Bobcats 88, Hawks 86

Greetings, all-

A troubling game for the Hawks in that a) it followed the one game in which you’d think they’d do everything in their grasp to make sure they got a win; b) it certainly looked like a lot of other games this season.

Up by 22 in the first half, up by 18 midway through the third quarter and the Hawks give it away.

Said Josh Smith, “Words can’t describe it.”

Larry Drew: “The shot at the end, it should never have come down to that.”

- One of the most glaring numbers was this – 26 points in the paint in the first half, eight in the second. They pretty much abandoned their offense in the second half.

Said Drew, “We settled for a ton of jump shots.”

More Drew: “We start playing fast, we start going for home runs and then we start settling. That’s what happened in the second half.”

- One of the most crucial segments of the game was the end of the first half, after the Hawks got up 22. They were playing tough, tough defense, making the Bobcats take difficult shots and use the shot clock. Over the final 2:26, the Bobcats made 4-of-4 shots with two free throws to close to a much more manageable 13 points at the half. Granted, I wouldn’t expect the Hawks to hold Charlotte to two points for the entire quarter – which is what they’d scored up until that point and frankly is incredible – but if they had even been able to just trade baskets, they probably would have won.

I tallied it up, and it’s in the game story. After Smith hit a 3-pointer early in the third that got the lead to 70-52, the Hawks took 17 more shots from 17 feet or more the rest of the game, and made one. Plenty of other ones from in close weren’t great looks, either.

I’ll concede this much: Bibby had made three 3-pointers in a row, and so I’m sure he felt like he was in a good rhythm, so I don’t know how much I can fault him for continuing to shoot. And players like Joe Johnson or Jamal Crawford are guys who can get hot and make a living on the perimeter.

And it’s not like, as they were chucking up jumpers they knew they were going to end up 1-for-their-last-17 from the perimeter. When I talked to Jeff Van Gundy for the story that ran Saturday, he argued a point about the Hawks’ shot selection issues basically by saying, people say shot selection is bad when the shots don’t go in. I see his point. Johnson, Crawford, Bibby and even Smith are fully capable of making 3-pointers and jump shots, and it would have surprised no one if, rather than continue to flail away, one or more of them had caught fire in the fourth quarter and turned the game around.

Still, the indulgence on jump shots was ultimately punitive and, perhaps more to the point, was not what their coach was telling them to do.

Said Drew, “We ended up shooting more 3’s than we did getting to the free-throw line, and you just can’t do that.”

- Hawks have been outscored in the fourth quarter eight times in the last 11 games.

- The Hawks actually played decent defense, I thought. Charlotte shot 42.3 percent, below the Bobcats’ season average, and scored 20 points (on 6-of-16 shooting) in the fourth quarter. I think you’d win most nights with those numbers.

To me, I thought the effort was there for most of the game at that end of the floor.

- Johnson and Crawford were a combined 5-for-23 for 13 points, 0-for-9 from 3-point range. That followed the Philly game in which they were a combined 6-for-16 and had 12 points.

Drew: “At this point, we’re trying to get them the same shots that we’ve gotten them all season long. Right now, the ball has not been falling for them but they can’t stop doing what they do best and I’m going to hound both of those guys as we go out on the road now for them to re-gain their stroke, re-gain their confidence, re-gain their attack mentality.”

- Shaun Livingston took a healthy bite out of the Hawks. Drew said he tried to hide Bibby by mixing up some zones, but it didn’t really matter. He kind of did what he wanted no matter what the Hawks did, finishing with 22 points off the bench.

- Horford on his back (he played team-high 42 minutes): I felt O.K. I can’t say I’m all the way (back). I don’t have lift yet, but besides that, I felt good enough to be out there playing.”

- I’m not ready to declare the sky is falling. The season is way too long for that. This has obviously been a bit of an ugly patch. The Hawks, though, may re-gain their footing on the West Coast. Drew certainly hopes so. “It is a great time to go out on the road,” he said. They’re good enough to have won five games in a row three different times and 33 games total this season, so it’s not like this team can’t win, or shouldn’t continue to win its share.

