Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 110, Bucks 85
- I couldn’t decide on the strangest sight tonight: Joe in a giant headband, Joe playing like an All-Star shotmaker or he and the other Hawks regulars laughing and joking on the bench in the fourth quarter of a blowout W.
- It had been a while since all of those things happened for the Hawks.
- “We haven’t had a win like this, I don’t think, all year,” L.D. said. “This was a huge win against a very quality team.”
- Well the Bucks are a quality defensive team, at least. Not many opponents shoot well against the Bucks, and that could have meant trouble for the Hawks if they came out jump-shot happy, missed, and kept jacking.
- Instead they came out running and J.J., wearing his magic headband, couldn’t miss.
- “That was the Joe of Old,” Drew said.
- Suddenly everything that hadn’t been working for so long was clicking. J.J. made runners, post-ups, pull-ups, baseline turnarounds and 3-pointers. Lots and lots of 3-pointers, including five in a row as the Hawks buried the Bucks in the first half.
- “It was just a feeling, and I just let it go,” he said.
- Joe looked spry on defense, too.
- “He was fighting through screens,” Drew said. “He just had a solid, solid overall game on both ends of the floor. He was making shots, but I thought defensively he did a tremendous job as well.”
- J.J. said two days off helped him feel better. I’m thinking this means that L.D. needs to find him as many days off as possible.
- The Hawks aren’t going anywhere if Joe can’t play up to his usual level. This has to be the start of something for him.
- “It gives us a lot of confidence,” Al said. “When Joe is going like that, he’s as good as anyone in the league. I’m really happy for him tonight to get it going and hopefully it starts building some momentum for him for the playoffs.”
- The Hawks ran smart tonight. Five of their 12 field goals in the first quarter came by way of fast breaks and there weren’t many of the silly turnovers they had against the Blazers. Atlanta would have had more transition points if the Bucks hadn’t fouled a few times to prevent easy run-outs.
- It’s encouraging for the Hawks to run against an opponent that’s capable of grinding them down in the half court.
- “With the change in the lineup, it has allowed us to get out a little bit more in transition, particularly with Jeff Teague,” Drew said. “I thought Kirk did a good job as well. We got stops and we got our break going. Both Al and Josh Smith did a great job of running the floor. We put a lot of emphasis on that before the game. We really wanted to make Bogut run the floor, get him up and down.”
- Brandon Jennings is Milwaukee’s speed guy but Teague had him tied up. It was one thing for Teague to get into Andre Miller’s chest and keep him from getting near the basket, quite another for him to do the same to Jennings.
- “You look at Teague’s line, you may not be impressed from a numbers standpoint, but I thought he set the tone early with Jennings,” L.D. said. “He got up on him early at the half court, picked him up some in the back court. To be honest, in the past, we weren’t able to do that.”
- Bogut got his but he didn’t get much help so the Bucks had no chance to match Atlanta’s hot scoring.
- “Everyone played solid on the defensive end, we helped each other out like we should play,” Al said. “They came in here earlier in the year and beat us pretty bad, so we didn’t forget that game.”
- There were times when the Bucks looked as if they would rather be somewhere else. Salmons was the worst offender.
- “We had trouble getting back on defense early in the game and we looked a little bit tired,” Scott Skiles said. “We tried to put fresher bodies in there but that didn’t work. It was just one of those games where we didn’t play very well. . . . They dictated to us instead of us to them.”
- It’s clear Smoove doesn’t have the same spring in his legs and really hasn’t for much of the season. But he’s still managing to dig out rebounds, challenge shots and finish dunks on the break. Now if he can just cut down on the turnovers.
- This was another strong defensive rebounding game for the Hawks, who collected 36 of Milwaukee’s 50 misses (plus three team rebounds). A subpar game on the boards from Al (five rebounds) was offset by Josh’s 14 rebounds and a combined 13 from Joe, Teague and Hinrich.
- “We make it a point for our guards to get in there,” Drew said. “We use the term ‘gang rebound.’ It’s not just for the big guys, it’s for everybody. It’s got to be everybody in there on the glass and chasing down loose balls.”
