Atlanta Hawks at Warriors: The new guys, plus Rick Sund

San Francisco–Caught up with the Hawks here this morning (tip: never, ever drive in this city) before heading to Oaktown. Here are some quick notes, followed by a Rick Sund Q and A,. . .

  • L.D. said Teague will start again tonight along with J.J., Marvin, Josh and Al. Hinrich will play, too. Hinrich and Armstrong met the team here last night. Drew said they put some tape down in the ballroom at the hotel and gave the players a crash course on the team’s concepts.
  • Drew expects Hinrich and Teague to push the Hawks to play faster: “We definitely have got to get the ball in to both guys’ hands. I thought Jeff did a good job in Phoenix of keeping the pressure on the defense and pushing it. Kirk has the same ability. He’s not as fast as Jeff but he still pushes the ball at a pace that forces other guys to keep up.”
  • Based on his initial impressions of Atlanta’s offense, Hinrich likes what he sees: “We have good players. Just put them in the right positions and play together, and we will be all right. I think the stuff we are going to do fits me and fits our team. The ball moves a lot. We’ve got good players who command double teams. It’s a team system and I’m excited to be a part of it.”
  • Drew on Armstrong: “I want a physicality when he’s on the floor. I want defensive rebounding. I want him to be athletic when he’s on the floor.”
  • Armstrong: “I just have to be aggressive. I can definitely help the team out with that. Play solid defense, talk, get up and be aggressive and hit the boards. Try to play my game and don’t do anything out of character.”
  • Both players said they are happy to leave a loser and join a playoff squad.

Now on to the interview with Sund:

Q. Before the deadline, you said you would only make trades that improve the team and wouldn’t make any lateral moves. In your view, how did this trade make the team better?

“Larry wanted to upgrade the point guard position, particularly defensively, and still try to be able to maintain the shooting that we had with Bibby’s presence out there. We looked at this deal and thought it made some sense. It was tough to let Jordan go in particular. I don’t mind so much the draft pick but we really like Jordan. He’s got a huge upside. It was difficult to get him minutes this year. He’s going to have a fine career. But at the end of the day, like with most teams in transition, you have got to give up a draft pick and/or young player to whet their appetite. So that’s what we did.”

Q. By trading Jordan and your first-round pick in 2011, does it signal a win-now approach as opposed to developing players for the future?

“We also have a pretty young team. We’ve got three starters that started opening night at 24. You still have Jeff in a backup capacity, where he should be a senior in college. He’s young. Then you’ve got a couple of players that are in their prime. Joe is in his prime, and so is Jamal and certainly Hinrich is in his prime. You look at the two teams in the championship last year in final game, of the 10 starters nine where in their 30s.”

Q. How much did uncertainty of labor situation affect your approach to making deals?

“Not a lot because nobody knows what the rules are going to be. To be very honest with you I was really surprised there were as many trades as there were. Somebody mentioned that since the season started there have been 24 trades of various sorts that you would consider semi-significant. You have the big trades like Carmelo; Deron was a huge trade. And there there were other semi-significant trades. That seems like a lot compared to other years. And I thought there wasn’t going to be a lot of trades.”

Q. Now that the smoke has cleared, how do you think your team stacks up in the East?

“We have to see it out. All year we have been basically playing for the fifth, fourth and third hole. And of those three teams, everybody goes through their highs and lows. We have had some highs–January in particular was a good month–and now we are in a slump. Miami had some slumps and then they went on a huge streak, and then they went back to a slump. Chicago seems to be like us last year. They are great at home and they are .500 on the road and so they are sort of where we were at this point last year going forward. You’ve got Boston who have an NBA championship and has three players who are headed to the Hall of Fame. Miami has got two players that have been battling for MVP of the league and three players who have made the All-Pro. Orlando has an MVP candidate this year in Dwight. And you have Chicago who has an MVP this year in Derrick Rose. And then you have Atlanta that has two players that made the All-Star team. I thought it was ironic in LA they interviewed Kobe and he said, ‘Well, I feel like I am playing Boston, Miami and Atlanta [because nine East All-Stars are from those teams]. Also the Knicks are going to be no picnic if you have to play them and Philly can surprise you. It’s up to the players now, I think, on all of the teams. March and April are the home stretch and it’s up to the players and how they are going to respond to it and how they are going to respond in the playoffs. It’s a challenge for us, certainly. It’s as challenge and an opportunity at the same time.”