But it’s, as I said, troubling that Drew can identify the problem but, when the game’s crucial moments arrive, either a) he can’t effectively communicate it; b) his players can’t do what he wants; or c) his players won’t do what he wants.

Drew said after the game that patience and shot selection are things he’s “been harping on since day one. When we don’t get what we want a few trips down the floor, we have to slow it down and we have to get the shot we want. Certainly at that point it’s not taking another three. Our guys, they have not grasped that concept yet.”

Ken Sugiura, Hawks beat

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Geoff

February 13th, 2011
1:34 am

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

February 13th, 2011
1:46 am

no buzz at all for the hawks in the league or the home town and now you can see why. We inexplicably get away from what gets us the big leads and settle for iso play and jumpers. Coach talks a good game but in the end still rolls with Mo and Bibby and Jamal in crunch time defensively – Front office is either mum or just standing pat and not making deals to improve the team’s chance of improving.

@DanWeiner

February 13th, 2011
1:47 am

Time to blow it up and rebuild.

Section 303

February 13th, 2011
1:51 am

Geez…I knew this would happen. I wrote a long post on tonight’s Town Hall Season Ticket meeting with Michael Gearon. Here it is, if you are interested.

Section 303

February 13th, 2011
1:40 am
Najeh, here I am.

I came home from the game and really wanted nothing to do with anything Hawk related. This team is a disaster.

Anyways…the season ticket meeting with Michael Gerron…

I have to admit this. I left the meeting kind of liking the guy. He seems like a good dude. He was kind of straight with us about things, but not as straight as Billy Knight used to be when he hosted these meetings.

Here are some highlights:

1. Gerron said that the Hawks are always looking into trades (he said this multiple times). As of right now, there is nothing that makes sense. He cautioned that so many teams in the past have made trades and gotten worse. He cited Orlando this year, whose record is either about the same or worse since their big trade. Also, Philly, back in ‘08, was seen as a team on the rise. Then they trade away Miller and Dalembert. Caused them to vanish from the scene (until last Tuesday, anyway).

2. He defended the ASG on the notion that they are cheap. The Hawks have the 7th highest payroll in the NBA (said this several times). He pointed out all the money they sank into Joe, Josh, and Al. He said the payroll grew with the team, which is what they planned all along.

3. Someone asked about a trade for a guard who could defend better. Gerron agreed that this was a weak area. But, again, said that they have not had a deal come their way that makes sense.

4. He praised Rick Sund for being patient and tight lipped. Pointed out that Rick Sund has made some good moves. Namely, getting Jamal Crawford for parts off the scrap heep (my words, not his). I still don’t like Rick Sund.

5. He said that he is frustrated that the city does not turn out to support the team at many games. Someone asked about the blowout losses at home. Gerron said that he truely feels part of the blame is lack of support. “We sometimes do not get the home court lift”. Hard to argue with that. He said that as a native of Atlanta he has seen all the teams struggle with attendance.

7. Also, he mentioned that Josh Childress simply did not want to play here anymore. He said that Josh saw himself as a starter. And, also mentioned that Josh hardly ever plays for the Suns now. I took that as a “told you so” comment towards Chills.

8. Said he likes the lineup with Twin starting.

If I remember anything else, I will post it. I really want the team to make some kind of trade. I understand the caution Gerron talked about. But, some teams have bettered themselves with deadline moves. They are not always failures.

Really, to me, I am going to lose a lot of faith if something is not done. I do not think there is a person who follows this team that does not think some type of change is in order.

One more thing…I see I did not write my #6 highlight. I thought it, but didn’t write it. Here it is…

6. Someone really ripped Bibby. The fan told Gearon that Bibby was “worthless” if he was not hitting his outside shot. And, that Bibby was a defensive disaster. Gerron told the guy he was being a little too hard on Bibby. That Bibby is a leader on the court/in the locker room. And, while he agrees that Bibby is not a “lock down defender”, he can still guard people.

