Atlanta Hawks: Bibby for Hinrich in five-player deal
Loading ...Phoenix–After striking out in their efforts to acquire point guards Devin Harris and Raymond Felton, the Hawks agreed to terms with the Wizards on a trade for veteran Kirk Hinrich and athletic big man Hilton Armstrong, the team announced tonight.
As part of the deal, the Hawks sent Mike Bibby, rookie Jordan Crawford, swingman Mo Evans and their 2011 first-round draft pick to the Wizards.
Bibby, Crawford and Evans were informed of the trade prior to the team’s game against Phoenix tonight. Jeff Teague replaced Bibby in the starting lineup.
Hawks coach Larry Drew declined to comment on the trade before the game because it wasn’t yet official.
The Bulls selected Hinrich, 30, with the seventh overall pick out of Kansas in the 2003 draft. The Bulls traded him to Washington last summer along with Kevin Seraphin.
The Hawks expect Hinrich to shore up their weak perimeter defense, which has put stress on the team defense as players constantly scramble to help against dribble penetration. Like Bibby, Hinrich is a good spot-up shooter but is a better playmaker off the dribble and should help Atlanta’s fast break.
The Hawks also hope Hinrich (6-4, 190), who’s earned a reputation as a hard-nosed player, will provide toughness and leadership. He and Marvin Williams went at it during a game in Chicago last season, with both earning technical fouls.
“I’ve always been a super fan of Kirk,” Williams said. “Watching him at Kansas, he just competes, man. In college, coach [Roy] Williams would always make reference to Kirk Hinrich and say he has that toughness and that attitude.”
Armstrong (6-11, 235 pounds) is limited offensively and doesn’t rebound well for his size. But he’s an athletic leaper who could find a role helping the Hawks protect the rim, which also is a weakness (especially when Josh Smith is not in the game).
“I think in the paint he can block some shots and be able to add that inside presence and help us out down there a little bit,” Smith said.
The trade is another move for the Hawks that could help them now at the expense of future flexibility and development of young players.
Both Armstrong and Evans’ contracts expire after the season. Hinrich is scheduled to make $8 million next season compared to salaries of $6.2 million for Bibby and $1.1 million for Crawford . That would add roughly $700,000 to Atlanta’s estimated $65 million in committed salaries for 2011-12.
The Hawks also had to part with the draft pick and Crawford, whom they acquired in a draft night trade in 2010 after the Nets selected him No. 27 overall. The shooting guard had played sparingly this season, appearing in just 16 of 56 games.
Finally, the trade is the latest indication that the Hawks don’t intend to give Teague a larger role. Teague, the No. 19 overall pick in the 2009 draft, had played in 46 of 56 games for an average of 11.6 minutes entering the game tonight.
The Hawks acquired Hinrich after a wide search for a trading partner in an urgent attempt to acquire a point guard.
A league source with knowledge of Atlanta’s inquiries said the team tried to swing a trade for Harris before the Nets sent him to Utah in a deal that got them All-Star Deron Williams. The source said the Hawks also were rebuffed when they inquired about point guard Raymond Felton after New York traded him to the Nuggets as part of the Carmelo Anthony trade.
The Hawks also had interest in Cleveland point guard Ramon Sessions, according to the source.
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Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
7:54 pm
yessssss first and byeeeeeeebye bibby!!!!!!!!
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
7:55 pm
now let’s keep this trade train rollin’
who else can we get rid of?
JC44
February 23rd, 2011
7:56 pm
Gave up too much for marginal improvement.
Jae Evolution
February 23rd, 2011
7:56 pm
Let’s see what we can get for Jamal now?
honest_abe
February 23rd, 2011
7:56 pm
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
heh i actually think hinrich’s goin to help now if we can only get rid of josh “the jumper” smith
joe
February 23rd, 2011
7:57 pm
they’re still awful
gcs
February 23rd, 2011
7:57 pm
bad move.
was_a_hawks_fan_til_they_traded_Nique.
February 23rd, 2011
7:57 pm
More of the same…
The Hawks are doomed! Face it, we will be salary strangled for years to come with no chance to improve. Someone pleease tell me I am wrong.
gcs
February 23rd, 2011
7:57 pm
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GT Trumpet
February 23rd, 2011
7:57 pm
Shocking that they actually made a move!
was_a_hawks_fan
February 23rd, 2011
7:58 pm
I hate getting rid of first round picks.
Jae Evolution
February 23rd, 2011
7:59 pm
JC44 What did we really lose though? Constant dribble penetration from Bibby, terrible season for the “undervalued one”, Jordan who has seen maybe 30 minutes this whole season, and a first round pick who we would probably waste anyways?
Zach
February 23rd, 2011
7:59 pm
NOT MIKE BIBBBBYYYY!!!!!
BosnianBaller
February 23rd, 2011
7:59 pm
Gave up too much
Ray
February 23rd, 2011
8:00 pm
Horrible Trade I’m watching the wiz now Jordan Crawford will become a beast of the east just watch and wait.
was_a_hawks_fan
February 23rd, 2011
8:00 pm
That’s the problem Jae, we always ‘waste’ picks.
South Ga. Boy in the Atl
February 23rd, 2011
8:00 pm
Don’t think he’s an ultimate answer but much like getting Bibby 3 yrs ago was an improvement and a jump start to this sad team, I believe this will give the same jolt to the hawks now. It’s improvement and at least it’s doing something. Sund has a pulse I guess. I wonder how the big man fits in or was he just a “throw in”
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
8:00 pm
bibbyyyyy GET to steppin’
buwahahahah finally!
Mr. Riley
February 23rd, 2011
8:00 pm
what a terrible move…the wizards are the laughing stock for a reason…and on top of that why give a first round pick for a middle of the road point guard and center who is virtually an unknown?? this team baffles me…
K.W.
February 23rd, 2011
8:01 pm
Sad to see Mike go, but how does this make the Hawks better?
Baller
February 23rd, 2011
8:01 pm
It still docent matter its like trading clones cept for better defense
tee
February 23rd, 2011
8:02 pm
Man, I was hoping we get Aaron Brooks from Houston!!
Luke M
February 23rd, 2011
8:02 pm
Great move. It’ll be nice to have someone in the back court who can actually defend now.
RealSquawk
February 23rd, 2011
8:02 pm
How do people so inept have so much money. I think I should stop paying so much attention to sports and try to make some money cause I can’t do anything sitting here. And I want a championship in ATlanta
JC44
February 23rd, 2011
8:03 pm
Jae Evolution – Even if JC2 is on the pine and we waste the future 1st, those are still two assets that we could have used anywhere else. To give them BOTH for Hinrich and a filler, is too much. I won’t argue that it was time to move Bibby and Mo, but come on.
Garbage Point Guards
February 23rd, 2011
8:03 pm
We just gave a first round pick for this garbage guy, the hawks are the dumbest organization in the NBA
Cathy
February 23rd, 2011
8:04 pm
bad move to give up 1sr round draft pick. jordan crawford is gonna come back to haunt the hawks, just wait and see
Neil
February 23rd, 2011
8:04 pm
Hawks organization is broken! Why give up some much for two MARGINAL players… This organization is a BIG JOKE. You can find a good point gaurd on the streets of Atlanta…
was_a_hawks_fan
February 23rd, 2011
8:04 pm
Amen to that…the Hawks are stuuuuuuuuuupid!
Adrian howard
February 23rd, 2011
8:05 pm
That’s why the hawks is still gonna be horrible cause they keep making these drunk decisions”…….knowing that they don’t need no more points guards……..
Falcons Fan
February 23rd, 2011
8:05 pm
I know Bibby makes way too much money, but how does this make us any better??? I sure hope this is just part of the deal to another trade that will come soon…. There is no way this makes us better… Wow…
Point Guard
February 23rd, 2011
8:05 pm
Ok Where is Marvin Williams going?
Leo
February 23rd, 2011
8:05 pm
You guys a trip at least give it 10 games before you start talking ish!
Andre
February 23rd, 2011
8:05 pm
Why are we getting rid of Jordan Crawford? I’m not worried at all about the first round pick considering that given our record it won’t be a very good pick anyway, and our scouts seemingly do a poor job of evaluating talent in the draft (outside of choosing Al Horford, the draft choices have been quite disappointing). However, while Hinrich for Bibby is still a nice deal, I don’t like giving up Jordan who looks like a guy with a lot of potential and a great mentality. He’s one of the few young players with a highly competitive nature and no fear.
If we were getting Blatche or McGee I wouldn’t mind, but Hilton Armstrong will probably just waste away on our bench. I doubt L.D. will give him much of a chance. I really hope the Hawks make additional trades beyond this before the deadline.
mountain_jim
February 23rd, 2011
8:05 pm
don’t like losing a 1 pick – regardless of how much Sund would mess it up.
Jae Evolution
February 23rd, 2011
8:06 pm
JC44 – I see where you’re coming from, I would’ve preferred one or the other but I’m not going to hang my head until I see Jordan Crawford unleashed for the Wizards and what he can bring to the table then I will say we gave too much.
Stef
February 23rd, 2011
8:06 pm
Mr. Riley said it best….
So who exactly had a gun to Rick Sund when he signed off on the trade? And why give up on Jordan Crawford when we didn’t even give him a chance to develop
Please move the franchise and bring somebody else team here so we can have some real owners!
Garbage Point Guards
February 23rd, 2011
8:06 pm
We could have gave up Jordan and Jamal with a first round pick and got Deron Williams
bigeasy830
February 23rd, 2011
8:07 pm
Terrible trade, Jordan Crawford will be a good player in this league he could have help replace the loss of Jamaal Crawford after you lose him to free agency. Kirk Hinrich is not much better than Bibby but makes much more and The center you got is a slug. The Hawks GM is starting to run the team in the ground just like he ran the Supersonics in the ground and out of Seattle.
Am
February 23rd, 2011
8:07 pm
I can’t believe some of you are crying about losing a late round draft pick. The Hawks will never make u guys happy. Crying over Bibby and a draft pick….smh
Mike10
February 23rd, 2011
8:07 pm
It seems like were all on the same page get Marvin’s a$$ out next.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
8:08 pm
“Hawks organization is broken! Why give up some much for two MARGINAL players… This organization is a BIG JOKE. You can find a good point guard on the streets of Atlanta…”
LOL
I cosign.. Sund= Fail……………………………..
Richard Denson
February 23rd, 2011
8:08 pm
Don’t worry Atlanta this summer, Andrei “AK-47″ will be taking his talents to Atlanta and give the Hawks what they need in a small forward
Andre
February 23rd, 2011
8:08 pm
By the way, for those of you saying that this trade doesn’t make us any better, keep in mind that in the present time (right now), this trade does not make us any worse. Hinrich is no worse on either end of the floor than Bibby. Down the road, if Crawford ends up being a quality starter this may end up being a bad move, Right now though, this definitely doesn’t hurt the team.
atl
February 23rd, 2011
8:08 pm
I think that is a good trade we got rid of Mo “garbage” Evans he has like the 2nd lowest small forward efficiency rating that is just terrible. Btw trade Marvin “The Duck” Williams
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
8:09 pm
“We could have gave up Jordan and Jamal with a first round pick and got Deron Williams”
Sund you stick dude as GM………………….
UGAKev
February 23rd, 2011
8:09 pm
This basically keeps the hawks the same as they were before the trade as far as being good. Man we are stupid with money
Ken Strickland
February 23rd, 2011
8:09 pm
I’m going to miss Bibby. He was a clutch player that won a lot of gms for us. It wasn’t his fault MWoodson and LDrew insisted on forcing him into playing and doing more than he could handle. Good luck Mike.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
8:09 pm
meant stink
MIke Bibby
February 23rd, 2011
8:09 pm
You Glad I’m Gone…. HAHAHAA I’m glad I’m gone away from the Loser Spirit Owners!
Garbage Point Guards
February 23rd, 2011
8:09 pm
Am
February 23rd, 2011
8:07 pm
I can’t believe some of you are crying about losing a late round draft pick. The Hawks will never make u guys happy. Crying over Bibby and a draft pick….smh
We could have gave up all of that and got Deron Williams, but with fans like you that are satisfied with this garbage pg Kirk Hinrich we will never get better
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:09 pm
I generally don’t like giving up first round picks and young talent on rookie contracts either, but as bad as Sund is at drafting and as bad as Hawks coaches are at player development, I doubt the Hawks would have got anything meaningful out of Jordan or the first rounder anyway. No question to me this helps the Hawks short term, but Hinrich is by no means a long term solution at the point guard position.
What I’d really like to see is Teague play an evenly matched game with Nash tonight.
St. Bernard
February 23rd, 2011
8:10 pm
don’t like giving up the 1st.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
8:11 pm
no change..we got two Ham sandwiches……..The Meltdown continues…………………….WAY TO GO SUND!!!!!
BRUTAL……………………
Reggie
February 23rd, 2011
8:11 pm
Glad to see Bibby gone but i do appreciate what he did when he came in a few years ago and helped us get over the hump in becoming a playoff team. I hope we have one more trade in us, i love Josh Smith but i think its time to move on. Josh Smith and Za Za to Golden State for Stephen Curry and Andris Biedrins.
Stef
February 23rd, 2011
8:11 pm
This is why you don’t let rich parents give their trust funds to their kids when they die… why you ask….they become know as the #AtlantaSpiritGroup
Can we have dedicated owners again…. where the hell is Ted Turner when you need him
Dawg A
February 23rd, 2011
8:11 pm
A first round pick???? Huge mistake!!!! But what do you expect from the ASG!!! What did Forrest Gump say “Stupid is as stupid does” ASG………… please sale the team!!! And don’t give away the future in the meantime!!!!
soldierman
February 23rd, 2011
8:12 pm
I loved bibby but his time here was past. Not sure if Kirk is an upgrade as I remember his defense is pretty shaky and he has a itchy trigger finger. Time will tell though. Wonder if we are going to move marvin?
Former Hawks season ticket holder
February 23rd, 2011
8:12 pm
…..and the beat goes on. Franchise is a joke mired in second level talent
superiorblogman
February 23rd, 2011
8:13 pm
Stupid trade. 2 weeks ago if someone said we trade our 2010 and 2011 1st round picks for Kirk Hinrich you would say GetthePhuckOutofMyface, but not that “DumbSundofaGM”
tony
February 23rd, 2011
8:13 pm
Well, they got my captain, but I would not have giving them a draft pick to get him.
JC44
February 23rd, 2011
8:13 pm
It’s not about if we can develop JC2 or the future first/ It’s the fact you give them BOTH up for Hinrich. He may be better than Bibby at this point, but not so much you should ever have to give up a promoising rook and a first.
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
8:13 pm
I agree the hawks gave up to much. I’m just happy Bibby is gone and they didn’t give up Jeff Teague. He should get the start tonight.
Dept. of Unintended Irony
February 23rd, 2011
8:14 pm
“That’s why the hawks is still gonna be horrible cause they keep making these drunk decisions”…….knowing that they don’t need no more points guards……..”
Speaking of drunk……..
tjhook
February 23rd, 2011
8:14 pm
Yeah, this looks like a sloppy trade(and I actually don’t think badly of Hilton Armstrong). What kind of rotations are we running with these two. I think this team will become more pedestrian – goodbye Josh – and thereby less entertaining.
dap01
February 23rd, 2011
8:14 pm
The Hawks are inept but Hinrich is a huge improvement. We are still not a balanced team drifting toward nowhere.
Hawk Fan
February 23rd, 2011
8:14 pm
Hoooooooooooooorrible trade. We gave up Waaaaay to much.
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
8:15 pm
Rumeal Robinson, Dan Dickau, Salim Stoudamire, Acie Law, Jeff Teague, Mike Bibby… after all that, I damn sure welcome Kirk Hinrich…
Rev in Tampa
February 23rd, 2011
8:15 pm
I would have given up three players just to get Bibby off our hands, however, I am very disappointed that Jordan Crawford was part of the deal. He will be a very good player once he gets to develop his game.
The move was necessary because the team had so completely imploded these past several games, but it is not a move that will push the Hawks up the standings.
This is, as Big Ray might say, a reactionary move rather than proactive decision.
I do hope to see Teague get more playing time tonight – maybe even a start.
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
8:16 pm
teague gets to start tonight hopefully
Todd
February 23rd, 2011
8:17 pm
I don’t like the trade too many players for 2 people need to get rid of Josh Smith he does not play with a motivation he throws in the towel too early in some games find someone that is going to play all the way to the end of the game
Ainab
February 23rd, 2011
8:17 pm
bad move to give up 1st round pick but better point gaurd on defense
Josh
February 23rd, 2011
8:17 pm
My thinking is the reason they are unloading so much is because they are not done trading. I have heard on the wires that the Hawks and Nuggets have been in talks with the Hawks getting Nene. Crossing my fingers this is true.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
February 23rd, 2011
8:17 pm
I would have love Bibby firing away off the bench but alas GOODBYE.
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
8:17 pm
why u gotta bring rumeal in to this?? lmao
Jae Evolution
February 23rd, 2011
8:18 pm
I’m just curious who you guys think would start rather than Teague?
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
8:18 pm
WHO CARES if we gave up a 1st? This team has no idea how to draft
Andre
February 23rd, 2011
8:19 pm
With Bibby unavailable for tonight, Teague really should start, but being that L.D. is such a fool, he will most likely start Jamal at the point. Terrible idea, but to each their own.
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
8:19 pm
more trades more trades
bye josh for 3, ha ha, joKe, who else
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
8:19 pm
Jeff teague will have a career night tonight as our starter
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:19 pm
“Rumeal Robinson, Dan Dickau, Salim Stoudamire, Acie Law, Jeff Teague, Mike Bibby… after all that, I damn sure welcome Kirk Hinrich…”
Sad thing is you didn’t even get to Jacque Vaughn, Tyronn Lue, Royal Ivey, and Anthony Johnson.
Am
February 23rd, 2011
8:20 pm
Garbage…what is your profession? Obviously you’re not a gm. Prove we could have gotten Deron Williams. The Nets gave a younger pg, higher talented PF, and a higher 1st. On top of that, you don’t know the financials of the deal. Why would the Jazz take our deal over the Nets? Think before you post something back. This isn’t your video game in your moms basement…..it’s real life.
TruthSeeker
February 23rd, 2011
8:20 pm
Too much to give up for what we got. Hinrich is an improvement, but he’s not a big enough improvement to make this team a factor in the East.
I’ll give Sund some credit for at least doing something finally, but it’s not enough.
JM
February 23rd, 2011
8:21 pm
Would have preferred to keep Bibby for the bench when we needed clutch shooting, but a change had to happen. Let’s see if it workds.
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
8:21 pm
Regardless of what you might think of his talents, one thing Hinrich brings is some much needed toughness. Anybody else remember him running Rondo right into the table on the sidelines during the playoffs. Rondo SHOULD have gotten a tech for throwing an elbow. Hinrich gets in the heads of those he guards.
Can’t wait for some of that.
EmirS.
February 23rd, 2011
8:21 pm
I guess all of us will be paying very close attention to the Wizards now eh?
I don’t dislike this trade at all. Even with the first rounder gone. We’ve improved our perimeter defense, got rid of Bibby and his contract and got rid of Mo Evans. Now you have to think about it. Now that Mo Evans is gone, we need to find another guard/forward to replace him.
I’d hate to say this….but dont be suprised that if within the next 18 hours….rumors of Josh Smith getting dealt start to swirl around.
Brandon from Warner Robins
February 23rd, 2011
8:22 pm
Jeff Teague is in fact starting tonight from MC via twitter.
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
8:22 pm
LD talks about guys being comfortable with each other. It all starts with Bibby. This team is happy with Bibby at PG because he’s fun to be around. He DOES NOT win us game though.
DID NOT win us games.
Good riddance.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:22 pm
MC tweets that Teague is getting the start.
Please, please, please take advantage of this opportunity Jeff.
Sund is in attendance to observe. Teague played decent minutes in yesterday’s game against the Lakers in garbage time.
If Teague impresses, maybe it spurs Sund to deal Jamal and expiring deals (the Hawks still have Powell, Etan, and Hilton Armstrong) for some legitimate help at SF or C.
myrak43
February 23rd, 2011
8:22 pm
Garbage Point Guards we could not have gotten D. Williams with this package!!! are you serious??? LOL
tls
February 23rd, 2011
8:22 pm
@Point Guard
Could’ve given up the same and got Deron Williams??? Come on! Favors was #3 pick in draft and solid rotational player as rookie. Crawford was # 25 or so and barely saw the floor. And Harris is much better PG than Jamal- why else would we want him? And our #1 pick will be about 20 slots lower than NJs. No way we could have gotten Williams without giving up Jamal and Smoove, and Utah probably would not want Smoove.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
8:23 pm
D. A. lives in DC ..
says Hilton Armstrong has played well this year.. particularly help defense.. if he sits ZaZa down im happy.. if he can finish with a dunk every now and then, that will be great as well..
Josh
February 23rd, 2011
8:23 pm
Player wise this is a lateral move. We got no better and lost a rookie with a lot of potential. The fact that we just gave up a 1st round pick along with the lateral player move makes this a bad trade.
Jackson
February 23rd, 2011
8:23 pm
I sure hope that Josh gets traded. Preferably for a starting center. I would love that.
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
8:24 pm
The thing I love the most about Hinrich is that he is feisty. He and Rondo REALLY got into it 2 years ago in the Playoffs. He has been in other altercations too. We need more players who will be a-holes out there, commit hard fouls, and make this team tougher. Don’t be surprised if Hinrich gets into a fight with a teammate in an intense practice soon
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
8:24 pm
“I generally don’t like giving up first round picks and young talent on rookie contracts either, but as bad as Sund is at drafting and as bad as Hawks coaches are at player development, I doubt the Hawks would have got anything meaningful out of Jordan or the first rounder anyway.” – Najeh
Co-sign. Sad, but likely very true.
SWAT Native
February 23rd, 2011
8:24 pm
The crew on NBA TV is giving this trade a good grade. Yeah, the Hawks gave up a lot, but I’m glad that they didn’t give up Jamal Crawford. I hope they can keep find a way to keep him long-term.
Bibby may be past his prime, but I appreciate the contribution he made to the Hawks. I think he made them a solid playoff team. Wish we had gotten him five years younger.
N.D.T.K.A.
February 23rd, 2011
8:24 pm
Amen Brothers, my prayers have been answered! Soooo long Mike Bibby and don’t let the door hit ya from where the Lord split ya!
Hinrich is a team guy and a real point guard with adequate defense.
Hate that we got rid of JC2 but the Hawks don’t develop talent that well anyway!!
Nice big in Hilton Armstrong who can defend and rebound from the center position. Sooo long to Mo Evans who was an okay player.
I’ll take it, nice move Hawks.
Am
February 23rd, 2011
8:25 pm
I’m sure Garbage pg is like 9 years old…..
Vaseline Anyone?
February 23rd, 2011
8:25 pm
Im afraid the Hawks got done on this one. Hinrich is a good spot player, and will improve the defense over Bibby, but the Hawks gave up WAY too much here.
F@#KTHEHAWKS.org
February 23rd, 2011
8:25 pm
I Like the trade as long as they sign Jamal Crawford to an extension. If they do that than our team is what it is. Hinrich is an upgrade and I just happy the Hawks made a move at the position that was costing us the MOST! Jeff Teague is the future, he just needs to get a more consistent jump shot and a little more confidence and he will be a beast. Hinrich is a Above Average Point who will fit the bill perfectly and he also can play a little D. Mike Bibby is a back up Point at this point in his career, so If the ASG resigns JAMAL CRAWFORD, This Is a good trade, if they let Jamal Crawford LEAVE than All I GOTTA SAY IS, “F@#K THE HAWKS!” But I am happy they made a move! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!
