Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 94, Pistons 79

Bibby had bounce for the Hawks. (AP Photo)

Bibby had bounce for the Hawks. (AP Photo)

Auburn Hills, Mich.–It’s not that the Hawks played particularly well. It’s that they didn’t stay down once they got there and then competently put away the Pistons even though scoring wasn’t easy after halftime (a situation that’s never been their strong suit).

  • It’s not a W that will answer any questions about their status in the East. It is a W that allows them a chance to move forward from the ugly Ls to Philly and Charlotte at Philips.
  • “We play with more of an ‘us against them’ mentality on the road,” L.D. said.
  • Not sure about the mentality, but the Hawks got production from some places they can’t always count on. Bibby, of course, topped the list.
  • He hadn’t scored as many as 17 points since he had 19 against the Nets on Dec. 19. That’s also the last time he had as many combined points and assists (24), and this year he’s never had as many points, assists and rebounds combined (30).
  • “This was probably one of his better games this year,” L.D. said. “It just seemed like he had more zap, more spunk and he was moving around really well. I wanted to keep him out on the floor as much as I could, especially when I took Joe out.”
  • The Hawks don’t win without Bibby’s contributions. He scored on a night they struggled with it, was the only guy rebounding outside of Smoove and Marvin and expertly pushed the pace when the Hawks needed to run.
  • Even in the halfcourt, Bibby was dancing with the ball. Bynum seemed caught off guard when Bibby blew by him for a basket in the second half.
  • “I was more aggressive,” Bibby said. “I have been letting myself get down a little too much and I let it affect the way I played. No one really expects me to go to basket anymore so I just tried to make an effort to make things happen.”
  • Bibby’s offensive production more than compensated for his troubles keeping Stuckey Bynum out of the lane. In the second half his teammates minimized the damage by getting more in sync with the backline help, the closeouts and the switches.
  • “Even though we was scrambling out there sometimes, guys stepped up and helped each other out,” Josh said. “For the guys that was helping each other out, somebody else had their back. Whenever we have that trust factor out on the court defensively, that’s when we are a tough team to score on.”
  • Smoove (28 points on 17 shots, 14 rebounds) controlled the game at times. His jump shot was falling, too.
  • The Pistons managed just 28 points after halftime. They scored seven points in the opening eight minutes of the fourth quarter. After making 8 of 10 3-point attempts in the first half, Detroit made 2 of 9 after halftime.
  • “We had to defend that 3-point line,” L.D. said. “We had to run them off. They have got some guys that can really stroke it. When Villanueva came in the game, when Daye came in the game we had to make a conscious effort defending the three. We ended up switching a lot of things they were involved in just so we could get body on body. When that happens we have got to make sure we sit down on guys like Bynum and Stuckey. We have got to contain them off the dribble.”
  • Things got away from the Hawks when L.D. went to the bench in the first half. Actually, throw out that stretch late in the first quarter and early in the second and the Hawks pretty much dominated the Pistons. L.D. tightened the rotation after halftime, using only Marvin and Jamal until garbage time.
  • The Hawks were off and running in the second quarter with the Bibby-Joe-Marvin-Josh-Al lineup. They were credited with eight fastbreak points and I counted at least two other baskets created off the secondary break.
  • “We knew they played last night and we knew their legs were going to be a little tired,” Marvin said. “We are a faster team than they are. Once we went to the small lineup, we’ve got five guys that can push the ball and make plays.”
  • Marvin was the exception to the general lack of anything from the bench. He stuck his nose in to collect seven defensive rebounds and earned eight free-throw attempts.
  • This was a game for those blog people who like Marvin coming off the bench because he gets more involved that way and the second unit desperately needs his production.
  • “Coming in as a reserve, he’s getting a chance to get a real feel for the game just watching the rhythm of the game,” L.D. said. “When he gets in there, I am going right to him. Tonight he did a good job playing within himself.”
  • Marvin still doesn’t see it that way: “You’ve got to feel it to get a feel for it, I think. It’s going to be something that obviously I am going to have to adjust to, but I will figure it out.”
  • Zaza is out of sorts. His worst moment was catching the ball in the paint alone near the rim and fading away from it to miss a bank shot. It’s getting to the point where sometimes it almost seems as if he would rather be fouled than have to finish at the basket.
  • Jamal had a season-low two shots in 30 minutes. And this time he didn’t offset the lack of points with dimes, getting just two against three assists. Can’t remember the last time he was this unnoticeable.
  • Joe didn’t have it going but at least he didn’t shoot the Hawks out of it. Interesting, though, that L.D. called a timeout after Joe missed an iso jump hook on the baseline and Josh rebounded Gordon’s miss. The Hawks were up 88-75 at the time but clearly Drew was worried about poor shot selection letting Detroit back in it.
  • Marvin, by the way, scored on a drive after that timeout. The Hawks worked the ball around but couldn’t find an opening so Marvin took his man off the dribble.
  • L.D.’s caution about fouls, not health, limited Al to 28 minutes. “It’s good,” Al said of his back. “At this point it’s just sore. But I feel pretty good.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

