Knicks 92, Hawks 79

Greetings, all-

Pretty lousy game. I feel for you fans who invest so much of yourselves to have to watch your team struggle like this.

- Larry Drew kept the team in the locker room for a lot longer than normal. He came out to talk to reporters about 20 minutes after the game ended, which I’d guess is about seven or eight minutes longer than usual. The only thing Drew said he’d said to players is that every team is physically and mentally tired and that they have to grind it out.

“It’s not a situation of coming out and hoping that the other team is not on,” he said. “You’ve got to come out and you have to establish yourself and we have not done that.”

Other Drew quotes: “Right now, we’re in disarray. We’re not playing with the type of confidence and the type of swagger we should be playing with at home. And that’s a very disturbing thing.”

“The disappointing thing is that we didn’t play with that toughness that needs to be played at this particular time of the season.”

- The thing is, I actually thought they played pretty well defensively for the first three quarters. New York was on pace for 82-83 points through three quarters, more than 20 points below their season average. The Hawks were challenging shots, not getting beaten that often in transition and keeping the Knicks off the free-throw line.

(Two grains of salt: Carmelo Anthony was way off his game – more below – and the Knicks also didn’t have Chauncey Billups.)

The fourth, of course, was a different story. The Knicks loosened up offensively and started making everything. They made 10 of 15 shots, four of six from 3-point range and went to the free-throw line eight times after seven trips through three quarters.

Al Horford: “They moved the ball well, making big shots. I think we became real stagnant on offense. I think it carried over to the defensive end.”

Asked about what he meant by “stagnant,” he quickly replied, “No movement. No movement and a lot of isolation.”

An interesting moment in the fourth. Jamal Crawford was dribbling on the left wing with Kirk Hinrich towards the corner. Crawford kept dribbling and Hinrich threw his hands up. Ironically, that turned into a 3-pointer for Hinrich after Crawford threw into Horford, who passed back out to Hinrich.

- Horford had one shot in the fourth, although I wouldn’t put it on all on a lack of ball movement. He seemed hesitant throughout the game and missed pick-and-pop shots he normally makes.

Horford: “I just couldn’t get it going on offense.”

Drew said he didn’t have the energy he had against Chicago (which, in fairness, was statistically perhaps the best game of his career).

Drew: “I thought he did a good job of getting into the post, but I thought he was quick in his shot instead of getting into a nice rhythm and getting his shot off.”

- Offensively, it was a wreck. Mike D’Antoni has coached the Knicks for 224 games and this was the second first time his team held its opponent under 80 points.

Distance of first-quarter makes, in feet: 2, 3, 3, 5, 12, 25, 26.

Distance of misses: 7, 9, 15, 19, 20, 20, 22, 22, 22, 24, 25.

Joe Johnson was off, Horford was off. Plus, 21 total turnovers, which New York turned into 24 points. Not much flow.

You would never guess this, but the Hawks actually were 10-for-17 in the fourth quarter.

- Drew mentioned that he is going to keep searching for players who will bring toughness of the bench, which I imagine is partly why he gave Hilton Armstrong a shot (and also because he matched up better with New York’s athletic bigs than Jason Collins would have). He put in Zaza Pachulia at the start of the second quarter and pulled him after 65 seconds. Pachulia was pretty steamed coming back to the bench.

- I thought Damien Wilkins played tough, physical defense and gave the team a boost again. Anthony got his points off of him, but Wilkins, if memory serves, also drew two charges on him.

- Anthony said following the game he had migraines and blurry vision after getting poked in the eye by Hoford in the first quarter, which is why he took his headband off (because the headband was so tight, he said). Anthony was 6 for 18 for 14 points, although he had seven rebounds and seven assists (with five turnovers).

I’d say, too, Marvin Williams played pretty energetic defense on him, though who knows how things would have turned out of Anthony weren’t waylaid with blurry vision.

- One thing about Josh Smith’s 3-point shooting. He’s been pretty off this month (7 for 32), but he’s shooting 33.6 percent for the season. That’s better than Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams, as well as Derrick Rose (barely), Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant.

