Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 94, Pistons 79
Bibby had bounce for the Hawks. (AP Photo)
Auburn Hills, Mich.–It’s not that the Hawks played particularly well. It’s that they didn’t stay down once they got there and then competently put away the Pistons even though scoring wasn’t easy after halftime (a situation that’s never been their strong suit).
- It’s not a W that will answer any questions about their status in the East. It is a W that allows them a chance to move forward from the ugly Ls to Philly and Charlotte at Philips.
- “We play with more of an ‘us against them’ mentality on the road,” L.D. said.
- Not sure about the mentality, but the Hawks got production from some places they can’t always count on. Bibby, of course, topped the list.
- He hadn’t scored as many as 17 points since he had 19 against the Nets on Dec. 19. That’s also the last time he had as many combined points and assists (24), and this year he’s never had as many points, assists and rebounds combined (30).
- “This was probably one of his better games this year,” L.D. said. “It just seemed like he had more zap, more spunk and he was moving around really well. I wanted to keep him out on the floor as much as I could, especially when I took Joe out.”
- The Hawks don’t win without Bibby’s contributions. He scored on a night they struggled with it, was the only guy rebounding outside of Smoove and Marvin and expertly pushed the pace when the Hawks needed to run.
- Even in the halfcourt, Bibby was dancing with the ball. Bynum seemed caught off guard when Bibby blew by him for a basket in the second half.
- “I was more aggressive,” Bibby said. “I have been letting myself get down a little too much and I let it affect the way I played. No one really expects me to go to basket anymore so I just tried to make an effort to make things happen.”
- Bibby’s offensive production more than compensated for his troubles keeping Stuckey Bynum out of the lane. In the second half his teammates minimized the damage by getting more in sync with the backline help, the closeouts and the switches.
- “Even though we was scrambling out there sometimes, guys stepped up and helped each other out,” Josh said. “For the guys that was helping each other out, somebody else had their back. Whenever we have that trust factor out on the court defensively, that’s when we are a tough team to score on.”
- Smoove (28 points on 17 shots, 14 rebounds) controlled the game at times. His jump shot was falling, too.
- The Pistons managed just 28 points after halftime. They scored seven points in the opening eight minutes of the fourth quarter. After making 8 of 10 3-point attempts in the first half, Detroit made 2 of 9 after halftime.
- “We had to defend that 3-point line,” L.D. said. “We had to run them off. They have got some guys that can really stroke it. When Villanueva came in the game, when Daye came in the game we had to make a conscious effort defending the three. We ended up switching a lot of things they were involved in just so we could get body on body. When that happens we have got to make sure we sit down on guys like Bynum and Stuckey. We have got to contain them off the dribble.”
- Things got away from the Hawks when L.D. went to the bench in the first half. Actually, throw out that stretch late in the first quarter and early in the second and the Hawks pretty much dominated the Pistons. L.D. tightened the rotation after halftime, using only Marvin and Jamal until garbage time.
- The Hawks were off and running in the second quarter with the Bibby-Joe-Marvin-Josh-Al lineup. They were credited with eight fastbreak points and I counted at least two other baskets created off the secondary break.
- “We knew they played last night and we knew their legs were going to be a little tired,” Marvin said. “We are a faster team than they are. Once we went to the small lineup, we’ve got five guys that can push the ball and make plays.”
- Marvin was the exception to the general lack of anything from the bench. He stuck his nose in to collect seven defensive rebounds and earned eight free-throw attempts.
- This was a game for those blog people who like Marvin coming off the bench because he gets more involved that way and the second unit desperately needs his production.
- “Coming in as a reserve, he’s getting a chance to get a real feel for the game just watching the rhythm of the game,” L.D. said. “When he gets in there, I am going right to him. Tonight he did a good job playing within himself.”
- Marvin still doesn’t see it that way: “You’ve got to feel it to get a feel for it, I think. It’s going to be something that obviously I am going to have to adjust to, but I will figure it out.”
- Zaza is out of sorts. His worst moment was catching the ball in the paint alone near the rim and fading away from it to miss a bank shot. It’s getting to the point where sometimes it almost seems as if he would rather be fouled than have to finish at the basket.
