Atlanta Hawks at Warriors: The new guys, plus Rick Sund

1st?

• Link
• Report this comment

I like the trade but its time to start expecting something from our investment in Al,Josh and Joe .

Al and Josh are no longer nba puppies . Al is the youngest of the bunch and he has over 280 games and 29 playoff games . Its time for the excuse making to stop and for these guys to setup or be moved.

Im hoping that the addition of Hinrich means that the front office is ready to start evaluating these guys on there commitment to winning titles and there ability to help us move toward that goal.

I like our chances in the east if we can avoid the Bulls until the conference finals as they seem to me to have the hungriest team in the east .

Right now we are not even in position to have homecourt in the first rd so we need to get serious and start stringing together some wins .

I like our matchup with Mia but we will need homecourt to beat the Magic in the first rd

Our ideal path imo is

first rd Orl

second rd Mia

conference finals Bulls or Bos

• Link
• Report this comment

Casey, they probably woulda sold the pick anyway. Thats why Sund didnt care about losing it.

• Link
• Report this comment

Good to hear from you again, MC. We were wondering where you were at the deadline yesterday.

Any truth to the rumor that the Hawks were trying to trade Marvin and couldn’t find any takers? I’m curious what you know, because that’s one that could’ve very easily been made up.

• Link
• Report this comment

“You look at the two teams in the championship last year in final game, of the 10 starters nine where in their 30s.”

LOL so basically Sund is saying we have no shot at competing. Because earlier in the paragraph he said we are a very young team.

Also, is it just me or does he spend his whole day memorizing stats rather than actually assessing what’s wrong with the team? I have never seen a Rick Stunk interview where he hasn’t dropped some obscure stat

• Link
• Report this comment

If LD was so pleased with Teague the other night, why were his minuets so limited?

• Link
• Report this comment

We’re rooting for ya Teague.

• Link
• Report this comment

Hinrich as a PG will put the players in Position, so that helps. With Jamal probably leaving, his presence will help bigtime.

I would have loved to have Felton. Harris 2nd. Hinrich was my 3rd choice, barely ahead of Sessions, just because of his D. But I would have loved to pick up Sessions..

• Link
• Report this comment

You do realize we now have 2 members of the All League Defensive Team on the squad now, Josh and Kirk? This move is going to help us more than we know.

And Teague has surely paid his dues. Nobody has given him anything. I hope he goes out and becomes DRose Jr.

• Link
• Report this comment

JeJe,

LD isn’t a great coach. Pretty simple. He is good at certain things but has failed to achieve the type of “balance” Woodson did when we were beating good teams and winning at home. He’s way too focused on the offense and Jamal was hot. LD is a sucker for that once in every 5 games Jamal gets really hot.

• Link
• Report this comment

My last post should have “for the first time” after little on the first line. Sorry.

• Link
• Report this comment

“Dont understand the love for Felton. Dantoni boost a lot of players numbers. That guy was avg at best in Charlotte.”

The flip side is that Larry Brown holds down his point guards’ numbers a lot. Felton’s actual value probably lies somewhere in between what he did in Charlotte and what he did in NYC.

• Link
• Report this comment

Co-sign everyone else on the “pulling for Teague” tip. Ideally I’d like to see him seize this starting job given this opportunity, Hinrich or no Hinrich. I like the trade in the short term and Hinrich is a good addition, but Teague developing into a reliable starter would completely change the fortunes of this team.

• Link
• Report this comment

Sports Guy’s buddy House says Hinrich is washed up.

I prefer to think he’ll lead us to a world title

• Link
• Report this comment

“If you are upset the Hawks couldn’t make a splashier deal then realize it takes assets like expiring contracts, productive players with reasonable contracts, young players with potential and draft picks. ”

The Hawks do have one gigantic expiring contract in Jamal Crawford, and I spent way more time than a mentally healthy person should on the last blog coming up with reasonable trade scenarios involving his expiring deal that would have strengthened the Hawks’ depth while reasonably compensating for the absence of Jamal’s scoring off the bench. Every single scenario I came up with involved the Hawks taking back expiring contracts. It’s not like the Hawks couldn’t have bolstered their depth while maintaining financial flexibility going forward.

MC, I know you say Sund didn’t want to discuss trades that didn’t happen, but I wish you would have asked him whether he views Jamal as part of the “core group”. If nothing else it would provide a little insight on what the Hawks’ plans are regarding him this offseason.

• Link
• Report this comment

Hinrich has had some injuries this year.

Hope he’s healthy

• Link
• Report this comment

As for Hilton Armstrong, here’s how he stacks up compared to Zaza:

TS%: Hilton 51.9%, Zaza 52.5% (Zaza gets to the line a lot more)
eFG%: Hilton 49.2%, Zaza 41.8%
Offensive rebound %: Hilton 10.6%, Zaza 11.1% (a difference that very easily might be a result of Zaza rebounding his own misses)
Defensive rebound %: Hilton 21.6%, Zaza 19.9%
Total rebound %: Hilton 15.9%, Zaza 15.6%
Block %: Hilton 3.0%, Zaza 1.4%
Turnover %: Hilton 25.2%, Zaza 18.9% (that’s a major red flag)
Usage: Hilton 10.7%, Zaza 15.5%
PER: Hilton 8.6, Zaza 10.6
Per-36 minute averages: Hilton 6.7 pts, 5.6 FGA, 10 boards (3.4 offensive), 48.4% shooting, 2 FTA, 60.9% FTs, 1.3 stl, 1.4 blk
Zaza 10 pts, 7.1 FGA, 9.4 boards (3.4 offensive), 41.8% shooting, 5.6 FTA, 73.3% FTs, 0.8 stl, 0.6 blk

Long story short, Hilton is probably just as bad offensively as Zaza, but he’s as good of a rebounder and a better shot blocker and is probably less likely to take shots outside of his comfort zone. I hope he gets a legitimate shot to take Zaza’s spot in the rotation. And who knows how well he plays position defense, but if he can approach Collins’ effectiveness there, it would give the Hawks a better option against the Dwight Howards of the league since Hilton blocks shots and rebounds at a higher rate than Collins.

• Link
• Report this comment

Hard to be healthy healthy. I’ll play full-court 4 days a week, its either my foot, knees, calves, thighs, hands, or arms. Usually a combination of everything. He’s averaging 30 MPG, we shouldn’t need more then that if Teague starts to get PT.