Deep thoughts

At last check, the (completely unscientific) blog poll asking whether this trade was good or bad for the Hawks was running about 50-50. I haven’t looked at all of your 1,600 or so comments from the last couple of days (thanks much for reading, blog people) but I think I can take a decent stab at the reasoning of the differing perspectives.

I’m guessing most in the “good” camp like the trade because they think the team is better now. Hinrich is a better player than Bibby. He’s a better defender, comparable shooter and should be able to diversify the offense by running pick-and-rolls. JC2 could become a good player but he’s not part of the plans now so off he goes.

I’m guessing most of those in the “bad” camp don’t like the trade because, even if it makes the team better now, it doesn’t improve the Hawks enough to give them a good chance at beating the elite teams in the playoffs. So why make a deal like this while sending away a young player and a pick, sacrificing the future while doubling down on this “core” group that may not take the Hawks where they want to go?

I think the views in both camps are reasonable. I also know that we can’t see the future. The Hawks should be better with Hinrich instead of Bibby, both from tangible and intangible standpoints. I understand if you don’t believe they will be good enough, but let’s see what happens.

Sund said declined to comment on trade scenarios that didn’t happen, including whether he tried to get in on any of the major deals by dangling any players from Atlanta’s “core” group. From what I’m hearing the Hawks did try to get in on some of those discussions but didn’t get very far.

If you are upset the Hawks couldn’t make a splashier deal then realize it takes assets like expiring contracts, productive players with reasonable contracts, young players with potential and draft picks. The Hawks don’t have much of any of those because of decisions made in the past, so those should be the focus of your ire if you don’t like this trade. I can’t speak accurately on what deals they may or may not have offered (or turned down) for their “core” players so it’s hard to evaluate those hypothetical scenarios.

In any event, the Hawks have 25 games against a tough schedule to figure out what they are about. From my perspective, at least, it should be interesting.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

796 comments Add your comment

Worldwide Clyde

February 26th, 2011
12:49 am

Good game tonight. Teague and Hinrich looked good.

Big Ray

February 26th, 2011
12:49 am

Wabe , co-sign again…

DNP for Zaza. Hmmm….keep an eye on this story…

Najeh Davenpoop

February 26th, 2011
12:50 am

“got rid of dead weight mo evans, mike bibby, and a rookie we dont use…
to get kirk Hinrich… which looks good so far…”

He created that dead weight, and Marvin and Zaza are still eating $12 million of the Hawks’ cap. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. This trade canceled out his prior mistake of giving Bibby a 3 year deal.

Teague does look like he could be Sund’s first good draft pick in the last 10 years though. He better continue to get consistent minutes.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

February 26th, 2011
12:50 am

Good Points icecold

cp

February 26th, 2011
12:50 am

From now on im calling Marvin “Big Sorry”

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
12:50 am

^ We agree to disagree myk. Teague is due. Teague is a Rondo-type of guard just give him time to get comfortable. He cant learn sitting on the pine. ALL Starting PGs got trown in there at some point.

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
12:51 am

Worldwide Clyde

February 26th, 2011
12:52 am

Marvin and Zaza should be on the trading block

prison mike

February 26th, 2011
12:52 am

We were suppose to sign wes matthews with the full mle and immediately renounce joe. Would have been BETTER off.

Section 303

February 26th, 2011
12:52 am

Sucky ending, but they won. Almost forgot what it was like to see these guys win. Going into a couple of tougher neighborhoods Sunday and Monday, though.

Just a matter of time before Hinrich replaces Teague as starter. Teague is just not good.

Hope Josh saved some of those jumpers for Portland & Denver.

Wabe

February 26th, 2011
12:52 am

I think it’s a positive sign that Drew did clock him a solid number of minutes, and he also didn’t have him sit out the rest of the game on the bench.

He also showed confidence (at least IMO) by getting him right back in there after twisting his ankle when it looked like Monte was about to take over. Drew could’ve gone back to Hinrich, who had 2 fouls already, but went with Teague instead.