- Marvin doesn’t like to come off the bench but it seems like he gets right to work when he’s a reserve. He was strong and confident while taking the Bucks into the post.
- Jamal scored just four points on four shots but had eight assists against three turnovers.
- Damien has scored in double figures in three of the last four games.
- Circumstances dictate that Ken S. takes over for the next few days, blog people. Be cool until I get back.
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mykhalc
March 16th, 2011
1:41 am
yep…i knew i wanted him before ’somebody’ that we picked!!! Sheldon…WOW!!! you know, the Hawks really do suck at draftin’!!!
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
1:41 am
Grandad, no argument that there’s improvement.
But, is that improvement good enough? Is it good enough to mean anything? How far will these improved Hawks get?
It’s a short-term gain. Unless this short-term improvement gets you closer to the promise land, it’s useless salvaging your future for it.
It’s similar to the argument many were making against the Celtics when they aquired Garnett and Allen. People were arguing that the C’s basically salvaged their future for a short-term gain. Sure, they improved immediately in the short term, but had they not won that ring and contended, would the move had been a successful move? Ultimately, they did win a ring, so things worked out for them.
Same deal here. Unless the Hawks moves make them closer to a championship caliber unit, there’s no point trading away guys with promising futures for average NBA players that aren’t gonna get the Hawks over the top. We can argue whether bringing Hinrich in makes the Hawks closer to a championship-caliber unit, but really…
They’re not going anywhere in this Eastern Conference.
Now, when the Hinrich deal happened, I was hoping it’d be a stepping stone to another move to bolster the talent level on the roster. We didn’t see it prior to the trade deadline, but, if the Hawks go into the offseason and surround this group with some more talent, then ok, I’ll buy into the move. But, unless the necessary moves are made *after* this deal, this move was useless.
Grandad
March 16th, 2011
1:55 am
Wabe
All good points.
We were overstocked at the [2] position.
Now, if we let Jamal walk, then ???, I’ll be somewhat puzzled.
I hated losing the pick more, because I think Nolan Smith
will be around at that pick.
But he’s a younger Hinrich and we are [the players] in their prime.
* Win Now *
The Hawks must, Must, MUST, get a legit Big in here next year
for us [the Hawks] to challenge for the title.
Not the EC title but the whole shootin’ match.
Two legit Bigs would be even better.
* Bigs that Rebound !
Jae Evolution
March 16th, 2011
2:17 am
Whoever was talking about Keith Benson a few blogs ago, I really like that kid.
6′11 Good footwork, good lost post game, blocks shots, rebounds.
Only problem is he would be a reach for us to get him in the 2nd round, even with out Houston pick if all goes well. If we were to get him, he could possibly be our starting center if he added some weight in the offseason, but that kid should be priority #1.
Worldwide Clyde
March 16th, 2011
2:28 am
RIP Nate Dogg
hawks_4_life
March 16th, 2011
4:07 am
JOKE OF THE DAY
ARMSTRONG MORE POLISHED THAN AL……LOL
rionrustle at yahoo dot com
March 16th, 2011
4:16 am
How do I get tickets to sit in the Sixth Man section?
EmirS.
March 16th, 2011
4:42 am
@hawks_4_life
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** http://thesaurus.com/browse/big (Pick out a few that you like)
hawks_4_life
March 16th, 2011
5:12 am
He is not even more massive than Al. Dude is thin, that said I think he can be an asset but more polished than Al, come on.
MsDee
March 16th, 2011
5:31 am
Just went to chk out JC2 from Washington and my boy played ALL 48MINS to get 27pts,4rbs,4ast, only 2TO’s. J.Wall with 17pts,11rebs,but a whopping 7 TO’S..wow. McGee with a triple-double w/11pts, 12 rebs, & a whopping 12 blocks..wow!
superiorblogman
March 16th, 2011
5:41 am
Keith Benson is weak. The kid can not even average double figure rebounds in that Mid Major conference he plays in. His ceiling is Larry Sanders. Anyone calling for Benson does not know how to evaluate talent. So, that is probably who we get. Renardo Sidney and Klay Thompson would both be better for the Hawks. Sidney is a legit 6″9 without shoes, he is like Dejuain Blair or Big Baby with 3 to 4 inches. Klay Thompson will be just as good as Kevin Martin in the pro’s 3 to 5 years from now.
superiorblogman
March 16th, 2011
5:48 am
Grandad
March 16th, 2011
1:19 am
Mr superiorblogman;
I must disagree concerning the trade.
