Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 110, Bucks 85
- I couldn’t decide on the strangest sight tonight: Joe in a giant headband, Joe playing like an All-Star shotmaker or he and the other Hawks regulars laughing and joking on the bench in the fourth quarter of a blowout W.
- It had been a while since all of those things happened for the Hawks.
- “We haven’t had a win like this, I don’t think, all year,” L.D. said. “This was a huge win against a very quality team.”
- Well the Bucks are a quality defensive team, at least. Not many opponents shoot well against the Bucks, and that could have meant trouble for the Hawks if they came out jump-shot happy, missed, and kept jacking.
- Instead they came out running and J.J., wearing his magic headband, couldn’t miss.
- “That was the Joe of Old,” Drew said.
- Suddenly everything that hadn’t been working for so long was clicking. J.J. made runners, post-ups, pull-ups, baseline turnarounds and 3-pointers. Lots and lots of 3-pointers, including five in a row as the Hawks buried the Bucks in the first half.
- “It was just a feeling, and I just let it go,” he said.
- Joe looked spry on defense, too.
- “He was fighting through screens,” Drew said. “He just had a solid, solid overall game on both ends of the floor. He was making shots, but I thought defensively he did a tremendous job as well.”
- J.J. said two days off helped him feel better. I’m thinking this means that L.D. needs to find him as many days off as possible.
- The Hawks aren’t going anywhere if Joe can’t play up to his usual level. This has to be the start of something for him.
- “It gives us a lot of confidence,” Al said. “When Joe is going like that, he’s as good as anyone in the league. I’m really happy for him tonight to get it going and hopefully it starts building some momentum for him for the playoffs.”
- The Hawks ran smart tonight. Five of their 12 field goals in the first quarter came by way of fast breaks and there weren’t many of the silly turnovers they had against the Blazers. Atlanta would have had more transition points if the Bucks hadn’t fouled a few times to prevent easy run-outs.
- It’s encouraging for the Hawks to run against an opponent that’s capable of grinding them down in the half court.
- “With the change in the lineup, it has allowed us to get out a little bit more in transition, particularly with Jeff Teague,” Drew said. “I thought Kirk did a good job as well. We got stops and we got our break going. Both Al and Josh Smith did a great job of running the floor. We put a lot of emphasis on that before the game. We really wanted to make Bogut run the floor, get him up and down.”
- Brandon Jennings is Milwaukee’s speed guy but Teague had him tied up. It was one thing for Teague to get into Andre Miller’s chest and keep him from getting near the basket, quite another for him to do the same to Jennings.
- “You look at Teague’s line, you may not be impressed from a numbers standpoint, but I thought he set the tone early with Jennings,” L.D. said. “He got up on him early at the half court, picked him up some in the back court. To be honest, in the past, we weren’t able to do that.”
- Bogut got his but he didn’t get much help so the Bucks had no chance to match Atlanta’s hot scoring.
- “Everyone played solid on the defensive end, we helped each other out like we should play,” Al said. “They came in here earlier in the year and beat us pretty bad, so we didn’t forget that game.”
- There were times when the Bucks looked as if they would rather be somewhere else. Salmons was the worst offender.
- “We had trouble getting back on defense early in the game and we looked a little bit tired,” Scott Skiles said. “We tried to put fresher bodies in there but that didn’t work. It was just one of those games where we didn’t play very well. . . . They dictated to us instead of us to them.”
- It’s clear Smoove doesn’t have the same spring in his legs and really hasn’t for much of the season. But he’s still managing to dig out rebounds, challenge shots and finish dunks on the break. Now if he can just cut down on the turnovers.
- This was another strong defensive rebounding game for the Hawks, who collected 36 of Milwaukee’s 50 misses (plus three team rebounds). A subpar game on the boards from Al (five rebounds) was offset by Josh’s 14 rebounds and a combined 13 from Joe, Teague and Hinrich.
- “We make it a point for our guards to get in there,” Drew said. “We use the term ‘gang rebound.’ It’s not just for the big guys, it’s for everybody. It’s got to be everybody in there on the glass and chasing down loose balls.”
- Marvin doesn’t like to come off the bench but it seems like he gets right to work when he’s a reserve. He was strong and confident while taking the Bucks into the post.
- Jamal scored just four points on four shots but had eight assists against three turnovers.
- Damien has scored in double figures in three of the last four games.
- Circumstances dictate that Ken S. takes over for the next few days, blog people. Be cool until I get back.
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March 15th, 2011
11:14 pm
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Hawks Fan In New Oreans
March 15th, 2011
11:15 pm
first – h was me
Najeh Davenpoop
March 15th, 2011
11:16 pm
“To be honest, in the past, we weren’t able to do that.”
I wonder why.
Little Fawkers
March 15th, 2011
11:20 pm
Sorry but there was not 13,590 people at the game tonight. Where did that stat come from?
Hawks Fan In New Oreans
March 15th, 2011
11:21 pm
The road win at Utah was pretty huge too. The Hawks imposed their will on Jerry Sloan’s squad in his last stand 110-87. LD get ya mind right and keep starting Teague. Great win nonetheless. I was trippin off the headband bandit Joe fighting to reclaim his swagger. I am hardly superstitious but he may have to keep that look.
Rev in Tampa
March 15th, 2011
11:29 pm
“He got up on him early at the half court, picked him up some in the back court. To be honest, in the past, we weren’t able to do that.”
Well, Coach Drew, who’s fault is that???
i_am_soulstar
March 15th, 2011
11:38 pm
Glad to see Joe get it in tonight. He needs to keep that headband on until he has a poor game.
Crazy Fan
March 15th, 2011
11:45 pm
Man it was crazy tonight in the 6th man section 118. Great game to cheer on the hawks, hope the same happens tomorrow.
Ken Strickland
March 16th, 2011
12:07 am
REV IN TAMPA-It looks like LDrew is finally realizing what his team can do defensively when they’re not being burdened with trying to compensate for his decision making. It took a trade by RSund and the ASG to finally get rid of the cause of the problem Drew and his STUBBORN STUPIDITY insisted on creating.
Let’s hear a response from all of the know it all’s who insisted Teague couldn’t play DEF.
AG
March 16th, 2011
12:11 am
I am sure one of Jennings worst games of his career. Great job Teague. Another challenge tomorrow, Ty Lawson
superiorblogman
March 16th, 2011
12:11 am
Good game for the team. 2morrow night will be a bigger test. We are good in back to backs and the starters all played 3 quarters tonight.So, we should be fine. On another note, trading Jordan and that 1st round pick essentially for Kirk was stupid then but will go down as one of the worse trades in Hawks history and maybe even NBA history.
lp
March 16th, 2011
12:17 am
I will be there in section 114 I hope they win tomorrow.
The Truth
March 16th, 2011
12:21 am
The only thing that will take the sting out of the Bibby for Hinrich trade (courtesy of Sund narrow vision and LD’s desperate coaching) is for Hilton to become a potential stud. Without question, Hinrich is an upgrade over Bibby but may not be enough alone to justify the cost. So the X factor is Hilton. If he can become a vital contributor, than Hawksville will be forgiving and have a short memory. Otherwise, pending the outcome of the playoff, the critics will be poised to pounce. With JC2 balling for the Wizards, the chatter has already started.
Section 212
March 16th, 2011
12:24 am
For JJ, the Bucks were just like most women from Milwaukee…..a Slump Buster!
Rashod
March 16th, 2011
12:26 am
Joe Johnson still sucks !!! Do it against the Lakers,Knicks or Heat !!! The Bucks are sorry.
Section 212
March 16th, 2011
12:28 am
Thanks Rashod for enlightening us…
lewis
March 16th, 2011
12:32 am
i watched the second half…jordan looked awful like the rest of the wiz…
Jae Evolution
March 16th, 2011
12:32 am
“Good game for the team. 2morrow night will be a bigger test. We are good in back to backs and the starters all played 3 quarters tonight.So, we should be fine. On another note, trading Jordan and that 1st round pick essentially for Kirk was stupid then but will go down as one of the worse trades in Hawks history and maybe even NBA history.”
Trading for defense is never a bad trade, sure Jordan was a really good player and would’ve been a cheap version of Jamal had he not re-signed this offseason, but we really didn’t have space for the kid. You look at the Knicks team, they didn’t play good defense before but you trade half your starters for a guy who plays soft on the defensive end, and you allow 119 points to the Pacers and 116 to the Cavs, I think we did a pretty good job.
Jae Evolution
March 16th, 2011
12:36 am
Also add to the fact we gave away our 1st rd draft pick, but this draft is looking real weak so I doubt we would’ve gained any real talent anyways. Some of the picks people were sharing in earlier blogs looked like quality picks, who knows we might find a gem in that 2nd round…
Ryan
March 16th, 2011
12:46 am
I love this line up of Joe at the 3. It works for Boston so why wouldnt it work for us?
Grandad
March 16th, 2011
12:46 am
Rev & Ken Strickland
Let’s think a minute.
[before we decide LD is stupid]
Woody was stubborn and would never change.
At least LD tries different looks and strategies.
Remember he is learning on the job.
He is just like Teague;
LD is gaining confidence day by day in his decision making.
He [LD] may have found his team’s chemistry.
*addendum:
It’s as if we gained three new players at the “deadline”.
* Brand new backcourt / teague + Hinrich.