• Link
• Report this comment

Najeh – Co-sign bigtime about Larry Brown and PG’s, and Felton.

The one thing Armstrong does not have in guarding Dwight, is about 20 lbs. Collins is a big body on Dwight. And so is ZaZa. Good to hear Sund was at least trying to trade ZaZa

I would rather have Solo than Armstrong. But I think the culture of this team just shifted from having alot of fun, to having fun and winning. Captain Kirk will team with Al and JJ, and focus on winning.

And Al may be able to help Armstrong.

And I think Josh will respect Kirk. They may tangle a little like Woody and Josh, but at the end of the day, one of the smartest PG’s in the League is not going to give the ball to Josh in certain spots.

• Link
• Report this comment

Compared to the rest of the Hawks, among players who play regular minutes, only Al has a higher rebound rate than Hilton, only Smoove has a higher block rate than Hilton, only Collins has a lower usage rate than Hilton, Hilton clocks in ahead of Jamal/Joe/Teague in eFG%, but Hilton does have a higher turnover rate than anyone on the Hawks.

• Link
• Report this comment

Najeh – Stern is talking about at least a transitional luxury tax, with hard cap. It will take teams like LA, who will owe Kobe 30 mill. in a couple of years, a few years to get below the hard cap. So those teams will most likely still be in the tax, and have to decrease salaries a certain % each year.

And Arenas will be making like 21 mill in 3 years. Terrible to take on that contract with a hard cap. Not like JJ who is at least still productive.

And expect JJ to have a big game tonight. Ellis can’t stop him.

• Link
• Report this comment

i voted bad.

When you look at some of the deals that went down, you have to ask yourself if we couldn’t have gotten someone ( or mutiple significant people ) . . . if we’d dangled Jamal’s expiring contract at people.

Maybe Jamal + Marvin + Jordan + a 1st round pick gets us a decent shot at a Deron Williams + another Utah player . . or Miller and Camby.

Sund/ASG did a minimum type deal, in my opinion. Every contending team in the East understood since the summer, that this was a NUCLEAR ARMS RACE . . except the Hawks.

Everybody else keeps adding cruise missiles and stealth bombers, while the Hawks add tanks and propellor planes that shoot 50 cal bullets.

• Link
• Report this comment

One thing I’d like to know about Hinrich is how good he is at posting up smaller guards. You would think a 6′3″ point guard would use his size to his advantage in that way. If Kirk has a post game, tonight against Stephen Curry would be a good time to use it.

• Link
• Report this comment

“Sund/ASG did a minimum type deal, in my opinion. Every contending team in the East understood since the summer, that this was a NUCLEAR ARMS RACE . . except the Hawks.”

I voted good from an absolute perspective; the trade makes the Hawks better now and didn’t give up any assets that I thought would help the Hawks in the near future. I have my doubts as to whether Jordan would have ever found a consistent role on this team, particularly if Jamal is re-signed (as Gearon apparently wants). And as we all know, Sund is horrible at drafting. But there’s no doubt that Hinrich pales in comparison to players like Deron Williams (who I don’t think the Hawks would have been able to acquire unless they traded Horford) or Devin Harris (who I think the Hawks could have very possibly acquired using Jamal’s contract if they threw in multiple draft picks). He’s a good fit for this team, but he’s not the game changer at the point guard position the Hawks need to bump their ceiling up by a playoff round or two.

• Link
• Report this comment

Re-sign Jamal….

Only if LD isn’t the coach. He doesn’t understand that jamal is average at best. Being a good scorer and a horrible defender is an average player. If he isn’t scoring LD still keeps him in the game…He has no clue what to do with Jamal.

I hope it is Kirk and Marvin closing out games now.

• Link
• Report this comment

I like it! Sund did what he could to get what we needed.

• Link
• Report this comment

Nique is not alone — John Wall – “they expect me to have the best nimbers every night”

• Link
• Report this comment

Hopefully Teague has another solid game. If he is playing well LD should stick with him but with LD you never know. Marvin was terrible the other night and still almost played 30 minutes. LD has to stop sticking with guys who are not contributing on the floor. I think it was a solid trade. Bibby was just killing the team defensively. Guys had to cover their man and his because he couldn’t keep anyone in front of him. When I saw Fisher blowing past Bibby I knew it was time…I keep thinking though that the solution might have just been to let Teague play with the starters and cut Bibby’s minutes. Its easy to look bad when you’re on the floor with Mo, Zaza, and Powell instead of Joe, Josh, and Al…Hopefully they get out of this slump.

• Link
• Report this comment

As I said in the previous blog, the verdict is still out on this trade. If Hinrich return value is extremely low compared to Jordon future potentials then it’s a bad trade. However, if Captain Kirk can get the Hawks playing in the second round, then it was a good trade. Also understand that even if the Hawks didn’t have Jordon in their future plans, perhaps he could have been leveraged for much more given more PT. Also a disaster scenario still looms if the Hawks don’t resign Jamal. Then Sund would have successfully screwed us further losing JC1, JC2 and the 2011 draft pick assuming we exit early in the playoff. Sund did however send a message to all of us when he said:

“it’s up to the players and how they are going to respond to it and how they are going to respond in the playoffs”

So the players and coaches will share some of the blame if things don’t go as plan.

• Link
• Report this comment

Come on, Michael…I wasn’t the only one to that realized you suddenly went mute while everyone was panhandling for information. And, really, I highly doubt your schedule is so demanding that you barely eat, sleep, bathe. So, stop. Just admit you should have been on here yesterday. You dropped the ball.

• Link
• Report this comment

what did you want to hear? that the hawks didn’t make another deal? that they talked about moving Zaza for Brad Miller and it didn’t happen? so basically you wanted me to update you on stuff that didn’t happen?

Actually, yeah, that would’ve been appreciated. People were blowing up the blog (and numerous other sources) leading up to the deadline and in the period that followed when deals were still being announced trying to get any information about what the Hawks were or weren’t doing. I don’t know when the ZaZa for Miller trade fell through, but even a “Hey, the Hawks are done dealing” would’ve at least let us know we could move on and wait to find out about all the draft day movement until the dust settled, instead of hanging on trying to find out what the Hawks were doing, if anything.

