Atlanta Hawks at Warriors: The new guys, plus Rick Sund

San Francisco–Caught up with the Hawks here this morning (tip: never, ever drive in this city) before heading to Oaktown. Here are some quick notes, followed by a Rick Sund Q and A,. . .

  • L.D. said Teague will start again tonight along with J.J., Marvin, Josh and Al. Hinrich will play, too. Hinrich and Armstrong met the team here last night. Drew said they put some tape down in the ballroom at the hotel and gave the players a crash course on the team’s concepts.
  • Drew expects Hinrich and Teague to push the Hawks to play faster: “We definitely have got to get the ball in to both guys’ hands. I thought Jeff did a good job in Phoenix of keeping the pressure on the defense and pushing it. Kirk has the same ability. He’s not as fast as Jeff but he still pushes the ball at a pace that forces other guys to keep up.”
  • Based on his initial impressions of Atlanta’s offense, Hinrich likes what he sees: “We have good players. Just put them in the right positions and play together, and we will be all right. I think the stuff we are going to do fits me and fits our team. The ball moves a lot. We’ve got good players who command double teams. It’s a team system and I’m excited to be a part of it.”
  • Drew on Armstrong: “I want a physicality when he’s on the floor. I want defensive rebounding. I want him to be athletic when he’s on the floor.”
  • Armstrong: “I just have to be aggressive. I can definitely help the team out with that. Play solid defense, talk, get up and be aggressive and hit the boards. Try to play my game and don’t do anything out of character.”
  • Both players said they are happy to leave a loser and join a playoff squad.

Now on to the interview with Sund:

Q. Before the deadline, you said you would only make trades that improve the team and wouldn’t make any lateral moves. In your view, how did this trade make the team better?

“Larry wanted to upgrade the point guard position, particularly defensively, and still try to be able to maintain the shooting that we had with Bibby’s presence out there. We looked at this deal and thought it made some sense. It was tough to let Jordan go in particular. I don’t mind so much the draft pick but we really like Jordan. He’s got a huge upside. It was difficult to get him minutes this year. He’s going to have a fine career. But at the end of the day, like with most teams in transition, you have got to give up a draft pick and/or young player to whet their appetite. So that’s what we did.”

Q. By trading Jordan and your first-round pick in 2011, does it signal a win-now approach as opposed to developing players for the future?

“We also have a pretty young team. We’ve got three starters that started opening night at 24. You still have Jeff in a backup capacity, where he should be a senior in college. He’s young. Then you’ve got a couple of players that are in their prime. Joe is in his prime, and so is Jamal and certainly Hinrich is in his prime. You look at the two teams in the championship last year in final game, of the 10 starters nine where in their 30s.”

Q. How much did uncertainty of labor situation affect your approach to making deals?

“Not a lot because nobody knows what the rules are going to be. To be very honest with you I was really surprised there were as many trades as there were. Somebody mentioned that since the season started there have been 24 trades of various sorts that you would consider semi-significant. You have the big trades like Carmelo; Deron was a huge trade. And there there were other semi-significant trades. That seems like a lot compared to other years. And I thought there wasn’t going to be a lot of trades.”

Q. Now that the smoke has cleared, how do you think your team stacks up in the East?

“We have to see it out. All year we have been basically playing for the fifth, fourth and third hole. And of those three teams, everybody goes through their highs and lows. We have had some highs–January in particular was a good month–and now we are in a slump. Miami had some slumps and then they went on a huge streak, and then they went back to a slump. Chicago seems to be like us last year. They are great at home and they are .500 on the road and so they are sort of where we were at this point last year going forward. You’ve got Boston who have an NBA championship and has three players who are headed to the Hall of Fame. Miami has got two players that have been battling for MVP of the league and three players who have made the All-Pro. Orlando has an MVP candidate this year in Dwight. And you have Chicago who has an MVP this year in Derrick Rose. And then you have Atlanta that has two players that made the All-Star team. I thought it was ironic in LA they interviewed Kobe and he said, ‘Well, I feel like I am playing Boston, Miami and Atlanta [because nine East All-Stars are from those teams]. Also the Knicks are going to be no picnic if you have to play them and Philly can surprise you. It’s up to the players now, I think, on all of the teams. March and April are the home stretch and it’s up to the players and how they are going to respond to it and how they are going to respond in the playoffs. It’s a challenge for us, certainly. It’s as challenge and an opportunity at the same time.”

Deep thoughts

At last check, the (completely unscientific) blog poll asking whether this trade was good or bad for the Hawks was running about 50-50. I haven’t looked at all of your 1,600 or so comments from the last couple of days (thanks much for reading, blog people) but I think I can take a decent stab at the reasoning of the differing perspectives.

