Atlanta Hawks: Suns 105, Hawks 97

Phoenix–The news of the trade shouldn’t overshadow the fact that the Hawks are suddenly reeling. That’s three straight Ls and five of six with Golden State (tough matchup), Portland (tough team) and Denver (tough building even without Melo) still to go on this trip.

  • Zaza was held out as the Hawks continued trade discussions. I’m thinking any swap would be big for big but no word yet on the details of the teams/players involved.
  • But first some more reaction to the trade that did go down. . . .
  • L.D. said the Hawks had been calling around on point guards for the last couple weeks.
  • “As everybody knows we’ve been searching for a point guard for a while, somebody who can come in and run this club,” he said. “Not saying that Mike didn’t go a good job, but there just comes a point where a change has to take place. We as an organization felt like it was that time.”
  • L.D. on Hinrich: “Kirk brings such a wealth of toughness at that position. He’s a heady guy, he’s a smart guy. All the intangibles you are looking for he brings to the table.”
  • Jamal: “It’s tough to tell now [how the trade will work]. Mike was the leader at point guard for a while. Jordan has a bright future. Mo is just solid, gives you defense and 3-point shooting. But I played with Kirk Hinrich [in Chicago] and I know what he’s about.”
  • Bibby was a popular teammate. He has a goofy personality and saw it as his job to keep the team loose (though I think the Hawks could end up benefiting from Hinrich’s more serious approach).
  • It’s a business, of course, but there was a real sense of personal loss in Atlanta’s locker room.
  • “Any time you make trades, it’s always tough, especially when you grow close and attached to players,” Drew said. “But that’s just the nature of this business. It just comes with the territory.”
  • Bibby, Mo and JC2 were informed they might be part of a trade and stayed behind at the team’s hotel. Word trickled through the rest of the team but players weren’t told of the pending deal until just before game time
  • Al: “It’s just tough for us right before the game to get this news. It’s kind of not unexpected since we’d heard but to hear it just actually happened . . .”
  • Joe: “We let three good guys go who I had become really good friends with. But at the same time we understand the business aspect and this is the profession we chose knowing that trades happen. You have to deal with it. Getting Kirk and Armstrong is definitely going to contribute to what we are trying to do. Kirk is very defensive-minded and a guy who can really knock down the open shot and penetrate and make plays for others as well. I think he is going to be beneficial for us.”
  • Moving Jordan and the first-round pick is the latest indication the Hawks, when push comes to shove, are more focused on making moves they think will help now vs. player and asset development in the future. I’m sure opinions vary on that approach among my blog people but, as I always say, the Hawks will be judged on what happens this postseason.
  • Al: “Jordan, as short as time he was here, we know he has a lot of potential.”
  • Drew on Armstrong: “He’s a big body. He’s athletic. He bangs. I like the fact he’s a guy who plays hard. You can’t have enough type of those guys.”
  • Josh on Armstrong: “I think in the paint he can block some shots and be able to add that inside presence and help us out down there a little bit. When we played against them he was a effective in a couple of games.”
  • Now on to the game . . .
  • The Hawks rallied from 18 down to tie it at 92-92 with five minutes left. The Suns closed them out by winning the kind of possession-by-possession sequences in which the Hawks tends to falter. Not a good idea to get into a shootout with the Suns, who made 10 of 14 shots in the fourth.
  • Perhaps it would have been different at the end without the big deficit or a back-to-back but it’s an L all the same.
  • “It’s tough to spot a team 18 points and having to fight back, especially a team like Phoenix,” Drew said. “They shoot the ball so well, particularly from the 3-point line (13 for 26). We exerted a lot of energy to get back and I thought our guys wore down at the end.”
  • The Hawks started switching on every screen, an approach that they theoretically should be able to scrap with Hinrich on the floor.
  • “We couldn’t get [stops],” Josh said. “We ended up switching. Nash is a smart point guard. He knew where the mismatches were. Tip your hat to Channing Frye, he hit some tough shots on Damien. Damien was all over him but when you are 6-10, 6-11 you get that ball in position you want it’s kind of hard to block the shot.”
  • Jamal’s scoring and Damien’s defense helped the Hawks get back in it. Jamal made five straight shots but didn’t have an attempt from 6:53 of the fourth until a meaningless layup in the final seconds. “I’m getting back to being me, for sure,” he said.
  • Teague got his second career start was noticeably more decisive in driving the ball. Finishing was another matter though he still was 3 for 6 from the field and 3 for 3 from the line.
  • “I thought he came out aggressive in attack mode and used his speed and quickness,” Drew said. “We need that. I thought he did a tremendous job breaking the defense down and getting to the basket. That’s the way he has to play. Don’t worry about turning the basketball over, just keep the pressure on the defense.”
  • After 10 nights on the road I’m officially on the injured list (shoulder) after a bench press mishap in the gym yesterday. It’s after the All-Star break so I’ve got to push through it. Hurts like hell to lug around bags but I refuse to take the L of getting on one of those old folks carts at the airport tomorrow.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

802 comments Add your comment

Mz. Just Don't Give Hoot What You Say Your Actions Speak For You

February 24th, 2011
1:08 pm

So Al Jefferson is a championship move? Nope.

bigdave

February 24th, 2011
1:08 pm

where are yall seeing anything in regards to Al Jefferson. not finding it anywhere on the web. must be your “inside sources”

..

