Hawks-Bobcats game thread
Greetings, all
Ken here for the last time in awhile as MC braces for the mother of all road trips.
1) You may find this interesting. On my way in to the arena, I was thinking to myself, If I were ever to feel good about wagering on a game (not that I wager), this would be it. Hawks have spent three days stewing over an embarrassing loss, playing at home where they’ve beaten Charlotte seven in a row, Al Horford back, Charlotte coming off a back to back, etc.
However, I confess I was not aware of what happened in Charlotte last night. The Bobcats lost at home to New Jersey, which had come into the game having lost 12 in a row on the road. Not only that, but Charlotte never led the whole game.
Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace excoriated their teammates for their lack of effort. Read these gems, excerpted from the Charlotte Observer game story (written by the very capable Rick Bonnell, who is sitting behind me in the media room):
“To not even show up at all is embarrassing,” said Jackson (21 points). “It’s sad that a coach has to ask guys to play hard…to care.”
“We acted like the other team was just going to fall down. There are only two or three teams in the league (good enough) that they can be like that. We’re not one of them.”
Or as Wallace (20 points and nine rebounds) added, “We just gave away a game in Indiana (Wednesday). We can’t keep doing that.
“We haven’t lost two (straight) games; we gave them away with our (lack of) effort. A coach should never have to ask for that.”
So, rather than being a gut-check game for one team, it’s a gut-check game for both. I still give the edge to the Hawks by basis of rest, being at home and the fact that they’re better, but this could be a bit more of a fight than you normally see in February.
2) This sort of feeds into 1), and is kind of amusing. I was in the locker room prior to the game, and it came to light that Wallace, from tiny Childersburg, Ala., bought 80 tickets for the game. Apparently even the mayor is coming. So Marvin Williams kiddingly wished Josh Smith good luck in defending a presumably extra-motivated Wallace. (Childersburg’s website claims it’s the “oldest city in America.” Not sure how that’s possible, but, hey, who am I to argue?
3) Nothing else new to report, really. Horford’s still going.
Enjoy the game.
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Sautee
February 12th, 2011
6:53 pm
#1 with Waffle Fries and a Coke.
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
6:54 pm
And yes, I stole that idea from Astro Joe.
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
6:57 pm
Too bad the ‘cats come in here hungry. I’d much rather that they had won big last night.
I usually don’t watch all of Hawks Live, but I’m curious about the lineup, so tonight I will.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
6:59 pm
I would never bet on the Hawks with two or more days of rest this year. They are 5-8 this year with two or more days of rest, in contrast with their 11-4 record on the back end of back to backs.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:01 pm
From the previous blog…
“I just hope that some of these same people don’t act like they were down for the Hawks from Day 1, if we do the improbable, and get to the ECF.”
The majority of fans of any team do exactly that. They jump on the bandwagon when the team is doing well and looks like they can win titles, and they jump off when the team doesn’t look like it has a shot to contend. The difference between the Hawks and other teams is that other teams have contended for so long that they have built up a bigger base of die hard fans than the Hawks have. You and I are die hard fans, but we are also distinctly in the minority.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:02 pm
And obviously by “other teams” I mean “other teams that draw well”.
Ken Sugiura
February 12th, 2011
7:06 pm
well done sautee. chick-fil-a waffle fries sound pretty good.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
7:08 pm
Sautee,
I dont expect the lineup change tonight. And I also said if there was no lineup change, then I expect to see a change in how minutes are distributed.
So I dont think he has to make a lineup change (and you’re right…he didnt promise a lineup change). He has the option of just changing minutes distribution.
Maybe he just reduces Bibby and Jamal’s minutes, maybe he increases Teague’s minutes, maybe Mo Evans and ZaZa get less minutes…lots of options.
lewis
February 12th, 2011
7:12 pm
empty
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:13 pm
The way Al is moving, he clearly does not look 100%.
Hawks defense looks sluggish early.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
7:14 pm
Its nice to see Josh working inside early, especially since he is playing SF
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:14 pm
Smoove playing well in the post early on offense.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
7:15 pm
Najeh,
We need Al healthy for our 7 game road trip too…
ATL FAN
February 12th, 2011
7:19 pm
poor crowd in attendance
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:19 pm
Credit to Bibby, he has actually played OK on defense so far. Augustin shredded the Hawks in their first two meetings this year, but he hasn’t done much so far.
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
7:21 pm
4 points for Collins. That’s like 12 points from Marvin.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:22 pm
No apparent difference in LD’s rotation so far. Jamal and Mo are the first two off the bench. A little surprising, I guess, to see Mo come in ahead of Marvin.
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
7:23 pm
Good thing the bobcats are playing like crap.
TrainWreck
February 12th, 2011
7:23 pm
yo, LD said he wont make any Lineup changes until Al comes back… dont you follow the Hawks??
lewis
February 12th, 2011
7:24 pm
that is stupid that mo gets in over marin you’ve gotta be kidding me
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:24 pm
How many times this year have the Hawks gotten into the penalty this early in a quarter? The way they refuse to draw fouls, this has to be some sort of record.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
7:24 pm
Najeh,
I dont expect much of a change from LD although this is the game to experiment.
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
7:24 pm
Maybe Marvin is in the “doghouse”.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:27 pm
Another good post move from Smoove, this time against Najera.
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
7:27 pm
sick move from Josh
ATL FAN
February 12th, 2011
7:27 pm
lol @ TrainWreck he is back
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
7:27 pm
And Mo is in first because he replaced JJ at SG. Marvin will replace Josh at SF when he comes in, but right now Josh is still in the game…
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
7:27 pm
Joe Johnson should be in the doghouse for scoring 6 points last game. FOLLOW YOUR SHOT JOE!
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
7:28 pm
Josh has the jumper going. Monster quarter from him so far both scoring and rebounding.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
7:28 pm
Ok. Disregard that post. JJ is still in the game…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:29 pm
Hawks are getting anything they want inside. Even Zaza is scoring down low.
ATL FAN
February 12th, 2011
7:29 pm
Mo replaced Al OBrien
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
7:29 pm
keyboardist with the GUY throwback joint..
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:30 pm
Nique points out that the Hawks should be up by more considering how bad the Bobcats have been shooting. Hasn’t that pretty much been the case all year? Seems like this is the story every time the Hawks play against a struggling opponent.
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
7:31 pm
Yeah bench. Let the back in the game.
And I hate when Smith ducks and run under the shooter. Stop doing that.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:31 pm
If I’m remembering right, the Bobcats went over the foul limit with 6 minutes left, and from that point on the Hawks have not been to the line even once.
ATL FAN
February 12th, 2011
7:32 pm
lmfao zaza
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:32 pm
I love that commercial with the voice over talking about the Hawks being “in the NBA’s elite”. I can just imagine Rick Sund coming up with the script for that commercial.
Ken Sugiura
February 12th, 2011
7:34 pm
i would agree with dominique. now up 3, and 2.
Flea
February 12th, 2011
7:34 pm
I was watching the Orlando Magic series last year and although Dwigiht killed us it was the perimeter players killing us. I.E. Redick, Lewis, Pietrus, and especially Carter. Wing players kill us and our overall TEAM defense is suspect. How about in the first round with Brandon Jennings and company shooting threes lighting it up. We need better personnel. Here is looking at you Marvin, Mo, Jamal.
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
7:36 pm
Maybe the lineup change is to not play Teague AT ALL.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:36 pm
The second unit is just clueless defensively.
Flea
February 12th, 2011
7:37 pm
Teague is a another Acie Law/Dion Glover/Salim Stoudemire. At least Salim could shoot
The Mighty Mo
February 12th, 2011
7:38 pm
Al hasn’t even taken a single shot in this game yet. Wow.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
7:38 pm
All our starters have a + rating. All our bench playes have a – rating…
Meanwhile, Jamal is 0-2 in 6 minutes, so LD better keep an eye on him…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:39 pm
“Al hasn’t even taken a single shot in this game yet. Wow.”
Al has passed up at least two or three opportunities where he could have taken the mid range shot or driven the ball. The Hawks should run more plays for him, but he should also be more aggressive.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:40 pm
Nice airball Jamal.
ATL FAN
February 12th, 2011
7:40 pm
Al wasn’t even sure if he was going to play today, he’s obviously still recovering, chill out people
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:41 pm
There we go Al. Stay aggressive.
Dude looked like he was wincing a little on his way back down the court though.
Ken Sugiura
February 12th, 2011
7:41 pm
hawks apparently don’t have a ton of respect for najera’s defensive ability. (perhaps with reason)
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:42 pm
When Zaza has already made three shots inside, it’s a pretty good sign that your interior defense may not be all that good.
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
7:42 pm
Al is moving like he’s still hurting.
Flea
February 12th, 2011
7:43 pm
I wish Teague could just get some minutes consistently no matter what. He needs to go through growing pains if he is ever going to get a chance. No more Mike Woodsoning it
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:44 pm
There was a time when Najera was a good perimeter defender. There was never a time when Najera was a good post defender.
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
7:45 pm
Horford should not be playing at all.
Nice to see the bench bounce back. LOL @ these dudes all wearing the arm sleeve now. Mo is not good enough to be wearing an arm sleeve.
Flea
February 12th, 2011
7:45 pm
Najeh you at the game?
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
7:46 pm
ZaZa playing well so far. 6 pts, 5 rebs 1 assist in 8 minutes.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
7:47 pm
so much for Teague getting minutes.
ATL FAN
February 12th, 2011
7:47 pm
it wont continue lol
Flea
February 12th, 2011
7:48 pm
Charlotte is 0 for the quarter so far
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:48 pm
Nah, I’m watching on TV.
Mo’s headband confuses me more than his arm sleeve. I keep thinking he’s Smoove when I’m watching on TV.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:49 pm
Automatic Al.
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
7:50 pm
they should make it clear why Al is so indispensable..
there is no other 5 man to put in there and give you consistent production. a matter of quality depth.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:50 pm
Keep the foot on the gas and blow these motherf-ckers out please. I really, really want to see the Hawks on the good end of a blowout.
Smoove and Al are just dominating.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
7:50 pm
Wow. Hawks have outscored the Bobcats 18-0 in the second quarter so far…
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
7:50 pm
the skill and talent of Josh Smith
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
7:50 pm
GREAT post move by Josh!
