Atlanta Hawks: Bibby for Hinrich in five-player deal
Loading ...Phoenix–After striking out in their efforts to acquire point guards Devin Harris and Raymond Felton, the Hawks agreed to terms with the Wizards on a trade for veteran Kirk Hinrich and athletic big man Hilton Armstrong, the team announced tonight.
As part of the deal, the Hawks sent Mike Bibby, rookie Jordan Crawford, swingman Mo Evans and their 2011 first-round draft pick to the Wizards.
Bibby, Crawford and Evans were informed of the trade prior to the team’s game against Phoenix tonight. Jeff Teague replaced Bibby in the starting lineup.
Hawks coach Larry Drew declined to comment on the trade before the game because it wasn’t yet official.
The Bulls selected Hinrich, 30, with the seventh overall pick out of Kansas in the 2003 draft. The Bulls traded him to Washington last summer along with Kevin Seraphin.
The Hawks expect Hinrich to shore up their weak perimeter defense, which has put stress on the team defense as players constantly scramble to help against dribble penetration. Like Bibby, Hinrich is a good spot-up shooter but is a better playmaker off the dribble and should help Atlanta’s fast break.
The Hawks also hope Hinrich (6-4, 190), who’s earned a reputation as a hard-nosed player, will provide toughness and leadership. He and Marvin Williams went at it during a game in Chicago last season, with both earning technical fouls.
“I’ve always been a super fan of Kirk,” Williams said. “Watching him at Kansas, he just competes, man. In college, coach [Roy] Williams would always make reference to Kirk Hinrich and say he has that toughness and that attitude.”
Armstrong (6-11, 235 pounds) is limited offensively and doesn’t rebound well for his size. But he’s an athletic leaper who could find a role helping the Hawks protect the rim, which also is a weakness (especially when Josh Smith is not in the game).
“I think in the paint he can block some shots and be able to add that inside presence and help us out down there a little bit,” Smith said.
The trade is another move for the Hawks that could help them now at the expense of future flexibility and development of young players.
Both Armstrong and Evans’ contracts expire after the season. Hinrich is scheduled to make $8 million next season compared to salaries of $6.2 million for Bibby and $1.1 million for Crawford . That would add roughly $700,000 to Atlanta’s estimated $65 million in committed salaries for 2011-12.
The Hawks also had to part with the draft pick and Crawford, whom they acquired in a draft night trade in 2010 after the Nets selected him No. 27 overall. The shooting guard had played sparingly this season, appearing in just 16 of 56 games.
Finally, the trade is the latest indication that the Hawks don’t intend to give Teague a larger role. Teague, the No. 19 overall pick in the 2009 draft, had played in 46 of 56 games for an average of 11.6 minutes entering the game tonight.
The Hawks acquired Hinrich after a wide search for a trading partner in an urgent attempt to acquire a point guard.
A league source with knowledge of Atlanta’s inquiries said the team tried to swing a trade for Harris before the Nets sent him to Utah in a deal that got them All-Star Deron Williams. The source said the Hawks also were rebuffed when they inquired about point guard Raymond Felton after New York traded him to the Nuggets as part of the Carmelo Anthony trade.
The Hawks also had interest in Cleveland point guard Ramon Sessions, according to the source.
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darrell starks
February 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm
STARTER HINRICH, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, COLLINS
BENCH JAMAL, DAMIEN, MARVIN, ZAZA, ARMSTRONG
RESERVE TEAGUE, POWELL
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
dell706
February 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm
They should try to get Nene bad…..maybe for Marvin and somebody…maybe Zaza
JTO
February 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm
Any chance we could still land a quality big for Jamal or Marvin?
Greg
February 23rd, 2011
8:41 pm
Hawks get rid of dead weight and add dead weight. What is the point? Hinrich isn’t going to make the rest of the team better. He’s not a difference maker. Period. At least we got rid of Bibby. Now get rid of Marvin. These guys are so stale it’s pathetic.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:41 pm
“Hinrich has been overrated for years, brings better D than Bibby, but he’s not the shooter Bibby is. ”
Hinrich and Bibby have the exact same 3 point percentage for their careers. 37.9%. Bibby shoots slightly better overall for his career, but Hinrich shoots better overall this year. They have almost identical A/T ratios for their careers as well.
Offensively, I doubt that this improves the Hawks all that much. Defensively, I think it is an enormous improvement. Short term, the Hawks should be better. Long term, they still need a solution for the point guard position.
Mike W
February 23rd, 2011
8:42 pm
Glad we made a move,of cousre everybody not going to like all trades every team do. With the way hawks been playing lately i was hoping a move was coming to get things started, I wouldnt be suprised how the team improves with kirk at PG,just like we apporved on beating the Magics this season by just adding collins at center against Magics.Sund is forincg LD HAND to play teague. Teague getting the start is just a sign
What?
