Atlanta Hawks: Lakers 104, Hawks 80

This was just one of several mismatches for the Hawks. (AP Photo)

This was just one of several mismatches for the Hawks. (AP Photo)

Los Angeles–If I know my blog people, I figure you’d rather hear about trade chatter (some hope for the future) than a recounting of this debacle (a depressing reminder of the team’s stasis).

  • So, OK . . . Yes, Kirk Hinrich is a possibility and Ramon Sessions remains in play. No to Devin Harris (who is probably headed elsewhere) and Raymond Felton (whom the Nuggets apparently aren’t looking to move).
  • Basically, it seems like the Hawks have called about every decent-to-good point guard who might be available. Of course it will take more than a new point guard to fix what ailed the Hawks tonight.
  • The Lakers were smarter, faster and tougher than the Hawks.
  • “I can go down competing, but we are not competing at our highest level it’s frustrating,” Al said.
  • These beatdowns are becoming more commonplace. That’s four Ls in five, with three of them by at least 15 points. It’s also Atlanta’s fifth loss by at least 20 points this season.
  • The Hawks are back to their habit of getting down big and staying there. “We didn’t play with an edge; we gave them too much respect,” J.J. said. “We didn’t have that fire, that competitive nature that we need. It’s frustrating, man. I don’t know what to do.”
  • They could start by not continuing to jack up jump shots when they a) are challenged and/or b) aren’t making them. Both things happened against the Lakers, yet the Hawks kept firing away.
  • Certainly it’s no easy task to score inside against all that Lakers size but it’s not as if the Hawks ever made a focused effort to try it.
  • “I don’t think we went to the rim enough,” L.D. said. “I just thought we settled, which is starting to be a pattern with us. When you fall into that type of pattern when you are not making shots you’re going to struggle. We went 1-for-15 from the three, yet we settled for the three. We have to have more basketball savvy than that.”
  • The Hawks got handled 54-32 on the boards. Los Angeles collected an astounding 42 of Atlanta’s 62 misses (not counting “team” rebounds) with Gasol and Bynum combining for 21 of those.
  • “We didn’t play with physicality,” Drew said. “I thought they really banged us in the half court. I don’t think we responded very well to it.”
  • This game showed the limitations of the big lineup. Twin is a good position defender but he can’t hang on the boards against the better big men. The Hawks actually had more success (relatively, at least) going small with Al working outside against Gasol and Bynum.
  • The Lakers made 24 of 48 shots before emptying the bench in the fourth quarter. Kobe (20 points on 11 shots) didn’t even have to do anything special in his 26 minutes. Heck Shannon Brown took it to the Hawks and Joe Smith had three blocked shots.
  • “They dominated on both ends,” Al said. “We really have some soul-searching to do as a team. It’s discouraging. We had a great practice yesterday, and to come out like that, it’s frustrating.”
  • The Hawks botched five fast break chances by my count. Smoove threw a couple passes that smashed the backboard.
  • Here was one inept fast break sequence: Mo fumbled the ball away while standing under the rim and missed a layup; Josh Powell tried to put it back only to get his shot pinned by Joe Smith, leading to an alley-oop dunk by Devin Ebanks.
  • The Lakers presented Powell with his Lakers championship ring before the game.
  • “I actually want to see it,” Al said. “I kind of saw it from far away. I know what it’s like to win. I did it on the college level. We are hungry for that. We are hungry to be in that position and we are not there yet.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

720 comments Add your comment

rusty

February 23rd, 2011
2:48 am

First necessary move, get ld out of here

Najeh Davenpoop

February 23rd, 2011
2:54 am

If you want to contribute to the fake Rick Sund Twitter, send an email to fakericksund@gmail.com for the password.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 23rd, 2011
2:55 am

Najeh Davenpoop

February 23rd, 2011
2:56 am

And for the fake Sund who posts here, if you want to run this thing let me know. Someone’s gotta do it.