ATL FAN
February 12th, 2011
7:51 pm
oh man
Flea
February 12th, 2011
7:51 pm
18-0 Hawks 2nd Quarter. When is the last time the Hawks had a blowout win? They need to keep their foot on the gas
lewis
February 12th, 2011
7:51 pm
Wish Al didn’t look so hurt, but he’s knockin em down, dude is beast
Josh having an efficient night himself
where is joe?
Ken Sugiura
February 12th, 2011
7:51 pm
real good defense this quarter. shots are being challenged.
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
7:51 pm
Hawks on an impressive run, making up for Tuesday night. Go for 40 Smith.
No wonder why Jordan was practicing with the Bobcats earlier this week.
ATL FAN
February 12th, 2011
7:53 pm
Last time they blew out a team it was Charlotte as well… and that also followed a humiliating defeat against the Hornets.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:57 pm
The common thread throughout this first half has been the dedication to get the ball in the post. They have gotten good looks when they get the ball down low.
This has been the case all season. The Hawks’ offense runs best when either Joe or Smoove gets the ball in the low post, Joe gets the ball coming off screens, and Al gets the ball in the mid range. Any time they deviate from this formula, the offense bogs down and they lose.
lewis
February 12th, 2011
7:57 pm
bibby!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
7:57 pm
When Bibby is getting tip ins, you know the other team isn’t trying.
Flea
February 12th, 2011
7:57 pm
Hawks shooting 11% on 3’s keep it inside
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
7:59 pm
LD to Al –
“pleeeease baby baby pleeeease I can’t take another beating from another scrub team get in there!!”
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
7:59 pm
I wonder just how many tips Bibby has ever had?
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
8:00 pm
One thing about Charlotte is that they have absolutely no offensive post players who can get them easy baskets down on the block. It makes it hard to generate points, when those jumpers don’t fall.
Rev in Tampa
February 12th, 2011
8:01 pm
I hope this win does not decrease the urgency that was obviously present after the 76ers game.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:03 pm
Inexplicably, the Hawks haven’t gone to the post in the last three possessions, and predictably they have not scored.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
8:03 pm
sit down joe
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:04 pm
It’s funny how Mo Evans qualifies as a defensive substitution for this team.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
8:04 pm
Rev – this win? so confident
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
8:04 pm
so much for a blowout
EmirS.
February 12th, 2011
8:05 pm
Someone mentioned a minus rating for the Hawks bench?
Hint, Hint maybe Sund?
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
8:06 pm
blow outs are rare and leads are never safe b/c while other teams attack the rim w/ regularity.. we love the jump shot positions 1-5..
so unless we sustain fire.. a comeback is always in order..
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:06 pm
They needed a 20 second timeout to draw that up?
Ken Sugiura
February 12th, 2011
8:07 pm
0 min. for teague.
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
8:07 pm
“GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE!”
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:09 pm
19 minutes for Horford in the first half led all Hawks.
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
8:09 pm
No, the TO was to advance the ball.Then they could have more time to look unorganized.
Jae Evolution
February 12th, 2011
8:13 pm
Why in the world is the Hawks vs Bobcats on NBATV rather than the Bulls vs Hornets…?
slimjr
February 12th, 2011
8:13 pm
Wow Mike Bibby with a Tip in..What is the world coming to?..LOL
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
8:14 pm
It bodes well that we are out rebounding the ‘Cats at half. They usually brutalize us on the boards.
slimjr
February 12th, 2011
8:15 pm
LD you will regret not using Teague!!!!! Your nuts not using him…We need him in the playoff’s Einstein!!!!!
EmirS.
February 12th, 2011
8:17 pm
Bulls vs Hornets will bring in more money. Thats why you its on NBATV League Pass.
I mean let’s be honest. Our own fans dont watch our own team. Why would anyone else watch them? Lol.
Sad but true.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:17 pm
Bulls-Hornets is on WGN for those of us who don’t have NBA League Pass. If you have Comcast chances are you get WGN. Go Hornets.
Jae Evolution
February 12th, 2011
8:18 pm
Thanks Najeh.
EmirS.
February 12th, 2011
8:19 pm
Ofcourse….all the Chicago City games are on WGN. How could I forget that.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:19 pm
Somehow Gerald Wallace finds a way to stuff the stat sheet, even when he and his team are not playing well. The man is on pace for a triple double.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:22 pm
If they start out this half getting the ball in the post, they will win comfortably. If they start out this half passing it around the perimeter, Charlotte will come back and make the Hawks fight for this win.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:23 pm
I really do not like the Hawks’ zone defense. It always seems like other teams find open shots against it eventually.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:24 pm
Three possessions, no touches in the post for anyone. Not a good start. Hawks are lucky the Bobcats are bailing them out on the other end with bad shot selection.
E From tha C
February 12th, 2011
8:26 pm
mike bibby finda go on a tear
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:27 pm
About damn time Bibby starts busting out of his slump.
I don’t understand why the Hawks insist on doubling when players like Kwame Brown and Nazr Mohammed get the ball in the post. As far as I’m concerned any time the ball ends up in those players’ hands it’s a victory for the Hawks. That time it was Smoove doubling down on Kwame and leaving Wallace open for the 3.
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
8:28 pm
BIBBY SUCK
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
8:29 pm
Najeh, you beat me to it.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:31 pm
If the Hawks’ defense was half as good as the Hawks’ shooting in this quarter, the lead would be 30 by now.
E From tha C
February 12th, 2011
8:31 pm
bibby suck but he knocking 3’s down.no damn credit.be happy he out his slump.negative a** fans man
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:33 pm
That looked like an offensive foul to me. Collins got screwed by the refs.
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
8:33 pm
BIBBY AND THE BOBCATS SUCK
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
8:35 pm
lol 11 point game
coolio
February 12th, 2011
8:39 pm
smoove got fouled wen he first droved
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
8:39 pm
BIBBY HIT A COUPLE OF THREE’S AND EVERYTHINGS RIGHT WITH THE WORLD. NEXT STOP CHAMPIONSHIP. YEAH RIGHT GET REAL HAWKS FAN.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:39 pm
Charlotte cuts it to single digits, Hawks bring in their bench, and they are starting to go perimeter. This team just can’t handle success.
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
8:40 pm
Seen this movie before. 4th quarter meltdown?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:41 pm
Joe gets the ball in the paint and misses a turnaround baby hook. At least draw the damn foul.
dramatics
February 12th, 2011
8:41 pm
joe got horrible d
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
8:42 pm
same ol hawks..
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:42 pm
Keep giving Al the ball. More shots for Al, less shots for Jamal.
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
8:42 pm
lmaoooooo marvin
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:43 pm
Story of Marvin’s career. Great defensive play on one end, and just when you’re about to give him props, he misses a point blank layup on the other end.
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
8:43 pm
And they wonder why we are so negative.
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
8:44 pm
im thinking marvin about to dunk..then I thought he was going to get the rebound for a easy 2
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:44 pm
From Bret LaGree’s Twitter:
“I’ve seen Joe Johnson fail to break Boris Diaw down off the dribble and Stephen Jackson beat him from 30 feet for an and-1. #franchiseplayer”
Bart Davenport
February 12th, 2011
8:44 pm
That was a poor offensive quarter for the Hawks due to the fact that they did not get Al enough touches and settled for too many jumpers. J-Brick got a little bit too trigger happy and Jamal and Joe went cold.
Flea
February 12th, 2011
8:44 pm
Bobcats 29- Hawks 20 that quarter. The Hawks just do not and will not get the killer instinct. EVERY team thinks it has a chance against us. They usually all do
terrell
February 12th, 2011
8:45 pm
Same ole, same ole.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
8:46 pm
Meanwhile, Hawks had an 18 point lead in the thrid quarter. Only to watch the lead down to 4 at the end of the quarter..
Flea
February 12th, 2011
8:46 pm
It was funny when they said maybe when Marvin swung at the other Williams on the Knicks the hawks would be thought of as tougher. The memory of Nate Robinson torching the Hawks at home for 41 when he played for the Knicks enters my mind
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
8:47 pm
yep, let’s get the trades started
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
8:47 pm
HA HA pachuuulia
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:47 pm
Zaza blocked by the rim.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
8:47 pm
reverse layup, zaza, look into it
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
8:48 pm
tie game just pathetic
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
8:48 pm
Zaza – as explosive as a kid’s cap gun.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:48 pm
KEEP GIVING AL THE DAMN BALL
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
8:49 pm
ok joe, time to sign over the $250,000 for tonight’s game over to Horford again and see if he can take us home
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JSS
February 12th, 2011
8:50 pm
Never an easy night I see…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:50 pm
Al really, really needs to get more aggressive.
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
8:50 pm
come on mo make the open shot
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
8:51 pm
just put the starters back in before they lose
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
8:51 pm
from 20 up earlier to now losing
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
8:51 pm
YES, BIBBY BACK IN THE GAME.
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
8:52 pm
and why doesnt zaza just dunk insread of taking one dribble?
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
8:53 pm
Ken Sugiura,
This is why hawks need to make a move (or change the minutes distribution). No matter how many good games they have, they will always have these games where they give up big leads sooner or later…
Wabe
February 12th, 2011
8:53 pm
The Hawks blew a 20 point lead?
Typical
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
8:54 pm
JJM,
see my 8:48 post
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
8:54 pm
can we rent-to-own a good PG from aarons?
terrell
February 12th, 2011
8:54 pm
Another 20+ lead down the drain. wtf?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:55 pm
Bob is funny. The Bobcats haven’t “choked off the paint”. The Hawks have, by refusing to get it down low with the same consistency as the first half.
The Hawks beat themselves a hell of a lot more often than other teams beat them. There are three things the Hawks do well on offense, and they consistently go away from those things.
Wabe
February 12th, 2011
8:55 pm
That’s 3 times in this quarter zaza
terrell
February 12th, 2011
8:56 pm
Coulda had Livingston for the cheap. But know, “we like our core.”
dramatics
February 12th, 2011
8:56 pm
joe don’t even got 10 points?um um um give yo contract to someone on the street
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
8:56 pm
lmao zaza just did it again stupid one bounce
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
8:56 pm
Bobcats are over the limit. I’m guessing the Hawks still get no more than 4 free throws the rest of this quarter.
terrell
February 12th, 2011
8:57 pm
no, not know.