What was funny about this was that Bibby was just out on the practice court before Gearon started. The court was split in half with a curtain. Bibby was on the other side shooting around. Would have been interesting had he been within earshot for the guy’s blasting.

Also…I never asked a question. Was not feeling it. And, besides, all my questions would have been about potential trades (like, are they going to make one). Gearon had already said, several times, that they have not seen a deal that works for them.

And, I realize I spelled Gearon wrong in my first post. It’s late and I am tired of being a Hawks fan at the moment. This lose was tough to take. I wish there was a pill I could take that would make me not care about this team.

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Worldwide Clyde

February 13th, 2011
1:52 am

I’m glad I turned that free ticket down and stayed my tail at home tonight.

Section 303

February 13th, 2011
1:56 am

Reading Ken’s blog made me remember something else Michael Gearon said (and said more than once)….The Hawks, going into tonight, were 28-3 in games they led going into the 4th quarter. He pointed out that this was a major sign of growth. How ironic that tonight, after he said that, the Hawks blow a 4th quarter lead. A clear sign of a team in need of a shake up.

K.W.

February 13th, 2011
2:03 am

Once again The Hawks Are Who We Thought They Were.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

February 13th, 2011
2:12 am

Thanks for the post Section 303 – Gearon is not up for risking bring in a legit point guard or center and taking a step backward – it may get some backsides in the seats. I got love for Bibby but his time as our starter has come and gone its time for a definite upgrade.

Air Humar

February 13th, 2011
2:30 am

Unfortunately, Section 303 hit the nail on the head when it comes to how I feel about the Hawks. I wish I didn’t care about them, and that is really sad. It is not the players faults. ASG and Rick Sund have gotten lucky enough to have a team that can make the second round of the playoffs every year, but will never and can never make the right decisions to seriously challenge for a title. The Hawks are in the worst place a professional sports franchise can be, stuck. Not bad enough to have hope for a high lottery pick to rebuild and not good enough to have realistic title aspirations. There is no hope. Look no further than the comment from Gearon about the lineup with Jason Collins (who I refuse to call Twin because I do not believe players that wouldn’t sniff the rotation let alone the starting lineup of a true contender deserve a nickname) to see either the utter delusion or insult to the fans’ intelligence by management. Either way, the paying fans, the city of Atlanta, and the legitimate talents on this team deserve better.

Miles D

February 13th, 2011
2:31 am

Now what my fear is! Is that we might’ve waited too long to make a move and noone is gonna want to come here when we atleast HAD some positive momentum going. But now we must DEFINITLEY blow-up this thing! My only prayer is that we just keep Al Horford! EVERYbody else is fair game! LET’S GO HAWKS!

mykhalc

February 13th, 2011
2:32 am

to sum it up…the Hawks are a NON-TEAM…PERIOD!!! they are made up of a bunch of non-leaders…selfish…and low BB IQ!!! it’s the same $.hit every game!!! Al demand a trade…NOW!!!!

Alsandair Barnes

February 13th, 2011
2:34 am

I said it last year & all this year.Joe Johnson sucks,I’m i the only one that see’s it.Joe makes Kobe & Lebron $ & he’s not close to a player like them.He’s a # 2 player,but we pay him # 1 player money !!! Trade this man for peanuts if your can,just get him off our books.How would u feel- if the star player sucks(the money man) & u had to be the player to carry the team.Cheated-When its time to play a ok or good team,Joe always let down.Dumbiest GM in the Game.Joe Johnson id Garbage!!!!!!

mykhalc

February 13th, 2011
2:36 am

Joe got Batman money for an Alfred attitude…SMH!!! this team has been together waaaayyyyy toooo long now!!!blow this team up…NOW!!!! PLEASE!!!!