Ken Strickland
February 23rd, 2011
8:26 pm
NAJEH-This trade signals the ASG and Sund’s committment to developing JTeague, whether LDrew is or not. With Bibby gone, and JaCrawford on an expiring contract, it looks like it will be Hinrich and Teague after this season. It also tells me that LDrew, like Woodson, shares the same stupid bias for vet PG’s and against young PG’s.
Otherwise, why not go for the younger, quicker, faster, and much cheaper RSessions, who would have provided us with a long term PG solution? At any rate, this is a much better option than having LDrew continue to foolishly rely so heavily on MBibby and JCrawford as our solution at PG.
I also think his 3pt range and accuracy was the deciding factor in choosing to trade for Hinrich over RSessions.
rak
February 23rd, 2011
8:26 pm
Hinrich is not much of an upgrade vs Bibby, not sure about this.
pro…Atlanta made a move
con….not really much of an upgrade
darrell starks
February 23rd, 2011
8:26 pm
Excellent trade for the hawks, i see a lot of negative comments about this trade but 2 be truthful this was a good trade, with no other point guards out there hinrich was the best option out there.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
Dawg A
February 23rd, 2011
8:26 pm
Since the ones of the ASG that can read are known to read these posts…… please be sure you understand what I am saying!!!! Sale the team and don’t destroy it in the meantime!!!! PLEASE!!!!!
Reid Adair
February 23rd, 2011
8:27 pm
This is a disaster for the Hawks. Basically four for two … and Hinrich is not that much better than Bibby.
But, hey, what a shock with the Hawks’ ownership, huh?
i_am_soulstar
February 23rd, 2011
8:27 pm
Can’t believe we gave them a first round pick. That blows. But with a line up of Hinrich, JJ, Marvin, Smoove, and Horford, I’m guessing the Hawks will become one of the pretty good defensive teams in the league. Improving our perimeter defense is gonna work wonders for this team.
Andre
February 23rd, 2011
8:27 pm
Guys, one thing that you may be ignoring here is that fact that people seem to be assuming that Hinrich will immediately be our starting PG. With L.D. as head coach, don’t be so sure. Armstrong may never even dress for games (the Etan Thomas role), and Hinrich may come off of the bench since L.D. like Jamal so much and hates Teague. It seems like common sense to start Kirk at the PG, and most coaches would, but we are talking about L.D. here. His decision making has been way beyond questionable at this point.
Oh, and I also heard about how well Armstrong has played defensively, but keep in mind that that doesn’t mean he will get minutes, or that he will play more minutes than someone like Zaza. L.D. has shown us throughout the season that he prefers offense over defense and that he does not reward players he doesn’t like with minutes for great defensive play. Just don’t get your hopes up because you might be in for some big disappointment.
Nookah
February 23rd, 2011
8:27 pm
It is indeed very very difficult to be a Hawks fan!! Is this to be interpreted as saying our management thinks our problem was only at the PG spot?
The Hawks are a perfect case study.
Bring on the baseball season!!
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
8:28 pm
Getting rid of Bibby is a brilliant move. Got rid of Mo’s whiny overrated 4ss too.
Not we finally can play Damien more minutes and hopefully he can guard bigtime players (he should’ve been on Kobe last night).
Is another trade in the works? Get a CENTER
dashizz357
February 23rd, 2011
8:28 pm
Blame this on Woody too! Sund doesn’t know what he’s doing!
Luv 2 Hate Me
February 23rd, 2011
8:28 pm
Man what are the Hawks smoking. Man they went from the oven to the damn skillet. They really suck. I demand the GM to step down!
bjrufino
February 23rd, 2011
8:28 pm
nice move, we will have a good defender at PG, he hope bibby the best
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
8:28 pm
MC, just tweeted that Teague will start tonight.
bjrufino
February 23rd, 2011
8:29 pm
we wis bibby all the best
darrell starks
February 23rd, 2011
8:29 pm
BIBBY KEPT THE HAWKS HANDICAP, HINRICH IS MUCH BETTER THAN BIBBY WHO GAVE THIS TEAM NOTHING.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
i_am_soulstar
February 23rd, 2011
8:29 pm
Also Kirk is a very intense player. There’s a reason they call him Captain Kirk. He’ll be great in the locker room, there’s no doubt. Maybe he can get the Hawks to grow up.
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8:29 pm
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Sleepy
February 23rd, 2011
8:30 pm
Marvin to the bench is gonna be whats coming
AL
Josh
Joe
jamal
Hinrich
with Marvin,Teague and either Armstrong,Twin,Zaza as the 3rd key performer .
juansamuel
February 23rd, 2011
8:30 pm
I don’t know why anyone would have a problem with this trade. This makes us better as a team. So we give up a 1st round pick in the 20s and last year’s 1st rounder. I don’t care. There has been no indication that JordanC will be a difference maker.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
8:30 pm
you dont trade your starting pg for a pg and not start the new guy..
C’mon Son.
Ms. Jones
February 23rd, 2011
8:30 pm
“Wonder if we are going to move marvin” ?
NO! Nobody wants to take on that salary. We’re stuck with Marvin the “Duck”
Ken Strickland
February 23rd, 2011
8:31 pm
QUESTION: With Bibby being traded, he certainly won’t play in tonights gm. So, does that mean JTeague will replace him in tonights gm?
OldTimer
February 23rd, 2011
8:31 pm
The next time somebody cares will be the first time.
Just ask Jeff and Mark.
i_am_soulstar
February 23rd, 2011
8:31 pm
well that and he’s always been named a captain with the Bulls, but there’s a reason why he’s been named a captain 4 times.
roderic
February 23rd, 2011
8:32 pm
the hawks are idiots i wouldnt even trade jordan straight up for kirk!
Garbage Point Guards
February 23rd, 2011
8:32 pm
AM
You are another delusional hawks fan that is satisfied with kirk hinrich but when is benched for teague, what will you say then
cheshire
February 23rd, 2011
8:32 pm
Does the ASG make moves like this and actually think this makes anyone believe they’re willing to compete for a championship?
SB
February 23rd, 2011
8:34 pm
now we need to get rid of hinrich and marvin. and try to get NENE and Aaron Brooks in ATLANTA… WE NEED A TRUE CENTER…
questioner
February 23rd, 2011
8:34 pm
Atlanta has a Basketball team? And how many championship have they won? When something bother you, what do you do? Ignore it an move on.
That is what I did long ago.
darrell starks
February 23rd, 2011
8:34 pm
Why should the hawks worry about a first round pick that going 2 be late between 24-32 that will not help this team at all, lets face it draft picks there are 20 and above 90percent are bust, and when was the last time the hawks draft in the late round and the player was good, NEVER.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Percy
February 23rd, 2011
8:34 pm
This might work. To win in the NBA you got to have a true big man in the paint. Now Al Hordford can can play his nature position power forwad.The Hawks have to model their team to the style of play in the NBA to be sucessful.
Suckers!!
February 23rd, 2011
8:35 pm
Hawks got punked for that 1st pick because they waited till the trade deadline to make a move..
W/E
February 23rd, 2011
8:35 pm
TERRIBLE TRADE. Hinrich has been overrated for years, brings better D than Bibby, but he’s not the shooter Bibby is. SO what’s the gain? giving up Jordan Crawford AND a 1st-round pick. Hell make me GM and I’ll do it for 1/10 the salary of Sund and come up with a better roster staying under the salary cap as well.
shane
February 23rd, 2011
8:35 pm
great trade huge upgrade on defense
Miko
February 23rd, 2011
8:35 pm
I wish they would have given Jordan a shot. We gave up too much for these guys.
Thanks.
The404list.com
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
8:35 pm
“TEAGUE HAS BEEN GIVING A CHANCE!” THANK YOU!
Watching Quietly
February 23rd, 2011
8:36 pm
All of you second guessing couch potatoes are a dime a dozen. The proof is in the pudding. Let’s all check back at the end of the season and judge the Hawks trade as well as the idiot couch potatoes who have nothing better to do than post their mindless and thoughtless opinions on the AJC blogs. The average blog poster on the AJC blogs must have very low IQs.
shane
February 23rd, 2011
8:37 pm
clutch shooter too
James
February 23rd, 2011
8:37 pm
Cant believe they traded Crawford and not Teague. Guess there we no takers.When They lose Jamal Crawford who will step up and score.And they give up a first round pick? Would rather have seen them trade Joe Johnson but I guess no other team will take on his crazy contract..
Will
February 23rd, 2011
8:37 pm
I actually have less of a problem with this than most, although I’d like to see the full financial numbers of the deal. Let’s face it, Bibby’s contract/production level meant it was time for him to go. Our best chance is to have a team that works hard and smart and hopefully becomes something we can be proud of despite wins and losses because we can’t compete with other elite teams. We’re too good to get lottery picks so we’re stuck in NBA purgatory…If only our coaches could develop players. Next up: Marvin Williams (pleeeeaaaase!)
Al
February 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm
Bad deal … giving away a first round pick for a Hinrich.
Kendal the ATL sports fan
February 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm
Now we need to get rid of jamal crawford for Romon Session. Hinirich is a quality back up. If we pull off this trade, the hawks gets a young point guard and a quality back up for his defensive presence.
Joe Roo
February 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm
TRADE 4 CAMBY!!!
Mike
February 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm
I think there is any other trade coming up right now, and I think that it will come from GS.
Reggie
February 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm
You guys are way over board about a late round draft pick……name me one person not named Al Horford or Josh Smith the Hawks drafted in the first round in the last ten years who was a real impact player for the Hawks….don’t worry i will wait
Bk Fiinest
February 23rd, 2011
8:39 pm
Melo to the Knicks… Nuff said
dell706
February 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm
Would have rather had Sessions and Harris for Teague and Evans….able to keep Bibby who can shoot and Sessions is a underrated player and Harris gone be good too and he 6′5 and can play point like he did at Michigan
UGASlobberknocker
February 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm
I dont get this trade. I want the Hawks to do something, but this seems like a wash at best. not worried about the draft pick..it is prob a late teen pick which usually doesnt produce a starter..and the hawks blow their pick every yr anyway. And Bibby was going downhill, but I dont know that much about Hinrich..seems like an average player in the few times I have seen him.
Are there some hidden contract advantages that I am not seeing, or is this just doing something just to be doing something?
I would have rather given up a better player or two for Deron Williams..I would have given the Jazz Bibby, either Horford or Smith, and any other starter or two bench players they wanted..plus picks.Do you think the Jazz would have done that?
Bertie
February 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm
Like the trade, makes the team better with a “PG” that can actually play defense and is a good shooter. The Hawks gave up 2 valuable assets, JC2 and a late 1st, one was for Hinrich and the other payment to the Wizs for eating Bibby’s salary next year.
darrell starks
February 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm
STARTER HINRICH, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, COLLINS
BENCH JAMAL, DAMIEN, MARVIN, ZAZA, ARMSTRONG
RESERVE TEAGUE, POWELL
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
dell706
February 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm
They should try to get Nene bad…..maybe for Marvin and somebody…maybe Zaza
JTO
February 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm
Any chance we could still land a quality big for Jamal or Marvin?
Greg
February 23rd, 2011
8:41 pm
Hawks get rid of dead weight and add dead weight. What is the point? Hinrich isn’t going to make the rest of the team better. He’s not a difference maker. Period. At least we got rid of Bibby. Now get rid of Marvin. These guys are so stale it’s pathetic.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:41 pm
“Hinrich has been overrated for years, brings better D than Bibby, but he’s not the shooter Bibby is. ”
Hinrich and Bibby have the exact same 3 point percentage for their careers. 37.9%. Bibby shoots slightly better overall for his career, but Hinrich shoots better overall this year. They have almost identical A/T ratios for their careers as well.
Offensively, I doubt that this improves the Hawks all that much. Defensively, I think it is an enormous improvement. Short term, the Hawks should be better. Long term, they still need a solution for the point guard position.
Mike W
February 23rd, 2011
8:42 pm
Glad we made a move,of cousre everybody not going to like all trades every team do. With the way hawks been playing lately i was hoping a move was coming to get things started, I wouldnt be suprised how the team improves with kirk at PG,just like we apporved on beating the Magics this season by just adding collins at center against Magics.Sund is forincg LD HAND to play teague. Teague getting the start is just a sign
What?
February 23rd, 2011
8:42 pm
This is the stupidest trade in HAWKS history. Who’s the GM
hawks_4_life
February 23rd, 2011
8:42 pm
Hmmmm I wonder if the plan was to showcase bibby to trade him all along
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:43 pm
“I would have rather given up a better player or two for Deron Williams..I would have given the Jazz Bibby, either Horford or Smith, and any other starter or two bench players they wanted..plus picks.Do you think the Jazz would have done that?”
No.
Short of giving them both Smoove AND Horford, I don’t think Utah would have taken anything the Hawks had to offer over Harris, Favors, and two first rounders (at least one of which will likely be in the lottery).
Garbage Point Guards
February 23rd, 2011
8:43 pm
I would rather have Felton and Nene than these two rejects
jason
February 23rd, 2011
8:43 pm
finnally!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:43 pm
“Hmmmm I wonder if the plan was to showcase bibby to trade him all along”
Plan? You give the Hawks’ brass way too much credit.
darrell starks
February 23rd, 2011
8:43 pm
LD now there is no excuse to keep horford at powerforward,
ZAZA, COLLINS, ARMSTRONG, can all rotate at center.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dept. of Unintended Irony
February 23rd, 2011
8:43 pm
“The average blog poster on the AJC blogs must have very low IQs”
Gee, our bloggers must be really smart if they each have more than one IQ.
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
8:44 pm
Hinrich shoots 38% from 3 and defensive intensity 150% of what bibby brought
Truth
February 23rd, 2011
8:45 pm
Larry Drew never has any facial expressions. It kinda creeps me out.
hot err
February 23rd, 2011
8:45 pm
Reeks of desperation.
Joe Roo
February 23rd, 2011
8:45 pm
Trade 4 Camby
Mr. C
February 23rd, 2011
8:45 pm
The Hawks got rid off Jordan Crawford, Bibby,Evans and the first round pick so that they can pay Jamal Crawford. I wish you guys could think ahead! Where would the Hawks be without JAMAL CRAWFORD. There is no one in the draft this year!
Ken Strickland
February 23rd, 2011
8:45 pm
Anyone that says KHinrich isn’t much of an upgrade over MBibby obviously suffers from a very limited basketball insight. KHinrich plays DEF, and that alone makes him a big upgrade over Bibby. No more zones or defensive gimmicks to try and hide Bibby’s DEF deficiencies.
Hinrich’s solid DEF will allow everyone to play his assigned man, which will allow us to better defend the perimeter. His outside shooting, as well as his willingness and ability to penetrate, makes us much more versatile, both offensive and defensively. He still has enough speed and quickness to allow us to play uptempo and be a fastbreaking team. He also has more stamina and and energy.
There’s no way anyone can realistically say he isn’t much of an upgrade over Bibby and have a clue about what they’re saying.
Dawg A
February 23rd, 2011
8:46 pm
Mindless and thoughtless opinions and very low IQ’s and being on an island by themselves equals……………. WATCHING QUIETLY!!!
superiorblogman
February 23rd, 2011
8:46 pm
The team is not improved. The team just went back to how they were when Bibby first got to the Hawks because his number were 15 pt 5 ast, if Kirk plays great he will give you that but they are not improved. Bibby’s decline will be shown to not be the major problem just like Woody has been shown to not be the major problem. The major problem is the one referred to as Smoove.
K.W.
February 23rd, 2011
8:46 pm
Jeff Teague vs. Steve Nash (*help*)
hawks_4_life
February 23rd, 2011
8:47 pm
NAJEH
I GIVE THEM NO CREDIT, JUST TRYING TO FIND THE LOGIC…..SOMETHING TO BE SAID OF QUALITY OVER QUANTITY
Dept. of Unintended Irony
February 23rd, 2011
8:47 pm
“This is the stupidest trade in HAWKS history. Who’s the GM”
enough said
I thought Marvin would be gone by the time I woke up
February 23rd, 2011
8:48 pm
Purely a PR trade for the stans.But, I understand, it is a business and the Hawks are so poorly equipped to do any serious damage-too many contracts no one else will take. But, is there really no team that can take on Marvin’s contract for whatever junk they have to offer.
ATl
February 23rd, 2011
8:48 pm
If this is the best we can do, we dont need to ever trade again. This is crap. Im mad as you know what. We now have four centers. E. Thomas, Armstrong, Collins and Za Za. And if you have four centers you have no centers. Jordan Crawford and Wall are about to ball.
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Freshfromatl
February 23rd, 2011
8:49 pm
Lmao!!!! Who knew Bibby had so many fans?
UGASlobberknocker
February 23rd, 2011
8:49 pm
If nothing else maybe this will shake the Hawks out of their lackadaisical funk. but that starts with the coach and I just don’t see the leadership and fire out of Drew that I want to see.
But Ive been attending Hawks games since 1968..I’m used to disappointment. Maybe the Hawks should go back to playing in the dark like when they played at Tech back in the pre Omni days. they were good then.
Mr. Mojo
February 23rd, 2011
8:49 pm
I think the deal helps us now. Hinrich is a very good perimeter defender and also distibutes the ball well. I dont think its a big upgrade over Bibby but for what we need it helps us. As for the rest of the players I dont like giving Jordan and a 1st in that deal. I would of gave one or the other but not both. I just think with superstar players getting traded around the league you need to hold onto 1st rd picks and not trade them in a deal like this. You never know if something can come your way but the Hawks are incapable of making a good move anyway. I wouldnt be surprised if Bibby is bought out by the Wizards and signs with the Heat.
SWEET PETE
February 23rd, 2011
8:49 pm
RealSquawk
February 23rd, 2011
8:02 pm
How do people so inept have so much money. I think I should stop paying so much attention to sports and try to make some money cause I can’t do anything sitting here. And I want a championship in ATlanta
I CANT SAY IT ANY BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF IS MANAGEMENT THINKIN?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:50 pm
I still haven’t given up on the idea of getting T-Mac.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6k4y4kd
Prince would immediately push Marvin at SF and provide quality depth, and T-Mac would replace a huge chunk of Jamal’s scoring. Hawks trade one good bench player and get two good bench players.
hawks_4_life
February 23rd, 2011
8:50 pm
ITS TEAGUES TEAM NOW
Freshfromatl
February 23rd, 2011
8:50 pm
Are people seriously saying Hinrich isn’t an upgrade over Mike Bibby?!?
O'Brien
February 23rd, 2011
8:51 pm
I am glad we got Hinrich. I wish we could have kept Jordan though. Unless Rick believes he can resign Jamal under a new CBA.
Has anyone checked what our salary cap will be next year (after the deals are finalized).
Was No 24 traded?
February 23rd, 2011
8:51 pm
Is there any truth to my dream that FINALLY,
DHD
February 23rd, 2011
8:52 pm
To the people who are saying it reeks of desperation….HECK YEAH…we’re all desperate. Otherwise, we do NOTHING. The only thing I hate is losing the first pick, although, we usually screw that up every year. I’m glad we kept Teague and Jamal….so far.
I agree about making one more deal. Armstrong is not going to play. We need another big man. So, let’s make another deal.
UGASlobberknocker
February 23rd, 2011
8:52 pm
ITS TEAGUES TEAM NOW
That says it all
EmirS.
February 23rd, 2011
8:53 pm
“Lmao!!!! Who knew Bibby had so many fans?”
Yea where the hell is all of this coming from??
I think people are overexaggerating everything. This is’nt a bad trade at all. What have you lost? Honestly…what have you lost that’s so vital to future of the Hawks?
(Besides possible JC2?)
vava74
February 23rd, 2011
8:53 pm
Najeh,
“Prince would immediately push Marvin at SF and provide quality depth”
Are you serious? Prince WOULD START, not provide depth.
jp
February 23rd, 2011
8:53 pm
great move, love it. Even though Devin Harris would’ve been better
atlchris
February 23rd, 2011
8:53 pm
I love the trade. Now we can trade Marvin and Jamal to New Orleans and get Chris Paul. We should look a place that he can see him fitting in to contend for his championship goals. Where else would he rather be than Atlanta? We are closer to a championship with him here, than NO is with him there.
ATL
February 23rd, 2011
8:53 pm
LOL at anybody complaining about this trade. Hinrich>>>Bibby. All that matters. Mo sucks, Jo Craw was not getting any playing time, the 1st is just irrelevant.
Great move. For us to get a major upgrade over Bibby without giving up ANY assets is a great deal for us.
Peter
February 23rd, 2011
8:53 pm
Well Bibby gone is good, now Softy Marvin would be next !
welikebaseball2
February 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm
I don’t understand the debate about whether Hinrich is an upgrade over Bibby. I think most would agree that he is, at least, a defensive upgrade. However, I don’t think it’s ENOUGH of an upgrade at the point guard position to make up for our need for a center or to justify forfeiting essentially 2 1st round picks (Jordan Crawford & the ‘11 1st rounder).
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm
Alternately, the Hawks could trade Jamal and filler to Sac-Town for Dalembert, who would provide quality depth inside, and Luther Head, who is basically a scrub but who could provide some scoring if necessary.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6h9mzj9
I’m trying to restrict myself to players whose contracts expire this season.
Juan
February 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm
Can I keep that huge Bibby poster that’s at Philips Arena right now?
tony
February 23rd, 2011
8:56 pm
The facilitator CAPTAIN KIRK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUD9p9awoog
jason
February 23rd, 2011
8:56 pm
they shouldn’t have given up jc2. But its good to get a shooter/assists guy like heinrich. I like we get a big in the trade.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:56 pm
“Are you serious? Prince WOULD START, not provide depth.”
You’re right. I stand corrected. In a logical world, he would start. LD’s world is not necessarily always a logical one, though.
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
8:57 pm
Bibby didn’t even score a point last night. BYE!
Halsey
February 23rd, 2011
8:57 pm
Why are people acting like the Hawks gave up something. Nothing they gave up was of any value. If Heinrich is just a little better than Bibby, good trade.
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
8:57 pm
GET EM TEAGUE
atlchris
February 23rd, 2011
8:58 pm
Jordan Crawford and Wall can possibly be something special. That is why we need to make the trade for Paul.
vava74
February 23rd, 2011
8:58 pm
OB,
We will need to off load contracts since Hinrich earns 3 million more than Bibby and with Al’s contract kicking in, we will be over or on the new caps limit.
Basically after the trade we have roughly 2 million more in total salaries next year.
kral
February 23rd, 2011
8:59 pm
hope this works for the better
darrell starks
February 23rd, 2011
8:59 pm
EVERY ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO THERE OPINION BUT DAM, HOW CAN ANYONE SAY THIS IS NOT AND UPGRAED, bibby avg 3 asst a game plus no defense,
COM ON MAN!!!!!!!
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
pinoy hawk
February 23rd, 2011
8:59 pm
I just hope the wizards trade bibby to sacramento next season so that mike would retire as a Kings…
cowbulls
February 23rd, 2011
8:59 pm
The trade doesn’t address the big problem. The best two players on the team by far are both PF and neither should be playing anywhere near big minutes at another position. Playing Horford out of position at C isn’t fair to him. Smith shooting 3’s is a nightmare.
JJ is a candidate for most over paid player in the league. JJ just isn’t a superstar and is at best a third option on a top 4 or 5 team. We all know he disappears when teams decide to play defense in the playoffs. Marvin Williams was a terrible pick then and an even worse pick today.
It’s time to blow up the team and rebuild. I don’t understand how with such a vibrant black community that signing free agents for the Hawks is such a problem.
Mantis
February 23rd, 2011
9:00 pm
I personally think that ASG is intentionally running the Atlanta Hawks franchise into the ground, so that they can have an excuse to sell it to another city.
Fundamentals
February 23rd, 2011
9:00 pm
Armstrong is a vet min player who is in a 1 year deal. That means we took on 1.7 million for Hinrich next year and saved a few $$ this year?