Nobody’s raving about his offensive game, but, he offers a skill set that’s more suitable for the roster we have. We have a young athletic team, and it didn’t make sense to have a old slow PG running with that group. We need a guy whose gonna push the rock, and if we’re caught in the halfcourt, someone whose gonna quarterback the offense – not someone whose just gonna hand it off to JJ or Jamal and let them go one on one.

Rondo doesn’t always put up the best stat lines, but sometimes his effect – controlling the tempo and directing the offense – is the most important aspect to the C’s.

I think it could be very similar here. Teague may not have a glamourous offensive game, but he does offer this team things that no PG in recent memory has been capable of offering. He may not score 20 a night, but he won’t give up 20 freebies to opposing PG’s either. He’ll make guys work for it.

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
12:54 am

“Jamal was 3-10, teague was 2-9, and marvin was 2-7. Horrible…

last 2 games Marvin is 3-14 from the field. Maybe Jamal’s slump is contagious…”

Just goes to show that defense Wins!

…A lil Horf and Smoove help as well lol.

Tremaine

February 26th, 2011
12:54 am

The whole point of starting Teague is to get him ready.

Wabe

February 26th, 2011
12:56 am

And Hinrich’s what I expected he’d be, but I didn’t envision looking quite as nice as it does. Probably because I’m so used to seeing our gaurds let opposing gaurds blow right past them.

As Najeh pointed out, we can make up for one bad defender. But, it’s difficult trying to make up for 2 bad defenders. Hinrich’s addition instantly upgrades our perimeter defense.

And I bet the two happiest guys are Al Horford and Josh Smith. They actually have gaurds who aren’t letting guys run free into the lane.

Tremaine

February 26th, 2011
12:56 am

The guys that are complaining about Teague obviously didn’t watch the entire game and are just looking at stats.

Freshfromatl

February 26th, 2011
12:57 am

ICECOLD,

I gotta agree with you about Rick Sund.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 26th, 2011
12:58 am

2/9 is fine with me if the opposing backcourt is going to shoot 9/28. That was not an accident. Teague played lights out on D, and the more time he gets with the starters the more his O will improve.

cp

February 26th, 2011
12:59 am

Teague did not have a good game offensively although I thought he got fouled on two shot attempts but defensively he harassed Curry all night. When he was on Ellis he made him work hard too. Had 6 dimes and 3 steals. His defense lead to offense. Dude will be alright as a starter but he has to work on the offensive end.

Rufus1

February 26th, 2011
1:00 am

Playing faster….The Teague effect

I think the Hawks played faster tonight, even in their offensive sets…

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
1:00 am

This was a FAST and INTENSE game! Whew!

Wabe

February 26th, 2011
1:01 am

Again though, if this team shored up the 3-spot, this team would be capable of so much more.

Marvin Williams needs to be replaced, ASAP.

Imagine if the Hawks could’ve added a guy like Battier…

A guy who can knock down the open looks (and Marvin sees plenty of those) and someone who can play solid defense.

superiorblogman

February 26th, 2011
1:01 am

Summary

Teague played well defensively and got the 1st units into sets. He slowed down Monta Ellis when he threatened to erase a 19 pt lead by himself. He really still does not understand when to attack and when not. It is disturbing that he gets stripped so much going to the rack.

Hinrich played good defensively and can make shots with the first team but he also had a disturbing turnover where a big man stripped him when he was trying to run the pick and roll. He was on the court when Golden State cut a 30 pt lead down to 11 or 12. He looks no better than Teague did when coming off the bench to be fair.

Next, good game all around for the Hawks, but I still say Hinrich was a lateral move with the potential to go really downhill if Jordan is as good as some think he will be, plus Teague can do the job defensively. Also, Mo was a bigger part than some give credit for and our bench sucks arse bad.

Looked good tonight but we are not going anywhere with this team when we don’t have a single big that demands playing time off the bench, that was a bigger problem than PG because we had Teague.

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
1:04 am

Yes, The teague doubters will be quieted soon enough. Teague deserves that starting spot and he’s holding it down quite well.