It can certainly be argued if he best serves the team being out there, but I don’t think it can be argued he doesn’t make a decent amount of them. (He was 1-for-2 against New York.)

- About Hawks fans – I do find it peculiar in a market this size that there wouldn’t be more fans who would be willing to pay to see the team play, but it’s obviously the reality of the market. It happens with all four professional sports teams here. I can understand where diehard Hawks fans could be disenchanted but I’d think the average sports fan would want to see a team that has a winning record and exciting players. I’m not blaming them – people are free to spend their money how they want – but it does surprise me a little the team doesn’t draw better.

This isn’t a groundbreaking observation, but I think part of it is the long record of futility and the effect that’s had on where each team is on the radar. Atlanta is a transient city, but I think that only goes so far. If a championship-caliber team played in this city, I have to believe it would win over a lot of those transient fans. It happened with the Braves in the 90’s, and I think it’s happening with the Falcons.

Other quotes:

Smith on his knee: “It felt good. I think I thought about it too much, but it’s going to be happen like that until I get the rust off.”

Drew: “We’re not playing with that sense of urgency. We’re not playing with this swag that we talk about coming back home and being on our homecourt and playing energized and with a sense of urgency. The minute we get out there, that’s not happening.”

Smith, on Drew’s comments about the Hawks lacking swagger: “Those are his words. You ask me, it’s just a lack of consistency.”

Horford: “It was just a lot of isolation. On the break, we had to try to get layups. I think we were forcing shots.”

Horford: “I think it’s a rough patch. We’ve had those before this season. It goes back to us playing with a consistency that I’ve felt we’ve lacked this year. We’ve got to get back on track.”

On fans cheering for the Knicks: “It is frustrating. But we can’t get caught up in that. We have to keep coming out and playing and playing for our fans.”

Amar’e Stoudemire, on the “MVP!” chants: “I thought we were at home for a second. It felt like a home game.”

Stoudemire: “We can become a great tea. It’s just a matter of us being willing to bring the effort every night.”

287 comments Add your comment

Najeh Davenpoop

March 7th, 2011
1:57 am

“I can understand where diehard Hawks fans could be disenchanted but I’d think the average sports fan would want to see a team that has a winning record and exciting players. ”

You have this backwards a little bit. Die-hard Hawks fans are the ones who post on this blog, who get p-ssed off hearing MVP chants for Amare, and who drive 4 hours from Tennessee to go to Hawks games like northcyde. Average sports fans, who outnumber die hard fans by a lot regardless of the market, want to see teams with superstar players and winning records who have a shot at winning titles. The Hawks have neither, so average sports fans — even those who are born and raised here, not transplants — gravitate towards teams like the Knicks, Heat, Lakers, etc.

“If a championship-caliber team played in this city, I have to believe it would win over a lot of those transient fans. It happened with the Braves in the 90’s, and I think it’s happening with the Falcons.”

Exactly.

And anyway, it’s not like ATL is the only transient city in the NBA. Phoenix is a city with a lot of transplants, and that city loves the Suns and doesn’t give a sh-t about the Cardinals and Diamondbacks. Miami is a city with a lot of transplants, and that city loves the Dolphins and Heat (although the Knicks fans were drowning out the Heat fans last week, which is a lot more egregious than what happened in Philips tonight) and couldn’t care less about the Marlins.

If you build it — “it” being a team that has superstars and wants championships and not just second round defeats — they will come.

mykhalc

March 7th, 2011
2:06 am

my last 2 posts from previous blog…

until the dynamics of this team are changed…ie…real leader found and accepted by all…then the Hawks will remain as they are now and have been for the last 3 yrs. this team and blog are still addressin’ and talkin’ about things from 6 years ago..seriously 6 f’n years!!! with pretty much the same cast of characters…blog posters excluded!!! here’s trip down memory lane for ya…JJ, AJ, Speedy, Chills, Acie, Bibby, Teague, and Kirk…yep all tapped to be PG for this franchise at one point. here’s another point…how many leaders did we miss out along the way??? a tirin’ exercise!!!

and as i shut it down for tonite…Marvin is the worst…PERIOD!!!! there is no reason, other than LD bein’ a coward, that Damien shouldn’t be startin’ instead of Marvin…PERIOD!!!

mykhalc

March 7th, 2011
2:09 am

Al and Joe are headed on a collision course!!! book it…you heard it here first!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

March 7th, 2011
2:11 am

We all like to complain that the Hawks don’t get national media attention when they win. But you know what is really telling about this team? Nobody freaks out, or even mentions it, when they lose, either. This team is expected to be an also-ran. How do you expect casual fans to get attached to a team that nobody expects to make any noise when it matters?