How about picking up TJ Ford when he’s bought out to shore up the PG slot on the cheap like ASG likes it? Seriously, we’d have to PG’s who could penetrate and play better D than we had? Not all bad?
Question is can Armstrong show any of the promise he showed as a defensive player of the year in college? Long shot, but he’s gone if we don’t like him most likely in May when our season ends early.
beone
February 23rd, 2011
9:00 pm
A very nice move. Thank goodness for the posters who understand the NBA, K Strickland, N Davenpoop and a few others. Most of the posters tonight simply have no clue.
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
February 23rd, 2011
9:00 pm
I’ll take Hinrich over Bibby.
Two Questions:
1. Is Hilton better than Zaza??? Will he replace him in the rotation??
2. Do you good folks think we’re finished dealing?
Smeeze
February 23rd, 2011
9:01 pm
I would think we could get much better for 2 of those players and a 1st. Maybe if Mcgee would have been in the trade rather than Armstrong but still that would be a quality streak. At least the hawks are trying
richbrave
February 23rd, 2011
9:01 pm
I’ll give you folks my take on this trade if you want to hear it. Otherwise, GO BRAVES!
Big Al
February 23rd, 2011
9:01 pm
Hey guys, Who knows what Hinrich’s contract is like? Does it expire at end of year?
Thanks.
KevinM
February 23rd, 2011
9:02 pm
Simply put, the JC2 draft pick/trade was a waste. Joe resigned and JC1 is in front with no hope for JC2 to get minutes.
The Hawks lost nothing; draft picks at that level don’t mean much. It doesn’t mean we can’t go get another one.
I like the deal..anything to get us out of the JC1/Bibby combo.
And I agree, time to wipe the Marvin Williams draft pick away too! It can’t happen soon enough.
Glad to finally see Bibby go….and Teague may get a few minutes tonight. Larry sure didn’t look happy when discussing losing Bibby.
Fundamentals
February 23rd, 2011
9:02 pm
Hilton seemed to show promise in NO, but he had no chance behind Wiz bigs.
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9:02 pm
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FalconValueMeal
February 23rd, 2011
9:02 pm
Another 1st round draft pick out the window! ATLANTA SPIRIT PLEASE SELL THE HAWKS TOO!!!
GO FALCONS!!!!
Whatever
February 23rd, 2011
9:03 pm
Could’ve gotten excited about Harris or Felton, not this. What are we getting out of this, 52 wins and the 5th seed instead of 51 wins and the 5th seed?
The Game Has Changed
February 23rd, 2011
9:03 pm
If yall think Jeff Teague will get more playing time yall have lost yall mind. He will start tonight and maybe the next game. But if this trade was intended to help us Kirk is going to need a lot of playing time to get nsync with the team. Also Crawford time will increase
Rashod
February 23rd, 2011
9:04 pm
I have always been a hawks fan,but with this trade.I can’t be anymore.All with got was bench warmers.Not Deron Williams,Devin Harris or even sessions but Kirk.C’Mon Man.What is Rick Sund doing.Good bye Hawks fans !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ATL
February 23rd, 2011
9:04 pm
so…many…*ehem* misguided opinions.
ben marko
February 23rd, 2011
9:04 pm
BOTTOM LINE: This trade marginally improves this hawks team…Not a good move unless these are simply more pieces that we are using to trade…HIGHLY doubtful though because there two good pg’s have already been traded. Not only did we trade a first round pick for an average player but we also traded a rookie who had promise and wasn’t played much. Basically, we traded 2 1st round picks for Hinrich= Not good!
atlchris
February 23rd, 2011
9:05 pm
How can cow bulls actually suggest this team should be blown up? This team is right there at the top of the East! With the right commitment from ownership we can make the neccesary trade.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:05 pm
Here’s another Jamal trade possibility that would help the Hawks:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=46cd34q
Grant Hill is at least as effective as Marvin, and Pietrus is a solid wing defender who can knock down the 3 and has shown an ability to get to the free throw line in the past. As with the previous two trades I posted, both players are expiring. Siler has to be thrown in to make the numbers work, though, and he’s signed through next season.
John Vallely to Marvin
February 23rd, 2011
9:05 pm
The Hawks just made themselves a better team Anyone would be better than MB at point. Now, finish the deal and trade Marvin.
Rufus1
February 23rd, 2011
9:06 pm
The Hole is Closed….
The hole in our defense has been Slammed SHUT!!!… Defense wins Championships!!!! Hilton Armstrong, is a more athletic version of Zaza, except Hiltons BLOCKS SHOTS!!!!!
Hilton might be the starting center in 2 weeks….I LOVE THIS TRADE!!!!
Kirk may be the BEST ON BALL DEFENSIVE PG IN THE GAME. He is a leader, a good 3pt shooter and tough as nails.
GREAT JOB SUND….Thanks for saving LD from himself, buy trading Bibby.
Isaiah Rider
February 23rd, 2011
9:07 pm
I need a job !
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
9:07 pm
richbrave,
Love to hear your take. Thanks.
EmirS.
February 23rd, 2011
9:07 pm
“I have always been a hawks fan,but with this trade.I can’t be anymore.”
Lol…..
Just wow lmao….
Keno
February 23rd, 2011
9:07 pm
Hinrich is an upgrade but giving up a first round pick is a HUGE mistake!
ben marko
February 23rd, 2011
9:07 pm
What has Rick Sund done since he’s been here? Draft Jeff Teague…Oh thats right our ownership group sucks! Imagine Arthur Blank as owner of the hawks…woooowww…
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
9:08 pm
agreed Rufus
good trade
now get rid of josh, zaza, others
Peter
February 23rd, 2011
9:08 pm
Well I just realized we gave up our #1 pick next year……Duhhhhhh not that the Hawks know how to draft……
Wow Sund is ridicules.
pinoy hawk
February 23rd, 2011
9:08 pm
any link for live streaming of hawks-suns game?
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:09 pm
Rich Brave..
u in DC right… speak to us..
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:10 pm
and go Braves
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
February 23rd, 2011
9:10 pm
I’m with what dude said earlier. When did Bibby get this many fans lol?
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
February 23rd, 2011
9:10 pm
I’m with what dude said earlier. When did Bibby get this many fans lol?
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
9:10 pm
gooooo teague!!!!!!!!
HWJ
February 23rd, 2011
9:10 pm
I’m done way to sell out for your fifth option on the trade market awful
The Truth
February 23rd, 2011
9:10 pm
The Wizards just Raped the Hawks
Mo Evens, Bibby, J.Crawford and a 1st round pick for Hinrich and Armstrong.
What a JOKE
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:10 pm
The only thing that makes me nervous about this trade is JC2.
I really think this kid could end up being pretty good. And just when he blossoms, I bet Hinrich will have fallen off.
Hinrich’s just Mike Bibby Jr., meaning he’s another stop-gap. He’s not even a true point. So, what this trade does is swap out Mike Bibby for a younger Mike Bibby with better defensive skills.
This move’s good if they can make something else happen, possibly ship Jamal.
Otherwise, you still have no true PG and two combo gaurds with JJ in the backcourt.
I’m hoping Teague makes Mike Bibby an after thought tonight though.
ben marko
February 23rd, 2011
9:10 pm
@ Rufus….your not too smart
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:11 pm
liking the demeanor of Kirk .. if he can bring grit and seriousness.. and keep the ball in the hands of the guys that need the rock.. im pleased.
run the team Kirk.. you’re a Hawk again..
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
9:11 pm
‘Stupid trade. 2 weeks ago if someone said we trade our 2010 and 2011 1st round picks for Kirk Hinrich you would say GetthePhuckOutofMyface, but not that “DumbSundofaGM”
LOL!!! Sund=Fail………………………………
atlchris
February 23rd, 2011
9:12 pm
I have to agree with a little thought, the 1st rd pick was a little much!
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
9:12 pm
Teague will have a career night tonight
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:12 pm
Let’s go Teague. This is the most important game of his career. I really hope he makes the most of it.
Rico Farmer
February 23rd, 2011
9:12 pm
Its Josh TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Him and Marvin Gaye Williams with two Waffles and 7 gas stations to be named later
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:12 pm
the Hawks should play faster..
mark
February 23rd, 2011
9:13 pm
always seem desperate, always making desperate moves. Oh, and Smoooove is a cancer. An exotic, colorful cancer, but a cancer.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:13 pm
see.. i dont want Josh w/ the ball..
and Teague doesnt even demand it ..
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:13 pm
lmao…
give him a few minutes…
that don’t count
craig
February 23rd, 2011
9:14 pm
Rumeal Robinson, Dan Dickau, Salim Stoudamire, Acie Law, Jeff Teague, Mike Bibby… after all that, I damn sure welcome Kirk Hinrich….. damn right Melvin, Good job hawks ; Now pick up Allen Iverson
Lionhearted
February 23rd, 2011
9:14 pm
damn teague lol
Texas Hawk
February 23rd, 2011
9:14 pm
What a PISS poor trade!!! What are these guys trying to keep fans out of the arena??? You dumb fools traded a marginal guard for another marginal guard and gave up out draft pick from this year!!!! Hinrich is not the answer for the HAWKS!!! WE needed a BIG man (CENTER, helloooooo)!!!!! I can’t believe this dumb trade!! Why not trade for for Deron Williams???? The dumb owners missed Deron Williams and Chris Paul in the draft and the are missing out on both of them again. WTF!!!!
O'Brien
February 23rd, 2011
9:14 pm
vava,
Good point. But at least we wont have the salary of a first round pick since we traded it away (which will probably save about $1.4 mil).
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:14 pm
Vince torches Joe.
EmirS.
February 23rd, 2011
9:15 pm
Someone send me a link to a streaming video of the game. The http://atdhe.me/ aint working.
ben marko
February 23rd, 2011
9:15 pm
Over/Under:
Will Jeff Teague make 1 jumpshot ton?? Anyone care to place your bet….
Lionhearted
February 23rd, 2011
9:15 pm
Yes Teague
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:15 pm
There ya go rook
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:15 pm
A steal, a dime to Horford, and a made 3 for Teague in the last two possessions.
Halsey
February 23rd, 2011
9:15 pm
Who cares about any Draft pick after the top 5-10. Very few picks in the 20s turn into anything. Useless Draft pick.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:16 pm
atdhenet.tv
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
9:16 pm
anyone got a hawks feed? nothings working
Manny
February 23rd, 2011
9:16 pm
Wait, we traded Mike Bibby, our first-round pick Jordan Crawford and Mo Evans for a marginal Hinrich and some guy named Armstrong that no one ever heard of? Oh, and we also gave up our first-round pick in 2011?
Hinrich is a shooting guard, right? He’s a 2-guard, not a one. And we gave up an old #1, a good future in Jordan Crawford and Mo Evans- plus our #1 draft pick for Kirk Hinrich. That just doesn’t sound right to me.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:16 pm
has enough handles..
keep going to the rim young fella!
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
9:16 pm
A steal and 3pt shot for Teague on one possesion… Pop Champagne
cp
February 23rd, 2011
9:17 pm
Nice steal and 3 by Teague
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
9:17 pm
LD Start Teague from now on Dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring Ham off the bench when he arrives………
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:17 pm
We couldn’t get rid of the duck?
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
9:18 pm
This is exactly why we need a Center
WHERE IS THE INTERIOR DEFENSE?
Stuart
February 23rd, 2011
9:18 pm
Bibby going is OK, but Jordan Crawford plus a pick for 2 ‘average-good but nowhere near great’ players… gave up too much. With Evans gone, we only have Marvin for the 3 spot really. Since Jordan was going to be the next Jamal, what happens if Jamal asks for too much money and we can’t sign him next year? Then we’re in a hole with not much scoring off the bench, if any, and we’re not going to get to use a pick to help remedy the situation.
Does the departure of Evens mean an appearance/playing time for Pape Sy at all?
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:18 pm
LMAO HORFORD
Nookah
February 23rd, 2011
9:18 pm
Just a FYI
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:18 pm
Al Horford BOSS
Wish he wouldn’t make that move so slowly though.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:18 pm
thats why he should play center. and like it.
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
9:18 pm
hawks like the trade!
let’s get the W here
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:18 pm
That Horford dunk reminds of what he did to Gortat last season against the Magic.
Same move.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:19 pm
that was a beautiful pass from Marvin..
ATL FAN
February 23rd, 2011
9:19 pm
So where is Bibby now lol is he in the building?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:20 pm
Oddly enough it’s the offense that looks better early with Teague replacing Bibby.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:20 pm
Hawks getting ate up on that pick and roll.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:20 pm
good catch and finish from Joe..
Nash is going to eat Jeff up.. but he’s playing well..
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:21 pm
Here’s the 6-minute-mark timeout, when LD will surely pull Teague out, bring Jamal and Zaza in, and all hell will break loose. Thank God he can’t bring in Mo today.
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
9:21 pm
Good start from Teague… We may to get Armstrong in here at halftime to slow down Lopez….
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
9:22 pm
anyone have a feed…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:22 pm
This trade would almost certainly require the Hawks to send their 2013 1st rounder to Houston (can’t trade 1st rounders in consecutive seasons, so the Hawks have to hang on to the 2012 pick)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=638yg2x
Wouldn’t help the Hawks get to the foul line, but Hinrich and Brooks would be a pretty formidable 1-2 punch at the point guard position, and Battier provides another quality wing defender.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:23 pm
in LA rolling 1 up..
Mike was over the hill and enjoying the NBA lifestyle.. rings became secondary as his game declined..
i fux w/ u tho Mike.. appreciate what you brought sir! Sac Town Mike was the truth!
i like
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
9:23 pm
Is there a more clever player in the league than Nash?
Maybe DWill, but Nash’s creativity is off the charts.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:23 pm
lewis, try this:
http://atdhenet.tv/34523/watch-atlanta-hawks-vs-phoenix-suns
ATL FAN
February 23rd, 2011
9:24 pm
Hawks responding to the trade and to not being traded
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:25 pm
Forgot all about Wilkins…
So we do have a backup to Marvin.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:25 pm
Marvin shows ball too much on his layup attempts.. thats why he’s always getting stripped/blocked
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:26 pm
Teague wasn’t that great checking Nash, but Jamal is getting eaten alive. The last two Frye 3’s have been a result of Jamal giving up dribble penetration.
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
9:26 pm
WHY IS JOSH STILL TAKING JUMPSHOTS?
EVEN AT THE 3 OR 4 HE STILL SHOOTS 3S
GOD
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:26 pm
left handed.. on the left side of the basket.. decides to pull up for 3.
drive hard!
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
9:27 pm
Najeh,
Sign me up all day for that trade.
cp
February 23rd, 2011
9:27 pm
Smh damn Teague out already? Let the damn kid play LD
Rashod
February 23rd, 2011
9:27 pm
How can u root for a team,thats trying to lose????????????
terrell
February 23rd, 2011
9:28 pm
1st rd pick and JC2? Damn, that seems like a lot for Kirk. Oh well. Good to know Sund is still alive.
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
9:28 pm
thx najeh, i had to be reminded that google chrome sucks for streaming and never displays the proper sh!t
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:28 pm
Nash would work wonders for this Hawks team. Damn. Who cares if his defense sucks.
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
9:28 pm
BRILLIANT TRADE, SUND
YOU GOT RID OF GARBAGE, UPGRADED AT PG, AND GOT HE HARDEST WORKING PLAYER ON THE TEAM (DAMIEN) MORE MINUTES
B+
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:29 pm
going to have to have that from Damien!!!
Justin
February 23rd, 2011
9:29 pm
Why does it feel like this trade does nothing for the organization? The Hawks are still in the same boat they were in before the trade. And to trade a first round pick like Bibby!
I hate to say it but the Hawks are still going to be just a mediocre team at best.
KnightInATL
February 23rd, 2011
9:29 pm
Where does this put the Hawks in relation to the projected salary cap for next year? Does this free up enough cash to go after an elite FA?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:29 pm
For the love of God quit leaving Frye open.
O'FreeWorld
February 23rd, 2011
9:30 pm
Why did we give up Jordan? They will regret it, but good for him. The Hawks will fall back to 6 in the East by 2012.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:31 pm
Smoove 2/4 so far, all jumpers. 2/4 is not bad at all, but can’t keep living at that hole. He’s doing a very good job setting up teammates with shots out of the post though.
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
9:31 pm
They look a lot better but Josh is still taking to many outside shots and need to help out on the glass.
NUNNA!!!
February 23rd, 2011
9:31 pm
Why is teague out so early?
O'Brien
February 23rd, 2011
9:32 pm
I’m glad Mo Evans is gone. At least Damien will get more minutes. I think Damien is a better SF than Mo Evans.
Hawks need to step up their defense though..
ole richie
February 23rd, 2011
9:32 pm
idk about this one folks, im scratching my head a bit…maybe it was to just get in some new faces
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:32 pm
Josh needs to drive tonight, im sorry. especially if the defense is going to crowd him.
CAPDude
February 23rd, 2011
9:32 pm
Whenver you dumb Hawk Fans learn the NBA Salary CAP, you will understand why they give up the 1st Round pick.. The Hawks basically shot themselves in the head when JJ got the contract. They had to get rid of the pick because they would not have been able to sign the player without going over the salary CAP… Dum dum Dummmmmmmmmmmm.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:32 pm
O’Brien
February 23rd, 2011
9:32 pm
“I’m glad Mo Evans is gone. At least Damien will get more minutes. I think Damien is a better SF than Mo Evans.”
Coooooooo-signnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:33 pm
why didnt Marvin drive? we shoot way too much!
duston
February 23rd, 2011
9:33 pm
I hate the Hawks, please move to another city with the Thrashers. Thanks!
Puzzled
February 23rd, 2011
9:33 pm
This deal should have been Bibby & Mo for Hinrich & Armstrong, at most add either JC2 or the 1st round pick. Hinrich is not that much better than Bibby, and Armstrong is just a filler, that will not get any playing time.
Now the Hawks have Collins, Powell, Thomas, & Zaza to keep the bench warm.
Let Teague stay in the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
9:34 pm
“This is exactly why we need a Center”
“WHERE IS THE INTERIOR DEFENSE?”
Rotating to guard the penetration. Nash routinely makes every defense in the league look bad.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:34 pm
Teague replaces Bibby, and the offense gets better while the defense gets worse. Go figure.
I hope he gets more minutes in this game though. At least let him get Bibby’s usual minutes. He was pretty good while he was on the floor.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:35 pm
I also notice Joe doesn’t get booed anymore by the Phoenix fans. Maybe they have transferred their hate over to Amare, or maybe to their owner.
Booo!
February 23rd, 2011
9:36 pm
Maaan F-LD!!! This is ALL his fault! We got SHAFTED in this deal! Not ONLY do we have to take on Hilton Armstrong’s trash contract (he’s a scrub too btw) but we also gave up Jordan Crawford?!!!!
F-YOU Larry DooDoo!!!
Damn idiot! Bibby shouldnt have enve been in the rotation! JT should have been starting with Jordan backing him up! Thank Goodness Sund had enough sense to hang on to Jeffrey.
Wath JC2 BLOW UP! It’s Gonna be Automatic! Him and John Wall are gonna be a NIGHTMARE to handle. smh smh!!!
I wanted to get rid of JC1 not 2…
chem
February 23rd, 2011
9:36 pm
Statistically Hinrich and Bibby are similar, but Maurice Evans, 2011 first rounder, and Crawford > Armstrong
jc
February 23rd, 2011
9:36 pm
This is the worst trade in NBA history………Hawks gave up too much for Hinrich……..plus he sucks! No wonder no one supports you. Bad management.
cp
February 23rd, 2011
9:36 pm
Jamal is absolutely horrific defensively
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
9:37 pm
Collins coming off the bench ahead of Zaza. I hope that continues.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:37 pm
Drew puts in Collins before Zaza?
Who would’ve thought?
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:37 pm
Collins shooting j’s.
Fundamentals
February 23rd, 2011
9:37 pm
The real question is what of the now vacant roster slot? Don’t judge the deal till that is filled? Possibly another trade? Maybe, how bout picking up a player who is waived in the next few?
I like Hinrich. Hats off to Bibby. Thank you for what you did for this team. Hinrich should show definite leadership, toughness and PERIMETER D!
Hawks Suck!
February 23rd, 2011
9:37 pm
So does Sund and M. Cunningham!
Hawks need a center not named Al Horford.
tommy
February 23rd, 2011
9:38 pm
I think its a great move. We get an improvement on the offensive and defensive end at point and extra depth in the front court. These are the two biggest issues this team has had in years. You get rid of Bibbys contract with a bench player that could be good in crawford but has no where to play consistantly here. the hawks upgraded at point without giving up any major pieces and the first round pick is going to be in the 20’s anyway where its really hard to get a contributing player anyway. I really like this deal.
ATL FAN
February 23rd, 2011
9:38 pm
cmon marvin those are the shots we need to knock down take your time man, good penetration by Teague
Taylor
February 23rd, 2011
9:38 pm
Watching Marvin Williams is painful
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:38 pm
Teague’s the only facilitator this team has.
NUNNA!!!
February 23rd, 2011
9:38 pm
Teague replaces Bibby, and the offense gets better while the defense gets worse. Go figure.
We need a true center who can play defense and get some rebounds in..He can just get garbage points like Wayne “Tree” Rollins did when he played.Someone who can man the blocks down low.And another scoring SF
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:39 pm
Marvin is who needed to be traded, and just have started Teague.
STRETCH
February 23rd, 2011
9:39 pm
Its a good deal. They needed a floor general that could play some D and they got it. Needed another big and got it. This team was full of SG’s anyway.
Now they are still Portland East until next year. Hopefully they get another big man!
P.A
February 23rd, 2011
9:39 pm
maybe they can make the young Hilton into a decent center and let Al play powerforward doubt it will help tho…
Fundamentals
February 23rd, 2011
9:39 pm
Still like the idea of a bought out Ford.
Can we trade our trash for a legit C prospect?
Puzzled
February 23rd, 2011
9:40 pm
Hawks’ front office is enept!
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:40 pm
good job Jeff damn kicking out for a jumper! shut up Nique.
JSS
February 23rd, 2011
9:41 pm
They are hunting expiring contracts again! Ugh!!!
STRETCH
February 23rd, 2011
9:41 pm
Can they now trade Marvin for ANYTHING?????
ATL FAN
February 23rd, 2011
9:41 pm
im loving Teague’s enthusiasm, guy just needs to keep playing and he’ll improve
Gracie hudson
February 23rd, 2011
9:41 pm
That’s stupid mike bibby was my favorite player.! Guess I’m watching the wizards now.
MsDee
February 23rd, 2011
9:42 pm
Josh, box out already!!
Fundamentals
February 23rd, 2011
9:42 pm
I’d rather have Hilton expiring than Mo? Maybe he’ll show some life. With Mo gone we’ll see alot more Damien which to me improves our D & rebounding.
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
9:42 pm
No ZaZa tonight. Is he about to be traded as well???
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:42 pm
im kinda liking Teagues game.
he’ll convert those with more PT
O'Brien
February 23rd, 2011
9:42 pm
Why is Teague not on Dragic?
And Orlando lost at home to Sacramento. I cant imagine Orlando not making a move by the deadline….A $90 mil payroll and they might finish 5th?
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
9:42 pm
The library is open late tonight, I see.
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
9:43 pm
Substitution patterns suck tonight. Teague looks good. Josh Smith need to hit the boards.
MsDee
February 23rd, 2011
9:44 pm
That’s one thing I like about Teague, he keeps attacking, weither he makes the lay-up or not..he tries to draw the foul. Acie would never keep attacking.
Lou
February 23rd, 2011
9:44 pm
How can anyone see this as any great improvement
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:45 pm
Teague = a mixture of Aaron Brooks/Rajon Rondo
It’s just a matter of minutes.