126 comments Add your comment

slimjr

February 14th, 2011
11:52 pm

First again………………………………………………….Wow……………

slimjr

February 14th, 2011
11:55 pm

What do you know???? Marvin and Bibby showed up tonight!!!! And Josh hit 2 bank shots!!! Wow….
Jamal just sit down dude..You look lost out there….4 games just totally out of sync?

slimjr

February 14th, 2011
11:57 pm

Good start to the long road trip…But Detroit is 15 games below .500 for reasons…up next the New York Knickerbockers……..

Najeh Davenpoop

February 15th, 2011
12:03 am

Najeh Davenpoop

February 15th, 2011
12:04 am

Wow, I f-cked up that post. My bad.

Worldwide Clyde

February 15th, 2011
12:16 am

Wow we beat the Pistons

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Mike Bibby in his prime

February 15th, 2011
1:26 am

How’s them apples taste HATERS?

Reggie

February 15th, 2011
1:54 am

No way do you trade Jamal for 3 guys that can’t outscore him combined…however if you do Marvin then im all for it.

Reggie

February 15th, 2011
1:56 am

I meant include Marvin instead of Jamal

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

February 15th, 2011
3:11 am

Hmmm. Seems like an ultimatum was given to Bibby. Good game, he responded well, but he better deliver in Manhattan.

JoJo the Godfather

February 15th, 2011
5:30 am

Anyone else notice Mo Evans glued to the bench?

leo

February 15th, 2011
5:42 am

I am glad we got a much needed win, but still not impressed. Want to impress me go 5-2 over the next 7. If want to really impress me trade somebody for a point guard so I can feel like we have a chance to get out of the second round of the playoffs.

Ramon Sessions, Andre Miller, Sebastian Telfair is better than what we have.

Ray

February 15th, 2011
6:09 am

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6jfgd3g

Just for a tad bit of fun probably won’t happen though.

If it did though be one of the best trades this team ever thought about lol.

Tremaine

February 15th, 2011
7:17 am

Last night only proved why the hawks should go out and try and get a point guard. “GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE!”

O'Brien

February 15th, 2011
7:20 am

After being down 15, this was a good comeback for the Hawks.

Bibby had his best game in 2 years, Josh played well after the first quarter, and Marvin played well off the bench. Even if we dont go to the big lineup, I think Hawks have the option of starting somebody else at SF, and bring Marvin off the bench. IMO, he is more likely to contribute more that way.

And its not about who starts. It’s about who finishes.

Meanwhile, Jamal is struggling. In 6 February games, he had 1 great game of 34 points against the Clippers. In the other 5 games this month, he is averaging 6 pts and 4 assists.

We need him to get back on track, especially with this road trip. Marvin coming off the bench will definitely help our bench unit.

Bertie

February 15th, 2011
7:46 am

Like Marvin coming off the bench. He gets lost with the starting 5 and will have more touches with 2nd unit against “weaker” defenders.

Worldwide Clyde

February 15th, 2011
8:03 am

oldtimer

February 15th, 2011
8:15 am

It is time to move Zaza to end of the bench. That was not a good display last night, and LD noticed. Let’s keep the same starting rotation, and bring Marvin off the bench with sprinkling of Damien.

silmjr

February 15th, 2011
8:40 am

Send ZaZa to the D league for help to reinvent his sorry lame azz game. What a STIFF……

Ray

February 15th, 2011
8:47 am

Honestly it’s been time to trade away Zaza I think he’s a good player just not in this offense I think Woodson’s suited him better that’s when he was doing great this one seems to expose everyone of weaknesses.

I don’t care how we do it but Jamal Crawford, Mo Evans, Zaza, Thomas, Bibby and Powell need to be dealt away.

Retain everyone else even Marvin I think the bench role will spark the fire under him.

terrell

February 15th, 2011
9:03 am

Jamal knows the trade deadline is right around the corner. Probably a little nervous?