MJ49

February 23rd, 2011
3:04 am

Let’s Go Hawks, Rise Up Atlanta

mykhalc

February 23rd, 2011
3:09 am

the Atlanta Excuses!!! these cats have no leadership skills and to cap it off…they really do NOT wanna play as a team!!! BOOOOMMM!!!

MJ49

February 23rd, 2011
3:10 am

And now they’re headed to PHX which I belive blew us out earlier this year downtown

rocknblues81

February 23rd, 2011
3:11 am

lol. The Hawks suck.

vava74

February 23rd, 2011
3:15 am

How can “Not Starting Teague” continue to be an option which is written in stone?

Columbus

February 23rd, 2011
3:27 am

Hawks shopping Bibby, eye Hinrich

The Atlanta Hawks are working hard to move point guard Mike Bibby(notes), and Washington’s Kirk Hinrich(notes) has emerged as a real target for them. Denver’s Raymond Felton(notes) and Portland’s Andre Miller(notes) also are looming large on the Hawks’ radar, sources say. The Hawks have inquired about the Nets’ Harris, but there are no deal possibilities there, sources said.

The Hawks are trying hard to rid themselves of the three years and $23.2 million left on Marvin Williams’(notes) contract after this season. “For what he makes, it’s a tough sell,” said one NBA coach whose team desires a forward who can score the ball.

The Hawks also have explored trying to trade guard Jeff Teague(notes) and swingman Maurice Evans(notes) to the Cleveland Cavaliers for guards Ramon Sessions(notes) and Manny Harris(notes), one source said.

– Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc J. Spears, 7:10 p.m. ET, Feb. 22

Realsquawk

February 23rd, 2011
3:28 am

Wait is anyone else waiting for the team meeting to rally the troops?

MJ49

February 23rd, 2011
3:32 am

Id rather have Nique coach this team, Almost! We were built to play small, to play big is not what got us where we are(if we had Dwight that’s a diff story), but I due admit playing small Isn’t that affective with Bad pg guard play, Almost any PG available at this point would save this team and boost them up… It all depends on how you look at it Sessions or Hinrich would change the whole dynamic of this team, but CP3 or DWill would really change it, but if that’s out of reach for now, go with one of the 1st 2 or Brooks, to live in the present because with better PG play y’all will remember why were built to play small, I wish Mo Evans was Battier though & I wish JC2, SY, or Teague really got some burn, I also wish Etan would play more if his heart could take it if not cut him, But I say just get a fast smart PG and sign Eddy Curry when he gets cut, I’m just saying

Jae Evolution

February 23rd, 2011
3:33 am

Why don’t we trade for both Ramon Sessions and Kirk Hinrich? We would then have a starting/backup PG one with defensive presence and one who could penetrate and create shots for teammates.

Sounds like the best plan to me.

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MJ49

February 23rd, 2011
3:41 am

Good plan Jae because I was just sitting here thinking what if these current Hawks lucked up & made it to The Finals against LA, I could only picture us breaking a record

hawks_4_life

February 23rd, 2011
3:43 am

THE SKY HAS FALLEN

=(

Realsquawk

February 23rd, 2011
3:49 am

@MichaelCunningham should I spend money to see the Hawks on Friday? My actual question is does the team at all seem to be getting their stuff together or are they just drinking too much of their own koolaid.

Seriously Joe, Al, and Sund were talking about this is the time to prove themselves and they have only proven that nothing has changed.

hawks_4_life

February 23rd, 2011
3:49 am

I can bash the hawks all I want on this blog but its not going to make me feel any better. Its just sad knowing the chances on any title run is non-existant. Ill always be a fan its just gut wrenching. I dont know how many more games I watch at 2am (due to timezone difference).

mykhalc

February 23rd, 2011
3:51 am

Joe Johnson: “We didn’t have that fire, that competitive nature. It’s frustrating. I don’t know what to do.” #Hawks

i know…give back some of that Batman money, Robin!!!