People will be quick to point out him getting swatted in the lane, or his terrible jumpshot, but his skill set is an asset. It’s ashame he hasn’t gotten a chance to play and develop when we’ve had terrible PG play for a good while.
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
9:45 pm
no more josh jumpers, ever
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:45 pm
Jeff doing more than Bibby already.
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
9:46 pm
Take Jamal and Collins out…
ATL FAN
February 23rd, 2011
9:46 pm
All great PGs need a couple of seasons to get to the elite level. This is Teague’s rookie season, he just needs to play more minutes and by the end of next year he should be a solid PG
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
9:46 pm
bibby who? bilbo? baggins? idk who u are talking about
goooooooooo teague!
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:47 pm
Crawford saying, “Trade me” with his play.
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
9:47 pm
wtf josh play some d
John Contract
February 23rd, 2011
9:47 pm
They could trade for Bird, Magic, and Jordan in their heyday and STILL make it a bad trade. Why didn’t they trade for a COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
9:48 pm
Josh sucks at sf im sorry
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:48 pm
Jeff wasnt going to settle for the Jumper against that zone. got called for a charge though..
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
9:48 pm
2 fouls on Teague. LD was looking for a reason to take Teague out….
diehard hawks fan
February 23rd, 2011
9:48 pm
But why give up a 1st round pick?!?!?! The players we recieved were not even in the ALL STAR contest recently?
This is some horse bull fudgery!
ATL FAN
February 23rd, 2011
9:48 pm
is josh pissed he didnt get traded??
Taylor
February 23rd, 2011
9:48 pm
Smith shoots to much
Marvin is awful
Collins is awful
Crawford has become awful
nobody
February 23rd, 2011
9:48 pm
man, seriously? a first AND Jordan Crawford? For Hinrich? Really? Kurt Hinrich? Great. This wont help at all.
Booo!
February 23rd, 2011
9:49 pm
LOL! As soon as Teague leaves the game with his secon foul Dragic gets into the interior creates a for warrick.
The Difference is sooo visible with a better defensive PG starting.
Puzzled
February 23rd, 2011
9:49 pm
How long is Hinrich’s contract? How long is Armstrong’s contract?
Tech Sucks
February 23rd, 2011
9:50 pm
Dont like it. This team is just terrible.
cp
February 23rd, 2011
9:50 pm
Teague is aggressive tonight. He still has to learn where he needs to be on rotations but he will be fine with pt
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:50 pm
Sessions 20pts 12ast 3rebs. 8-14fg 3-5ft
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
9:50 pm
yep, nobody, that’s just how bad bibby was
had to throw in those sweets in to the bibby garbage bag to get rid of him
Booo!
February 23rd, 2011
9:50 pm
F-LD!!
This should have happend months ago!!!
Do you hear Bob rathbun talking about the benefits of a penetrating point guard?!!
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:50 pm
Dude, boards!
jason
February 23rd, 2011
9:51 pm
Stop cmplaining the hawks cleared cap space so maybe this offseason the hawks can get in the talks for a point small foward and a C. I here the rockets are shopping Yao MIng?
harry the hawk
February 23rd, 2011
9:51 pm
Hinrich will bring the Hawks some toughness and balls…..they’re soft as tissue paper in an increasingly tough Eastern Conference.
Also, Sund is quietly trying to save his job…..remember all of the money he gave Joe Johnson for a 5th place showing so far.
Is it too little too late Hawks fans?
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:51 pm
Al watching rebs. 2nd chance leads to Gortat jumper
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:51 pm
How many f’n wide open jumpers has marvin seen?
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
9:51 pm
josh, wtf again
ATL FAN
February 23rd, 2011
9:51 pm
why the hell dont we have any role players like warrick??
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:52 pm
SMH @ the Hawks frontcourt.
Maybe the frontcourt sending a message too.
“We need help down here…”
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
9:52 pm
JOSH BOX OUT
JESUS CHRIST
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:52 pm
Boards?
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
9:52 pm
just jump. dont box out. smfh.
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
9:52 pm
Josh Smith we need your help on the boards.
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
9:53 pm
i like LD pulling people
ATL FAN
February 23rd, 2011
9:53 pm
lol you cant box those out you have to jump for them
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:53 pm
Dude, non stop jumpers.
HoosierHawk
February 23rd, 2011
9:53 pm
+Hinrich is a good defender, which means that the small lineup with Joe at the 3 is much better defensively and more feasible now with only one poor defender on the floor (jamal) at once.
+We have cap space summer of 2012 when Paul, Howard, etc are free agents
+ No more of Mo Evans weak play
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
9:53 pm
THIS LOSS DOESN’T MATTER
BIBBY IS GONE!!!
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:54 pm
This is why the Hawks still won’t get anywhere in the playoffs…
They still remain a jumpshooting team. They started off the game getting the ball inside.
Since, they’ve stayed perimeter.
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richbrave
February 23rd, 2011
9:55 pm
big dave:
Gotta’ shed the malaise of this WIZARDS season like losing a cheap suit.
Folks you know I’ve been down on MIKE BIBBY [as in negatory, good buddy] since he came to the ATL. Fact is, he had to be in the conversation because the J-WOW rook had no back-up. That’s right, HINRICH WAS the back-up one. We had a d-leaguer on two ten day’s [SHAKUR}, but he got hurt [pretty bad ankle], and we needed someone who didn’t hop as he dribbled the ball upcourt. Hence right now, BIBBY is gold for the D.C. team.
At the three, we have JOSH HOWARD playing on one leg recovering from a GILBERT ARENAS-type injury, and a marginally effective, but brittle AL THORNTON [ankle, finger, now ankle again tonight]. The emergency players were rookie TREVOR BOOKER who I like VERY much, but is a four, and another d-leaguer from last season CARTIER MARTIN who has his moments when the other team plays no defense. Enter MO EVANS which I think will provide depth only. Do you think he can play? I haven’t seen much burn from him as a HAWK. I see he’s pulling two more assists to turnovers, so that’s a plus.
The key player in this trade from the WIZARDS end is JORDAN CRAWFORD. In essence, the WIZZIES have replaced CAPTAIN KIRK with two players, one leaving the building [BIBBY] and the other hopefully coming into his own [CRAWFORD]. He will back-up NICK YOUNG, and I think/hope ultimately will supplant him as a regular for WASHINGTON. YOUNG is streaky, and only effective in certain situations against slow-footed two’s.
The clincher is the first round pick which the D.C. club desperately needs to improve.
Now the flip side.
The HAWKS got a c/f in HILTON ARMSTRONG who unfortunately for HOTLANTA fans did not impress me this season. He saw limited action despite the WIZARDS obvious need for a center to run with McGEE. That should tell you a lot, but if the coaching is as inept as most distressed WIZARDS fans believe, he might pan out as a HAWKSTER. I think not, but would love to be pleasantly surprised.
KIRK HINRICH is a tough-minded combo guard running mainly at the two. He can fill in at the one, and be effective only on occasion. He plays good defense, but fleet-footed one’s or two’s break him down off the dribble. He’s fine on perimeter defense against the average, to below average one or two. He could defend BIBBY pretty well as an example. He’s smart, and he’s a team-oriented guy all the way. A solid citizen in a b-ball sense. I think he will be an asset to the HAWKS in the two-three year range. He is starting to show wear around the edges however, and I do not think he can carry the freight at the two alone. And definitely not at the one. The WIZ tried that when WALL went down. It didn’t work well.
So take this analysis for what it’s worth folks, just one man’s opinion, and GO HAWKS. You know I’m with you even though I’m stuck here at ground zero following the WIZARDS?……not.
Oh, and you can see me regularly over on DAVID O’BRIEN’s blog with the BRAVES, AMERICA’s TEAM.
BTW, some numbers from my eldest grandson’d freshman h.s. year in baseball.
25 G, 57 AB, 45 R, 28 H, 24 RBI, 6 2B, 3 3B, 3 HR, 26 BB, 10 SO, 10 HBP, 1 SAC, 3 SF, 12 SB, 1 E, 6 LOB, .491 BA, .731 OBP, .860 SLG, 1.591 OPS.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:55 pm
We’re bout to get washed.
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
9:55 pm
ugh
do more trades
bye josh
Puzzled
February 23rd, 2011
9:55 pm
Where’s the defense…Is it still Bibby that’s the issue?
ATL FAN
February 23rd, 2011
9:55 pm
We’re playing with no Bibby or Evans and nobody in return, Hawks should have waited until after the game lol
cp
February 23rd, 2011
9:55 pm
The bigs not boxing out, Marvin and Jamal giving the team nothing tonight, LD looking for any reason to pull Teague although he was playing fine smdh
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
9:56 pm
Josh Smith has turned into a shooting guard. SAD!!!
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
9:56 pm
and is jamal gonna show up again, ever? or joe for that matter? ugh
terrell
February 23rd, 2011
9:56 pm
LD just ruining Jamal’s game. JAMAL CRAWFORD IS NOT A PG! Omg!
EmirS.
February 23rd, 2011
9:57 pm
Jason Quick, on NBA TV, said that Portland’s been after Jamal dating back to November of 2010.
So why are we not negotiating with Portland?
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
9:57 pm
teague joe damien al and josh please
TheRealStory
February 23rd, 2011
9:58 pm
These crazy azz trades going down just CONFIRM 1 thing. LOCKOUT! By this time next year guys from the Boys Club will be playing in the NBA. The Hawks DEAL is the biggest joke of all though. Bibby was through 2 years ago. Anybody with sight can tell Jamal Crawford has the Hawks on a string. He is the reason the struggle and short comings of Bibby became un watch able. The Hawks are getting burnt by Crawford for not getting an extension. Plus he walks at the end of the year. How about the ASG Sund and LD all walk with him?? Do a REAL BLOWUP!!!
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:58 pm
I’ve honestly seen enough of Jamal. He’s too disinterested.
Get something for him.
Michael Cunningham
February 23rd, 2011
9:58 pm
blog updates with league making it official and (a little) Hawks reax . . .
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:58 pm
I think they finally got the message?
Get the ball inside.
JuiceJones
February 23rd, 2011
9:59 pm
We just got mugged. This does nothing to make us better.
richbrave
February 23rd, 2011
9:59 pm
Gracie hudson
February 23rd, 2011
9:41 pm
That’s stupid mike bibby was my favorite player.! Guess I’m watching the wizards now.
Got a tip for ya’ GRACIE…….don’t!!!!!!
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
9:59 pm
Josh looks lost tonight.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:00 pm
He’s getting worked by Hakim Warrick.
JK
February 23rd, 2011
10:00 pm
Really feels like this was a trade just to make a trade. Maybe the positive here is that Hinrich is younger than Bibby. Maybe shaking things up a bit will rejuvenate the team. Gut feeling is this does nothing to help.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:00 pm
‘preciate that RICH BRAVE..pretty much as i thought.
see ya over @ DOB’s ..
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
February 23rd, 2011
10:00 pm
SG – Josh Smith
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
10:01 pm
LD finding a way to keep teague out somehow
terrell
February 23rd, 2011
10:01 pm
Is Hinrich a pg? What happened to Sessions?
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
February 23rd, 2011
10:02 pm
Shooters still wide open
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
10:02 pm
richbrave,
Thinks like Gracie Allen, LOL.
Thanks for the opinion.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:02 pm
How many open looks you think the Suns have had?
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:02 pm
Is that difficult Josh?
Stay down there.
ATL FAN
February 23rd, 2011
10:03 pm
Gentry shows his team his frustration after ONE bad play, LD is over there like Woodson daydreaming…
STRETCH
February 23rd, 2011
10:03 pm
THIS TEAM IS DONE. GOING NO PLACE TILL THEY SHIP JOSH OUTTA HERE!
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm
they played that pick and roll nicely..
MaD FAN
February 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm
I was mad the Hawks didn’t trade Josh Smith, I wanna trade everyone except for Al Horford, I can’t stand Joe Johnson and the fact that we gave him 120 million dollars, he can’t shoot and is HIGHLY overrated.Hawks are no longer fun to watch ever since Josh Smith starting taking Jump shots.
I’m becoming Highly annoyed by them.They are joke and no one takes them seriously including myself.
FIRE SUND the trade he made today sucks and we gave way too much.
Freshfromatl
February 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm
Jamal has to be the one next to go!!!!!
Brandon from Warner Robins
February 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm
Josh looks like his best moved away. Wanting to cry but holding back.
John Contract
February 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm
0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm
Those 2 fouls on Teague was justification for LD to play Jamal extended mins… SMDH
ATL FAN
February 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm
Good job to keep it at only 14 at the end of one half… game isnt over…….. YET
MaD FAN
February 23rd, 2011
10:05 pm
ever since Josh Smith started taking Jump shots.
kevkat
February 23rd, 2011
10:05 pm
You know Jesus is still available…has anyone contacted his agent? He’s what this team needs…a miracle worker.
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
10:05 pm
It’s halftime. Josh has one rebound and Al has two.
We could have traded for DWill or CP3 and it wouldn’t matter if your bigs are out hustled. Over and over.
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
10:06 pm
Nice close to the quarter. Bibby was only part of the problem. We still have no center, and 2 power forwards (one that shoots to many outside jumpers).
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:06 pm
Whatever man…
Don’t worry, Kirk Hinrich will solve all of our problems.
I was happy to see Teague actually get minutes. Sucks that he gets pulled whenever Drew finds a reason to.
I still say get rid of Jamal ASAP and try to get something out of him.
A wing or a big would be huge.
ATL FAN
February 23rd, 2011
10:06 pm
LMAO check this out Hinrich got skills-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGD3Qy6DSB0
moboman
February 23rd, 2011
10:06 pm
Bibby had a good stint here and made us better each year. Only thing he did wrong is get old. Show him some respect. At least he was a real PG for us and a shooter from the PG position. Hope there is more to come on the trade front. It wasnt enough.
tim
February 23rd, 2011
10:06 pm
It looks like the hawks could have done much better with other potential trades but the waited too long.
Instead……they gave up their 2010 and 2011 1st round draft choices plus a good swingman, plus Bibby for Hinrich. Armstrong means zero. Basically 4 players for Hinrich. VERY strange trade.
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O'Brien
February 23rd, 2011
10:09 pm
With no Bibby (or Hinrich), Hawks will have a built in excuse as to why they got blown out. They will say they were short handed, and trying to adjust to not having Bibby…
Dont look now, but if the Hawks lose, and the knicks win, Knicks will be 4 games behind us in the loss column…
observer
February 23rd, 2011
10:10 pm
Watching NOLA play right now and I see someone that would have looked real good in a hawks uni. No I’m not jonesing for CP3. What about Jarret Jack? The guy can drive, deal , and dish. Exactly what we need. I can’t believe he would have cost us more then this deal just did..
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:10 pm
“A league source with knowledge of Atlanta’s inquiries said the team tried to swing a trade for Harris before the Nets sent him to Utah in a deal that got them All-Star Deron Williams. The source said the Hawks also were rebuffed when they inquired about point guard Raymond Felton”
too (little) to late.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:11 pm
*too
The Game Has Changed
February 23rd, 2011
10:11 pm
Yo Cowbulls. Joe is not the most over paid player in the league. That would go to Eddie Curry. Not to mention Micheal Redd of the Bucks makes 18 million a year and hasnt played more than 36 games in 3 years.
cp
February 23rd, 2011
10:11 pm
I hope Jamal is next to go. I just cant keep watching him play. LD is going to keep putting him out there no matter how disinterested he looks or how bad he plays. See what Portland is offering and send Jamal on his way
observer
February 23rd, 2011
10:11 pm
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handtheman
February 23rd, 2011
10:12 pm
The GM for the Hawks had did a very bad job for the hawks. I like Joe, but we sign him for 2 much money. Jamal is not playing good ball this year because he not happy about his money. we gave up Jordan Crawford 2 fast. The trade today was very bad 2 me. I am just about 2 give up on the hawks. We need a new GM. Did he do a good job at Seattle?
Samuel
February 23rd, 2011
10:12 pm
I thought Teague was supposed to be the answer for all this dribble penetration. Ken, I know you have an answer. Nash and Drajic getting into the paint at will.
Section 303
February 23rd, 2011
10:14 pm
After watching this first half, I suddenly do not give a sh#t about the trade. The Hawks are still awful. This road trip is going to get really, really ugly. And, really, the month of March will be just as bad.
Knicks are going to catch the Hawks. It is hard for me to even imagine the Hawks winning again. They are just tanking before our eyes.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:14 pm
NY giving up 106 to a Buck team that struggles to score.
im telling you, they need 110 a night.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:15 pm
Same ish different day. Still a sporadic at best commitment to getting the ball in the post, still complete cluelessness when faced with a zone defense. And in this game they combine that by watching one of the league’s worst rebounding teams get board after board.
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
10:15 pm
Now we need to trade Josh Smith for Chris Kaman.
Section 303
February 23rd, 2011
10:15 pm
And, guys….the “Teague needs to play more” and “The Hawks aren’t developing Teague” crap stops. It stops. The guy sucks. He does not belong in the NBA. Time for some of you to accept this as the fact it is.
mratl
February 23rd, 2011
10:16 pm
about time …bibby u just wasnt getn the job done… 4 to 5 points 2 or 3 assist a game….not gonna get it… marvin needs to go next…..great trade
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
10:18 pm
“Nash and Drajic getting into the paint at will.” – Samuel
Comeon Sam, they are doing it off of pick and rolls. Teague only played 11mins..
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:19 pm
“the “Teague needs to play more” and “The Hawks aren’t developing Teague” crap stops. It stops. The guy sucks.”
He hasn’t been any worse than Bibby, and at times he’s actually looked pretty good. I hope you weren’t expecting him to be an All Star right off the bat. Dude is still young. He has shown enough to make me think he can provide solid minutes on a regular basis. Honestly, he ran the point better than Jamal in that half.
Columbus
February 23rd, 2011
10:19 pm
Maybe they will shock us with one more last minute trade. Why give up a #1 in the deal for a PG? because the hawks have used multiple picks on PG’s and havent came up with one as good as Hinrich. Consider it as drafting a PG with our first round pick this year. The hawks would not have drafted one any better. So what now? We still need a center and we need to run and run the offense like it was the last few years if the Hinrich trade dont help enough….if the team’s game dont improve in the next month, LD better go back to the old offense or FIRE his arse!
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
10:19 pm
Section303,
Magic and Bulls lost tonight as well…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:20 pm
Jamal did a much, much worse job defensively than Teague. Teague was pretty unimpressive in his own right, but he was better than Jamal.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:20 pm
“and he has 9 assist @ the half b/c he’s getting everyone involved”
-Nique
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
10:20 pm
Section 303- Teague has played pretty good despite lack of playing time. Josh Smith is the problem. No rebounding, and still to many jumpers.
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
10:20 pm
goooooooooooo teague!
Brandon from Warner Robins
February 23rd, 2011
10:20 pm
atta boy Jeff Teague
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:21 pm
that was plain nice.
more handling by the pg, less from everyone else.
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
10:21 pm
TEAGUE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIBBY
TEAGUE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIBBY
TEAGUE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIBBY
TEAGUE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIBBY
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:21 pm
Sad when Teague’s the only guy trying to play near the hoop.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:21 pm
Nice strong drive by Teague to start the half. This is the second time in the game he has gone inside and intentionally drawn contact to draw a foul. He’s already arguably the best Hawk at doing that, which is pretty sad.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:22 pm
f- is AL doing bringing it up the floor.. give the ball up b/4 u throw it away! sick of it.. smh.
craig
February 23rd, 2011
10:22 pm
ok its look like 2 road upsets in a row ! lets trade Hinrich and ZaZa for NeNe.. and pick up Iverson
Section 303
February 23rd, 2011
10:22 pm
Najeh, Teague is not good. He won’t ever be.
But, in his defense, who else is good on the Hawks right now?
Nice to see they respond to the trade by giving no effort tonight. Might be time to blow this team up. They’re going nowhere.
Columbus
February 23rd, 2011
10:22 pm
The GM is NOT the problem….The OWNERS ARE running the SHOW…!
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:22 pm
Section 303,
Not sure what makes you say Teague’s garbage. He’s the lone Hawk tonight who I’d say is actually here to play.
Nice dish right there…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:22 pm
Another nice setup by Teague, getting the ball to Al.
I want to see some pick and rolls.
Lionhearted
February 23rd, 2011
10:22 pm
Teague thank u 4 driving becuz nobody else is
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
10:23 pm
JEFF TEAGUE IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN BIBBY
Lionhearted
February 23rd, 2011
10:23 pm
Section 303 shut up u don’t know wat Teague can be. He’s the only one playing good in this game
cp
February 23rd, 2011
10:24 pm
Teague is playing fine
Section 303
February 23rd, 2011
10:24 pm
Tremaine, you won’t catch me defending Josh Smith. He seems to get worse as this season goes on.
The debate we had on this board a month ago, or so, was who’s better? Love or Smith? With little debate, Kevin Love. I will hear no arguement. Love plays hard each and every night. If you say the same about Josh, you’re f’ing kidding yourself.
The Game Has Changed
February 23rd, 2011
10:24 pm
Thanks for everything Mike Bibby. You helped us get back to winning ways. May God Bless
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:25 pm
That’s the 3rd or 4th open jumpshot missed by Marvin in this game, but God forbid anyone criticizes his shot selection.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:25 pm
That’s who sucks right there 303.
Marvin Williams…
how many open looks does this guy get?
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:26 pm
why was he wide open?
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:26 pm
What offense have the Hawks generated in this quarter outside of what Teague has had a role in?
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
10:26 pm
We complain when Josh takes a lot of jumpers, what about Marvin tonight?
prison mike
February 23rd, 2011
10:27 pm
Duckworthy has to f’ing go, we have about 15 hours to haul has ass off somewhere.
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
10:27 pm
Just think how much better Teague can be with more playing time. Hopefully when Hinrich get here he won’t get buried on the bench again.
Columbus
February 23rd, 2011
10:27 pm
Yeah, why not pick up A.I? Cant hurt! His attitude might rub off on some of the guys though….so hell I wish ANY TEAM would take Marvin’s CONTRACT! Trade him and Josh for a CENTER and let Horford go back to his natural forward position where he can be more valuable to the team! ATLANTA SPIRIT SUCKS…….
PeterMoylan
February 23rd, 2011
10:27 pm
This trade doesn’t take them any closer to winning a 2nd round playoff game.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:28 pm
The lone reason they’re even down 9-11 is because Teague has come out asserted himself.
That was the knock on him before tonight. He was too timid, too passive.
Whether he’s a legit starting PG in this league, that’s up for debate.
But for him to have been completely shut out these past couple seasons, I’ll never get that. He’s clearly good enough to contribute, whether it be in a starting role, or a backup role. He’s good enough.
And it helps when he’s getting burn with guys who know how to play, not bums like Zaza – Mo Evans – Josh Powell, etc.
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
10:28 pm
Melvin you are right. Marvin look like garbage tonight. Hopefully they take him out when Crawford comes in instead of Teague.
prison mike
February 23rd, 2011
10:28 pm
patented bank shot….
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:28 pm
Great trade. Good job by Sund. Yes, I hate to lose JC2 and a 1st pick. And the 1st pick is just because we have a Coach who seems to only like vet G’s, and vet players. He doesn’t seem interested in developing a 17-22 pick, which seems where we are headed.
The salaries work ok. And who knows. Armstrong may help us.
Now I hope either Jamal gets traded or somehow we get Sessions. Trading Mo’, I’m not sure we won’t try to get Manny Harris.
But Sund heard us. He knew the only way LD wouldn’t play Bibby and Mo’ was to trade them. Good move Sund.
And whoever thinks Teague is having a bad game – he’s not. Dude is playing ok for what he is. A 22 year old #19 pick. We still lose Jamal next year, so Teague will get his chance. And Hinrich will be 31 or something . Good job keeping Teague. I might would give him up to get Sessions. And we still have 2 second picks in 2011 and 2012
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
February 23rd, 2011
10:29 pm
too easy
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:29 pm
The difference between Josh taking jumpers and Marvin is…
We expect more from Josh.