- Jamal had a season-low two shots in 30 minutes. And this time he didn’t offset the lack of points with dimes, getting just two against three assists. Can’t remember the last time he was this unnoticeable.
- Joe didn’t have it going but at least he didn’t shoot the Hawks out of it. Interesting, though, that L.D. called a timeout after Joe missed an iso jump hook on the baseline and Josh rebounded Gordon’s miss. The Hawks were up 88-75 at the time but clearly Drew was worried about poor shot selection letting Detroit back in it.
- Marvin, by the way, scored on a drive after that timeout. The Hawks worked the ball around but couldn’t find an opening so Marvin took his man off the dribble.
- L.D.’s caution about fouls, not health, limited Al to 28 minutes. “It’s good,” Al said of his back. “At this point it’s just sore. But I feel pretty good.”
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126 comments Add your comment
Ra'mon
February 15th, 2011
10:40 am
Maybe the solution is for Bibby to stop practicing. I mean at this point in his career is he really learning anything in practice? So maybe his practice should just be a short workout.
Also, how long have I been pitching ideas about Jamal Crawford for Bynum, Wallace, and someone else.
darrell starks
February 15th, 2011
10:43 am
LD why he continue 2 put jamal and bibby on the court is insane 2 me, last night LD was lucky but he can’t continue doing the same thing with both player on the court together it will burn him when it count.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
KevinM
February 15th, 2011
10:46 am
I see Billups now being included in talks to the Knicks. The Nuggets would end up getting Felton and Gallinari. They can continue to work towards the playoffs.
And not sure how much he can produce, but it sounds like Memphis is ready to give up on Thabeet…..can you drop Marvin off at the closest FedEX and send him to Memphis in return? Might offer up Zaza as well…he not doing much here.
darrell starks
February 15th, 2011
10:46 am
IF the hawks trade jamal it have 2 be for a good solid player who is equal or better, not just some scrubs 2 feel up the roster spot.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
February 15th, 2011
10:51 am
KEVIN M i say the best trade out there is 2 get devin harris, if you put him on this team with JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, this team would be a solid contender in the east.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
February 15th, 2011
10:55 am
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6bv84hb
Ra'mon
February 15th, 2011
10:56 am
Darrell, a deal with Jamal and Zaza for Bynum, Wallace, and Prince makes the Hawks better in every aspect. The deal makes them better defensively. The deal makes them better offensively (more rebounds leads to more FG opportunities), and it adds PLAYOFF leadership to a team that really doesn’t have any. Jamal is like a lottery ticket. On the day your number hits, its great. But most night you end up going home thinking what if.
darrell starks
February 15th, 2011
10:58 am
STARTER DEVIN, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, COLLINS
BENCH BIBBY, DAMIEN, OUTLAW, POWELL, ZAZA
RESERVE TEAGUE, MOE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
KevinM
February 15th, 2011
10:58 am
darrell, that deal (DHarris/Outlaw for JC1/Marvin) would make me start coming out to games again. I’m convinced we could reduce Bibby’s minutes by 15-20 after that move…..he could stay in his prime a bit longer.
Ray
February 15th, 2011
10:59 am
@ HooiserHawk
Did you not read what I said under that it was just a joke dude my god you must live to be an epic failure that can’t read.
JeJe
February 15th, 2011
10:59 am
FIRE SUND
NorcalHawk
February 15th, 2011
11:01 am
Again I ask, what’s the deal with Jamal? Is he injured, distracted, in a deep slump, or what? How do you go from being the best 6th man in the league to a non-factor? Good to see Bibby bounce back against the Pistons, and he’ll have to keep that going if Jamal doesn’t start putting the ball in the hole.
JeJe
February 15th, 2011
11:02 am
I would not trade Marvin for Thabeet
JeJe
February 15th, 2011
11:05 am
Thabeet blows
mykhalc
February 15th, 2011
11:10 am
always glad to see ‘em get the W…but it doesn’t change a thing in my mind. Marvin comin’ off the bench should be a permanent no-brainer for LD at this point!!!
darrell starks
February 15th, 2011
11:14 am
DEVIN HARRIS AGE 27 STILL YOUNG AND CAN GROW WITH THE YOUTH OF JOSH, HORFORD.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
JeJe
February 15th, 2011
11:14 am
We will win tomorrow and then suffer on the West Coast.
