Atlanta Hawks: Knicks 102, Hawks 90

New York is barely relevant. As a six seed, playing Miami or Chicago, they will probably win 1 game in the playoffs. The Magic are not as good as they were last year. So, I can see the Hawks losing 4-2 if they are the 5th seed and winning 4-2 if they are the 4th seed. Finally, Devin Harris is the guy the Hawks should be after not Sessions.

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“I couldn’t decide if my blog people would have laughed or cried if you had heard that conversation.”

At this point, I think most of us are starting to shrug. That should concern the DASG.

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“I thought the Hawks might have been able to keep up if they had stuck with the post-ups.”

Add this to your macro file, too. You could write this about every Hawks loss this year.

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Al “never really could get on track” because after he scored in the post on the first two possessions, the Hawks inexplicably (but predictably) abandoned him, stopped attacking Amare defensively, and instead started posting up Joe. Not that Joe was bad in the post, and that was a hell of a lot better than the jumpshot festival that ensued for the final three quarters, but considering how hyped Al was for this game and considering his early success, going away from him was asinine.

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LD’s offense is difference but the player rotations are looking very woodpecker-esque right about now. I dont give a damn about standings right now, I just dont want to get blown away in the playoffs again. START JEFF TEAGUE! Get the kid ready for the POST SEASON. JC2 as well.Kid can score on ANYBODY. He’s also not as streaky as jamal. Trade Mike, Mo, and Jamal for SOMETHING…..ANYTHING.

Or just get us a new coach who is not biased and has not been with the team before because LD is clearly playing favorites right now.

Just a horribly managed game by LD tonight!

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Trade Joe Johnson / while we can !

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LD may well have lost this team with his “idle” threat.
*[ "gonna bench________________" ]

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This team is good enough to beat “anyone” when they play *well & *hard !
Or as George O’Leary said:
” Play Hard, Play Smart, Play Together, and Play to Win ” !
—However—
If they do not adhere to the ..^..above..^..
they can get their ass kicked by anyone and will do so in [four] come play-offs!

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Players keep saying “we’re gonna get things figured out.” IMO they’ve already figured it out: they don’t match up well with most playoff contenders, let alone many other sub-.500 clubs. I get the feeling they’re just playing out the season, JJ raking in about a thousand dollars a point and JC1 bringing nothing to the table after his sparkling first season here. GO BRAVES……

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NorcalHawk /// Co-Sign

They been gonna get thangs figured out for how long now?

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Also, I don’t want to see Zaza ever again. Collins is better than Zaza at offense just by virtue of not screwing up, better at defense by far, maybe not as good a rebounder statistically but fundamentally sound enough to know how to box out, and probably would run restaurants better, too, if he tried. For every game here and there (like the one vs LAC) where Zaza miraculously doesn’t screw anything up, he has ten games like this one where he blows point blank layups and offers no resistance on D.

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Grandad

I was making a general comment based on my observation on the blog. To me its not that his threat was half empty its just that I feel he realize he dont have any better options. His comment was more out of frustration. Honestly as much as Im pulling for Teague there has to be some logical reason he doesnt play. Why would a rookie coach put his job in danger.

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“We had to quit going to Al.

This is Joe’s team – remember {?}

Then Josh gets pissed off at Joe and start launching.” – Grandad

“Al “never really could get on track” because after he scored in the post on the first two possessions, the Hawks inexplicably (but predictably) abandoned him, stopped attacking Amare defensively, and instead started posting up Joe. Not that Joe was bad in the post, and that was a hell of a lot better than the jumpshot festival that ensued for the final three quarters, but considering how hyped Al was for this game and considering his early success, going away from him was asinine.” – Najeh

These two posts are excellent ways of describing one of the team’s biggest problems on the offensive end. In summary, Al’s own teammates deny him the ball in the post (sometimes they deny him the ball all-together) and resort to jump shooting, Joe tries to carry the team and goes back to his isolation habits, and Josh becomes frustrated with his lack of touches and the team’s struggles and starts launching up shots in hopes to bring the team back. Really, this is nothing new though. This has been a problem for a very long time, it seems like it is clear to so many people, both casual and hardcore fans, alike.

Even my father, who has watched maybe 3 Hawks games in the last 10 years, pointed it out the last time he visited and watched the team play. What I want to know is whether L.D. sees this, and if he does, why he fails to address the issue. So often L.D. preaches about wanting to play inside-out and getting established inside first, yet so many times I see Al with great low post position calling for the ball and his teammates go away from him. Even when he (or Josh) is having success down there, the team quickly seems to abandon the idea for jump shots. The only guy that consistently gets the ball in the post is Joe, in fact, the only guy that consistently has plays run for him is Joe. Joe is a very good scorer, but there are other options out there, and the way our team is presently constructed, those options should not always be jump shots. We don’t have the personnel to be a great jump shooting team night in and night out. If our starting 5 was stephen curry, J.J. Reddick, Kyle Korver, Ryan Anderson, and Channing Frye, it might make sense to predicate the offense on jump shots since that would be the strength of the players, but with our team that is far from the case.
I get incredibly frustrated with the fact that we very rarely utilize our strengths as a team, and a lot of that is on L.D., since I have a tough time believing that the players just completely tune him out and do whatever they want out on the court. That is BS in my opinion, because if your players are able to do that to you without any consequences, then you shouldn’t be coaching at all. But, back to the topic of utilizing our strengths. We have arguably the most athletic frontcourt in the league, and some young players like teague who can really jet up the court, yet we play at almost the slowest pace in the league. We also have guys like Al who can play inside and outside, along with slashers like Josh and Marvin, yet we almost never attack the basket. The only strength that we continually play toward is Joe’s size. We post up Joe a lot, but other than that, we take jump shots the majority of the time, and the guy on the team who takes the second most jump shots behind Joe is Josh Smith, whose greatest strength is playing around the basket. I’m really starting to get fed up with L.D. saying one thing and then doing the opposite and pretending like the players just aren’t doing what he’s asking. If they aren’t doing what you’re asking then sit them down and put in someone who will do it.
I’m really glad that Al finally commented about his lack of touches. Maybe that will “shake the cage” as L.D. would say. It’s obvious that L.D. could care less what the media or any lowly bloggers have to say about the way the Hawks play, but maybe if one of his best players brings it to his attention he will make a concerted effort to change things. I hope Al continues to complain about his lack of touches in the post, and his lack of touches, in general. Al needs to start demanding the ball, and if his teammates don’t like it, that’s just too bad. We need to establish a presence inside, and we need to stop basing everything on jump shots. This team has weapons, they just fail to use them. The team plays to it’s weaknesses, rather than it’s strengths, and if the team they are facing on any given night is not good enough to beat the Hawks by themselves, you can rest assured that the Hawks will find a way to beat themselves, such as the way they did tonight with the poor excuse for an offense. The defense was bad tonight, no doubt about it, but even playing bad defense, we could have beaten the Knicks with just a smart offensive attack. Like others have said, giving the ball to Al in the post to get him established early and often would have done wonders for our offense tonight.

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I have a question for yall, blog people. Which one would u choose if you could ONLY CHOOSE 1. Get Jerry Sloan as a replacement for LD with NO TRADE FOR THE SEASON or keep LD and make a trade B4 deadline?

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Those of you saying that L.D. is simply being criticized because the angry fans want someone to blame for a loss and are starting to blame everyone have to realize that a lot of the criticisms of L.D. are well-warranted. While a lot of the issues associated with the Hawks and their lobsided roster are out of L.D.’s hands, there’s a lot of things that he does have control over which he has done a poor job with. For example, L.D. has done an absolutely horrible job of enforcing “equal accountability”, which was one of the premises of the “new regime” which he was looking to bring to the table when he was hired. L.D. basically plays the same players night-in and night-out regardless of how they are performing, and whether or not they make mistakes, he handles their minutes the same way.

For example, Bibby or Jamal could make every mistake in the world on the defensive end and be a combined 0-50 from the field, but L.D. would still play them their regular minutes and stick with them down the stretch. However, if Teague was in the game and played flawlessly on both ends for a short stint, I guarantee you that L.D. would still sub him out in favor of Bibby or Crawford.

Also, L.D. mentions in his post-game conferences what mistakes the team is making and how he wants them to get away from doing those things, such as taking too many jump shots as opposed to going inside. However, he does a poor job of enforcing that suggestion. Josh Smith, when he is having a bad night may take 10 consecutive jump shots, and miss them all, but L.D. would likely tell him to keep shooting, and if Josh was told to go inside and attack the rim and didn’t, L.D. would still stick with him and play him the same number of minutes, regardless.

Similarly, Mo Evans could play horrible defense all night against his assignment, yet when the game was on the line, L.D. would choose him to defend the other team’s best perimeter scorer in a lot of scenarios. At the same time, Damien could play suffocating defense against his matchups, but when the game was on the line, there’s no doubt that L.D. would sub him out in favor of Crawford or Bibby down the stretch (or even Mo if he needed a defensive stop).

L.D. has done a poor job with matchups and adjustments in my opinion. While L.D. is still better than Woodson when it comes to making adjustments, he’s even worse than Woodson when it comes to matching up. Woodson was at least smart enough to put his best interior defender (Al) up against the opposing team’s best post player, and put his best perimeter defenders (Joe and Marvin) against the opposing team’s best perimeter players. Too many times, L.D. puts Bibby on elite perimeter players who laugh while they abuse him, and L.D. puts Josh on guys who continually back him down and score on him in the post. I’m not taking a shot at Josh here, Josh is a great defender, but in the post, Al is much at defending players. Larry Drew has actually asked Bibby to defend guys like John Wall and Earl boykins, meanwhile asking Josh to defend guys like Scola and Amare who have had a lot of success against him, and very little against Al.

And, to top things off, Drew plays Bibby and Jamal together after complaining over and over about getting “exposed” off of the dribble. And, don’t give me that BS about him not having “better options”. When Bibby and Jamal are giving you nothing on the offensive end and getting completely torched on defense, any able-bodied man on the bench is a better option.