Paradise Lost

March 7th, 2011
2:49 am

Najeh, I don’t think you sleep! Get some rest. Tomorrow is another day…actually, it’s already tomorrow for you.

And you are spot on re: national media attention; I rarely see NBA tweets that mention Hawks first. It’s usually a billing of the team the Hawks are playing (as was the case with the NYK tweets today). We were gobsmacked when Al was a headline in the sports section of our small market newspaper after the Bulls game. East Coast teams rarely make the newspapers out this way (unless their players shed tears…).

Hawks fan

March 7th, 2011
3:51 am

I don’t understand why etan isn’t playing especially after seeing his effort against Oklahoma city all year LD has played Jason Collins who honestly seems like a nice guy but doesn’t actually do anything basketball wise to help your team I mean what does he do he doesn’t score, rebound, block shots, add a defensive presence, run the floor, nothing I think Hilton played hard although he didn’t have much in terms of stats and that was messed up for LD to play Zsa Zsa for a minute and take him out but in my poi ion and a lot of fans in this city, LD is NOT the coach for the future of this team He is a glorified assistant who is in way over his head Why exactly did they fire Woody again?

Marcus

March 7th, 2011
3:53 am

najeh, et. al,
I have been a die-hard Hawks (and all ATL sports fan) since ‘74 (as a tyke growing up in Dec). I can’t stand the hot-cold fan base and foreign fan invasion when other teams come into our city.

I can’t run down the b-ball Xs and Os, but what last nites game solidified for me is that we are what we are …. which is a decent basketball team that has yet to establish a consistent identity and play and win with that philosophy. We have our core, but for us to go further, either we need to invest in better players to support the core, or break off some of the valuable core pieces and start over.
A couple of weeks ago, I likened our (near-term) sitiatuion in pursuit of a ECF appearance/championship to being put in the “friends zone”. We are good enough to hang around, but not good enough to be considered anything beyond casual. We have enough good qualities to be in the “friend zone” but not the “right” qualities for something more. We have the desire/will to go for something more meaningful, but don’t have the idea or paradigm on how to get there and change the perception/reality of the situation. So all we do it hope and wait …. :(

Sad thing is …. we (the Hawks) are stuck with what we have. Our team isn’t bad enough to go the lottery and snag an instant starter, so we are picking in the middle of the draft or bottom 3rd. We have traded away our 1st rounder to WSH, so internal development is our fate, unless we move one of our few tradable pieces, which would be akin to starting over considering that Smoove and Horford are probably our only ones (Jamals’ contract is attractive, but since he is still here after the trade deadline, moot point). We have a notoriously frugal ownership, so going for broke with valuable bench pieces available on the waiver wire (see Corey Brewer, Al Thornton, etc.) is a like cusswords to a nun …

The next few years, either we slink back into the pre-2006 type seasons or we hold steady and hope to mix/match the right pieces like how DAL Mavericks have done to be somewhat relevant until a break-out season this year. We just don’t have a moneybags and ego-driven owner like they do.

Realsquawk

March 7th, 2011
4:21 am

I always get sick and tired of seeing so many fans in our building, but you know what would be great? If the Hawks didn’t roll over loose games when all the Hawks fans are just waiting to tell these posers to shut up. instead people spend their money to see the team do something like that. I wish they would give the team to Al Horford because he has the personality to win over this city. Joe Johnson doesn’t want it and frankly doesn’t deserve it anymore.

TheAntiMe

March 7th, 2011
4:26 am

If the Hawks ownership would make a real commitment to building a championship caliber team the people would come out to see the Hawks. After all, it’s obvious people come out to see the Lakers, Celtics, and Knicks play here, and have done so for years. Do you not think that those same folks would be much happier if they had a Hawks team to cheer for?