Wabe

February 26th, 2011
1:04 am

superiorblogman

February 26th, 2011
1:01 am

“Looked good tonight but we are not going anywhere with this team when we don’t have a single big that demands playing time off the bench…”

Can defintely buy that.

Rufus1

February 26th, 2011
1:05 am

“He may not score 20 a night, but he won’t give up 20 freebies to opposing PG’s either. He’ll make guys work for it.”

@Wabe

That is all we have been saying all year….

Najeh Davenpoop

February 26th, 2011
1:06 am

” It is disturbing that he gets stripped so much going to the rack”

This is true. This is the one aspect of his game tonight I didn’t like. He has to finish better when he gets inside. I liked the play he made on Acie late in the 2nd, when he drove against him, jumped into him, and drew the foul. Considering that nobody else on this team can do that, it would be nice if Teague could do it more often.

mykhalc

February 26th, 2011
1:07 am

@Booo!…all i can say is i hope you are right!!! he reminded me of Acie!!! cross half court, give the ball up!!! that aint gonna cut it!!!

Rufus1

February 26th, 2011
1:09 am

3rd start for Teague..

Imagine what he and the Hawks would be, if this was his 50th. Steph Curry took 3 shots…

ICECOLD

February 26th, 2011
1:11 am

More about Rick Sunds

He tried to get of Zaza and I think Marvin out of here too…

He also got rid of
Morris (dead weight)
Mario West ( no offense )
Soloman Jones
Salim Stadimire
Anthony Johnson
Tyrone Lue
acie law
speedy claxton
mo evans
and others that i cant remember i think!!!

if some how he gets somebody to take Marvin Williams and zaza for any type of decent players, i say he has done a good job!!!

the Hawks gon be alright.. better to take it slow and steady.. then rush it like all other teams are doing

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
1:12 am

mykhalc, I agree he still defers a little too much but his defense and ability to put pressure on the opposins teams D with his speed makes him WAY better than Acie (a better Jumper as well….although its funky looking). It took Rondo a while to find his place offensively, If LD just stays consistant with the minutes, he will be a force to be reckond with in the playoffs.

W.R.Terrell

February 26th, 2011
1:22 am

Sur….prise…..Sur….prise……Sur….prise. The “SOFT’S” actually looked like a basketball team. That “smoove” person did the dummy thing only twice, I was amazed and ISO didn’t “POUND” as much as usual, but, that Marvin is pitiful. He needs to eat his veggies. Jeff may be getting some confidence and finding his way around the floor. It was fun to be on the winning side again and Kirk is more then likely going to be somewhat beneficial but they are still to “SOFT” to beat the teams they will have to in order to make a run for the playoffs. I can’t jump up and down for joy because the warriors are defenseless but at least we executed a lot of the plays. The last quarter was not that refreshing but baby steps first. Beat the teams you should beat and play the other teams hard.

Booo!

February 26th, 2011
1:30 am

“He has probably gotten down a little but but I really think the trade is going to do him some good,” Drew said before the game. “As I told him, I wasn’t giving up on him even after I made the trade. I still look at him as a guy that can help this ball club and under no circumstances have I given up on him.”

We shall see LD, we shall see.

northcyde

February 26th, 2011
1:39 am

LOL @ praising Sund. Because Teague played a B game vs Golden St and a vet like Hinrich isn’t garbage?

Come on now.

As for Teague, the most important thing he did tonight was to make his presence known in the game. We can’t have him going 2 – 9 every night, but if he can defend and push the tempo to get the starters easier shots, he’s doing his job.

One thing about it, we’re going to face some pretty good PGs in the coming days:

- Andre Miller
- Derrick Rose
- Russell Westbrook
- Chauncey Billups

For both Teague and Hinrich, it’ll be baptism by fire. If they don’t let those 4 guys have their way, we may be onto something.