Larry Drew isn’t horrible, but he has a lot of things that he deserves to be criticized for. Like tonight, for example, there was no excuse not getting Horford the ball in the post more, or for having Bibby and Jamal get caught guarding Gallinari (honestly, Jamal shouldn’t have even been in the game tonight with the way he was playing). There was no excuse for why Damien was never put into the game to help guard the Knick wings, or for why didn’t get to see the court for even a second to help defend Felton. There was no excuse for why L.D. continues to let these same problems occur over and over again without doing anything to change things, i.e. lineup changes, benching non-productive players, sitting players who disobey, etc.

I was behind L.D. 100% when the season started and really looked forward to what he could accomplish, but if he continues to let these same flaws slide, and continues to play favorites, while making empty threats, he will just be regarded as another poor coaching choice by Hawks management.

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MsDee,

I’d make the coaching change over the trade. Since there aren’t a lot of available players out there, and we don’t have much to choose from, I don’t think we could get much in a trade unless we trade a forbidden “core piece”. Plus, I’m so tired of all of the bad habits and favoritism that has occurred under Woodson and L.D., I’d love to just get a fresh breath of air with a new coach that is totally new to the players and organization. Someone who will not play favorites and who will start fresh and develop the team the way he sees fit, rather than just base things off of what was done before.

I really think our players need a new coach, and Larry Drew was never really “new”. He had been around so long that I feel like the favorites were already way too comfortable with him and players just don’t seem to fear any disciplinary measures with him. The “comfort zone” needs to be broken.

A new trade with the same coach won’t do much unless the coach uses the new player in the right way. If we run the same system and play the same way, it won’t matter if we get Derrick Rose as our point guard, we’ll still struggle on the offensive end, although our defense would definitely pick up.
Unless the guy we get in the trade is a true floor general and L.D. lets him run the team the way the player thinks is best, then we will still have the same offensive struggles and still struggle to beat elite teams in the playoffs.

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@ MsDee. I would try my hand at Jerry Sloan. Show THU, FEB 17, 2011 the door. The players he has have already tuned him out. Maybe he would divy the minutes up better. Develop Teague and Jordan Crawford and turn Horf into Mailman part 2. Sloan just has more pedigree and more accomplished track record. THU, FEB 17, 2011 is scared to cut Bibby’s minutes and develop a viable young pg. He is scared to bench Smoove for not attacking the rack.

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Hawks Fan In New Orleans

I co-sign your 2:46 am post. You assessment is spot-on in my opinion.

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“Truhawkfan” I’m flat out tired of “fans” like you. Guys that try and ride some high horse because your dumb enough to accept what the franchise and players gives you. That doesn’t make you a true fan. It makes you a complete idiot and a sheep to boot.

This team is full of losers that humiliate themselves OFTEN. Not only do they lack fundamentals, but they’re complete idiots also. The lowest basketball IQ’s BY FAR league wide.

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@James & Hawks Fan In New Orleans,

I also choose making the coaching change and honestly yall, I believe Sund and the ASG would make a coaching change b4 trading anyone, ANYWAY. Remember, the funds for a coach are different from funds to signing a player. The ASG are cheap enough to may a move of that sort than to mess up or break up the ‘core’. Even though I much rather like seeing LD on the sidelines than Woody, I just think the players truly needs a fresh new coach leading the way for them. Jerry Sloan WOULD get them over that hump. Jeff Teague, WOULD IMMEDIATELY start right off the bat causing Bibby to come off the bench. Jamal would sub Joe instead of Teague while moving Joe to the 3 position to then sub Marvin. Mo Evans will then be the sub for Joe and Bibby for Teague at PG. Josh for Josh and Zaza for Horford. I believe that would and can work for this team IF Jerry Sloan was or NEW HEAD COACH!! COME ON SUND, MAKE IT HAPPEN!!

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Jerry Sloan WILL NEVER COACH IN THIS LEAGUE AGAIN Ms. Dee. Nothing the ASG can do to make that happen.

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AG!……..I beg to differ, Jerry Sloan “might” coach in the league again, it just want be the hawks. Sloan’s too smart to put himself in the situation of having SA Sund or DASG as his boss.

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LD lost the game for us last night. How in the hell did he not go to Marvin Williams more. The guy was killing it last night going to the basket while Smoove, Bibby, JJ, Horf, and Craw was just chucking jumpers. Josh Smith was horrible last night. He is not a jumpshooter. LD should have fed Marvin Williams last night because he was the only one not just taking jumpers. Last night has nothing to do with us needing a center. We shoot to many jumpers. I was sitting there thinking “damn Josh Smith how many bad shots are you going to take before you realize you aren’t hitting on anything tonight”. LD just lets him do what he wants to do.

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Great work MC. Bibby is killing the Hawks. Larry Drew is losing all credibility by playing him. Bibby’s defense is demoralizing the whole team. Bibby simply is not a pg. Teague with all his faughts would out produce him every day. I would rather see Wilkens play the point.

The Hawks are spiraling down fast with Bibby as the PG.

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We need more than just a point guard. We really need a Center. I know some of guys love Josh, but he has to go. He cannot be coached. It rubs off on the team. We need to move Al to power forward. I was talking to my dad who made a good point about Larry Drew. It seems that he is saying all the right things about in-game coaching, but they are not listening. EITHER MANAGEMENT NEEDS TO SAY SOMETHING TO THE PLAYERS ABOUT RESPECTING LARRY’S WISHES OR FIND A COACH THAT WILL STAND UP TO THESE JUMP SHOOTERS.

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This is Earth, calling Jamal and JJ. You copy?

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MsDee , Grandad, and vava74, I hear ya on LD…dude is really starting to baffle me with this love triangle of JJ, Bibby, and Crawford…and these mind boggling rotations…we have seen this movie before…it ended bad the last time…and it’s going to end bad again…Unfortunately.

I had such high hopes for LD…I think Sloan coaching days is probably behind him at this point in his career…LD is picking up right where Woody left off with this entitlement BS…hold your starter accountable…the same way you do your reserves.

Yeah, Bibby hit some big 3s…problem is…he’s is giving up 4s…I want speak of Jamal and JJ…my point is this love triangle is specifically design for offense…so why does LD waste everybody time even mentioning word defense…the guys know it’s just lip service.

Only one guy in that group can play any defense and he has been MIA of late…However, this is your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option on the team…hmmm…you think that might have something to do with the dysfunctional inconsistent performance of the your team…again hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

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Marvin, as goofy and clumsy as he is, has actually been playing some good TEAM ball lately. Horford always does. Joe, Josh, and Jamal need to learn from em. If we play TOGETHER,we’re a pretty good basketball team. And btw, Zaza = the BIG stiff. Pays to be tall I guess.

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LD startin to piss me off too. How in the hell is Zaza still gettin min? I’d play Pape Sy before I’d play that bum. And playing Jamal at point is killin his game. Can LD not see that? And give Teague some burn with the good players we have. Playing with Mo, and Zaza would make Magic Johnson look like a bust.

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Last night’s game showed us what we already know

1) This is a severely flawed team with no center, no point guard, and a bunch of tweener SGs and PFs
2) LD is a horrific defensive coach WHO MAKES NO ADJUSTMENTS AND PUTS IN FLAWED DEFENSIVE LINEUPS THEN BLAMES OUR DEFENSE.

How do you put in Bibby Jamal Mo Smoove and ZaZa and expect to stop a team? Smoove doesn’t even block many shots anymore

THis team HAS NO POINT GUARD. Bibby is old as hell and is playing WAY too many minutes. Teague gets no minutes at all, but at least hit a 3. Just start Teague already or make this Ramon Sessions trade.

Trade Smoove for any serviceable center (hopefully) and trade garbage for any serviceable PG (Sessions, who had 30+ last night with 8 assists)

FIRE LD
FIRE SUND . are you GOING TO MAKE ANY MORE ROSTER MOVES BESIDES SIGNING GARBAGE BENCH PLAYERS WHO SHOULDN’T BE IN THIS LEAGUE?

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ZaZa’s first half performance last night was some of the worst basketball I’ve ever seen. The guy airballed a 1 foot shot at the hoop.

Our bench is just plain awful. We should’ve started Collins so Marvin could’ve come off the bench

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“GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE” or “FIRE LARRY DREW”

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Come on Sund.

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Gearon= must go
Sund= must go
LD= must go
Marsh mellow(Mike Bibby) must go
anyone else????…………………………….4.5 decades and no finals visit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Will it be another 50 years??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
David Stern= There will be no Championships in Atlanta….Never……….I get it now Mr. Stern, The Fix is in……………..

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LD is a SOFT head coach. He is TOO SCARED to call out players. He threatens making roster changes but never will, besides starting washed up Jason Collins every few games.

Teague will never start because he can’t even outwork MIKE BIBBY (the WORST starting PG in the NBA) in practice

LOL

This team is a mess

Then you have Josh Smith who thinks he has Paul Pierce’s shooting ability

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=62xzonf

Now here is a trade that makes sense for all parties involved. Of course Denver would need a pick but love this trade.

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Developing Jamal at the PG….

This will be the proof that JC2 is LD’s PG of the future and that he has no intention of developing Teague.
LD is trying to turn Jamal into a PG and he is struggling. SG guard is low level fractions, PG is is calculus. If a vet SG is having great trouble learning how to be a PG in this league, what kind of struggles would a 2nd year players have.

I don’t know what you should expect from Teague when Jamal(a scorer) can’t score while at the PG position.

I will tell you what I would expect from Teague… Better dribble PEN defense, more attacking the basket and whole lot more fastbreaks pts.

The main problem between LD and Teague…

LD doesn’t value his skills and how they could effect the game. He only values players with very good jumpshots.

I do agree that if Jamal can learn the PG position and become a solid floor leader and still score, it will help the Hawks greatly in the playoffs.