* Plus a new small forward = Joe.
mykhalc
March 16th, 2011
12:47 am
just as Teague is gettin’ a run with the starters so does Hilton need to get a run with them too. the cat is active and OBVIOUSLY the most athletic on the team…willing to bet he’s probably more polished than Al at this point!!! and Marvin has found his place…we can only pray LD sees it too!!!
superiorblogman
March 16th, 2011
12:48 am
There are plenty good draft picks that could help the Hawks in the 1st and 2nd round. Who cares if the draft may be weak as a whole as long as the Hawks make good picks? If I were a business man I would put it out there that the draft was weak and then just stockpile picks to move up, out, or gain valuable assets. To just remove your self from a potential oppurtunity shows how narrow-minded the Hawks front office is. Hope is a major component on this earth. No excuse for the Hawks killing there chance of hope through the draft by trading 2 1st rd picks for a serviceable player who adds to your already troubled payroll, and yes he added $1 million to the payroll. That trade was horrible in every way and I am sorry if I have to be honest and say Kirk has not made this team better by his presence alone. Teague and Kirk as the starters may do the trick, but not Kirk alone.
Grandad
March 16th, 2011
12:52 am
The Truth & others
I think the trade was tremendous.
I wish JC2 well
[but never thought as highly of him as my blog brethren]
(I always viewed him as a trade chip)
Grandad
March 16th, 2011
12:57 am
mykhalc
Co-Sign on Hilton.
I wish Brockman had not taken that charge,
would have enjoyed seeing the young man throw it down.
Eventually, I think he helps more than “Marv the tease”.
Rufus1
March 16th, 2011
1:00 am
Kirk > Jamal and Bibby…
Kirk is as good a PG as Bibby.
Kirk is as good a 3pt shooter as Bibby
Kirk plays better defense than both.
Kirk will replace Jamal next year
mykhalc
March 16th, 2011
1:00 am
IMHO gettin’ Marvin outta the startin’ lineup was/is waaayyyy more important than gettin’ Teague in!!! don’t get me wrong, i like what it brings. but lemme see Kirk/JJ/Josh/Al/Hilton get a run too…then my questions would be answered!!!
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
1:01 am
Jordan Crawford goes off for 27 points, 3 boards, and 4 assists.
This kid’s gonna be a legit scorer in this league. And we wouldn’t even let him step on the court.
Grandad
March 16th, 2011
1:04 am
mykhalc – Co-Sign once more @ [1:00 am] (habit forming)
darrell starks
March 16th, 2011
1:06 am
Rufus1 i cosign.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
March 16th, 2011
1:09 am
If the hawks don’t sign jamal next year the lineup could look like this.
STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, HILTON OR COLLINS
BENCH HINRICH, DAMIEN, MARVIN, POWELL, ZAZA
RESERVE COLLINS
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
mykhalc
March 16th, 2011
1:12 am
@Grandad…LOL
Rufus1
March 16th, 2011
1:12 am
We also got Marvin as bench player in the trade…10pts, 5rebs and good defense off the bench is good production….stop complaining about the trade, we need to win now.
Rev in Tampa
March 16th, 2011
1:13 am
Grandad,
I understand your point. I am glad that LD is willing to expierment because it looks as if he has found the right rotations to maximize the each player’s strengths. The whole team is playing better as a result.
My comments that I directed toward Coach Drew reflect my frustration that he continued to stay with Bibby when his defense was such a liability.
Did Teague just happen, COINCIDENTALLY, to develop into this defensive dynamo at the trade deadline? I feel certain that if Bibby were still here he would still be starting at the point.
darrell starks
March 16th, 2011
1:13 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEtKjACpQEg
Sleepy
March 16th, 2011
1:14 am
Jordan Crawford is not a legit scorer in the league not even close .
Legit scorers points actually have some type of impact on the game .
and Kirk is a better defensive player than jamal but Jamal is the better overall player. He was +30 tonight and led the team in assists
Bibby shouldnt even be in the discussion hes on his last legs
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
1:15 am
I understand that scoring a ton of points on a bad team doesn’t mean as much. But really, JC2 was supposedly high on the Hawks lists during the draft.
People were quick to praise Sund for his deal to swap Bibby + Mo for Hinrich, but truthfully, Sund just cleaned up his own mess. He’s the one that re-up’d Bibby + Mo Evans, and then he found himself with a PG who was aging quickly, so much so that his play was obviously taking a toll on this teams ability to win games, thus he absolutely needed to make the move. I’ve never liked Mo Evans, but Sund re-up’d Evans too. We let go of a kid who clearly has potential for Sund’s dumb mistake.
I wouldn’t cut the coaches any slack in this either though. It’s obvious, at least to me, that Teague could’ve and would’ve provided a greater impact had he been given the chance to play than Mike Bibby when Bibby was still around. Had the coaches (Drew/Woody) not leaned on Bibby as much as they did and given Teague more burn, we would’ve been much better off. But instead of developing young talent, these coaches insisted on playing the veteran PG who was really only brought in here as a stop-gap. This is the same reason why I’m saying as of now that the Hawks 1st priority should be to groom Teague. Hinrich’s the exact same thing Mike Bibby was when he was brought here – a stop-gap who’ll be good for a couple of years, but *he is not this teams PG of the future*. SO, DEVELOP TEAGUE. He may/may not be the Hawks PG of the future, nobody knows. But, we know for sure that Kirk Hinrich isn’t that guy, so why waste the time on a guy that isn’t going to assume that role?
Not a knock on Hinrich, I like what the guy brings. But, focus on peices that will have a long-term impact.
darrell starks
March 16th, 2011
1:18 am
The trade was succesful for the hawks, not only that it FORCE LD 2 play teague more 2 stop favoritism on the job among the player, PLUS I THINK ARMSTRONG CAN BECOME A SOLID DEFENDER IN THE PAINT 2 MOVE HORFORD 2 POWERFORWARD, this is a good trade by SUND.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
1:19 am
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
1:01 am
“This kid’s ****gonna**** be a legit scorer in this league”
And he has a much better chance to be a legit scorer than Kirk Hinrich does.
Again, I like Hinrich, I like what he brings. But, be real, this guy isn’t getting this team over the top. We unloaded a guy with a ton of potential (IMO for a stop-gap PG. It is what it is.
Grandad
March 16th, 2011
1:19 am
Mr superiorblogman;
I must disagree concerning the trade.
At this time I wish it to be noted that I’m the 1st
to put forth the name:
— Giorgi Shermadini —
7-1, Georgian (think borscht not grits) [or Zaza]
most probably will be available in 2nd round
More later, I just wanted to be the 1st to introduce the name.
Hawks Fan In New Oreans
March 16th, 2011
1:21 am
I xerox that Wabe.
Grandad
March 16th, 2011
1:24 am
Rev in Tampa
As usual we agree.
__________________
Rufus1
“we need to win now”
Co-Sign !
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
1:25 am
The problem really is, people are focused on winning now.
The roster that’s in place isn’t winning now. Period.
ASG doesn’t know what kind of plan to carry out. To say they’re in “win-now” mode wouldn’t really be truthful, because if we were, they wouldn’t be screaming “core…core” and they’d try harder to bring in talent. At the same time, I wouldn’t say we’re building for the future, because we’re shipping out young talent for stop-gap peices and leaning on vets.
ASG + coaches are caught in a bind. They don’t know what they want. They’re focused on this core, which tells you we’re gonna live or die with this core. But, they’re trading peices that could pan out to be solid contributors within this core down the road for average guys that aren’t gonna bring the type of impact that’s needed to get this team over the top.
What’s the strategy? Are we in win-now mode? Or are we building for down the road? Nobody can really say. That’s why we’re stuck in a rut. Nobody can explain the Hawks, because they themselves can’t explain which direction they’re moving in.
Hawks Fan In New Oreans
March 16th, 2011
1:26 am
I am also intrigued with the possibility of inserting Hilton in the starting line up a time or two before the playoffs. I saw him play in his early days in New Orleans – more upside than Marvin Sease Williams.
mykhalc
March 16th, 2011
1:29 am
@darrell…nice link man. yep..the cat needs some real burn time. he’s already run with one of the top 3 PGs in the league…he KNOWS how to play the 5!!! good handle etc etc…i actually was high on him on draft day. he came out the year before Al right? who was the Hawks pick that year?
Grandad
March 16th, 2011
1:30 am
KH has allowed this team to move forward.
Teaguer now starts at pg.
Teaguer + Hinrich terrific defensive backcourt.
Joe > Marv is the best move of the trade deadline.
*[it's as if we traded Marvin for Joe]
JC2 was not playing, KH is, so that’s improvement.
Plus I think the trade signals that the ASG / Sund plans to re-sign Jamal.
JSS
March 16th, 2011
1:32 am
So happy I could cry! It’s like waking up from a horrible nightmare!
darrell starks
March 16th, 2011
1:34 am
mykhlac THE HAWKS SELECTED THE LAND LORD THAT YEAR LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
mykhalc
March 16th, 2011
1:34 am
@JSS…LOL but remember LD is still the HC!!! he could put us all in a coma before the season’s over…
Grandad
March 16th, 2011
1:36 am
mykhalc
Hilton Armstrong was picked 12th in ‘06
7 spots after the Hawks selected Sheldon Williams.
mykhalc
March 16th, 2011
1:41 am
yep…i knew i wanted him before ’somebody’ that we picked!!! Sheldon…WOW!!! you know, the Hawks really do suck at draftin’!!!
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
1:41 am
Grandad, no argument that there’s improvement.
But, is that improvement good enough? Is it good enough to mean anything? How far will these improved Hawks get?
It’s a short-term gain. Unless this short-term improvement gets you closer to the promise land, it’s useless salvaging your future for it.
