Horford still sore, Hawks lineup changes on hold

Jerry West

February 10th, 2011
1:43 pm

1st

Art Vandelay

February 10th, 2011
1:52 pm

Give Phoenix a copy of the roster and let them choose any three players they want for Steve Nash & Grant Hill. The only player who should be off limits is Horford.

rollow lawson

February 10th, 2011
1:56 pm

Poor excuse for a professional franchise. All this “lineup change” stuff is just lip service. I laughed when they talked about the distractions at home. What are they doing, looking up in the stands at their girlfriends? These dudes are less professional than I thought. They act like they are in high school. Grow up and go out and do your jobs.

Jerry West

February 10th, 2011
2:00 pm

Al & Marvin for Nash, G Hill, Lopez (& a pick?)

shake things up, get this team a leader/ PG, and have some room to make a play for 2012 FA like Paul or Dwight

ILL-Logical

February 10th, 2011
2:02 pm

OK ,here is a question for the faithful:
Why would a player who has earned ALL Star status at one position-in his 3rd year- won’t to play another postion and go so far as to have his father lobby in the press for the change IF he was focused soley on the “team”?
The bonus question is why would any team even contemplate that request when they don’t have a replacement for player A or since player A has been erratic at best when placed at his “natural postion”? For example see player A against Dejaun Blair who at 6′41/2″ dominated player A in a head to head matchup also see player A against Kurt Thomas in last year’s playoff match against the Bucks-the guy was 37!
And finally, this “sore back” thing is starting to look like an MRI is needed to identify the cure.

lewis

February 10th, 2011
2:02 pm

The Hawks like playing in front of crowds, it’s not a secret.

We play better on the road because 25 out of 28 times the away attendance is better than our home.

The crowd at the 76ers game was abysmal. As professional athletes who thrive in the spotlight, i’m sure it’s quite discouraging for them to see so few fans showing up for home games. Then they are left with the mentality that if no one else cares (including the organization, affirmed by lack of any changes in the off-season), why should they? Thus, complacency is bred from within.

We play terrible when rested because people guys party too hard and fail to work on their games every day to stay sharp. This also explains why a JUMPSHOOTING TEAM plays better on the second night of back-to-backs, when they have used the previous game to get their legs and shot acclimated.

As far as getting blown out, each team that has done it has had very quick guards. If you play pickup basketball regularly, you should understand that a lack of motivation to play defense if your point guard gets beat off the dribble every single time exists.

If your point guard (bibby) cannot stop the penetration from the other teams point-guard (boykins, dooling, jrue holiday, etc) the other members of the team have to expend twice as much energy on defense. So, after getting beat off the dribble and forcing the other 4 defenders to work twice as hard, the opposing PG’s slice right through the Hawks tired defense (refer to hawks blowout losses).

The Hawks knew this was the case, and without Horford and Josh covering for Bibby, the lack of people in the stands, joe having an off night, the rest of the team did not feel like chasing guards with which whom we do not have the personnel to defend.

Same thing could be said in terms of Bibby’s inability to penetrate on offense forces the team into working harder and settling for jump shots

Greg

February 10th, 2011
2:03 pm

Ownership by committee=losersville! Synonyms: Hawks;thrashers

Freshfromatl

February 10th, 2011
2:04 pm

Lmao @ LD lying to everybody.

Freshfromatl

February 10th, 2011
2:05 pm

Lmao @ everyone wasting their time here the last few hours discussing new lineups and trades.

Freshfromatl

February 10th, 2011
2:06 pm

Lmao @ anyone thinking change is coming anytime soon.

Devin

February 10th, 2011
2:06 pm

Marvin williams jeff teauge and a pick for ron artest and shannon brown

Freshfromatl

February 10th, 2011
2:07 pm

Lmao @ Mo Evan, Josh Powell, and Etan Thomas being NBA players.

K.W.

February 10th, 2011
2:08 pm

Should have known this was all talk.

Freshfromatl

February 10th, 2011
2:08 pm

Lmao @ Devin.

oranjucejonz

February 10th, 2011
2:09 pm

We all know that Sund will not make a trade.We are quickly becoming one of the worst franchises in the league if you consider whats going on from top to bottom…Im concerned about the future of our team being in the city much longer. The ASG are losing fan support daily.

Jerry West

February 10th, 2011
2:11 pm

Larry Drew for Jerry Sloan

Big Daddy

February 10th, 2011
2:12 pm

14 more days and it will all be moot. I think Sund may just decide to see how the CBA works out before making any changes. LD could do some shuffling in the lineup but with who. The only player on the roster who is not getting any burn would be JC2 and there are issues with him is the reason why he is not playing now. The starters are the starters because they are the best on the team. So, unless a trade is imminent we will probably stand pat and management will weather the storm of opinion.

Obviously, when you look at the top 10 teams, you won’t see anyone who has lost by the margins we have at home this season. Even the teams that had people out don’t lose by that much. It is really frustrating to read about players saying it is just one game. I don’t think they even believe that crap. Those losses speak to a more fundamental deficiency in the make-up AND coaching of the team.