At this time I wish it to be noted that I’m the 1st
to put forth the name:
— Giorgi Shermadini —
7-1, Georgian (think borscht not grits) [or Zaza]
most probably will be available in 2nd round
More later, I just wanted to be the 1st to introduce the name.
Grandad: I have 0 respect for any of your opinions towards basketball. You have not typed a sensible thing in all my time on this blog. Please never respond to me directly again. It would be just like the Hawks to select some foreign guy with zero talent that will never play for the Hawks. You are Rick Sund a old idiot that makes dumb rash decisions on a daily basis.
terrell
March 16th, 2011
6:35 am
Get over Jordan Crawford already. OMG! Anybody can look good on the Wizards.
Ryan M.
March 16th, 2011
6:43 am
Worst trades of all time? My lord, get some perspective here.
Worse than Kobe Bryant for Vlade DIvac by the Hornets?
Worse than the Bucks trading away Dirk NOwitski for Robert Traylor?
Worse than the 76ers trading Charles Barkley to the Suns for Andrew Lang, Tim Perry and Jeff Hornacek?
Worse than Portland trading the rights to Randy Foye to the Minnesota Timberwolves for the rights to Brandon Roy?
Worse than Seattle trading Scottie Pippen to Chicago for Olden Polynice?
Worse than San Antonio trading Dennis Rodman to Chicago for Will Perdue?
Trading Dominique WIlkens for 22 games of Danny Manning? Worse than that? It isn’t even close to the worst HAWKS trade of all time.
Even presuming its that ‘bad’
I think you think Jordan Crawford’s first name is his last name, for some reason.
He still was not a bad pick
March 16th, 2011
6:57 am
Free Marvin..Jordan got out of jail and look at his production…No way Marvin should be coming off the bench…I feel like he has been punish for being the 4th option on a solid team…Never really understood why Drew rarely called plays for Marvin, while he was starting…When Joe Max was hurt, thought Marvin proved he could score if the Hawks ran plays for him..Drew is just like Woody..Sund should have hired a coach from outside the organization!!
Ryan M.
March 16th, 2011
7:23 am
You know, I bet allot of those whining about Trading Crawford now were whining about drafting him when THAT happened.
Ryan M.
March 16th, 2011
7:26 am
And who thought Teague was a complete waste of a draft pick that we should start immediately.
O'Brien
March 16th, 2011
7:47 am
Good team win. And although Marvin doesnt like coming off the bench, he plays more consistent, so I hope LD keeps bringing him off the bench. Also, I suggest JJ keep wearing headbands…It works for Josh and Paul Pierce.
Rick, Woody and LD deserve a lot of blame for Teague’s slow development.
Imagine if Woody had found time for Teague last year (even if it was late in the season)? He would have been more ready this season, and might have forced LD to give him more PT earlier.
Instead, the excuse was Woody was coaching for his job (ironically, he still lost his job, and one comment the co-owner made was he didnt give Teague enough PT), and at the end of the season when the writing was on the wall, Woody said Bibby’s time had passed.
Teague didnt play well earlier in the season, and LD was quick to bury him on the bench behind a declining Bibby. If Teague and LD had done things differently, who knows…we might have been in 4th place right now.
Trojan
March 16th, 2011
8:05 am
Good job MC. Teague is the key. LD, please monitor JJ’s minutes.
terrell
March 16th, 2011
8:06 am
Still laughing @ It was not a bad pick. Hahahaha!
O'Brien
March 16th, 2011
8:10 am
Wabe,
He’s the one that re-up’d Bibby + Mo Evans.
To be fair, Rick didn’t re-up Mo Evans. Evans was signed to a 2 year deal, and a 3rd year player option, so Mo Evans exercised his right to take the option and stay a 3rd year.
That was the mistake Rick made. The 3rd year should have been a team option, so that Rick could have let him go if he wanted.
