Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 95, Warriors 79

Joe and the Hawks were ripping and running. Anda Chu / Oakland Tribune

Joe and the Hawks were ripping and running in Oaktown. Anda Chu / Oakland Tribune

Oakland–The Hawks are something to watch when they defend, rebound and run the floor like this. Add in the kind of unselfish offense they played tonight, and they can look dang near unstoppable at times.

  • Of course no one is going to mistake the Warriors for a strong or even competent defensive team. But they are pretty good on offense and the Hawks made them look awful.
  • “I felt we really made an effort to contest and challenge every shot,” Al said. “Its’ a little frustrating for me because I wish we played like this all the time. I hope there is no looking back now. We saw how we can play so we have to be able to keep that up.”
  • Kirk Hinrich, pregame, on playing with little preparation on Hawks’ schemes: “It’s important that I understand what we are trying to do at both ends. But a lot of times our lineups and our athleticism, I think the best way for us to play is to just play. Work hard on the defensive end and try to run.”
  • And then the Hawks went out and played that way.
  • Their aggressive D, spearheaded by Teague, so flummoxed Stephen Curry that fans started screaming at him to shoot when he didn’t have a field-goal attempt in the first quarter. The truth is he couldn’t find much space with Atlanta’s athletic guys challenging, rotating, communicating and hustling.
  • Neither could Monta Ellis, who didn’t get going until the Hawks were in control.
  • “I thought Kirk came in and played some D on Monte and the D I played on him was pretty good,” J.J. said. “But also the help we got on him from other guys. That’s the main key, man. In order for us to be consistent, in order for us to be a good team, we have got to be able to do the small things and help is definitely one of them. Hopefully we can try to get on a nice little streak here.”
  • Hinrich looked pretty good considering he hasn’t yet had a real live practice with the Hawks. He used his size, long arms and positioning to harass Ellis and Curry. Offensively he seemed cognizant of quickly passing the ball ahead to Joe on the wing.
  • “I felt so-so,” Hinrich said. “I’m just trying to get familiar with everybody, the plays and all of that. It wasn’t too rough. The good thing is we did such a good job defensively we weren’t forced to run a lot of sets. We were able to get offense from our defense.”
  • Teague was a pest defensively. His soundness allowed his teammates to stay home more often and he seemed more aware. It’s probably no coincidence that he played 26 minutes and the Hawks weren’t scrambling as much tonight despite facing a pair of dynamic guards.
  • “He picked up the point guard full court and really had a big impact because he was able to get over screens,” Al said. “That’s something we struggled with in the past, our guards getting over screens. Hopefully he will keep that level of play up. I am sure his confidence will keep growing.”
  • Like he did at Phoenix, Teague got to the basket. It’s hard to keep him out of the lane. He was just 2 of 9 from the field because by my count he missed three runners but the attention he drew gave Al and Josh room for put backs.
  • Teague has looked noticeably more confident in the last two games.
  • “In this league, all you need is a chance, an opportunity,” Joe said. “He’s got that. He’s not going to have to worry about getting snatched out after making mistakes. I think we all understand he is a young player and he is going to make mistakes but now he can just play through them and just play freely. Obviously he’s got the talent. We’ve just got to put the ball in his hand and trust him.”
  • Drew, pregame, on Teague: “He has probably gotten down a little but but I really think the trade is going to do him some good. As I told him, I wasn’t giving up on him even after I made the trade. I still look at him as a guy that can help this ball club and under no circumstances have I given up on him.”
  • With Teague, Joe, and Hinrich doing good work on the perimeter, Josh and Al controlled the paint. They combined for 48 points (on 32 shots), 22 rebounds, 11 assists, two steals and three blocks with just three turnovers.
  • “Our scouting report was to force them to shoot jumpers and contest jumpers rather than kill us in the paint,” David Lee said.
  • The Hawks shot a lot of jump shots early but then started playing more inside-out. “I guess against that this team you have to give multiple efforts because you have to give so much help to the post,” Curry said.
  • You can tell Hinrich is happy to join a squad with a chance to go places. He said the Hawks have the making of a team that can be a real threat in the postseason.
  • “I think we could be,” Hinrich said. “If we defend and make that a trademark of ours, with the versatility of our lineups and our length we can be a very tough team to beat.”
  • Hinrich, pregame, on playing behind D-Rose in Chicago and John Wall in D.C.: “The mentoring thing, I wasn’t thrilled about it and I was still playing a lot of minutes. I was just trying to be a pro. They are young guys, good kids, and I appreciated my time with Derrick and John. They have great years ahead of them and I just tried to help them out and be a pro.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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drmaryb (*_*)