Mr.Phil

February 24th, 2011
1:08 pm

Smoove for Caron Butler would be the worst trade in the history of…wait…no there have been worse.

But it would be enough for me to start exploring the possibility of a class action lawsuit against ASG for fraudulently pretending to try and get better.

JeJe

February 24th, 2011
1:08 pm

ASG is just acting like it’s shopping Smoove to excite us. They made their trade and now are trying to act like they care/are active

Najeh Davenpoop

February 24th, 2011
1:10 pm

Al Jefferson is another PF playing out of position at center. He’s a good player, but the Hawks have bigger needs. I also don’t see anything about this rumor anywhere.

JeJe

February 24th, 2011
1:10 pm

UTAH HAS TOO MANY BIGS.

GET AL JEFF HERE.

I feel like Marvin Jamal and Z is a bit too much though. We need a 2nd player

jeje

February 24th, 2011
1:11 pm

get a job jeje

JeJe

February 24th, 2011
1:11 pm

Get Al Jeff here. Get a 2nd player like Raja if possible.

No way Utah can have a frontcourt of Millsap (who they LOVE), Favors (there for good I bet), AND Al Jeff. Don’t forget about Kirilenko and Okur.

GET AL JEFF

BYE BYE SMOOVE. HAVE FUN IN MORMON WORLD
LOLOL

AUBURN

February 24th, 2011
1:12 pm

bigdave

February 24th, 2011
1:12 pm

lets be sensible.. need one of those bigs from Chicago. they need a SG. Kurt or the big rook will see less mins now that Jo is back..

Mr.Phil

February 24th, 2011
1:12 pm

ASG probably paid MC a couple bucks to claim that Zaza was “held out” of the game. He was probably late getting to the arena because of an emergency Fashion Shoe.

Mr.Phil

February 24th, 2011
1:12 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

February 24th, 2011
1:13 pm

Apparently Reggie Evans is available. Considering the Hawks’ problems rebounding, he would probably be a pretty useful addition, not to mention he could teach Smoove about the finer points of nut-grabbing.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

February 24th, 2011
1:13 pm

Oh he cant defend the rim? That doesnt help us there.

I dont see any sources for that either. Didnt somebody say something about Portand too?

Dont tell me these sources are coming from the same place that a hot bowl of chili and beans will end up.

bigdave

February 24th, 2011
1:14 pm

we need a big goon like Reggie.. im all for him.

Mike

February 24th, 2011
1:14 pm

Well, you think about this, Zaza has DNP last night, plus they been looking high and low to get rid of Marvin Contract.

Wabe

February 24th, 2011
1:14 pm

I see some folks just love to hate.

I love how people talk about our need for better interior defense, but then point to Josh Smith as the guy with the problem.

Daniel

February 24th, 2011
1:15 pm

where has it been reported that ASG is shopping Smith? And for whom?

bigdave

February 24th, 2011
1:15 pm

Wabe

February 24th, 2011
1:15 pm

Jamal and Marvin for Al Jefferson?

bigdave

February 24th, 2011
1:15 pm

laughable aint it Wabe.

Al might be the worse defensive big outside of ZaZa.

Mr.Phil

February 24th, 2011
1:16 pm

ATTENTION EVERYONE,

Stop looking for trade rumors about the Hawks because there are none. ASG has fooled you all. There is neither hope nor plan for this team to be anything more than a sellable asset.

Daniel

February 24th, 2011
1:16 pm

The Hawks are obviously shopping ZaZa and Marvin with Crawford as bait for something decent.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 24th, 2011
1:16 pm

Also, Jamal and Marvin for Al Jefferson means we get to see Smoove at SF full time for the rest of the season.

Mr.Phil

February 24th, 2011
1:17 pm

ZaZa’s DNP was because he could not find the right socks to go with his warmups, so he refused to play.