Might as well forfeit the game @LAL. We will be 61-35 at the half in that game or will lose 101-75
*Yawn*
JeJe
February 15th, 2011
11:15 am
*down 61-35
FIRE WOODY
SteveW
February 15th, 2011
11:22 am
In defense of LD not developing Teague:
LD is in win now mode. ASG only gave him a 2 year contract. He doesn’t have time to “develop” an obviously talented kid who desperately needs PT to work out kinks. Yes, Teague was a disaster yesterday. But when he comes in and does well, the knock is, he only does it in garbage time.
I think LD lives everyday hoping Sund trades for Ramon Sessions, Mo Williams, or better yet, Stephen Curry. I think he’s at the point of deliberately not playing Teague, hoping Sund pulls the trigger before the trade deadline on a trade. And I also think he told Bibby he had 2 games before the All Star break to improve, or he was going to be forced to start Teague.
LD’s son was in Teague’s shoes kinda at UNC. Roy said I have to go with the better PG since we’re losing. So LDII left. It’s time to trade Teague, for the Hawks sake currently, LD’s sake, and especially for Teague’s sake.
So I don’t blame LD for what he’s doing. But I don’t like it, because it hurts us in the long run. Because last night will not be the new normal for Bibby. Bank on it. Maybe Wed. and maybe the 1st couple of games after the break, and then we see the old Bibby come back.
SteveW
February 15th, 2011
11:24 am
I’m convinced Bibby would be very productive in a 10-15 minute per night role.
Rufus1
February 15th, 2011
11:32 am
Trade..
Teague and Mo for Will Bynum/or Stuckey and Wallace.
Rufus1
February 15th, 2011
11:34 am
Lol…Man this is funny TYGER.
“Next possession, Jamal Crawford takes ball away from him before he breaks it.”
Mr Mojo
February 15th, 2011
11:35 am
Marvin and Teague for Harris and Murphy?
Ken Strickland
February 15th, 2011
12:31 pm
How long do any of you think it will take before we see another solid performance from Bibby, like the one we got last night? How long will it be before we even see him equal his current PPG average. Even our most ardent BIBBY SUPPORTERS have enough sense to know it’s not going to happen on a regular basis.
When Bibby produces like he did last night, we almost always win, but gms like these from him have become very rare. It appears Jamal is in a major slump. HE’S NOT A PG, and forcing him to play PG has taken a toll on his overall gm. While his scoring has suffered recently, his assists are up. He’s at his best when he’s in attack mode and focused primarily on scoring. But as the backup PG, he’s trying to set everyone up and run the OFF, which makes what he does best, SCORING, a secondary option.
I noticed something in last nights gm that’s significant. When JJ had the ball he consistently backed his man into the lane, but It appeared he was more focused on forcing a double team than scoring. He did have a couple of turnovers trying to pass out of double teams. It appears that Horford’s back, and maybe that brace he’s wearing, are affecting his ability to rebound and work effectively in the post. Looking forward to the next gm.
cp
February 15th, 2011
12:58 pm
I was shocked that they didn’t put their heads down once they fell behind. Im always happy for a win but its not much I can take from beating a terrible Detroit team. Surprised that Dumars hasn’t fired the coach yet because he looks like he doesn’t know wtf to do…..And what is up with this Thabeet love on here? Dude is trash.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 15th, 2011
1:00 pm
Forget Bynum and Stuckey; I want T-Mac and Ben Wallace. Get some veterans in here who know how to win to fill out the bench.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4zxnjuq
Detroit saves $1 million in cash and $2 million off next year’s salary cap number and gets the best player in the deal. Atlanta dumps three useless players plus Jamal for three useful players, including one who is very capable of filling Jamal’s bench scoring role.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 15th, 2011
1:01 pm
I don’t get the Thabeet love either. Might as well bring back Randolph Morris. RandMo has shown a hell of a lot more than Thabeet has in the NBA.
tyger
February 15th, 2011
1:04 pm
Get Thabeet – make mistakes BIG, not small. What are the odds of another 7′3 young shot-blocking machine falling in our lap? What is our greatest need? we obviously cant develop little guys, how about a really big one. And what was our last track record with a gangly shotblocking African?