February 26th, 2011
5:05 pm

My Observation!

“He did not want to break up the bureaucracy of Bibby and the apparent silly lull he had over a maturing Hawks squad.”
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I picked up this same issue, several years back from seeing some locker room clips and behind the scenes a little. I sensed there was some
extracurricular “silliness” going on, on Company Time.
(i.e. Practices and meetings).

I recall an article or blog where, Mr. Woodson went ballistic at a team practice, because the kids were giggling and playing jokes, while coach was putting in his defense. To me, that shows immaturity and aloofness on the job and it’s past time this team moves beyond that low level of play.

Hopefully, the new PG will bring that serious element to:
What plays we need to execute specifically in the 4th Qrtrs. and get good at doing that to close these games out systematically.

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
5:08 pm

What kind of potential do I think JT has? Maybe slightly under Devin Harris type potential. But I don’t think he ever makes and All Star team. DRose, JWall, Rondo and others have that locked up for a long time in the East. They’re just better than Teague.

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
5:11 pm

Hawks Fan In New Orleans & SteveW,

Co-Sign!

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
5:13 pm

SteveW, If we ever win big with JT at the helm, the coaches wil vote him in.

prison mike

February 26th, 2011
5:16 pm

I support “teague party” all the way but an elderly nash and soft mild curry is not a good barometer for him right now. Let him continue to gain confidence and see what happens next.

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
5:19 pm

O'Brien

February 26th, 2011
5:21 pm

Steve W,

I’m not sure if Teague has what it takes to be a starting PG in this league. But I think he can develop into a solid rotational PG, for 18-24 mpg.

Starting Hinrich against Andre Miller is not a bad idea. Miller is known for being able to post up, and he doesnt shoot alot of 3’s. Plus Portland has Roy who is a good ball handler as well. JJ and Hinrich could easily switch off as needed.

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
5:21 pm

Good point Prison Mike.

Though, he did hold down Monta Ellis for a while. But you are right. Guards like Jameer and Rondo are way mor savvy as far as drawing fouls and expliting defenses.

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
5:22 pm

mykhalc

February 26th, 2011
5:39 pm

@O’Brien…4:48pm…yep…well said

Najeh Davenpoop

February 26th, 2011
6:11 pm

“What kind of potential do I think JT has? Maybe slightly under Devin Harris type potential. But I don’t think he ever makes and All Star team. DRose, JWall, Rondo and others have that locked up for a long time in the East. They’re just better than Teague.”

True, but for the same reasons you stated, Teague could fall short of being an All Star and still lift this team’s ceiling by a lot. Say he became a 15 point, 7 dime, 1.5 steal, 45% FG, 5 FTA with solid on ball defense type of player — that wouldn’t make him an All Star over anyone you mentioned, but it would blow the cover off this team’s ceiling in the playoffs. And I think as his jumper and ability to finish inside both improve those numbers are very attainable.

Rufus1

February 26th, 2011
6:16 pm

The Best Team

This is the Best team Kirk has ever played on…

In the starting line-up we have 2 Allstars, Runner-up to defnsive player of the year and a 2nd team All NBA defender……Wow

drmaryb (*_*)

February 26th, 2011
6:19 pm

The Turk!