What LD has done right….MARVIN

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Exactly, Rufus.

I’m so tired of these coaches and owners acting like Bibby is still a relevant player. ALL he is good for is contested jumpshots. I don’t care if his shots have fallen the last 2 games. MOST of his shots are contested and will suffer vs. better teams like the Bulls or Celtics

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Man, sometimes I really just want to smack the living sh*t out of LD SMH. That dude is looking more and more like Woodrow, just standing on the sidelines with his arms folded.

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LD needs to start the Big Lineup!!! Start Collins and play Teague at pg with the 2nd unit. With Collins in it helps clog up the middle so penetrating guards aren’t as effective. Plus Josh and Al keep can more easily help Bibby without gettting burned as much on pick and rolls.

It also frees up Al offensively and defensively at the 4 and causes mismatch problems for the opposing team for a change. This is the best lineup for the Hawks and has proven in my opinion to be successful. Why?

Because now you have Marvin coming in off the bench to help JC1 with the scoring load. But both would be more effective with Teague runnin the point for the 2nd unit. You might as well play Teague now because the rotation that is being used has not worked. The 2nd unit is not giving the Hawks nothin and JJ & Bibby are playing too many minutes.

Teague can breakdown the defense and would serve as a change of pace. He can’t show his ability if he does not play enough. We still don’t know what he can do? The 2nd unit has to be Teague, JC1, Damien or Mo, Marvin and Zaza.

The starters need more help and less minutes. That will keep them fresh and eliminate their tendency to go jumper crazy. There are not many great Centers in the league so Collins can work. Look at who NY played with last night at C. Marvin is playing better but has not justified himself as a starter and is better suited coming off the bench.

In order for the Hawks to be competitive in the 2nd half LD will have to make adjustments and those aforementioned I believe are what needs to be done. If the 2nd unit learns how to run the motion offense as effectively as the 1st unit does it would make for more intense practices which will result in better gametime results by the 2nd unit.

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Sund said we will not make a trade this season and will make a trade in the offseason if we don’t improve.

Wait for an average 2nd half of the season. The team is hardly more talented than the 7 or 8 seeds in the East- we just play our starters more minutes and inflate our record. We will probably suffer in April

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Yeah, I expected Bibby’s regression, but didn’t realize our bench consisted of D-leaguers

Anyone else think JJ’s lost his legs?

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How can JJ have lost his legs? The guy sat for 2 weeks earlier this year. If he has lost his legs, it’s his fault for working out all offseason and not getting rest.

This team is a mess. WIthout a trade this season will be over very soon

If ASG sells Thrashers, would they have more money to spend on this team since they can focus solely on it?

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How can you get rid of JJ this early? You have to wait a few years. You have to also realize his annual pay increases EVERY year of this ridiculous contract.

At this point I’d take John Salmons for his contract over Joe’s. I’d probably take Salmons for $14M over Joe for 16M

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Lol @ People interested in spring training

Baseball sucks

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JeJe,

it’s another hidden injury that could have stood in the way of JJ and $125 mill.

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I think JJ may be hurt. But I don’t think Bibby is the biggest problem, its the rotation or lack therof. You can hid Bibby with the right personnel but if the 2nd unit loses leads or brings no energy when they come in its demoralizing over the course of a season for the starters. Look at the Lakers right now, they are experiencing the same thing. Poor bench play makes the starters press and gets them out of their game. Its a confidence and trust factor to me.

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up next: Lakers than Phoenix……Double massacre…………………..

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@lewis

Think about it first. To get Sessions, you will more then likely have to give up Jamal and Bibby. Or Jamal and someone else. The Cav’s are in a rebuilding process. They want pieces.

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Jamal “IS” your bench. Once you get rid of Jamal, you have no bench.

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Well if they dont make any moves this season, the need to bring a PG in and pick up a Center somehow this off-season.

They also need a sharp-shooter off the bench. Jamal is a creator for his points, but the Hawks need a pure shooter.

Cut ties with one of the “Big 3″ and get DEPTH…thats whats killing this team. JJ is stuck here, gotta swallow that pill. Horford is the franchise player so that leaves JS. I love Josh’s defense, but offensively…really, what can he do besides shoot 3 of 11???

Its obvious LD has no control over him and he is not going to listen to anybody. They guy has been in the league 8 years and STILL WONT LISTEN TO ANYBODY!

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Sessions would be a good pickup, but who’s to say he will play max minutes. He is young and would have to learn a new system as well as mesh with the team. Everyone keeps talkin trade but that seems unrealistc to me with how ASG works.

People keep crucifying Bibby, Nash is a liability on defense but it doesn’t seem to hurt Phoenix. Ya’ll need to quit making Bibby the scapegoat!!! He is giving effort and producing. Without him last night the Hawks are blownout.

JJ has to be held accountable for his play the last 4 games and if there is no flow to the offense Josh has to shoot. He plays a lot with the enemic 2nd unit and with JC1 trying to run the point who else is there to score.

When the 1st unit runs their offense, plays defense and runs they are as effective as any team in the NBA. However when they don’t move the ball, get tired and have no help off the bench they are subpar at best.

You saw the game the other night: starters come out and play well, leave with the lead. Subs come in play lousy, lose lead and Hawks are down by 15. Starters come back in and instantly erase the deficit and build the lead back up. I don’t know what team some of you are watching but the starters are not the problem. Its the bench and poor rotations by LD!!!!!!!!!

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Marvin said the bench role will take some adjusting. What does that mean? We change the starting lineup every game.

YOU CAN’T SWITCH JOSH FROM THE 4 TO THE 3 TO THE 4 TO THE 3 EVERY NIGHT

WE NEED DEFINED ROLES

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ASG is considering selling the Thrashers or finding
another investor. They indicated they are losing 20 million
per year.

If they keep the Hawks core together and don’t make
a significant trade, they will make a quick exit in the
playoffs this year. The fans will stay away next year
and they will be at the very bottom in NBA atendance.
Coupled with JJ’s contract, they will lose millions next
year. It is not looking good over the horizon for the Hawks.

ASG is terrible. There are too many owners. They can’t
go to the bath room without taking a vote. No wonder
they can’t agree on making a trade of any consequence.

I was flabbergasted when I saw a commercial last night
at half time promoting the Hawks as an elite team!.

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Got to get rid of Bibby!!!

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Oh by the way Collins started against Detroit. Some one said it right earlier, the Hawks need to play inside out. But I truly feel that both Al and Josh could help stop penetration better with another Big down low to box out, absorb the middle and rebound.

LD is too reliant on his starters and in that way he is too much like Woodson. With a lineup of Bibby, JC1, Mo, Josh and Zaza you are not going to keep a lead and your certainly not going to get one.

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I agree that Bibby is a defensive liability but its the lack of size with Marvin in the starting lineup that makes it worse because when the pg breaks Bibby down off the dribble, Al and Josh collapse and help which opens up a layup or open jumper.

With Collins in, both Josh and Al don’t both seem to have to help as much or one would usually see fir to help rarther than both. This then allows for them to rotate better on D.

Every team has weaknesses and with all the talk Bibby will be the pg the rest of the season. So what can the Hawks do to minimize his deficiencies on Defense and maximize their strentghs on Offense.

Not just looking at Bibby’s points but his leadership. When Bibby is not in the game the offense never has much cohesiveness!!!!!!!! And since the Hawks don’t penetrate as much as they should or could they need a pg that can run the offense. Neither JC1 or Teague have proven that they can do that as effectively as Bibby.

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” Which one would u choose if you could ONLY CHOOSE 1. Get Jerry Sloan as a replacement for LD with NO TRADE FOR THE SEASON or keep LD and make a trade B4 deadline?”

Get Jerry Sloan, without question. I would like to know once and for all what this team’s ceiling is with a coach that can get the most out of the roster, and which players are good and which players are not. Unless the trade in question is something really lopsided in the Hawks’ favor, get the coach without question.

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I don’t think its Drew so much i think the players are just not playing hard week after week there just not consistent enough like Boston or the Spurs .

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There’s no way Sloan would come to this joke city, be underpaid, and deal with people like Josh Smith.

He will never coach again unless he gets a lucrative offer from a team like the Lakers

FIRE SUND

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Bibby is garbage. Whoever that Season Ticket Holder was who destroyed Bibby in front of Gearon Jr (per Section 303’s comments), God Bless You

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Bring Terry Stotts back

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For some reason the trade machine is crapping out on me, but I think the following trade would work and have a reasonable chance of being accepted by each team:

Hawks get Ramon Sessions, T-Mac (expiring), Ben Wallace, Tayshaun Prince (expiring)
Pistons get Jamal Crawford (expiring), Josh Powell (expiring), Etan Thomas (expiring), Mo Evans (expiring), and if necessary a pick from the Hawks (although it shouldn’t be necessary)
Cavs get Jeff Teague (rookie scale deal) from the Hawks and Chris Wilcox (expiring) from the Pistons

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THE 2 CRAWFORDS FOR JORDAN AND PIPPEN

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The Knicks are an awful defensive team yet played good defense last night.

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Bibby is the worst starting point guard in the league

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I’m not saying that Gearon doesn’t spend $$ and I dont’ think more $$ is the answer here…its the way he has spent $$ in the offseason.

Going forward, we need to solidify weakenesses in our lineup. We have more holes than we want to admit. But Joe needs help big time. Since he is who we are letting lead us, he needs a major influx of a player who contributes on both ends. Draft picks, one out of SMoove or Al, I don’t care, just get Joe some help in the backcourt.

Lewis, dead on correct!
IF you can get an offer for Joe, which I highly doubt…..consider him on the market also.

Larry’s taste in a PG sure looks like Felton doesn’t it? He just looks overweight and I don’t like him as a longterm answer. But Larry probably drools over him…..not a slashing guard but a guard who plays tougher and within offensive constraints.

I think we saw the real Hawks team last night against decent competition. The Detroit game just shows you what happens when the jumpers actually go in more frequently than the norm.