Air Humar

February 13th, 2011
2:44 am

we should trade the whole team but joe and al for melo and nene. even if melo leaves and doesn’t sign an extension, we would be in much better position to contend for a title and not waste Al Horford’s career. if melo leaves, we suck next year and get a high draft pick to add a cheap, good young point guard of small forward then have the money to enter the cp3/d-will/dwight sweepstakes the following year to add to the joe/al/nene core. we can all agree this team isn’t going to win a championship unless we blow it up. I would be more than willing to watch a team have a bad year if it is an obvious part of a plan. joe makes too much $$$ to get rid of and would be a great #2 and Al is everything you could want in an NBA player. with competant GM, this franchise would be a winner for the next 10 years

hawks_4_life

February 13th, 2011
2:45 am

Alsandair Barnes

February 13th, 2011
2:50 am

Joe Johnson Sucks !!!!

Alsandair Barnes

February 13th, 2011
2:53 am

Keep Al Horford & Josh Smith.Anyone else can go.I’m ready for the Braves & Falcons season to come back,because the little hawks are joke !!!!!!

mykhalc

February 13th, 2011
3:00 am

nah…Josh needs to go too!! he’s part of the stagnation!!! Al needs to go too!!! but only ’cause he DESERVES better!!! find some damn leaders and get rid of these ‘excuses’ that take the court every nite…PERIOD!!!

Miles D

February 13th, 2011
3:01 am

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO!! SEND JC1 TO PHX FOR NASH, JOSH AND MARV TO HOU FOR SCOLA, BATTIER, AND MILLER, AND THEN ZA TO POR FOR ODEN!

mykhalc

February 13th, 2011
3:02 am

new name… the Atlanta Excuses!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2011
3:28 am

“When I talked to Jeff Van Gundy for the story that ran Saturday, he argued a point about the Hawks’ shot selection issues basically by saying, people say shot selection is bad when the shots don’t go in. I see his point. Johnson, Crawford, Bibby and even Smith are fully capable of making 3-pointers and jump shots, and it would have surprised no one if, rather than continue to flail away, one or more of them had caught fire in the fourth quarter and turned the game around.”

That’s not the point, though. The problem is not shooting 3’s; it’s shooting 3’s out of rhythm and outside of the normal flow of the offense. The whole reason the Hawks’ offense functions better when they get the ball in the post is that when they do, even if the possession results in an outside shot it is almost always an in-rhythm, wide open shot. When the Hawks ignore the post and just pass it around on the perimeter to each other, they invariably end up with a contested and/or out-of-rhythm shot.

In other words, they can shoot all the 3’s they want if the 3’s they shoot are open, in-rhythm shots. That’s not what they did today in the second half, and that’s not what they do when they go through their cold spells and blow leads. These cold spells are not just some random fluke occurrence; they are a direct result of whether or not the ball goes into the post. It’s a lot easier to “catch fire” when you are getting open shots within the flow of the offense.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2011
3:34 am

Section 303, good stuff. Good to know what Gearon is thinking. Unfortunately, what he’s thinking seems to be the same excuse-making nonsense we have come to expect from this franchise. Bibby is not a bad defender, the GM made one good move in three years so he’s doing a good job, and blaming the fans for not showing up to see this also-ran team.

I wish you had followed up his comment on team salary and asked him why they choose to spend their money so unwisely. I don’t think those of us who follow the team closely are as disappointed with the willingness to spend (which obviously is there at least to an extent) as we are with the ongoing tendency to overpay for mediocrity. Really, other than Smoove, Al, Damien, and the players on their rookie scale deals, every player on this team is overpaid compared to other players in the league that provide similar production.

Also, you should have told him to read this blog more often.

Big Daddy

February 13th, 2011
3:44 am

Where do some of you get these trade ideas. If we actually think these guys are worthless, what makes you think the other teams are not going to think the same thing. In that vein, why would they trade any quality player to us for someone we think is worthless or not a good quality player. There is no incentive. What we have that anyone would want is something that would cripple us if the trade was made.