In the NFL, they send The Turk to come tell you, “You’re Cut! So, pack this box and leave all Company Garments on theses premises.”
The Turk, btw, also doubles as the Locker Room Bouncer. Just is case a player wants to get “jiggy with it?”. IMHO, this a very confrontational approach to the process, however, I would rather see it play out on the ticker-tape and in the comforts of my own home. So, I can open the private bar, smoke a cuban and “shake it off!”

The Game Has Changed

February 26th, 2011
6:20 pm

It will probably 5yrs before we apreciate what Bibby and Woodson meant to this team. They put us back on the map. Now people are trying to throw them under the bus. They did the best they could with what they had. I miss them both.

drmaryb (*_*)

February 26th, 2011
6:23 pm

Addition by Subtraction!

Mr. Bibby’s absence has certainly added to the “Life of Teague”.

Rufus1

February 26th, 2011
6:24 pm

This Could be The Year….

I know many didn’t think we were elite with Bibby at the PG(I didn’t either)…….. With Teague and Kirk as the PG’s our Defense has become Elite…So the Hawks and Sund get my endorsement as an ELITE team in the east.

We only have one match-up disadvantage in the east now, D12….We match-up with or have equal talent with any team in the east…

Go Hawks

drmaryb (*_*)

February 26th, 2011
6:26 pm

Great Insight!

Rufus1, said it well. Here is a guy who is getting behind his team.
Sign me up!

northcyde

February 26th, 2011
6:34 pm

SteveW . . . there are just too many NBA related websites, specifically a site like http://www.popcornmachine.net that can pretty much debunk what you said about Teague.

You can go to that site, and pull up any Hawk game played this year, and look at the Game Flow. It’ll show you exactly when Teague came into the game, what he did stat wise ( on a per quarter basis ), what lineup he was in the game with, and what lineup he played against.

The dude simply wasn’t performing.

And the trend for the 2nd team in general ( including Jamal ), is that as soon as 2 or more of them are out on the floor, the Hawks lose momentum.

Teague has his chance now to prove himself. And if he starts from now on, he’ll REALLY be going up against the elite level PGs. So if he couldn’t handle them 3 months ago, what has changed all of a sudden?

- Is it the players he’s playing with, that can help erase some of his mistakes ( like they routinely did with Bibby )

- Is he giving much more effort right now?

- Is it the fact that we played Phoenix and Golden St, 2 running teams not known for defense?

Who knows.

But I do know this. The effort he’s given in these past 2 days, he has to continue to give . . even if he comes off the bench.

No excuses for the lack of effort. And ballers can play with just about anybody. If he can ball, I want to see it with him NOT deferring to Jamal on every possession, while coming with the same amount of defensive intensity.

With Ty Lawson, it doesn’t matter who he plays with.

rusty

February 26th, 2011
6:47 pm

Nortcyde you hardly make any sense when you talk about jt. He brings a lot of energy to the hawks,offf & defense which we desperately need . We don’t need the ball in your buddy jj’s hands to slow the offense up to a stand still . Ld used no common sense at all In giving mo,mb & mw Hugh minutes while not playing jc2,jt & Etan. Your buddy high dollar jj is not earning his salary,hell he is even carrying his weight as a starting sg regardless of all the crap you say about him, excuses,excuses,excuses. You probably now will come out with a lot of stupid statistics. JJ is a big part of our problem with his slow way of playing

northcyde

February 26th, 2011
6:47 pm

And people keep trying to compare him to the elite PGs in the game . . lol. I’m just praying that he becomes our version of Spud Webb . . a guy that IMMEDIATELY affected the flow of the game as soon as he stepped on the court.

Drew should break out some old Hawks footage, and show Teague how Spud used to play.

rusty

February 26th, 2011
7:00 pm

Nortcyde mb needed to watch that footage more than jt,speaking of toads

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
7:12 pm

Smh Jamal was just toying with these kids back in Highschool. It’s not even fair lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXx9lUNp894

northcyde

February 26th, 2011
7:14 pm

Quiet Rusty.