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@John Bluecorn , easily one of the best posts Ive seen on here………Its clear that LD talks a good game but doesn’t follow through with it…..I’ve yet to see any accountability for this bunch….LD talks about what the gameplan was but I see different on the court. If guys are shooting too many jumpers and not playing defense then why do you continue to keep them on the court. ..LD looks like Woodson… The vets get a long leash while the young guys get pulled after any mistake….Sticking with guys who are clearly off their game instead of trying something else……Like I keep saying, Bibby might make some 3’s but his defense is so bad that his offense does not make up for it… LD has to stop playing Jamal at the point. Its clear he is struggling at the position but LD keeps throwing him out there. Other than Jamal nobody on the bench really plays consistent minutes…New coach same problems.

I see that some folks want to move Joe. I would be calling up Houston or Dallas to see if they would be interested in Joe. At this point it couldn’t hurt.

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If Jamal is our bench, then i guess we only have a bench 1 in 4 games.

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Whoever mentioned Heinrich- I am with you. Trade Jamal for Heinrich straight up. They get a good player, and are obviously rebuilding, so they get 10m in expiring contracts.

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Yea, the Jeff Teague thing is just really difficult to understand. Why does the guy get no minutes? Bibby is tired and can’t defend anybody. I’m just hoping the Hawks wake up and start playing hard in the playoffs, otherwise we’ve got to make some moves and trade some guys, this team is complacent and doesn’t play hard enough. I’d like to see us keep Al, Josh and Jordan Crawford, everyone else can be moved, especially Marvin that bum has GOT to go he’s WAY overdue to be traded/released

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“I’m just hoping the Hawks wake up and start playing hard in the playoffs, otherwise we’ve got to make some moves and trade some guys, this team is complacent and doesn’t play hard enough.”

We’ve been hoping and praying for 6 years on this blog and all we’ve got is disappointment.

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1. Bibby is the worst starting PG in the league. Actually he is MUCH worst than most 2nd string PG’s.

2. Bibby is the worst defensive PG in the league.

3. Our offseason plans are to let JC1 go and not replace him. The salary cap will be lower. We will get a couple of minimum guys, that’s all.

4. Larry Drew must be the common thread to lack of development of guards.

5. We have the poorest constructed team in the NBA.

6. We really don’t have hope for any better.

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I am afraid we will be having these same conversations
this time next year!

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Worldwide Clyde for Poster of the…

DECADE

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http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20110216&game=ATLNYK

Our lead (small) in the first quarter went down the drain when Bibby left the floor and entered…

The UNDERTAKER (Jamal).

With Bibby on the floor JJ was assigned to Felton and probably that changed when Jamal got in (nire, please confirm).

Then, Jamal, who was having a monster game, AGAIN played a 17 minute straight shift to close the game.

Is anyone looking at stats in the Hawks organization?

Apart from a few (very very few) scattered games Jamal has been EXTREMELY ineffective in virtually all late 3rd + 4th quarter shifts that LD stubbornly gets him to play.

This has happened even on games in which he scores 16-24 points since he gets 80-90% of his points in the early part of the game.

Last night it was the double wammy: Jamal’s first shift (last 5 minutes 10 second of the 1st quarter and first 3 min 22 second of the second) produced a brilliant ± of -17!!!!!

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Jamal -17….Wow

That is because he is not a PG and PG is Hard.

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it was not a bad pick could be right. Marvin might be the best sf on the team WHEN HE’S ON. Josh is a pf. PERIOD! He’s hanging out at the 3pt line more often than Bibby now. Gotta keep him in the post. And btw, Earth calling JJ and Jamal. You copy?

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Hawks win enough just to keep us interested. Guess that’s all the ASG wants to do.

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Did anyone notice what we started the 4th quarter lineup with down 13?
The same stale non-defensive JC1/Bibby to go with Joe/Smoove/Marvin…the smallest lineup we could put out there.
Why no post defender? How many times are you going to let someone drive down your throath without knocking them down…..
Enforcer needed for the Hawks because ours are on the bench.

What does that tell you about Larry’s refusal to make changes?

I see nothing he does that shows he’s a better game coach than Woody. Bibby got 35 frickin’ minutes as we continued to play from behind.

And don’t suggest for Sund to get fired; the puppetmaster Gearon is pulling all the strings here. Sund is being told what to do because there is no way my GM sits on his hands and watches this type of inconsistency in his 3rd season and game #55.

And folks, unknown to all NBA players who get interviewed saying we are 1/2 way through the season here at the AS break, we are 2/3 through the season and we still don’t feel any need to make a move of any significance as far as I can tell.

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thanks for pointing out that article najeh,

Lol @ Al Horford #22 and Josh Smith #27 on Bill Simmons most valuable trade pieces.

Their contracts are spot on, not too big but well worth what they provide to the team.

Damn JJ’s contract. Shoulda just rebuilt around Josh/Al

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Portland is after Devin Harris not Ramon Sessions. Portland selected Brandon Roy, Aldridge, and Oden, all the correct picks just happened that injuries have derailed Oden and Roy, but they make the correct picks or get the correct players. Add Wesley Matthews and Camby in free agency. Add letting players like Outlaw go. If only the Hawks were not so worried about money they could just get the correct players. The Nets are said to want a big man out of a deal for Harris. I still think Jamal, Zaza, and a 2012 1st round pick for Harris and Humphries might get it done. I would also be willing to through Jordan or Teague into the deal if push came to shove.

Hawks get Devin Harris and Kris Humphries

Nets get Zaza, Jamal and a 2012 1st round or Zaza, Jamal and Teague or Jordan

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Let me throw a crazy trade out there should Melo go to Jersey….

Joe to the Knicks
Curry and Wilson Chandler to us…

Does that trade scenario pass the ‘trade meister’ machine?

That frees up mega cap room for the limited Hawks and the Knicks might be willing to listen…

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Rethinking that Sessions stuff – Sessions would help the Hawks in driving to the hole alot. I’m not sure he would help defensively.

Jeff Teague must either be on drugs, or LD has a major flaw in his coaching philosophy. And in this League right now, you can’t hide a major flaw, teams will exploit you ruthlessly.

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And on the Phoenix blogs, they want Marvin and 2 First Picks for Nash…

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There are multiple ways to cover Bibby;
however, a Coach cannot cover for:
Bibby & Joe + Jamal + *Marv (oh yeah, Marv)
*[Marv is the slowest in the league at closing out]
**Marv never reacts to anything – he must think about it 1st.
***That’s why he catches a rebound at his crotch. (he’s a late jumper)
****You see it’s not “only” Bibby.

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Grandad – Good post

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SteveW, can’t say I really disagree with any of that.

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Much less realistic but would be amazing: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4ktb26g with two picks going to Phoenix

I’m surprised Phoenix fans think Nash’s trade value is that low, to be honest with you.

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Najeh,

If Phoenix was to trade Nash to the Hawks, I think they would want Marvin and Jamal for Nash and somebody else.

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And on the Phoenix blogs, they want Marvin and 2 First Picks for Nash

Kinda ironic isn’t it, that Phoenix wants 2 more #1 draft picks for one of the backcourt starters….last time Diaw went instead of predicting Marvin.

Nash doesn’t improve the defense; I wouldn’t do that trade. Nash isn’t worth what Joe Johnson was at a much younger age.

Phoenix should be content to get 1 #1 and a filler for Nash at this stage. They aren’t going to be in the playoffs as currently constructed.

And SteveW, we will continue to try to look like the Utah Jazz, only more limited than they have been since their big problem all these years has been the Lakers. We have had a problem with numerous teams and the list will be growing this playoff season.

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superior, I can safely say that Sund is the only GM who doesn’t use a computer these days. Billy King has probably seen the ESPN trade doctor and wouldn’t be obliged to give us 2 favorable salaries so we can get Harris and an expiring Humphries.
I wouldn’t think an extra #1 would do it either even if they could add it to entice Denver with it.

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I was looking at an interesting article in the Espn the Magazine, it showed area’s of the floor that team average %. It also gave the person with the highest percentage and the player with the lowest percentage. Two Hawks made the list! The Boss % at the top of the key is the best of all NBA players at over 65%. JJ made the list twice. First, from the corner 3pt (less than 24%), and the 3pt shot right center (21%). If ESPN the Mag has this info – our coaching staff should as well.

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KevinM,

If we trade JC1, then automatically Marvin goes to 6th man just to have scoring off the bench. We could start Damien at SF (which I’d be ok with).

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Not sure, this is Rick Sund we’re talking about here. He admits to reading hoopshype and not having a computer on his desk.

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Lol his “style” –doing nothing in an attempt to maintain the status quo for teams unwilling to go into the Ltax (for 3 decades)

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Well Joe Johnson with another stellar “All-Start ” Type performance…..11 points…..gosh he fads so quietly in the bigger games.

Good thing he was paid all that money, so the team can’t improve. We have mediocre coming for years.

No center, no point, and no small forward…….wow 2 out of 5 is good ?

The Joke is the Spirit….they need to be run out of town with the Hockey team they messed up !

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Jeff Teague has the potential to be a solid pg, but he needs playing time to develop. Playing time that he will never get in Atlanta. He needs to play for a bad team where he can get plenty of minutes. Where the Hawks are now, they can’t give Teague the minutes and wait on him to develop his game. We would loose to many games…… it would be beneficial for our future but not the pressent. the Hawks are not in rebuild mode. So we need to trade Teague somewhere where he can play. and in turn we need someone that is ready now. is it Sessions? I don’t know but he just dropped 30 and 8 on the lakers last night….. teague would never be able to do that right now. Sessions also average 8 ppg and 7.5 ast as a rookie with 26 minutes of play, Teague is not even ready to do that.

If we get Sessions as our starting point Bibby can come off the bench, we then can trade Teague for some front court help maybe revised that Jason Thompson trade. we would be a better team with more debth and a better starting five.