Pretty much the entire Eastern Conference improved over the summer but the Hawks decided to stand pat. They even took the cheap way out by promoting Larry Drew to be Head Coach from the ranks of the failed Mike Woodson regime when clearly there were better choices available. The way that the Hawks’ management proudly avoids the luxury tax as if it were a precursor to leprosy all but guarantees that the Hawks will probably never have the horses to make it out of round 2, if lucky, of the playoffs. If I can recall correctly I believe that the teams that finished in the top 5 last year all were over the cap and were paying the luxury tax. I don’t think that any of these teams have trouble filling their home arenas because the fans there appreciate the commitment that their ownerships have made to give them a team to cheer for.

In 50 years of NBA in Atlanta seldom, if ever, has ownership shown a real dedication to bringing Atlanta an NBA Championship. The closest was probably when Ted Turner owned the Hawks and even then, it appeared that he was much more focused on his Braves.

Once upon a time when Atlanta was the Mayberry of major US cities it was good enough just to have a team to root for knowing that even though they would never make the playoffs, at least every once in a while they would win a game or two. Now that Atlanta is the 8th largest market in the country, that attitude just doesn’t cut it anymore. People around here expect just a bit more from their teams, and rightly so, after so many years of watching them flail and fail.

Rashod

March 7th, 2011
4:59 am

Joe Johnson sucks,he quit on the team last year in the playoff & they sign him to a mega.So,he come back,so how do you think a die-hard fan should feel?

Rashod

March 7th, 2011
4:59 am

Rashod

March 7th, 2011
5:00 am

My bad,Mega Deal

tony

March 7th, 2011
6:14 am

Why complain about the fans cheering for the other team? Most of them despise the south anyways and some of them despise ASG, JJ and JS. QUIT TORTURING YOURSELVES!

This team really makes me appreciate the 70s and 80s hawks even more. The old hawks were much much much mature than todays hawks. Even High School Basketball Teams are more mature than this team.

I bet Al Horford regrets signing that long term contract. He’s probably thinking……”My teammates(JJ/JJ) are soooooo selfish and completely enept” “My HC is a FRAUD” “ASG are IDIOTS!”

tony

March 7th, 2011
6:18 am

NCBravesFan

March 7th, 2011
6:20 am

Finally a game on national TV that I was able to see, and the Hawks lay an egg offensively. That was painful to watch.

The Hawks did show a little life in the 2nd quarter when Teague came into the game. He was one of the few guys willing to mix it up inside a little bit in an effort to create a good shot (for himself or a teammate).

superiorblogman

March 7th, 2011
6:27 am

I could care less about the Hawks. There are people on this earth that will die today for no apparent reason. There are kids that have terminal diseases and that’s just evil and wrong. We live on a earth where people wait on this fantasy person to come save us. We need to cure each other and love each other more. We need to find cures and defeat the evils of the earth that make us try to bow down to its power. We need to stop believing in fantasies and hope and do more for each other. As for all this entertainment mess that we spend our time getting into, I am done with it. Goodbye blogworld, I love you all, let’s put our energy together to heal each other and find the true meaning of existence instead of caring one way or another about all the sideshows we have created.

calihawks

March 7th, 2011
6:28 am

Joe didnt deserve that kinda money he is just a above average player not a great one.. If any1 on this team deserves that kinda money it’s AL…. Crappy game and pretty sad when the fans at ur home game is chanting MVP to the away team player thats just a joke…! Who is more of a ball hog Joe Johnson or Jamal Crawford i dont think either 1 of them kno how to the pass the dam ball they just dribble dribble dribble then go into a crowd and shoot it….. PASS IT!!!!…

JustAThought

March 7th, 2011
6:51 am

Kudo’s to Najeh and all the other bloggers so far. I’m about at a point that I’ don’t care anymore. They can pack there $hit and leave town for all I care.

TheAntiMe

March 7th, 2011
7:00 am

Why complain about the fans cheering for the other team? Most of them despise the south anyways and some of them despise ASG, JJ and JS. QUIT TORTURING YOURSELVES!