As for JC2, I was a big fan of his, and I always thought Rick should trade Jamal this past offseason when his value was at its highest, and make Mo Evans and JC2 our backup SGs. Typical Rick, slow to react, didnt do anything.
But with JJ here, JC2 wasn’t going to get the PT needed to develop, and as Najeh points out, its easy to find SGs to come off the bench.
As for the trade, let me ask you this. If the Hawks advance to the second round, and lose 4-2, would that improvement be enough to justify the trade?
ReddJonn68
March 16th, 2011
8:21 am
Said it at the beginning of last year start Teague or trade him. Teague’s mistakes are due his speed it will take the first unit some time to get used to, after all Bibby was always a day late & a dollar short on both sides of the ball. If Sund is going to live & die with this young core, then he better have some energy to make it go.
Drew also needs to sit Josh down & clearly define his role in the offense, he has no business taking idiotic 3’s, he needs to continue attacking the basket & get a reliable 18-footer ala Horford. The more reps with the first unit Teague gets, the better off the future of Hawks. When you make any of these Eastern teams, Magic, Celtics, Heat, & Bulls, it makes them work harder on the offensive end!
terrell
March 16th, 2011
8:29 am
Kevin Mchale
“I just dont know what to think about the Atlanta Hawks”
WHO DOES?
terrell
March 16th, 2011
8:32 am
Ryan M, I think he said worse trade in HAWKS history. At least I hope he did. Absurd either way.
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
8:33 am
terrell
March 16th, 2011
6:35 am
“Get over Jordan Crawford already. OMG! Anybody can look good on the Wizards.”
I’ll be honest, I was very high on this kid coming out of college. Watched him last season throughout college and thought he was a pure scorer. I was screaming at my TV on draft night for the Hawks to get him, and then I was siked when we picked the guy up. So, it’s difficult to see him go for Sund’s stupid mistakes of the past. I wouldn’t be so quick to say scoring lots of points on the Wizards is meaningless. I think the only reason he’s scoring points there is because he’s getting the opportunity to get minutes. Here, he didn’t. I really believe that’s the only difference. I think he was capable of coming off the bench and giving us quick offense. But again, no opportunity to play here.
I just keep going back to what Chills said about this team, and how there’s an environment doesn’t favor young players. Chills wasn’t happy with how this team put it all in the hands of the vets and didn’t necessarily feel comfortable enough to give the rookies enough trust. That’s why you see young guys with the lack of confidence. There’s a lack of trust in younger players, and that makes it difficult for guys like JC2 and Teague.
Again, JC2’s a rookie. We don’t know what he’ll ultimately end up being. We know who Hinrich is, and we know his ceiling isn’t too much higher than where he’s at now. It’s just tough to see us pass up promising young talent for a stop-gap PG, period. Just how I feel.
He still was not a bad pick
March 16th, 2011
8:37 am
@terrell
you would be lying if you said that Marvin was not putting up good numbers when Joe Max was hurt…Instead of focusing on the Hawks true problems (Center,PG,Joe Max,Josh taking long bad jumpers) Hawks fans take the easy way put and blame Marvin…Hate to burst your bubble but you do realize Al was the #3 pick right…Drew is wasting both high picks!
AL Career 291 287 33.7 0.537 0.273 0.761 2.7 7.0 9.7 2.4 0.8 1.1 1.6 2.9 12.8
Marvin Career 415 331 31.1 0.451 0.303 0.807 1.4 3.9 5.4 1.4 0.8 0.5 1.3 2.4 11.7
terrell
March 16th, 2011
8:45 am
Still laughing @ it was not a bad pick.
Marvin has 2 left feet. That wont change no matter how many minutes he gets.
I’m so over Marvin Williams it aint even funny actually.
terrell
March 16th, 2011
8:47 am
Worse starting sf in the NBA.
Edit:
USED TO BE the worse starting sf in the NBA. lol!
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
8:48 am
O’Brien
March 16th, 2011
8:10 am
Wabe,
He’s the one that re-up’d Bibby + Mo Evans.