I’m guessing most in the “good” camp like the trade because they think the team is better now. Hinrich is a better player than Bibby. He’s a better defender, comparable shooter and should be able to diversify the offense by running pick-and-rolls. JC2 could become a good player but he’s not part of the plans now so off he goes.

I’m guessing most of those in the “bad” camp don’t like the trade because, even if it makes the team better now, it doesn’t improve the Hawks enough to give them a good chance at beating the elite teams in the playoffs. So why make a deal like this while sending away a young player and a pick, sacrificing the future while doubling down on this “core” group that may not take the Hawks where they want to go?

I think the views in both camps are reasonable. I also know that we can’t see the future. The Hawks should be better with Hinrich instead of Bibby, both from tangible and intangible standpoints. I understand if you don’t believe they will be good enough, but let’s see what happens.

Sund said declined to comment on trade scenarios that didn’t happen, including whether he tried to get in on any of the major deals by dangling any players from Atlanta’s “core” group. From what I’m hearing the Hawks did try to get in on some of those discussions but didn’t get very far.

If you are upset the Hawks couldn’t make a splashier deal then realize it takes assets like expiring contracts, productive players with reasonable contracts, young players with potential and draft picks. The Hawks don’t have much of any of those because of decisions made in the past, so those should be the focus of your ire if you don’t like this trade. I can’t speak accurately on what deals they may or may not have offered (or turned down) for their “core” players so it’s hard to evaluate those hypothetical scenarios.

In any event, the Hawks have 25 games against a tough schedule to figure out what they are about. From my perspective, at least, it should be interesting.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

796 comments Add your comment

ATL FAN

February 26th, 2011
12:19 am

Hinrich actually might have been one of the better options now that I think about it… We didn’t have to give up very much and we got a player that can defend both guard positions, a solid spot up shooter and a solid PG. Good deal Sund

terrell

February 26th, 2011
12:19 am

Tremaine, he’s that Russian guy on the bench making 4 mill a year. lol!

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
12:19 am

Big Ray – I hear you. But I still say it was more LD’s fault than Sund’s. Last I checked, Sund does not do rotations. And my point all along was JT will never develop on the bench, Jamal was out of place playing so much point.

Did you ever see LD give Teague a chance at starting? I rest my case

Melvin

February 26th, 2011
12:20 am

We want Hilton. We want Hilton…

Tremaine

February 26th, 2011
12:20 am

Teague is only going to get better folks. Glad we didn’t trade him yesterday.

terrell

February 26th, 2011
12:21 am

Still cant believe Bibby and Mo were taking Teague and Damiens minutes.

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
12:21 am

Great athletic PG on an athletic team, sitting on the bench behind a slow vet. Made no sense to me. Develop the kid. Maybe LD will now, but I still don’t trust him. I think he just likes vets to the detriment of the team plain and simple. Hope he proves me wrong

prison mike

February 26th, 2011
12:22 am

hilton is arguably worse than etan the poet.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

February 26th, 2011
12:22 am

This trade worked for everybody. We get 2 pt guards (Teague and Hinrich) better than our last, Damien gets more PT, and Zaza gets more time to do what he really loves, working at his restaurant and worrying about fashion. Such a diva.

O'Brien

February 26th, 2011
12:22 am

23 minutes, 4 points, 3 rebounds, 4 turnovers for marvin…

terrell

February 26th, 2011
12:22 am

Sund told LD, “Im trading Bibby’s old azz, and you better start playing the pg I drafted for your church suit wearing butt.” lol!

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
12:23 am

Man, we can’t even bring in JC2. Not that LD would

Tremaine

February 26th, 2011
12:23 am

SteveW- I agree 100%.

terrell

February 26th, 2011
12:24 am

Marvin is just sad. The curse continues. Fouling before the inbound. Wow!

prison mike

February 26th, 2011
12:24 am

you no drew has a closet full of steve harvey collection.

Tremaine

February 26th, 2011
12:24 am

Now if we can get rid of Marvin and Dominique.

Big Ray

February 26th, 2011
12:25 am

Big Ray thinks hes so cool typing in Bold LOL

No, Ray forgot to take the bold off…

terrell

February 26th, 2011
12:25 am

Can we waive Marvin and Zaza?

Tremaine

February 26th, 2011
12:25 am

LD can we see what this Armstrong guy can do?

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
12:26 am

O’Brien – You missed JJ’s over/under FT big time

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
12:26 am

Big Ray – Makes me feel better. I wondered if I deserved the bold letter treatment or something

O'Brien

February 26th, 2011
12:27 am

Teague has played better these last 2 games. but I hope fans dont get carried away.