We don’t expect ish from Marvin.
He’s garbage, and a bum. It doesn’t matter whether he goes inside or stays perimeter, he’s not doing ish.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:29 pm
Al horrible help defender.
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
10:29 pm
Help the man on the pick Josh.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:30 pm
Hawks need some stops.
If Smoove or Teague had thrown that pass Joe just threw this blog would have exploded.
terrell
February 23rd, 2011
10:30 pm
JJ is awful right now. Scared to take it to the hole. Just passing it to whoever will catch it.
prison mike
February 23rd, 2011
10:30 pm
Who in the hell is saying teague is having a bad game, playing very well.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:31 pm
there u go Jeff..
good job Josh giving it to him and letting him go, u dont have to start the break anymore..
good follow Al!
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:31 pm
Man, can we grab the damn board.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:31 pm
Section 303 – What’s the beef with Teague? He’s ballin’ pretty good.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:32 pm
damn shame.
prison mike
February 23rd, 2011
10:32 pm
hoe johnson is matching ducks intensity.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:32 pm
BOX THE F-CK OUT
That one was on Al. Smoove great contest on Nash’s shot, but Robin Lopez gets the board.
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
10:32 pm
Lack of rebounding is killing the Hawks…..
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
10:32 pm
C’mon Al, get your money’s worth or don’t even foul.
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
10:33 pm
niceeee teague >>>> bibby
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:33 pm
Nash looked good there defending Jamal, who couldnt blow by him. dont know why we pulled Jeff..
cp
February 23rd, 2011
10:33 pm
Marvin has been terrible smdh. This is why no team wants to take on his contract smdh.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:33 pm
There’s some Al help defense!
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
February 23rd, 2011
10:33 pm
lol@nique and bob
terrell
February 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm
Teague looks better than Bibby without even doing that much.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm
Keep your back to the basket Al.
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm
f’ing joe make an open jumper some day
J.J.M
February 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm
smh
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm
Josh trying to cover everybody’s man..
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm
If Joe or Marvin had even brought their B game today the Hawks would probably be tied. Even Smoove has stepped it up after a lackluster first half.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm
Josh fallin’ in love with that jumper.
I won’t give him ish about it because they’re going in.
Hawks always an afterthought..I feel Sund-burned!
February 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm
The Hawks deal Bibby for Hinrich the same night Deron Williams goes to the Nets? We tried to get the big deal done, but in the end we only get marginal improvement and dump salary and more future scores/draft picks??? Jordan Crawford gone. 2011 1st rounder gone. I feel like we just traded Mike Bibby for Mike Bibby. UGGGH!!
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:35 pm
Notice something here?
The second Teague comes out for Jamal, the Suns are wide open beyond the arc.
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
10:35 pm
Hawks are not rotating on defense….
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
February 23rd, 2011
10:35 pm
Hilton Armstrong was a real stand up guy in New Orleans, he came by and bought some teenage boys I mentor all new shoes. He was a adequate back for Tyson Chandler. Hate to see JC2 leave before he got a shot with us though.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:36 pm
3 ball the death of us once again.
weak, unenthusiastic close outs.. just a poor defensive team. 1 guy who wants to defend. everyone else wants to score.
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
10:36 pm
Wabe,was about to say the same thing.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:36 pm
Nash 9 pts and 5 TO’s compared to Teague’s 10 pts and 2 TO’s. Now Nash does have 10 dimes to Teague’s 2, but your talking about a 2 time League MVP, vs a guy not in the rotation that LD refuses to play.
And Dragic has 0 pts.
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
10:36 pm
joe contract still with 9……………… team needs him to show up for a chance at a W
prison mike
February 23rd, 2011
10:37 pm
hinrich can’t get here fast enough, damn shame armstrong is such a scrub.
cp
February 23rd, 2011
10:37 pm
LD just needs to let Teague play. Jamal is flat out invisible out there on both ends. I dont know wtf Joe is doing and Marvin needs to be traded like yesterday
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:38 pm
carry em SMoove!
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:38 pm
Easy stuff Josh.
Dudley can’t handle you in the post.
NCBravesFan
February 23rd, 2011
10:38 pm
Sounds like Sund needs to deal Jamal by the deadline so he can break LD of his addiction.
Hawks always an afterthought..I feel Sund-burned!
February 23rd, 2011
10:38 pm
Atlanta is an NBA city with a team that NBA stars don’t want to play for. Shaq left us at the alter in the pre-season and we can’t even get a deal for Deron, Raymond Felton or any other point guard? The ESPN trade machine says the deal is a +2 in the win column for the Hawks. Can we take that +2 in Round 2 of the post season, or do we have to use it on a home game versus a sub .500 team?? Can’t wait for NBA collective bargaining and contraction.
Section 303
February 23rd, 2011
10:38 pm
Nice the Hawks are just now bothering to try. Too little, too late. Defense is just horrid.
Get ready for a whole bunch of beatings the next month and a half, guys. This season is going to tank.
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
10:39 pm
No Zaza tonight?
Is it too much to hope that the Hawks are negotiating another trade with Zaza?
Or is he nicked up and I missed hearing about it?
Or did LD come to his senses?
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:39 pm
Dude, if we can draw this thing to 6-7 going into the 4th, we’re good.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:40 pm
Now LD wouldn’t try to run Teague out of town to sign his son would he?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:40 pm
Jamal for that Pistons trio would just be outstanding. This team needs someone like Ben Wallace so bad, even if he is washed up.
prison mike
February 23rd, 2011
10:40 pm
josh haters are scattering like roaches…
joe misses another last second shot.
terrell
February 23rd, 2011
10:41 pm
Joe makes how much $?
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:41 pm
i wonder how much gym time Joe puts in?
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:41 pm
Whatever…
Not too bad of a quarter.
They’re gonna have to turn it up 2 notches if they wanna win, but I’m just hoping they don’t turn it down 2 notches and get beat by 25.
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
February 23rd, 2011
10:41 pm
….had that same thought about Zaza when I just saw him TATTOOED to the pine.
get him outta here
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
10:41 pm
ok joe I want at least 15 points from you this last quarter, or sign tonight’s $250,000 paycheck over to Josh
TNHawk
February 23rd, 2011
10:42 pm
Come on guys, we all knew the Hawks needed better perimeter defense. This is an upgrade we sorely needed.
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
10:43 pm
OB,
Teague has 10pts, 2asts, 1reb,1stl, 1blk in 19mins in his first meaningful playing time in about a month and you say that he’s not doing anything?
terrell
February 23rd, 2011
10:43 pm
Imagine how much better Teague would be if he had gotten more min earlier in the season. Btw, what will LD do without the Bibby/Jamal combo tonight to end the game?
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
10:43 pm
SteveW,
LD II will never, ever see a day in the league. Never. I don’t think he’d even survive the D-league. Not nearly enough talent.
So your little jab falls flat for those who know.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:44 pm
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4cwfjf3
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:44 pm
Jamal has the worst +/- on the team at -12 tonight.
Why has LD not been playing Teague again? He’s been decent against Dragic and Nash
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
10:44 pm
Please get Marvin out the game.
J.J.M
February 23rd, 2011
10:44 pm
josh tries to hard
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:44 pm
i fux wit smoove.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:45 pm
Nice job putting your hands up duck
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:45 pm
When Hakim Warrick is hitting fadeaway 3’s at the buzzer, it tells me it’s probably not the Hawks’ night.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:45 pm
Big bucket damien.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:45 pm
Sautee – You know that, and I know that, but does LD and LDII know that? And why did he leave UNC unless he was still trying to make it to the “promised land”? I know he had lost his starting job, but he was still playing alot.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:46 pm
im starting to think it was LD’s rotations the whole time.. he had the wrong guys playing..
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:46 pm
Should’ve been a 4 point play.
Needed that. Huge.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:46 pm
beautiful pass by Josh to Joe.. to Jamal..
prison mike
February 23rd, 2011
10:46 pm
HUUUUGGGEEE back to back 3s, teague and al back asap.
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
10:47 pm
i wouldn’t mind having damien again next year if he gets regular playing time he could probably hit those shots, he stays within his game n plays d
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
10:47 pm
Need to get Teague back in to run the break.
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
10:47 pm
its also pretty comical that jamal falls down after every 3 attempt
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:48 pm
id like to see Jeff in the game right now.. see what stamp he can put on this game.. can he lead..
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:48 pm
Najeh – We would have to dump an Etan or Powell in there – we have 14 roster spots after the current trade.
Jae Evolution
February 23rd, 2011
10:48 pm
Please tell me Zaza isn’t getting any minutes tonight because we are looking to trade him and someone else for an adequate big before tomorrow?
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
February 23rd, 2011
10:48 pm
my god…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:48 pm
It is a little curious, isn’t it, that Zaza is getting DNP’d in this game? This would be his first DNP since December 10. Not that I want to see him by any means, at all, but maybe this is foreshadowing for another trade? I can only hope…
cp
February 23rd, 2011
10:48 pm
Now its a game. The way Damien is playing im even more upset Mo was playing over Damien.
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
February 23rd, 2011
10:49 pm
just a stop and bucket
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:49 pm
Jamal finally decides to show up?
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:49 pm
bigdave – that’s what I’ve been sayin’
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:49 pm
Yes sirrrrrrrrrr
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
February 23rd, 2011
10:49 pm
lets get it!!!!
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
10:49 pm
Teague >>>>>>>>> Bibby
Damien >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mo evans
prison mike
February 23rd, 2011
10:49 pm
big balls dance!!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:50 pm
Nice comeback for the Hawks, but they have hit a lot of improbable shots along the way. Jumpers by Smoove, 3’s by Damien, contested 3’s by Jamal… I like the comeback, but they need to get the ball inside more and need to continue closing out on Phoenix’s 3 point shots.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:50 pm
I’d like to have Wilkens back next year also. And what an upgrade over Mo’. But LD felt he had to play Bibby and Mo’ for some reason.
RethinkPossibl
February 23rd, 2011
10:50 pm
Did you all see JC run to his spot for that 3? I dont think I have seen him haul ass like that all season. The hawks want this W.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:50 pm
JeJe – cosign – been screamin’ it for months
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
10:50 pm
PLEASE PUT IN TEAGUE I DONT CARE IF JAMAL IS MAKING HIS SHOTS
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:51 pm
Bring in ZaZa to punk Gortat. He can do it
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:51 pm
the boy goes ALL OUT !
the Josh Smith show.
trade him.. ppft. please.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:52 pm
No way LD puts in Teague – that’s not LD’s style
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:52 pm
Damien winded..
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
February 23rd, 2011
10:52 pm
he on…
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:52 pm
But I’m hoping I’m wrong about LD and Teague this game…
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
10:53 pm
wow down 1pt??
J.J.M
February 23rd, 2011
10:53 pm
marvin needs a haircut
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
10:54 pm
Welcome back Jamal.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:54 pm
I would like to see us bring in Teague and JJ for Marvin and Wilkens and see what happens.
J.J.M
February 23rd, 2011
10:54 pm
WHY DO WE KEEP SWITCHING
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:54 pm
I can live with Gortat scoring on post ups.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
10:54 pm
LD lit them up in the locker rm in LA last night…..Good for LD…
craig
February 23rd, 2011
10:54 pm
Whats the problem? Ask the ATL Spirits to trade Hinrich and ZaZa for NeNe ……and pick up Iverson !!! To advance pass the second Rd. we must have a center and a leader to support an leader ( NeNe, Johnson, Iverson) Lets begin this process, I will be there in the Eastern Conf. finals
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:54 pm
They’re switching that pick…
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:54 pm
We needed that 24 footer Josh. Good shot says LD (I’m joking)
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
10:55 pm
The hawks made this comeback with Joe on the bench.
richbrave
February 23rd, 2011
10:55 pm
Hawks always an afterthought..I feel Sund-burned!
February 23rd, 2011
10:38 pm
Atlanta is an NBA city with a team that NBA stars don’t want to play for. Shaq left us at the alter in the pre-season and we can’t even get a deal for Deron, Raymond Felton or any other point guard? The ESPN trade machine says the deal is a +2 in the win column for the Hawks. Can we take that +2 in Round 2 of the post season, or do we have to use it on a home game versus a sub .500 team?? Can’t wait for NBA collective bargaining and contraction.
Take heart my man. I’ve seen plenty of both and I consider KIRK HINRICH a two step upgrade over MIKE BIBBY. I’d be more disheartened by CRAWFORD leaving town and giving up the #1.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:55 pm
Damien Wilkins will prove to be an asset.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:55 pm
It only now occurred to me that Joe has been on the bench for a huge chunk of this comeback. That guy couldn’t have possibly been more invisible in this game.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:55 pm
It’s either switch on that pick and get the ball out of Nash’s hands…
Or let Nash weave his way around and find open jumpers.
Or easy pick and roll buckets.
They’re hand is forced. They have to switch on that.
Ryan
February 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm
I don’t mind the trade…almost no risk in the move and you hope that it gives us a spark. Hinrich is an upgrade over Bibby, mainly because of his defense. Financially we are basically in the exact same position with this trade and with our history of late 1st round picks, we either trade the pick for cash or they end up sitting on the bench and then we trade them a couple years later…
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm
Wonder who we bring in after the TO. And good for LD if he smoked um last nite
RethinkPossible
February 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm
Temaine – Excellent point, lets hope he earns his paycheck and closes this game out.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm
Josh cut that out Dude your not Ray Allen!!!!!!!!!1
ATLFAN1
February 23rd, 2011
10:57 pm
marvin for sessions and parker
crawford for mayo and thabeet
zaza and powell for ben wallace and wilcox
this could make us better, obviously it won’t happen but this seems like a good competing roster..
hinrich/sessions/teague
johnson/mayo/parker
smith/parker/wilkins
horford/wilcox/thomas
wallace/thabeet/collins
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:57 pm
lol @ poop steady @ work on that trade machine.. hopefully something shakes..
Joe still recovering from LA hang over.. trust me.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:57 pm
veteran.
RethinkPossible
February 23rd, 2011
10:58 pm
Invisible who?
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:58 pm
big shot Joe..
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
10:58 pm
big shot JOE!!!!Tied//////////
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:58 pm
look @ DAMIEN!!!!!
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
10:58 pm
Look at Damien frontin…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:58 pm
Joe passed up an open Smoove in the corner to take that 3 himself. Usually that doesn’t happen.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
10:58 pm
26 footer…………..Come on Joe………..
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:58 pm
nasty.
prison mike
February 23rd, 2011
10:59 pm
this guy drew doesn’t have any balls and play teague the rest of the way.
CJ
February 23rd, 2011
10:59 pm
I left this blog 4 years ago and the same complaints are still valid. Granted the Hawks aren’t total losers like back then but man…..they sure do know how to run in place. Still giving away picks and better than average talent for marginal talent I see.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
10:59 pm
I have heard people say Nash is overrated. I’m sorry but that is nuts.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
10:59 pm
Damien is a damn hell raiser.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
10:59 pm
oh no…
chem
February 23rd, 2011
11:00 pm
I love how Dominique thinks “Damien and Joe Johnson are interchangeable”
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
11:00 pm
Al why the hell are you leaving your feet when Gortat pump fakes at the free throw line.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:00 pm
DEFENSE GET A STOP PLEASE>>>>5 straight baskets..That may do it…
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
11:00 pm
Jamal Crawford – 30 minutes 0 assists
MsDee
February 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm
We are being out-coached right now!!
J.J.M
February 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm
horrible..game over..learn how to play d and not switch every time down
EmirS.
February 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm
He needs to put in Teague. Let him run the team. Let him gain his confidence in these nail-bitter’s. Put him in with JJ, Josh and Al!
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm
Bring in Teague for Wilkens
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm
well.. this is where Bibby might have come through w/ a clutch bomb.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm
They need to get Smoove the ball on the block again. I hope they don’t come out of this timeout going perimeter with Joe and Jamal, although deep down inside I know they will.
RethinkPossible
February 23rd, 2011
11:02 pm
We know it is not going to happen, but he needs to play JT. Take a chance
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:02 pm
How does Damien drop 42 pts on the Hawks then we get him and its like he forgot how to score the ball?? Come on Damien…Calm down dude….
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:02 pm
We are a better team simply be having Teague and Wilkens play for Bibby and Mo’.
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
11:02 pm
That lineup been out there pretty much the whole quarter probably tired by now.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:03 pm
game over…………………shoot…………….
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
11:03 pm
Ever since Joe came in, the Suns have outscored the Hawks something like 10-3, and Joe just committed another offensive foul. Just saying…
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:03 pm
costly.
RethinkPossible
February 23rd, 2011
11:03 pm
JJ has two turnovers and a 3.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
11:04 pm
Done deal.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:04 pm
JJ….
We should have brought in Teague – But as I said, no way LD does that. He hates young guys that are developing, for whatever reason, I have no idea
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:04 pm
not sure why Josh didnt go ahead and try to finish there.
LD is the 2nd Coming of Woodson
February 23rd, 2011
11:04 pm
LD is out of his league.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:04 pm
got all the way to the cup and passed.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
11:04 pm
Huge loss for the Hawks, considering that Chicago and Orlando both lost.
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
11:05 pm
boo. nice try though. RESUME THE TRADES!
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
11:05 pm
Joe Johnson hesitate on the 3 in the corner.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:06 pm
I hope by tomorrow at 3, somehow Sund has traded Jamal for another decent piece. LD is the problem however.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:06 pm
1-5 in the last 6! Hymick maneuver won’t make a difference!
Sund= Fail…………………
Melvin
February 23rd, 2011
11:06 pm
Chris Palmer: The Nets had interest in Jamal Crawford before the DWill trade. Jamal thought he was going to be moved, a source tells me. Twitter
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
11:07 pm
Liked the effort in the guys coming back…
But, same ish.
We still don’t have a PG that we trust on the roster. Teague sat out the entire 4th quarter even after playing a pretty solid game.
Hinrich isn’t the answer at point. He’s another combo gaurd.
It’s obvious these guys are gased.
Why Mo Evans was playing in favor of Damien, I’ll never get it.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:07 pm
Portland is smokin’ the Lakers right now. Doesn’t make me feel good about the Hawks
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:07 pm
LD showing stubbornness Woodson showed.
getting raped by the switch. but he doesnt seem to care.
plain stupid.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:07 pm
we all new the hawks were going to lose the questions was by how much???
this team is in free fall yall……………
Sund=Sorry
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
11:07 pm
GET A CENTER. THIS TEAM IS SOFT.
JOSH SMITH, LEARN HOW TO PASS A BASKETBALL
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:07 pm
meant knew…
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
11:08 pm
Jeff Teague only 17 minutes.
IM_BACK
February 23rd, 2011
11:08 pm
With all this switching d….you would think woody is the coach….
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:08 pm
Wabe – and why Teague was out of the rotation, I don’t get either
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
11:09 pm
JOE HAS 12 POINTS (I THINK)
LOL
IS HE DONE FOR THE YEAR?
GOOD GOD
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:09 pm
“JOSH SMITH, LEARN HOW TO PASS A BASKETBALL”
to who?
Josh Smith carried this team. wow.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:09 pm
bigdave – Cosign
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
11:09 pm
Teague played a solid game. Maybe not spectacular (if you were expecting him to take over the game when he’s a 2nd year player making his 2nd career start you are an idiot) but at the very least, solid enough for him to earn regular minutes in the rotation.
Joe Johnson is The Matt Ryan of The Hawks
February 23rd, 2011
11:09 pm
This city is stuck with two of the most expensive players within their respective leads, but neither can carry his own jocks.
Not bad players-just overrated and OVER-PAID for their respective positions on the team.
cp
February 23rd, 2011
11:09 pm
Marvin is the invisible man. I hope to wake up tomorrow and hear that the Hawks have dealt him . He just does not impact the game in any way. And I dont like LD’s rotations
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
11:10 pm
BIGDAVE GTFOH
EVEN WHEN JOSH PLAYS WELL, HIS PASSING IS STILL GARBAGE. IF HE CUT BACK ON HIS HORRID SHOT SELECTION, HE’LL BE SO MUCH BETTER
GREAT WE’RE GONNA GET SWEPT IN ANOTHER SEASON SERIES
THIS IS DEPRESSING
PROKHOROV PLZZZZZZZZ BUY THIS TEAM
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:10 pm
as well as he played. Teague could have got more mins in my opinion.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
11:10 pm
If only Joe or Marvin had showed up today, the Hawks might have won. Solid games from Smoove, Horford, Teague, Damien, and Jamal for the most part.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:10 pm
Joe makes 500k tonight for 12 freaking points?????????????????????????????Are you kidding me????????????????????????????????????????
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:10 pm
I think Sund is trying to GM away LD’s weaknesses also. LD is like an alcoholic, as long as Bibby and Mo were here, they were going to play regardless. And as much as i like Hinrich, as long as Jamal is here, he plays regardless also.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
11:11 pm
Teague did play a solid game.
But, if he can only log 17 minutes tonight, I doubt he’s gonna be getting anything meaningful moving forward.
That’s why I’m saying that we’re in the same ish.
But, you have Hinrich basically taking Bibby’s spot and you have one less Hawks rotting on the bench.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
11:11 pm
“Joe Johnson is The Matt Ryan of The Hawks ”
Like I said the other day… at least Joe has won a playoff game.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
11:11 pm
It’s plain as day that Drew doesn’t trust the kid. Even though he played pretty solid tonight, he saw no action in that 4th quarter.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:11 pm
And LD wouldn’t bench Josh for terrible shot selection for anything. It’s just LD’s way. Kinda like Woody in someways, even though Woody would confront Josh.
terrell
February 23rd, 2011
11:12 pm
Joe looks slow as hell. Or is it just me? Moves like a freakin turtle.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:12 pm
his passing was on point.. lol. Horford let a couple roll off his fingers.
it is what it is.. some just will refuse to give credit where it is due.
if he didnt play, how he played 2nd half. we would’ve cleared the bench.
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
11:12 pm
“Ever since Joe came in, the Suns have outscored the Hawks something like 10-3, and Joe just committed another offensive foul. Just saying…”
And dat’s da troof.
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
11:13 pm
“But, you have Hinrich basically taking Bibby’s spot and you have one less Hawks rotting on the bench.”
GOOD. I SAW 200X MORE ENERGY FROM DAMIEN TONIGHT THAN I’VE EVER SEEN FROM BLOW EVANS
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:13 pm
News Flash two Ham sandwiches don’t make it out of the 1st rd as a 6th or 7th seed…………..
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
11:13 pm
WE NEED ANOTHER TRADE. GET A CENTER, SUND.
GET RID OF JOSH. STOP BEING EMOTIONALLY CONNECTED TO THE GUY. GET SOME REAL FRONT COURT PLAYERS
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:13 pm
Najeh – I doubt it knowing LD. I hope you are correct. Teague can be a good player in this League. But LD has issues.
MsDee
February 23rd, 2011
11:13 pm
Jeff Teague should have definitely played more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why or why didnt he???? 10pts,1rb, 2assists,1 bk, 1stl
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:14 pm
Terrell.
very slow. extremely. indifferent, hung over.
Josh.. Damien.. really the only players i see who move w/ urgency.
terrell
February 23rd, 2011
11:14 pm
nother loss.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
11:14 pm
17 minutes with no other PG on the roster…
What happens when Hinrich comes?
Same ish. Just a bit of an upgrade with Hinrich over Bibby.
The Hawks needed to do something to change the dynamics of this team. This trade doesn’t do that.