Shake Something

February 26th, 2011
1:40 am

I’m satisfied with Hinrich bcuz he brought exactly what I was expecting on the perimeter D and knocked a few shots down..2 early fouls and his nagging calf injury held him back from being more effective with the core rotational guys.Kinda wish Hilton got some burn during the game,but nice to see Powell get some, and knock some shots down and grabbed 8 rebounds..Better competition is coming up so we need to play like the first 3 QTRs and not the last QTR

Jae Evolution

February 26th, 2011
2:13 am

I think aside from his two three pointers which, all of Teague’s shots came from within the paint, not to mention one of those attempts he got hacked but he gets no respect yet. I’m not mad he is doing everything I thought he would, limited offensively but able to push tempo and create easy shots for others. All in all I’m not ready to put him in the starting lineup YET, but I think he will start the next couple games as Kirk gets adjusted which is fine by me.

RA

February 26th, 2011
7:13 am

Anyway hat you slice it or dice it, Atlanta’s back court shut down one of the premier guard tandems in the NBA, in their own building. Now, you can say what you want about individual efforts in this game, but the truth of the matter is that the Hawks as a team showed a level of agression that I haven’t seen in them since they played the Boston Celtics…last season! They were on a seek and destroy mission last night and it started at the defensive end. If they bring that level of commitment to defense every night (which is possible), they’ll be okay for the rst of the season.

As for Teague. He may realize it, he might not, but he’s playing for his Atlanta Hawks life. Sund has a penchant for trading point guards that don’t produce…

Banks

February 26th, 2011
1:20 pm

Question for the knowlegable Bloggers. Why did Marvin play 30+ min against a team with awful defense and score 4 points. I am confused I thought he was good. Can someone please help me?

Banks

February 26th, 2011
1:23 pm

MC when you talk to Marvin what does he say is the reason for his inconsistent play and how does the trade effect his minutes

tyger

February 26th, 2011
2:13 pm

No conclusion from last night…

There’s really nothing gained from last night, except maybe a little lost pride.
The Warriors were so over-matched that you couldn’t tell if Hawks were better or not.
Neither Teague nor Heinrich hurt us, but couldn’t tell if they helped us.
Would have like to have seen Armstrong get a few minutes earlier.
Portland and Denver are a challenge, so let’s see what our new look is made of.

kaminari

February 26th, 2011
2:15 pm

Something special is brewing. But Teague has to be the starter.

The Game Has Changed

February 26th, 2011
3:11 pm

Yo Banks, I have no clue why the coach loves M. Williams so much. He is killing us. He needs to take a back seat to D.Wilkins and Powell. They are more productive. And for everyone else reading this. Leave Joe Johnson along. No one is complaining to the Bucks for paying M.Redd 50 million over 3 years and he has only played in 36 games. Top 5 shooting anyday

slimjr

February 26th, 2011
7:37 pm

“its was a terrible #2 Lottery pick” Marvin Williams maybe done! Stick a fork in his soft butt!!!

He is now officially an WNBA MVP Candidate!………………………………….Yawn..
I’d draft Candice Parker over his lazy azz….LOL…………..A Bust……………….Sad……Could of had DWILL…………………………………….Shizzle………………….

slimjr

February 26th, 2011
7:39 pm

Joe you got put in at least 25pts. per night for 200K!!!! Crazy…………………………….

slimjr

February 26th, 2011
7:43 pm

“Question for the knowlegable Bloggers. Why did Marvin play 30+ min against a team with awful defense and score 4 points. I am confused I thought he was good. Can someone please help me?”

Where are you “it was a great pick”? We have not heard from you in a couple of weeks now?? Your boy Marvin career is tanking fast!! Whats wrong with Marvin.. Did he get dumped by his best friend or something????

kiera

February 27th, 2011
12:41 am

First of all i will miss Mike cause he was my favorite player. He will be missed. Now Kirk he is pretty good from what i seen at the warriors vs. Hawks game i think he can bring liveness back to the hawks. Go Hawks!!!!!!

W.R.Terrell

February 27th, 2011
2:39 pm

Portland is 33-25 and may be a lot better with Wallace in the mix. Personally I think the “SOFT’S” should handle them but that takes thinking for a few players. ISO Joe does not need to POUND, That “smoove” person should live on the free throw line tonight and not at the 3 point line. Larry needs to take a good look at Hilton for defensive purposes and Jeff Teague should start. How else will he be able to know what he can do with bigger or stronger players if he is not in the mix. I hope LD does not kill this kids confidence. Let’s see if they are learning anything or if they remain the Atlanta “SOFT’S”