It’s similar to the argument many were making against the Celtics when they aquired Garnett and Allen. People were arguing that the C’s basically salvaged their future for a short-term gain. Sure, they improved immediately in the short term, but had they not won that ring and contended, would the move had been a successful move? Ultimately, they did win a ring, so things worked out for them.
Same deal here. Unless the Hawks moves make them closer to a championship caliber unit, there’s no point trading away guys with promising futures for average NBA players that aren’t gonna get the Hawks over the top. We can argue whether bringing Hinrich in makes the Hawks closer to a championship-caliber unit, but really…
They’re not going anywhere in this Eastern Conference.
Now, when the Hinrich deal happened, I was hoping it’d be a stepping stone to another move to bolster the talent level on the roster. We didn’t see it prior to the trade deadline, but, if the Hawks go into the offseason and surround this group with some more talent, then ok, I’ll buy into the move. But, unless the necessary moves are made *after* this deal, this move was useless.
Grandad
March 16th, 2011
1:55 am
Wabe
All good points.
We were overstocked at the [2] position.
Now, if we let Jamal walk, then ???, I’ll be somewhat puzzled.
I hated losing the pick more, because I think Nolan Smith
will be around at that pick.
But he’s a younger Hinrich and we are [the players] in their prime.
* Win Now *
The Hawks must, Must, MUST, get a legit Big in here next year
for us [the Hawks] to challenge for the title.
Not the EC title but the whole shootin’ match.
Two legit Bigs would be even better.
* Bigs that Rebound !
Jae Evolution
March 16th, 2011
2:17 am
Whoever was talking about Keith Benson a few blogs ago, I really like that kid.
6′11 Good footwork, good lost post game, blocks shots, rebounds.
Only problem is he would be a reach for us to get him in the 2nd round, even with out Houston pick if all goes well. If we were to get him, he could possibly be our starting center if he added some weight in the offseason, but that kid should be priority #1.
Worldwide Clyde
March 16th, 2011
2:28 am
RIP Nate Dogg
hawks_4_life
March 16th, 2011
4:07 am
JOKE OF THE DAY
ARMSTRONG MORE POLISHED THAN AL……LOL
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March 16th, 2011
4:16 am
How do I get tickets to sit in the Sixth Man section?
EmirS.
March 16th, 2011
4:42 am
@hawks_4_life
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hawks_4_life
March 16th, 2011
5:12 am
He is not even more massive than Al. Dude is thin, that said I think he can be an asset but more polished than Al, come on.
MsDee
March 16th, 2011
5:31 am
Just went to chk out JC2 from Washington and my boy played ALL 48MINS to get 27pts,4rbs,4ast, only 2TO’s. J.Wall with 17pts,11rebs,but a whopping 7 TO’S..wow. McGee with a triple-double w/11pts, 12 rebs, & a whopping 12 blocks..wow!
superiorblogman
March 16th, 2011
5:41 am
Keith Benson is weak. The kid can not even average double figure rebounds in that Mid Major conference he plays in. His ceiling is Larry Sanders. Anyone calling for Benson does not know how to evaluate talent. So, that is probably who we get. Renardo Sidney and Klay Thompson would both be better for the Hawks. Sidney is a legit 6″9 without shoes, he is like Dejuain Blair or Big Baby with 3 to 4 inches. Klay Thompson will be just as good as Kevin Martin in the pro’s 3 to 5 years from now.
superiorblogman
March 16th, 2011
5:48 am
Grandad
March 16th, 2011
1:19 am
Mr superiorblogman;
I must disagree concerning the trade.
At this time I wish it to be noted that I’m the 1st
to put forth the name:
— Giorgi Shermadini —
7-1, Georgian (think borscht not grits) [or Zaza]
most probably will be available in 2nd round
More later, I just wanted to be the 1st to introduce the name.
Grandad: I have 0 respect for any of your opinions towards basketball. You have not typed a sensible thing in all my time on this blog. Please never respond to me directly again. It would be just like the Hawks to select some foreign guy with zero talent that will never play for the Hawks. You are Rick Sund a old idiot that makes dumb rash decisions on a daily basis.
terrell
March 16th, 2011
6:35 am
Get over Jordan Crawford already. OMG! Anybody can look good on the Wizards.
Ryan M.
March 16th, 2011
6:43 am
Worst trades of all time? My lord, get some perspective here.
Worse than Kobe Bryant for Vlade DIvac by the Hornets?
Worse than the Bucks trading away Dirk NOwitski for Robert Traylor?
Worse than the 76ers trading Charles Barkley to the Suns for Andrew Lang, Tim Perry and Jeff Hornacek?
Worse than Portland trading the rights to Randy Foye to the Minnesota Timberwolves for the rights to Brandon Roy?
Worse than Seattle trading Scottie Pippen to Chicago for Olden Polynice?
Worse than San Antonio trading Dennis Rodman to Chicago for Will Perdue?
Trading Dominique WIlkens for 22 games of Danny Manning? Worse than that? It isn’t even close to the worst HAWKS trade of all time.
Even presuming its that ‘bad’
I think you think Jordan Crawford’s first name is his last name, for some reason.
He still was not a bad pick
March 16th, 2011
6:57 am
Free Marvin..Jordan got out of jail and look at his production…No way Marvin should be coming off the bench…I feel like he has been punish for being the 4th option on a solid team…Never really understood why Drew rarely called plays for Marvin, while he was starting…When Joe Max was hurt, thought Marvin proved he could score if the Hawks ran plays for him..Drew is just like Woody..Sund should have hired a coach from outside the organization!!
Ryan M.
March 16th, 2011
7:23 am
You know, I bet allot of those whining about Trading Crawford now were whining about drafting him when THAT happened.
Ryan M.
March 16th, 2011
7:26 am
And who thought Teague was a complete waste of a draft pick that we should start immediately.
O'Brien
March 16th, 2011
7:47 am
Good team win. And although Marvin doesnt like coming off the bench, he plays more consistent, so I hope LD keeps bringing him off the bench. Also, I suggest JJ keep wearing headbands…It works for Josh and Paul Pierce.
Rick, Woody and LD deserve a lot of blame for Teague’s slow development.
Imagine if Woody had found time for Teague last year (even if it was late in the season)? He would have been more ready this season, and might have forced LD to give him more PT earlier.
Instead, the excuse was Woody was coaching for his job (ironically, he still lost his job, and one comment the co-owner made was he didnt give Teague enough PT), and at the end of the season when the writing was on the wall, Woody said Bibby’s time had passed.
Teague didnt play well earlier in the season, and LD was quick to bury him on the bench behind a declining Bibby. If Teague and LD had done things differently, who knows…we might have been in 4th place right now.
Trojan
March 16th, 2011
8:05 am
Good job MC. Teague is the key. LD, please monitor JJ’s minutes.
terrell
March 16th, 2011
8:06 am
Still laughing @ It was not a bad pick. Hahahaha!
O'Brien
March 16th, 2011
8:10 am
Wabe,
He’s the one that re-up’d Bibby + Mo Evans.
To be fair, Rick didn’t re-up Mo Evans. Evans was signed to a 2 year deal, and a 3rd year player option, so Mo Evans exercised his right to take the option and stay a 3rd year.
That was the mistake Rick made. The 3rd year should have been a team option, so that Rick could have let him go if he wanted.
As for JC2, I was a big fan of his, and I always thought Rick should trade Jamal this past offseason when his value was at its highest, and make Mo Evans and JC2 our backup SGs. Typical Rick, slow to react, didnt do anything.
But with JJ here, JC2 wasn’t going to get the PT needed to develop, and as Najeh points out, its easy to find SGs to come off the bench.
As for the trade, let me ask you this. If the Hawks advance to the second round, and lose 4-2, would that improvement be enough to justify the trade?
ReddJonn68
March 16th, 2011
8:21 am
Said it at the beginning of last year start Teague or trade him. Teague’s mistakes are due his speed it will take the first unit some time to get used to, after all Bibby was always a day late & a dollar short on both sides of the ball. If Sund is going to live & die with this young core, then he better have some energy to make it go.
Drew also needs to sit Josh down & clearly define his role in the offense, he has no business taking idiotic 3’s, he needs to continue attacking the basket & get a reliable 18-footer ala Horford. The more reps with the first unit Teague gets, the better off the future of Hawks. When you make any of these Eastern teams, Magic, Celtics, Heat, & Bulls, it makes them work harder on the offensive end!
terrell
March 16th, 2011
8:29 am
Kevin Mchale
“I just dont know what to think about the Atlanta Hawks”
WHO DOES?
terrell
March 16th, 2011
8:32 am
Ryan M, I think he said worse trade in HAWKS history. At least I hope he did. Absurd either way.
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
8:33 am
terrell
March 16th, 2011
6:35 am
“Get over Jordan Crawford already. OMG! Anybody can look good on the Wizards.”
I’ll be honest, I was very high on this kid coming out of college. Watched him last season throughout college and thought he was a pure scorer. I was screaming at my TV on draft night for the Hawks to get him, and then I was siked when we picked the guy up. So, it’s difficult to see him go for Sund’s stupid mistakes of the past. I wouldn’t be so quick to say scoring lots of points on the Wizards is meaningless. I think the only reason he’s scoring points there is because he’s getting the opportunity to get minutes. Here, he didn’t. I really believe that’s the only difference. I think he was capable of coming off the bench and giving us quick offense. But again, no opportunity to play here.
I just keep going back to what Chills said about this team, and how there’s an environment doesn’t favor young players. Chills wasn’t happy with how this team put it all in the hands of the vets and didn’t necessarily feel comfortable enough to give the rookies enough trust. That’s why you see young guys with the lack of confidence. There’s a lack of trust in younger players, and that makes it difficult for guys like JC2 and Teague.