February 23rd, 2011
8:42 pm
This is the stupidest trade in HAWKS history. Who’s the GM
hawks_4_life
February 23rd, 2011
8:42 pm
Hmmmm I wonder if the plan was to showcase bibby to trade him all along
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:43 pm
“I would have rather given up a better player or two for Deron Williams..I would have given the Jazz Bibby, either Horford or Smith, and any other starter or two bench players they wanted..plus picks.Do you think the Jazz would have done that?”
No.
Short of giving them both Smoove AND Horford, I don’t think Utah would have taken anything the Hawks had to offer over Harris, Favors, and two first rounders (at least one of which will likely be in the lottery).
Garbage Point Guards
February 23rd, 2011
8:43 pm
I would rather have Felton and Nene than these two rejects
jason
February 23rd, 2011
8:43 pm
finnally!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:43 pm
“Hmmmm I wonder if the plan was to showcase bibby to trade him all along”
Plan? You give the Hawks’ brass way too much credit.
darrell starks
February 23rd, 2011
8:43 pm
LD now there is no excuse to keep horford at powerforward,
ZAZA, COLLINS, ARMSTRONG, can all rotate at center.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dept. of Unintended Irony
February 23rd, 2011
8:43 pm
“The average blog poster on the AJC blogs must have very low IQs”
Gee, our bloggers must be really smart if they each have more than one IQ.
lewis
February 23rd, 2011
8:44 pm
Hinrich shoots 38% from 3 and defensive intensity 150% of what bibby brought
Truth
February 23rd, 2011
8:45 pm
Larry Drew never has any facial expressions. It kinda creeps me out.
hot err
February 23rd, 2011
8:45 pm
Reeks of desperation.
Joe Roo
February 23rd, 2011
8:45 pm
Trade 4 Camby
Mr. C
February 23rd, 2011
8:45 pm
The Hawks got rid off Jordan Crawford, Bibby,Evans and the first round pick so that they can pay Jamal Crawford. I wish you guys could think ahead! Where would the Hawks be without JAMAL CRAWFORD. There is no one in the draft this year!
Ken Strickland
February 23rd, 2011
8:45 pm
Anyone that says KHinrich isn’t much of an upgrade over MBibby obviously suffers from a very limited basketball insight. KHinrich plays DEF, and that alone makes him a big upgrade over Bibby. No more zones or defensive gimmicks to try and hide Bibby’s DEF deficiencies.
Hinrich’s solid DEF will allow everyone to play his assigned man, which will allow us to better defend the perimeter. His outside shooting, as well as his willingness and ability to penetrate, makes us much more versatile, both offensive and defensively. He still has enough speed and quickness to allow us to play uptempo and be a fastbreaking team. He also has more stamina and and energy.
There’s no way anyone can realistically say he isn’t much of an upgrade over Bibby and have a clue about what they’re saying.
Dawg A
February 23rd, 2011
8:46 pm
Mindless and thoughtless opinions and very low IQ’s and being on an island by themselves equals……………. WATCHING QUIETLY!!!
superiorblogman
February 23rd, 2011
8:46 pm
The team is not improved. The team just went back to how they were when Bibby first got to the Hawks because his number were 15 pt 5 ast, if Kirk plays great he will give you that but they are not improved. Bibby’s decline will be shown to not be the major problem just like Woody has been shown to not be the major problem. The major problem is the one referred to as Smoove.
K.W.
February 23rd, 2011
8:46 pm
Jeff Teague vs. Steve Nash (*help*)
hawks_4_life
February 23rd, 2011
8:47 pm
NAJEH
I GIVE THEM NO CREDIT, JUST TRYING TO FIND THE LOGIC…..SOMETHING TO BE SAID OF QUALITY OVER QUANTITY
Dept. of Unintended Irony
February 23rd, 2011
8:47 pm
“This is the stupidest trade in HAWKS history. Who’s the GM”
enough said
I thought Marvin would be gone by the time I woke up
February 23rd, 2011
8:48 pm
Purely a PR trade for the stans.But, I understand, it is a business and the Hawks are so poorly equipped to do any serious damage-too many contracts no one else will take. But, is there really no team that can take on Marvin’s contract for whatever junk they have to offer.
ATl
February 23rd, 2011
8:48 pm
If this is the best we can do, we dont need to ever trade again. This is crap. Im mad as you know what. We now have four centers. E. Thomas, Armstrong, Collins and Za Za. And if you have four centers you have no centers. Jordan Crawford and Wall are about to ball.
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Freshfromatl
February 23rd, 2011
8:49 pm
Lmao!!!! Who knew Bibby had so many fans?
UGASlobberknocker
February 23rd, 2011
8:49 pm
If nothing else maybe this will shake the Hawks out of their lackadaisical funk. but that starts with the coach and I just don’t see the leadership and fire out of Drew that I want to see.