Also, what’s sad is, you’ve got Marvin Williams being outplayed by a guy whose been on 10-day contracts…
cp
February 23rd, 2011
11:14 pm
Im really not a fan of LD. Dude is Woodson Jr. Teague didn’t even get 20 minutes although he had a nice game. And please let them find a way to move Marvin
kaminari
February 23rd, 2011
11:14 pm
Joe only makes $243,902 a game, not $500,000.
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
11:14 pm
HEY JOE WHERE U AT?
WAKE UP. JAMAL WOKE UP. YOU CAN TOO
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
11:15 pm
MARVIN IS GARBAGE AS A STARTER.
BRING HIM OFF THE BENCH WITH JA CRAW AND TRADE SMOOVE FOR A CENTER
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
11:15 pm
more trades!!
Section 303
February 23rd, 2011
11:15 pm
Get used to these defeats. Hawks are dead in the water. They’re going to be getting their heads kicked in from now until the end of March.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
11:16 pm
I don’t mind this trade at all…
I’m glad to see Bibby and Mo Evans go…
But, this trades only good if it’s a stepping stone to another deal.
If this is as good as it gets, we haven’t really gotten anywhere.
But then again, Mo Evans is gone, so that makes my season.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:16 pm
Sund Gearon LD go kick rocks!!!
Freaking josh just does not get it……..He’s amazing out there. A bipolar baller…
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:17 pm
Let’s see @GSW, @Port, @Den – We could easily go 0-3. 1 and 2 is about the best I see. 2-1 and I’m estactic
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:18 pm
it was a terrible pick proves us right again…………………………….Yawn…………….Thanks Duck………………..You could not throw it in the ocean…Booze and Bball shall never mix………
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:18 pm
how is Josh Smith the center of all the hate? lol. unbelievable.
Harry Hawk
February 23rd, 2011
11:19 pm
I’m sure Kirk Hinrich will make the difference.
He may be a decent perimeter defender, but he’s still not going to break down the opposition. The Hawks really need a guy like that. Maybe they’ll get one…someday.
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
11:19 pm
WE JUST GOT THOROUGHLY OUTPLAYED BY THE SUNS (WE GOT SEASON SWEPT BY THEM).
THE HAWK KILLER VINCE CARTER HARDLY EVEN PLAYED LOL.
PATHETIC
WE NEED ANOTHER TRADE. WE NEED INTERIOR DEFENSE. GET RID OF JOSH SMITH NOW
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:19 pm
Then it’s the Bulls
Thunder
Knicks
Lakers
@Bulls
Blazers
Section 303 – I think your right
And I think overall, Woody is a better coach that LD
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:20 pm
2-5, 1-6 even with the Hymick maneuver on this disastrous road trip!…….Free fall………………….Stick a fork in this bird…………….
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
11:20 pm
“how is Josh Smith the center of all the hate? lol. unbelievable.”
Mirror image of the Falcons blog and Vick five years ago. The D would give up 8 yards a carry, the receivers would drop passes that hit them in stride, and the discussion would all center on Vick’s supposed shortcomings. Smoove is nowhere near the talent Vick is, but it’s the same sh-t. Doesn’t matter what the dude does.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:20 pm
lateral move in picking up another combo guard. who more than likely wont qb the offense. when has Kirk ever done that?
Dept. of Unintended Irony
February 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm
“1-5 in the last 6! Hymick maneuver won’t make a difference!”
Maybe the Heimlich would, lol.
Wasn’t Hymich Heimlich’s next door neighbor?
JeJe
February 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm
WHY THE HELL WAS DAMIEN GUARDING GORTAT EVERY DAMN TIME?
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm
LD still has another year left on his contract.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:22 pm
Aw man, we’re toast. We may end up a 7th seed with a 45-37 record or something. I predicted 46-36 before the season, but then I got my hopes up.
I hope Sund makes some more deals. This one helped, but we need more.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:22 pm
its still baffling.. clearly the best player next to Nash on the floor.. on “your” team.. but hated on.. pfft. stupid.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
11:22 pm
Not sure that interior defense has much to do with it…
Not like the Suns torch teams in the post.
We couldn’t contain Nash early. Our rotations beyond the arc were terrible.
Lionhearted
February 23rd, 2011
11:23 pm
bigdave are u related to Osh????
Joe Johnson is The Matt Ryan of The Hawks
February 23rd, 2011
11:24 pm
Joe Johnson is The Matt Ryan of The Hawks ”
Like I said the other day… at least Joe has won a playoff game.
true!
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:24 pm
Lionhearted..
i dont think so.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
11:24 pm
Damien’s gaurding Gortat because the Hawks were forced to switch.
Earlier in the game, the Hawks were getting torched on those pick and rolls. When they rotated to help out on the pick and roll, Nash would find an open guy beyond the arc, and the Suns weren’t missing many looks tonight.
That pretty much leaves us to switching…
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
11:25 pm
What scares you more? Gortat in the post, or Frye, Dudley, and company lighting us up from beyond the arc?
Lionhearted
February 23rd, 2011
11:25 pm
OMG ya’ll are trying to compare Osh Smith to Vick?
Get the Fugg outta here. Vick is a MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH better football player than Osh is a BBall player.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:25 pm
Hello Irony.Good to see your still out there? LOL I have a correction to make…..LOL
EmirS.
February 23rd, 2011
11:26 pm
Showcased Josh tonight.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:26 pm
Hinrich is ok, especially defensively. He’s a step up from Bibby. But he never drives to the basket either.
And Bibby will thrive playing behind Wall
Rev in Tampa
February 23rd, 2011
11:26 pm
I missed the game. Really wanted to see Teague play. It sounds like he had a solid game from the comments, but I am curious – Did he facilitate the offense or defer to the other guys:? Also, how was his defense on Nash?
Roger
February 23rd, 2011
11:26 pm
I’m saying it now: Time to give up the 50-win crown. Most of the team looks like they’ve given up on coach Drew (can’t blame them) and the team. Joe is playing like garbage and showing why his free agent signing this off-season was one of the worst of all time, meanwhile Marvin continues to remind us what a bad move it was to select him #2 overall, and without Bibby to kick around after every loss, most likely Marvin will be taking an even bigger beating from the fans now. Not to mention, Josh will probably get a large amount of criticism. Don’t expect Hinrich to just come in and fix all of this either.
Right now, I’m just trying to decide what the biggest mistake the team made this offseason was. Was it signing Joe to a max contract or was it signing Larry Drew? Both guys have been huge disappointments, but at least Drew’s contract is miniscule and easy to absorb. A real organization would have fired him already. Joe, on the other hand, is virtually untradeable with that awful contract, so I guess Joe’s contract was the worst move.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:27 pm
doesnt seem like players are too enthused about adding a Kirk Hinrich.
looked like the move would’ve been starting Teague and limiting Bibby’s mins.
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
11:27 pm
Now we are suppose to believe Kirk Hinrich is our savior, lmao.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:29 pm
“Joe Johnson is The Matt Ryan of The Hawks”
One slight difference…Matt does not make 500k per night!!! But I see your point!!! Two over hyped over paid athletes that can’t carry their teams to the promise land…….
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:30 pm
Kirk Hinrich Scouting report on SB Nation
Assets * Tough, gritty, and an intense competitor. Has a nice shooting stroke from mid-range and the free-throw line. An excellent passer. Plays above-average man-to-man defense.
Flaws
* Streaky, and commits a few too many turnovers. Not much of a rebounder. Occasionally lets his intensity boil over and takes bad fouls. Too often he falls in love with his three-point shot.
Career Potential
* All-round near-star combo guard & leader.
* Awards2006NBA – Second All-Defensive Team2003NBA – First All-Rookie Team
He also never drives to the basket to draw the foul
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:30 pm
2nd Team All Defensive team – Way to go!
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
11:30 pm
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
11:27 pm
Now we are suppose to believe Kirk Hinrich is our savior
lmao, exactly. If they really are serious about making noise, they’ll make another move. If they don’t, we know how this thing ends. Same ish.
man man
February 23rd, 2011
11:31 pm
we need better play at center and small foward if they think we going somewhere.Hinrich is not the answer so im hoping the hawks are not finished trading.remember hinrich has got replaced by two rookie point guards before.He just couldn’t get the job done.keep that in mine
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
11:31 pm
“Vick is a MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH better football player than Osh is a BBall player.”
Of course. I was comparing the fan reaction to each of them, not their talents. Vick is an MVP candidate. Smoove is a complementary player.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:31 pm
Rev..
ive been critical of his lack of aggressiveness etc. but in my opinion he played well. honestly it would have been nice to see him play 35 tonight . however, Damien was a pit bull out there.. and Jamal was knocking down shots. he looked to take his guard off the dribble and did it w/ success. drew a foul or 2.. got good looks @ the basket.. found open man.
was abused by Nash in single coverage.. but who isnt.. looked like a guy who doesnt get much time.. but shows that w/ time he could be good. ya know.. kinda like last year. smh.
oh well..
W.R.Terrell
February 23rd, 2011
11:32 pm
Well the good news is that we didn’t lose by 20 and the bad news is that we lost. The “smoove” played a good game and a stupid game at the same time, go figure. Can Marvin Williams play at all, he rarely scores well, rebounds appear to be a distant thought and his defense is bigtime suspect. We did make a trade, lets see how it goes because it can’t be as bad as we already are. The SOFT’S are one ugly playing team and if management don’t get rid of more of these so-called players they will ruin the one good thing we have and that’s Al. Dump Josh and Joe and Marvin for draft choices and let’s be done with them. Time for some new heroes because we have way too many ZEROES
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:32 pm
Roger – I say LD was the worst move. A good coach can motivate and unlock JJ’s potential.
Rev in Tampa
February 23rd, 2011
11:32 pm
In the +/- category, the only Hawks player with a positive was Marvin (+8). Yet he went 1-7 with 2 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 assits in 29 minutes. LOL!!!
Roger
February 23rd, 2011
11:32 pm
By the way, forget about homecourt advantage. Unless we got at least the 3rd seed this season, it wouldn’t matter anyway. But, forget about getting the 4th seed. Hell, we might have to fight to even get the sixth seed with the way things are going right now. NY is lacking a lot of things, but they have enough firepower to win a lot of game and they have a great veteran leader with Chauncey now. We have Al and Josh, that’s about it. Joe is playing like he should be in the d-league right now, and no one else on the team is even worth mentioning, unless you want to give Damien credit for his effort. Hinrich is a solid upgrade over Bibby at the point, but he’s going to have a hell of a time trying to compete against elite guards in the playoffs if we make it there. We need something big to go down before the deadline, and we need to get rid of Drew ASAP.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
11:32 pm
Andruw Jones is probably a better cross-sport comparison for Smoove than Vick.
Joe Johnson is The Matt Ryan of The Hawks
February 23rd, 2011
11:32 pm
@ Najeh Davenpoop –
The reason this team is so hard on JS and not JJ is because Josh is more emotional and too “R&B/Rap (street player) than Joe.
At least Josh plays with emotions and want to win. Joe Johnson will be the nail in many coffins within the ASG org as a result of his contract, starting with LD/Sund (not sure who will go first)
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:33 pm
” Now we are suppose to believe Kirk Hinrich is our savior, lmao.”
Naw the “Heimlich Maneuver” is probably better than a Ham sandwich..But the meltdown must continue!!!!!!! Yawn……………………
Nique's Revenge
February 23rd, 2011
11:33 pm
ty for your great play tonight josh – boost your trade value
Joe Johnson is The Matt Ryan of The Hawks
February 23rd, 2011
11:33 pm
correction-
@ Najeh Davenpoop –
The reason the fans are so hard on JS and not JJ is because Josh is more emotional and too “R&B/Rap (street player) than Joe.
At least Josh plays with emotions and want to win. Joe Johnson will be the nail in many coffins within the ASG org as a result of his contract, starting with LD/Sund (not sure who will go first)
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:34 pm
Rev – Teague struggled a little early, but picked it up as the game went on. Of course, LD didn’t trust him to play after the 3rd Quarter. But he really kept the Hawks in it in the 3rd. He was the only one trying for a little while actually..
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:35 pm
Rev – He played Nash and Dragic (who had 0 pts. i think) much better than I thought he would have. He and Wilkens made LD look really bad tonight for not playing them.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
11:35 pm
” Wall said he looks forward to working with Bibby.
“He’s a veteran, so I’m hoping he’ll be able to teach me, too,” the rookie said. ”
Good luck with that.
Most of the time, he’ll sit on the bench biting his nails ready to get out of the arena.
Jae Evolution
February 23rd, 2011
11:37 pm
14 Hours left.
Still time to get a deal done.
Shop Crawford, Shop Smith.
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:37 pm
Teague was clearly better than Bibby last night and tonight.
And Wilkens has been clearly better than Mo’ for a long time.
And JC2 playing next to Wall is a scary thought. Good move for the Wiz’s also.
But Hinrich will instantly make us a tougher team. He’s a beast emotionally. Like a take Josh by the collar and scream at him kind of beast.’
pinoy hawk
February 23rd, 2011
11:37 pm
Although the hawks really had PG issues, the weakest link on this team is LD. He fails to make the proper adjustments on both offense and defense when the need arises.
I definitely agree Woody is much better overall as a coach than LD.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:39 pm
“Hinrich is ok, especially defensively. He’s a step up from Bibby. But he never drives to the basket either”
The more things change the more they stay the same.. In the Hawks case its more like 43 freaking yrs. of the same ish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH…………………
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:39 pm
Kirk Hinrich is currently injured, so Teague may be playing a couple of more games.
Rev in Tampa
February 23rd, 2011
11:40 pm
Big Dave,
Thanks for taking time to give me an update. I really appreciate it!
Its striking to me, even though I did not see the game, that the Hawks did not get blown out. In fact, from the box score it looks like the Hawks only got beat in the second quarter. And I saw the last minute of the game so I think I heard that the Suns outscored the Hawks 12-3 in the final minutes of the game. Am I wrong to conclude that replacing Bibby plugged the leak in the defense that lead to the recent blowouts?
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:40 pm
LD=JIM MORA Twins from a different mother. It’s over baby……..
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:41 pm
Kirk plays so intense, he gets hurt alot. Bibby did not play intense, and never got hurt. So Teague should get some burn right there.
Wabe
February 23rd, 2011
11:41 pm
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:39 pm
“Hinrich is ok, especially defensively. He’s a step up from Bibby. But he never drives to the basket either”
The more things change the more they stay the same.. In the Hawks case its more like 43 freaking yrs. of the same ish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH…………………”
Well put. That about sums it up.
Sautee
February 23rd, 2011
11:41 pm
Joe hasn’t scored more than 14 points in the last SIX games.
In those six games: 29-74 (.39%) and 4-16 from 3 (.25%)
But here is the killer: In six games, 74 FGA but only 8 FTA!
At two FTA per foul that means Joe, in six games, has shot the ball 74 times and only drawn 4 fouls. FOUR!
I wouldn’t have thought that was even possible in the NBA. Can you say non-aggressive?
Our record in those games? 1-5
We need more from our +$199,000.00 per game “star”.
Rev in Tampa
February 23rd, 2011
11:42 pm
Thanks SteveW for the update. I was guessing that we might have more reasons to doubt LD decisions after tonight.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:42 pm
“Kirk Hinrich is currently injured, so Teague may be playing a couple of more games”
See what I mean?…Sund can’t buy a break…………..Just quit dude and go fishing!
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:43 pm
Hilton Armstong Scouting report from SB Nation:
Assets
* Mobile for a man his size. Has a nice wingspan, solid athleticism, and good coordination for his dimensions.
Flaws
* Doesn’t show good hands for shot-making (either in the post or at the free-throw line). Still needs to add muscle to his frame. Hasn’t played up to his physical gifts early in his NBA career.
Career Potential
* Average depth center.
westurd
February 23rd, 2011
11:43 pm
more of the same……snoozer
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:45 pm
Sautee – Hinrich only gets to the line 2.2 times per game in over 30 minutes. I am dissapointed in that. But he’s such an upgrade emotionally and defensively, he will help a ton anyway
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:46 pm
Joe you should feel sorry for yourself cause you know you aint worth 500k per night avg 12-14 points? I wouldn’t pay 10 bucks to watch you in fact you would to pay to watch me….I’ll put my jump shot up against yours and take your money…………………..
gary
February 23rd, 2011
11:47 pm
rick please trade for ramon session for marvin please do it duing midnight.
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:47 pm
Rev..
hard to tell right now.. but i honestly dont think so. i mean, to me.. .we just dont play good team defense. i dont think we have very smart defenders. or maybe its just they dont understand the concepts after being so use to watching, and handing their assignment off in a switch. our so called best defenders get lost or confused, leading to open looks. i think we only have 1 strong overall defender and thats Josh. Joe.. Al.. Jeff… and Marvin are all overrated defensively in the team aspect. pretty solid man defenders. however, help.. rotations. ppfft. just plain ugly. slow.. lethargic.
total opposite of what you see out of a uuuhhhh.. Chicago Bull team.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:49 pm
I have to start watching more Chicago Bulls basketball…..The Hawks are ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Yawn…….
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:50 pm
Hawks just dont play for one another.
Worldwide Clyde
February 23rd, 2011
11:51 pm
Trading Jordan Crawford and the first round pick will hurt
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:52 pm
Bibby was only going to the line .8 times per game in 30 minutes, so kirk does go a little more than Bibby.
But Sessions goes right at 5 times a game in less than 26 mpg. Now that’s a slasher with handles. Maybe he still ends up with the Hawks. We do have the Trade Exception we can use if we gave them Teague or something. Or ZaZa -
Tremaine
February 23rd, 2011
11:52 pm
Joe Johnson has looked about as old as Bibby out there.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:54 pm
Joe’s lost 3.5 steps…..LOL
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:54 pm
With LD as Coach, losing the first pick won’t hurt. But JC2 playing next to Wall might.
Sign Da’Sean Butler!! Quick, you’ve got a roster spot – that’s your 1st pick
SteveW
February 23rd, 2011
11:55 pm
Is JJ hurt?
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:55 pm
no leader.
still no offensive identity that works. still none. we just share the ball more. which is good.
mix in a few post ups, screens to back cut action, pick and rolls and that about sums it up.
coaching staff has yet to realize who’s good at what. or maybe they have and we’re just not very good. i think a combo of both.
Rev in Tampa
February 23rd, 2011
11:55 pm
It is funny how many people are saying that they have completely given up on the Hawks and won’t invest any more time, emotions or money in this team, yet the blog is almost up to 800 posts in four hours…
What’s really happening is that they are SO emotionally invested in this team and so frustrated by them that they feel compelled to say that they are giving up on the team, but they never will. I know because I am one of these people.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:56 pm
Naw JJ’s just worn down from playing to many minutes for the Hawks over his incredible career..LOL
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:56 pm
ZaZa will put a hit on Sund if he sends him to the unfashionable greater Cleveland area. Za Za is not an Ohio type guy..
Jae Evolution
February 23rd, 2011
11:57 pm
So am I Rev.
Regardless, MC in your write up can you mention the possibilities of any more moves before the deadline?
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:57 pm
800 posts in four hours…WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
11:57 pm
MC’s latest Tweet confirms that Zaza was held out today due to being involved in trade discussions.
Shake Something
February 23rd, 2011
11:58 pm
Still got time for a Big..Hinrich is a taller better defending Bibby who can actually pass and will be a better plus if we can add maybe a Robin Lopez or Jason Thompson…I hear the Nets aren’t to friendly with having Brook Lopez, but we gave up to much to the Wiz with that 1st..Teague played like an inexperienced guy with no burn should and hopefully gave LD reason to start and play him more and Damien who played great for a guy who was brought in off 10 day contracts
bigdave
February 23rd, 2011
11:59 pm
that news just brightened my week. no more ZaZA!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
11:59 pm
I’ll say again, though, that I really can’t imagine what the Hawks can deal Zaza for unless they throw in a draft pick to sweeten the pot (which they will have a hard time doing now that they have dealt this year’s pick and cannot by NBA rules deal next year’s pick) or they take back an equally terrible contract (which they probably won’t want to do if the luxury tax is so important to them).
Rev in Tampa
February 23rd, 2011
11:59 pm
Yes. Trade Zaza. Trade Zaza. Trade Zaza.
slimjr
February 23rd, 2011
11:59 pm
ZAZA= The Biggest Stiff I have ever seen………………..LOL
Tyrone
February 24th, 2011
12:00 am
Please trade ZaZa he is ineffective as with Jamal whose selfish. It has come very clear why he was never on a winning team. He is selfish!!! Trade Jamal and ZaZa to Detroit for Prince, Ben Wallace, and McGrady. The numbers work and reduce the Hawks’ salary base next year.
There’s still time!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 24th, 2011
12:00 am
So basically I can’t imagine a realistic scenario in which the Hawks dump Zaza and don’t take back at least an equally bad contract, if not an equally bad player. Jamal is still the only real trade chip this team has.
I still have visions of Ben Wallace getting four offensive rebounds on one possession a week ago against the Hawks dancing around in my head. I don’t care how old he is. I want that guy in a Hawks jersey.
Jae Evolution
February 24th, 2011
12:01 am
Tyrone I’d probably cry tears of joy if the Hawks managed to snag a trade like that.
Shake Something
February 24th, 2011
12:03 am
@Najeh
you think like me about the Pistons, who have valuable Vets.
slimjr
February 24th, 2011
12:03 am
Heimlich Maneuver= Tyrone Lou….Help me out Dept of…….. LOL
Jae Evolution
February 24th, 2011
12:03 am
Regardless I doubt it would happen they have 2 of the most overpaid SG’s in the league in Rip and BG, I doubt they would want another unless they like Jamal’s expiring contract.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 24th, 2011
12:04 am
Hubie Brown likes the Hinrich trade.
slimjr
February 24th, 2011
12:05 am
“Hubie Brown likes the Hinrich trade”
You startin to sound like Sund! UH Oh………………………..LOL
Najeh Davenpoop
February 24th, 2011
12:09 am
“they have 2 of the most overpaid SG’s in the league in Rip and BG, I doubt they would want another unless they like Jamal’s expiring contract.”
It’s all about the expiring deal. Jamal clears $11 million in salary for any team that trades for him.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4m6ravx
Apparently the Pistons are reluctant to do trades unless they are dollar-for-dollar, due to their in-flux ownership situation, but this trade would save them money this season and next. And if the Hawks use their trade exception to get T-Mac in that deal, they will still be under the luxury tax threshold if I’m not mistaken.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 24th, 2011
12:10 am
LMAO… I’m just the messenger dude. They were talking about it right now towards the end of the Clippers-Hornets game. Hubie apparently even thinks Hilton Armstrong is a solid backup.
Rev in Tampa
February 24th, 2011
12:12 am
Has anybody heard or can anybody give an educated guess who might be interested in Zaza?
Also, since Jamal played tonight, does that mean he is not actively being shopped or would not be included in the deal with Zaza?
slimjr
February 24th, 2011
12:23 am
Najeh you should be working for the Hawks Dude..Your the man!
Up next Golden State!!
cp
February 24th, 2011
12:24 am
If the Hawks find a way to move Zaza I will be popping bottles.
Hawks Get Hinrich From Wizards In Five Player Trade » Slam Dunk Central
February 24th, 2011
12:24 am
[...] “Atlanta Journal-Constitution” reported Wednesday night that the Atlanta Hawks and the Washington Wizards have completed a [...]
Mac-Town, Georgia (urban-macon.blogspot.com)
February 24th, 2011
12:27 am
ajchawks Michael Cunningham
#Hawks expect new players tomorrow. Drew says Hinrich eventual starter at PG: “We have got to get him acclimated as fast as we can”
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slimjr
February 24th, 2011
12:28 am
the rich get richer…Chicago trying to get OJ Mayo!Wow……………………………………
bigdave
February 24th, 2011
12:29 am
NY looking for a center..
Shake Something
February 24th, 2011
12:39 am
Zaza and the trade exception is the most likely to happen with him
shaun emmons
February 24th, 2011
12:41 am
Until they act like an NBA team I refuse to pay them! They have no passion and no heart!