Sessions/Bibby
JJ/JC1
Smoove/Marvin/Wilkens
Horford/Powell
Thompson/ZaZa/Twin

Hell instead of only being one deep on the bench we are now three deep.

Looks like we can get sessions for a 2nd round pick and JC2. I say pull the trigger.

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a 2nd round pick? give me a break

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KevinM

February 17th, 2011
4:58 pm

superior, I can safely say that Sund is the only GM who doesn’t use a computer these days. Billy King has probably seen the ESPN trade doctor and wouldn’t be obliged to give us 2 favorable salaries so we can get Harris and an expiring Humphries.
I wouldn’t think an extra #1 would do it either even if they could add it to entice Denver with it.

See that’s my major problem with you people on this board, you think only one way. The Nets would save money in the long run. They would save between $6 and $7 million over the life of the trade. They would pick up a 1st round pick or a player that was taken in the 1st round also.

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Hawks Players Don’t Want Trades?

Cavaliers guard Ramon Sessions could find his way to the Atlanta Hawks, according to a report by Ken Berger of CBSsports.com. The biggest revelation of the report isn’t Atlanta’s need for backcourt depth (reserve point guard Jeff Teague only averages 11.6 MPG). Rather, Berger writes that the Hawks are willing to spend up to, or perhaps even exceed the luxury tax threshold.

It’s one thing if GM Rick Sund wants to dig deep to get over the playoff hump against Boston, Orlando and Miami; but it’s worth noting that the team is currently 34-21 and the players aren’t pushing anyone to increase spending.

“We’re here and this is the team,” forward Josh Smith told HOOPSWORLD. “I think everybody has to stay focused and not really worry about the outside distractions—whether you’re going to get traded. We just got to go out and play with a clear mind and be ready. That’s when teams are at their best: when we’re just worrying about having fun instead of worrying about the negativity.”

Obviously the core group of Smith, Al Horford, Joe Johnson, Mike Bibby, Marvin Williams haven’t propelled the team past the conference semifinals. Even last season’s addition of Jamal Crawford wasn’t enough to get to the conference finals—a level the franchise has yet to reach in Atlanta.

But while some see a stagnant team, the Hawks see themselves as a close-knit, battle-tested group.

“I think you can look at it both ways,” Crawford told HOOPSWORLD. “Hopefully we can go out there and prove our fans right—that we did the right thing sticking together. The one thing I know for sure is that we have continuity. We’ve stayed together so guys know each other and there’s no surprises. Hopefully that plays to our advantage.”

So rather than a group of new faces, first-year coach Larry Drew is teaching the same old Hawks some new tricks. Specifically, he made a focused effort to wean Atlanta away from isolation plays and push the team towards a motion offense.

“I just think it’s benefitted us as a whole, throughout the whole season,” Smith said. “We’ve been doing a good job of sharing the basketball. You really can’t zero in on one or two players if you play that way.”

By abstaining from isolation plays, the team has become less reliant on Johnson and Crawford. The pair have seen a dip in their field goal attempts and scoring averages, but Horford, Smith and Williams are all shooting and scoring more than last year.

“I think it’s new opportunities for guys who are confident, and now they feel like they have the freedom to shoot,” Crawford said. “I think guys play harder when they have that.”

The problem is, the Hawks old system may have worked better. Last season under Mike Woodson Atlanta ranked third in offensive efficiency (points scored per 100 possessions). This year, under Drew, the team has slipped to 15th.

The Atlanta Hawks players may feel comfortable with each other, but the team may have to make a move or suffer another early postseason exit.

For more on the subject, check out HOOPSWORLD’s Lang Greene and his take on the Hawks’ trade situation.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18809#ixzz1EGOjGuvu

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Larry Drew is fine. I haven’t seen anything “yet” that would make me think he is the problem. Although other coaches in the league may be better and produce better results with same team I still look at the players as being the problem with this team. Give Larry Drew a TRUE leader on the court like Kobe Bryant and this team would be fine! In my humble opinion its time to break this core up. These guys can’t play together because there is no leader on this team (Al Horford excluded) that can demand the respect of the other players.

I would trade Josh Smith not because he a terrible cry baby who takes too many outside shots but because he would have the most potential to get something in return. Whether that be talent in return in the form of a PG or C and or possible draft pick for next year? Marvin and Joe Johson aren’t going anywhere because they are paid too much for their talent level. No offense Joe you are a great player but just not worth your salary.

I think the Hawks will look around during allstar break and hope they will take bold steps to improve this team. Its not about wining regular season games its about being able to compete in the playoffs. The Hawks are a good team and I do enjoy watching them play but they are not a Championship team. Not yet anyway.

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Hawks Need To Trade Marvin Williams

By: Lang Greene Last Updated: 2/17/11 12:04 PM ET | 990 times read
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Despite the nonchalant nature in which the media and fans treat the Hawks, the fact of the matter is Atlanta remains one of the top ten teams in the league today.

This fact isn’t up for debate.

The franchise has a legitimate shot at recording their sixth consecutive campaign with an improved regular season record and barring an unforeseen collapse after the All-Star break will also clinch their fourth straight trip to the postseason.

So why exactly has the team failed to receive mainstream recognition despite possessing two All-Stars, a surefire All-Defensive team selection and the reigning Sixth Man of the Year?

Simple.

While the Hawks win a high percentage of their contests they don’t overwhelm anyone. The team rarely enjoys enough of a cushion to rest their starters in the fourth quarter during victories.

Winning big is a trademark of elite teams who routinely are able to run roughshod over lesser opposition and make it look extremely easy in the process.

The current iteration of the Hawks lacks a true killer instinct. They’re a team free flowing with excellent chemistry and great guys on and off the court. Unfortunately, the squad lacks the nastiness of a squad such as the Boston Celtics and as a result of the nonchalant following the team isn’t driven by the constant desire to prove skeptics wrong like the Miami HEAT.

Confidence isn’t the problem. Hawks shooting guard Jamal Crawford recently told HOOPSWORLD the team has their eyes firmly set on the Eastern Conference Finals – at the very least.

Money or the desire of ownership to stay out of the luxury tax isn’t a problem either. While Atlanta’s front office doesn’t ever intend on crossing into dollar-for-dollar penalty territory, the club has invested heavily into retaining key members of the squad’s core group (see Joe Johnson and Al Horford).

There are multiple problems plaguing the Hawks.

For starters, Al Horford continues to play out of position at center and although he just earned his second consecutive All-Star nod at the position, he’s undersized and the pounding down low continues to wear down his frame.

Secondly, the team has been searching for a point guard of the future for years. Veteran point guard Mike Bibby has been solid thus far this season, but struggling as of late. Second year guard Jeff Teague was supposed to contend for a starting role but has been planted on the bench due to inconsistent and unconfident play.

The point guard issue has been a sour point in Atlanta since the team selected small forward Marvin Williams with the No. 2 overall pick of the 2005 draft over Chris Paul and Deron Williams. Of course players don’t select themselves so the criticism has been unwarranted. Williams is a solid player, but will never pan out to be a franchise player like Paul and Williams

It’s clear to all parties who watch the Hawks over an extended period of time that the franchise needs one more piece to successfully jump into the top five discussion and become legitimate championship contenders.

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And this is why the club needs to take a hard look at packaging Williams (with picks and younger players) for the missing roster piece.

Now this is in no way a knock against Williams’ ability. The former University of North Carolina standout is an underrated glue guy on the team. On a roster with Joe Johnson, Horford, Josh Smith and Jamal Crawford who all need their fair share of field goal attempts, Williams continues to be the player who does the dirty work, rarely has his number called in the offense and yet doesn’t complain.

Plus there isn’t a player in the Hawks’ locker room who doesn’t like Williams off the court or his effort on the hardwood. Every championship caliber team has a player like Williams who handles the grunt work and connects the dots through their versatility.

But the problem for Atlanta is they’re one impact player away from making serious noise, however trying to acquire the missing puzzle piece often leads down the road of having to break up their big three of Johnson, Horford and Smith.

The Hawks absolutely cannot afford to package one of their top three players. It would be a case of addition by subtraction – or spinning the tires.

What the Hawks need to do is work the phones before next week’s annual trade deadline to see if there are any takers for the roughly three-years and $24 million still owed to Williams.

Throughout his tenure in the league Williams has demonstrated a strong ability to defend the wing and has averaged double-digit scoring (career-high 14.8 in 2008) in every season except his rookie year. Surely, as Williams’ contract becomes smaller his stock will rise around the league.

The Hawks’ best chance for sustained success down the road is acquiring a true center (not necessarily elite) allowing Horford to inherit the starting power forward position. Smith was originally drafted by Atlanta to hold down the small forward position so a move back to the wing would seemingly be free of many growing pains.

If a trade cannot be made, Atlanta has big bodies currently on the roster capable of making the above lineup shift a reality regardless. It’s very obvious the team plays extremely well when Horford’s able to log more time at power forward and with the way Smith is shooting the ball from the perimeter this season a full-time switch wouldn’t cause too much of a hiccup.

Unfortunately, Williams told HOOPSWORLD earlier this season he didn’t appreciate head coach Larry Drew’s decision to replace him in the starting lineup.

While Williams was professional in voicing his frustration, everyone sees an eventual bench role for him in order to appease Horford’s demands if he remains in Atlanta.

So instead of having a guy sulking on the bench in the future, it’s the time for the Hawks to make a bold move albeit an unpopular one in the locker room and finally push the team over the hump.

We’ve witnessed teams absorb much worse contracts than Williams and with so many franchises rebuilding it’s hard to fathom one of them wouldn’t take a flyer on a double-digit scoring, solid defensive and great character guy in the locker room.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18799#ixzz1EGQ8Zshn

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on the bright side teague hit a 3!! who cares if it was during garbage time. heh

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come on Honest_abe….. lest be honest for a second…. Teague is not that good. I watch almost ever Hawks game. and when he does get in the game he seems lost and scared. yea sure he is fast and can get to the basket but he doesn’t do it on a regular basis. sessions does and gets to the foul line. and that is something no one else on this team does. the more I think about he would be perfect for this team. because he attacks kind of like flip used to do, but he is more of a point than flip is.