If most of these fans despise the South why don’t they take their sorry @sses somewhere else and stop using up our oxygen? Nobody around here wants or needs them, anyway!

rk

March 7th, 2011
7:12 am

The Hawks have players who just don’t seem to play well together. JS and AH are prime examples. AH is and alstar and has a very good shot. JS is not as good a shooter but takes more shots each game than AH. JT is not the answer for future point guard. Sure he is good for one or two good plays a game but I can go to any gym and find someone to do what he does.

Salinsa

March 7th, 2011
7:13 am

I’m a diehard Hawk fan living in NYC. As you wrote, ATL fans will show up if there is some hope that the team is of championship quality. The irony of the JJ Mac extension is that it took away all that hope. That deal capped out the team which means that the main cogs on this team will be here for the for the next several seasons. As everyone who watched the Hawks the last couple years knew that this nucleus, going forward, barring a drastic change in personnel which is unlikely due to JJ’s bad contract, is not going to provide hope for a championship. We can make minor tweaks like bring in Hinrich, but until this team is able to clear out some cap space for a free agent or get lucky with a draft pick, we are stuck with a 45-50 win team the next 4 seasons or so.
That’s nothing to get excited about to the point where fans should spend their money to go watch, especially in this economy. It all goes back to how short sighted JJ’s extension was.

O'Brien

March 7th, 2011
7:33 am

Ken S,

Could you ask JJ about his 3-pt % this season? He is a career 37% from 3, but so far he is at 29% (and falling). He has made 70-241. For somebody who is struggling from 3, why is he shooting so many?

“Larry Drew kept the team in the locker room for a lot longer than normal.” Ken S.

If I had a $1 for every time LD has done that this season, I would be well on my way to buying season tickets.

Asked about what he meant by “stagnant,” he (Al) quickly replied, “No movement. No movement and a lot of isolation.”.

If I had a $1 for every time I heard that over the last 3 years, I would be well on my way to buying the Hawks and Thrashers.

ole hawk's fan

March 7th, 2011
7:37 am

A True NBA Coach…………….who preached movement doing training camp but now sit/stand watch as ISO is still living in this team offense. Those who continue to Run Woody’s Flawed ISO offense, should be Bench to get the Message that this is not the offense this team is predcated ON. Get The Big Pocket JJ(over-paid) OUT OF HERE! This guy isn’t worth Max Money and a Smart Owner(s) would have let him walk and use that money to bring help in here For Holford. I hope there will be a “New Owner” in here SOON but one thing that will never change with this TEAM……………..is How JJ was given The Max and he is NOT A MAX Player!

phil

March 7th, 2011
7:38 am

No, no, no. The average fan has better sense than to spend money on this team. I keep saying it and saying it on here. The Hawks don’t play defense and have 2-3 key players with poor attitudes. Until they exit stage left, it’s only going to get worse.

Only a moron would pay to watch this kind of “basketball” night in and night out. A game or 2 I can understand, i suppose.

phil

March 7th, 2011
7:39 am

And it appears that Larry Drew couldn’t coach Ga Tech…

SteveW

March 7th, 2011
7:41 am

I do hope we realize that with 19 games or so remaining and a brutal schedule remaining, we are staring a 47, 48 win season in the face.

We are only 3 up on the knicks and sixers in the loss column, and we’ve still got a road game at Philly coming up.

And our next 2 are the Lakers and at the Bulls.

And our Coach just said we are in disarray. Might we end up a 6 or 7 seed? Where is “no excuses” Johnson.

I like LD, but I’m concerned for his job right now.

SteveW

March 7th, 2011
7:48 am

Jamal is quickly going from one of my favorite Hawks, to the Mo/Bibby camp of being part of the problem.

And can you believe Josh disrespecting his Coach like that. Wow!

Section 303

March 7th, 2011
7:49 am

Guys,

I may be done with this team. I’ve had season tickets for 7 or 8 years now. I have never been this disgusted with the Hawks. What I saw last night was total garbage. And, really, I don’t want to support this piece of crap organization anymore.