Grizzlies Aggressively Shopping Thabeet
Feb 15, 2011 02:53 AM EST
Hasheem Thabeet is the only player of the Grizzlies’ roster that management is including in aggressive trade talks.
Thabeet was the second overall pick in the 2009 NBA Draft.
The Grizzlies have received calls about O.J. Mayo, but they are not actively shopping him.
Via Memphis Commercial Appeal
Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/210947/Grizzlies_Aggressively_Shopping_Thabeet#ixzz1E3FlBVxF
This is a project worth under-taking. Get the kid and bring Mutombo back as his personal coach.
K-Dogg
February 15th, 2011
1:06 pm
Yeah Crawford and his agent probably know he about to get dealt and you can tell with his game!!! Its sucks b/c he is a baller and wanted to be here but the Hawks do have to do something to imporve this team b/c it has reached its celing and is not getting out of the 2nd roudn with this team im just interested to see who all goes with him and who we get in return!! I have been saying center for 3 years now and we can move Al to the 4 and try Josh at the 3. I like Marvin comign off the bench too b/c he is ok when he gets some plays called for him but all in all this team has alot of peices they can move to make a blockbuster trade or decent small ones that if we had the right GM could make us worth something!!! Problem is our GM’s dont knwo what they are doing!!!
JeJe
February 15th, 2011
1:06 pm
At least we beat Detroit. They and Milwaukee have given us trouble all year plus last year
HoosierHawk
February 15th, 2011
1:20 pm
@ Ray- you did preface it by saying it wouldn’t happen. My bad. I can read, I am just selective about what is worth reading : )
How about this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4geoxn7
Hawks get a good PG and a good C which allows them to play the big lineup with Josh as the starting 3.
Denver is the only team that’s projected wins go down but they get 2 young players, 1 guy who will help them this year and 20 mil in expiring contracts. Throw in some picks, and maybe you could sway them.
New York gets Melo and a PG who can shoot.
Not going to happen, but intriguing.
Section 303
February 15th, 2011
1:40 pm
tyger, the one problem is that Thabeet sucks. So, why make a mistake when you already know it’s going to be a mistake? The guy is not good. He would not help the Hawks at all. I would rather have Collins and Zaza, and I think Zaza sucks, too. But, not as bad as Thabeet. So, stop. I’m going to fire you as GM before you even start the job.
HoosierHawk
February 15th, 2011
1:41 pm
In case you don’t feel like clicking the link:
Hawks get: Nene, Raymond Felton
Nugs Get: Marvin, Timofy Mozgov (lots of potential), JC1 (expiring), Curry (Expiring), Hawks 1st round pick (cause we don’t know how to use em).
Knicks Get: Carmello, Bibby
superiorblogman
February 15th, 2011
1:41 pm
Bibby was the PG that we need all the time tonight. Meaning he went to the rack like people think Teague is capable of. The problem is Bibby can’t do that every night, we need someone who can. The blueprint for this team is being written as I speak but Sund and the ASG don’t care to see or listen.
Section 303
February 15th, 2011
1:45 pm
One thing the past ten games or so (not counting the home game against the Clippers) have shown me is that Jamal Crawford is not essential to the Hawks success. Unless he is going crazy, like he did against the Clips, he really has a minimal impact. The Hawks have won several games without Crawford doing much of anything. Case and point, last night’s game at Detroit. Crawford was total nonfactor, Hawks win anyways.
My point….I’m becoming more and more in favor of making a trade involving Jamal. It seems to me that his expiring contract has to be worth something good. Right? He’s a walking, breathing, shooting $10-million off the books. Some team will want that. And, be willing to part with some decent players to get it.
I like Crawford a lot. I enjoy watching him play. But, really, he just rarely has much of an impact these days.