I’m not going so far as to say you are mailing it in, because I’ve actually enjoyed your coverage, but Section 303 isn’t the only one who was, let’s say surprised, at your absence on one of the biggest days on the NBA calendar.

• Link
• Report this comment

MC,

were you catching up on sleep on deadline day? I notice you were a bit less active. NBA Trade Deadline day is one of the biggest days of the NBA Season (if not the biggest) for many diehard NBA/Hawks fans.

FIRE SUND

• Link
• Report this comment

Absentee Father?

Now MC, you know some of these guys grew up without a Father.
They didn’t get a lot of “hugs” and “I love you – son” moments in their past life. (childhood, that is)

So, you being their Daddy now? You can’t just drop the groceries off like, 2 blogs per week and expect these blog monster babies to be satisfied and not trashing the rooms.
__________________

LOL & ROF (kicking the couch)

• Link
• Report this comment

I will make this simple! The trade is good for a short term solution and the short term is where we are now. Long term is for the teams that are outside the playoff window.

Bottom line! Regardless of Josh hoisting jumpers, regardless of Horford not rebounding and blocking out, regardless of Marvin being weak 90% of the time on his way to the basket, regardless of all that, JOE JOHNSON has to score buckets!!! Not 14 a game, not 19 a game but 24+ per game to create necessary victories for the Hawks. Once he does that, the rest will take care of itself….

• Link
• Report this comment

Section 303, MC, shall I bring the boxing gloves?

• Link
• Report this comment

On to basketball….Mo Evans checks in for the Wizards against the Heat. He drills a 3-point shot right off the bat.

I ripped that guy for the past 8-months or so. But, for some reason, I find myself pulling for him to do well tonight.

• Link
• Report this comment

MC,

I believe you. It’s just strange that I can’t post on this blog at home. Maybe it’s the browser.

• Link
• Report this comment

Rod from College Park,

When you’re posting, make sure your Email at home is the same as the one you’re using when you are away from your house. I ran into that problem myself once.

• Link
• Report this comment

After taking on Hinrich’s deal, I would think the ASG needed Jamal’s expiring contract next year.

• Link
• Report this comment

RIP Jason Collier. Oddly enough, he was the last American born white player on the team 04′-05′.. Correct me if I am mistaken. ZaZa has been holding down as the only white player for a while. Chuck & Chernoff were making fun of Kirk, and had the all white player Hawk team of all time. I want to have a little fun with it, but starting from 00″ C- Collier F- Bowdler Gugliotta G- Sura PG Dickau bench Crawford, Maloney… that is all I can come up with.

• Link
• Report this comment

Mo Evans just got hit 1st tech as Wizard…. And Bibby just missed a 3pt….LOL…. So glad Kirk Hinrich will be in a Hawks uniform tonight….

• Link
• Report this comment

Hey, can the game be seen tonight online?

• Link
• Report this comment

In 5 minutes of PT, Bibby is 0-3 from the field (0-2 from 3). And he has a -10 rating. Ouch.

• Link
• Report this comment

Bibby is done, we all knew it. Thanks for the memories. I think we should resign Priest Lauderdale, Dion Glover, and Roshown Mcloud for the stretch run.

• Link
• Report this comment

ag,

Well, American-born since ‘00 limits it. Laettner and Kukoc would be 2 other white guys, but they missed the time frame and wasn’t American, respectively.

• Link
• Report this comment

The very definition of cani-blogging over here.

• Link
• Report this comment

ag, if you’re talking about Leon Powe circa ‘07-’08, I’m in. Leon Powe after that season blew out his knee and is not even a shadow of his former self.

I’m actually really enjoying this Wizards/Heat game. Strange seeing Bibby in a Wiz uniform. I still like that guy. Sad to see him go.

Mo Evans, by the way….he’s still Mo Evans. He hit that quick 3. Then, he threw a lazy pass that Wade picked off, took in for a slam, and was fouled by….Mo Evans! Then, as I saw someone already posted, he later fouled Wade and was hit with a T for his complaint.

Jordan Crawford still has not seen the floor.

• Link
• Report this comment

Rashard and Bosh combine first half stats. 1-10 fgs, 2pts, 4rebs. 35 mil in salary… SMH

• Link
• Report this comment

I saw that Jarred Jeffries was waived. He could be a decent pick up. He can guard a few positions. Doesn’t do anything great but he does the dirty work.

• Link
• Report this comment

cp,

Jeffries all but guaranteed to go back to Knicks.

Melvin,

After going 1-18 last night, Bosh is 2-6 tonight

• Link
• Report this comment

Jordan with a 360 behind his head layup for his basket of the night

• Link
• Report this comment

Bibby needs to grow up.

He’s just mad he’s not a starter anymore (he shouldn’t have been the last 2 years).

Grow a pair.

• Link
• Report this comment

SMH…at Mo Evans dribbling the ball off his foot out of bounds in cruch time…some things never change.

• Link
• Report this comment

JeJe,

Yep he guarding Bron.

• Link
• Report this comment

Wizards were down 4pts before Bibby came into the game, now they are down 11pts… Bibby -19…

• Link
• Report this comment

lmao@Bibby’s team low +/- tonight for the Wizards

• Link
• Report this comment

Man, no wonder we’ve been stinking up the joint. Why did LD insist on playing Bibby and Mo’ over Teague and Wilkens? We’re liable to go on a streak now.

I re-emphasize, I expect JJ to have a very good game – like 26 pts on above .500 shooting, unless he’s hurt and not telling anybody again

• Link
• Report this comment

If I were the Wiz, I would play JC2 20+ per night, just to give him experience. Your team is already terrible, might as well play the young guy. At least he’s exciting to watch.

• Link
• Report this comment

Major meltdown happening in Cleveland. They were up double digits now only 2 with 2mins left to play….

• Link
• Report this comment

Melvin,

Dont forget Bibby also had 4 assists.

Is it just me, or does Slick Rick like talking about the past?

• Link
• Report this comment

Gibson for 3!!!!!!!!!! Knicks have NO defense!!

• Link
• Report this comment

God I hate the word “core” now.

• Link
• Report this comment

Lol @ the Knicks.