It’s been plenty of games in which Teague has sleepwalked out on the court. That could be said about all of the Hawks actually. If the dude provided energy on a nightly basis, he’d be a regular in the lineup.

But it’s not just about providing energy, it’s proving to the coach that he can trust you. And the easiest way to gain trust, is to produce out on the court.

2 games doesn’t validate Teague as a player. What it does show, is that he does have the ability to affect a game . . if he plays at that same intensity every night.

LOL @ talking about JJ. JJ is off, but the guy stealing money is your boy Jamal. Even you know that Jamal has been robbing the ASG blind since the 1st of the year.

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
7:16 pm

I guess its no coincidence that most future NBA players look like men among kids in HS lol @ Captain Kirk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKIs_m6KoIo

bama52

February 26th, 2011
7:34 pm

Marvin Williams need to drive the ball more and shoot shorter jump shots.The trade was good Hinrich is just what the team needs,someone to push the ball. Team get the ball to the new point guard and run. We still love Bibby, but it was time for this change. We should get a lot of offense before other teams can set up to defend. Keep team defense as a priority. This team is still young, fast and can cause complicated match ups for the rest of the league. GO HAWKS!!!!

bama52

February 26th, 2011
7:36 pm

In all the excitement I forgot to say New Coach is doing a outstanding job.

arty

February 26th, 2011
7:43 pm

Kirk is very underrated as a PG because he has never had a tall backcourt SG that can guard his man (so he had to exert so much energy to chase the oppossing taller/stronger SGs all the time, which affected his shhoting and box stats); also the Bulls front court players when he was PG were always the most offensively incompetent ones in the L.
I am glad to see the Hawks’ GM can see his value and thank for the Wiz’s GM for not wanting to waste Kirk’s prime. When he was with the Bulls, there were multiple contenders wanted to get him and willing to give Bulls a 1st round pick/expire contracts, but the Bulls GMs didn’t want to see him to be successful…that’s why they dumpped him to a bottom team even though they needed to throw in pick/cash. This leads to some mis-conception among fans (who judge players based on their stats) that Hinrich is no good.

There is no way Teague should start ahead of Hinrich if you want to win. Teague is not even half as good as Hinrich at this time. But I agree coach should give Teague some consistent playing time to develop him (15 min or so, depending on his performance).

Barring unexpected injury, I see the Hawks become the 4th seed and knock out the Magic in the first round; Kirk will destroy the Magic’s PGs J.N. and G.A. Kirk makes everyone better unlike the over-hyped Rose who mainly looks for his own shots and stats, so he can get to all-star and max contract.

If the Hawks can strengthen their bench (not worry about spending money) and hire a better coach (eg, Aldman, the Rockect HC or Nate, the Blazer’s HC; both should be available) in this off-season, the Hawks will have a chance to win the East next year.

rusty

February 26th, 2011
7:44 pm

Yea nortcyde jj had about a week & a half of good basketball tis season ,oh I forgot that he was hurt,oh is he still hurt,was he hurt the last 2 seasons in the playoffs,talk about playing slow, he slows the hawks down with all of his stupid dribbling & throwing the ball out to js at the 3 pt line with time running out,oh & this is how he gets most of his assists. What real chance did lt ever give jt a few min here & there with plenty of dnp

rusty

February 26th, 2011
7:46 pm

Nortcyde oh & what about jc2 given no chance but oh mo had time. I want to gag

O'Brien

February 26th, 2011
7:52 pm

MC’s tweets;

Drew says “strong possibility” there will be changes to lineup/rotation. No specifics..

Drew has been saying that from before the All-Star game, so its falling on deaf ears. The only change I can think of is Hinrich starting over Teague, which I think is ok since we are playing Miller and Brandon Roy.