I have said over and over again, despite some of his ill advised shot selections and his bickering with the refs, Josh is our most consistent player and the one we can generally count on to, at least once in a game, make a play that gets the crowd going. Both he and Al and JC1’s expiring contract are the only thing we really have to trade. More than likely, that is not going to happen during this season, so be prepared for it. This is what Gearon was saying about a trade that makes sense.

As for tonight, the guard play was what killed us. It was as follows: Joe Johnson; 4-14 FG, 3-3 FT, 0-5 3 PT’s for 11 PTS, Mike Bibby; 4-10 FG, 0-0 FT, 3-8 3PT’s for 2 PTS and Jamaal Crawford; 1-9 FG, 0-0 FT’s, 0-4 3PT’s for 2 PTs and they all played over 20 minutes. All the while, Stephen Jackson lit us up for 12-24 FG, 7-8 FT’s and 1-6 3PT’s for 32 PTS. THIS was what killed us. The guards have got to play better both offensively and defensively. And as for the shot selection, if we had a penetrating guard who could dish the ball it could have change the whole game around. Everybody is a jump shooter.

All of us feel the frustration and we all understand that some change has to be made. They got rid of Woody because the feeling was the players weren’t listening to him. Now we are midway through the season and his replacement is facing the same problem. Is it the coach, the players or a combination of both?

Change has got to be made, but not just for trade sake. It has to make sense and it has to be something that shows immediate results. I do not have any illusions about this road trip. It is going to be brutal and they stand a good chance of going down to wild card level if they don’t win or do close to .500 on this trip.

A couple of people have said they wish they didn’t care and it wouldn’t upset them so much. Well, I will never wish I didn’t care about them. They are a decent group of guys. We don’t see headlines with one or some of them getting arrested or failing drug tests like you do with some of the other teams and I will always hold out that hope that everyone will do their job. I am not ready to panic but I do have the opinion that we can’t keep on this way. GO HAWKS!!!

D

February 13th, 2011
4:00 am

i agree we are just above being mediocre…its time to make some changes…keep horford do whatever with everybody else

NCBravesFan

February 13th, 2011
5:30 am

From Section 303’s comments above: that’s really amazing that the Hawks have the 7th highest payroll in the League and yet have a pathetic bench beyond Jamal and a PG who clearly should not be starting any longer. From drafting to roster construction to resource (salary) allocation: organizational FAIL.

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Ron E.

February 13th, 2011
6:39 am

Hey, Larry Drew, if the players on the court aren’t doing what you want, yank them and put in Jeff Teague or Jordan Crawford. You know, the supposed futures of the franchise.

The Black Baron

February 13th, 2011
6:54 am

Amongst all of the talk about lineup changes, I don’t understand why Marvin always seems to get the short end of the stick and become the scapegoat for why the Hawks aren’t elite yet. Why does Marvin always get the criticism? Why is he always the first guy to get benched when things aren’t going well? Seriously, Marvin is not the guy hogging the ball and taking too many shots, he’s not the guy constantly dribbling out the shot clock and bricking jumpers at the end of the clock, he’s not the guy launching long two and three point shots with a guy in his face and air-balling them, he’s not the guy trying to be a hero and play PG/SG/SF/PF and pouting when things don’t go his way, he’s not the guy who is incapable of guarding his man and who is constantly attacked by opposing teams’ offense, Marvin isn’t any of those things. Marvin just goes out and does what he’s told to do. He’s not overly emotional, he’s not immature, he doesn’t take silly shots or make bad decisions, and he doesn’t fight with his coach or cause chaos in the locker room.