I’m done!
MaxxHawk
February 24th, 2011
12:47 am
I am so pissed we let Jordan Crawford go. Why couldn’t it be Marvin Williams?!?
Air Zaza
February 24th, 2011
12:52 am
The Grizzles turned down the deal for Mayo from Chi and NJ.
Booo!
February 24th, 2011
1:05 am
smh…..been reading various Wizard blogs. They are dumbfounded by this move. They cant beleivewe would give up Jordan Crawford and a #1 pick…just smh man, I just dont know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XejLyk3kJZg
superiorblogman
February 24th, 2011
1:07 am
Knicks want a C, get Brewer (Al’s old teammate) for Zaza or send Marvin, Zaza, and a 1st or Marvin, Zaza, and Teague for Al Jefferson.
Jae Evolution
February 24th, 2011
1:11 am
Contact the Knicks, Zaza for Turiaf straight up.
ag
February 24th, 2011
1:11 am
bench Marvin, put Joe at SF Hinrich at SG and Teague PG
Mike
February 24th, 2011
1:12 am
Zaza did sit out for tonight, that means there might be a taker for him and Marvin too. I say Utah or GS will be trading with us
niremetal
February 24th, 2011
1:12 am
Food for thought: Say that the trade deadline comes and goes tomorrow without the Wizards shipping Bibby to a contender. Does Bibby approach the Wizards’ front office and ask for a buyout, a la Ilgauskas last year? If so, do we want him back? I can’t speak for Bibby, who would be giving up a lot of money (not to mention his Bird rights) if he agrees to a buyout. To him, the issue is whether he prefers playoff appearances to dollars at this point in his career. But if I’m the Hawks, I’m hoping he does.
Jae Evolution
February 24th, 2011
1:14 am
Niremetal, absolutely we bring Bibby back if that happens. Make no mistake the guy can still play, but this coach LD doesn’t understand that Bibby isn’t a STARTING PG ANYMORE. He is a guy who can come in give good quality LIMITED minutes and produce.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 24th, 2011
1:21 am
Would Bibby even care about Bird rights? It’s not like anyone is going to give him more than the mid level at this point in his career anyway.
EmirS.
February 24th, 2011
1:30 am
Once again:
Earlier today on NBA TV, Jason Quick, from The Orgenian, reported via an interview with NBA Gametime that the Portland TrailBlazers have been wanting Jamal Crawford on their roster since November of 2010.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
February 24th, 2011
3:21 am
Boooo – AHHH MAN! I can’t watch those highlights brah. I wish we could have held on to the young upstart who yanked on Lebron, lol.
I welsom Hinrich and Armstrong though.
TheAntiMe
February 24th, 2011
4:17 am
I think that Kirk Hinrich’s defense has got to be better than Bibby’s, without a doubt. The problem is, that if the rest of the Hawks that have proven that they can play defense keep playing D only when they feel so inclined, the addition of one player more who is better defensively really isn’t going to change anything until the other Hawks get their fannies in gear.
A Blanks
February 24th, 2011
7:11 am
I am happy you all are not falcon fans
richbrave
February 24th, 2011
7:14 am
TheAntiMe:
HINRICH can defend BIBBY all day with one hand tied behind his back. He only has trouble handling elite one’s and two’s. And he smart, tough, and a total team player. But you’re right. The others have to participate also. I like the trade from both sides. I think it improves the HAWKS now, and the WIZARDS future.
gt
February 24th, 2011
7:36 am
The Roy William’s connection is interesting considering Drew just yanked his kid out of Roy’s program. He was also looking at a second guard from UNC. It will be interesting also to see how a discipled hard nose defender mixes in with the established personality of the Hawks. This may be exactly what Teague needs to see.
Robert
February 24th, 2011
7:57 am
no way should we have given up a first rd pick in that trade.Armstrong is lame and won’t be any help to this team.We have a buch of idiot’s managing this team.
NOTSO FAST
February 24th, 2011
7:58 am
Gave up way to much. We will see the day that we wouldn’t trade Jordon Crawford for the reat of the players involved.
PEDRO EL GITANO
February 24th, 2011
8:11 am
YO ESTOY CONTENTO.JORDAN CRAWFORD SERA UN GRAN ANOTADOR,PERO SI RENOVAMOS A JAMAL TENDREMOS LAS ESPALDAS CUBIERTAS.ESPERO QUE HINRICH Y ARSMTRONG SEAN TITULARES,AMBOS ESTAN EN PLENO CENIT DE SUS CARRERAS Y NOS VAN A AYUDAR MUCHO.ES UN MOVIMIENTO PARA EL PRESENTE Y CREO QUE VA A SALIR BIEN,LOS BASES RAPIDOS Y PIVOTS ALTOS YA NO LO TENDRAN TAN FACIL.ES UN SALTO DE CALIDAD CLARAMENTE!!!!
mrbjgus
February 24th, 2011
8:32 am
The Hawks will be terrible for years to come. They reached their peak last year and now begins the downward spiral. Joe Johnson signing was terrible and now this. You never give up a 1st round pick and your starting point guard for a ok player
Big D
February 24th, 2011
8:42 am
Where are you at HAWKS HOMERS…this trade favors the Wiz and the Wiz only. I never saw Jordan Crawford touch the floor and Mo Evans rarely plays and we give up a 1st rd pick to boot. The Hawks have the WORST Mgmt in pro sports.
Larry Drew is the new Woody hands down
Dan
February 24th, 2011
9:05 am
Portland is trying to get rid of Greg Oden! I would take a flyer on Greg Oden!!! Sure he cant play this year but maybe next? And besides we have guys that sit at the end of the bench that dont play so I say it give it a shot!
Hugo
February 24th, 2011
9:19 am
I agree that we needed a trade but i am not sure if we improved much. A first tier center is needed to move Al to pf. Kirk is a great player and he also might bring some Whites to the game. I hope to see Atl win a Championship before I die. One championship in the last 149yrs suck for Atl.
craig hendricks
February 24th, 2011
9:22 am
wake me when its over. this deal stinks.
Dan
February 24th, 2011
9:24 am
Maybe a change of scenery? Maybe we should get Hasheem Thabeet !
Bruce Mac
February 24th, 2011
9:26 am
Yawn!!! Wake me up after the Magic blow out the Hawks once again. Atlanta = Losersville once again.
ReddJonn68
February 24th, 2011
9:31 am
Blah Blah Blah Blah. Same old Rick Sund trading for a player we already had here before, sounds like a Charlie Brown cartoon. Fire his @ss @sap!!!!!
mowreck
February 24th, 2011
9:53 am
I like the trade EXCEPT … I would NEVER give up my first round pick … of course we haven’t fared too well in that position very often.
faye
February 24th, 2011
9:54 am
I am not sure if this was the right thing to do. Atlanta always make the mistake of trade the wrong person. I have notice that I do not like it when it come to worry about first draft choice in the future. I also don’t know why is Atlanta think it a good deal. We all know that good Player isn’t going to play for us and they prefer to play elsewhere (kobe was suppose to be play with NC but he didn’t want too and I didn’t think it was right for him to do that) My question is why can the owner or the whoever in charge to change the rule to force player to play the team who draft them regard the team is a losing team. I am going to bet you on my feet and say we won’t be as good as everyone hope so
slimjr
February 24th, 2011
10:01 am
“no way should we have given up a first rd pick in that trade.Armstrong is lame and won’t be any help to this team.We have a buch of idiot’s managing this team.”
I concur. Sund got rape on this one!!! They bent him over without Vaseline.The dingbat gave up two 1st rd picks for the Heimlich Maneuver.Are you kidding me???
It has been a Hawks tradition to hire incompentent GM’s..The tradition contunies…And the beatdowns go on and on and on and on…..BLAH BLAH BLAH…………..1-5 last 6! OUCH!!!!!! The New York Knicks just became a legit contender..The Hawks will get swept again…..
up next your guess?
deep cover
February 24th, 2011
10:03 am
Disappointing move, Hawks, but it helped me make a decision about renewing my floor seats for next year. NOT!!
slimjr
February 24th, 2011
10:07 am
meant continues…help me spell check….lol
ICECOLD
February 24th, 2011
10:13 am
One more note from Michael Cunningham post game. Many were wondering where Zaza Pachulia was in this game and it appears he was held out due to a potential trade so stay tuned as the Hawks may not be done dealing yet.
Zaza was held out as the Hawks continued trade discussions. I’m thinking any swap would be big for big but no word yet on the details of the teams/players involved.
this sounds good… i hope this is true.. him and marvin need to go for a starting center… so i guess it would be marvin, zaza, 3 million dollars ( trade exception, ) and a first round and second round pick , (2013)………… for
tyson chandler
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=46jxtmk
starting five could be
Kirk Hinrich
joe johnson
josh smith
al horford
tyson chandler
we got till 3 oclock… lets try to make this work!!!
slimjr
February 24th, 2011
10:14 am
SUND AND GEARON IF I KNEW 3 WEEKS AGO THAT DWILL WANTED OUT OF UTAH THAT MEANS YOU GUYS KNEW EVEN LONGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE DONE EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO PULL OFF A TRADE TO BRING THAT DUDE INTO ATLANTA AND MAKE US A CONTENDER….BUT YOU DID NOT…..YOUR INTERESTED IN CONTENDING JUST BY YOUR ACTIONS….
YOU GUYS ARE ONE LOUSY GROUP OF OWNERS/MANAGERS…I COULD SEE YALL GOING BANKRUPT………………………..I DON’T WISH THAT ON ANYBODY BUT YOU GUYS DONT HAVE WHAT IT TAKE TO GET THE JOB DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KICK ROCKS BUSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GARBAGE…………………..
DHD
February 24th, 2011
10:15 am
“Atlanta = Losersville once again.”
Name another city with playoff teams in baseball, football and basketball.
Thank you.
slimjr
February 24th, 2011
10:20 am
“starting five could be
Kirk Hinrich
joe johnson
josh smith
al horford
tyson chandler”= ANOTHER PLAYOFF SWEEP FOR THE 3RD STRAIGHT TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReddJonn68
February 24th, 2011
10:22 am
Does anybody in Atlanta besides the fans, want a RING ????? I’m just saying!
julius
February 24th, 2011
10:29 am
dumb ass asg ownership how that hell u trade ur first draft for a loser point guard? they should had gotten Deron Williams then the hawks had a chance on the playoffs. Come on ASG can u guys run this team in the right direction?
ICECOLD
February 24th, 2011
10:30 am
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4pun3pm
this is how we can get rid of Marvin Williams and ZAZA Pachulia
and get a Starting aggressive center Marc Gasol
and a back up power forward and a shooting guard , (back up)
starting five would be
Kirk Hinrich
Joe Johnson
Josh Smith
Al Horford
Marc Gasol
back ups be
Jeff teague, jamal Crawford, Damien Wilkins, craig smith, and Jason collins
i think thats a pretty good team going into the playoffs… and if we wanna trade people next year.. we still have some pieces to do it , and a few expiring contracts !!!
Bruce Mac
February 24th, 2011
10:32 am
Everybody in this stupid sport makes the playoffs. Big friggin deal. Falcons, what a joke. Haven’t won a playoff game in five years. Braves, really?
SSURadio.com
February 24th, 2011
10:33 am
How come we did not do this deal before the season?: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/06/report-wizards-trade-for-kirk.html
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
10:36 am
We do have 2 second round picks this year and next to sweeten any deal. And both the Suns pick and Houston’s ought to be pretty good, low to mid forties.
ICECOLD
February 24th, 2011
10:37 am
you still got Al Jefferson, Tyson Chandler, Andrew Bynum, Deandre Jordan, Chris Kamen, and so on and so forth… DO something!!! make a big trade.. that other trade didnt even get any reconition on espn… they talkin about the Baron Davis trade, but not the Hawks trade.. they obviously know its a pointless trade unless we get a starting center!!!
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
10:39 am
Hinrich – Voted Captain of the Bulls 4 straight years.
Major’s in Leadership and hustle
Inarguably one of the top 10 defenders amongst PG’s
2nd team All Def. Team 2007
Made the Olympic Team
We will fall in love with his hustle
Smiling Jack
February 24th, 2011
10:46 am
In this case, any trade is better than no trade! Look, last night the Hawks were no worse off with Jeff Teague as the point guard than they have been with Mike Bibby. Jordon Crawford and Jeff Teague really have not been developed as guards by Hawks coaching. There have been other young guards on the Hawks roster in years past that have failed here, but moved on to have success with other teams. Jason Terry is one name that comes to mind, but there have been others.
Steve
February 24th, 2011
10:53 am
The deal wasn’t bad, we gave up Bibby who can’t play defense at all and JC2 who is a scorer but obviously they don’t see much coming out of him and Mo Evans which I am not even sure what he does for the team. They got Hinrich who is a serviceable 1 or 2 guard and got a big which is what they desperately needed, plus Hinrich can play defense.
North over south
February 24th, 2011
10:54 am
Atlanta sport teams are king of bottom of barrel
brandon
February 24th, 2011
11:05 am
Basically all this trade does is the same thing it did in ‘08 when we got Bibby. Hinrich is the same age pretty much Bibby was when we first got him and three years later Hinrich will be the same age as Bibby is now. Also, we had Acie Law at the time and he’s comparable to where Jeff Teague is now. So I guess in 3 years we’ll be essentially look to do the same trade again and have another Law/Teague type at the PG??? I sure hope not. The front office needs to get a young *promising* PG NOW!
JeJe
February 24th, 2011
11:07 am
Brandon, the difference is Hinrich actually plays defense
S(n)oaring Hawk
February 24th, 2011
11:10 am
Is the atl spirit huffing gas? Why cant we get some good trades? Hinrich is not bad, but the other guy. It reminds me of years past of trading baseball cards. There we people you new were good at trading cards cards and if you were bad at trading cards, do not trade cards!
David
February 24th, 2011
11:11 am
All of you who believe this trade is good should be slapped across the face just like our GM. Granted Bibby blows on defense and hinrich is a plus for the defensive side. But in all honesty lets break the trade down more than that. We just gave up a young talent in jordan crawford who is a pure scorer. We never even gave him a chance to show what he can do. He will be a force in this game at one point in his career. He knows how to score and we gave that up for hinrich and armstrong are you kidding me. Not only that but we gave them cash and a first round draft pick. How in the hell is that a beneficial or an even trade. Im pretty positive hinrich wont be bringing us a championship anytime soon. All in all the hawks front office should be embarrassed. If you want to see how not to run a franchise just look at the hawks.
joey
February 24th, 2011
11:12 am
hawks need to get a real center trade zaza and marvin for al jefferson from utah and get a sm forward role player in exchange
brandon
February 24th, 2011
11:12 am
JeJe, that is true, but we need a PG that’s actually going to stick around for a while. I do like Hinrich, but it feels like it’s the same trade that was done for Bibby 3 years ago in a few areas. His defense will definitely help though.
Gator
February 24th, 2011
11:13 am
Is Hinrich going to coach????
S(n)oaring Hawk
February 24th, 2011
11:14 am
David
February 24th, 2011
11:11 am
Dave, the problem is the Hawks think the have their grown up panties on to play with the grown ups……
Will
February 24th, 2011
11:21 am
This team and ownership, is so terrible and out of touch, with the fans here in Atlanta
Magic Johnson, please buy the hawks, Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
joey
February 24th, 2011
11:21 am
anyboday hear about the hawks trying to trade zaza with someone else?
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
11:25 am
Joey – Yes. ZaZa and Sessions salaries match perfectly. I think they may be trying to work out some other details, like including Teague for Manny Harris and Leon Powe or Ryan Hollins.
S(n)oaring Hawk
February 24th, 2011
11:25 am
@joey, some one else? Do not give them any ideas!
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
11:26 am
Joey – and maybe some of the Hawks 4 second round picks they have the next 2 years….
dmcgourty
February 24th, 2011
11:26 am
Bibby will be missed. It just seems we could of done so much better, shoot even could of gone after Mo Williams. Don’t we still have that trade exception from chilldress too. Childress didn’t even play last night whats up w/ that. You’d think he would wanna put it to us too. Even w/ Bibby gone Teague still didn’t get much playing time. Should of gave them Teague and kept JC2
Horford is our Savior
February 24th, 2011
11:27 am
Atlanta…Imagine if we could buy alcohol on Sunday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TOM_UuQzc0
fan of the game
February 24th, 2011
11:27 am
Trade the Head Coach. How do you respect a guy that allows his son to quit? Even he called the coach because his son undoubtedly didn’t have the guts. If he was unhappy he could have finished the year and then transferred. I wouldn’t pay a dime to watch him coach.
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
11:27 am
I liked JC2 also. But LD is obviously a “vet” coach, and doesn’t use the young guys much. He goes with what he knows ala, Bibby and Mo’ over Teague and Wilkens
Time
February 24th, 2011
11:28 am
I have to laugh when I read people on here poopoo’ing the trade just because ESPN is not talking about it.
Probably gave up too much with the first rounder being in there. But recent history says the Hawks would just waste that pick anyways so no matter. Hinrich is probably about as best as you could hope for given what the teams needs are. Nash would have been ideal, and I don’t understand why Pheonix isn’t dealing him. But barring Nash, you needed a hard noses pass first PG who can shoot when needed and not get destroyed on defense every time down the court. I think that’s Hinrich. If Armstrong can contribute at all as a big off the bench I feel like it’s a good trade.
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
11:29 am
Hinrich and Josh may clash. Hinrich will not give the ball to Josh on the perimeter on a regular basis I don’t think.
But Josh and Hinrich will up our D a ton.
Athenzdawg
February 24th, 2011
11:29 am
Sooo we needed help and we got another non pure point who scores less but plays defense more and a five who sees about 1 minute per game because he is a stick with a head on it. WOOOO who is pumped? Really no one? Oh and we gave up another first round pick for both. How bad do you have to be when you can’t even crack the Wizards line up for more than a minute a game….I’m done with this team. Ship them off to Florida or Kentucky and let’s wait until football season again.
JeJe
February 24th, 2011
11:30 am
Exactly, Time.
Draft picks are worthless with this franchise
JeJe
February 24th, 2011
11:32 am
Got a friend in New Orleans who says Hilton Armstrong has awful hands and sucks
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
11:32 am
I think Horford may be able to tutor Armstrong and get him on a weight program or something. He probably won’t help us much this year however.
And Teague’s day may be coming. Jamal is gone after this year, so he’ll probably be 1st G off the bench next season. And then Hinrich’s gone after next season. Maybe LD will trust Teague by then.
DHD
February 24th, 2011
11:35 am
Athenzdawg…you MUST be done with the Dawgs as well then…because they suck.
DBall
February 24th, 2011
11:39 am
Fans, please take a look at what’s going on here with the Hawks. From a management standpoint it’s another one & done playoff team. No invest for a championship team to make a run in the playoffs (if they make the playoffs). Enjoy the rest of this short season!!!
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
11:41 am
Athenzdawg – I think you may change your mind when you see Hinrich play. The guys a competitor.
Trojan
February 24th, 2011
11:42 am
The management of the Hawks are reacting. There is no plan. There is no long term thoughts of having a real center.
To their credit, we now have atleast solid people at 4 positions.
TruAtlFan
February 24th, 2011
11:42 am
as i can see u people on here r blind if yall really think moving bibby is gone help our defense. now tru enough bibby cant gaurd anyone but did you take a look at josh last night. frye cant even put the ball on the floor and josh is playing 4 feet offf he is not a good dfender yall get caught up in all the blocks that he get. ge can have 3 blocks but what about his man getting 20 and 10 every night. we just gave up the best shooter on the floor for us yes he was slumping but u dont get rid of your best three point shooter now who is gone stretch the floor.AND ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH OUR STARTING LINEUP LAST NIGHT THE GAURDS COULDNT EVEN OPERATE BECAUSE THERE R 4 PEOPLE STANDING AROUND THE PERIMETER AND ONE OF THEM IS OUR PF. HORFORD WAS GETTING DOUBLED BY JOSH MAN WHILE HE STAND ON THE WING AND SHOOT JUMPERS DONT GET ME WRONG HE HIT A COUPLE BUT HOW DOES HE MAKE HIS TEAM BETTER.BLAKE GRIFFIN 1ST YEAR AVERAGING 22 AND 10 JOSH BEEN IN THE LEAUGUE 6YRS IS IT HAS YET TO AVERAGE 20 AND 10.TRU STAEMENT JUST CAUSE U DO FANCY DUNKS DONT MAKE U GOOD. LONG AS HE IS IN ATLANTA WHERE HE IS BORN AND RAISED PROBABALY HANGIN OUT WIT THE BOYS DRINKING SMOKING. HE WILL NEVER GROW UP AND REACH HIS POTENTIAL. TRADE JOSH SMITH WHILE HE STILL HAS VALUE THEN WE CAN B A REAL TEAM
ATFail
February 24th, 2011
11:42 am
Trade Marvin for a couple of ham sandwiches and a day pass to Zoo Atlanta
foodfight
February 24th, 2011
11:45 am
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.Sorry,I must have drifted off.
dukester
February 24th, 2011
11:49 am
Sund resigned 3 players a year ago. Bibby, Marvin, and Zaza. I said at that time he set this organization back “5 years” with those signings. The whole “core” thing has come back to bite him. Why are we now talking about trading those same 3 players. Sund should be fired for this reason alone, but he can survive becomes we have ownership that doesnt know any better.
I remember New Orleans traded Tysoon Chandler to Charlotte for a bag of basketballs and they then traded him to Dallas for some old sweat pants Tree Rollins used to wear. Marcus Camby was traded from Denver to Portland for large sprite and some pretzels.
Baron Davis and Deron Williams was traded yesterday at the PG position and we got Kirk Hinrich. I am through with them until this ownership and GM group is gone I will not support this team.
DHD
February 24th, 2011
11:51 am
TruAtlFan: Somebody switched several of your letters on your keyboard.
Where do these people come from? Government schools???
Brandon
February 24th, 2011
11:54 am
At first I was upset that the Hawks through in the draft pick but when you look at how poorly the hawks usually draft it’s not really a big deal. Mike Bibby was given too large of a contract, glad it’s able to be off the books. Now get rid of Marvin.
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
11:56 am
MC, backing up my assessment of the Hawks (and I say LD)
‘Michael Cunningham:
Moving Jordan and the first-round pick is the latest indication the Hawks, when push comes to shove, are more focused on making moves they think will help now vs. player and asset development in the future.”
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
11:58 am
John Hollinger’s reaction to the trade:
“John Hollinger gave the Hawks a B:
As far as need goes, it’s tough to do better than this. Atlanta Hawks fans who have spent half a decade watching their point guards get torched night after night will now have to cope with the shocking sight of Hinrich competently defending opponents at either guard spot.”
sam'
February 24th, 2011
11:59 am
Now I’ll have to learn to spell Hinrich. The question is asked…..how does this make a better team? Well, for months, the point guard issue has been….Bibby is too old (or physically hobbled) to defend other point guards and that kills Atlanta’s defense with other people trying to make up his weakness. Hinrich will solve that problem. He plays defense. The other rap was Bibby doesn’t set up and run the offense in the manner of a physically fit point guard. Hinrich isn’t afraid to hustle and drive and is smart. So, in the short haul, there’s your answer. You now have a point guard and someone who isn’t a defensive liability.
I like Bibby…..but signing a new contract with the Hawks and suddenly “going lame” really screwed this team. I don’t think Sund is to blame for Bibby’s physical problems except maybe lacking the intuition to ferret it out or an escape clause in the contract to deal with something like this.
Frickin’ Evans. He showed he could play a few years ago, then funked out when he was bypassed. Good point……He actually spoke out at one time about the “unspoken problem” with the Hawks. Bad point…..I think he could have been a really good player had he worked harder and stayed focused. just an impression..