He is still a second year player who would have been a senior in college this year, and he played sparingly last year. he will have his bad games where he makes rookie mistakes.

But LD needs to not give up on him when those days come along…

Wabe

February 26th, 2011
12:27 am

terrell

February 26th, 2011
12:21 am
“Still cant believe Bibby and Mo were taking Teague and Damiens minutes.”

Co-sign.

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
12:27 am

Sit Marvin and whoever else – I want to see Etan and Hilton!

terrell

February 26th, 2011
12:27 am

How many points would Curry have if Bibby was still around?

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
12:28 am

O’Brien – And his stat sheet is nothing to write home about. But we all know his impact was alot bigger than his stat line. But he and Al did have the best +/-

Melvin

February 26th, 2011
12:28 am

where is Pape?

O'Brien

February 26th, 2011
12:29 am

Steve W,

yes I did. he hasnt been to the line at all tonight…

Can we trade Dominique please? i wonder if he is on the ASG’s payroll, so they have to find a job for him that keeps him out the way, so they give him the analyst job.

After all, he did say Marvin would be a once in a 10 year type of talent

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
12:29 am

Man Damien is playing tough

Wabe

February 26th, 2011
12:29 am

O’Brien,

I think we’ve all seen enough out of Teague to say he’s definitely a pretty solid rotational peice. But, I’m wondering if Drew’s seen enough. I want to see where Teague’s minutes go once Hinrich is fully acclimated.

Jae Evolution

February 26th, 2011
12:29 am

Powell has possibly the best mid-range shot on this team.

Wabe

February 26th, 2011
12:30 am

And Marvin Williams, you are terrible.

Melvin

February 26th, 2011
12:30 am

LD, stop trying to play match up. You are up 25pts in the 4th qtr. Put Hilton and the other bench players in the game.

bigdave

February 26th, 2011
12:30 am

dumb player that Marvin.

terrell

February 26th, 2011
12:30 am

Another Turnover for Marvin Gaye Williams.

Tremaine

February 26th, 2011
12:30 am

Wow Marvin suck so bad.

Big Ray

February 26th, 2011
12:30 am

SteveW ,

Your case is quite strong, you sure don’t need to prove it to me. I’ve argued for more minutes for Teague for a long time. Northcyde used to give me some pretty good $hit for it, but I understood what he was saying.

To better clarify my point, I blame Drew for falling victim to the “we’ll have to win with offense, not defense” philosophy, which meant Bibby and Jamal were the guys at the pg spot. I’m not saying I agree completely with that concept, but I am saying that I understand why.

The reason I blame Sund is because I felt we could have gotten Hinrich a year or two ago. But that’s just me talking, I don’t know the real details behind all the moves in the League.

As for Teague, he still really needs to work on his offense, i.e. shooting/scoring. He gets blocked a lot when he goes to the basket, and he doesn’t shoot from the perimeter impressively or even average.

Having said that, if LD reverts to a system where Hinrich and Jamal dominate the pg position again, I’ll happily join you in the “beat LD over the head with a wooden stick” campaign.

I hope he doesn’t. Or I’ll be ordering up a batch of shirts from Clyde. You can imagine what they’ll say.

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
12:30 am

Uh-oh, We’re playin’ small. Don’t need to let them back in it with the offensive glass

prison mike

February 26th, 2011
12:31 am

we are going to bench zazas monkey ass until next seasons deadline, might as well.

bigdave

February 26th, 2011
12:31 am

whats up w/ Kirk’s handles?

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
12:32 am

Get Marvin off the court and bring in ZaZa – we need another big

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
12:32 am

bigdave – calf strain

Tremaine

February 26th, 2011
12:32 am

Guys Teague just need to get in the weight room.

cp

February 26th, 2011
12:33 am

smh Marvin cant even shine against the Warriors second unit

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
12:33 am

They’re makin’ a run. Change the lineup LD

Najeh Davenpoop

February 26th, 2011
12:34 am

“that just reminded me of how much im gonna miss all those mike bibby steals followed by a jam”

LMAO

Amazing to see a Hawks team that can actually be accurately described as “athletic”, unlike the Bibby- and Lue-anchored Hawks of the past few years. The best thing about this trade may be Teague’s ascent into the rotation.

O'Brien

February 26th, 2011
12:34 am

Marvin has more turnovers (5) than fouls.

Marvin has more fouls (3) than rebounds (2).

That’s pretty bad.

SteveW

February 26th, 2011
12:34 am

Tremaine – You do know Teague is extremely strong? 12 bench reps at the combine to 5 for Earl Clark

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

February 26th, 2011
12:34 am

Melvin

February 26th, 2011
12:34 am

Wow, nice reverse layup by Josh….