TheAntiMe

February 23rd, 2011
4:14 am

Get rid of everybody on this team except for Al Horford starting with Coach Woody light. Horford is the only one on this team that seems to give a damn. One would think that Joe Johnson would have enough professional pride that he would feel very much shame, if not a guilty conscience, to average 10 points or more less per game than he did before he broke the bank with his Mega Millions contract. (It has to be Mega Millions because he surely doesn’t appear to have any balls, Power Balls or otherwise.) It seems like he is getting paid this year at a rate of $150,000 per point scored.

This team was fun to watch once upon a time when they gave a crap. Now, they just make me want to barf.

Carlos

February 23rd, 2011
4:30 am

This is what happen when you have a team full of people that are either lacking brains, balls or both. (See: Marvin Williams)

dap01

February 23rd, 2011
5:17 am

Great game by Bibby!

Willy

February 23rd, 2011
5:24 am

The Hawks let teams walk all over them – that’s way their home attendance is low and nobody takes them seriously.

Big Daddy

February 23rd, 2011
5:54 am

“We didn’t play with an edge; we gave them too much respect,” J.J. said. “We didn’t have that fire, that competitive nature that we need. It’s frustrating, man. I don’t know what to do.”

Hey, JJ, how about you. If the rest of the team doesn’t have the fire, why don’t you lead by example, Captain. Is your elbow still bothering you, do you have something in your eye, does your tummy hurt? All of the top players are almost always on and when you look in the box scores, they have the most points, rebounds, assist …….or whatever. I don’t see Kobe, D Wade, Ray A are the other highly paid, highly touted shooting guards going through the kind of slump you are having. After holding out to get the max contract you had to know that almost as much as our much maligned point guard, you would be under a lot of scrutiny.

This trip is going to be brutal and like Al said, “We can go down competing, but we are not competng at our highest level”. And did anyone ask Smoove after the game who he was trying to pass the ball to slamming it off the backboard, twice? I am not optimistic that a trade of any significance will be made at this point. Only someone who is probably a backup who wants to start will want to come here. Kirk Hinrich or Ramon Sessions are not the answers to the point guard situation.

Jimmy

February 23rd, 2011
5:59 am

These same comments all the time. They’ll have the same response against Phoenix. Why is Joe talking about ‘fire’? The man doesn’t have any himself. Where is Smoove? Oh, probably joking with Steve Blake like he was during half time warmups.

In other news, Heyward and Freeman are better than Joe and Smoove.

terrell

February 23rd, 2011
6:08 am

Another blowout, and same ole excuses from Joke Johnson and co. Whatever. Trade everybody for any damn body.

hawks_4_life

February 23rd, 2011
6:11 am

SOMEWHERE WOODY IS LAUGHING HIS @$$ OFF….GUESS IT WAS THE PLAYERS NOT THE COACH.

MsDee

February 23rd, 2011
6:13 am

The ASG are waiting out after both the Lakers and Phoenix’s game to make there final trades ideas. I think they needed to make sure they are making the right decision on who should stay and who should go. Based on these last 5 games, Marvin, Josh, Bibby, & Jamal ALL should be heading to 2 different teams for a offensive & defensive minded PG (Felton or Hinrich) and a decent to great C (Andrew Bynum or Ben Wallace) with bench fillers included.

hawks_4_life

February 23rd, 2011
6:15 am

MSDEE I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT BUT MY WORLD SAYS WISHFULL THINKING RIGHT NOW.

terrell

February 23rd, 2011
6:19 am

Youre right Joe, no trade is needed. lol!

Will

February 23rd, 2011
6:20 am

Dismantle this team immediately, keep Al and Joe. They claim they can’t understand why the fans don’t come out to the arena and support them, let me give you a few reasons why:

very seldom play with any intensity
when they start losing a gm by double digits, they just simple quit
Lose gms by 41, 35, 24, 18, 20 pts and more. But they want fans to be excited about them
They’re is a reason why that cannot pack philips arena, when six million people live in the metro
This ownership is the worst in all of sports
Give us a good product, give us our money’s worth, we’ll packet that arena very home gm

terrell

February 23rd, 2011
6:22 am

MsDee, I disagree. I bet they were hoping we’d pull off the upset, so they could say “we like our core”.

hawks_4_life

February 23rd, 2011
6:41 am

Who was that joker that had everyone yesterday all riled up about a trade that supposed to have happend. Even though it was bs I wish it was true as do most of you but im starting to get real pessimistic

JeJe

February 23rd, 2011
6:48 am

Why after EVERY SINGLE loss do we have to hear about how we settled for shots? When is Drew going to hold Smoove accountable for his horrid jumpshooting?