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
8:57 pm
lol@sautee I read it..pretty much what you said
Jase
February 12th, 2011
8:57 pm
Rick sund get off your ass and do some thing.
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
8:57 pm
If you get the ‘Cats in the penalty this early and don’t take it inside every time down, then maybe you don’t deserve to win.
Ken Sugiura
February 12th, 2011
8:58 pm
my AP friend Charles Odum: “when’s the last itme you heard ‘first foul on zaza pachulia’ in the fourth quarter?”
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
8:59 pm
man gerlad should have let josh go that was dangerous
Wabe
February 12th, 2011
8:59 pm
I’m wondering why they haven’t blown this team up yet…
Blow it up please.
At the very least, get rid of the f’n scrubs.
What legit contender would Zaza + Mo Evans be clocking serious minutes for? What legit contender would Mike Bibby be the starting PG of (Miami maybe?)?
Ish getting too old.
Rick Sund
February 12th, 2011
8:59 pm
You ungrateful fans. Complaining about our team on course for 50 wins in a competitive game against a playoff caliber team like Charlotte. Instead of complaining, why dont you all come on down to the arena next home game and enjoy some delicious Chick-Fil-A sandwiches as we cheer our Hawks on to victory.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:00 pm
The really shocking thing is that Zaza hasn’t committed an illegal screen yet.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:01 pm
are the hawks shaving points?
: looks at the hawks like mcenroe : “you CAN’T be serious”
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
9:01 pm
mannnn bench zaza omggggg If I was at the game I would toss my cup at him
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:02 pm
lmao @ sund
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
9:03 pm
Al, if you post up, don’t fade away. Take it hard to the rim, or go sit down.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:03 pm
BIBBY SUCKSSSS SIT HIS AZZ DOWN AND PUT HIS CANE ON HIS LAP
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
9:03 pm
MIKE BIBBY FOR BRICKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
9:03 pm
wtf why is bibby still shooting. POST UP
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:04 pm
get out the club Joe.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:04 pm
Stephen Jackson has looked a lot more like a franchise player than Joe tonight.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
9:05 pm
Hawks once had a 22 point lead. And now the Bobcats lead by 3. SMH.
Maybe this loss will convince LD to make a move…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:05 pm
I don’t think Smoove has had even one post up opportunity this quarter, after dominating in the post in the first half.
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
9:05 pm
sorry ut the hawks will never learn how to play…or maybe its the coaching how do you not tell your team to post josh and al up instead of all these jump shots
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
9:05 pm
co sign Najeh
Loserville USA
February 12th, 2011
9:05 pm
Dumbest team in the NBA continues to get dumber.
They are like a poker player who wins big, gets drunk and gives it all away.
A really obtuse bunch, minus Horford.
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:05 pm
so predictable
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
9:06 pm
it was not a bad pick,
Your grandson marvin is 1-7, 1 rebound, 2 points in 19 minutes.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:06 pm
Hey, but don’t forget — this is the fans’ fault.
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
9:06 pm
iso???? team is not smart
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:06 pm
Iso-Joe out of a timeout, and predictably Joe gets blocked.
terrell
February 12th, 2011
9:07 pm
If it takes a losing srteak to get the Sund and the ASG to see the light, then so be it.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:07 pm
“WHOOOOSH”
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
9:07 pm
more jump shots
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:07 pm
how many times can you fall apart late?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:08 pm
Another airball for Jamal. He has taken over the “useless guard on both ends of the floor” title from Bibby for this game.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:08 pm
1-17??
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
9:08 pm
still not posting josh up
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:08 pm
Bobcats are doing everything in their power to let the Hawks win….but the Hawks are a terrible team…need a trade ASAP
cp
February 12th, 2011
9:08 pm
the blog monster is killing me and the Hawks are killing me
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:09 pm
OMFG SMOOVE
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:09 pm
lmao…..we gotta win after that
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
9:09 pm
Hawks once had a 22 point lead. And now the Bobcats lead by 3. SMH.
Maybe this loss will convince LD to make a move…
and jamal is 1-9
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:09 pm
wow Josh Smith….hawks desperately needed that
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February 12th, 2011
9:09 pm
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J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
9:09 pm
damnnnnnnn
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:09 pm
I really thought he took off too far away from the hoop to make that.
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
9:09 pm
JJ has been deferring to other people all night. But the minute he tries to do something . . lol . . . predictable reaction.
Let the star of the team try to win it, since everything else has collasped this half. If he does, great. If not, oh well.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:09 pm
See Josh? See how when you go to the CUP we are much better off than your hit and mostly miss 3’s?
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
9:09 pm
“GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE!” Damn!!!!
cp
February 12th, 2011
9:10 pm
Damn that was nasty
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:11 pm
win or lose….something has gotta change.
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:11 pm
The team is too Lethargic though….too nice….
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:11 pm
“JJ has been deferring to other people all night. But the minute he tries to do something . . lol . . . predictable reaction.”
Nobody would have a problem with him doing something that caters to his strengths. Iso-Joe on the perimeter does not cater to his strengths. He is plainly and simply not quick enough to break anyone down off the dribble and get to the rim. Get him the ball coming off a screen or post him up against a smaller, weaker defender.
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
9:12 pm
northcyde,
Bob said it right…. the entire Bobcats defense collapsed on him. So NO ONE else was open?
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
February 12th, 2011
9:12 pm
Amazing how they coughed the lead. The last blow out in our favor was at UTAH. It looks like we blew the blow out opportunity tonight and it may cost us the victory. SMDH
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:13 pm
swat that rock
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:13 pm
Good offensive play by the Hawks, better defensive play by Gerald Wallace.
On the other end, good offensive play by the Bobcats, better defensive play by Smoove.
dramatics
February 12th, 2011
9:13 pm
good d josh damn u playing ur a** off tonight
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:14 pm
Hornets are up by 11. This win would be big.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
9:14 pm
seriously, why is Jamal in the game?
he is 1-9…
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
9:14 pm
Najeh . . who cares about strengths at this point. we just need someone to make a play. Smith made a great play and got rewarded for it.
The team ball concept is great when people are making shots. But when things go south, the stars have to try to do it.
Let’s just hope they can pull this game out.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:14 pm
Horford has kinda run out of gas a little in this fourth quarter.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:15 pm
ugh, terrible possession
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
9:15 pm
iso
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
9:15 pm
horford should be bench…he cant score or defend
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:16 pm
another home collapse….why are Bibby and Jamal Crawford in the game?
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
9:16 pm
I can hear it now. “The Hawks locker room remained closed longer than usual”.
And then LD will talk about defensive breakdowns, shot selection, lack of energy etc. Same old Hawks
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:16 pm
Pick and roll with Al — a play the Hawks really should run a lot more.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:17 pm
thank you josh for not trying to dribble it down the court
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
9:17 pm
The lakers, heat, magic, and celtics would have had their subs in by now with the game out of reach.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:18 pm
Horford is 3 for his last 9 if I’m not mistaken, and a lot of those have been tough shots a little out of his comfort zone.
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:18 pm
@Najeh
they should run the pick and roll/Pop almost exclusively with Horford and Josh on the floor….too bad Bibby is too slow to go around the pick
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
9:18 pm
And even if they win, there is nothing to be excited about.
Charlotte played last night, Hawks have 3 days off. Hawks are the better team and are coming off a 34 point loss against the Phills. And we had a 22 point lead this game.
Wabe
February 12th, 2011
9:19 pm
There’s your guy making a play…
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:19 pm
oh my word.
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
9:20 pm
GIVE JOE JOHNSON A RAISE.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
9:20 pm
And what kind of play call is that?
JJ is 4-13, and they call a play for him?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:20 pm
Another worthless play by the Hawks. It doesn’t matter how many times you set screens for Joe; the result is still going to be a contested jumper, and if the jumper is not falling there’s no point.
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
9:20 pm
so you dont drive the ball because? josh is still standing behind the 3 point line because?
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:20 pm
Hawks better have the defensive lineup in the game
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:20 pm
From Bret LaGree’s Twitter:
“Larry Drew would rather go zone than take any of Bibby, Crawford, or Johnson out of the game for someone who can play defense.”
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:21 pm
Bibby nor Jamal bettter not come out for the last 5.6
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:21 pm
iso joe /= W
dramatics
February 12th, 2011
9:21 pm
joe better play d on this final possesion
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:21 pm
Drew playing smart but Mo Evans??? Let Marvin Get in there
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:22 pm
damn.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:22 pm
Unbelievable.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:22 pm
LMAO
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
9:22 pm
oh well the bobcats earned it
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
9:22 pm
WOW!!!
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
9:22 pm
Ken Sugiura,
I hope you plan on doing the article about the hawks and their fourth quarter scoring.
They scored 14 points in the fourth quarter tonight.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:22 pm
START THE TRADES
Wabe
February 12th, 2011
9:22 pm
I guess I can say it again…
Yet another night.
I’d rather see the Hawks lose 50+ games and try to land a legit stud with a lottery pick than continue with things as are. The only way this team gets better is with more talent. Unfortunately, we have the biggest bums for owners, and they’re basically holding this team hostage.
They won’t add the necessary peices to push the team to the next level.
At some point, you’ve gotta either:
A) Blow this team up
B) Add the peices necessary to take this thing to the next level
You can’t keep this thing stuck the way it’s been.
BTW, Steven Jackson just did what JJ didn’t.
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:23 pm
cold blooded killer.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:23 pm
Hawks deserved to lose.
For the record, Joe has 5 years/$107 million left on his deal, while Stephen Jackson has 2 years/$19 million left on his deal.
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:23 pm
up 23. smh.
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:23 pm
Another home collapse….please Basketball Gods….all we ask is a trade to get Bibby out of here
terrell
February 12th, 2011
9:23 pm
JJ
“Aint no pressure on me man.” The hell it aint.
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
9:23 pm
Ouch
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:24 pm
See Joe? That’s how to take over at the end of the game and win.