“To be fair, Rick didn’t re-up Mo Evans. Evans was signed to a 2 year deal, and a 3rd year player option, so Mo Evans exercised his right to take the option and stay a 3rd year.”
Good catch. Point taken. Still think that Sund’s mistakes are holding this team back. Just go back a couple offseasons ago and look at the bad contracts that are holding this team back.
Zaza Pachulia, Mike Bibby, and Marvin Williams all are dead weight, IMO. In Zaza and Marvin’s cases, they’ve had every opportunity to get better, and they just haven’t progressed. Most would argue that they’ve regressed.
People are quick to point out that we had a number of 2-gaurds on the roster. I get it. But, bottom line, were they getting it done? Was this team going anywhere as they were? So, why wouldn’t Drew actually give the young guys some burn when we were stuck in a rut as is? That’s what bugs me. People say we had too many 2-gaurds and that rookies aren’t gonna find consistent minutes on a “playoff team”. Ok, where was this team going? Point blank. This team wasn’t going anywhere, not as they were. I don’t wanna hear the argument that minutes are tough to find on a good team, because really, this team has been “good” for a couple of years now, but they clearly were looking to the wrong people to get them over the top. You look to new faces and young talent in hopes of getting you closer to where you wanna be, not bums like Mike Bibby and Mo Evans. Drew absolutely refused to play the younger guys, even though they were capable of providing a more meaningful impact than Mike Bibby or Mo Evans. How many times can you remember people on this blog in straight up frustration with coach because he wouldn’t give Teague + JC2 minutes over Bibby + Evans?
As we’ve seen with Teague now when he’s gotten a chance to get minutes, he clearly would’ve been a better play than Mike Bibby. I think one can make the same argument for JC2. I don’t think you can argue getting a ton of points on a bad team makes him garbage. How many points is Mo Evans racking up on that garbage team?
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
8:57 am
O’Brien
March 16th, 2011
8:10 am
“As for the trade, let me ask you this. If the Hawks advance to the second round, and lose 4-2, would that improvement be enough to justify the trade?”
It’s tough for me to say OB. Again, I want this team to win something meaningful, even be a serious threat in the playoffs. But, does this move make us that? Not in my eyes. Don’t get me wrong, I think this trade does benefit us, but its a short-lived gain. It just makes our window tighter, so if Sund and company don’t act to surround this group with more talent in the offseason, then I see this move as useless. Kirk Hinrich isn’t the savior. He’s not coming here and getting the Hawks over the top. But, pair this move with a couple of more moves in the offseason, and I think this move makes sense.
But, if this is it, and we traded dead weight for Kirk Hinrich and we see minimal improvement, and short-term improvement at that, I think its useless. Because, at the end of the day, the Hawks will be in the same boat as they were before, but with a slightly different look to them.
Just my 2cents.
He still was not a bad pick
March 16th, 2011
8:59 am
@terrell What about Joe Max?…You talk bad of a guy who gets only 5-8 shots a game..but what about the guy with the MAX CONTRACT, who has given the Hawks nothing in the playoffs at all..this is what Joe Max will be making…
2010/11-$16,324,500 2011/12-$18,038,573 2012/13-$19,752,645 2013/14-$21,466,718 2014/15-$23,180,790 2015/16-$24,894,863
I MUS WRITE
March 16th, 2011
9:03 am
I feel you Rashod, Im not impressed by JJ lighting up the Bucks, Nothing to see here folks, Ill give the man his props when he shows up against the elite teams in our league, Really ? are we impressed by Joe money bags having a good month to make the All Star team and a 34 point game against a bottom feeder. Show me in the playoffs “ROBIN”
Teague out rebounding Marvin and Horford, to go with 6 assists, teague is getting a little better,his speed and on ball defense is paying dividens for this club-that yungn needs to keep starting.
Wtf is wrong with Jamal, he looks nothing like the guy we saw last year.with his mediocre play this year I cant see giving him another contract at 10 per…………………………
Denver is a tuff game tonight -will our guys show or will there be more excuses- We shall see
Samuel
March 16th, 2011
9:06 am
Sorry guys but I can’t get too excited about beating Milwaukee and Portland. I hope we didn’t give up a good young scorer and a 1st round pick to beat .394 and a .567 teams. Wake me up when we beat somebody worth a dam_ consistently. You guys have lowered your expectations tremendously.
lewis
March 16th, 2011
9:09 am
inferiorblogman
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
9:11 am
lmao @ bad pick.