• Link
• Report this comment

M.L. Car for the Cavs is the most annoying announcer in the business. Good thing these Cavs don’t win alot of games anymore…

• Link
• Report this comment

MC: if there was anything that surprised me about the coverage of the last couple of days, it was that I learned about the Hinrich trade from 4 or 5 other sources before I heard it from this blog or from @ajchawks. I respect and appreciate not wanting to post unverified information, and I think if you were to do that people would only get more p-ssed off in the end that the Hawks were not able to close the deal on anything. But I won’t pretend it didn’t surprise me a little that your first tweet after the trade was two hours after it was reported, published, etc. on Yahoo, CBS, etc.

Of course, it now appears that Bibby was in the same boat as you.

In any case, I’ve always gotten the impression that you concern yourself more with the day to day goings on of the players on the court, in practice, etc. than you do with the workings of the front office, and you do a fine job of covering that. The day I am dissatisfied with the coverage here is the day I no longer show up — in true Atlanta sports fan style.

• Link
• Report this comment

My philosophy on trades, just confirmed on ESPN: Always trade multiple players for one good player. I think we may have just done that with Hinrich – no offense Hilton.

From ESPN:

“PEOPLE WHO FORGET THAT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TRADE THREE OR FOUR QUARTERS FOR A DOLLAR IN BASKETBALL: F-minus

If you disagree with the previous few paragraphs, you’re bucking five solid decades of NBA history. Since 1965, not one NBA team that traded a package of pieces for a superstar regretted it after the fact. Don’t believe me? Here’s the complete list:

1965: Philly trades Connie Dierking, Paul Neumann, Lee Shaffer and cash to San Francisco for Wilt Chamberlain.

1968: Lakers trade Jerry Chambers, Archie Clark and Darrell Imhoff to Philly for Wilt Chamberlain.

1970: Milwaukee trades Flynn Robinson and Charlie Paulk to Cincinnati for Oscar Robertson.

1975: Lakers trade Elmore Smith, Brian Winters, Dave Meyers and Junior Bridgeman to Milwaukee for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

1983: Philly trades Caldwell Jones and Cleveland’s 1983 first-rounder (No. 3, Rodney McCray) to Houston for Moses Malone.

1993: Phoenix trades Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry and Andrew Lang to Philly for Charles Barkley.

1994: Washington trades Tom Gugliotta, 1996 first-rounder (No. 11, Todd Fuller), 1998 first (No. 13, Keon Clark) and 2000 first (No. 7, Chris Mihm) to Golden State for Chris Webber.

1996: Houston trades Robert Horry, Sam Cassell, Chucky Brown and Mark Bryant to Phoenix for Charles Barkley.

1996: Phoenix trades Michael Finley, Sam Cassell, A.C. Green and a 1998 No. 2 (No. 53, Greg Buckner) to Dallas for Jason Kidd, Tony Dumas and Loren Meyer.

1999: Phoenix trades Danny Manning, Pat Garrity, 2001 first-rounder (No. 18, Jason Collins) and 2002 first (No. 9, Amare Stoudemire) to Orlando for Penny Hardaway.

2004: Houston trades Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato to Orlando for Tracy McGrady, Tyronn Lue, Reece Gaines and Juwan Howard.

2005: New Jersey trades Alonzo Mourning, Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, Philly’s 2005 No. 1 pick (No. 16, Joey Graham) and a 2006 No. 1 (No. 20, Renaldo Balkman) to Toronto for Vince Carter.

2005: Miami trades Lamar Odom, Brian Grant, Caron Butler, a 2006 No. 1 (No. 26, Jordan Farmar) and a 2006 No. 2 (No. 50, Renaldas Seibutis) to the Lakers for Shaquille O’Neal.

2007: Boston trades Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 No. 1 (No. 28, Wayne Ellington) and the rights to Minnesota’s 2009 No. 1 (No. 6, Jonny Flynn) to Minnesota for Kevin Garnett.

2008: Lakers trade Kwame Brown, Jarvaris Crittendon, Aaron McKie, the rights to Marc Gasol, a 2008 No. 1 (No. 28, Donte Greene) and a 2010 No. 1 (No. 28, Greivis Vasquez) to Memphis for Pau Gasol.

That’s 15 trades in all. Eight of them (Wilt, Wilt again, Oscar, Moses, Barkley, Shaq, KG and Gasol) resulted in a championship or a Finals appearance within two seasons. The Lakers ended up winning five titles with Kareem. Houston came within two wins and a Matt Maloney meltdown of making the ‘97 Finals with Barkley. Jersey easily won the Vince trade; same for Houston with T-Mac. Phoenix won the Kidd trade, although Finley had a nice career in Dallas. Washington’s Webber deal could have backfired if any of the picks panned out … but they didn’t. Only Phoenix’s Penny deal failed to work out, but in a strange twist, the Suns got their No. 1 pick back in a subsequent deal and took Stoudemire with it, so

The title of the article is like “Always trade quarters for dollars”. When you trade multiple players for 1 good one, you almost always come out ahead. In today’s NBA, it’s a stars League. Only 5 guys on the court at once. You want the best 5 guys in crunch time.

Glad we got Hinrich, major upgrade over Bibby. And if Teague blossoms, and Wilkens doe’s well, so much the better. We may finally do something.

• Link
• Report this comment

Ok guys.

1) Who wins (Hawks or GS)?
2) Who is Hawks player of the game?

I think Hawks win, and JJ has a big game. He has averaged 11.3 pts while shooting 39.2 percent over the last six contests. he is way overdue for a breakout.

• Link
• Report this comment

P.S – Of course I don’t think Hinrich is a superstar by any stretch, but we trade 2 bad pieces and 1 piece LD refused to play for 1 pretty good piece, solid if you will.

And who knows, with Al teaching him Armstrong may develop

• Link
• Report this comment

Does LD ever get any sleep? His eyes always look so tired…

• Link
• Report this comment

I hoped you all like my interview. Did you realized that I made sure to use UPSIDE at least once. Yep this team should go REALLY FAR now. Hinrich is BIG TIME point guard that we needed. I will miss Mike Bibby because he was IN HIS PRIME. Now when Marvin shows his UPSIDE and POTENTIAL we will get out of this slump. Remember fans, all seasons have PEAKS and VALLEYS. By making these trades we have now, we can build upon our MAJOR GOAL which is IMPROVEMENT each year. Hinrich keeps us as an ELITE team because ELITENESS (if that’s a word) is determined in the REGULAR SEASON not the PLAYOFFS.