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
9:24 pm
I cant to hear what the hawks have to say after this…clearly its bad coaching and they need to trade players
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:24 pm
Cant wait for the post game comments from the team and coach.
Wabe
February 12th, 2011
9:25 pm
How many times does the same ish have to happen before it becomes a given? How many times do we have to see it before we can conclude this is just what it is with this team?
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:25 pm
CANT WAIT!
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:25 pm
CANT WAIT!
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:25 pm
no need to overreact..
the Hawks needed to sign Joe.
this loss isnt about him. the same reason we let teams back in games is the same reason we can never come back.. our 23 pt deficits turn into 30+ point blow outs.
Sid
February 12th, 2011
9:25 pm
now that was funny….pathetic losers.
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
9:25 pm
Stephen Jackson for Joe Johnson and Mike Bibby
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:25 pm
Don’t forget, it’s all our fault. If we had gone to the game, the Hawks would have magically won. Real cities support their mediocre teams that blow 22 point leads and lose to teams below .500.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
9:25 pm
I wonder if LD will talk about some kind of change again.
And the Hawks now go on the road for 7 straight games. I know they play better on the road, but still…
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:25 pm
Trade Bibby, Jamal Crawford and Mo Evans……nobody wants those players though….smdh
TruthSeeker
February 12th, 2011
9:26 pm
It’s all a fait accompli anyway. This team is destined for a first-round exit.
J.J.M
February 12th, 2011
9:26 pm
lol this the reason i went to 12 games last season and no games this season…I know what to expect from this team
just sayin
February 12th, 2011
9:26 pm
People keep paying money for that stuff….hahah. Feel sorry for big Al getting stuck in this place…Oh well off to ‘da clubs.
Eric C.
February 12th, 2011
9:26 pm
SSSSSSOOOOOOOSSSSSSS
Flea
February 12th, 2011
9:26 pm
Well said Najeh
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
9:27 pm
LOL . . they deserve to lose that game.
This type of loss bothers me a lot more than lethargic losses. It’s these types of losses that illustrate the multiple things wrong wth the squad.
Great game Josh and Al. At least you 2 came to play.
Smh @ Marvin and Jamal. Can’t have that out of them.
And once again, JJ misses a ton of open 3s.
But when it’s all said and done, it’s not just one problem with this team. This team has multiple issues.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:27 pm
I want to know how many post ups Smoove had in the 2nd half. I can’t remember a single one. And that’s after he dominated in the post in the first half.
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
9:27 pm
Well, as I’ve said before, the worse things look, the bigger the chance that Gearon will figure out that the core might not be worth keeping.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:27 pm
No, we didn’t need to sign Joe. He proved last season he could not take us to the next level. Why keep him? To avert a losing season? If the goal is a championship, it would of been better to get rid of him and keep searching for pieces of the puzzle that fit.
Not continued to be puzzled.
Wabe
February 12th, 2011
9:27 pm
BLOW IT UP…
OR ADD THE NECESSARY PEICES
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:28 pm
lol.. who partying tonight w/ Joe @ The Mansion Elan ..?
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:28 pm
can we have AT THE VERY LEAST some trade rumors??? THis team is not constructed to get out of thee 1st round let alone the 2nd round.
Send Bibby, Jamal Crawford, Jordan Crawford, Jeff Teague, Cash, and some future first round picks for Carmelo Anthony….then maybe we could score in the 4th quarter
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:29 pm
http://atlafterdark.com/directory/Joe-Johnson-host-at-The-Mansion-Elan.html
lmao….
Flea
February 12th, 2011
9:29 pm
The HAWKS remind me of the Hawks back when we had Smitty, Mookie, and Mutumbo. Good enough for 50 wins but after almost getting put out in the first round last year< this will be the year we get our first round 1 exit since Boston.
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
9:29 pm
ASG= Dump parents
Hawks= Spoiled kids
LD= Babysitter (no respect)
Sautee
February 12th, 2011
9:29 pm
northcyde,
Bad enough that Joe and Jamal were a combined 0-9 from threes, but we didn’t NEED them shooting threes if we kept pounding it inside.
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:29 pm
At least Stephen Jackson’s club in Atlanta he just opened up is doing well…because the Hawks aint JACK SQUAT
cp
February 12th, 2011
9:30 pm
just pathetic.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:30 pm
Nique laughs at this. “Remember ‘93 beaaches???”
Leo
February 12th, 2011
9:30 pm
I wish we had went after Livingstone last summer when he was available. We have glaring holes at point guard. We need better ball movement. I hate iso offense.
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:30 pm
Mac..
i see we on the same page.. lol
terrell
February 12th, 2011
9:30 pm
Hawks are as soft as wet tissue paper.
Wabe
February 12th, 2011
9:30 pm
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
9:29 pm
ASG= Dump parents
Hawks= Spoiled kids
LD= Babysitter (no respect)
Well put.
Could definitely see that.
coolio
February 12th, 2011
9:31 pm
it ain’t joe johnson fault?what?he don’t care bout winning long as he get his.no emotion on his face.damn josh was bout to damn near cry because he hate to lose expecially after a performance like this from him.Joe didnt score over 10 points i don’t believe.120 mil WASTED
lewis
February 12th, 2011
9:31 pm
Damn give me my 2 hours back
Jesse
February 12th, 2011
9:32 pm
This team just needs a guy who will drive to the basket. They settle for jumpers all game, and if they go cold there is no way they’ll ever win.
Leo
February 12th, 2011
9:32 pm
I like Joe can’t blame him for missing a jumper, but we need to put the ball on the floor and go to the cup. I also hate jump shooting offensive play. Can we please use Horford more and bring in a Center and Point Guard.
Please Please Please
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:32 pm
“no need to overreact..
the Hawks needed to sign Joe. ”
I agree they needed to sign him to maintain their status as a playoff team, which is why I wasn’t really opposed to it when it happened, but at the same time by keeping him they definitively took themselves out of the running to become a title contender and basically announced to the world that they are satisfied maintaining the status quo of winning 50 games and losing in the 2nd round.
Of course, I trust Joe to take this team farther than they have gotten a hell of a lot more than than I would have trusted Rick Sund to find a suitable replacement for him if he had left.
Anyway, this loss was a result of awful tactics (specifically not getting the ball in the post) and was bigger than one man. LD is the guy to point the finger at, if anyone.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:32 pm
lol @ Flea, I remember one playoff game in 97 or 98 against the Bulls, Jordan got tired of Mutumbo and double pumped fade on him over his fingertips, swoosh, then wagged his finger at him
lewis
February 12th, 2011
9:32 pm
should’ve pounded inside the entire game i don’t care if josh an al get 17 shots a game as long as 12 are in the post
ICECOLD
February 12th, 2011
9:33 pm
Did yall notice every time zaza got in the game, the hawks lead faded away.. and when zaza and Marvin was in the game at the same time… they started losing!!! ( this game shows who really needs to be traded,
Marvin Williams, f###in sucks, he deserves to be traded
Zaza, he needs to be traded to a team and I don’t care what we get for him, anybody is better then him
Mo evens, definition of garbage , trade him in a package deal
Jamal Crawford, I think its bout time to get him out of here while people still might want him for a starting center in a package deal.. and just let somebody else be six man..
Their u go… I would give everybody I just named for
Either one of these centers
Pau gasol
Nene ( and birdman or another player )
One of blazers centers
Etc.. etc.
Just do somethin
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
9:33 pm
Hawks with 34 points in the second half. 14 in the fourth. Hawks were 4-23 from the field in the 4th,
Shaun Livingston with 18 points, 4 assists. He was available over the offseason too, but the Hawks had no interest in another backup PG…
superiorblogman
February 12th, 2011
9:33 pm
What a joke. Simply put trades are needed.
Leo
February 12th, 2011
9:33 pm
FYI, Joe isn’t worth 120 million. 80 Maybe, not 120.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:33 pm
resign Joe would of been fine, but not for no $120 mil. cmon now.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:34 pm
Joe Johnson host at The Mansion Elan
Event Time: 10pm-3am
3595 Clairmont Rd.
Atlanta
Georgia
DJ: Infamous, Tephlon, Tayrok and more!
Avg. Cover Charge: $10-$20
Dress Code: Kool & Kosmo
…………
JJ not worried about this lost…..he bout to go keep it Kool & Kosmo with a few yellabones.
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
9:34 pm
It’s not ALL our fault . . just partially. Maybe 5% – 10%. Maybe a better crowd gets them to play better.
I mean, that is if you believe that home court advantage does have some effect on a game. Only if you believe a good vocal crowd can rattle an opponent at the end of a game..
If the city as a whole doesn’t care about the team . . and the ownership doesn’t care about upgrading the personnel . . then the ASG may as well sell the team and move the Hawks out of Atlanta.
Move the team to Cincinnati . . lol . . so I can root for 3 schizophrenic teams from that town ( Bengals, Reds, and Hawks ). I’m 4.5 hours from Cincy, so the drive would be the same for me.
Damn . . Hawks, Vols, and the Cuse lose . . . all stupidly too. Bad basketball day for me.
Look on the bright side folks. Maybe this loss will force Sund or the ASG to do something about the personnel. don’t hold your breath though.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:35 pm
I like how Acie Law and Josh Childress are in the background of that party for Joe Johnson’s party. They couldn’t find a picture that was less than three years old?
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:35 pm
i d trust the Cookie Monster with my Oreo’s before i trust RICK SUND to build a championship contender ..
as a Hawk fan. signing Joe was the better choice..
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:35 pm
^that flyer for Joe Johnson’s party
W.R. Terrell
February 12th, 2011
9:35 pm
I just finished watching the Atlanta Hawks play “STUPIDBALL” again. Some folks are glutons for punishment and I am definitely one of them. Now if this was the first time a 20 point lead was blown that would be one thing but it’s not. The Hawks are not basketball intelligent. It’s time to start over with draft choices and trades. Lets call this season over and done with because if they continue with the same team it’s going to be more stupidity on the court. Time to say goodbye to Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Josh Powell, Mo Evans and Bibby. We will not make the playofs and if by some chance we do, it’s over and done with in round one. Time to rebuild and get rid of all of that dead weight. There are players out there that wants to play because of the love of the game. These guys only love their paycheck. Dumb team, a very dumb team
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:35 pm
Trade Mo Evans, Bibby, Crawford, Crawford, Jeff Teague, future first round picks, cash
Those are the players we need to get rid of. Trade Marvin too if we can get a good deal. I’m talking blockbuster…might as well do it.