Why do you so many of you hate this guy? You would think that someone who is going to go out on the court each night and be happy doing whatever the coach asks him to do out there, even if it means getting less than 5 field goal attempts that night, would be someone that you’d want to have on your team. Instead Marvin is the guy who takes unwarranted criticism night-in and night-out without even knowing why and without even deserving that criticism.

I understand that Marvin is not the superstar that some people thought he would be when he was drafted #2 overall, but it’s not like he’s just some bum who has a negative impact on his team and gives no effort at all. It’s not like it was Marvin’s fault that he was chosen second, overall, in the draft back in 2005. Marvin may not be the most competitive guy on the team, but he still plays his role well. He is quietly one of the best perimeter defenders at his position and is one of only four players on our roster who are complete players, meaning they are effective on both ends of the floor. Marvin may not score a lot of points, or be anything close to impressive in any statistical area, but he couldn’t have a smaller role on the team as a starter than he already does. It’s not like Marvin gets to take 15-20 shots a night like Joe or Josh. I’m sure if Marvin had as many attempts as either of those guys, he’d probably be about a 15 ppg scorer like he was a couple of seasons ago. Just like Al Horford could easily lead this team in scoring if he had as many field goal attempts as our volume scorer, Joe Johnson. Opportunity can easily lead to increased production.

I truly believe that Marvin could be an impact player if he had a larger role on the team, but since he isn’t asked to do much on this team, he just does the little things that coach Drew asks him to do, and he does them without complaining. I don’t see any reason to criticize him for that.

What do you people want from him? Do you want him to go out and score 20 points each night? Take some shots away from Joe, Jamal, and overconfident Josh and see what Marvin is capable of. Do you want him to be a defensive specialist? He already does a solid job on the perimeter when defending and occasionally does alright defending the smaller power forwards in the post. Honestly, what do you want from Marvin? He’s not a point guard, he’s not going to get you 8-10 assists a night, in fact, he almost never even gets to touch the ball, so how is he supposed to score or assist with the usage rate he has. As far as rebounding, he does an okay job at that considering his minutes played and the fact that he plays a wing position. I really don’t know what you people want from this guy. Given his tiny role on the team, I think he gives you basically what he should right now. He defends is his position well, makes good decisions most of the time, doesn’t force many shots, and when his number is called, he just does what he is asked to do, whether it is to knock down an open shot, post-up, or try to shut down an opposing team’s player. If Drew gives him a larger role, maybe he will produce more, or not produce, but until he is given that opportunity, lay off of the guy.

If anyone should be criticized for the team’s lack of success, it should be management for giving the team a lack of capable personnel on the perimeter. (mainly, a capable point guard) After that, you can blame Drew for using the same fourth quarter lineups over and over when they constantly get burned on the defensive end with dribble penetration. Next, you can blame Bibby for being incapable of defending quick guards, and L.D. for asking him to do so. Then, you can blame Jamal for being incredibly one-dimensional and a huge liability when his shots are not falling. After that, you can shift your blame toward Joe Johnson for constantly thinking that he is the center of the team’s offense and thinking that every play must go through him and insisting that he must take the majority of the team’s shots, even when he has nothing going for him. Later, you can blame Josh Smith for never learning to play within his boundaries even after seven years in the league. Eventually, you can blame Marvin, but there are a lot of guys in line before him when it comes to throwing out blames for why the team is struggling.

Tremaine

February 13th, 2011
6:56 am

Section 303 great post.

NCBravesFan

February 13th, 2011
7:11 am

Black Baron: my thought on Marvin is that he would probably be a lot better off if he were traded – he will always be the guy who was drafted #2 ahead of CP here.

Steve C.