Dude, you’ll never convince anybody here that Marvin was a good pick. You act as if the dude gets no opportunities. The guy’s been playing consistent minutes game after game since he was a rookie.
His own problem if he can’t make anything of his minutes. How many times do you think Marvin touches the ball every game? Every time he touches the ball is a chance for him to prove himself. He’s had years to prove himself, and he can’t do it.
I MUS WRITE
March 16th, 2011
9:15 am
LOL Yeah terrell I saw that….I was like dam homie join the club.
Marvin is not much better tha Sheldon williams at this point -he is a true bench/role player. 6 years in the league and his game seems to regress every year. We should have traded this clown last summer for wilson chandler or rasul butler
no justice
March 16th, 2011
9:27 am
So Teague share no blame for his slow development. Is that what you are saying? So you are saying this is the first time he had a chance to play? I say it about time he started to play like a first round draft choice. The first 20 games of this season he was given many chances to prove his worth and he failed. There are a lot of players in the league who has been worse predicament than Teague and they found a way to shine when they got their chance. Please some of the blame where it belongs.
Mike is back
March 16th, 2011
9:50 am
MsDee, I hear ya on JC2…I don’t think we will know the totally impact of that trade…until we get a chance to see what Armstrong brings to table…for a team that gave up a prized pick…whom everyone knew had star potential…and a team that has been clamoring for help in the pivot…U WOULD THINK THAT…finding opportunities to get Armstrong some minutes in your rotation…would be a no brainer.
Especially, considering the cost and considering the lackluster performance you have been getting from your reserves Bigs on the bench…the worst thing that can happen…is that you create some competition for minutes…instead of the same ole entitlement wait your time BS.
I think a rotation of Zaza, Collins, Armstrong, and Eton…should be enough to permanently move Marvin to the bench and go Big more often.
ag
March 16th, 2011
9:51 am
He still was not a bad pick.. wow, what option was Jeff Teague against Portland the other night? Although their are plays, anyone can shoot the ball. If he was not getting plays for him, why didn’t he redevelop his game as a great rebounder or get a lot of garbage points? Marvin gets so many open looks that he misses. Again, the Hawks should have never drafted a Freshman who did not start in college. PERIOD. Durant and Anthony were both drafted high as Freshman, but they did START and led their teams in scoring.. I will even throw Greg Oden in that same bunch, impact players in college as Freshman.
I have said it several times. Marvin has gained a lot of weight and he is not that athletic anymore. He needs to work on his back to the basket game and develop into our power forward.
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
9:51 am
20 games vs. 6 years
be real
#2 overall selection vs. the 6th-7th PG taken in a PG heavy draft
be real
He still was not a bad pick
March 16th, 2011
9:54 am
@Wabe
Marvin has started his whole career..true..But you and I both know that Woodys iso JOE offense, and Drew basically running the same o has held Marvin back..Use your head my friend..when Joe Max is hurt, Marvin scores at least 18 every game..If the kid is bad like you all say, how does he score like crazy when plays are ran for him?..That should tell you that the hawks are not using the kid right…Joe Max is the man on this team and only shows up against bad teams..he is clearly the problem with the Hawks…When Marvin leaves and scores 20+ppg ATL fans are going to look real stupid!.
Najeh Davenpoop
March 16th, 2011
9:56 am
Wabe @1:25, great post.
The Hinrich trade is good in the short term. As bad as Sund is at drafting and as plentiful as undersized 2-guards are, I’m not sweating the future ramifications of the trade too much. But the trade wouldn’t have been necessary if either a) the Hawks didn’t give a 3 year contract to a PG who was washed up in year one of the deal, b) the Hawks didn’t refuse to develop young point guards, or even c) the Hawks drafted with a plan, which would have implied a trade of Jamal when Jordan was drafted.
The only plan this organization has is to stay under the luxury tax line and wonder why fans who see through their bullsh-t don’t show up.