But Ive been attending Hawks games since 1968..I’m used to disappointment. Maybe the Hawks should go back to playing in the dark like when they played at Tech back in the pre Omni days. they were good then.
Mr. Mojo
February 23rd, 2011
8:49 pm
I think the deal helps us now. Hinrich is a very good perimeter defender and also distibutes the ball well. I dont think its a big upgrade over Bibby but for what we need it helps us. As for the rest of the players I dont like giving Jordan and a 1st in that deal. I would of gave one or the other but not both. I just think with superstar players getting traded around the league you need to hold onto 1st rd picks and not trade them in a deal like this. You never know if something can come your way but the Hawks are incapable of making a good move anyway. I wouldnt be surprised if Bibby is bought out by the Wizards and signs with the Heat.
SWEET PETE
February 23rd, 2011
8:49 pm
RealSquawk
February 23rd, 2011
8:02 pm
How do people so inept have so much money. I think I should stop paying so much attention to sports and try to make some money cause I can’t do anything sitting here. And I want a championship in ATlanta
I CANT SAY IT ANY BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF IS MANAGEMENT THINKIN?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:50 pm
I still haven’t given up on the idea of getting T-Mac.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6k4y4kd
Prince would immediately push Marvin at SF and provide quality depth, and T-Mac would replace a huge chunk of Jamal’s scoring. Hawks trade one good bench player and get two good bench players.
hawks_4_life
February 23rd, 2011
8:50 pm
ITS TEAGUES TEAM NOW
Freshfromatl
February 23rd, 2011
8:50 pm
Are people seriously saying Hinrich isn’t an upgrade over Mike Bibby?!?
O'Brien
February 23rd, 2011
8:51 pm
I am glad we got Hinrich. I wish we could have kept Jordan though. Unless Rick believes he can resign Jamal under a new CBA.
Has anyone checked what our salary cap will be next year (after the deals are finalized).
Was No 24 traded?
February 23rd, 2011
8:51 pm
Is there any truth to my dream that FINALLY,
DHD
February 23rd, 2011
8:52 pm
To the people who are saying it reeks of desperation….HECK YEAH…we’re all desperate. Otherwise, we do NOTHING. The only thing I hate is losing the first pick, although, we usually screw that up every year. I’m glad we kept Teague and Jamal….so far.
I agree about making one more deal. Armstrong is not going to play. We need another big man. So, let’s make another deal.
UGASlobberknocker
February 23rd, 2011
8:52 pm
ITS TEAGUES TEAM NOW
That says it all
EmirS.
February 23rd, 2011
8:53 pm
“Lmao!!!! Who knew Bibby had so many fans?”
Yea where the hell is all of this coming from??
I think people are overexaggerating everything. This is’nt a bad trade at all. What have you lost? Honestly…what have you lost that’s so vital to future of the Hawks?
(Besides possible JC2?)
vava74
February 23rd, 2011
8:53 pm
Najeh,
“Prince would immediately push Marvin at SF and provide quality depth”
Are you serious? Prince WOULD START, not provide depth.
jp
February 23rd, 2011
8:53 pm
great move, love it. Even though Devin Harris would’ve been better
atlchris
February 23rd, 2011
8:53 pm
I love the trade. Now we can trade Marvin and Jamal to New Orleans and get Chris Paul. We should look a place that he can see him fitting in to contend for his championship goals. Where else would he rather be than Atlanta? We are closer to a championship with him here, than NO is with him there.
ATL
February 23rd, 2011
8:53 pm
LOL at anybody complaining about this trade. Hinrich>>>Bibby. All that matters. Mo sucks, Jo Craw was not getting any playing time, the 1st is just irrelevant.
Great move. For us to get a major upgrade over Bibby without giving up ANY assets is a great deal for us.
Peter
February 23rd, 2011
8:53 pm
Well Bibby gone is good, now Softy Marvin would be next !
welikebaseball2
February 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm
I don’t understand the debate about whether Hinrich is an upgrade over Bibby. I think most would agree that he is, at least, a defensive upgrade. However, I don’t think it’s ENOUGH of an upgrade at the point guard position to make up for our need for a center or to justify forfeiting essentially 2 1st round picks (Jordan Crawford & the ‘11 1st rounder).
Najeh Davenpoop
February 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm
Alternately, the Hawks could trade Jamal and filler to Sac-Town for Dalembert, who would provide quality depth inside, and Luther Head, who is basically a scrub but who could provide some scoring if necessary.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6h9mzj9
I’m trying to restrict myself to players whose contracts expire this season.
Juan
February 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm
Can I keep that huge Bibby poster that’s at Philips Arena right now?
tony
February 23rd, 2011
8:56 pm
The facilitator CAPTAIN KIRK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUD9p9awoog
jason
February 23rd, 2011
8:56 pm
they shouldn’t have given up jc2. But its good to get a shooter/assists guy like heinrich. I like we get a big in the trade.