Again, JC2’s a rookie. We don’t know what he’ll ultimately end up being. We know who Hinrich is, and we know his ceiling isn’t too much higher than where he’s at now. It’s just tough to see us pass up promising young talent for a stop-gap PG, period. Just how I feel.
He still was not a bad pick
March 16th, 2011
8:37 am
@terrell
you would be lying if you said that Marvin was not putting up good numbers when Joe Max was hurt…Instead of focusing on the Hawks true problems (Center,PG,Joe Max,Josh taking long bad jumpers) Hawks fans take the easy way put and blame Marvin…Hate to burst your bubble but you do realize Al was the #3 pick right…Drew is wasting both high picks!
AL Career 291 287 33.7 0.537 0.273 0.761 2.7 7.0 9.7 2.4 0.8 1.1 1.6 2.9 12.8
Marvin Career 415 331 31.1 0.451 0.303 0.807 1.4 3.9 5.4 1.4 0.8 0.5 1.3 2.4 11.7
terrell
March 16th, 2011
8:45 am
Still laughing @ it was not a bad pick.
Marvin has 2 left feet. That wont change no matter how many minutes he gets.
I’m so over Marvin Williams it aint even funny actually.
terrell
March 16th, 2011
8:47 am
Worse starting sf in the NBA.
Edit:
USED TO BE the worse starting sf in the NBA. lol!
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
8:48 am
O’Brien
March 16th, 2011
8:10 am
Wabe,
He’s the one that re-up’d Bibby + Mo Evans.
“To be fair, Rick didn’t re-up Mo Evans. Evans was signed to a 2 year deal, and a 3rd year player option, so Mo Evans exercised his right to take the option and stay a 3rd year.”
Good catch. Point taken. Still think that Sund’s mistakes are holding this team back. Just go back a couple offseasons ago and look at the bad contracts that are holding this team back.
Zaza Pachulia, Mike Bibby, and Marvin Williams all are dead weight, IMO. In Zaza and Marvin’s cases, they’ve had every opportunity to get better, and they just haven’t progressed. Most would argue that they’ve regressed.
People are quick to point out that we had a number of 2-gaurds on the roster. I get it. But, bottom line, were they getting it done? Was this team going anywhere as they were? So, why wouldn’t Drew actually give the young guys some burn when we were stuck in a rut as is? That’s what bugs me. People say we had too many 2-gaurds and that rookies aren’t gonna find consistent minutes on a “playoff team”. Ok, where was this team going? Point blank. This team wasn’t going anywhere, not as they were. I don’t wanna hear the argument that minutes are tough to find on a good team, because really, this team has been “good” for a couple of years now, but they clearly were looking to the wrong people to get them over the top. You look to new faces and young talent in hopes of getting you closer to where you wanna be, not bums like Mike Bibby and Mo Evans. Drew absolutely refused to play the younger guys, even though they were capable of providing a more meaningful impact than Mike Bibby or Mo Evans. How many times can you remember people on this blog in straight up frustration with coach because he wouldn’t give Teague + JC2 minutes over Bibby + Evans?
As we’ve seen with Teague now when he’s gotten a chance to get minutes, he clearly would’ve been a better play than Mike Bibby. I think one can make the same argument for JC2. I don’t think you can argue getting a ton of points on a bad team makes him garbage. How many points is Mo Evans racking up on that garbage team?
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
8:57 am
O’Brien
March 16th, 2011
8:10 am
“As for the trade, let me ask you this. If the Hawks advance to the second round, and lose 4-2, would that improvement be enough to justify the trade?”
It’s tough for me to say OB. Again, I want this team to win something meaningful, even be a serious threat in the playoffs. But, does this move make us that? Not in my eyes. Don’t get me wrong, I think this trade does benefit us, but its a short-lived gain. It just makes our window tighter, so if Sund and company don’t act to surround this group with more talent in the offseason, then I see this move as useless. Kirk Hinrich isn’t the savior. He’s not coming here and getting the Hawks over the top. But, pair this move with a couple of more moves in the offseason, and I think this move makes sense.
But, if this is it, and we traded dead weight for Kirk Hinrich and we see minimal improvement, and short-term improvement at that, I think its useless. Because, at the end of the day, the Hawks will be in the same boat as they were before, but with a slightly different look to them.
Just my 2cents.
He still was not a bad pick
March 16th, 2011
8:59 am
@terrell What about Joe Max?…You talk bad of a guy who gets only 5-8 shots a game..but what about the guy with the MAX CONTRACT, who has given the Hawks nothing in the playoffs at all..this is what Joe Max will be making…
2010/11-$16,324,500 2011/12-$18,038,573 2012/13-$19,752,645 2013/14-$21,466,718 2014/15-$23,180,790 2015/16-$24,894,863
I MUS WRITE
March 16th, 2011
9:03 am
I feel you Rashod, Im not impressed by JJ lighting up the Bucks, Nothing to see here folks, Ill give the man his props when he shows up against the elite teams in our league, Really ? are we impressed by Joe money bags having a good month to make the All Star team and a 34 point game against a bottom feeder. Show me in the playoffs “ROBIN”
Teague out rebounding Marvin and Horford, to go with 6 assists, teague is getting a little better,his speed and on ball defense is paying dividens for this club-that yungn needs to keep starting.
Wtf is wrong with Jamal, he looks nothing like the guy we saw last year.with his mediocre play this year I cant see giving him another contract at 10 per…………………………
Denver is a tuff game tonight -will our guys show or will there be more excuses- We shall see
Samuel
March 16th, 2011
9:06 am
Sorry guys but I can’t get too excited about beating Milwaukee and Portland. I hope we didn’t give up a good young scorer and a 1st round pick to beat .394 and a .567 teams. Wake me up when we beat somebody worth a dam_ consistently. You guys have lowered your expectations tremendously.
lewis
March 16th, 2011
9:09 am
inferiorblogman
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
9:11 am
lmao @ bad pick.
Dude, you’ll never convince anybody here that Marvin was a good pick. You act as if the dude gets no opportunities. The guy’s been playing consistent minutes game after game since he was a rookie.
His own problem if he can’t make anything of his minutes. How many times do you think Marvin touches the ball every game? Every time he touches the ball is a chance for him to prove himself. He’s had years to prove himself, and he can’t do it.
I MUS WRITE
March 16th, 2011
9:15 am
LOL Yeah terrell I saw that….I was like dam homie join the club.
Marvin is not much better tha Sheldon williams at this point -he is a true bench/role player. 6 years in the league and his game seems to regress every year. We should have traded this clown last summer for wilson chandler or rasul butler
no justice
March 16th, 2011
9:27 am
So Teague share no blame for his slow development. Is that what you are saying? So you are saying this is the first time he had a chance to play? I say it about time he started to play like a first round draft choice. The first 20 games of this season he was given many chances to prove his worth and he failed. There are a lot of players in the league who has been worse predicament than Teague and they found a way to shine when they got their chance. Please some of the blame where it belongs.
Mike is back
March 16th, 2011
9:50 am
MsDee, I hear ya on JC2…I don’t think we will know the totally impact of that trade…until we get a chance to see what Armstrong brings to table…for a team that gave up a prized pick…whom everyone knew had star potential…and a team that has been clamoring for help in the pivot…U WOULD THINK THAT…finding opportunities to get Armstrong some minutes in your rotation…would be a no brainer.
Especially, considering the cost and considering the lackluster performance you have been getting from your reserves Bigs on the bench…the worst thing that can happen…is that you create some competition for minutes…instead of the same ole entitlement wait your time BS.
I think a rotation of Zaza, Collins, Armstrong, and Eton…should be enough to permanently move Marvin to the bench and go Big more often.
ag
March 16th, 2011
9:51 am
He still was not a bad pick.. wow, what option was Jeff Teague against Portland the other night? Although their are plays, anyone can shoot the ball. If he was not getting plays for him, why didn’t he redevelop his game as a great rebounder or get a lot of garbage points? Marvin gets so many open looks that he misses. Again, the Hawks should have never drafted a Freshman who did not start in college. PERIOD. Durant and Anthony were both drafted high as Freshman, but they did START and led their teams in scoring.. I will even throw Greg Oden in that same bunch, impact players in college as Freshman.
I have said it several times. Marvin has gained a lot of weight and he is not that athletic anymore. He needs to work on his back to the basket game and develop into our power forward.
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
9:51 am
20 games vs. 6 years
be real
#2 overall selection vs. the 6th-7th PG taken in a PG heavy draft
be real
He still was not a bad pick
March 16th, 2011
9:54 am
@Wabe
Marvin has started his whole career..true..But you and I both know that Woodys iso JOE offense, and Drew basically running the same o has held Marvin back..Use your head my friend..when Joe Max is hurt, Marvin scores at least 18 every game..If the kid is bad like you all say, how does he score like crazy when plays are ran for him?..That should tell you that the hawks are not using the kid right…Joe Max is the man on this team and only shows up against bad teams..he is clearly the problem with the Hawks…When Marvin leaves and scores 20+ppg ATL fans are going to look real stupid!.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 16th, 2011
9:56 am
Wabe @1:25, great post.
The Hinrich trade is good in the short term. As bad as Sund is at drafting and as plentiful as undersized 2-guards are, I’m not sweating the future ramifications of the trade too much. But the trade wouldn’t have been necessary if either a) the Hawks didn’t give a 3 year contract to a PG who was washed up in year one of the deal, b) the Hawks didn’t refuse to develop young point guards, or even c) the Hawks drafted with a plan, which would have implied a trade of Jamal when Jordan was drafted.