He still was not a bad pick
March 16th, 2011
10:07 am
ag Durant and Melo were both drafted by teams that ran plays for them and were allowed to get at least 20 shot attempts a game..both have never had to stand around and watch a player dribble the ball for 20 seconds….Joe is the guy on the Hawks who gets the shot attempts and he simply is not that good,..So yeah, maybe Marvin was a bad pick if we were going to make him a stand still jump shot shooter..that is not his game..i had no idea that Woody had no offensive plays other than let Joe dribble the ball all game long….I never heard of a guy drafted #2, almost #1, be a garbage man..Woody hated young pgs and would have wasted Paul or Williams..I think the pick should have been Bynum since we were not going to let Marvin shine..Time to quit using Marvin as an escape goat and focus on the real problems..Center, PG, Josh taking horrible shots, and Joe Johnson inability to show up when the Hawks need him..I have never seen the Hawks lose because of Marvin..not even once.
phil
March 16th, 2011
10:10 am
JJ lit up the Bucks. The Bucks aren’t any good. In more clear terms, it means very little. Nothing in fact because he doesn’t show up in games against good teams. Another example of empty talk coming from these guys, all to disappear just as soon as a good team gets its hands on us again.
I want to think we can win some games that matter, but let’s face it. We can’t based on our track record.
ag
March 16th, 2011
10:12 am
Armstrong is a project. He is not the second coming or anything. He is a career 3 ppg player with 2.6 rbs. He has started only 39 games in his career. Prior to coming to Atl, he was in Sac and Wash and never made an impact for these two ‘non-playoff’ teams. So while we are setting the bar, it really should not be that high.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 16th, 2011
10:13 am
Observation Deck!
If your login I’d does NOT fit in that little box?
It’s too long, therefore, it renders you and your comments irrelevant.
(bloggers should “get their Scroll-On)
________________
Just saying.
prison mike
March 16th, 2011
10:16 am
MC,
are you implying that JS is still injured or just tired.
ReddJonn68
March 16th, 2011
10:26 am
Everyone needs to stop making excuses for the Hawks & Marvin. He was not ready when he came out of UNC & the Hawks did not scout that draft properly. Look at all those early entries that came out of this years draft ” total garbage”. I have no clue why Sund did not move Marvin before the deadline ( the experiment is over ) for a draft pick or serviceable defender, especially with a team like Denver who has a stockpile of wing players & picks.
Wabe
March 16th, 2011
10:44 am
There’s nothing about Marvin Williams game that makes me think he’s being held back. He gets wide open look after wide open look from beyond the arc, and doesn’t hit them consistently. He’s soft when he attacks the rim. His arms fly up in the air and loses the ball (like Zaza does) more times than not when near the rim, in an attempt to just get the whistle. He’s not a great defender or rebounder.
There’s nothing above average about this guys game. He doesn’t excel beyond a doubt in any aspect of the game. Not scoring, defending, rebounding. I bet Marvin’s fell to the floor more times than he’s scored in his NBA career. He’s soft. He’s a role player that was selected #2 overall when there were clearly better options available. Thus, he was a bad pick.
I’m not gonna get into a back and forth with someone defending Marvin Williams. Lets just agree to disagree.
drmaryb (*_-)
March 16th, 2011
11:04 am
Terrible Twos!
Just like a toddler who becomes terrible at two, (because a 2 year old can now walk and pulls things down) Marvin was not a bad pick at #2.
He was a ‘turrible’ pick at #2.
Not because he can walk and pull things of the shelf, but becasue he can not walk at all. He can’t even walk without losing his balance, much less run up and down a basketball court.
If both your feet turn right and someone is chasing you?
Does that mean you run in circles? No! In Marvin’s case, he falls down!
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Nothing more needs to be said about that. Oh! And, he should have been traded by the trade deadline? He would have, but no GM worth his salt would trade a bag of NBA socks for this guy plus his salary.
I never saw a fan say, “Get dressed kids, we’re gonna’ gas up the car and go see Marvin play at Phillip’s Arena. Yeah!”
Aye Grandma! It’s time for Shuffle Board and Jello in the Activity Room!