What an awful useless head coach

South Ga. Boy in the Atl

February 23rd, 2011
6:49 am

Bibby looks so old and like he just doesn’t care. Same ole “talk” from JJ, he should go into politics with the same old empty rhetoric. I keep saying and Smoove keeps proving me right: he has got to be the dumbest “in a BB sense” player I have ever seen in the NBA. He will chuck the ball in any direction and continue to jack up shots like he’s Reggie Miller. Got to have a PG and got to trade Smoove in the offseason

JeJe

February 23rd, 2011
6:51 am

I actually went to sleep after the 1st quarter. I knew we’d lose by about 20. Good job, Hawks. Saved me 2 hours of sleep.

Just listening and watching LD talk is painful too. he is not articulate

JeJe

February 23rd, 2011
6:52 am

Kobe is probably laughing at how soft this team is.

josh Smith taking contested 20 footers because there is no PG to create offense.

Even if this “motion offense” is put in play, it still sucks because Bibby is garbage and will be for the rest of his career.

JeJe

February 23rd, 2011
6:55 am

Bibby with 0 points and 1 rebound in 16 minutes. This is a guy who we proclaim to be our starting Point Guard

Joe with 1 rebound in 27 minutes.

How is a guy 6″8 and probably the strongest SG in the NBA, BUT CAN’T REBOUND AT ALL?

Time to hear LD threaten to change the starting lineup again, then wussy out after we win 1 game on this trip.

This team pisses me off so damn much.
Tomorrow at 8pm we’ll hear Sund say how there were no good trades out there. Hell, we might beat Phoenix tonight and he’ll act like all is okay

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

February 23rd, 2011
6:58 am

At least the Hawks are trying to progress at something

lol@finding new ways to say the same stuff.

“We didn’t play with an edge, We didn’t have that fire, that competitive nature that we need” (violins playing) = the new and improved version of “We didnt play with any energy”

O'Brien

February 23rd, 2011
7:00 am

A team loss last night, but I think LD shoulders a lot of the blame.

“I just thought we settled, which is starting to be a pattern with us”.LD .

See, its quotes like this that make me doubt LD, and I’m wondering if he is overmatched. He said it is starting to be a pattern. It started being a pattern from when Woody was here.

Players get jumper happy, dont drive to the hoop, and hang their heads when the going gets tough. They have been doing it all year, but yet LD said it is starting to be a pattern? C’mon Man!

And what else does he need to see to make some kind of change? I know his options are limited, but the status quo is not working. Its insanity what he is doing. Trotting the same team, the same rotation out there game after game, and hoping for a different result.

Start Jamal instead of Bibby, start Teague instead of Bibby, give JC2 some of Jamal’s minutes, give Damien some of Marvin’s minutes, play Marvin at SF with Al at PF (bring Josh off the bench)…at least try something different, anything.

And if it doesnt work, at least you can say you tried.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

February 23rd, 2011
7:03 am

“I don’t think we went to the rim enough,” L.D. said. “I just thought we settled, which is starting to be a pattern with us. When you fall into that type of pattern when you are not making shots you’re going to struggle. We went 1-for-15 from the three, yet we settled for the three. We have to have more basketball savvy than that.”

only the comments a trained, skilled, professional basketball coach could come up with, nothing obvious at all.

O'Brien

February 23rd, 2011
7:09 am

As for the players, lots of blame to go around too. Just to name a few…

Josh: 1-7 on jumpers outside the paint (I’m glad LD is getting him to establish himself inside the post first..SMH at LD).

Bibby: 16 minutes, 0-3 from the field, 0 points, 0 assists (could Teague have done any worse in 16 mins)?