The only plan this organization has is to stay under the luxury tax line and wonder why fans who see through their bullsh-t don’t show up.
He still was not a bad pick
March 16th, 2011
10:07 am
ag Durant and Melo were both drafted by teams that ran plays for them and were allowed to get at least 20 shot attempts a game..both have never had to stand around and watch a player dribble the ball for 20 seconds….Joe is the guy on the Hawks who gets the shot attempts and he simply is not that good,..So yeah, maybe Marvin was a bad pick if we were going to make him a stand still jump shot shooter..that is not his game..i had no idea that Woody had no offensive plays other than let Joe dribble the ball all game long….I never heard of a guy drafted #2, almost #1, be a garbage man..Woody hated young pgs and would have wasted Paul or Williams..I think the pick should have been Bynum since we were not going to let Marvin shine..Time to quit using Marvin as an escape goat and focus on the real problems..Center, PG, Josh taking horrible shots, and Joe Johnson inability to show up when the Hawks need him..I have never seen the Hawks lose because of Marvin..not even once.
phil
March 16th, 2011
10:10 am
JJ lit up the Bucks. The Bucks aren’t any good. In more clear terms, it means very little. Nothing in fact because he doesn’t show up in games against good teams. Another example of empty talk coming from these guys, all to disappear just as soon as a good team gets its hands on us again.
I want to think we can win some games that matter, but let’s face it. We can’t based on our track record.
ag
March 16th, 2011
10:12 am
Armstrong is a project. He is not the second coming or anything. He is a career 3 ppg player with 2.6 rbs. He has started only 39 games in his career. Prior to coming to Atl, he was in Sac and Wash and never made an impact for these two ‘non-playoff’ teams. So while we are setting the bar, it really should not be that high.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 16th, 2011
10:13 am
Observation Deck!
If your login I’d does NOT fit in that little box?
It’s too long, therefore, it renders you and your comments irrelevant.
(bloggers should “get their Scroll-On)
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Just saying.
prison mike
March 16th, 2011
10:16 am
MC,
are you implying that JS is still injured or just tired.
ReddJonn68
March 16th, 2011
10:26 am
Everyone needs to stop making excuses for the Hawks & Marvin. He was not ready when he came out of UNC & the Hawks did not scout that draft properly. Look at all those early entries that came out of this years draft ” total garbage”. I have no clue why Sund did not move Marvin before the deadline ( the experiment is over ) for a draft pick or serviceable defender, especially with a team like Denver who has a stockpile of wing players & picks.
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
10:44 am
There’s nothing about Marvin Williams game that makes me think he’s being held back. He gets wide open look after wide open look from beyond the arc, and doesn’t hit them consistently. He’s soft when he attacks the rim. His arms fly up in the air and loses the ball (like Zaza does) more times than not when near the rim, in an attempt to just get the whistle. He’s not a great defender or rebounder.
There’s nothing above average about this guys game. He doesn’t excel beyond a doubt in any aspect of the game. Not scoring, defending, rebounding. I bet Marvin’s fell to the floor more times than he’s scored in his NBA career. He’s soft. He’s a role player that was selected #2 overall when there were clearly better options available. Thus, he was a bad pick.
I’m not gonna get into a back and forth with someone defending Marvin Williams. Lets just agree to disagree.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 16th, 2011
11:04 am
Terrible Twos!
Just like a toddler who becomes terrible at two, (because a 2 year old can now walk and pulls things down) Marvin was not a bad pick at #2.
He was a ‘turrible’ pick at #2.
Not because he can walk and pull things of the shelf, but becasue he can not walk at all. He can’t even walk without losing his balance, much less run up and down a basketball court.
If both your feet turn right and someone is chasing you?
Does that mean you run in circles? No! In Marvin’s case, he falls down!
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Nothing more needs to be said about that. Oh! And, he should have been traded by the trade deadline? He would have, but no GM worth his salt would trade a bag of NBA socks for this guy plus his salary.
I never saw a fan say, “Get dressed kids, we’re gonna’ gas up the car and go see Marvin play at Phillip’s Arena. Yeah!”
Aye Grandma! It’s time for Shuffle Board and Jello in the Activity Room!
He still was not a bad pick
March 16th, 2011
11:11 am
@Wabe OK …when i asked you about the “MAN” on the Hawks you failed to respond, that shows you judge guys by All-star appearances and stats.. .so i have nothing else to say to you!
Najeh Davenpoop
March 16th, 2011
11:15 am
RIP Nate Dogg. There will never be a better hook man, ever.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 16th, 2011
11:18 am
Marvin’s grandma and the fake Rick Sund are hands down my two favorite commenters on this blog. The comic relief is much appreciated.
ALEXANDER
March 16th, 2011
11:25 am
IN ORDER TO GET BETTER THE HAWK MUST CHANGE THEIR CORE I DON’T MEAN TRADE ANY BODY BUT WHO START AND WHO COME OFF THE BENCH.WE NO THEY START OUT SLOW SO THIS IS MY LINE UP …KIRK/TEAGUE/JJ/AL/ARMSTRONG….BENCH..JAMAL/JOSH/MARVINE/WILKIN/ZAZA..THE TEAM PLAY BETTER WHEN AL AND JOSH DON’T PLAY TOGETHER AND MARVIN WOULD MAKE A GREAT BENCH PLAYER AND ARMSTRONG IS BETTER THAN ANY BIG WE HAVE HE JUST NEED TO PLAY YEA I NO HE DON;T PUT A LOT OF POINTS UP BUT THAT NOT WHAT WE NEED FROM OUR BIGS PLAY SOME D AND HIT THE BOARDS..
drmaryb (*_-)
March 16th, 2011
11:26 am
Left, Left … Left, Right, Left!
If your right foot is turned right and your left foot is turned left?
And, you’re running on a treadmill? Do you go anywhere or just run in place?
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Ask Marvin?
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OK, I Got Jokes! But, seriously fellas, we are stuck with Marvin and his contract. He has found a niche and once again, (see UNC) that is glued to the bench. Marvin, as usual, excels coming off the bench. He just plays better from that position on this team and on his UNC team.
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Teague has put together two strong games. Once he gets settles into his starting role, and knows where his minutes are coming from, he can now be mentally prepared to pace himself and play well with the super stars on his teams.
Like Tim Hardaway once said, “I don’t play with scrubs!” When asked, why he doesn’t play in pick up games in the Summer. As an old Tennis prodigy in my own right, I always played better against better competition. Not that I played down to the level of my competition, but I always played better when challenged by better players, usually Men versus Women in my old neighborhood playgrounds. I went on to play for The College of Charleston on a four year scholarship in the early 80’s. If not for a spinal defect, I would have been a Professional Tennis player instead of a Chiropractor, or maybe, I would have been both! So, KPT! (Keep Playing Teague).
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I like the line up we rolled out there last night.
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Jamal followed up a great game against Portland, (20 pts. 2nd half) with 8 assists last night against “The Deer” in the headlights.
Milwaukee looked a dumb old deer standing in the middle of the road, they didn’t even know they were about to get hit! They don’t know nothing. What do they know? What’s a nacho? That’s when you see a fine woman that belongs to somebody else – that’s something that’s Nachos! LOL! (taken from a Tyler Perry play)
Rev in Tampa
March 16th, 2011
11:26 am
MC,
I’m curious about Joe’s suddenly improved shooting last night. Would he credit LD with pointing out flaws in his shot. I have been giving LD a lot of grief lately and wanted to give him credit for a great observation. I copied a couple of paragraphs from the March 11 blogpost:
Drew said he went back and looked at video of J.J.s last several games to analyze his 3-point shots.
“If there is one thing that I notice with his 3, at times, he hesitates,” Drew said. “There is kind of a pause there before he lets it go. I don’t know if that if affects him or not. We went back and looked at some tape as far as Utah. We looked at his feet position, his shoulders; whether he is leading with his right side; is he hesitating, is he bunny-hopping into the shot, is he ‘one-two’ into the shot.”
Lester Conner met with J.J. after Thursday’s practice to show him what the video breakdown of his 3-point shots.
“[They were better] when he caught it and went into rhythm and let it go,” L.D. said. “I’m not saying they are always going to go in, but I really want him not even thinking about it. I want him catching it and going right into his shot. A lot of players when they are wide open they will take their time going into the shot. I think that is one of the worst things you can do. You have got to shoot that thing like someone is coming at you.”
Rev in Tampa
March 16th, 2011
11:31 am
Alexander,
If you are going to post in ALL CAPS with no punctuation and poor spelling then offer some asprin to your readers otherwise we will, as Dr. Mary says, get our scroll on…
Dept. of Unintended Irony
March 16th, 2011
11:38 am
“Time to quit using Marvin as an escape goat and focus on the real problems”
Escapism at it’s best.
Ken Strickland
March 16th, 2011
11:42 am
GRANDAD-Please don’t get the idea that I consider LDrew a stupid person when I use the term STUBBORN STUPIDITY. But when it comes to certain aspects to coaching the Hawks, how else would you classify his insistance on repeating some of the same illadvised moves and decisions that definitely didn’t work for Woodson.
Why repeat the same approach to developing Teague that had nothing but negative results before? Why make the same excuses that didn’t make sense when Woodson made them? Why continue Woodson’s habit of blaming the players for the teams poor DEF, while continuing to rely heavily on the same 2 DEF liabilities?
Why continue relying on the NBA’s slowest, least athletic and productive starting PG, just like Woodson did, yet somehow expect the same starting lineup, and basically the same team overall, to improve?
There has to be an element of STOBBORNESS in this approach, no matter who’s doing it.