The Hawks are headed towards massive rebuilding. This group cannot win. They just can’t. The guys peaked last season. They’re only going to get worse. Eventually, we are going to go back to the 13-win seasons and praying that the lottery balls bounce our way.

Total trash last night. Joe Johnson is proving to be a complete waste of money. His skills are going away. He cannot (and I mean f’ing cannot!) make a 3-point shot. He is just not capable of doing that anymore. I never thought I would say this, but Josh Smith is a better 3-point shooter than Joe Johnson. Joe is terrible from 3.

So, this year Joe can’t make 3’s. What part of his game will go next year?

Al Horford = total fraud. Maybe he should pick a new guy to have a beef with. Al can’t hold Amere’s jock. Al was a complete noshow last night. He did nothing. Nothing. Less than nothing, actually.

I have more to say, but….does it really matter? This team is done. I just wish I would not have renewed my tickets for next season. I really want no part of this team.

Last night was my breaking point. I’m done.

jgsbirds

March 7th, 2011
7:51 am

i hope all of those so called, “knick fans” be sure to have your braves jerseys on in a few weeks when spring training ends.

i’m tired of seeing all of the fans coming into every arena in atlanta and out-cheering the home folks. it bothered me tremendously during the 12 years or so i had season tickets for the falcons. you would see people with niners, bucs, cowboys and even bears jerseys on–but also wearing a braves hat. whatever people–those same knick fans were there a few weeks ago and after atlanta started coming back they were all cheering for the hawks.

i’ve been a die hard hawks fan since the late 70’s–live in chattanooga and now only get to a game or two a season–but there’s no away i could afford to take my family of five to a game at the prices that they charge! i’ll have to continue to watch them on directv and hope to be able to come during the playoffs!

they do need to think about lowering their prices if they expect any hardcore family type fans to attend–i think i calculated five tickets at 70 dollars apiece, plus parking, food and gas to be around 500 to 550 bucks. can’t do it and won’t do it! i could sit in the nosebleed for much less–but why do that if can just stay at home and watch it on tv.

good luck the rest of the way hawks–but step it up–too many turnovers and why does every team seem to make everything against us. anthony carter lighting it up–whatever!!!

SteveW

March 7th, 2011
7:57 am

I think we need to see some Hinrich and Teague backcourt action together. Hinrich is tough enough to handle most 2’s. But LD won’t play the 2nd year rook’ much more, even though he’s the one attacking the basket and getting ball movement.

I think we may have made a mistake hiring LD and not a fresh voice.

And if you would have told me Marvin would hold Carmelo at bay, Billups and Turiaf wouldn’t play, and the Hawks at Home full strength. I would have said the Hawks win by 20.

SteveW

March 7th, 2011
8:03 am

Coach says team is in disarray with the Lakers and @Bulls coming up next. Kind I’d sums it up.

doc

March 7th, 2011
8:07 am

the hawks have to get it some day. those other fans are screaming because the hawks re giving them the opportunity to do so. yes it was amazing but a better showing would have quieted them and allowed the other larger contingent, their fans to yell louder. they had their fans there inthe game but really played down to the moment rather than to it.

the shooting stats suggest when they go cold they seem to go farther away from the basket. doesnt a smart team do it the other way around?

turnovers are from not concentrating, general sloppy undisciplined play, wanting to take chances or not be confident enough to be patient looking for the easy way. it has got to stop along with someone making shots.

horford sunk back to mediocrity fast didnt he?

Trojan

March 7th, 2011
8:16 am

Jamal is horrible when it comes to “team ball”. This team has peaked and it will require much more than tweaking to be better.

LD has lost his effectiveness with the team. I am not saying that it is his fault.

The Hawks need major help.

Ken Strickland: What are your thoughts?

vava74

March 7th, 2011
8:19 am

I have not yet watched the game YET but a few quick things spring to mind looking at the available data:

This was a tight, defensive game through 3 quarters.

Through 3 quarters Jamal had played only 12 minutes and we were in the game.

Then Jamal played – again – the last minutes of the 3rd and the whole 4th quarter.

During this EXACT PERIOD the Hawks were outscored by 14 points.