JC….probably a better project than Teague….and the first round draft pick…….other bloggers saying the Hawks would probably have screwed that up anyway, so it’s okay…….WRONG……Good teams use their draft picks and develop players or trade up to better picks and then put together a package deal for great players…..though I appreciate the frustration, and why am I on a day old blog anyway?
Just to let you know I don’t think a skinny white guy with guts is such a bad trade even though you lost a draft pick you shouldn’t have…
….
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
12:00 pm
Larry Drew commenting on Jeff Teague last night at Phoenix:
Larry Drew on Jeff Teague:
“I thought he came out aggressive in attack mode and used his speed and quickness. We need that. I thought he did a tremendous job breaking the defense down and getting to the basket. That’s the way he has to play. Don’t worry about turning the basketball over, just keep the pressure on the defense.”
So that’s why you only played him 19 minutes, and not at all in the 4th. Got it.
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
12:02 pm
Teague and Sy are now the only 2 players we are developing. And with no 1st pick this year, not much there. We are in win now mode.
Josh
February 24th, 2011
12:06 pm
I hear the Hawks are interested in drafting Romeo Miller out of USC this off-season
DHD
February 24th, 2011
12:06 pm
We could see Sy soon. (did I just say that?)
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
12:07 pm
Love what Hoopinion said about the Hawks and young players:
“When Jordan Crawford saw his playing time decrease upon Joe Johnson’s injury, it appeared he was on the typical young Hawk career path. Who knows what kind of player he’ll become but it’s hard to envision him becoming a useful player here. Same goes for whoever the Hawks would have picked late in this summer’s draft.”
The Hawks just don’t develop young players. They just don’t for whatever reason.
Roundfield
February 24th, 2011
12:11 pm
Trade was good for the WIZ and who really cares anymore anyway?
Hawks are going nowhere! Franchise is doomed to NBA mediocrity.
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
12:11 pm
Here is a Wizard writer explaining why he thinks the Wizards made a lukewarm trade at best:
“Part of my issue here is that I don’t think Jordan Crawford is all that good. Crawford strikes me as one of those NCAA Tournament stars that gets overrated because people see him then. He hasn’t played very much this year, but when he has, it hasn’t been pretty (7.5 PER, 42.1% TS%, an astronomical 27.9% usage rate). Granted, it’s 160 minutes, he’s been hurt and he’s still just 22, but the only real flashes that we’ve seen is him going crazy in a preseason game against the Wizards. I’m also confused about his long-term projected role. Is he a Nick Young replacement? Is he a point guard? Is he instant offense off the bench at a cheaper price than Young? I just don’t see a built-in role for him in the future.”
HawkKingBibby
February 24th, 2011
12:11 pm
I have to change my handl now. Bad trade we gave up way too much for a guy who is washed up.
Big Chris
February 24th, 2011
12:12 pm
The owners are trying to patch a hole with plastic wrap. It will hold for a short time, but eventually POP!!! KH is a nice addition, just not enough and DEFINITELY not enough, considering we threw in that draft pick.
TampaHawk
February 24th, 2011
12:13 pm
This trade does make us better simply because he can play defense and Bibby can’t. The reason he got traded from Chicago is because of Rose, not that bad of a reason. I would like it if he were younger and wish we couldve kept Evans. You have to give somethin to get somethin, We should be better but nothing except a true superstar Center can help us compete with Boston or Miami and now even Chicago
Trojan
February 24th, 2011
12:19 pm
Whenever LD speaks, I quit listening. Useless words.
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
12:20 pm
We basically get Hinrich for 1 season + 25 games and the playoffs. Is it worth a 1st pick and JC2? Probably. But I really like JC2.
Grandad – Are game for Battier for Marvin, if the Rockets give us a 1st pick? That may happen. Houston really wants him out, expiring contract at 7+ mill.
SteveW
February 24th, 2011
12:23 pm
Or it could be Marvin and ZaZa for Battier, Brooks, and Chuck Hayes.
Veteran Fan
February 24th, 2011
12:41 pm
We have two hours to move Josh, Marvin, and Zaza for Kevin Love and Darko! Please Rick get it done and we can compete for the title this year!
sam'l
February 24th, 2011
12:42 pm
I think a lot of you are forgetting one thing. Hinrich is intelligent. He’ll listen to the coach, size up his team, and find ways to get the ball to the players, in good shooting positions, quickly, on a consistent basis. Then, he’ll implement what HE knows about the game. So you’ll have bonafide should be stars, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith and Al Horford,and occasionally Crawford seeing the ball in positive situations. In this case, overwhelming athletic ability may not be as important as fitting in and seeing the whole thing flow. Maybe we can even find a shot or two for Marvin Williams and wake him up although if I read Mr. Williams, he thinks he’s doing just fine and is waiting to get out of this city. Unfortunately, he’s not going to be able to skate ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE LEAGUE.
As for as the defense, the whole blog has been whining about Bibby’s lack of defense. If Hinrich is still serious about playing hard, maybe this will be worth 10 points or so a game, just five baskets that maybe someone will get in the way of or put a hand up at the right time to stop. MC had the guts to say it…Hawks only play defense for maybe a guarter a game…….
This is an idealized version of how this trade could work out, and Hinrich is probably already thinking this way…..
If anyone remembers last year, we had the energy and brilliance to beat every NBA team at least once (except OKC). It’s basically the same team. We beat teams with Lebron, Dwayne, Kobe, Deron, Boston (4 times), Tim Duncan…….Carmelo, Amare, blah, blah…..We just didn’t have the brains to figure out Orlando………
So there is a chance this will work out…….
Now as far as the slackers and bad boys on the team……who I now consider Smith, Williams, J. Johnson (actually he’s in a world of his own), and Crawford (who could be better as he proved last year)……..as far as these guys……..they might not want to be successful…..if the new skinny white guy shows them up in effort,hustle, drive, heart and ability to win basketball games.
But the talent is there. and the Hawks now have a point guard who is both intelligent (as was Bibby) and reasonably healthy, with a track record of giving his soul to the game.
That’s how this COULD work out.
Jai
February 24th, 2011
12:45 pm
The Hawks should have traded that Joe Johnson for Melo. Joe is not a #1 go to guy and never have been. Until that happen the Hawks will always suck. Hell, he told us he didn’t care if we showed up or not….Then the Hawks break the bank on this guy??? I still would be trying to ship that guy. ATL don’t support that guy!
joey
February 24th, 2011
1:10 pm
5
sam'l
February 24th, 2011
1:10 pm
Ship pachulia out…..either save Crawford for next year somehow or ship him out.
Whoever said we could have have Deron for Jamal and draft pick……..is that really true? I mean it looks good in retrospect but was anything EVER SAID to indicate that COULD have happened.
Maybe it’s being part of the country that was defeated and burned to the ground and demoralized that produces this attitude. (Hell no, I’m not defending slavery) But it seems to me the ability to trade is based on the perception of strength and weakness, and the Hawks are ALWAYS in a position of weakness, even when they have great players. Why do the Hawks always seem to get burned in a trade……why don’t WE get Amare, Deron or Carmelo…….
I think it’s mental……and we project, we are perceived….and likewise, even know there are mountains and diversity, the stars don’t want to come here……
Heck, Boston was a horrible team before the sweetheart McHale-Aingle deal that sent Garnett to Beantown, then Ray Allen warmed up to the idea…….Miami is cool enough to lure Bosh and the Kingly One……LA…..No one can tell me that the league didn’t overlook gross tampering when Jerry West decided to gamble the Bus’ financial empire, Staples and the Laker franchise on signing Shaq. The trick was you COULDN’T ASK Shaq is he would sign before you gave away players to gain the contract leverage to sign Shaq…..but somehow it all worked out……
Because LA was percieved as cool.
New York gets Carmelo because it is cool.
New Jersey was not cool, but a Russian billionaire will make it cool with a whopping real estate deal and a return to new york.
Atlanta is “not cool” Perhaps it’s not really the “New York of the South.” Maybe it’s like an “overgrown Birmingham.” At any rate, it is neither the basketball capitol of the South nor a true media capital,or the preferred destination of star basketball players, which unfortunately AS MUCH AS THE DRAFT is now a deciding factor in a successful NBA franchise.
No criticism from the peanut gallery please. …….My heart’s in the right place. I want the Hawks to win..
Robert
February 24th, 2011
1:16 pm
Sund,you idiot.You were in Pheonix,you should have traded Bibby,Marvin,Zaza and 2 draft pics for Nash,Gortat and Childress.
Big D
February 24th, 2011
1:23 pm
Save us the hot air rhetoric HAWKS HOMERS this team with the addition of journeyman Hinrich and Armstrong will be 6th or 7th seed in the playoffs and bounced out the 1st rd in 5
GrymmDaReaper
February 24th, 2011
1:25 pm
I like Kaman for the Hawks. Not sure if we have trade bait, or if it works out financially, but I want Kaman. By the way, we need to trade Josh Smith if the deal is right ( not getting raked over the coals ). The only way I would not have Josh on the trading block is if he could be used to lure Dwight Howard here in 2012 ,under the table kind of like Dwayne Wade did Lebron.
Big D
February 24th, 2011
1:28 pm
The Clips are still dangling Kaman, Bledsoe and Aminu. Trade JSmith and Marvin and get those 3 players if the money matches up and we have a team that could get past round 2. We would instantly have a starting PG in Bledsoe and C in Kaman. Hinrich is SG who plays PG and would add depth to already weak bench
Big D
February 24th, 2011
1:39 pm
Mike Bibby
Washington
Position: Guard
Height: 6-2 Weight: 195
College: Arizona
Player file | Team stats
2010-11 Statistics
PPG 9.4
RPG 2.6
APG 3.6
SPG 0.7
BPG 0.1
FG% 0.435
FT% 0.630
3P% 0.441
MPG 29.9
Kirk Hinrich
Atlanta
Position: Guard
Height: 6-4 Weight: 190
College: Kansas
Player file | Team stats
2010-11 Statistics
PPG 11.1
RPG 2.7
APG 4.4
SPG 1.2
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.452
FT% 0.876
3P% 0.384
MPG 30.6
same player basically
DYB
February 24th, 2011
1:47 pm
Wowww Jordan Crawford will be a superstar i think…Bibby is like 3rd in 3pt percentage…Mo Evans sukz….1st round pick…idk thats alot to give up
Hawks come on do better than that
S(n)oaring Hawk
February 24th, 2011
1:48 pm
BIG D, What do you want? Michael Jordan and Scottie Pipen????
Coach
February 24th, 2011
1:52 pm
Horrible trade! How can you trade 3 players + draft picks for only one player who isn’t even a difference maker… Hinrich is only a small upgrade to Bibby and we give up depth in Mo Evans, youth in Jordan Crawford, and draft picks? This plus Joe Johnson’s monster contract means we have no future.
Big D
February 24th, 2011
1:59 pm
S(n)oaring Hawk
February 24th, 2011
1:48 pm
BIG D, What do you want? Michael Jordan and Scottie Pipen????
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How about a competent ownership and mgmt group for starters. Ive followed this team since 1980 and ever since (1) Nique trade for Manning in 93 and (2) the dismantling of the 99 team with Smitty, Mutombo, Mookie, etc that led to the 10 year playoff drought.
ASG is a complete joke of an ownership group. Our GMs are horrible and we havent had a decent coach since Lenny. Woody got fortunate his last 3 years and that was because of BIBBY. Prior to that what he won 13 games, 29 games and 33 games ……and was on the way to being fired.
Some of you Bibby haters have convenient memories
S(n)oaring Hawk
February 24th, 2011
2:09 pm
I agree with your assessment with this organization, but if they are using the hawks as a losing asset for tax breaks, the Hawks will never be great. Just ho hum.
Time
February 24th, 2011
2:09 pm
Enough with the complaints about giving up Mo Evans. Mo Evans had become about as worthless as he could be. I can’t remember the last time he made a jumper, and to me it always seemed he has some chip on his shoulder because he wasn’t a starter. He’s just not that good. Damian Wilkins is better at playing that role than Evans ever was. No loss there whatsoever.
I’m just hoping Hinrich is enough of a hard nosed tough guy to force this team back into the motion offense that LD hyped so much in the offseason. The team has reverted back into iso jump shot mode as of late. Even Horford has fallen victim. If the Hawks will get back to not standing around on offense, attacking the hoop, and running the court they will be fine. Are they championship contenders? Probably not. But people, the reality is as long as Kobe is in the league with decent talent around him, any other team will be extremely LUCKY to get a ring.
S(n)oaring Hawk
February 24th, 2011
2:13 pm
Time
February 24th, 2011
2:09 pm
But people, the reality is as long as Kobe is in the league with decent talent around him, any other team will be extremely LUCKY to get a ring.
WHAT ABOUT BOSTON?
Big D
February 24th, 2011
2:26 pm
Elite East Teams:
Boston
Miami
Orlando
then there is the rest of the east with Chicago being a player away from beng elite
JB
February 24th, 2011
4:58 pm
This team passed on Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Brandon Roy, now give up first rounder + first round pick for 30 y.o guard. Sine qua non of good GM is ability to draft and find talent. Never win trying to trade for aging vets.
Quiet Storm
February 24th, 2011
6:08 pm
1) Never liked Kirk
2) If Josh continues to attempt to play point guard and 2 guard, maybe we DO need another leaper? – or a coach who can control Josh
i_am_soulstar
February 24th, 2011
7:21 pm
Bibby created a domino effect, one the was not good. With a perimeter defender that can defend, everybody gets to guard their own man, and the Hawks will improve dramatically. It might be enough to win a few in the second round.
What’s our biggest weakness? Getting destroyed by teams with able point guards. Hinrich for Bibby = Problem solved.
i_am_soulstar
February 24th, 2011
7:34 pm
Too bad that Brad Miller trade didn’t go through. That would’ve been awesome.
superiorblogman
February 24th, 2011
7:36 pm
Typical southern white man thinking. Let’s go see if we can get a white boy (Hinrich) to run the black, even if he is the worse candidate for the job. He will fit in good with the confederate flags in good ole Cumming, GA..
Quiet Storm
February 24th, 2011
7:41 pm
Anybody else think Josh Smith has star level talent but becomes disengaged when things don’t go his way? He appears to be just an attitude adjustment away from being an all-star!
Followed the Hawks since Lou Hudson but lack of consistent effort is turning me away. I don’t expect to win every game but can’t stand beiing “blown out”!
ShoNuff
February 24th, 2011
9:46 pm
Man….I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo HAPPY!!!! We finally got a legit PG that will actually penetrate the lanes and make good decisions with the ball, instead of passing the ball to JJ or JC to watch them pound the wood for 18-19 sec. Hinrich will get everyone involved in the offense PLUS play defense….something Bibby could not do. And hopefully he can properly help develop Teague. Yes, this will not get us to the NBA Finals this year, but we are now a better team. I hate we gave away Jordan Crawford, but hopefully we can find a young player with that much talent in the off-season.
HWJ
February 24th, 2011
10:42 pm
Sund needs to be fired!! Awful deal awful… we could of had 5 other better pgs
W.R.Terrell
February 24th, 2011
10:58 pm
^5 to ya Mike and I wish you the best. Now we all will be able to see if there is cohesion amongst the “SOFT’S”. Here are 5 questions (1) Will that “smoove” person run the floor and toss his point guard skills out the window and stop the poundin looking to make a terrific pass (2) will ISO Joe keep the ball moving and not bog the motion offense down “pound, pound, pound”. By the way, Phoenix showed us what a true motion offense is; (3)Will Marvin Williams try and rebound, drive to the basket as a man and take that fuggin leg kick out of his shot (too much effort) to shoot (4) will Jeff Teague finally emerge, I do think he is a talent (5) will Zsa Zsa just bang, rebound, take his put backs and stop trying to be something he is not.
superiorblogman
February 25th, 2011
12:11 am
Kirk Hinrich has the same PER as Marvin but makes more money. We now have 2 of the worse contracts in the league, LMAO. That “DumbSundofaGM”
88Hawksfan
February 25th, 2011
12:34 am
Someone said Josh Smith does not play with heart and gives up too easily when the Hawks are losing. I agree with him getting frustrated, not so much about the giving up part. He gets angry when they are losing, but his biggest problem is that he loves Joe Johnson. I think maybe Josh Powell got not to play one game because he may have told Joe he wasn’t worth all the money the Hawks paid him: “conduct detrimental to the team”. Joe, you have a shinning moment here and htere, but you really are not worth the money the Hawks paid for you. They keep calling Joe “our leader”, but I think Josh and Boss know he’s not worthy of that title. He tried to take the game over the other day when the Hawks needed a basket and ended up running over somebody and committing a foul. He made a 3 point shot when the team needed a couple of points in a hurry, but that’s just one of those shinning moments that come too seldom. I wonder how many players in the league look at Joe when they play against the Hawks and say, man, you stole that money. Deron Williams, Rose, Durant, even Wesbrook are great players, Joe Johnson is not!
88Hawksfan
February 25th, 2011
12:41 am
ZaZa put backs? What ZaZa put backs. I haven’t seen enough to remember any. He got no lift, he does not handle or protect the ball well, and, thus, gets blocked almost every time. What put backs? I feel better about our chances when ZaZa does not play. His time for helping the Hawks, like Bibby and Mo Evans is over. None of those 3, except for the ocassional good night of a barrage of 3 pointers from Bibby did much in a consistent basis. ZaZa comes in commits 2 quick fouls and checks his bank account. He’s never in long enough and when he is no one passes him the ball because they know he’ll mishandle it or miss most shots. Even ZaZa himself can;t wait to get rid of the ball when it ends up in his hands and don;t you think the other teams know what we know about ZaZa? Why are Hawks fans giving ZaZa more credit than he deserves? At least Bibby got us a win from time to time.
AG
February 25th, 2011
1:26 am
Everybody saying we needed a penetrating point guard. Jeff Teague has shot more free throws than Mike Bibby…and is 9-21 3pt
slimjr
February 25th, 2011
2:07 am
this trade for the Hawks wont make a dent in their slide to mediocrity Sund…..
Sund=Sad
will
February 25th, 2011
5:40 am
how do you give up two first round picks in j. crawford and your 2011 pick for a 30 years old guard who could not crack the washington wizards starting line up. somebody, anybody, send a deliver to atlanta, the fans deserve better basketball minds. outside of teague, and that is not saying much, the hawks have no young talents developing on their bench. this is a sign of bad things to come for this team. tirer of the good old boy club. this organization have no clue what it takes to be a winner. the only hope the fans of atlanta have is that the spirit owners sell the team.
sam'l
February 25th, 2011
7:42 am
Hey blogman……I think I overreacted to your message last night, and this is an official apology……it’s just when someone called another human being “garbage” and is talking about their race that I naturally assumed you were evil.
But I figured it out. You are pissed because people like myself have put forth the possibility that a non superstar white player, Hinrich, can lead a bunch of relatively high caliber black players into the promised land as if he were Jesus Christ.
Let’s look at this rationally. The Hawks, a team I have followed for 55 years, are LOST. Joe Johnson and Al Horford keep saying it’s tough, they are no excuses, they don’t know why the effort isn’t there. They sound absolutely LOST man. LD sounds lost, as if he no longer feels he can make it work. Who knows what upper management is saying but I have a good idea it’s lost with gloss.
They’re losing games right and left……lost one by what 50 points? lost a 22 point lead…..act as though they just lie down and give up on their home floor. The team is LOST, black or not. .
So if someone now joints the organization who has played highly organized team basketball successfully whose job it will be to distribute the ball into the right places to our highly talented crew,, it should be a blessing. Bibby unfortunately can no longer perform. Best that he go his own way.
Hinrich could facilitate the whole thing as a living, breathing point guard.
Doesn’t mean he better because he be white……means that he’s been trained already for a role the Hawks need and he hasn’t yet been crushed by whatever spiritual disease the Hawks have. .
Anyway, keep up the superior blogging….and maybe this team will do better…….Sorry I jumped on you. ……
Tremaine
February 25th, 2011
9:46 am
I’m glad the hawks got Hinrich but that trade will not fix bad coaching, bad shot selection, no superstar, and no leadership.
HawkCrazy
February 25th, 2011
10:21 am
Thanks to Bibby for making the Hawks better for a few years but it was time to go. Hinrich can hopefully defend and is about the same player only younger. Jordan and draft pick were probably worthless (like Teague and Zaza). Big problem is still there in Larry Drew. Teams that don’t rebound or Play D will not win and that starts at the Coach. Is Woodson available to finish the season and kick some @#$es and make these guys care? How about Bobby Knight?? Some of these guys need chokin’
Tremaine
February 25th, 2011
10:33 am
HawkCrazy- of course they would be worthless if you don’t use them. “GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE!”
Dukester
February 25th, 2011
10:52 am
Sund should be fired because the 3 names that were rumored to be traded were all players he recently signed. Bibby Zaza and Marvin. Those signings set us back very bad. He should have traded all of them when they had expiring contracts. We should have got baron davis instead on Hinrinch.
Tremaine
February 25th, 2011
10:57 am
Dukester, I agree. He resigned all those guys, plus Joe and hired Larry Drew.
#1hawkfan g
February 25th, 2011
1:58 pm
good trade but why trade crawford?? he got a lot of upside and he can score.should of gave them marvin.
mulligan
February 25th, 2011
2:03 pm
Why is everyone complaining so much.. Do you watch basketball at all or just highlights on sports center. This is a great trade that makes lots of sense. Kirks numbers have gone up yearly for the most part. He shoots career +.500 from the field and he is not great but a good three point shooter. He is a gritty, tough, hard working player that I believe will help Atlanta over the hump. Yes they gave up another 1st round pick that can be a good one. Yes years ago the hawks drafted Pau Gasol and have history with overlooking some talent. The key here is the east is more top heavy than recent years and this is a trade that the organization needed for a payoff run. Hawks need a true center (love ya horford) and hello finals
myrak43
February 25th, 2011
3:57 pm
I hope Bibby comes back to Atlanta. if the hawks buy out Etan Thomas and/or Powell they maybe able to bring back Bibby after the Wiz buy him out plus they can get another big somewhere i.e. D-league or off the waiver wire
W.R.Terrell
February 25th, 2011
6:13 pm
Well tonight will give us a lil hint of what may come. I bet that “smoove” person do that dumb point guard thing he does or stay near the 3 point line when he should be inside banging. Has Marvin ever thought about shooting in and around the top of the key, say like from 15 to 10 feet away from the basket and maybe even rebound. What I think we are going to see is “STOOPID” ball again. I hope not but keeping that “smoove” fella means dumb basketball again, he definitely wants to be Mr. Fantastic of the Fantastic Four, he must be a comic book reader. I want to see what the ISO Joe gonna do. Here’s a hint an clue…..”POUND….POUND….POUND”. Well I have my Maalox sitting here already, just thinking about being blown out upsets my stomach. I really do hope the “SOFT’S” earn their paycheck but we will see. Does not matter if they are in disagreement with the coaches philosophy, they gettin paid to do it and execute it properly but then again, maybe learning is foreign to them, at least to that “smoove” fella and the “POUNDER”.
Miles D
February 25th, 2011
8:56 pm
REALLY!!! KIRK HINRICH AND HILTON ARMSTRONG ARE SUPPOSED TO GET US OVER THE HUMP!!! KIRK HINRICH……..LIKE I SAID WHATEVER HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Little Fawkers
February 25th, 2011
9:23 pm
Hawks will finish ten games behind the Heat. The Bulls are what everyone expected the Hawks to be by now. 2007 Celtics series seems so long ago. I still say trade more of these clowns.
FYI – Joe Johnson is no Derek Rose. We need a real team leader. TRADE!!!!!!
mp
February 26th, 2011
9:19 am
We’re going to regret giving up Jamal Crawford. Watch, he will be a beast within 3 years.