, Stuckey, Sessions, Collison, Ty, Bledsoe, Barea and some more..

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and PG probably is too. I agree on most of the names, but not all.

However (as AJ says), I think LD has not done a good job of using Hinrich effectively, and is not helping him to have the impact he is capable of having.

Peter

March 18th, 2011
1:20 pm

Hey it was a good thing we got rid of Jordan Crawford……. Gee we could have given up Ball Hog JJ and had basically the same team.

Horrible ownership has gotten Atlanta to this point yet AGAIN !

Najeh Davenpoop

March 18th, 2011
1:36 pm

“Prior to the Bibby trade, did you think LD believed in Teague? (and I don’t buy into LD’s comments anymore).”

LD has conditioned me not to believe anything he says, so I’m inclined to think he probably didn’t believe in him. But more importantly, I think leaning on veterans and shying away from developing young players is the easy way out for a coach, especially at the point guard position. I think this is probably a more accurate explanation for LD’s budgeting of minutes even now, post-trade. He’s just taking the path of least resistance, just like his team.

StewartJackson

March 18th, 2011
1:58 pm

The players that we failed to draft and gave away could make an all-star team.
Jordan Crawford: (over the last 5 games is averaging 19.5 points, scoring even more than Jamal Crawford)
Moe Evans: a deadly 3-point shooter who, when hot, can literally carry a team. we gave him away for nothing.
Deron Williams: we could have drafted him but instead drafted Marvin Williams (marvin being the worst player to ever play in the nba)
Chris Paul: we could have drafted him but instead decided that Marvin Williams was the second coming of christ.
Josh Childress:was was once touted the next wilt chamberlain but since coming back from greece has hardly been heard from.

Now taking into consideration how much talent we lost, we should package a trade and send Marvin Williams, Kurt Hinrich and Jeff Teague in return for Rashad Lewis. That trade, if done quickly, can help the Hawks at least advance to the Eastern Conference Finals.

Sleepy

March 18th, 2011
2:21 pm

The wizards are 0-5 in the past 5 games too and have won exactly ONE GAME since the trade . Anyone who keeps touting Jordan Crawford as something we are missing right now should be slapped.

Buddy Grizzard

March 18th, 2011
2:50 pm

Rufus’ scrip full of typos DrMaryB!

doc

March 18th, 2011
4:09 pm

ding

then

buddy, you are a tattle tale.

time for a new blog to turn the page here.

SteveW

March 18th, 2011
5:36 pm

Sleepy, you wrote in defense of Jamal the following, “…you dont even know whats actually going on in the game .

against Portland jamal picked up 2 quick fouls and sat most of the 1st half and we were losing that entire time even with Teagues stellar game . But when he checked in the 1st half at the 5:35 second mark its 7-7

Jamal checks into the game at 7:47 IN THE 3RD its 45-39 Blazers . WE IMMEDIATELY GO ON A 34-14 run and by the 7:45 mark of the 4th quarter its 73-59 Hawks

Against the Bucks jamal checks in at the 4:58 mark of the 1st and its 15-12 Bucks

Jamal checks out at the 2:51 mark of the second and its 51-33 Hawks

Against the Bucks jamal checks in at the 4:28 mark and its 12-11 Nuggets (notice a trend) when he leaves in the second its 34-31 hawks

In the second half he comes in at the 7:18 mark and its 59-49 Nuggets but with jamal at point its 72-69 Nuggets and we had momentum when they call a timeout and out of a timeout Josh shoots a crazy three and Damien walks and then LD puts back in Joe and Al and thats when the game gets out of reach with Smith hitting those threes .”

That’s 3 games, and we all know if Jamal is clicking, which I’ve acknowledged, he is an impact player.

But we were specifically talking about Jamal at the Point in the 4th quarter. You did not address that. The only game I see he made a difference in the 2nd half was Portland. The Nuggets going from 10 down to 3 down, then staying in the game and getting blown out is not much improvement.

Give me some stats that on a consistent basis, when Jamal is at the Point, we improve, then we can talk. I’ve already said that once every 3 to 5 games it may work, when Jamal’s clicking. But usually he’s a defensive liability.