• Link
• Report this comment

O’Brien,

Got an over/under for Joe’s FTAs?

• Link
• Report this comment

Hilton did have a 13 rebound game versus San Antonio and a 10 rebound game versus the Bulls earlier in the season.

• Link
• Report this comment

Sautee – I’m not O’Brien, but how about 3?

O’Brien – That’s because he stays up late watching of Twilight Zone reruns

• Link
• Report this comment

Must-win tonight

I have no doubt we win this game

JOE JOHNSON WHERE U AT

• Link
• Report this comment

“the all white player Hawk team of all time. I want to have a little fun with it, but starting from 00″ C- Collier F- Bowdler Gugliotta G- Sura PG Dickau bench Crawford, Maloney… that is all I can come up with.”

How could you possibly forget the immortal Hall of Famer John Edwards?

• Link
• Report this comment

Or art imitates life, or something like that.

• Link
• Report this comment

In other news, I was hoping the Thunder would beat the Magic tonight, but it looks like it won’t happen. Maybe Jeff Green was more important to them than everyone thought. Ibaka Flocka Flame fouled out in 18 minutes.

• Link
• Report this comment

Was Pete Maravitch Born in America?

• Link
• Report this comment

On the all white team – I’m assuming just ATL. How could you forget Bob Petit if not

• Link
• Report this comment

Teague will have his hands full with Curry tonight. Hopefully he will know when to force it, when to pass etc. And he needs to try his best to stay with his man, and not get called for reach-in fouls.

• Link
• Report this comment

Nique further showing his lack of knowledge of current players..

of Kirk.. “he’s a prototypical pg”

of Elllis.. “he’s (strong)..”

• Link
• Report this comment

‘Nique on Hinrich:

“He’s a prototypical point guard”

Seriously? Prototypical?

Good tough combo guard yes. Prototypical?

I don’t think so, ‘Nique.

• Link
• Report this comment

blogman – Same as Marvin, but way better than Bibby. 13.6 PER to 11.7 PER.

Face it. You hate whites and your post is racially motivated based on your posts from last night. Let’s talk Bball. Forget the other stuff.

• Link
• Report this comment

WTF?!! Why is the game blacked out im my area? WTF At&T!! Dammit!

• Link
• Report this comment

Come on Teague nail ole “Lateral Move” Hinrich to the bench. I know it will not happen even if you have 10 pts 5 assists in the 1st quarter because LD hates you and wants to keep making those peanuts for a couple of more years but we can hope. Show ole “Lateral Move” what he really is Teague, we love you Jeff.

• Link
• Report this comment

I have AT&T as well and the game is blacked out in my area too….WTH going on!!!

• Link
• Report this comment

Let’s go Teague. Prove the haters wrong.

• Link
• Report this comment

Najeh – Sorry, didn’t know.

Sautee – The scouting reports I’ve read almost all say Hinrich is a natural PG with an ability to play the 2. He played PG his 1st 3 years in College at Kansas, then the 2 his final year. He was drafted as a PG, played PG until Chris Duhon and thenDRose came along in Chitown etc. But they all say he is a natural PG who can play SG, not the other way around.

He averaged 6 + assists per game his first 5 seasons in the League.

• Link
• Report this comment

Yeah I have the streams to the game up but they’re not showing anything…..yet

atdhe not working but channelsurfing is:

http://www.channelsurf.eu/watch-nba-10.html

• Link
• Report this comment

the ball just isnt in the hands of the pg enough. yuck.

• Link
• Report this comment

god marvin sucks how many times will i type that this season.

• Link
• Report this comment

nice move by josh

• Link
• Report this comment

Blogman – In about 10 games when it’s apparent the Hawks made a good move, I hope you’ll be man enough to come on here and admit it. We could have traded for someone with purple skin and if he made the Hawks better, I’m all for it.

• Link
• Report this comment

Hi haters – josh smith.

• Link
• Report this comment

Teague is very active to start the game…

• Link
• Report this comment

It’s amazing how much better this team look with Teague on the floor.

• Link
• Report this comment

Sub Hinrich for Marvin right now…

• Link
• Report this comment

Teague already better than Bibby. I dont care what anyone says.

• Link
• Report this comment

damn josh calm down on these passes a minute.

• Link
• Report this comment

Terrell and Tremaine – Co-sign – Still can’t figure out why LD hated him

• Link
• Report this comment

i like the push from Jeff.. miss or not.. force the issue. eventually you’ll get calls..

• Link
• Report this comment

Obrien to answer ur 2nd question… Smoove

• Link
• Report this comment

Bibby was slowing this team down.

• Link
• Report this comment

Lee is an elite scorer at his position, we’ll see how much he scores for the game.

• Link
• Report this comment

Carlos,

The offensively challenge Josh Smith 8 of the Hawks 10 pts…

• Link
• Report this comment

I wish LD would let Teague start, and Hinrich be a beast off the bench. I could deal with Teague and Hinrich getting 20+ minutes, and letting Jamal get back to that 2 spot, and letting JJ get a little more burn at 3.

• Link
• Report this comment

Teague is starting

• Link
• Report this comment

Defense starts at the point of attack. Between Hinrich (notoriously a defender of pgs) and Teague (good defensive potential) we will be better. If Drew continues to play Jamal huge minutes at the point, we’ll suffer.

Overlook Hilton Armstrong if you want. He just brought athleticism to our group of backup bigs, which did not have it before. Dude is “end of the bench”, but could be more for us. You never know. Not a savior, but hopefully somebody worth re-signing at some point. Hope he becomes everything Powell/Zaza/Collins aren’t (and Etan…ehhh).

• Link
• Report this comment

Maybe the Hawks do go 0-3 versus the Bulls, but I like our chances alot more with Hinrich and Teague playing than Bibby and Mo’. Throw Wilkens in that playin’ mix to.

• Link
• Report this comment

“Al .. who gives to Josh.”

it isnt like he doesnt get touches.

• Link
• Report this comment

bs fouls right now.

• Link
• Report this comment

assert yourself Al..

• Link
• Report this comment

Wow! Look at Josh

• Link
• Report this comment

First look at the newbie.

• Link
• Report this comment

KIRK!!!!

• Link
• Report this comment

Not a bad first look.