Powell: 10 shot attempts in 15 minutes (he was 2-10). Was he trying to impress the Lakers?

Marvin: Up and down as usual, ZaZa being ZaZa…and the list goes on.

What was interesting is the Hawks only had 6 turnovers, but the Lakers had 18. And we still lost by 24 (and would have been worse if LA hadnt emptied their bench).

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

February 23rd, 2011
7:12 am

Copy and Pasted from Mike Woodson’s Twitter:

@Sund4Core, @BibbyFanGearon2011, @LDrewCOY
“told you guys my way was the best way, just forget all that fancy ‘motion offense’ non-sense and stick with ISO-Joe and ISO-Crawford. At least it’ll get you 50 wins”

Chris

February 23rd, 2011
7:14 am

So glad we kept the “core” together and signed JJ to a max contract.

Prior ownership blew up the Mookie-Smitty-Dikembe team for inability to progress past the first round. But, at least that team was enjoyable to watch. This team is both mediocre and aggravating to watch, and all overpaid and thus untradable – except Horford.

What a nightmare.

JeJe

February 23rd, 2011
7:15 am

Just trade Josh Smith already.

When he plays at the 3, he refuses to penetrate the lane and just settles for jumpshots.

Horford playing at the 4 for this team is far more important in the long-run than anything Smoove brings (he hardly blocks shots anymore as we saw in the stat)

Wabe

February 23rd, 2011
7:16 am

Glad I went to sleep…

No point wasting my time staying awake to watch this mess.

Let the excuses continue.

Time to send a message Drew. I don’t care if it costs us games, because it’s not as if we’re competing as it is.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

February 23rd, 2011
7:19 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/2411/josh-smith

Josh Smith shooting 19% from 3 this month.

It’s time to take it inside, Smoove.

Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)

February 23rd, 2011
7:25 am

The sad part about getting blown out in the last 2 playoffs, presently watching the teams above us get better, upgrade their rosters and knowing that we probably have next to no shot at contending is that when you think about it we might as well be the Sixers or Bobcats. Just in the playoffs to be there.

….might as well make some rotation changes or trades to see if SOMETHING works.

Wabe

February 23rd, 2011
7:29 am

I for one will never understand the coaches love affair with Mike Bibby.

As everyone here continues to point out, can Teague really be that much worse? I mean really, Bibby can go game after game logging the type of stat line you saw him log last night, and we’ll still see nothing change.

It would’ve made more sense to let Teague take his lumps and at least build some confidence with extended minutes through the season. I don’t care how many mistakes the kid makes…

Plain and simple, his upside > anything Mike Bibby still has left in the tank.

The same goes for Jordan Crawford. This kid has upside, but coach just makes these rooks bottle it up for another season. Same ish as last season. I know neither of them is probably ready RIGHT NOW to jump in there and play as close to mistake-free basketball as Drew probably wants, but that’s no reason to leave them rotting on the bench, especially when the rest of your team makes mistake after mistake.

You could even go with a starting lineup featuring Teague, Jamal, and Joe. Bring JC2 off the bench.

It’s astonishing how it’s clear this team isn’t built to win right now, but no initiative is taken to develop guys for the future. It doesn’t have to be the long-term future. Had coach given this rooks solid minutes throughout the course of the season, I’m sure their impact would’ve been as great as a Mike Bibby or a Mo Evans. But, we continue to roll with the status quo, and Drew maybe doing it because he’s still got something to prove, so he’s not trying to waste his time developing youngsters when he’s only under contract for 2 years. But really, I seriously think that’s gonna cost him his job as it is, because in case you haven’t gotten it Drew, the status quo gets you WHOPPED in the playoffs.

Ms. Jones

February 23rd, 2011
7:34 am

Joe Johnson 14pts? Joe lifted his game to make the All Star Team. Since his selection his numbers have dropped to what they were prior to his push to make the team. Step it up Joe. Be a Leader. Rick Sund for 30+ years has been an average GM. Now he would be graded as poor. Those contracts to Joe, Marvin, Josh, Zaza, and Bibby sickening.