GO HAWKS!!!! (sigh)

beone

February 10th, 2011
2:13 pm

Lewis, One of the few insightful posts I have seen lately. RE: lack of home crowds – Be Professional and earn your paychecks. RE: point guard play – Make a change preferably through a trade or at least with current personnel (and yes there are options, not good ones, but they do exist and should be tried before being dismissed). To continue to do the same thing and expect different results at this point is foolish/idiotic. It is what it is and we have all seen it for a long time. Sometimes you have to get worse to get better. But PLEASE TRY SOMETHING!!!

Section 303

February 10th, 2011
2:14 pm

I’m reading this and thinking that Sund/ASG told Coach Drew to chill on the trade stuff. He sounds like he is backing off that a little today. Which makes me think that my hopes of some kind of trade are all for nothing.

Anyone else reading Coach’s comments that way?

oranjucejonz

February 10th, 2011
2:20 pm

Teague,Marvin and ZaZa for Shannon Brown,T.J.Ford and Greg Oden

MsDee

February 10th, 2011
2:20 pm

LMAO @ Freshfromatl

Another GM

February 10th, 2011
2:30 pm

Folks the Hawks are not going to make any trades. There is a freeze on taking salary and all the talk about were are not making lateral trades and we will look at a trade if it makes sense is nothing more than trying to appease the fan base. So, dont worry about checking Hawksquawk, realGM, hoopshype, and the ajc because you are wasting your time.

MsDee

February 10th, 2011
2:30 pm

@section 303,

I notice that as well cause just when I was getting excited about the word ‘trade’ coming out of LD’s mouth the other day, I was put back into reality today with his comment, ” Drew said the team is NOT actively pursuing a trade but is in a stance of keeping its EARS open.” I would have rather read the words, ‘EYES OPEN, than EARS’. In other words, having your ears open is basically waiting on another GM to come to us with a trade idea rather than us keeping our EYES open to SEE if their is someone or players we would highly consider to offers a GM elsewhere.

Hoping not to dissect TOO much into these comments!

superiorblogman

February 10th, 2011
2:38 pm

Jerry Sloan has no NBA coaching job and Larry Drew does, LMAO. The Hawks should call Sloan right now and tell him they would like for him to be there coach next year.Larry Drew’s little ugly arse is worse than Woody and so is this year’s team. That stupid arse offense does not work to get anything other than jumpshots and Joe easy buckets on the backcut occasionally. Sund and the ASG suck goatballs. No trade coming damn these sorry SOB’s

mykhalc

February 10th, 2011
2:39 pm

only news is that Al is still hurtin’!!! all the ‘other’ info is regurgitated, here-we-go-again BS that somehow these players keep forgettin’ that they’ve used the excuses/reasons before!!! again, LD need to quit talkin’ about changes and make some damn changes!!! it still might result in a L but at least some effort ‘might’ actually show up on the court!!??!!

hawks_4_life

February 10th, 2011
2:40 pm

Jeff (Huntsville)

I know he is injured, but do yyou think the Hawks should try to trade for Mo Williams? They desperatly need a PG.
John Hollinger
(2:11 PM)

Yes, I think Mo Williams would be really good in the ATL but I’m not sure what Atlanta has to dangle. Jeff Teague? I don’t think that’s getting it done.

mykhalc

February 10th, 2011
2:43 pm

i’d threaten to send/trade the whole team to CLE…startin’ with Marvin!!!

superiorblogman

February 10th, 2011
2:43 pm

I am starting to think AL is soft also. I have tries to come back right before the all-star break so he can play in that game it is a sign that he is a fraud as a leader.

superiorblogman

February 10th, 2011
2:44 pm

I am starting to think AL is soft also. If he tries to come back right before the all-star break so he can play in that game it is a sign that he is a fraud as a leader.

hawks_4_life

February 10th, 2011
2:47 pm

Al a fraud, now thats the joke of the day.

Rufus1

February 10th, 2011
2:51 pm

Al’s power play…

This is about Al and Josh. This is a power play to force ASG to define this team as Al’s team.

We all know Josh and Al play best a PF and he is asking for Josh’s position. He knows that LD doesn’t think Josh can be an effective enough SF to justify starting him every game. He also knows the only way we get a decent center is to trade Josh.

There is only one player on this team who will challenge Al’s ASCENSION TO THE THROWN, that is Josh Smith. Joe doesn’t want to lead and no one else has the pedigree.

Al and Josh are our 2 best “trade chips”…so what will ASG do?

I do not subscibe to the idea that ASG won’t trade one of our PF’s because attendance is dropping and if we don’t make any changes, ATTENDANCE WILL BE WORSE NEXT YEAR.

Sautee

February 10th, 2011
2:55 pm

Ill-logical,

I think you are being a bit unfair to Horford, when you say he “won’t to play another position” when the vast majority of Horford’s minutes have come from the center position. He was also quoted in the off season as saying that the Hawks have a definite advantage with him at the 5 and Josh at the 4, and that they should take advantage of those matchups.