Drew on DNP for @zaza27 “Coach’s decision. . . . I wanted to give Josh Powell minutes to see how he would respond” .

Powell had 4 points, 8 rebounds and 3 turnovers in 18 minutes. I wonder if LD was satisfied with what he saw.

And why isnt Hinrich the starter?

Still learning plays. Drew says he will be eventually.

Teague is going to have to play the same way with the bench like he has played with the starters. Can he? Time will tell.

Oldtimer

February 26th, 2011
8:20 pm

Teague has made a huge difference.
Northcyde, you are normally right on, but in this case, you sound like you are not watching the games. What good are stats off the sites if we all seen how Teague been treated all year. When every time he makes a mistake he is taken out. Bibby and JAmal make mistake after mistake and underperform, and are left in.

There is zero justification for how you are trying to justify not playing Teague by quoting stats from sites, without taking bigger picture of how Teague was treated all year by not being given quality opportunity time, even when he performed in games prior.

ant banks

February 26th, 2011
8:21 pm

if the playoffs started today the hawks route is:

1st round: hawks vs orlando. hawks in 7 games
2nd round hawks vs boston. CAN WE WIN 4 GAMES AGAINST BOSTON?
3rd would be against miami or chicago.

AG

February 26th, 2011
8:27 pm

I have said it before START JEFF TEAGUE

drmaryb (*_*)

February 26th, 2011
8:51 pm

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In Thursday’s Pickup of the Day column that runs in the Season Pass, I listed about 50 potential fantasy free agents and assigned them all a grade. John Salmons got an A+, while Brandon Roy got an F. I thought about turning this Dose into this week’s Waiver Wired and doing a similar column, but then decided that was the lazy man’s way out. So here are my Grade A pickups, in order, followed by a look at last night’s action, and what we may see on Friday night. If you’re looking for some trade-by-trade analysis, I won’t be going there much, as Aaron Bruski has already got that covered here, and in great detail.

Chase Budinger G/F Rockets A+
Serge Ibaka F/C Thunder A+
Jason Thompson F/C Kings A
Ramon Sessions G Cavs A
Gerald Henderson G Bobcats A
Greg Monroe F/C Pistons A
Wilson Chandler G/F Nuggets A (maybe he was dropped in your league)
Willie Green G Hornets A
Tyler Hansbrough F Pacers A
Troy Murphy F/C ? A-
Kirk Hinrich G Hawks A-

Budinger is the new starting small forward for the Rockets (at least, I think he is) and appears to be challenged only by Terrence Williams, who Rick Adelman may or may not realize is on his team. He’s coming off a huge game and Shane Battier is now in Memphis, making life miserable for the owners of Tony Allen, and maybe Sam Young. Budinger has never lived up to the hype, and may not this time, but odds are he at least become relevant and consistent.

Ibaka is now the man at PF for OKC, Thompson will celebrate the loss of Carl Landry, Baron Davis may or may not play in Cleveland, meaning Sessions is still valuable, Henderson is going to start and get plenty of run for the Bobcats, Monroe is coming on, Chandler was great in his debut as sixth man for the Nuggets, Green is quietly tearing it up as a starter in New Orleans, Hansbrough might start after Josh McRoberts was almost traded yesterday, and Hinrich is the new starting point guard in Atlanta.

Murphy is an interesting option, as he prepares to be bought out by GSW, meaning he’ll soon be a free agent once he clears waivers. I would expect him to sign with another team in the next 10 days. The Celtics clearly feel like they must obtain his services and if he agrees, he could be their new starting center, replacing the dearly departed Kendrick Perkins. He’ll also listen to pitches from the Heat and Magic, and then make his decision.