And considering how he’s seen first hand how this approach caused the team to turn on Woodson, as well as cost him his job, there has to be an element of STUPIDITY. How else do you explain him repeating the same illadvised decisions, approach and excuses that didn’t work for Woodson, basically with the same players, yet expecting a totally different result?
With Teague and Hinrich, the Hawks no longer have to rely on OFF, especially half court OFF, to score pts and win gms, which was the case before the trade. We are now able to win with DEF, and score easy pts by playing uptempo and fast breaking, which is what this team is best suited to do.
We’re now seeing Teague, Damien and Hinrich come out of their conservative shells and do things they weren’t doing earlier. The reasons for Teague’s conservative approach and unwillingness to expand his gm are well known, while Damien and Hinrich’s reasons were the result of their unfamilarity with the team and its OFF/DEF systems.
As they slowly come out of their shells and expand their gms, they Hawks will become progressively better in the process. One thing I really like that took place in last nights gm was the energy and effort from HArmstrong. While he’s not the one on one post defender that JCollins is, I believe his superior speed, quickness and athleticism will allow him to be a better help defender, rebounder and shot blocker.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 16th, 2011
11:48 am
* once he gets settled into his role … Teague will …
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Duffle Bag Boy!
Once ASKG gave Marvin that “duffle bag”? He relaxed his effort. Marvin needs a personal trainer, (he can reach into his bag-o-money) and pay for a Ballet Class, Yoga, Pilates or Plyo-Metrics trainer this Summer to work on his balance. IDK who he should hire for his shot doctor or nutrionist, but he definitely does not need to go back to UNC and take another class of African American Studies.
Aye Marvin! You can stop counting your money. Yes, the benjamins are real, they are not counterfeit, like your game. It’s true, with your miser ways? You are set for life! So, come on and just focus on basketball.
We are stuck with you and that dufflle bag. We need you to forget about it and just play. Please, continue to get better and help your team. We need you!
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Rev in Tampa
Preach that truth brother! We need a aspirin to read and scroll past all that ISH on here. LOL!
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OK, I’m done. Gotta’ go pay some bills. -smile-
rusty
March 16th, 2011
11:49 am
Washington is giving more time to jc2 over mo while ld let mo play & jc2 sit on the bench. This team would really have been a contender if he had played jt & jc2. I watched jc2 play in the summer league & knew he would be a star.he seemed to be a good passer & someone around here gave him a bad rap about his defense. Every other team in the NBA gives their first rounders time in the first year. I hope ld gives armstrong a chance to play we have to see what he has.
He still was not a bad pick
March 16th, 2011
11:56 am
@drmaryb (*_-) The fact that the regular bloggers respect your basketball mind proves these guys know nothing about basketball…no need to respond, i want read it anyway,.NOW GET YOUR SCROLL ON old lady!
@Dept. of Unintended Irony Do you realize that the Hawks have a player that has a Max contract who never shows up against top competition or the playoffs, we have had 2 coaches who refused to play a center, a hometown hero who has been taking bad shots for 6 years,2 coaches who have refused to play young players, We have a all star pf that is forced to play c,a gm who just traded a 1st round pick and a future 20ppg scorer for Kirk Hinrich,
Rev in Tampa
March 16th, 2011
12:01 pm
Marvin’s Grandma,
It is your tenacity that makes you such a delight to read. Keep bringing it.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 16th, 2011
12:12 pm
One more thing and then I’m done forever with this beaten topic.
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“Washington is giving more time to jc2 over mo while ld let mo play & jc2 sit on the bench.”
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OK, The Hawks and The Wizards are two different teams and are Night and Day comparatively speaking. Bad teams would be an idiot not to develop a promising rookie, what have they got to lose? A trip to the ECF? I think not.
Besides, for the last time, when Jordan was drafted Joe was on the left coast and not returning calls to Drew nor Sund. Once Joe was signed and Jamal not traded, perhaps Jordan should have been traded then rather than at the deadline. But, Teague was coming along slowly, (you can debate as to why?) However, there was no place for Jordan to steal time from Joe nor Jamal. We simply did not need another scorere, there is only one ball in The Naismith game and Jordan is a high volume, streaky scorer, (he is not a pure shooter). Kirk gives us the glue on defense at the point of attack, both defensively and offensively.
So, please stop the mantra, the ranting and the obnoxious repeating of the same thing over and over. Its becoming as old as Marvin’s Grandmas two day old biscuits! Just stop it, with the whining – please!
PG! Center!
No more SG’s please, we are already the most duplicitous team in the entire league.
He still was not a bad pick
March 16th, 2011
12:15 pm
@Rev in Tampa
Ok i am sick of watching the Hawks refuse to play a center..I am tired of young players never getting a time to shine, I am sick to my stomach, knowing that one of the highest paid players in the NBA Joe Max will not show up in the playoffs this year..we drafted Marvin #2 and told him “go stand in the corner” and has failed to use him…..I am from Atlanta and love to talk bball, but my hometown blog is filled with a bunch of guys who nothing about basketball, then its a lady who posts stupid jokes that i bet makes guys like Wabe, and Najeh Davenpoop laugh very hard…then its a guy on here name Rod from college Park, who always bash Marvin and praises Joe Max everyday…DAMN!
drmaryb (*_-)
March 16th, 2011
12:22 pm
Marvin’s Grandma “Got Jokes!” ROF-LOL!
Love truly is blind. Like a Mother of a death row inmate, “Not my Johnny! He’s innocent! He wouldn’t hurt a fly.”
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Later (*_-)
NCBravesFan
March 16th, 2011
12:34 pm
“RIP Nate Dogg. There will never be a better hook man, ever.”
You know, I used to think I was getting old because famous people I knew were dying.
Now I KNOW I’m getting old because famouus people I don’t know are dying.
Dept. of Unintended Irony
March 16th, 2011
12:46 pm
“@Dept. of Unintended Irony Do you realize that the Hawks have a player that has a Max contract who never shows up against top competition or the playoffs, we have had 2 coaches who refused to play a center, a hometown hero who has been taking bad shots for 6 years,2 coaches who have refused to play young players, We have a all star pf that is forced to play c,a gm who just traded a 1st round pick and a future 20ppg scorer for Kirk Hinrich,”
And do you realize that I was poking at you for the phrase “escape goat”?
As far as I know, there’s no such thing. There is a term “scapegoat” to describe one who is blamed while the fault is shared. Perhaps that’s what you were thinking. My mission here at DOUI is to lighten the mood of the blog by pointing out just this kind of harmless mistake in a humorous way. Sorry you didn’t get it.
rusty
March 16th, 2011
12:54 pm
Drmaryb. What were they trying to do develop that sorry mo Evans? Just trying to p,ay like crap which they were doing . I would think you would know better. You often
Spoke that mb should be in the lineup over jt,that jt was a scrub
Daniel
March 16th, 2011
1:24 pm
I guess the answer is the headband.
I love my blog people, but quit debating over player rotations/imaginary trades/etc…
The issue with this team is its fragile psyche. C’mon Joe goes off one night and says he feels more “rested” and that bs gets play???
What team/orginization/fan base would tolerate such limp biscuits from their most expensive player?
Until our team acknowledges that it has a heart problem and then seeks to correct it we will always be one game away from another losing streak.
GunnerWashington
March 16th, 2011
1:26 pm
Last night’s performance by Joe Johnson was one of the best performances in his career. I feel like Joe [HAS THE POTENTIAL] to play like that every single night. Earlier in his career he used to be the man every night. Now, though, he has been surrounded by great scorers such as Al Horford, Josh Smith and Jamal Crawford, so it is no longer necessary for Joe to score 25-30 points a night. He is certainly capable of delivering a performance like that each night. If fans want to be honest, they will “call it like it is” and say that last nights performance by Joe LOOKED EVERY BIT AS GOOD as an elite players performance; someone like a Carmello, LaBron, D-Wade or Kobe. Ive always said that Joe is not just as good as those guys, Joe is better than most of them. Joe has become lazy and doesnt care to perform like that if he doesnt feel like, which is a shame. We now know that JOE HAS BEEN HOLDING BACK AND COULD LEAD THE LEAGUE IN SCORING IF HE FELT INCLINED TO DO SO. When Joe’s playing career is over he should be a first ballot hall of famer, if he is treated fairly by the voters.
Daniel
March 16th, 2011
1:29 pm
Department of Unintended Irony: I only have one problem with your last couple of posts. You didn’t need to point out your joke, you should have kept it going. You should have continued to seriously ask about this new phenomenon of the “escape goat”. Maybe it is a term to describe a goat(or loser) who is always “escaping” the blame. Almost the opposite of the scape goat. The escape goat uses the scape goat to escape from being the goat. Don’t you see how briliant that really is?
In which case, I suggest that Joe’s comments that he was better rested and therefore able to perform at a higher level prove he is indeed the escape goat.
Daniel
March 16th, 2011
1:33 pm
Gunner: How in the world does a player who “has been holding back” “lazy” “doesn’t care to perform” turn into a first ballot hall of famer?
Clearly, in Atlanta it can turn into $125 milion, but the rest of the world knows that coulda/shoulda/woulda’s don’t end up in the HOF.
Worldwide Clyde
March 16th, 2011
1:34 pm
People always saying NBA players are thugs need to read this story.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Players-chip-in-to-save-coach-8217-s-life-after;_ylt=AhYV7vAES7qbeE.lso5XgAI5nYcB?urn=nba-wp184
Geemack
March 16th, 2011
1:39 pm
Daniel
What up homie?
Geemack
March 16th, 2011
1:42 pm
When a TEAM only goes to the line 8 time.