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Duck Williams was the worst EVER #2 lottery draft pick in Atlanta Hawks history……..enough said…………

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Slimjr, yes Marvin was not a good choice at the number two over all pick, but he was not the hawks worst lotter draft pick. not even close. here a a few that where worst DeMarr Johnson 6th pick 2000, Shelden Williams 5th pick 2005 and AC Law 2007 with the 11th pick. just to name a few. Marvin is at least a rotational player if he was drafted around pick number 10 or lower he would have been a good draft pick. the others I named shouldn’t have never even been draft in the 2nd round.

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it’s called “sarcasm” silly rabbit.

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Problem with WIlliams is that he was chosen #2. If he was chosen 10th or a lower pick no one would complain about him. He is not as bust however as some have mentioned.

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correction higher pick

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they have to make a change. I really think Teague will be the player we need. He needs reps with the first team and he will develop. This is why I am starting to dislike LD, he says he is making major changes, starts Twin and gives Teague a big fat DNP…. Most fans really thought that was the change.

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ag, teague had his shot. JJ Hickson is playing well now but he wasn’t a starter then. and the rest of that line up that night for the cavs Parker, Moon, Jawad Williams come on dude you are not serious and yes it is almost the same roster that they play now. and that is why they have the worst record in the NBA. Teague is just another Law or Salim. get over it. we just don’t know how to draft point guards. I remember Salim Stoudamire scored 37 points against Portland his second year in the league with there starters playing hell he almost one the game for us…… Where is he now. what I am trying to say is one game does not make a good player.

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This article says the Hawks are 1.1 million under the cap

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/chris_mannix/02/16/trade.outlook.east/index.html

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Driver Wanted!

brigadierjerry,

Right now, if we put Teague behind the wheel of that Bentley, he would
need a stack of Yellow Pages to see over the hood, a drivers license and some defensive driving classes or, he will put that thing in a ditch.

Sometimes, Jeff looks sleepy. Hell, he might fall asleep behind the wheel and break his neck! (See DeMarr Johnson). Yall remember him?
He played for Lenny Wilkens, drove his own Mercedes into a ditch, hit a tree and broke his neck after falling asleep coming from a late night party. He wore a Halo on his neck not because he was an Angel, but because he was a dumb azz! Got waived here and played a few years for Toronto, The End of that story. He was in that horrible draft class with Brevin Knight. Can’t these guys afford a Limo Service when out on the town? Didn’t mean to go off on a tangent, but this team is all talked up.

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GSW is trying to deal Stephen Curry. I haven’t given up on that deal yet.

But what if we get Sessions or Curry, or Hinrich for that matter, and LD still goes with Bibby? What if the problem really is in LD’s aging PG DNA?

I like LD for going big on occasion, and for stressing the motion O. But with young G’s, he sure looks like Woody.

And Acie or Salim never looked as good as Teague looks on the court. Teague has potential. He’s a potential 15 and 7 guy with good D. Not elite, but better than anything we’ve had since Mookie. And a great fit for this team.

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Jae Evolution…. I am 100% in agreeance as well. I don’t think a 2nd and Evans would get it done though. more like a 2nd and Jordan Crawford

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ZaZa looks like he gives more effort than Collins, but he looks like his BB IQ is about 1/10th of Collins. If we could combine ZaZa’s energy, and Collins Stanford fed brain, we would have a middle of the road NBA C on our hands. But it doesn’t work that way.

If we could put Bibby’s BB IQ and former fearlessness into Jeff Teague’s body, you would have Derrick Rose also. Just sayin’

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Man life sucks right now for me being a Hawks fan!!! he sad part about it is we still have alot of players that some of these teams in the NBA want and (knock on wood) soon enough someone will get hurt while others lose value and we stuck with this team being a 45-50 win team for the next 6 years not getting out of the 2nd round!! I think our owners expect us to still come out and see them play even though we know they stand no chance to win a chip!! I guess the Braves model of doing this and fans slowly going away has not taught us anyhting!!! You have to keep the fans 2nd guessing your product and the possible sucess you can have if not like all of us on here we only go to games to either A say he have been to this year or B. Go see otehr NBA superstars and its sad to write this b/c im a die hard Hawks fan!!!!!!!!!

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SteveW…. he can’t be any worst at defending the pick and roll than bibby or JC1 or even teague.

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Myrak – I think if you put Teague out there 30mpg for 5 games straight, the kid would defend the pick and roll. Gotta get him some court time. If no trade happens, maybe he’ll get some mid to late March, because Bibby will be spent by then.

And it’s affecting Jamal playing the Point in a bad way also. If a 10 year vet doesn’t know if he’s to shoot or pass, how’s Teague supposed to know?

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The Hawks just aren’t going to make any trades. If we have not seen any urgency from the front office after the previous blowouts, last night’s loss is not going to make any difference to them. They sat on their hands when Shaq

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People on these boards come up with the dumbest shi+, where is your proof that Golden State is trying to trade Curry? Furthermore, if they do trade either of there guards it will be for a bigger guard and I doubt they want JJ’s contract, plus that would put us with 2 weak defenders at guard and 2 small backcourt players, we would be what they are now and are currently trying to correct. GSW would be better going after JR Smith, Afflalo, or someone like that in free agency this summer. It’s okay to hope but some of these dumb ass trades make no sense and are frustrating.

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LD playing Jamal Crawford at the point doesnt make sense. That isnt his game. He is a volume shooter when he is on he looks great but he is the little girl with the curl can look real good or real bad. Crawford in a lot of ways is a bigger version of Nate Robinson can get hot but he is the type of player you want to play in limited minutes cause he will shoot you out of games and I have seen enough of him living in the NY area when he was on the Knicks.

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A good acquisition although probably wont happen but he is expiring contract for the Hawks would be to go after Nene. Good center

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Superiorblogman – This from the Sporting News, among several sources:

“Warriors point guard Stephen Curry is guarded by Bulls point guard Derrick Rose. Golden State has said it would listen to offers for Curry and the rest of its players. (AP Photo)”

This has been reported for weeks.

And I have no idea what the rest of your post was about. Maybe offer them Teague, JC2, and 2 first picks and see what happens. The salaries work.

JJ and Bibby wouldn’t be nearly as good as JJ and Curry.

Teague wouldn’t diminish GSW’s backcourt size by much, if at all in place of Curry.

But GSW has been shopping Curry for weeks, and said they want a superstar in return. But in effect 4 first picks may entice them. I doubt it, but it might. Sure would help the Hawks.

Maybe you were referring to another post or something.

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Poor Man’s Wade!

I see jordan’s game and flashes of a rookie DWade. Let that dude play the PG. Why not? What have we got to lose?

Teague is NOT a PG never was. Has small hands and no court vision, does not know his position, nor where the team’s position is, nor does he know this motion offense. At least Josh is smart enough to see the plays before it happens, because he took the time to know where everybody is supposed to be. That was the GIFT Rodman had on the floor and his ability to know the physics of rebounding. Dennis could see where the ball was coming off the rim, five shots ahead of the game. And, was smart enough not to ever shoot the ball.

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And no other PG played significant minutes other than Smith or Teague for Wake that season either…

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Teague nor Acie Law could average atleast a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio in college. They were both bad picks if you are looking for someone to run your team. The Hawks do not know how to draft PG’s simple and easy.

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String 1- Teague, JJ, J-smoove, Horford, Collins

String 2 – JC2, JC1, Marvin, Powell, Zaza

String 3 – Bibby, Mo, Wilkins, Pape, Etan

If we don’t make these changes we will not stand a chance in the playoffs.

P.S. Teague is a beast. Get over it. Stop hating.

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From RotoWorld (a fantasy blog). So, take it for what it is:
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Ramon Sessions draws interest from Knicks, Hawks, Blazers



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⁠Feb 17, 2011, 4:26 PM EST

Kurt Helin

We’re members of the Ramon Sessions fan club. He’s not going to make you forget about Chris Paul, but he’s a quality point guard who plays within himself. He’s quick (clearly a lot quicker than Derek Fisher and Steve Blake after dropping 32 on the Lakers Wednesday), he’s good in transition and impressive on the pick-and-roll. Can’t really knock down the three so he doesn’t take them. Wish more guys would do that.

And the Cavs are finding a lot of trade interest from teams interested in acquiring Sessions, according to a tweet from ESPN’s Chris Broussard.

Sources say ATL, Portland, NYK among the teams interested in Cavs’ Ramon Sessions.

Atlanta makes a lot of sense. They start Mike Bibby at the point. He came into the NBA when Grover Cleveland was president. They wanted Jeff Teague to take that job away from him, but Teague has proven unable. They need a better option and Sessions game would fit well on offense with what the Hawks do (we mean he can watch Josh Smith take an ill-advised jumper as well as anyone). Not sure that Sessions pushes them past anyone in the East — especially in the playoffs — but he’s an affordable ($4 million this season, $4.2 million next) option.

The question is on defense — is he a better defender than Bibby? The numbers on Synergy this season say no, and Byron Scott has been frustrated with Sessions’ defense in Cleveland. But Bibby has such better big men behind him covering up his mistakes than Sessions we find it hard to compare. Basically, we’re not sure Sessions can be worse than Bibby.

As for the Knicks, Sessions makes a good fit as a backup to Raymond Felton or Chauncey Billups or whomever they have as the starting point by the end of next week.

Portland is looking at moving Andre Miller and if so Sessions would be a good fit, he could pick up a lot of assists lobbing the ball into LaMarcus Aldridge.

Where Sessions ends up depends on who can offer the best combo of picks and young players (or expiring deals) — the Cavs need to rebuild and you can bet they plan to deal Sessions to help that process.
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zblott – Feb 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Here’s why so many teams want Sessions:

http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2010/7/28/hey-nba-develop-this-young-pg.html

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Collins can’t stay on the court beyond 20 minutes. 6 fouls is the limit in the NBA.