Sautee

February 15th, 2011
9:03 am

Hilarious that since the Hawks WON, it’s a nearly empty room. If they had lost there would be dozens of fake fans with fake handles moaning and wailing and calling for firings and trades.

I guess that’s sad comment on society.

terrell

February 15th, 2011
9:08 am

Zaza, Mo, and Powell need to go. Possibly Jamal too. But we might need his scoring in the Playoffs. But the other 3 need be gone yestersay.

Worldwide Clyde

February 15th, 2011
9:08 am

Sautee I’m still here.

Fire Sund

terrell

February 15th, 2011
9:08 am

“need to be gone yesterday”

julius

February 15th, 2011
9:08 am

trade bibby, williams, zaz, mo evans, and get a good pg and a decent center that can play D

Worldwide Clyde

February 15th, 2011
9:09 am

We need to get Sean Williams for our title run.

Big Daddy

February 15th, 2011
9:10 am

This is a much needed win. The guys played well, overcame some adversity and pulled out a win in the fashion a team with their record should over a team with Detroit’s record. Good win guys.

However, what has been going on as late only points out the potential for real disaster. What happens if Bibby goes down. Does Teague get to start then. I know the LD does like to start Jamal, but have him come off the bench and he is not a point guard in the first place. Does Jordan Crawford, who has not played at all come in. Does LD move JJ over to the 1 spot and have Mo at the two. We have a situation now where the coach is not happy with anyone we have at back up.

Worldwide Clyde

February 15th, 2011
9:11 am

Owners complaining about fans not showing up. Maybe if you put a team together that can win a championship more fans would show up.

steve brown

February 15th, 2011
9:13 am

There is something rotten in Atlanta. Josh Smith plays at home and is a petulant child, last night in Detroit he was a man. What gives?

Worldwide Clyde

February 15th, 2011
9:19 am

Players that are robbing the bank:

Mo Williams – 2.5 Million to come off the bench and run up and down the floor
Zaza – 4 Million to come off the bench to set illegal screens and throw up weak layups
Bibby – 5 Million to jack up threes and give people a direct line to the basket
Etan Thomas – 850,000 to dress up in a suit

Reggie

February 15th, 2011
9:30 am

People who make 8 dollars an hour and are very jealous of professional players salaries—Worldwide Clyde…….. Get over it dude, yea those guys are sorry but leave the money part out and by the way who is Mo Williams on the bench making 2.5 million?

CONservative Johnson

February 15th, 2011
9:30 am

Josh still snubbed, still the best on his team . . .

Mr Mojo

February 15th, 2011
9:32 am

Marvin, Crawford and a 1st rd pick for a Melo Rental. Get in done Sund. That offer trumps any Knick offer by far.

JeJe

February 15th, 2011
9:42 am

Players that are robbing the bank:

Joe Johnson. Making 16 million this year to play iso-Joe

HoosierHawk

February 15th, 2011
9:46 am

We won this game, but not by going with the game plan. Everyone kept talking about how we needed to stop with so many jump shots. Well we didn’t, but somehow Josh Smith was dropping them. I don’t think I will be counting on those to fall in other games.

JeJe

February 15th, 2011
9:46 am

Front office robbing the bank:

RIck Sund for being on vacation and doing nothing besides resigning Damien every 10 days and for the season

KevinM

February 15th, 2011
9:47 am

Glad to be here even after a win….I have no problem giving the Hawks their just due….we just know that this is not the norm, this is the outlier for this team. Take into account who we played….were you really impressed with Kuester’s rotations last night? That guy is dragging that team down quickly. He is in over his head. All season long he has had issues. He quit on his team last night.
The Hawks and Bibby did what they wanted. But we aren’t playing Bynum and Stuckey every night.
The Hawks should beat these guys every night. That team is not together and there are lots of reasons why they are 20-38. Dumars does not have the answers.
For the Hawks to have been together for so long, they should show some decent consistency. The bad part about last night is that with Josh making those long jumpers, he is going to keep taking them. Its a shame he can’t just settle for those 15-17 footers.

Wabe

February 15th, 2011
9:48 am

MC: “Zaza is out of sorts. His worst moment was catching the ball in the paint alone near the rim and fading away from it to miss a bank shot. It’s getting to the point where sometimes it almost seems as if he would rather be fouled than have to finish at the basket.”