Send Teague & Crawford for Richard Hamilton or Tayshaun Prince
Send JC2, Bibby, Mo Evans, Marvin Williams, Cash, and 2 First picks and conditional 2nd round picks for a Carmelo rental
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:35 pm
LMFAO@Najeh
I noticed that.
Freshfromatl
February 12th, 2011
9:36 pm
As I said two blogs ago. LMAO @ everyone that LD told a boldface lie to after the last loss (which is all of you). I CANNOT EVEN FATHOM HOW THIS DUDE CONTINUE TO HAVE THE BALLS TO PUT MO EVANS AND MIKE BIBBY ON THE COURT. I wonder what lie he’ll tell now.
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:36 pm
“I like how Acie Law and Josh Childress are in the background of that party for Joe Johnson’s party. They couldn’t find a picture that was less than three years old?”
its not like knows who’s on the Hawks anyway.. they could’ve thrown Nique on there..
especially the crowd thats going to be there.. hell.. this is a superstar city … u and i know that.
Flea
February 12th, 2011
9:37 pm
lol @ Niques’s Revenge, I remember that, Mutumbo was a beast though. Almost like Josh when he wants to be.
lewis
February 12th, 2011
9:37 pm
Marvin is bad, don’t get me wrong, but Drew has no clue how to use him off the bench
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
9:37 pm
LMAO @ MAC
Mansion is usually off the chain on Saturday too. He’ll take his shower, show up around 12:30, and be chillin with Bibby and Smith.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:37 pm
Anyway, after watching two sh-tty teams battle to see who is more mediocre, you can watch two good teams battle to see who is better on WGN. Hornets are up by 11 on the Bulls in the 3rd quarter.
RA
February 12th, 2011
9:39 pm
Honestly, I don’t know what’s more sad, the fact that they went on and lost, or the fact that anyone with half a brain could see it coming right before halftime. The Hawks have all the talent to win (not to win big, not to win a championship, but to win). They just don’t have the heart. Larry Drew is a good coach, but that’s not going to matter if he has a team that only executes the game plan 2 out of 4 quaters of every game. I like this team. We’ve got good players, but to lose a game like Tuesday night and follow that up with an egg like this is inexcusable. Changes are not only necessary, they’re imperative.
terrell
February 12th, 2011
9:39 pm
Sund wanted Dwayne Casey, ASG wanted LD(the new voice). I’m bout to hop off the LD bandwagon. Think I’d rather have Casey now. At least he’d have the balls to put Bibby an Mo on the freakin bench. OMG! And I’m tired of seeing JJ getting outplayed by players making half of what he makes.Cant blame him for taking the $, but still.
bonquesha
February 12th, 2011
9:39 pm
I saw this coming when Dominique announced with 6 minutes left in the game that the Hawks had this under control and in the bag with a 3 point lead. Obviously, Joe played hard enough to earn an all-star spot because he seems to not try as hard now. This team is seriously flawed mentally and that’s something that LD cannot fix. It’s time for Sund and ASG to seriously start putting people on the trading block. I am convinced that these guys are complacent and think they are safe in Atlanta.
rusty
February 12th, 2011
9:39 pm
JJ you suck. Get rid of ld,he really sucks. Where was jt,jc2,dw. What the hell was mo in there & not dw. This coach has no idea how to sub or run a ball game. Ld, you suck
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:40 pm
folk just hate the city man..
Hawks not going not going nowhere bruh.. might as well find another team..
Charlotte
February 12th, 2011
9:40 pm
YEAAAAAAH GO BOBCATS HAWKS CAN EAT IT
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
9:41 pm
Stinger had it right. “Hawks kept waiting for JJ to come through, but he didn’t”.
Why did they go away from Josh?
I’m glad Teague didnt play, because if he did, he might have been blamed for the loss (sarcasm).
I’ll say it again. Hawks can lose with Teague just as much as they can lose without him.
Jamal played backup PG, and although he had 7 assists, he was 1-9 from the field
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:41 pm
jump shooters 1-5
no slashers.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:42 pm
“its not like knows who’s on the Hawks anyway.. they could’ve thrown Nique on there.. ”
Haha good point.
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:42 pm
LD c’mon now..
we settle for jump shots every game. its a matter of when they stop falling. we will not keep anyone out of games unless we stay hot; and thats not happening.
Don Mohow
February 12th, 2011
9:44 pm
It’s not like this is that surprising. Same old story. Poor perimeter defense causes the Hawks to lose another game. That’s on L.D. as much as anyone too. Especially tonight, I find it appropriate to place a large portion of the blame on L.D. Anyone who knows anything significant about the Hawks knows that their backcourt combo of Bibby and Crawford is the weakest backcourt in the league and then know that dribble penetration will always work against them. Livingston and Jackson abused the Hawks perimeter defense all night long, and Drew continued to stick with the Bibby-Crawford backcourt. He deserved what happened. I can’t say that the whole team deserved to lose. Al and Josh played with a lot of effort tonight and both had nice games, but as usual, that didn’t matter with the poor perimeter defense.
On a night where Jamal clearly had nothing going and was giving nothing positive to the team while he was on the court, it made absolutely no sense to stick with him in the backcourt over a more reliable defender. Damien Wilkins should have been in the game to defend Jackson or livingston, whom were getting anything they wanted all night against our guards. Poor decision by L.D. to stick wtih offense over defense (especially when the offense was nonexistant from the backcourt “go-to” guys). I’m really far beyond annoyed with this team. If personnel changes are not made, I don’t see any of our perimeter problems being solved. It’s incredibly obvious at this point that L.D. is all talk and is not going to “shake up his lineup” by making changes that actually matter. He’s not going to bench Bibby, he’s not going to play Jamal less minutes in favor of better defenders, he’s not going to bench Josh when Josh is playing out of control. The only guy who may go to the bench is probably Marvin who is usually the scapegoat for losses after Mike Bibby.
No perimeter defense, no rings. It’s that simple.
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
9:45 pm
Lewis . . he shouldn’t be on the bench in the first place. The only time he should come off the bench, is if we play a scoring center.
Drew is an offensive coach, so his adjustments will be offensive on most nights.
But it’s only so much you can blame on Drew. When players simply don’t step up, this is what you get.
Flea
February 12th, 2011
9:45 pm
Lol its not like knows who’s on the Hawks anyway.. they could’ve thrown Nique on there.. ”
Hell we could have thrown Dion Glover and Jason Terry on there
dandydawg
February 12th, 2011
9:45 pm
Man.. do the Hawks really suck this bad. What’s wrong with them? Any ideas?
terrell
February 12th, 2011
9:45 pm
Jamal IS NOT a pg.
Nique's Revenge
February 12th, 2011
9:46 pm
cmon LD announce your trades NAOW!
superiorblogman
February 12th, 2011
9:46 pm
Woody will be coaching in the NBA again next year, mark that down. Larry Drew is a horrible coach. The Hawks are a horrible team that needs to be broken off.
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
9:47 pm
Larry Drew is full of ish. you are the coach take charge of the team.
W.R. Terrell
February 12th, 2011
9:47 pm
Well I just finished watching the Atlanta Hawks play “STUPIDBALL” again. It’s time for change folks, we have no team with a basketball IQ. Now if this was the first time the Hawks gave up a 20 point lead that would be one thing but it is not. Time to say goodbye to Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Joe Johnson and Bibby. They are our so-called core group. They are a big laugh. We need folks who just want to play the game because they love the game. I can take losing with pride and dignity because of hustle and effort anyday but this thing we have called a team only care about their paychecks. They need to go. I say trade em, get some draft choices and be done with it. This season is lost and will not be found. It’s hard to be a fan when the team has no pride. Hell, Cleveland losing left and right but they fight every night for themselves and the fans.
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
9:48 pm
Ken Sugiura,
I hope you ask LD if he still think some kind of change is needed…
superiorblogman
February 12th, 2011
9:49 pm
The Bobcats will not even sniff the playoffs this year. The Clips beat Miami and lost to Cleveland, who cares that the sorry ass Bobcats won a game. The focus should be the Hawks, they need a trade to get to the next level. The Bobcats need a miracle to even make the playoffs.
terrell
February 12th, 2011
9:49 pm
LD keeps saying “we seetled for jumpshots”. Well do something about it. PUT SOMEBODYS AZZ ON THE BENCH!
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:49 pm
It’s the way we lose….which makes it so irritating. Same Sh*t.
kwooden1
February 12th, 2011
9:49 pm
Charlotte, deserved to win this game, nice shot by Capt. Jack. Silas rode Livingston to get back in the game and clogged the middle on defense. The HAWKS stopped working the ball inside and then started missing jump shots. I’m not sure what LD is thinking but Wilkins clearly needed to come in and cover Livingston. Bibby played pretty well, but thats no excuse not to play Jeff. We clearly need someone that consistently get in the paint and get fouled.
terrell
February 12th, 2011
9:50 pm
“settled”
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:50 pm
Bob Rathbun and Nique probably already took a few to the head on their way to JJ’s party.
Flea
February 12th, 2011
9:51 pm
OUR CEILING HAS BEEN REACHED
NorcalHawk
February 12th, 2011
9:52 pm
First of all, Ken I’m glad you hung onto your money. I gotta admit, though, I’d never bet that Joe, Marvin, and Jamal would go a combined 6 for 30. Is Jamal hurt or is he just in a prolonged slump? This club no longer has anywhere near the spirit that last year’s had, despite basically no roster changes.
Hard to keep rooting for such a talented team that serves up mediocrity on a regular basis.
Flea
February 12th, 2011
9:52 pm
LMAO @ MAC Town. They probably have
Tremaine
February 12th, 2011
9:52 pm
terrell LD can’t do anything
ASG= Dumb parents
Hawks= Spoiled kids
LD= Babysitter (no respect)
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:52 pm
lmao who are those people shooting around behind the Stinger??? Somebody else about to play there?