February 13th, 2011
7:17 am

the Hawks are a bunch of mental midgets…

Nahila

February 13th, 2011
7:52 am

Sorry Coach but this loss and many others this season is on you. If you cannot control your player and they refuse to buy in to your coaching and game advice, then you should resign before you are fired. The Hawks allow too many runs against average teams and always seem to fade in the 4 th quarter, why? You play the starters too long in the first 3 quarters so they have no stamina left in the 4 th quarter. Either play your subs more or improve the conditioning of your starters as it is clear that they are tired and have no legs or ability to take your coaching advice so they resort to shooting three’s to try to catch up when they allow those scoring runs.

slimjr

February 13th, 2011
7:58 am

LD, I am starting to believe your team is getting away from you..Its almost like they ignoring you down the stretch…I know you are not coaching their poor execution for 6 straight 4th quarter meltdowns downs now?? But you have got to admit their seems to be a disconnect between you and the players..That’s why you never hire the assistant of the HC that got fired..It usually backfires….

Spit that out…………..

RomeDawg

February 13th, 2011
7:58 am

BLOW THEM UP! BLOW THEM UP! BLOW THEM UP!

This is a team meant to be a 6 seed in the conference and exit stage left in Round 1.

1. Bibby is old and is NEVER gonna be a starting PG for a legit contending team.
2. JJ is good, but not great. I always thought he was more of a Robin than a Batman
3. Marvin….at this point I hate to say it but he’s closing in on “bust” status.
4. Josh Smith is the ultimate enigma. Could be dominate but will NEVER be consistent.
5. Horford could be a great PF but plays with the passion to be good at center. I wish we drew up more plays for him.

I sure wish we would have made a run at Al Jefferson last year and can we finally just admit the “Teague” experiment is over.

Also, notice that Larry Drew said he has been harping on patience and shot selection but the guys “haven’t grasped that concept yet”. Here’s a piece of advice from a guy who has a lot more than 12 guys to account for, take away something precious of theirs (playing time) until they grasp your concept. Accountability can lead to results.

RomeDawg

February 13th, 2011
8:02 am

slimjr,

Do you know if hiring the assistant to the fired head coach has ever worked? It may have, I just don’t recall. I think we all knew this guy was just the cheapest option for owners who care more about $ than wins.

I never thought it made since to give JJ all that cash and spend so little for a HC. Kinda like giving a Ferrari to a 10 year old.

South Ga. Boy in the Atl

February 13th, 2011
8:03 am

Can we just state the obvious. The Hawks are not very smart. Shot selection is usually poor, don’t value each possession, take too many chances with the “spectacular pass” instead of the sure pass. And they don’t have a real leader. Joe is a follower. Al only leads by example, which is good, but every successful team must have an “in your face” leader. And Smoove, bless his heart, is the dumbest of all. He has no concept of “time and place.” He’s like a nerve ending just roaming around on the court with a basketball IQ of about 50. This team is so rudderless.

slimjr

February 13th, 2011
8:09 am

“it was a terrible pick” Marvin William has been a starter when this team got drilled in the playoffs twice! Vince Carter lit him up last year! We have not had an elite pg since Mookie retired over 10 years ago. BK took Marvin over CP3 DWill and RFelton in the 05 draft.Marvin is a bust as a #2 lottery pick, a bust!!! BTW we still have pg issue 6 years later……………WTF……………………

Trojan

February 13th, 2011
8:12 am

I am losing confidence in Larry Drew very fast. He is taking this team in a direction that will not make them succeed. No team can win in the NBA playoffs without defense and good guard play. The hawks are a bunch of jump shooters who play no defense. LD acts like John Wooden when describing Teagues weaknesses, yet he fails to mention that Bibby is the WORST starting PG in the NBA by far.

The Hawks have already peaked this year. And we have weak management that would say that the hawks really have no direction or future.

Shake Something

February 13th, 2011
8:13 am

O.J Mayo (at point) ,Omri Casspi, and Marc Gasol starting and put Smith and Marvin on the bench and we got a legit team with the possibility of obtaining those 3 with our picks..Might as well trade our picks seeing we don’t do nothing with them unless we get lucky and draft Al Horford..Cant even draft the best players with top 5 picks nor develop the late ones..