• Link
• Report this comment

thats how you come in.. pulling..

• Link
• Report this comment

Welcome to Atlanta Hinrich.

• Link
• Report this comment

Online I have to listen to the Warriors broadcast. They just said every team would love to have an Al Horford on their roster.

• Link
• Report this comment

Hinrich sighting….

• Link
• Report this comment

Joe stop playing like bibby is still here.

• Link
• Report this comment

I like the fact that Josh has given up the ball 3 times after getting the rebound. That minimizes the risk of him turning it over…

• Link
• Report this comment

Atlanta’s tempo is SO much faster without Bibby… hopefully this will continue

• Link
• Report this comment

rathman stop riding nuts shamelessly.

• Link
• Report this comment

Kirrrrrkkkkkkk!!!

• Link
• Report this comment

I’m noticing Josh give up the ball immediately after a rebound. I wonder if it’s b/c Bibby use to walk the ball up the court so often…

• Link
• Report this comment

We must be feeling good if we bring JP in the game

• Link
• Report this comment

Sund is looking like a genius right now, didn’t know Kirk was this hard of a player

• Link
• Report this comment

dbag most if not all nba players have good and bad games.

• Link
• Report this comment

mine blacked out as well AT&T blaming SPSO

• Link
• Report this comment

I know its early, but I like it.

• Link
• Report this comment

Kirk looking pretty good out there!! Wow…Ref that was an offensive Foul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Taht guard banged into Kirk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope Kirk can stay healthy unlike Lue who could not…………………….

• Link
• Report this comment

Why LD wouldn’t play Bibby or Wilkens I’ll never know I guess. But if he’ll keep playing Teague now, and Hinrich, we gotta shot at making a run. I think Wilkens is solid off the bench also.

• Link
• Report this comment

FINALLY we can take advantage of having quick / athletic bigs by running. We are not a half court team because we don’t bang, but we sure can run the break now with Hinrich.

• Link
• Report this comment

Phew..had to do a quick reconnect of my DirecTV….What tha Heck going on with my Uverse…

• Link
• Report this comment

I noticed Kirk seems very confident in his game.
I noticed very sharp, crisp and fast ball passes from Kirk. It seems as if he wants to actually play the point!

He is bringing the ball up after each rebound. He demands the ball to initiate the offense. Not Josh’s job anymore?

• Link
• Report this comment

Steph Curry has a MILF

• Link
• Report this comment

like how Kirk was asking for the ball back from Josh after he had nothing..

but he made a great pass to Damien ..

• Link
• Report this comment

AND ancillary benefit of this trade- more time for Damien. Dude can play soem D. Mo Evans blew.

• Link
• Report this comment

is the game blacked out locally

• Link
• Report this comment

And back comes Teague?

• Link
• Report this comment

okay rubber hitting road

• Link
• Report this comment

lets go Jeff.

• Link
• Report this comment

Im loving Sund’s trade right now. Took away two of our biggest problems that slowed our offense down, Bibby and Mo, and gave us this tough new PG that has immediately changed our offense, and it’s his first game.

• Link
• Report this comment

Does Hinrich get the 2 foul rule too?

• Link
• Report this comment

OMG! Hawks look like a new team.

• Link
• Report this comment

Good quarter.

I know its the Warriors, but I like what I saw.

I think Drew should play it just as he did. Even once Hinrich gets acclimated, keep him coming off the bench with Crawford.

That punch off the bench makes our bench seem more formidable.

• Link
• Report this comment

WTF? Teague will not run a pick and roll correctly for nothing but he plays solid D. He has not given up a point. Hinrich has given up 4 pts, but he has 3.

• Link
• Report this comment

I like the way Teague is harassing Curry.

• Link
• Report this comment

Josh Powell Sighting!?

• Link
• Report this comment

Jeff picks up his dribble too soon

• Link
• Report this comment

When Teague get in the weight room, develop his jumper, and learns how to say no to his teammates he is going to be a problem.

• Link
• Report this comment

LD playing Wilkins now too!! Doing a good job balancing the line up tonight

• Link
• Report this comment

Uhhhh Oh

• Link
• Report this comment

PLZ…Teage is already a pain for other teams to guard. Give him a few more games and Sund will look like a Genuis.

• Link
• Report this comment

Jamal playing 2. No more point guard. Please walk it off Jeff. No please, NOT MARVIN

• Link
• Report this comment

He don’t look like he’s hurt too bad

• Link
• Report this comment

Teague has to learn to protect the ball by using his shoulders when driving to the lane..

• Link
• Report this comment

I have not seen a Hawk guard move and move the ball like this since Doc Rivers!

• Link
• Report this comment

nah@prison mike

…you’re giving too much credit to Marvin.

Teague’s limp looked like a normal guy who injured his ankle.

Marvin’s walk is that of an 84 year old great grand mother.

• Link
• Report this comment

lmfao @ mac

• Link
• Report this comment

bigdave,

I saw Marvin getting in the passing lane on offense as well…lol

• Link
• Report this comment

I’m not gonna crown their asses after one quarter. We have seen them come out like this and then melt down in the 2nd half.

I will say this though — it is really nice to have point guards who can move. Hinrich may not be a NUCLEAR ARM but he is pretty damn good, and I love his defensive effort.

• Link
• Report this comment

Like that Amundson, wish the Hawks had him

• Link
• Report this comment

bigdave since your watching it online please stop blogging about stuff thats 5 minutes late…

• Link
• Report this comment

WTF how many offensive boards does Horford have so far??

• Link
• Report this comment

This Udoh kid looks pretty good….

• Link
• Report this comment

I hope Armstrong takes Zaza’s minutes

• Link
• Report this comment

If Teague is smart he will WALK IT OFF! this could be Acie Law all over again! As soon as he gets an oopourtunity he gets injured! Smh!

• Link
• Report this comment

I just wish LD hadn’t ruined this otherwise great game so far by playing Powell. Could the Hawks really not have thrown Armstrong out there to see what he’s got?

• Link
• Report this comment

Regardless though, this does make us a better defensive team.

With Wilkins and Teague seeing more minutes, you see an upgrade.

With Hinrich replacing Bibby, you’ve got another gaurd who can defend.

• Link
• Report this comment

Marvin…

• Link
• Report this comment

because were up by a large margin and he needs to rest

• Link
• Report this comment

not having Bibby and his lag around should give the entire team a more upbeat feeling and attitude.