If Murphy goes to Boston I think he becomes a must-own player, if he’s not too out of shape. However, something tells me that Miami is going to be tough for him to pass up, as this is a guy who has played in the league for 10 years and 639 games, and never been to the playoffs. If everyone and their mother says the Celtics can’t win it all without Perkins, then I bet Murphy knows it too. And it’s not like the guy is going to be looking to “get his numbers” after sitting on the couch eating ice cream all season. He’s going to want to win, and he’s going to want a ring. And when LeBron, D-Wade and Like A Bosh show up on his doorstep, it’s going to be very hard for him to say no. Yes, I think Boston might be the front-runner right now, but my money is on him joining the Heat in the next 10 days or so. And if he does, he might be worth having, but will not qualify as a must-own player.

Guys who took a hit yesterday include Nicolas Batum, Arron Afflalo, Raymond Felton, Ty Lawson, Jeff Green, DeAndre Jordan, Tony Allen, Sam Young (maybe), Kwame Brown and Mike Bibby, to name a few. None of these are guys, except for Kwame and Bibby, I’d automatically drop, as they’re simply too good to be thrown in the trash. But Batum is hurt by Gerald Wallace, Afflalo is hurt by Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari and J.R. Smith, Felton and Lawson are in a classic timeshare, Green could/should come off the bench in Boston, Chris Kaman is hurting Jordan, and Shane Battier is going to mess with Allen’s and Young’s minutes. If you’re wondering why Chandler’s a hot pickup and Afflalo’s a drop, it’s a good question. But if Chandler was dropped in your league, he should be owned. Afflalo is a guy I think you’re going to start seeing on waivers very soon, and I think he’s headed to being a 3-point specialist that will score 10 points a game. I seem to be in the minority there, or at least I was until we saw it come to fruition last night.

Other droppable players, in my mind, include Brandon Roy, Ryan Anderson, Brandon Bass, Vince Carter, Josh McRoberts and Andris Biedrins, to name a few
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northcyde

February 26th, 2011
8:59 pm

@ Oldtimer

It’s just that I refuse to succumb to some sort of conspiracy theory against Teague, like some of the others are doing.

I don’t focus on the 5 games he’s played well in, and ignore the other 35 in which he made little to no impact on the game whatsoever.

Teague was a set part of the rotation back in November. Back then, the bench played well for a while, but as the opponents got a little tougher, they eventually showed their true colors.

Keep in mind that this team started out 6 – 0. 9 games later, we were 8 – 7. Injuries were part of the reason for that. But the main reason was the lackluster play coming from the bench. A bench that included Jeff Teague.

This team started to stabilize in December, the minute Drew shortened the rotation, and stopped giving some of the reserves extended minutes. We even had to go out and get Damien Wilkins.

Then we really got on a roll when JJ came back early, and played lights out for us in January.

The whole song and dance about Teague not having a chance, is the same thing said about Salim . . Shelden . . Acie . . and now Jeff.

It just gets old. Players simply have to put up, or shut up.

The Hawks are not a developing team anymore. We’re a playoff level team. So if you’re ready to contribute, you’ll play. If not, then you’ll sit the bench.

If it took a Bibby trade to finally light a fire under Teague, then I’m all for him playing more. But I want him to play like he wants it, not like he deserves it.

That’s one of the issues I have with Marvin. Marvin thinks he deserves playing time, whether he earns it or not. Can’t play in the NBA with that mentality. A player will flat out TAKE your spot, if you’re not careful.
At some point, as a player, you simply have to go out there and play so well, that the coach HAS to play you.

I personally wouldn’t have had a problem if Teague would’ve played more the past few weeks, because Bibby was playing so bad. But I understand why Drew didn’t make the change. When push came to shove, he trusted Bibby and Jamal . . and he didn’t trust Teague one bit.

drmaryb (*_*)

February 26th, 2011
9:09 pm

Toss it Up!