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
9:52 pm
Either we need to trade or players should be benched.
Bibby needs to be on the bench…Why are the fans the only ones that can see this???? He’s a BONAFIDE SCRUB….useless on defense….spotty at best on offense….doesn’t want the ball as the PG but instead will let his PF dribble the ball up the court with a defender on him….can’t penetrate…just a scrub. THat’s not a knock on his career…he was borderline great while it lasted but nowadays… BENCH
I can’t comprehend what Mo Evans does well but it’s probably because the answer is nothing. He should never play.
Jamal Crawford is only a spark plug. If he’s not hitting his shots he needs to be on the bench. He plays no defense.
Our rotation is too long. It needs to be shortened from 11 to 9. JJ, Marvin, Josh, Al, Zaza, Collins, JC1, Damien are the only ones that should get PT unless someone gets injured. Teague needs to start and Bibby needs to be over there with Etan
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
9:52 pm
LD looks like he has no answers for this team. He needs to try something different.
Meanwhile, Shaun Livingston had a career night. I guess thats what happens when you are guarded by Jamal and Bibby.
Don Mohow
February 12th, 2011
9:53 pm
Something that really worries me when I watch L.D.’s post game interviews is it’s tough to tell whether he’s lying when he blames the losses on things like “settling for jump shots” or “lack of intensity” or “no sense of urgency” or whether he truly believes that these are the causes for the losses. I hope the reason is the former and not the latter because Drew is actually being honest when he makes these excuses, then he should not be the head coach on any team. Any basketball novice could see that the Hawks biggest problems are on the defensive end. It’s almost always the perimeter defense that kills us. Our offense is above average, but our defense on the perimeter is laughable. All teams have off-nights shooting the ball, but good teams can fall back onto their defense to still win games. With our pathetic backcourt lineup of Bibby and Jamal, we can never play elite defense. Get it together, L.D. Stop trying to make lemonade with prunes. It’s not going to happen.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:54 pm
Whatever lineup changes LD has in mind, it’s time to implement them.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:54 pm
lol@Flea
I can see it now….Rathbun gonna take about 5 to the dome then go for the 6th but he just cant do it
Nique: “That was a HEAT CHECK!!!!”
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:54 pm
who are these guys.. get to hoop @ phillips after the game?
Don Mohow
February 12th, 2011
9:54 pm
Correction on the second sentence of my last post: I meant to say “…IF Drew is actually being honest…”.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:55 pm
Is the “championship belt” celebration what’s hot right now? Everyone trying to copy Aaron Rodgers?
lewis
February 12th, 2011
9:55 pm
“we like our core”
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
February 12th, 2011
9:56 pm
Don Mohow, Drew is frustrated. He knows we cant get it done with the personnel we have, but just doesnt wanna say it flat out.
bigdave
February 12th, 2011
9:56 pm
Nejeh..
the actually copying Freddie ‘the peoples champ’ Mitchell
of UCLA fame..
mattjones
February 12th, 2011
9:57 pm
ASG hired LD because keeping Woody would have cost them more. Joe Johnson improved his game so that he could get an All-Star selection. He’s had only one good game since his selection and that was the day he was selected. His numbers have dropped back to where they were previously. That tells me he CAN play at a higher level consistently when he’s motivated. Shame on you Joe for your lack of effort.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
9:57 pm
“I can see it now….Rathbun gonna take about 5 to the dome then go for the 6th but he just cant do it
Nique: “That was a HEAT CHECK!!!!””
LMAO… those are some pretty big nimbers.
lewis
February 12th, 2011
9:58 pm
Keep in mind, we would’ve been blown out badly without a hurt AL
Don Mohow
February 12th, 2011
9:59 pm
MAC-Town,
He doesn’t need to say it publicly, but if he really knows what the issue is, there’s not excuse for him not trying to correct it. There was no excuse for why Bibby and Jamal played major minutes (especially with Jamal being absolutely useless in this game) , while Teague and Damien sat for virtually the entire night. I hate to sound too negative, but it’s very frustrating to see the same mistakes cost us games over and over with no adjustments being made to prevent the mistakes.
kwooden1
February 12th, 2011
9:59 pm
I will say this also, I don’t think Marvin played that poorly even though he was 1-7. Most of his shots were close to the basket but just didn’t fall. He was very aggressive and so was Zaza. The problem is neither is very good.
Jae Evolution
February 12th, 2011
10:00 pm
What lineup change can LD honestly make, besides starting Teague I don’t see any other alternative that would be remotely effective. And if he did that Bibby and Jamal would just be coming off the bench with their ZERO D.
Trades are needed.
lewis
February 12th, 2011
10:01 pm
Hawks are stupid and our only leaders are bigs so its not like they can dictate the offense necessarily, and on defense they can only cover up so many mistakes
Don Mohow
February 12th, 2011
10:01 pm
At least there’s one positive from this game: Al Horford looked pretty good, even while being hurt. You could tell that his back was still sore, but it looks like he’s healing up just fine, and still giving us great production, even while not being at 100% health.
rusty
February 12th, 2011
10:02 pm
Ld took no blame in his interview,same old crap,lousy coach.bring woody back even tho I thought he was lousy
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
10:03 pm
Starting Lineup
Teague
JJ
Josh Smith
Al Horford
Zaza Pachulia
Bench:
Jamal Crawford
Marvin Williams
Damien Wilkins
Jason Collins
Never See The Court:
Mo Evans
Mike Bibby
Etan Thomas
And if you can’t get with that…then don’t step on the team plane. Quit and forfeit your money. Now that’s a real change.
Teague can’t shoot?….good…run the offense…
we virtually have no 3 pt shooting in the starting lineup?…GOOD run the offense.
Post up, take the ball to the basket and pick and roll that’s the name of the game…..not long two pointers with a hand in the face or 3 pointers with the clock winding down.
Tyronn Lue
February 12th, 2011
10:03 pm
Any of you guys miss me now?
Tyronn Lue
February 12th, 2011
10:04 pm
Give me my job back.
Don Mohow
February 12th, 2011
10:04 pm
Jae Evolution,
You’re spot on with your comment about L.D. having limited options. As of now, I don’t think he can do much outside of benching Bibby and going with defense over offense when Jamal clearly doesn’t have it going, but as far as major improvements, we need to make trades to accomplish that. We need a true playmaker at the point-guard position and desperately need some well-rounded guards who play both ends of the floor. At this point, I’d settle for a point guard who isn’t even an offensive threat as long as he can be trusted as a playmaker and defender, but unfortuntely there aren’t many quality PGs out there that are available. I’m ready to cut ties with Jamal to see if we can get something close to that though.
thetruth
February 12th, 2011
10:07 pm
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Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
10:07 pm
LMAO @ Tyronn Lue. Lue in ‘07 was basically what Bibby is now. Back then BK realized the need to improve the point guard position and made the Bibby trade. Now Rick Sund thinks Bibby is in his prime.
You could make a pretty solid case that Billy Knight > Rick Sund.
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
10:07 pm
Forget the three point line…run the Flex offense like Boston College used to do and get shots closer to the basket through penetration. I don’t care if you get blocked 100 times…take the ball into the paint like a man and get to the free throw line. They are waiting to foul.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
10:08 pm
Bulls have come back and tied the Hornets in the 4th.
Randall
February 12th, 2011
10:08 pm
rusty,
When has L.D. ever taken the blame for a loss? He’s not man enough to do that. I don’t have much respect at all for Drew as a person or as a coach. I think he’d be alright on a rebuilding team or on a team that is trying to make the playoffs for the first time in years, but he really brings nothing to our team as far as improvement goes. If we wanted to be 33-20, we could have just stuck with Woodson. I’m sick of L.D., but since he was only hired to save money, I doubt he will be fired any time soon.
kwooden1
February 12th, 2011
10:08 pm
What I don’t understand is the HAWKS have shown no ability to minimize their deficiencies. They have to get better PG play or they clearly won’t make it out of the 2nd round of the Playoffs. (maybe even the first round) They have to develop Teague or trade for someone that can drive and finish. Or every 4th quarter were going to watch the HAWKS miss a bunch of jumpshots because they can’t drive and get to the free-throw line.
Worldwide Clyde
February 12th, 2011
10:12 pm
Blame it on Teague
Fire Sund
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
10:12 pm
Trade Jeff Teague, Jamal Crawford, Jordan Crawford and a first rounder for Deron Williams
PROBLEM SOLVED
SteveW
February 12th, 2011
10:15 pm
I think LD is in a game of chicken with Sund and ASG over Teague. LD is refusing to develop him, hoping Sund/ASG will trade him for a Rip Hamilton or something. We’ll see.
I have loved some of LD’s stuff. But his subsitutions and after halftime adjustments have stunk. We have to be leading the lead in getting beat in the second half recently.
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
10:17 pm
The trade actually works on Trade Machine
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Projected added wins…13….I wholeheartedly agree
SteveW
February 12th, 2011
10:18 pm
Of course it’s Teague’s fault. He should be practicing better forcing LD to play him (sarcasm).
I really think LD is so concerned about his job and winning now, he has zero interest in developing Teague. He wants vets, and folks to win now, not later. I hope he knows what he is doing, because as of right now, I don’t trust him.
Besides having a motion offense on occasion, and going big when the occasion arises, just how is he different than Woody? Just asking.
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
10:20 pm
lol @ thetruth . . . ya’ll are getting too creative now.
By the way folks, guess who was the +/- leader for tonight?.
Hint: he’s the guy that everyone wants to bench
SteveW
February 12th, 2011
10:22 pm
Our record is worse than last year, and we’re heading on a 7 game road trip, and we are playing really bad basketball. Bibby has lost it,
Jamal has also
JJ is as well
We have no inside game
No PG
No Coach who will develop youth – JC2 is playing way less than Teague did last season
A Coach who insists on playing Mo over Wilkens
” ” ” ” ” ‘” Bibby over Teague
I said a few days ago, we are close to being a bad team, closer than many think. When the Sixers and Bobcats come to your place and beat you, your in trouble.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
10:22 pm
Jamal had a +6 and Smoove had a -7. I’d like to see the argument for how Jamal had a better game than Smoove.