• Link
• Report this comment

northcyde,

It was Najeh. if nothing else, just to see once and for all, what teague can do. After all, its hard to judge him when he is playing almost exclusively with jamal, ZaZa, and one more bench player.

Teague finally gets some PT, and he twists his anke. Hopefully its not too serious.

• Link
• Report this comment

Same reason Kobe sat, when they got a big lead on us. You rest your starter when you can. Can you imagine him blowing a knee when we’re up 19? LD would get smashed

• Link
• Report this comment

Strickland was saying the same thing too…

• Link
• Report this comment

Jamal is really the only bad defender left in the rotation, unless LD insists on continuing to play Powell and/or Zaza.

I’ve said before that the Hawks can compensate for one bad defender; it’s only when they had two on the floor together that the Hawks couldn’t make up for it. With Bibby and Mo gone, Teague/Hinrich/Damien taking their minutes, and Zaza apparently falling out of the rotation, the Hawks’ defense overall should get a lot better, and hopefully this means less foul trouble for the starters too.

• Link
• Report this comment

why is josh sitting so long?

• Link
• Report this comment

another open look for marvin…

who does nothing with it.

• Link
• Report this comment

“if nothing else, just to see once and for all, what teague can do. After all, its hard to judge him when he is playing almost exclusively with jamal, ZaZa, and one more bench player. ”

Exactly. It’s real simple; when the passes he throws to Powell and Zaza in garbage time go to Smoove and Al instead, he’s going to rack up a lot more assists.

• Link
• Report this comment

Is that what happens with no teague and no Hinrich in the game?

if you’re LD, should you put Hinrich back in?

• Link
• Report this comment

put Hinrich in game. Now settling for jumpers

• Link
• Report this comment

An Acie Law sight. On the bench of course…

• Link
• Report this comment

“Najeh, I’m just happy to see my team look like they want to play basketball.”

Haha word.

• Link
• Report this comment

Lol, Crawford still can’t play defense, lol.

• Link
• Report this comment

Teague is back on the bench with a re-wrapped ankle, according to @HawksPRGuy.

• Link
• Report this comment

Why does LD have Jamal playing the point?!? Dammit man, put Kirk back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• Link
• Report this comment

SMH Ellis is destroying Jamal. Time to bring Hinrich in

• Link
• Report this comment

“Horford is really bringing the energy on the offensive boards tonight. This is a welcome change for the team. Horford always gives everything but LD is usually sending the Hawks back on defense instead of attacking the boards like they are tonight.”

To be fair, it is the Warriors. If they do the same thing against LaMarcus Aldridge and Nene it’ll be more impressive.

• Link
• Report this comment

Thank the Lord! Gettem JT!

• Link
• Report this comment

That’s why you limit Marvin’s minutes…

he’s good for nothing.

Can’t even knock down open looks.

• Link
• Report this comment

my goodness jamal is still in the game.

• Link
• Report this comment

Jamal is cold (missed his last 3 shots), and JJ is 1-6. What’s up with JJ? I thought he would have a big game tonight.

Meanwhile, as northcyde and vava will say, Jamal is usually in the middle of these runs the other team makes.

Dont you have to sacrifice Hinrich’s 3rd foul by putting him in?

• Link
• Report this comment

Josh is sitting bc he’s trying to bring the ball down court and shootn the 3!

• Link
• Report this comment

Joe makes over 200k per night avg 12-14 pts….Hawks letting em back with missed jump shots Marvina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Stop it DUCK….Go sit down Duck…………………..Man……………..

• Link
• Report this comment

Smoove has looked a lot more fluid in the post recently. Maybe partly a function of not going up against many great post defenders, but he’s made some moves in the last couple of weeks that I haven’t seen from him before.

Of course, the counter point to that is that he needs to spend more time there.

• Link
• Report this comment

There you go Teague.

• Link
• Report this comment

Nique just happy to see Josh get flattened.

• Link
• Report this comment

Nice flop Smoove.

• Link
• Report this comment

The Teague Party comes back in and has a nice contest on Ellis. Goodbye, run.

• Link
• Report this comment

Marvin: 1-7 against Phoenix, 2-6 tonight.

And JJ is struggling too. We need JJ to get going, because I dont want to rely on Jamal more than we have to

• Link
• Report this comment

REV Thx

• Link
• Report this comment

Joe that isnt Bibby.. Teague going to the rim on your post up..

• Link
• Report this comment

Sloppy.

• Link
• Report this comment

Teague

• Link
• Report this comment

teague is no acie lawless.

• Link
• Report this comment

Come on Marvin grow some Balls….Man…………..

• Link
• Report this comment

they just robbed j money a sportscenter highlight.

• Link
• Report this comment

I hate when fast breaks get called off because of 24 second violations. That’s something the NBA has to get fixed somehow.

• Link
• Report this comment

How long have Woodson and LD held this team back by starting Bibby?? It’s obvious that Teague should have been starting a loooonnnnggg time ago!

• Link
• Report this comment

Thanks for Jeff Teague for slowing down Monta before he took the lead by himself with Jamal on him, LMAO. Maybe that will by him a few more minutes before LD hides him like Bin Laden on the bench for nothing

• Link
• Report this comment

“The Teague Party”, I can dig it lmao!

• Link
• Report this comment

Haahahaahahahahahahaha

• Link
• Report this comment

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WTF DUCK

• Link
• Report this comment

quack attack

• Link
• Report this comment

Typical Duck.

Lose the ball by yourself.

And that’s another steal.

• Link
• Report this comment

marvin fingers are made out of straw. booty fingers.

• Link
• Report this comment

lol Marvin II!!! Thank you, goodbye Marvin!

• Link
• Report this comment

going to bed SPSO sucks

• Link
• Report this comment

I really believe (and hope) that this is Marvin last year in a Hawks uniform…

• Link
• Report this comment

all of a sudden we forcing turns..

• Link
• Report this comment

yea nique…the hawks can play defense when you got folks on the floor that are committed to playing def.

• Link
• Report this comment

THe Hawks defense looks completely different tonight.

• Link
• Report this comment

We actually acquired 2 pt guards at the deadline….Teague and Hinrich

• Link
• Report this comment

Please feathers…

fly away

• Link
• Report this comment

jjjoe joe my ninja.