JeJe

February 24th, 2011
1:18 pm

No way we get Al Jeff though. Smoove at 3 means the demise of this franchise

bigdave

February 24th, 2011
1:18 pm

that would be a beastly front court though.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 24th, 2011
1:18 pm

Here’s something real quick that works in the trade machine.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6ey393x

Hawks get Barbosa and Reggie Evans
Raptors get Jamal, Powell, and Etan

JeJe

February 24th, 2011
1:18 pm

ZaZa DNP because his backne hemorrhaged and he couldn’t stop the bleeding

mykhalc

February 24th, 2011
1:18 pm

@Najeh…LOL

Daniel

February 24th, 2011
1:19 pm

Attention Everyone: Mr. Phil likes to make himself feel better by discouraging others. Hey, Mr. Phil a little tip here, people that are on the blog just enjoy speculating. Sorry, you didn’t notice that before.

JeJe

February 24th, 2011
1:19 pm

trade Smoove to Dallas if we can get B.Haywood

mykhalc

February 24th, 2011
1:19 pm

@Najeh…the LOL was for your 1:16pm post ;-)

EmirS.

February 24th, 2011
1:20 pm

Woot!

Woke up before the trade deadline. 1 hour to go! I’m really hoping and praying we get another trade in.

Daniel

February 24th, 2011
1:20 pm

Najeh- you really want Reggie Evans? How is that an upgrade from Twin?

bigdave

February 24th, 2011
1:20 pm

Smoove from a 7ft who shoot layups and smack the backboard.

boy stop.

EmirS.

February 24th, 2011
1:21 pm

Excuse me,

1 hour and 40 minutes to go!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 24th, 2011
1:21 pm

Or alternately, this, although I still don’t know why anyone would trade for Zaza.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4ue5tqo

Najeh Davenpoop

February 24th, 2011
1:22 pm

“you really want Reggie Evans? How is that an upgrade from Twin?”

Evans is a fantastic rebounder. Twin is a mediocre rebounder. They wouldn’t necessarily play the same role as each other.

KevinM

February 24th, 2011
1:22 pm

Get Al in here minimum….that would be a nice combo with Al.

If you can get Miller/Pryz..then consider that as well..but they are starting to win some. They still don’t have a chance in the West though. They need a rebuild with all their question marks.

Najeh, you sound like you are McGrady’s agent? You really like his 2011 game?

Wabe

February 24th, 2011
1:22 pm

Clocks ticking…

Don’t think anything’s gonna happen.

It’s also sad because regardless of what they do today, they’re 2-3 steps behind, not one. So, even if they pulled off a trade to get a big, we’re still short a wingman and a bench.

The way Sund’s trying to make moves, without including members of this “core”, makes it difficult to really make anything meaningful happen. The only way to improve across the board is to dangle Al/Josh around. There’s no other way around it.

JeJe

February 24th, 2011
1:23 pm

If we ship Jamal to Utah, I hope we can get Raja Obama in return as part of the package

Najeh Davenpoop

February 24th, 2011
1:23 pm

Rockets and T-Wolves are trying to trade Jonny Flynn + spare parts for Aaron Brooks + spare parts.

Shake Something

February 24th, 2011
1:24 pm

JeJe

February 24th, 2011
1:24 pm

Can we do ZaZa for Turiaf? Would NYK be that dumb? haha

Daniel

February 24th, 2011
1:25 pm

Najeh if you are giving up Powell and Thomas for Evans ok, but I don’t know if I would swap Crawford for Barbosa.

Mr.Phil

February 24th, 2011
1:27 pm

Daniel:

Doesn’t my mistrust of ASG count as speculation? I don’t work for them so I would think so.

My comments are meant to enlighten the people on this blog that are in the same position I was in. Coming to these blogs and exchanging recommendation after recommendation only to see the Hawks get worse and worse.

When the whole world spends years telling pointing out the obvious and you go in the opposite direction, I gotta believe you are doing it on purpose.

So abandon hope everyone and join me in the movement to get new ownership in this town. Because ASG is clearly and deliberately clueless.

(The above statements are null and void if and when the Hawks make the Eastern Conference championships)

JeJe

February 24th, 2011
1:28 pm

I expect a Utah trade. No way they can hang onto that frontcourt and please everyone

Najeh Davenpoop

February 24th, 2011
1:28 pm

“Najeh if you are giving up Powell and Thomas for Evans ok, but I don’t know if I would swap Crawford for Barbosa.”

The idea behind the Jamal trades I keep posting is that Jamal is one good bench player, but his salary is large enough that he can be traded for two good bench players. Barbosa can provide a major chunk of the scoring Jamal provides, and Evans can provide useful minutes on the boards unlike Powell and Etan who provide nothing. The Hawks need depth, and trading one contributor for two contributors helps in that regard.

EmirS.

February 24th, 2011
1:28 pm

@Shake Something

What are the chances of Detroit going along with that?