And nobody is talking about him coming off the bench at SG. Even though he has been off in that role as well this season.

O’Brien – I left off Tyreke, Mo Williams and Udrih to name some more in the PG department. Some would even throw Arenas in there also, and still others like Andre Miller etc..

The point being Hinrich is top 10 defensively, but probably somewhere about 19-23 overall, maybe lower to some. But definitely not higher to most folks. He doesn’t drive enough, and he’s not quite athletic enough to be much higher.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 18th, 2011
5:55 pm

“Marvin Williams, Kurt Hinrich and Jeff Teague in return for Rashad Lewis. That trade, if done quickly, can help the Hawks at least advance to the Eastern Conference Finals”
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If, The Hawks make it to the ECF this season and Rashard Lewis helped them? It would only be because he drove the team bus. I read on
rotoworld.com that as of yesterday he is shut down for the year, due to his knee injury. So much for that idea, I guess.
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I sure hope we play some stiff defense tonight. I don’t give a damn about offense anymore, all we got to do there, is score one point more than them.

SteveW

March 18th, 2011
6:00 pm

O’Brien – Some would argue Aaron Brooks, I left Chauncey Billups off, Beaubois, Bynum, Toney Douglas, George Hill, Brandon Jennings (by most), Jarrett Jack, maybe an Eric Maynor or a Luke Ridnour (I wouldn’t), and Lou Williams.

That’s 39 PG’s right there that you can make an argument that are better than Kirk, or close to his equal.

But I like Kirk, but let’s take him for what he is. Better than Bibby.

Worldwide Clyde

March 18th, 2011
6:01 pm

Sleepy when Jamal leaves this summer we will miss Jordan Crawford.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 18th, 2011
6:15 pm

Rufus1

Thank You, because I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts. Your comments are spectacular, informative and insightful. I have actually changed some of my ideas from grappling yours. Very sound comment
are what you bring to the blog table.

Hey, I use slang, part-words, and make tons of typos, heck we all do. The older I get, the more I have to check my spelling. But, baby, that consistently was driving me nuts. LOL, for a minute I thought I was wrong, ha ha. Grammar is a pet peeve of mine, but I enjoy artful and colorful languages too; rap, slang, part-wa, whatever, its all good! -wink-

Thank for saving me from a nervous breakdown, I was starting to “tick”. LOL, I’m just kidding. You are a class act, so thanks.
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Now, if we just get our team to get along and play nice? We might have something! I hope the pepsi-fans don’t start that MVP chant for the two ego maniacs we play tonight. I hope we send them home crying.

drmaryb (*_-)

March 18th, 2011
6:34 pm

“My biggest problem is how some people on the blog feel good incorporating the lyrics of miss spelling word, wow how conclusive people can be sometime.”
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Hugh? What does this statement mean, can you rephrase this understandably? And, if “some people” means drmaryb, then say that then. Don’t be a coward and make back handed comments. If you got something to say, speak up and say it then.

That was an A & B conversation. Do you really want some?

drmaryb (*_-)

March 18th, 2011
6:41 pm

I better log off and go take my “b!tch pills” now, it really isn’t that serious.LOL and SMH at myself.

Let’s Go Hawks! I hope the Hawks put their game face on too, I got the eye of the tiger tonight and I’m ready to fight a paper dragon.

ag

March 18th, 2011
6:50 pm

I said in an earlier post that Teague needs to check LeBron while he is bringing the ball up the court and standing on the perimeter trying to make a move. Rondo frustrated him so much and I am sure Teague will do the the same. They just have to rotate when LeBron decides to post him up. In addition to substituion patterns, coaching also utilizes strategy.

ag

March 18th, 2011
6:52 pm

lol driving the team bus – Rashard Lewis! Why are people still suggesting trades when the deadline is over?

drmaryb (*_-)

March 18th, 2011
6:54 pm

* very sound comments are what you bring …

drmaryb (*_-)

March 18th, 2011
7:01 pm

ag

Because, like the “bloginator”?
The Trade Machine never sleeps – oh well.

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