• Link
• Report this comment

Great steal and score by Joe to end the half…

• Link
• Report this comment

Teague makes the whole team better especially defensively, just needs playing time to build his confidence.

• Link
• Report this comment

Wow, Stephen Curry’s first shot of the game. Can anyone say defense?

• Link
• Report this comment

Love it…

Good half.

Rejuvinated.

Hope to have more of a look at Hinrich in that 2nd half.

• Link
• Report this comment

We would be being torn apart right now by Curry and Monta if not for Hinrich and Teague

• Link
• Report this comment

If he’s playing like this, don’t you have to let Teague remain the starter, and bring Hinrich off of the bench?

• Link
• Report this comment

Yes, WE TRADED FOR TWO POINT GUARDS….LD I know this is GS, but this is the recipe. Don’t let Jamal play point. Also, start Teague, finisher Hinrich. Do like Andy Reid did, suck up pride and play the hot man. Wow, a point guard going to the paint and drawing a foul.

• Link
• Report this comment

hell Damien needs to smart… he seems to be the smarter player too..

• Link
• Report this comment

Teague leading the Hawks in +/- at the half with a +19

• Link
• Report this comment

ATL, can’t really say that, because the last time GS were in Atlanta, Curry and Ellis both had horrible games. They both were 4-13.

• Link
• Report this comment

“We actually acquired 2 pt guards at the deadline….Teague and Hinrich”

I co-sign on that MAC

• Link
• Report this comment

Golden State is a small team… our only problem now is playing against those bigger teams such as the Lakers and Magic… maybe Armstrong can help out there

• Link
• Report this comment

13pt/6reb/4ast

impact player.

• Link
• Report this comment

Ra’mon

February 25th, 2011
11:38 pm
If he’s playing like this, don’t you have to let Teague remain the starter, and bring Hinrich off of the bench?

I say that’s a better play for Drew anyways. At the least, Teague buys you minutes at the start of games. He’s not too bad quarterbacking the offense, so he wouldn’t be expected to put on an offensive display. He could simply run the offense, and let the scorers (JJ, Horford, Josh) do their thing.

With Hinrich and Jamal both coming off the bench, you have two solid threats to score, and you’re not completely lost defensively with Hinrich capable of applying pretty good defensive pressure.

I think the Hinrich deal just brings a lot more versatility to this team. Drew can do a lot more than he could before, but he has to play his cards right, and he can’t resort to what we saw before. Logging heavy minutes for JJ, Jamal, Hinrich and letting Teague rot. Teague’s capable of logging meaningful minutes.

• Link
• Report this comment

So nice to have perimeter defense and guys getting steals. Im with Melvin and hope this is Marvin’s last year. LD has to do a better job of yanking Jamal though. Ellis was having a field day out there.

• Link
• Report this comment

I am watching the game and thoroughly surprised. It is halftime and that “smoove” person has not done one “DUMB ASS”, play up to this point. He actually is playing with some sense and ISO is not pounding as of yet. The defense has been superb and it has been a pleasure to watch so far. Marvin has actually played a lil bit, one block, a few rebounds and a few points but still not the forceful entity he should be. I hope the next 2 quarters produce a win, I am so tired of bitching.

• Link
• Report this comment

Joe Al and Josh all played major minutes. It would be nice if the bench could hold it’s on for some of the second half.

• Link
• Report this comment

At the half….

worst half of Hawks that have played …of course Marvin at +1(why is he not glued to the bench)???
best half of Hawks that have played….Teague at +19

bye bye Bibby

• Link
• Report this comment

Bibby was too Lorenzen like. These guys look like they came to play tonight. It is the Warriors though. But still. And Teague outplaying Curry, just like I predicted. And yall wanted to trade Josh for Stephen. Gotta be out of yall damn minds.

• Link
• Report this comment

hawks v bulls is going to decide a lot for hawks

• Link
• Report this comment

I dare you guys jump on the Teague bandwagon. Haters!

• Link
• Report this comment

Last time I checked everyone had “given up on Teague”. lol! Just kidding people.

• Link
• Report this comment

bigdave,

With Howard playing like he did tonight, all he needs is 4 D-leaguers, LOL.

• Link
• Report this comment

Big Ray,

I’d LOVE to see Jamal’s minutes cut and have him playing the 2 exclusively.

• Link
• Report this comment

the greek team chill played for wouldn’t even take him.

• Link
• Report this comment

I DON’T WANT ANYBODY TALKING ABOUT TRADING JOSH…THE MINUTE HE’S TRADED, THAT’S WHEN THE LANE PARTS LIKE THE RED SEA!!! TEAMS WOULD HAVE A FIELD DAY DRIVING THE LANE…

• Link
• Report this comment

that just reminded me of how much im gonna miss all those mike bibby steals followed by a jam

• Link
• Report this comment

JT0!!!! Why wasn’t he starting again??

• Link
• Report this comment

STOP SHOOTING JUMPERS!!!!!

• Link
• Report this comment

Teague with the steal and slam!

• Link
• Report this comment

That trade looks a lot better when you say “Hinrich, Armstrong, and TEAGUE for Bibby/Mo/Jordan/1st”.

• Link
• Report this comment

I agree bd, horford can’t handle the thoroughbred power forwards one on one either.

• Link
• Report this comment

Poor Marvin.

• Link
• Report this comment

keep forcing the action Jeff hit or miss..

• Link
• Report this comment

Jeff was fouled.

• Link
• Report this comment

Teague with 2 steals this quarter. And although he missed a couple shots, Hawks were there for the rebound.

Meanwhile…Marvin is 2-6 in 14 minutes, and 3 turnovers.

If falling down was an NBA skill, Marvin would be an all-star

• Link
• Report this comment

Yeah Teague…a penetrating point guard, wow where has this been. See how a penetrating PG breaks the defense down and you can get easy put backs.

• Link
• Report this comment

LMFAO MARVIN

• Link
• Report this comment

Marvin, get that ISH outta here….SO WEAK!!

• Link
• Report this comment

cmon horf now.

• Link
• Report this comment

GS crowd is giving it to them…boooooooooooooooo

• Link
• Report this comment

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

• Link
• Report this comment

somebody do the dougie on these fools.

• Link
• Report this comment