SteveW
February 12th, 2011
10:23 pm
Northcyde, I know, and the guy with the best stats was by far the +/- loser by far. That stat can be overrated depending on player combinations.
SteveW
February 12th, 2011
10:25 pm
I wonder what ASG will do if we collapse, and the trade deadline has passed? Keep trotting Bibby out there so Teague can get some DNP Coaches Decision? Popovich develops players, Rivers develops players, Woody and LD don’t seem to develop players.
Jae Evolution
February 12th, 2011
10:27 pm
I’m frustrated with this Teague DNP, why does LD not allow this kid to even have a chance to grow. C’mon dude! You gotta let this kid go, give him some damn minutes!
O'Brien
February 12th, 2011
10:28 pm
Wow. Bulls outscore Hornets 30-21 in the 3rd, and 21-10 in the fourth so far. They lead by 9 after being down double digits. On the road. To a good team…
northcyde
February 12th, 2011
10:29 pm
Haha @ Tyronn Lue making an appearance. One thing about it . . with the Godfather of the ISO ( Lue ) on the team, we didn’t have these 4th quarter offensive meltdowns.
He couldn’t guard anybody, but he’d at least score.
Maybe we can leave Teague in Detroit, and exchange him for Will Bynum. Or leave Jamal in Phoenix and bring aboard Nash.
Only in NBA 2K11 I guess.
Worldwide Clyde
February 12th, 2011
10:30 pm
Free Jordan Crawford
Jae Evolution
February 12th, 2011
10:30 pm
“No Coach who will develop youth – JC2 is playing way less than Teague did last season”
SteveW while I agree with your statement completely, the single reason that Jordan doesn’t get many minutes is because we are completely overloaded at the SG position it’s not even funny. Last year Jeff Teague was pretty much our only backup PG so he HAD to get minutes regardless of Coach’s view on Rookies.
slimjr
February 12th, 2011
10:32 pm
“NewsFlash” Northcyde, Southcyde,Eastcyde,Westcyde, Stick a fork in the Hawks, with 32 games and roughly 10 weeks to go till the playoffs,PLAYOFFS, the Hawks are officially toast!!! 6 straight 4th quarter meltdowns!!! Are you kidding me??? Next 11 are brutal, this team may go 3-8 over this stretch.. Forget about 3rd seed. That”s a wrap!!! 7th seed maybe??? Ouch!! LD start packing now! Why was JJ not guarding Capt. J????Huh?????? Wow…Whew. Up 22 points in the third quarter just crap!!!!!!Scored 14 lousy points in the 4th, because everybody started throwing up bricks. JC1 i believe shot 1-12??????? ………..I am done with this ish…………………..Insanity nothing changing around here!!! Insanity…………………..Where was Teague.Mike Bibby and JC1 can’t guard their shawdow and both were shooting blanks. ASGEEMen, the Hawks fans should get refunds…This this unbelievable………………………………………………………….Yawn……………………….
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
10:33 pm
Knicks win, Bulls win, Hawks lose. Hawks are still in 4th place, tied with Orlando in the standings but ahead of them by virtue of the tiebreaker. The difference between the Hawks and Bulls is now 3.5 games.
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
10:35 pm
Mike Bibby for Reggie Evans
SteveW
February 12th, 2011
10:35 pm
Jae Evolution – I know – I’m thinking JC2 needs some DLeague time if LD won’t put him in a game, even when we’re up 22. Surely he wouldn’t evaporate leads any faster than the starters have over the past several weeks.
And then LD puts JC2 in at the end of the Heat game….weird.
SteveW
February 12th, 2011
10:36 pm
Najeh – What’s your solution for this team? I know mine, but LD ain’t goin’ to come close it looks like. You got any ideas?
yodaddy
February 12th, 2011
10:38 pm
let the young boys play….that could be a nice change of pace and don’t yank them the first time they turn the ball over eithere
slimjr
February 12th, 2011
10:38 pm
@theTruth
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Wow!!! That’s Sund bent over…………..LOL 31+ yrs………………Whew…………………..
Worldwide Clyde
February 12th, 2011
10:40 pm
What’s the excuse tonight Hawks?
Guess everybody was ready to party at Mansion Elan tonight.
slimjr
February 12th, 2011
10:48 pm
“What’s the excuse tonight Hawks?”
Where were the Fans tonight?????? They should have guarded Capt. Jack on that fade away from 22ft from the leftside of the box.He probably would have missed the shot…….LOL Fans make some NOISE……………………………………..Don’t be surprised if the Hawks go 4-7 over the next brutal 11……………….Its gonna get real ugly round here………………………
cp
February 12th, 2011
10:48 pm
Other than having an “offensive system” I don’t see any difference between LD and Woodrow…This team still goes away from what gets them the lead, still sticks with unproductive vets, and still cant score in the 4th quarter. Teams know that when LD goes with the Bibby and Jamal backcourt just attack and attack those two. For some reason recently when LD has needed perimeter defense he has gone to the worst two perimeter defenders on the team….The Hawks need a trade but I don’t know if one is coming. It was reported a few weeks back that it was doubtful a move will be made. I honestly don’t know if this team will even make it out of the first round this year…..If the Hawks aren’t going to trade for a pg its time to give Teague a chance because they aren’t going to go anywhere with Bibby.
slimjr
February 12th, 2011
10:51 pm
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PRICELESS!!!!!!!! Sund in the football stance….LOL
rusty
February 12th, 2011
10:51 pm
I guess ld is showing all us bloggers who’s the boss.he knows we want jt to play so he will not play him. What a guy.
Hawks game vs Bobcats
February 12th, 2011
10:52 pm
threaten to make lineup changes, threaten to even make trades and they still have a horrible 4th quarter … some things never change, some things stay the same
slimjr
February 12th, 2011
10:52 pm
The way they are playing right now.Hawks get swept in the 1st round……
rusty
February 12th, 2011
10:56 pm
If they make it to the playoffs I am finally beginning to realize that jj is a big choker.
Ra'mon
February 12th, 2011
11:00 pm
Its funny with the Hawks that big leads normally leads to the Hawks losing. If the Hawks go up big early, they normally fold late, and lose the game. If the Hawks go down big early, they never rally to win or take the lead. After Joe, Josh, and Al, this team sucks (I’m including Jamal because most nights he suck on at least of the court (defense), and 2 out of 5 nights he sucks on the offense also. I didn’t get to see the game tonight. But it seems as if the Hawks went away from what was working so well in the first half (Josh in the post). Sometimes I feel like everyone in a suit needs to be fired, from the owners to management to the coaches.
slimjr
February 12th, 2011
11:01 pm
ASGEEMen, got an idea you want more fans in the GYM??? Huh???? Hire some shoe models and set some poles up because that will be far superior entertainment then whats appearing at the lowlight factory right now!
slimjr
February 12th, 2011
11:06 pm
“I still give the edge to the Hawks by basis of rest, being at home and the fact that they’re better,”
@Ken,
slimjr
February 12th, 2011
11:07 pm
“I still give the edge to the Hawks by basis of rest, being at home and the fact that they’re better,”
@Ken,
GOOD THING YOUR NOT A BETTING MAN OR YOU WOULD HAVE LOST A BUNDLE TONIGHT?
superiorblogman
February 12th, 2011
11:14 pm
This team is so depressing that they will not draw 15,000 fans a game in the playoffs. No sensible being believes in this team at this point.
prison mike
February 12th, 2011
11:15 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEW0bh0U1Q8
Already has hit the net, gotta love it. Also Jamal or Joe, one or both of them have to go.
Ken Sugiura
February 12th, 2011
11:15 pm
slimjr – ha ha. it’s a very good thing.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
11:22 pm
“Najeh – What’s your solution for this team? I know mine, but LD ain’t goin’ to come close it looks like. You got any ideas?”
Haha… depends on how realistic you want me to be. If the personnel can’t be changed, there’s only so much that can be done. It starts with LD reserving a seat on the bench for whoever brings the ball up any time the ball doesn’t go in the post. At this point it should be blatantly obvious to one and all that when the ball goes in the post, the Hawks play well, and when the ball doesn’t go in the post, the Hawks suck. There is no excuse for continuing to go away from the three things that work for this team — Joe and Smoove in the low post, Joe coming off screens, and Al getting looks in the mid range area. Any possession on which the Hawks don’t do one of those things is a failure.
At this point, I am also in favor of starting Teague for five games or so just to see what will happen. Maybe he sucks and definitively proves that he’s not the answer, but maybe he proves that he can be an upgrade over Bibby. It’s time to make that decision once and for all.
If the personnel can be changed, well… this, or this.
Grandad
February 12th, 2011
11:26 pm
I was unable to see the game.
All I know is:
(1) LD did not own up to his threat. [no lineup changes]
(2) Joe needs to be traded (for .50 on the dollar if need be).
Joe must go! Build around Josh & Al / get a Big & a pg / let’s play!
John Wooden always preached…..”balance”.
This team is unbalanced.
drmaryb has said all along – “too many pieces alike”. [unbalanced]
Joe is strangling this team!
I’m still mad from the Philly game!
slimjr
February 12th, 2011
11:26 pm
Teague and JC2 must get playing time before the playoffs. They will desperately be needed come playoff time.Bibby and Jamal are not cutting it! Sorry Hawks fans.They can’t guard themselves…………………
Ken Sugiura
February 12th, 2011
11:26 pm
FWIW, game story is up
http://bit.ly/dItuZp
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2011
11:31 pm
I wonder where Section 303 is. He said he would be at the season ticket holders’ meeting.
Rich
February 12th, 2011
11:35 pm
We need to put Teague into the starting lineup, whats the worst that could happen, I dont think that it could get much worse than this. Oh and everybody talking about trading josh smith is an idiot, he is clearly our most complete player.
Mike is back
February 12th, 2011
11:39 pm
Wow, I missed the game…same ole LD…ld and his predecessor still believe in that JJ, Bibby, Jamal lineup to close out games…no Teague…Yawn if you are a Hawks…and for u young Hawks fan without a family…try shelling out cash for two or four season tix…instead of one…now you start to get the picture…don’t fault the fans for the product on the court…they are looking for reason TO CHEER.