We have serious problems.
The same lack of aggression they showed last year against Orlando still exist.
So I expect the same results come playoff time…a sweep out of the 1st round.
Daniel
March 16th, 2011
1:55 pm
word, Gee.
Ken Strickland
March 16th, 2011
2:01 pm
REV IN TAMPA-I also noticed the difference it JJ’s shooting. Before, he’d come off a screen and be open, but rather than take the open shot, he’d hesitate and try to get closer. When cut off, JJ would go ISO and end up holding and/or pounding the ball. Agaist the Bucks, he took advantage of every open opportunity and stepped into every shot without hesitation.
Knowing he’s going to take his open shots without hesitation, allows his teammates to get into rebounding position, rather than clearing out so he can go ISO. We have 15 gms and some very good competition remaining before the playoffs begins. That’s a lot of time to get Teague, Hinrich, Damien and Armstrong fully incorporated with their teammages and functional.
If I was LDrew, I’d treat the remainder of the season as the beginning of a new season, and the regular season up to this point as an extended training camp and preseason.
PaulWinchester
March 16th, 2011
2:03 pm
If JEFF TEAGUE wants to go to the head of the class and QUICKLY, EXPEDIENTLY, develop into a world-class, all-star player, then Teague SHOULD IMMEDIATELY go into the NBA archives and find as much film on Nate “Tiny” Archibald and Spud “Little Sputnick” Webb. Teague attempting to emulate and copy either or both of those players will result in the Hawks bringing home the Gold Trophy at the end of this season.
vava74
March 16th, 2011
2:03 pm
JJ is not lazy, he has motivational problems.
I think he loses his focus when things around him disappoint him, like last year’s playoffs, midway the Bucks series: he was averaging 27.5ppg, 7rpg and 5.5ass whilst shooting really well UNTIL the limmo incident when players on arrival to MIL went down to party in CHI.
I think JJ did not particularly like to have Bibby around and have to work double shifts to compensate his decaying game and probably does not like Jamal’s play either.
Basically, their characters/type of play are in stark contrast with his.
JJ is an excellent two-way player, every bit as good on defense as he is on offense, making him an excellent all round player.
JJ came into training camp as the guy who signed a 125 million dollar contract and still was the guy who was best fit physically, clocking the best time on the mile.
He was the guy who came off waaaay early from his elbow surgery.
Bibby was lazy, as his extremely poor conditioning showed, and a prankster/goof ball and on court, also due to his lack of conditioning, an increasing liability.
JJ is, on the other hand, a quiet fellow, a guy who only knows how to lead by example and not vocally.
Jamal is all offense and does not even know how much his lack of D or refrain from playing an individual game hurts the team.
JJ, although a guy who holds the rock far too long in many possessions as well, has been the assists leader for this team since he came in, so he cannot be considered egotistical.
Does he have flaws? Sure, but he looks reinvigorated and has been very vocal (a rare exception) in the support of Teague so I am hopeful that he is now feeling better about our chances and will be more motivated and pick up his game.
Ken Strickland
March 16th, 2011
2:08 pm
WORLDWIDE CLYDE-that was a very revealing article, thanks.
Sautee
March 16th, 2011
2:08 pm
RIP Ronnie Hammond, lead singer for the Atlanta Rhythm Section.
terrell
March 16th, 2011
2:14 pm
Portland beat Dallas last night, but when the Hawks beat em, their just mediocre. lol! That was a good win imo. Bucks too, considering they usually give us a hard time. But oh well………..
LuellaPatterson
March 16th, 2011
2:19 pm
I hate to bring this up right when the Hawks are on a roll, but I think race has played a part in Jeff Teagues LACK OF PLAYING TIME and LACK OF DEVELOPMENT. Years ago when we drafted Teague, Teague should have been thrown into the frey right away, but we bring in Mike Bibby who failed to tutor and mentor teague and basically started at point guard for the Hawks and stalled Jeff Teagues career. Then when Bibby is finally sent packing his bags out of town, instead of doing the right thing and quickly inserting Teague into the starting lineup, instead we trade for someone we dont really need in an attempt to put in as point guard (starter) THE GREAT WHITE HOPE (Hinrich). This is the second time that a white player has pre-empted Teague and was pushed themselves in front of him in the starting lineup. The first one was Mike Bibby. As long as teague has been in the league, Teague should be one of the premier point guards, and should be as good as Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook or Rajon Rondo. Instead Teague is playing out there like he is lost most of the time, with his only breakout game against Portland. I hope that Teague is permanently put into the starting lineup and Hinrich comes in to backup Teague. That is how the rotation is supposed to go. But if a franchise must have a “GREAT WHITE HOPE”, then it will be either Mike Bibby or Kurt Hinrich starting at point guard for the Hawks instead of the faster, more electifying, more talented Teague. What a shame!
mykhalc
March 16th, 2011
2:24 pm
@Clyde…yep kudos for the link!! great story!!
can we PLEASE find a vocal leader???
still wanna see Kirk/JJ/Josh/Al/Hilton get some extended burn time….
and JT/JJ/Josh/Al/Hilton…for that matter. but as i said yesterday, Teague’s demeanor bothers me. we already have one cat that refuses to be the vocal leader and Teague’s personality seems to be right outta that same mold. we NEED somebody, who both thru their play and words, takes a hold of this team!!! can someone step up PLEASE!!!???
EmirS.
March 16th, 2011
2:32 pm
I think its very unfair to say Joe only had a good game because we are playing the Bucks. First and foremost, the Bucks are a better team then their record indicates. Like Memphis and Phoenix.
Secondly, Joe was on his game tonight. Wheter you bring in the Lakers or the Bulls on this night, Joe would have and could have still went off. Maybe a little less points or maybe more…depending on what the defense brought. When a guy is on point…then he is on point. Once a scorer gets in rhytm, then good luck keeping him away from his points.
I dont know if you guys remember that one game between the Hawks and Lakers in Phillips Arena about maybe either 2 or 3 years ago. When Joe went head to head with Kobe matching point after point, three after three, drive in after drive in. Both men played exceptional defense on each other, but becuase they are scorers…and scorer in rhytm and on point…there was no amount of defense that could stop them.
northcyde
March 16th, 2011
2:33 pm
@ it was not a bad pick
The problem I have with your assessment of Marvin, is the same one I have with how people say that coach held Teague back. True ballers play well enough, even in spot minutes, to MAKE the coach play them. And they play well enough to MAKE AN IMPACT on a game.
One of the biggest problems I have with Marvin, is that he basically let 4 guys come in here, and take playing time away from him. And the big problem, is that they were ALL GUARDS.
- Flip took time away from Marvin, because Flip proved in 2 months that he could be an offensive piece that could be counted on, more than Marvin could
- Jamal came in and took time from Marvin right away, because of his ability to score in bunches
- And now Hinrich has taken time from Marvin, because his perimeter defensive abilities at the 1 and the 2 give coach the freedom to move JJ to the 3.
No matter how much or how little Marvin touches the ball, it still doesn’t prevent him from making an impact on a game.
- he could be a defender/shooter like a young Shane Battier
- he could be slasher like Corey Maggettee that consistently gets to the FT line
- he could be a 3 point specialist like a Shawne Williams
- he could be a rebounder like Shawn Marion ( who in his “old age” is still an above average rebounder at the SF position )
But he’s neither of those guys.
To me, Marvin isn’t a horrible player like some make him out to be. He’s just isn’t great at one particular thing that will keep him out on the floor. He’s like a C-student that make all C’s in every subject . . not a C-student who may make A’s in History, but F’s in Math. But at least that type of C-student can be counted on to do one thing particularly well.
If Marvin was at least a “specialist”, you could justify and measure his impact every game.
According to hoopsstats.com, Marvin is 24th in minutes per game amongst the current SFs in the league. So say that we use the 24th ranking, as a barometer for where he should stack up amongst all SFs. This is where Marvin ranks per category:
Points: 26th
Rebounds: 17th
. . Off Rebs: 15th
. . Def Rebs: 15th
Assists: 30th
Steals: 42nd
Blocks: 31st
FG%: 35th
3FG%: 54th
FT%: 12th
Efficiency: 22nd
So when you look at this statistical snapshot of how Marvin stacks up against the rest of the SFs in the league, it shows that Marvin rebounds and shoot FTs better than most SFs. In every other category, he is average or below average. If I were to run his defensive numbers from other sites, he’d be average to slighly above average on defense.
So in actuality, the main thing that Marvin does relatively well, is shoot FTs. But when you only get to the line 2.6 times a game, even that isn’t something that we can rely on every game.
Blaming Joe Johnson for taking touches away from him, does NOT prevent him from being at least a specialist type player in other areas. If he were at least a very good specialist in ONE AREA, people wouldn’t complain about him so much.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 16th, 2011
2:34 pm
Pollo Loco!
(Drive Thru) is closed for remodeling. Please come inside.
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Welcome to Pollo Loco, May I take your order please?
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Yes, I would like a soft taco stuffed with chicken please.
(pre-Teague hawks)
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That’s the “Dirty-Bird” Soft Taco, sorry that item is no longer on the menu. It comes in a Hard Taco now, they ain’t soft nomo’.
Would you like the combo? It comes with two sides and a drink for $6.99.
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$6.99? It was $5.99 just last week!
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Yes, I know. Last week “The Dirty Bird” was soft. It cost extra to be hard. What are your two sides, Mam?
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What do you have for sides?