“Kwame Brown and Mike Bibby, to name a few. None of these are guys, except for Kwame and Bibby, I’d automatically drop, as they’re simply too good to be thrown in the trash. ”
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Dang! Why the dissing my boy, Mr. Bibby? That is just wronge. And, disrespectful. Kwame Brown should be on the “hot-garbage” pile, sure.
But, Bibby can still help a few contenders from a bench role. I would like to see Mike get a chance at a ring now. Why not?
Everyone else has ring – shopped too.

drmaryb (*_*)

February 26th, 2011
9:09 pm

Toss it Up!

“Kwame Brown and Mike Bibby, to name a few. None of these are guys, except for Kwame and Bibby, I’d automatically drop, as they’re simply too good to be thrown in the trash. ”
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Dang! Why they dissing my boy, Mr. Bibby? That is just wronge. And, disrespectful. Kwame Brown should be on the “hot-garbage” pile, sure.
But, Bibby can still help a few contenders from a bench role. I would like to see Mike get a chance at a ring now. Why not?
Everyone else has ring – shopped too.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 26th, 2011
9:13 pm

Role players succeed when they have defined roles. DeJuan Blair’s role is rebounding and playing physical defense. Bruce Bowen’s role was playing lock down defense and hitting corner 3’s. Jamal Crawford’s role is instant offense. Big Baby Davis’s role is crashing the boards and playing physically under the basket. Damien Wilkins’ role is to play active defense. Serge Ibaka’s role is to play D and block shots. These players come into the game knowing exactly what is expected of them.

Teague’s role has been… what, exactly? Is he supposed to come in and run sets? Drive to the hoop? Push the ball in transition? Avoid turning the ball over? Should he focus on scoring? Passing? Neither? Giving it up and spotting up like Bibby? When has Woody or LD ever come out and said here’s your role, here’s what you have to focus on doing, and here are the minutes during which you will be doing it?

I’ll tell you when: two days ago, when LD said Teague should just come out and attack without worrying about screwing up. So often in Teague’s career, he has come in in attack mode, but it has resulted in a turnover or two and he would find himself getting a DNP the next game.

This team has had a long standing problem with defining roles for their players, and it has affected more players than just Teague (most notably Smoove). It started with BK’s vision of a team of interchangeable parts, and manifested itself further with Woody’s inability to get anything out of his bench and unwillingness to implement an offensive system. LD has improved the offense, and in some cases (like Jason Collins in particular) has done a better job of defining roles for his players, but it’s still baffling that he wasn’t able to define a role for Teague in light of the fact that until this trade, there was no semblance of perimeter defense at the point guard position for this team.

Gameflows and advanced stats are nice, but they tell you what happens, not why it’s happening. The assumption that Teague doesn’t make an impact because he’s not good doesn’t take into account the situation in which he’s been. Not trying to make him out to be some kind of star, but clearly he has enough skills to where he could have been contributing solid rotation minutes for this team long before the last couple of games.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 26th, 2011
9:23 pm

“Bibby and JAmal make mistake after mistake and underperform, and are left in.”

Forget Bibby and Jamal; at least they hit open shots, and you can make the argument (although I’d disagree) that their shot making ability warranted keeping them on the floor. But LD has clearly proven in one other instance that he has no problem giving regular minutes to an unproductive, error prone, ineffective bench player — or else Zaza Pachulia would have been nailed to the bench long before two days ago. And Zaza isn’t like Teague where there’s no way of knowing what his ceiling is. I find it hard to buy this “if you can ball you can ball” argument when Collins has consistently outplayed Zaza all season and Zaza has received more minutes. It doesn’t have to be a conspiracy against Teague; it could just be sheer ineptitude on the part of LD.

It was not a bad pick

February 26th, 2011
9:37 pm

great to see Jordan finally get free..hopefully Marvin can be next….for him to take only 7 shots make me sick to my stomach..oh yeah, the Joe Max, who has a MAX contract had 12 points taking 14 shots to get those 12 points..