DMB – how bout remembering Marvin Webster and David Thompson of the ‘75 draft…yes, it has been worse around here than what Marvin Williams came with.

Sessions? no thx….are you telling me there’s a NBA guard who can’t shoot a 3? Really? Andre Miller? Really? Talk about one less weapon in the arsenal.

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Pulling the picture together for you:

String 1- Teague, JJ, J-Smoove, Horford, Collins

String 2 – JC2, JC1, Marvin, Powell, Zaza

String 3 – Bibby, Mo, Wilkins, Pape, Etan

If we don’t make these changes we will not stand a chance in the playoffs.

P.S. Teague is a beast. Get over it. Stop hating.

Teague/Collins = Rondo/Perkins

Ray/Paul/KG = Big 3

Joe/J-Smoove/Horford = Big 3

It’s all about balance…

For the record, Josh Powell is the best backup Power Forward we have had in Atlanta probably over the last decade. He sure beats the heck out of Solomon Jones and Joe smith. He deserves playing time.

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I don’t know how accurate defensive rating and defensive win shares are (they are team-dependent so they can’t be compared in a vacuum), but they paint a picture of Sessions as an average defender compared to his teammates. Average still beats Bibby, and the more important thing is that Sessions would presumably contribute enough on offense to offset any defensive problems he causes.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4ukp8yw

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In the last 4 games, Jamal is 8 – 30 FG from the field ( 27% shooting )

Blame Drew all you want, but when people can’t make shots, can’t defend, and won’t play tough, it’s tough to blame the coach for all of those things happening at the same time.

Blame the players folks. But you won’t, because some of you still believe Teague solves all of this. But because LD refuses to play him, you still blame Drew, instead of just seeing that the team consists of 5.5 players.

And if one or two of those players are really off their games, we’re dead in the water.

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As for JJ . . which JJ do some of you want? He was deferring to others all last game, playing “team ball”. If you want him to score more, he can’t defer to others. If you want him to play team ball, other guys will get touches and his shots will be down.

So which JJ do you want?

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The Hawks have several problems, but one of the biggest is Josh Smith. People need to stop talking about how good Josh Smith is. He’s garbo.

Josh Smith’s ppg numbers are inflated because he gets more chances to do ill advised things than just about any other non-super star player.

Look at the amount of ill advised jump shot attempts he takes. Look at the amount of wild shots he puts up. Most guys on most other teams would have been yanked off the court. If you give most of the guys riding the pine on any random NBA team’s bench the chance just to get the ball and fire up 6 or 7 jump shots and a few wild attempts off post moves every game, their ppg would go up too, because hey some would have to fall.

Josh Smith on ball defense is not that great, and the help defense he’s noted for wouldnt even be a need if we had guards that could stay in front of their man or bigs that could handle other teams’ bigs.

Josh Smith’s highlight reel dunks have some of you blinded. This guy is not an All Star.

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Najeh! What’s up fella?

Did you see that link I posted on sessions. It was the first insight I’ve gotten on what his talents really are. But, he sounds a lot like a very young Steve Nash w/o a 3 pt shot. But we don’t need another 3pt shooter, we need a facilitating PG like a Nash.

Sessions would flourish with our athletic wings and guards.
I can’t see any Trade Machine stuff on this B-Berry, but Ramon looks like he can be had for what we have to offer:

All they want are expiring contracts and we got like 5 of those.
Hey, Dan Gilbert is “Throwing in The Towel”.

Let’s hope Sund has his “Catcher’s Mit” oiled up and ready to receive?
This Sessions guy sounds like a Poor Man’s Nash – And everybody knows we Broke:
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Send Danny Boy, Marvin & Expiring Filler. (Not Jordan and Not Teague).
They can have Evans, Powell, Etan, Jamal and whoever else is expired!

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LD needs to have Josh Smith on a 5:1 ratio. 5 post-ups/drives to the basket for every jumpshot you take. It’s that simple. If smoove breaches the ratio, the he automatically comes out of the game.

In conclusion, LD is whipped.

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I like that trade but we’re taking on too many guards. Ship Bibby and Mo to NY since thay are loosing two point guards. They wont mind lol.

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Please stop discussing Sessions he is even more of a band-aid than Jamal was. Denver was once said to not really want Devin Harris. If that deal gets done, jump in and snag Devin Harris while giving them another 1st round pick. Jamal, Zaza, and a 2012 1st rounder for Harris. Try to keep Teague because Bibby will soon be off books and hopefully you can keep him for the veteran minimum after that.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4zpd5pu

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On second thought, it’s a tolerable trade. But I was never one for getting rid of smoove (as evidenced by my excellent lineup shifts . I will never give Ty Lawson credit either. He just gets more PT. Teague will be better if given the oppourtunity.

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I’m a big fan of Nene’s Game, but the guy gets injured A LOT….makes me a little nervous.

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Najeh Davenpoop

February 17th, 2011
11:36 pm

“Jamal, Zaza, and a 2012 1st rounder for Harris. ”

You’re going to have to explain why anyone would want to trade for the 3 years and $13 million left on Zaza’s contract, considering he has looked like a bottom 5 player in this league this year. Besides that, I wouldn’t mind.

What do you ever explain? I will explain though, they save money over the life of the contracts. Would you rather have 3 years $4 million or 3 years $27 million if you didn’t want either? That’s a easy answer, now you throw in a 1st round pick and possible Jamal to replace JR Smith because they don’t like JR Smith’s attitude. I think it’s a very possible trade if the Hawks would reach out, and the best part they are not over the luxury.

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Ooops, just saw the hoopshype news. Love it! I hope sund has a brain! Get us Devin!

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“I don’t really care if Marvin goes somewhere else and blow up!
We just don’t need him here – we never did. He is holding up our PG needs and always has, (regardless of who’s to blame)”

drmaryb is right on pt!! Marvin cost us two hall of fame pg’s (CP3&DWILL) and future Allstar R. Felton!! He will always be associated with that #2 pick in 2005 that could have set up the Hawks for Championship type runs over the next decade maybe?
David Stern= The fix is in..There will be no Championships in Atlanta…never..I get it now Mr. Stern……
Marvin was “a terrible pick” for the reason stated above..Go git a real pg and ship Marvin outta here asap, yesterday……………………

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Superiorblogman BAD TRADE NO WAY YOU TRADE ZAZA, this team already is horrible with no size you trade 6′11 ZAZA then your the smallest team in the nba, and with the hawks rank almost dead last in rebounding i say no 2 giving up ZAZA.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!

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In other news, we now know what Joe is doing with all that max contract money.

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Josh Smith is the total downfall of the Hawks

You know Josh Smith is the downfall of this organization even more so than Bibby being the PG or the Marvin Williams pick. Let me explain. When Josh was drafted by the Hawks he was drafted as a SF. Rather or not the front office could foresee Josh gaining a lot of weight or his body filling out or him being a inconsistent perimeter shooter is debatable, but what is not debatable is Josh was moved to PF after they figured he could not handle the SF position. Then they select Marvin as the SF. Then Sheldon as the Center or whatever the hell that was. Then trade for Joe as the SG and Speedy as PG. That was suppose to be the team. The team was built around one guy not being able to pull his weight and that is Josh. It was done all wrong. You don’t build around a guy with faults as glaring as Josh. He must be traded he is the total downfall of this franchise.

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” Wed 02 vs Chicago
Fri 04 vs Oklahoma City
Sun 06 vs New York
Tue 08 vs LA Lakers
Fri 11 @ Chicago
Sat 12 vs Portland
Tue 15 vs Milwaukee
Wed 16 vs Denver
Fri 18 vs Miami
Sun 20 vs Detroit
Tue 22 vs Chicago
Wed 23 @ Philadelphia
Sat 26 vs New Jersey
Sun 27 @ Cleveland
Wed 30 vs Orlando
Well Mr. Gearon, looks like you won’t have to wait for the playoffs to see the wheels start to fall off the wagon..Your March schedule is going to be MADNESS!!!!!…Couldn’t happen to nicer guy…..
My remote will be busy…………LOL
You gotta love NBA TV! FYI, Chicago is rolling now. It does not bode well for the the Hawks..Can you spell steamroll????

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@ Big Ray . . . I’m not worried about this team. Deep down, we all knew the type of team they are. Good, but not championship caliber. So I don’t expect them to play at a high level every night.

Every year around this time ( especially in the past 4 years ) the Hawks have played poor to mediocre. Then after the All-Star break, we go out West and still look mediocre.

But when we have that homestand in March, they always seem to pull it together. And we will beat some top level teams along the way. So unless this team freefalls during March, I’m not too concerned with them.

Even with Jamal, everybody knows that he’s streaky. One explosion of a game, and people will be right back on his jock.

When it comes to the Hawks, I just don’t expect them to be more than what they are. Same goes with management.

But anything can happen between now and the playoffs. People get hot. Other teams may lose a player. Just have to let it play out.

I just want March to hurry up and get here, so that I can see if this team can rise to the occasion against those top level teams night after night.

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Time for some new t-shirts.

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I’m all for Sessions, but only if the cost is an expiring contract and a 2nd round pick. I’m not giving up Teague or Jo Craw, just so I can pay Sessions $8.8 million over the next 2 years.

Cleveland got Sessions along with Hollins and a conditional 2nd round pick for the cap friendly contract of Delonte West (basically a $4M savings) & Sebastian Telfair.

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LOL, Rod Strickland. You can’t be serious. That’s like saying Josh Smith is Lebron James. Please man. He’s a good backup PG. Don’t make more of it than what it is. Teams are going to sag off of him like they do Teague and teams will be quickly shut what he likes to do down since players come to play v. the Hawks as they are a respectable team throughout the league. If he’s going to spot minutes with Bibby and share the starting role for this season. He’s not the answer. He’s basically on the same level with Sebastian Telfair with less PG skills, more size and athletic ability.