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Side Items
Pickled Pigs Feet (twin)
Locks and Bagels (etan thomas)
Low Post Monkey Bread (hilton)
He Hate Me – hash browns (teague)
Flip-Flopped Pancakes (marvin)
Brick Oven Pizza (zaza)
Back Court ‘all beef’ Mini-Burgers (teague,kirk,joe)
Ham Sandwich (al horford) $1.49 up charge
Grandma’s 2 day old biscuits (it was not a bad pick)
Core on the Cob (rick sund)
Dime-A-Dozen Nut Sacks (ASKG)
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Just Desserts
Peachtree Turnover Smoothie (j-smoove)
Licky Sticky Laffy-Taffy (damien)
Black Hole Donuts (jamal)
Pay-Day Candy Bar (Joe)
Choco-Nilla Shake (kirk)
Cadbury Chocolate Easter Egg (larry drew) ..pretty, but hollow!
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Drinks
Pepsi (fake-fans) …generation “Y” were they born?
Coke (The Real Thing! Fans)
Bench-B!tch Brew (etan)
Mug-Shot Shooter (josh powell)
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Breaking News!
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The Mug-Shot Shooter was seen shooting blanks in a public arena.
If you see him, do not approach – call 911.
Suspect is considered armed and dangerous.
aka: Coach-Killer, Locker-Room Bandit.
prior arrest: conduct detrimental to a team – misdemeanor
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That’s my Hawks!
northcyde
March 16th, 2011
2:36 pm
I listed 3 guys . . but the 4th guy I was going to list, was Mo Evans. But Mo really only took Marvin’s minutes when he was hurt. He didn’t take minutes from him when he was healthy. Flip did though.
northcyde
March 16th, 2011
2:41 pm
Even with Childress, if there was one thing that you KNEW Chill could do, it was rebound the ball on the offensive glass. He made a living crashing the boards, and getting out on the fast break and scoring in transition.
Marvin just needs to do SOMETHING well, and people will stay off his back. Either do SOMETHING well . . or play consistent basketball on a nightly basis as a complimentary player
drmaryb (*_-)
March 16th, 2011
2:46 pm
Bingo!
northcyde has put Marvin and his Grandma to rest!
They have both been eulogized!
We real bloggers can bury them side-by-side and their tombstone will read:
Marvin Williams –
“He is very tall and shot FT’s well.”
-bibby-
Grandma Williams -
“She loved her grandson to the very end.”
-drmaryb-
northcyde
March 16th, 2011
2:51 pm
At least Teague is now finding a niche with this team as a defensive specialist. I wish he could’ve done this earlier in the season as a reserve PG, maybe he would’ve played more.
But if by him starting helps these guys that much on defense, then Drew has to at least go with this for a few more weeks vs Miami, Orlando and Boston, just to see how the lineup looks vs those teams. Especially against Boston, because that’s the team that has throttled us twice.
If the lineup is somewhat successful, and if it makes our bench stronger, this may be the way to go in the playoffs.
People just can’t expect great, or even good offensive numbers with Teague as a starter. But if he’s able to limit the other guy from going off, then he’ll be OK in his new role.
mykhalc
March 16th, 2011
2:51 pm
@northcyde…yep…good points…especially about Chill. Marvin has found his place. and to be honest, he looks a LOT more comfortable in it.
vava74
March 16th, 2011
2:55 pm
LuellaPatterson,
I hate to break the news but Bibby is at least a quarter black so your theory may be a little bit off
FYI Bibby’s father – Henry Bibby – is half black, half white.
I understand that to be 25% or 50% black is considered 100% black there in the USA.
Just like Obama…
I know that you have many past (semi-present) wounds, but to rub salt in them does not seem help from where I see it…
If you wanted to bring up the reason why ATL paid so much to Koncak, drafted Keefe and so many other scubs…
…then we could have a subject of some stupid blog talk to work on, but to pick on Hinrich which is a bona fide grade B+ player in this league is pure nonsense.
Daniel
March 16th, 2011
3:05 pm
Luella- It must be sad to look at an NBA team with a black head coach. 10 black players. one georgian and one american caucasion and still feel that the black man is getting held back. What is on the radio there in 1964?
Daniel
March 16th, 2011
3:06 pm
northcyde- most NBA people consider Childress to be one of if not the biggest free agent busts of the season and a perfect example of how the economics of the NBA is out of whack. Just sayin’
vava74
March 16th, 2011
3:12 pm
Daniel,
I think Childress main problem – and PHO’s – is that they already had a similar player in Dudley.
It’s like having two red ties, you need to have one but it will never be your main tie, so why buy a second one?
drmaryb (*_-)
March 16th, 2011
3:17 pm
Squeaky Wheel – Get’s No Oil!
“Drmaryb. What were they trying to do develop that sorry mo Evans? Just trying to p,ay like crap which they were doing . I would think you would know better. You often
Spoke that mb should be in the lineup over jt,that jt was a scrub”
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I have never been a Bibby over JT0 commenter. Actually, I don’t feel that way. I have never labled JT a “scrub” I have never seen him play enough to make an assessment. I questioned, “If he is so great? Why doesn’t he play?”
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Please find and post my comment to support your baseless statement.
And, please, be on point.
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Next dissenter, please!
Rufus1
March 16th, 2011
3:18 pm
I blame the coaching over the past 6 1/2 years….
I blame the coaching over the past 6 1/2 years for the lack of defined roles on this team. The players on this team all think they are GREAT all-around players…THEY ARE NOT.
Woody and LD never created defined role for each player, so they could compliment each other. They have spent their careers mimicking each other instead of becoming GREAT AT ONE THING.
ALL OF OUR CORE PLAYERS ARE AVERAGE…
Al is a “A” jumpshooter but “D” low post players and has an “F” left hand.
Josh is an “A” shot blocker, “C+” Rebounder, “D” jumpshooter and a “D-” right hand.
Marvin is a “C+” jumpshooter, “C” rebounder, “B” defender and “C” low post player because he can finish with his left hand.
Joe is just a “B” all-around players, except he get an “F” for drawing fouls.
If Woody had a solid offensive Identity we would not be in this position.
Marvin should have been our defensive and 3pt specialist.
Josh should be our low post presence(7 years and can’t finish with his right hand)or he should be a shotblocking and rebounding specialist.
If Woody understood the importance of DIRECTION, we would not be complaining about all of our players and draft picks.
Popavinch, told Jefferson that he would have to play off GINO, Parker and Duncan…so he developed a 3pt shot and became an asset.
LD and Woody coached like every player is a Star(except young PG) and we have suffered for it.
We blame Marvin for not being aggressive. We blame Josh for being too aggressive. WE SHOULD BLAME THE COACHES FOR NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH DIRECTION.
mykhalc
March 16th, 2011
3:34 pm
we need a leader that can lead, is heard, and will be followed…PERIOD!!!! coaches included!!!
drmaryb (*_-)
March 16th, 2011
3:55 pm
Profound!
This is the most profound comment of the day, along-side northcyde’s assessment of Marvin:
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“I blame the coaching over the past 6 1/2 years….
I blame the coaching over the past 6 1/2 years for the lack of defined roles on this team. The players on this team all think they are GREAT all-around players…THEY ARE NOT.”
-rufus1-
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You Go Boy! Amen!
Rod from College Park
March 16th, 2011
3:56 pm
New blog
drmaryb (*_-)
March 16th, 2011
4:17 pm
Unsatisfied Customer!
Pollo Loco!
(Drive Thru) Closed for remodeling. Please come inside.
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Mam, I didn’t get any hot-sauce with my order. (Jamal)
And, I said, “No Onions! They make my cry!” (Cry-Ami Heat)
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Me love you long time. Happy Ending!
ShempHoward
March 16th, 2011
4:29 pm
In spite of all the negative blogs that I have read about the Hawks today, I still think that there is enough FIREPOWER, ATHLETIC ABILITY and BRAINPOWER on the Hawks team to win the NBA title this summer. The Hawks have shown me that when they are motivated, they can beat the NBA’s most elite teams. The Hawks stifled the Bulls two weeks ago when they came back to overtake them 83-80..If I didnt think the Hawks could win it all, I would have thrown my tv out the window by now. One other thing: I wish that Grandma Williams will bring Marvin his lunch money and come and remove her grandson off the team before Marvin ruins our chances to become World Champions.
ag
March 16th, 2011
5:09 pm
LuellaPatterson
Great white hope????? I guess we sure could have used him during the Speedy Claxton, Royal Ivey regime etc… (although we also had Lue), but I am confused… if your father is black aren’t you black (Bibby, Lue)??
Only one person on this blog EVER defends Marvin and off the top of my head he never post during the game…. things that make you go hmmmm.
Last season Jamal admitted to reading the blogs.. I also notice Marvin plays a little better when we are ripping him the most…
Do you all realize Hilton Armstrong has been in the league 6 years and has less on his resume than Marvin – but people want him to start?
ag
March 16th, 2011
5:21 pm
cosign NorthClyde on Marvin – except for the Teague part. Teague has shown flashes and was rewarded with DNP’s after the flash (SEE Lakers/Portland last year or Cavs/Bucks last year or even Celtics/ 76ers this year. Even against Portland he played 44 minutes, but last night (aside from playing the entire 4th) he didn’t play that much.
The Game Has Changed
March 16th, 2011
5:23 pm
@Shemphoward- I feel the same way. We can beat anyone. Marvin needs to play better.
sam'l
March 16th, 2011
6:01 pm
Odd blog. I think if the Hawks were to win NOW, everyone would be happy, right? Anyway, that’s what I’m hoping for.
Little Fawkers
March 17th, 2011
9:11 pm
Dominique Wilkins was a great player but he blows as an announcer. Is he even watching the same games we are?