Astro Joe
February 15th, 2011
1:45 pm
Yeah, teams that rarely make the playoffs routinely “aggressively shop” shot-blocking machines who make less than $6M/year (BTW, who has more blocked shots this year, Thabeet or Marvin… Thabeet wins by a whopping 4 blocks and consider how many games Marvin has missed). Trading for Thabeet is the same as seeing a 2008 Mercedes S class on the side of the street with a $5,000 price tag and thinking “oh man, I’ve got to get that ride”. You’d do better burning that $5,000… at least the fire would give you temporary warmth.
Section 303
February 15th, 2011
2:00 pm
Najeh, I’m with you on getting T-Mac. I think he would help a lot. Wallace? Not so much. The guy was so underrated at one point that he’s become overrated. He has not made an impact on a team since the ‘05 Pistons. He is a little too washed up for my taste.
Plus, I always pass on guys that are major liabilities at the free throw line. They just leave too many points on the floor.
superiorblogman
February 15th, 2011
2:02 pm
I am all for Thabeet. I do not see what you would be losing. Trade Zaza and Mo for Thabeet and Sam Young. Off course, you could just wait and select a C in the draft, but there are not many maybe 3 Centers will be worth taking a shot on this year. Whereas last year there were close to double digit C’s worth taking a shot on and we did not take anyone. We took a small SG who does not even see the floor. Sund needs to build through trades because he is horrible at drafting players. Not one good draft pick by the guy yet.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=45btan6
It’s simple would you rather have Thabeet or Zaza. Thabeet, no contest. They both get payed similar amounts and I would rather have Thabeet’s legit C size and upside than Zaza’s eatery.
lewis
February 15th, 2011
2:07 pm
Jamal for Troy Murphy
Section 303
February 15th, 2011
2:09 pm
superiorblogman, I would take Zaza over Thabeet. Why? Zaza is a way better player.
I think some of you guys need to order NBA League Pass and watch these games. Thabeet is awful. Not bad. Awful. You do not want him wearing a Hawks uniform. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever.
Now, Sam Young I would take in a heartbeat. That guy is my favorite under the radar player in the league. Highly unlikely the Griz are looking to deal him, though.
superiorblogman
February 15th, 2011
2:13 pm
Section 303
February 15th, 2011
2:09 pm
superiorblogman, I would take Zaza over Thabeet. Why? Zaza is a way better player.
I think some of you guys need to order NBA League Pass and watch these games. Thabeet is awful. Not bad. Awful. You do not want him wearing a Hawks uniform. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever.
Now, Sam Young I would take in a heartbeat. That guy is my favorite under the radar player in the league. Highly unlikely the Griz are looking to deal him, though.
I don’t care who you would take #1. Next, I think you need to watch the Hawks games. Zaza is awful, he is soft and offers no resistance on defense. He has not done anything worth noting since his side show with Garnett. He has no upside and is not contributing consistently now. Thabeet atleast has upside considering they get paid similar amounts. Zaza offers nothing other than being the only person who is not of color on the Hawks squad.
K-Dogg
February 15th, 2011
2:26 pm
Please stop talking about tradeing for Thabeat; You guys are showing yur basketball IQ by doing that. We do need to look into trying to trade for Camby who is on the blocks and one of the centers that the Clippers or Kings have for Crawford. These teams imsure will listen and also woud be willing to throw in anotehr player like Miller who does not get along with Brandon Roy or Beno from the Kings who is an upgrade over our guys or Foye if the Clippers get Crawford. We have like i said options out their but our GM’s did not learn anything from last summer in that its best to get something out of these players then lose them for nothing. Only thing i can see is the Hawks owners wanting the money to fall off period thus being cheap again or Crawford agreeing to stay and work out a deal this summer which is almost impossible with a new CBA looming!!! He has no desire to go hard for a team that does not want him and he does not want to risk injury going into a contract year!!!! I cant blame him on the cool i blame our owners for putting us and him in this postion!!!
Ra'mon
February 15th, 2011
2:32 pm
Najeh, that’s a nice trade for the bench. But the Hawks are still left without anyone to guard the opposing pg during the playoffs.
Ra'mon
February 15th, 2011
2:34 pm
Camby is done for the season, so will not help.