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Also, I wouldn’t put a ton of stock into those win projections. There’s a lot more to winning that PER, and those projections are entirely PER-based.

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I remember David Lee PER was really high and KG was low last year. Also Kevin Love PER is much higher than Dirk. But who is a much better player?

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You have to make a trade proposal that makes financial sense to ASG and to the other team. This trade helps all parties involved:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6fdsdnm

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Air Zaza,

Not a good distributor, but he had 24 assists in a game?

Does NOT compute, man. I don’t care if it was rec league, 24 assists is NOT “poor distribution”, LOL!

I’m not saying go get him, or that he’s all that and a scoop of ice cream, but 24 assists in a game does nothing to show me that he’s “not a good distributor”.

Do you not notice that Teague (for example) would have higher assist totals if some of his passes weren’t fumbled by less athletic teammates? So if Sessions had 24 assists in “garbage time” how many more would he have had playing with the big boys?

Like I said, I’m not on his bandwagon yet, but anyone capable of 24 assists in an NBA game is NOT a poor distributor. Period.

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To Air ZaZa

Derrick rose is not a great 3 point shooter either, but what he does is drive the basketball and make other defenders have to help leaving space on the floor for Kyle Korver and deng, while giving easy passes to boozer. Sessions can do those things and allow for Joe and jamal to have easy looks while distributing to Al and Josh around the basket. This kid has the intangibles to be not just a solid point guard in this league, but special.

the other trade the hawks need to make is trying to acquire Samuel Dalembert, he is a good defensive center and shot blocker, knows what his role is and would give the hawks more size. Move him to the starting lineup. Trade zsa zsa, and Marvin Williams for Dalembert and Reggie Williams.

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Rose is going to dismantle a lot of good teams, like the spurs last night.

He’s arguably the best point guard in the NBA right now, no point in worrying about it.

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kwooden, you know the problem with the Hawks right now? Every other team knows your weaknesses and they attack those weaknesses.
So what does Larry do in response? He plays JC1/Bibby/JJ/Smoove/Marvin to start the 4th down 13…now you tell me what happened in that quarter? Larry’s decisions cost us any chance to compete in this game. He threw in the towel after 3 quarters.
That to me tells me he isn’t much of a game coach. Not making adjustments to get back in the game. The Knicks are far from a top East team. It is simply inexcusable.
Larry must have had a plane to catch and just threw this one away.
And I agree with you as many do here; no way Teague does worse than Bibby with equal minutes. And I say Teague is as good as Ty Lawson.

Want to prove it? Fire this long term assistant we hired on the cheap as a stop gap, quit trying to fool the fans and saving a buck.
Gearon is the problem here, not the solution.

Larry will not develop a point guard as long as he is here. He will not make players better. Is anyone on this team playing better than last year? The exception is Jason Collins, who quit overeating. That isn’t coaching; that’s trying to keep a paycheck.

The problems with this team are many despite the record. Sund is a fool if he continues to banter that same jargon he threw out there a couple of weeks ago.

MC, please do not interview Sund anymore. I don’t want to hear his spew.

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O’Brien,

Sending Powell in the deal would be attractive to ASG because it would keep them out of L. tax.

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Can anyone explain how Dallas has 3 point guards better than what we have? Scouting? You think?

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lol@Grilled out Joe Johnson

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February 24: Trade deadline, 3 p.m. ET

Another day closer, yet no activity by the Hawks. If we lose in embarrassing, blowout fashion to the Lakers on the 22nd and the Suns on the 23rd, does anyone think it will force the ASG’s hand? At this point, I don’t.

Nor do I have any confidence that Drew will keep his word and shake-up the line-up in any significant way.

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Rev, no pun intended….but no faith in Gearon, Sund or Larry.

This is not a business striving to be the best. The best example of a decent company that would rather blame the economy, reduce the employee head count, and not be accountable for their average leadership.

Waiting for Gearon to come out and ask Hawks fans for more support and how they are losing 20M this year……

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Of course, all that bling will go nicely with Joe’s monster truck.

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Gearon, is going to have to step up his lame game if he expects me to acquire free tickets to come down to Philips…Right now its a waste of time…Yawn……… They fixin to get steam rolled by LA and Phoenix next week!! It’s going to be real ugly.Expect 20+ pt losses and their back to back too? Yikes!!! Let me take a peek at Monique Minor to calm down..Goodness Gracious! Is she related to drmayb by any chance? lol

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Nuttie – Buddie!

Slimjr is my Nuttie-Buddie. Or is he T.S.? Mmmh …
Man you wild! LOL! With some smiles.
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We will probably get Sessions for all this is worth. That trade will definitely improve the Hawks w/o giving up Jordan or Jamal.

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I wonder what Marvin’s doing this weekend….he’s definitely not headed to LA.

Play a few video games, go to a couple of movies….get away from basketball so it doesn’t wear on him??

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Things happen when you get together face-2-face:

According to realgm, the deal is getting done:

The trade would send Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Sheldon Williams, Melvin Ely and Renaldo Balkman to New Jersey, and Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, Troy Murphy, Ben Uzoh and four first-round draft picks to Denver.

Denver would then try to unload Murphy’s contract on a third team, presumably using one or more of the picks received from New Jersey.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/211081/Report_Nets_Nuggets_Reach_Tentative_Agreement_On_Carmelo_Trade#ixzz1ELDFxvl1

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Melo-Drama!

Melo will never sign that extension for 65M to remain in NJ!
Why would he agree to rebuild at this stage of his career?

Final Destination is NYC! Why not? The desire in a man’s heart is what he will ultimately do. NJ will be de-boning their team for a 40 Game Rental at best, which is probably fine from their perspective if they van unload all those unwanted contracts at once.
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Kanye Shrug!

Who cares, if it doesn’t concern my Hawks.

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“Shellhead looks like he is headed to team number 7 since being drafted in ‘06. FYI, the record is 12, so perhaps Shell is headed for that record.”
Can you believe, Mr basketball expert BK passed up Rondo,Brandon Roy, and Ruy Gay for that buster??..I personally would have drafted his wife Candice Parker! Goodness Gracious!..Talk about filling the seats…LOL

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We have got to find some way to get rid of ASG get a good owner like Blank i tired of Atlanta not having any buzz .

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Now that it looks like Theo Ratliff is out for the rest of the year, I wonder if the Lakers would want Powell back. Josh P for D Caracter works for me.

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KevinM

Yeah, but NJ will never play at The MSG and NJ will never have Amare for Melo to play with and NJ will never have Spike Lee waving his towel on their sidelines. There is a lot more to Melo heading to NYC than just to play with Billups (whom he already has had) or Lopez who is a nobody.

I never seen Lopez on anything, commercial, endorsement or an ESPN highlight reel. Why would Melo want to rebuild anything at this point.
He had a great team in Denver and they didn’t get it done there.

Besides, IF Melo was gonna’ sign a NJ extension? He would have done that a long, long time ago. He can virtually walk to MSG next Summer as a free man. A trade only benefits Denver, not The Knicks nor himself, unless you’re counting the 65M which he has already truned down many times. It’s about winning now. Not money and definitely NOT rebuilding anything. Melo is in his prime and it’s all about the ring now, not the Benjamin’ s. Also, CP3 is their 3rd piece after next year, allegedly.

Hey man, it’s all about doing what Boston did and Miami is doing now.

IMHO. Read my lips … Melo will not sign that NJ extension.

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*like bad step children

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Pimps and Busters!

The Pimps and Busters Award goes to these 8 guys:

“This situation is tearing up the insides of NHL commissioner Gary Bettman. He doesn’t want to be the guy who allowed Atlanta to lose an NHL franchise for the second time. But he knows it’s a horrible situation created by horrible ownership, which he has called on the carpet before. There is no incentive for an outsider to purchase only the hockey team and keep it in Atlanta. There also is no market right now for the Spirit to sell both teams and the arena rights, even though both have been on the market for at least two years.

The Spirit admits in a current complaint against their former attorneys that they’ve been seeking to sell the Thrashers almost since closing the deal to buy them. How can somebody claim to be putting out the best possible product and at the same time be looking to dump it?

There’s a word for that: fraud.”
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This is just an excerpt from a Mark Bradley article about these ASKG – Pimps and Busters!

If these clowns do anything at all by the trade deadline it will be for Ramon Sessions in exchange for probably Marvin and some expiring contracts. If they are lucky, perhaps they can keep Marvin and ship out the other losers on this b!tch – bench.

Other than that, all I got for ASKG is a: Kanye Shrug!

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“Does anyone have any ideas how to get rid of ASG”
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legally?

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I agree with drmaryb . . unless Jersey have a hell of a plan up their sleeves that they can sell Melo on. I can easily see Jersey overpaying for some young talent, or big name veteran free agents, to try to give off the perception that the Nets ( with Melo ) will be an up and coming team next season.

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drmaryb,

LOL, you make the ASKG sound like a disease.

I wish we had the right ointment to make ASKG fall away like some leprous sore.

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* 5 days and 15 hours.

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““Does anyone have any ideas how to get rid of ASG””

The same way the Egyptians overthrew their dictatorship?

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Najeh,

Even if Billups does not ask for a buyout, he has a player option for next year, so what do the Nets do for a PG next season?

If I’m Melo, I dont think I would sign with Nets. They are giving up 4 first round picks, so there goes that opportunity to find cheap talent for 3 years, and Lopez is a good player, but he is not a dominant player.

And if Chauncey leaves, then what? If I’m Melo, I plead with the Knicks to sweeten their deal with Denver. At least they have Stoudemire already, and Felton is decent, and they already play in NY. And in 2 years, CP3 might try and work his way there (which is what he said he would try and do).

With the Nets, Melo would have to wait until 2012 before getting a chance to play in Brooklyn.

I would be very surprised if he signs an extension with the Nets.

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“Does anyone have any ideas how to get rid of ASG”
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RAID! Kills Roaches Dead.

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New blog

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