Trojan

February 13th, 2011
8:13 am

Marvin Williams was not our worse pick, Sheldon Williams was. Marvin is not our worst player, our worst player is Bibby and who ever is playing center other than Al.

Trojan

February 13th, 2011
8:15 am

Blow up the team, blow up the coaching staff, blow up the management.

The Hawks won’t have crap for attendance next year if there aren’t major changes.

slimjr

February 13th, 2011
8:21 am

Gearon= No trades due to lack of funds…
Hawks= Write off…
Mr. Stern= The fix is in. There will be no Championships in Atlanta ever………….

Man the Truth hurts……………

Shake Something

February 13th, 2011
8:21 am

slimjr

February 13th, 2011
8:27 am

the Marvin pick was the worst when you consider BK passed up on 2 allstars at the most critical position………..Tyrone Lue was the starter back then with speedy coming of the bench??? Are you kidding me…That’s D league stuff……….

BK also passed on the Rondo, Gay and Brando Roy for the slum lord Sheldon Williams!! Way to go Billy Knight!!! Your huge draft mistakes will cost this franchise for years to come……………………Decades……………

Trojan

February 13th, 2011
8:27 am

Guards such as Shaun Livingston (who was out of the NBA just a while ago) must be so excited to see the Hawks coming up on their schedule. They probably dream of playing against Jamal and Bibby.

By the way, great idea for LD to play Al 40+ minutes.

jfreak13713

February 13th, 2011
8:50 am

It’s the coach job to get the team back on track when they start playing outside their offense. To say THE PLAYERS were taking too many jumps shots is only half the truth. If that was the case and as a coach you know it then why not pull them out of the game to make a point? A good team with a less than average coach spells 48 wins and maybe second round playoff run?? Not bad but if the Hawks want fans to really believe in this team then they have to put a product on the floor worth believing in!

JoJo the Godfather

February 13th, 2011
9:00 am

ASG should really consider dumping some “upside down” investments. Bibby, Joe, Marvin & Pachulia are all being paid more than their production warrants, and only Bibby has a chance of his value going up (next year when he’s on the last yr or his deal). Dumping Joe, Marvin & Za Za for expiring contracts, draft picks, and young players should be the focus over the next 2 weeks.

Joe Johnson to Dallas for Caron Butler, Deshawn Stevenson, Dominique Jones (I think he could be a solid PG) & a 1st round pick.

Marvin Williams & a 2nd round pick to Cleveland for a trade exception, or Golden State for Vlad Rad.

Then go shopping with those expiring contracts, picks & young players.

Saint Richt

February 13th, 2011
9:10 am

What a garbage team…..really time to blow it up. This is as good as this group can get, which isn’t worth anything.

Really hate being a native Atlantan who likes sports……..really tough.

O'Brien

February 13th, 2011
9:11 am

Thanks for the writeup Ken. Do you think you might do that artcile about the Hawks 4th quarter scoring? In half of their losses, they have scored 19 points or less in the fourth quarter.

Drew said he tried to hide Bibby by mixing up some zones, but it didn’t really matter. .

Woody used the switch to hide Bibby. When will they realize that hiding Bibby will only take you so far?

But it’s, as I said, troubling that Drew can identify the problem but, when the game’s crucial moments arrive, either a) he can’t effectively communicate it; b) his players can’t do what he wants; or c) his players won’t do what he wants..

My question is, what is he doing about? All I hear from LD is talk talk talk. Stop talking, and do something to get the players attention.

Drew said after the game that patience and shot selection are things he’s “been harping on since day one. When we don’t get what we want a few trips down the floor, we have to slow it down and we have to get the shot we want. Certainly at that point it’s not taking another three. Our guys, they have not grasped that concept yet.”.

This is a veteran team that has been together for years. Why does it take so long to grasp that concept? And its probably the same thing Woody would tell them…

Trojan

February 13th, 2011
9:12 am

Ken/MC: Please write an article that illustrates the frustration of Hawks fans.