Melvin

February 26th, 2011
9:45 pm

Mo Evans got a Tech last night against the Heat and just committed a Flagrant Foul tonight against the Mavs

Melvin

February 26th, 2011
9:50 pm

It was not a bad pick,

Just stop it. Marvin played 33mins last night and attempted 1 more shot then he committed turnovers. Its not his teammates fault he can’t create his own shots….

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
10:10 pm

Northcyde = “But it’s not just about providing energy, it’s proving to the coach that he can trust you. And the easiest way to gain trust, is to produce out on the court.”

That’s what you said. So Mo’ was producing more on court than Wilkens? Huh? Conspiracy theories on Teague? Huh? We’re talking about a pattern here, consisting of multiple players.

And playing time is earned by what is done on the court – supposed to be. So when Teague posts numbers in Dec. for 12.3 mpg that are extrapolated out exceed by a wide margin anything Bibby is doing he is taken out of the rotation. Huh? And this is supposed to be developing a player?

Northcyde – Those stats on Popcorn don’t deny my point, they prove it. I love most of what you say, but your just dead wrong about this.

And I can understand your cynicism. You’ve been thru Acie, Salim, Ivey, and you think Teague is just like them. Unless he get’s hurt, that will be shown to be incorrect. Sorry. Like I said, we’ll just agree to disagree. And I know numbers don’t make truth. But I think most people who follow the Hawks, MC included, have got a grasp on this point that you do not. Glad your defending the Coach. But I think your defending him off a cliff.

Sund just saved LD’s job by the way by making this trade.

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
10:11 pm

Najeh said, “It doesn’t have to be a conspiracy against Teague; it could just be sheer ineptitude on the part of LD.” And I’m afraid that it is.

O'Brien

February 26th, 2011
10:14 pm

Najeh,

Exactly. Can Mo Evans ball? Can ZaZa ball?

Some veterans struggle when they get sporadic minutes, much less a second year player who would be a senior in college right now, and only played sporadic minutes his rookie year. And he plays PG, arguably the hardest position to learn on the team.

Add to the fact that the SGs (JJ and Jamal) dominated the ball last year, and the HC (Woody) basically let them go ISO alot. Teague got pulled whenever he makes a mistake, but the veterans would get to do whatever they want sometimes.

But yet fans want to put all the blame on Teague for not taking charge when he goes into the game. I think he should be blamed. but the HC (both Woody and LD) should share the blame as well (imo).

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
10:16 pm

Northcyde – You said “I personally wouldn’t have had a problem if Teague would’ve played more the past few weeks, because Bibby was playing so bad. But I understand why Drew didn’t make the change. When push came to shove, he trusted Bibby and Jamal . . and he didn’t trust Teague one bit.”

And he trusted Mo’ instead of Wilkens also? Weird. And he trusted Mo’ and Bibby to get blown out by 41 to the Hornets and set records for ineptitude in the process, get blown out by the Sixers by 34 again at home. Get beat by the Lakers by 23, that could have been 50 if the Lakers would have wanted it, all in the space of 13 games.

Yea, Wilkens and Teague were alot worse than Mo’ and Bibby. See why he didn’t trust them. Yea, right. Get a grip. Your a good poster, just jaundiced about this for some reason

Najeh Davenpoop

February 26th, 2011
10:17 pm

Jordan Crawford hitting big shots in crunch time for Washington.

Melvin

February 26th, 2011
10:17 pm

Wizards call IsoJordan to against kid in the last min of the game out of a time out and Jordan hit the jumpshot to tie the game….

Melvin

February 26th, 2011
10:18 pm

Najeh,

I like John Wall but he’s playing out of control. They are daring him to take the jumpshot…

O'Brien

February 26th, 2011
10:20 pm

Joe Johnson on Teague:

“I think we all understand he is a young player and he is going to make mistakes but now he can just play through them and just play freely. Obviously he’s got the talent. We’ve just got to put the ball in his hand and trust him.”.

Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but JJ says Teague can play through his mistakes “now”. That implies to me that he wasn’t able to play through them before because he would get pulled for Bibby quickly.