Astro Joe
February 15th, 2011
2:41 pm
Too bad we don’t have a roster slot available because someone like Troy Murphy may very well be bought out after the trade deadline. It seems unlikely that any team would send $10M worth of real assets to the Nets for a 2-3 month rental on a guy who hasn’t played this season. We’re locked into trades as the exclusive means of altering this roster while other teams potentially will be able to consider guys who are bought out and immediately become free agents. I’d imagine that T-Mac is another buy-out candidate. Find older vets with expiring contracts on awful teams with no hope to make the playoffs and you’re looking at a viable buy-out candidate. But we have Pape Sy in the NBDL and Etan wearing suits to fill those potential roster slots.
Ken Strickland
February 15th, 2011
2:42 pm
If the hawks are serious about becoming a better playoff team than they’ve shown themselves to be over the last 2yrs, and they have no intention of developing and utilizing JTeague, then a trade for a starting caliber PG had better be forthcoming very soon. LDrew’s decision to follow in MWoodson’s footsteps, by going into the playoffs relying totally on a Bibby/Jamal PG combination, is only going to lead to another playoff embarrassment and his subsequent job loss.
It makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever for a 1st time HC on a 2yr contract, and a mandate to improve the teams playoff performance, to rely on a PG(Bibby) that faded down the stretch and in the playoffs last yr, and a backup PG(JCrawford) who’ll be a FA after the season and won’t likely be resigned. And to make it even more stupid and unexplainable, he states how he believes JTeague has all the tools and ability to get the job done, yet refuses to allow him an opportunity to do so. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.
Section 303
February 15th, 2011
2:47 pm
superiorblogman, I’m going to go out on a thick limb and say that I’ve probably watched twice as many Hawks games as you have over the past 7-8 years. I’m going to bet it is not even close, actually.
Zaza is not that good, I agree. Compared to Thabeet, Zaza is the 2nd coming of Tim Duncan. Thabeet has no upside.
Thank God for guys like Thabeet that there are people like you who refuse to belive a guy with height might suck. Allows the Thabeets of the world more time to steal money from NBA organizations.
I will say no more about Thabeet. Not worth the energy.
Trojan
February 15th, 2011
2:57 pm
Bibby having a good game just before the trade deadline is about as valuable as Bob Sura helping the Hawks play well enough to not be able to draft Dwight Howard.
K-Dogg
February 15th, 2011
3:02 pm
Ra’mon where you get your info from about Camby being out for the year big dog????
The Truth
February 15th, 2011
3:10 pm
Has anyone notice the maturation of Josh Smith lately? Based on his performances this year (so far), we are all growing more tolerant of his outside perimeter game though we still have a preference of more of him in the paint. His emerging consistency to knock-down that open jumper has perhaps caught even his worse critics off guard. While Al Horford is still growing favorably as the #3 draft pick, Josh Smith has perhaps already exceeded his draft pick expectations at #17 when you consider his stat-trend and the fact that he is yet to peak. He may be on pace to elapse his best 17.2 PPG in 2007-08. But that’s not as important as the many new ways he is getting it done. The significance this year is the increasing range and variety to his game. This year, for the first time, he’s Mr. inside and outside. His challenge though is to become more comfortable with his abilities without playing to prove he can shoot and make an outside jump shot. Also his TOs are still considered too high as he is ranked 24th out of 350 players. Some of this is due to his tunnel-vision manner while assisting others making him easy to read which leads to unnecessary TOs. He needs to be more illusive with his passing as defenders are reading his eyes. Nonetheless, in a yeomen-like manner, he just needs to establish himself inside-out, play unselfish, facilitate others and take what the defense gives him.
If he continues his upward maturation, Josh Smith could become the primary offense focus rather than secondary as it wouldn’t be a stretch for LD to adjust and move away from the overly high expectation of JJ and game plan accordingly. We all know the eggs JJ has laid in past playoffs have been legendary. Let face it, when Josh is on his game, who can guard him at SF? This man could become the second coming of the “Rain Man” and that’s not an outrageous statement. The only thing that prevents that from happening is the proper environment and Josh’s ego. If he would just continue to see himself as a student of the game while learning to get better; than he should go far and I mean All-Star far. Even HOF is not is not an unreachable goal.