I would argue that it doesn’t “almost seem” Zaza attempts to just draw contact, I’d say that’s the case everytime. He doesn’t even attempt to finish. Everytime he usually catches the ball in the post (if he even catches it), he usually throws his hands up in the air with the ball rolling into the stands or around the court somewhere. Funny thing is, he doesn’t even really jump, and if he does, he gets like 6 inches off the ground. It’s become so routine to see that it’s obvious he has no intention to really ever finish, just try to draw the foul.

I’d argue the same goes for Marvin Williams too. Marvin usually stumbles and fumbles his way around the rim. I wouldn’t say he’s as bad as Zaza, because he can finish at times. But, more times than not, it seems the second he hears the whistle, he’s satisified with what he’s done in getting fouled.

JeJe

February 15th, 2011
9:49 am

If Marvin can score off bench, we don’t really need Jamal.

Get a center and point guard already

HoosierHawk

February 15th, 2011
9:49 am

@ Ray

Your trade involves essentially trading Mike Bibby and Zaza for Steph Curry and Biedrins. HAHAHAHA . Why don’t we trade Pape Sy for Kobe?

JeJe

February 15th, 2011
9:50 am

I was watching Marvin’s show in its entirely finally yesterday. LOL dude doesn’t enjoy playing basketball video games and said he began playing basketball because he was forced to because of height

He also said gamewinner for UNC in championship was entirely because of luck.

LOL when Verrett asks Duck if he played bball video games and he said no, Verrett had this look on his face like “is this guy serious?”

I know this is old and many have seen the show, but I’m sure some haven’t

FIRE SUND

Wabe

February 15th, 2011
9:55 am

As far as last nights game goes, I take it for what it was. A win on the road against a bad team that still doesn’t take away from the fact that we got beatdown by Philly at home and then blew a 22-point lead against the Bobcats.

I think MC put it best when saying that this win doesn’t really answer any questions about the Hawks status in the East. But I’d say that we know the Hawks status in the East, which is why so many here and so many Hawks fans are disgruntled. This team is a 4-6 seed that doesn’t really stand much of a chance to knock off any of the top 3 seeds in a 7 game series, at least not as currently constructed. I don’t care how many wins they end up with, makes no difference, because winning more games doesn’t convince anybody they’re ready to take on the tops in the East and knock them off through the course of 7 games – which is why I find it difficult to stay interested.

We watch, but not anywhere near as interested as I was last season. Last season, with the addition of Crawford, there were expectations. After witnessing what we did in the playoffs, and watching the same ol’ trends again this season with the personnel, 4th quarter lulls, defensive breakdowns, lack of ball movement, why should anybody expect any different in this season’s playoffs?

Wabe

February 15th, 2011
9:57 am

Hawks fans have been screaming about the same issues for how many consecutive seasons now?

And there’s yet to be anything done to address it.

People sit here and offer their trade scenarios, but nothings gonna happen.

Same ish, different season.

Kerry

February 15th, 2011
10:01 am

Hawks played an impressive game against detroit, If they can just continue to play consistent like that on the road they will be alright,I’m still a little upset about charlotte!

O'Brien

February 15th, 2011
10:09 am

Last season, ZaZa averaged 4 pts and 4 rebs in 14 mpg under Woody.

This season, he is averaging 4 pts and 4 rebs in 14 mpg under LD.

I dont think his play has anything to do with “the system”. Ever since he signed his contract, he has been on the decline.

The worst part about ZaZa is after this year, he still has 2 years and $10 mil left on his deal. Thanks Rick.

And yet the ASG wanted to pay Shaq the vet minimum of $1.3 mil.

tyger

February 15th, 2011
10:28 am

Teague…hilarious!!!

In a 20 second span, Teague puts on a dribbling exhibition just past halfcourt, Will Bynum rips him and scores. Teague inbounds and drives hard to the basket, gets stuck, and gets his shot blocked, leading to a fast break the other way.

Next possession, Jamal Crawford takes ball away from him before he breaks it.

In 20 seconds, 2 TO – gave up 1 steal, 1 block shot, 1 FG – the kid is a walking disaster.

darrell starks

February 15th, 2011
10:34 am

Good win last night, BIBBY best game so far this year, bibby game is much better when he penetrate and score or cause a foul and dish of 2 the open shooter.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

February 15th, 2011
10:38 am

Bibby have 2 penetrate and create easy basket for his teammate, in order for him 2 be effective on the court like he use 2 do back in the days for the KINGS.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!