You matchup 6’6” Moe Evan on 6’9” SJackson…who has been known for to making clutch big shots…especially against his ole teams…well we know the rest…I’m out Hawks Fans.
FREE TEAGUE AND FREE JC2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
slimjr
February 12th, 2011
11:42 pm
“After going 4-4 in their past eight home games, the Hawks hope the road will be a refuge.”
@Ken,
It’s going to be a monster trip!! This is where they make it or break it Sir…….
slimjr
February 12th, 2011
11:58 pm
LD blew it tonight Bigtime!!! The BobCats went into the penalty with about 7 minutes left in the game so what do the Hawks decide to do? Hoist up perimeter bricks instead of driving to the rim to draw fouls..Big Dummies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Shot their load with blanks…Just sorry situation right now.
LD=Jim Mora( HC in over his head)
northcyde
February 13th, 2011
12:18 am
It was about this time last year in which the wheels were supposedly falling off the wagon. Then March came around, looking at a bunch of elite teams coming to Philips, and they took care of business.
No need for the panic button . . . yet.
I’ll say that we go 4 – 3 on the road trip, with wins over Detroit, Golden St, Portland and Phoenix. Depending of if a Melo trade happens, we may take that game too.
It’s the nature of this team the past 3 years. When people want to dirt on them, they always rise to the occasion. We’ll see if a shake up in the lineup is in order, or if the captains on this team fully take charge.
LOL @ rusty . . Jamal shot the ball like Betty White tonight, and you have the nerve to single out JJ ( who was horrible, no doubt )
@ Grandad . . JJ deferred to the rest of the team for 3 quarters, then tried to turn it on in the 4th. Problem was, he settled for the jumper. With the January that JJ had, we wouldn’t even be in the position we’re in right now without him.
He needs to play smarter though. There’s no doubt on that. But anyone suggesting a trade of JJ, Smith, or Al . . and not bringing in a better player . . are out of their minds.
We have an overall talent issue on this team that is rearing its ugly head in recent games.
Art Vandelay
February 13th, 2011
12:53 am
As it is currently constructed, this roster is HOPELESS. I’ve been a suffering Hawks fan for almost 35 years, and I’m reaching that horribly uncomfortable point of silently rooting against them because change is so desperately needed. I don’t consider making the playoffs a success, nor do I consider 50 wins an acceptable target, especially since this team was completely rebuilt from the ground up under Woodson. It’s absolutely inexcusable that nobody can even PRETEND TO CARE when the offense bogs down and everyone starts settling for jumpers for the 15th straight 4th quarter or whatever it’s been.
If a total meltdown is what it’ll take for Sund or the Anti-Spirit Group to get off their complacent butts and actually DO SOMETHING, then let’s have it. This team’s ceiling is exactly the same as it was last year — maybe win a 1st round matchup and then get blown out in the 2nd round by a team that knows exactly what we’re going to do, and gives us all the jumpers we want…while beating us by 20 every night.
SERENITY NOW!!!!
rusty
February 13th, 2011
12:56 am
Nortcyde jj will never bring us anywhere. It’s so funny how you say he deferred to the team for 3 quarters. He is back to his old ways,playing like crap & we will always hear you making stupid excuses for him & how the hell can you knock jt,he isn’t getting a chance to show how he can play. The crap you always say is he has to produce when he gets time( I want to gag) when the he’ll does he ever any real playing time. Your buddy mb gets plenty of time,what’s he bringing. I think your logic is a joke.
rusty
February 13th, 2011
1:01 am
Enter your comments here
truthspitter
February 13th, 2011
1:03 am
slimjr,
if you are going to be a troll, at least do it well
maavelous
February 13th, 2011
1:11 am
I Marv hereby proclaim tomorrow the day before Valentine’s Day as Maavelous Day. Ain’t I pretty when I swoops through the air with my size 17’s flopping in the breeze? Jordan has nothing on me. I Marv will be an all-pro this year for sure and you the lucky fans will spend a lot of money on season ticket renewals to see me even more Maavelous in 2012..
Worldwide Clyde
February 13th, 2011
1:13 am
Joe has signed a big contract and quit on the team. Rookies will play their azz off to get more money but veterans will quit when they get their money.
Worldwide Clyde
February 13th, 2011
1:15 am
Why is Mo Evans even playing? Damien Wilkens needs to get his minutes and we need to start dressing Etan Thomas and put Mo in a suit.
Worldwide Clyde
February 13th, 2011
1:16 am
Chris Crawford > Mo Evans
Fire Sund
Section 303
February 13th, 2011
1:40 am
Najeh, here I am.
I came home from the game and really wanted nothing to do with anything Hawk related. This team is a disaster.
Anyways…the season ticket meeting with Michael Gerron…
I have to admit this. I left the meeting kind of liking the guy. He seems like a good dude. He was kind of straight with us about things, but not as straight as Billy Knight used to be when he hosted these meetings.
Here are some highlights:
1. Gerron said that the Hawks are always looking into trades (he said this multiple times). As of right now, there is nothing that makes sense. He cautioned that so many teams in the past have made trades and gotten worse. He cited Orlando this year, whose record is either about the same or worse since their big trade. Also, Philly, back in ‘08, was seen as a team on the rise. Then they trade away Miller and Dalembert. Caused them to vanish from the scene (until last Tuesday, anyway).
2. He defended the ASG on the notion that they are cheap. The Hawks have the 7th highest payroll in the NBA (said this several times). He pointed out all the money they sank into Joe, Josh, and Al. He said the payroll grew with the team, which is what they planned all along.
3. Someone asked about a trade for a guard who could defend better. Gerron agreed that this was a weak area. But, again, said that they have not had a deal come their way that makes sense.
4. He praised Rick Sund for being patient and tight lipped. Pointed out that Rick Sund has made some good moves. Namely, getting Jamal Crawford for parts off the scrap heep (my words, not his). I still don’t like Rick Sund.
5. He said that he is frustrated that the city does not turn out to support the team at many games. Someone asked about the blowout losses at home. Gerron said that he truely feels part of the blame is lack of support. “We sometimes do not get the home court lift”. Hard to argue with that. He said that as a native of Atlanta he has seen all the teams struggle with attendance.
7. Also, he mentioned that Josh Childress simply did not want to play here anymore. He said that Josh saw himself as a starter. And, also mentioned that Josh hardly ever plays for the Suns now. I took that as a “told you so” comment towards Chills.
8. Said he likes the lineup with Twin starting.
If I remember anything else, I will post it. I really want the team to make some kind of trade. I understand the caution Gerron talked about. But, some teams have bettered themselves with deadline moves. They are not always failures.
Really, to me, I am going to lose a lot of faith if something is not done. I do not think there is a person who follows this team that does not think some type of change is in order.
Section 303
February 13th, 2011
1:45 am
One more thing…I see I did not write my #6 highlight. I thought it, but didn’t write it. Here it is…
6. Someone really ripped Bibby. The fan told Gearon that Bibby was “worthless” if he was not hitting his outside shot. And, that Bibby was a defensive disaster. Gerron told the guy he was being a little too hard on Bibby. That Bibby is a leader on the court/in the locker room. And, while he agrees that Bibby is not a “lock down defender”, he can still guard people.
What was funny about this was that Bibby was just out on the practice court before Gearon started. The court was split in half with a curtain. Bibby was on the other side shooting around. Would have been interesting had he been within earshot for the guy’s blasting.
Also…I never asked a question. Was not feeling it. And, besides, all my questions would have been about potential trades (like, are they going to make one). Gearon had already said, several times, that they have not seen a deal that works for them.
Section 303
February 13th, 2011
1:48 am
And, I realize I spelled Gearon wrong in my first post. It’s late and I am tired of being a Hawks fan at the moment. This lose was tough to take. I wish there was a pill I could take that would make me not care about this team.
rusty
February 13th, 2011
2:01 am
Nortcyde. One of our biggest problems is when jj try’s to take over in the 4 th, it almost guarantees a loss
Air Zaza
February 13th, 2011
3:05 am
Section 303, ask him about O.J. Mayo. He’s available at the right price?
slimjr
February 13th, 2011
7:34 am
Philly has won 9 of 12!!! Look out!
The Truth hurts………….spit that out……………
slimjr
February 13th, 2011
7:42 am
“Gerron said that he truely feels part of the blame is lack of support. “We sometimes do not get the home court lift”. Hard to argue with that. He said that as a native of Atlanta he has seen all the teams struggle with attendance.”
Lack of support??? Gerron your off your rocker if you really believe that horse sh**! Your Bi-polar team plays bad basketball in stretch and has monster melt downs in the regular season and playoffs and you blame attendance. You Sir are the biggest Troll in Atlanta. Just sell the freaking team if don’t like the support. I would not waste a dime on your product…No ECF visit in 24 freaking years and wont be for years to come……………I get it now Mr. Stern……There will be no Championships in Atlanta!! The Fix is in………………………………………..Yawn……………………….
Walter R. Terrell
February 13th, 2011
9:17 am
Time to play the young fellas. Lets see what Jeff Teague and Jordon Crawford have in their tank. Lock Joe Johnson in the small forward position, he’s the multi million dollar player. He should be able to produce from that spot. Damian Wilkins need to play more because he actually plays defense. Time to see how much gas Etan Thomas has in the tank, at least he bangs. No one has a clue as to why Mo Evans is playing at all. What is going to be done about “smoove”…even when he has a good game he still plays dumb. How can Marvin Williams be used correctly when his game is absent 80% of the time . Jamal Crawford is attempting to play some defense but when his shooting is off he becomes useless, he’s fast enough to get to the inside but I think contact bothers him. Mike Bibby has fallen to 2nd mebbee 3rd tier, essentially becoming no help at all. “Z” Pachulia just needs to bang and play and cut all that other chit out. LD needs to look toward the future now, this season will not be salvaged unless you call 41 and 41 a good season and that can happen playing the young studs and making some trades. The Hawks would fair better now getting draft choices and a few players that are as consistant as what we have in the talent pool now, mebbee not as atheletic but has a desire to win. Move now while the iron is hot and look toward next year.
2 FOR JOHN DREW
February 13th, 2011
10:25 am
@ TheTruth
I’m missing it …What’s that suppose to be ?