Jamal did score 8 points but his HELP VALUE (rebounds + assists + steals + blocks – turnovers) was -2 for that period (MINUS 2).

Our “motion” offense is now a thing of the past and it’s not coincidence that Ken pointed on the blog entry that Hinrich was alone in the corner and Jamal kept dribbling.

“Jamal”, “motion offense” and “defense” cannot be in the same sentence.

I am going to watch the game now and re-post after seeing it with my own eyes.

J from the A

March 7th, 2011
8:20 am

How many other playoff teams get cheered out of their own building?

[For that matter, how many other teams period get cheered out of their own building?]

This phenomenon has very little to do with the quality of the Hawks organization and so much more to do with the quality of the fan base. [OK. Maybe there is a nice interaction effect of the two, but the point is the quality-of-the-organization excuse does not work as an explanans on its own.]

Chris

March 7th, 2011
8:20 am

Pape Sy needs to play.

Chris

March 7th, 2011
8:21 am

Joe Johnson

March 7th, 2011
8:24 am

Hey guys,

We are now the 6th best team in the EAST. You can thank the owners for getting me a max contract when i cant win one game in the 2nd round. Basketball will be irrelevant in Atlanta for the next 6 years.

J from the A

March 7th, 2011
8:24 am

Would it be a mistake for the Hawks to keep Jamal?

He is a very exciting player, and he has proven to be able to deliver in the clutch. But his iso-heavy style (maybe even more iso-heavy than JJ) along with his poor defense may cause more problems than his tricky dribbling and amazing shots solve.

[Plus, resigning Jamal pretty much guarantees the Hawks will be in the luxury tax next year, assuming no salary dumps and that the new CBA does not significantly raise the luxury tax threshold.]

J from the A

March 7th, 2011
8:27 am

Speaking of being the 6th best team in the east …

As far as the playoff picture goes, strategically speaking, would it be better for the Hawks to finish 5th or 6th? There might be a slightly better chance to make it to the ECF as the 6th.

Joe Johnson

March 7th, 2011
8:29 am

umm they wont even make it out of the 1st round.

They are going to play either the Magic, Heat, Celtics or Bulls. I dont see them beating one of those team 4 times.

I think they will end up finishing 5th and facing the Magic

Section 303

March 7th, 2011
8:31 am

J from the A, does it really matter what seed the Hawks have? They’re going out in the first round. They aren’t beating any team in a 7-game series. Not a chance of them getting to the 2nd round.

Chris

March 7th, 2011
8:31 am

when can we see Pape Sy

J from the A

March 7th, 2011
8:33 am

@jgsbirds:

I’ve been getting really lucky on the Hawks tickets resale sight [linked from Ticketmaster on Hawks website]. I’ve been able to get really good prices on tickets for non-marque [but still good] games. The only problem would be: With a family of five, it will probably be next to impossible to get a set of 5 tickets at a great price and in the same section.

J from the A

March 7th, 2011
8:34 am

Section 303: You don’t think the Hawks have a decent chance of beating the Magic or the Heat in the first round?

Section 303

March 7th, 2011
8:36 am

J from the A, no. No chance. I really do not think they would beat any team in the East ranked within the top 10.

Joe Johnson

March 7th, 2011
8:36 am

Check 2009 and 2010 2nd round

2009 vs Cavs: Lost 4-0 by average of 20+ pts
2010 vs Magic: Lost 4-0 by average 25+ pts

they will not be able to beat the Top 4 teams in the East. I predict a sweep this year by the OTHER team

Joe Johnson

March 7th, 2011
8:37 am

in the 1st round

WeNeedTree

March 7th, 2011
8:37 am

Leaderless…..like our country…..

slimjr

March 7th, 2011
8:39 am

The Hawks are one and done..They will be annihilated in the Playoffs?? PLAYOFFS?????????? Just hang in there, THE BEAT DOWN IS COMING….The Hawks should pack their bags and get to steppin cause they are garbage………………………8th largest City in America and haven’t been to a finals in 44 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are You Kidding ME??????????????? I get it now Mr. Stern…Its parts of your plan to make sure there will never be a Championship in the this town..Not an accident…WAKE UP SLEEPY HEADS!!!!!