Another unfair thing is accusing Al of “go(ing) so far as to have his father lobby in the press for the change IF he was focused soley(sic) on the “team”?

Ill, do you KNOW that Al put his dad up to calling Sund? If you know that, please tell us how. None of the reports I’ve found about those calls mentions anything about Al’s involvement. So to say he put his dad up to it is somewhat slanderous unless you have a source.

Look man, if you don’t like his game, that’s one thing, but you are attacking his character, so please tell us your source for this attack. And if this is just all your opinion, tell us that too.

hawks_4_life

February 10th, 2011
2:59 pm

JJ (Atlanta)

So do the Hawks also have “an incredibly bright future”?? Will they make “more aggressive moves” as well?
John Hollinger
(2:55 PM)

No, as I keep writing, they seem weirdly content to go 47-35 every year. Hope I’m wrong about that. But the other issue is that they don’t have a ton of trade assets right now. They’d basically have to move Josh Smith if they really wanted to shake things up.

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
3:07 pm

LD got news for ya, Al is going to be gone for awhile!!! I would not be surprise if he out the next 10 games which will spell disaster for the Hawks!!! You guys are going to get drilled on that 7 game road trip next week without Al..Oh well so be it…..Couldn’t happen to a nicer organization………..

hawks_4_life

February 10th, 2011
3:09 pm

JJ (Atlanta)

Would Smith and Bibby for Nash and Hill make sense?
John Hollinger
(3:01 PM)

Smith and Teague is the deal that the Suns would at least have to think about. Probably should have slipped that one into today’s column too, but if Nash went to Atlanta I’d be spending all my time finding acceptable burger joints for Marc Stein, and I can’t squeeze that in to my day.

JJ

February 10th, 2011
3:11 pm

Josh and Teague for Nash and Hill. Move Al to the 4. Marvin and Bibby to the bench. Start Nash/JJ/Hill/Horford/Twin

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
3:11 pm

As long as Rick Sund is at the helm as GM, the Hawks will be toast!!! I won’t waste time or a dime going down to the low lite factory……

Rufus1

February 10th, 2011
3:12 pm

Back injuries are tricky…

Marvin was soft when he hurt his back, is Al getting softer?

JJ

February 10th, 2011
3:12 pm

Huh…Hawks_4_Life beat me to it.

SteveW

February 10th, 2011
3:13 pm

I noticed that Coach LD was playing Al alot more minutes, and that may be contributing to his injuries:

Al played 45 and 46 minutes on the 15th and 17th of Jan., then sprains his ankle on the 18th.

LD then plays Al 39, 45, 40, 36, and 42 on Jan. 26, 28, 29, Feb. 2 and 4 and he injures his back.

If Al is going to take a beating down low playing the 5 most of the time, his mpg needs to be limited. I think there is a correlation. To put it another way;

Al had not played 45 minutes in a game this season until Jan. 15th. and he did it 3 times in 8 games since then.

Al played 40+ minutes 6 times in the first 40 games of the season, he then played 40+ minutes 5 times in 8 games, and playing 39 and 36 in two of those other games, while getting injured in the middle of that Miami game.

LD – Get a good back up for Al, please!! Save the guy for the playoffs.

dirtyo11

February 10th, 2011
3:13 pm

I think they need to go out and get Nene and J.R. Smith or Gortat and Petitrus for Marvin Williams and Mo Evans and 2nd rnd draft pick. We don’t develope our picks anyway and J.R. Smith is better shooter, play better D and grittier than Evans. Evan is looking slower by the minute & we all know that M Williams is a tab bit better than a D league player.I know Petitrus and Gortat would love to stick it to Orlando after Orlando did them the way the did
Bibby & 1st. rnd pick for Devin Harris or Mo Williams. I know Petitrus and Gortat would love to stick it to Orlando after Orlando did them the way the did
C-Gortat or Nene
PF-Horford
SF Smith
SG-Johnson
PG-Harris or Mo Williams
Bench:Crawford, J.R. Smith or Petitrus, Zaza, Teague
This is a team that could compete with any team in the league. We get in trouble when our startes and Crawford go cold. The trade will bring bench players that can get hot plus play D and it will also bring in speed and big men that can play in the middle.
LET’S DO IT….THIS WILL PUT US IN THE EASTERN FINALS AGAINST BOSTON……..PLEASE SEDN THIS TO SUND EMAIL ADDRESS WE TIRED OF LOSING

Rufus1

February 10th, 2011
3:14 pm

hawks_4_life

We want Nash and Gortat…Throw in ZAZA

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
3:17 pm

“LET’S DO IT….THIS WILL PUT US IN THE EASTERN FINALS AGAINST BOSTON……..PLEASE SEDN THIS TO SUND EMAIL ADDRESS WE TIRED OF LOSING”

Per drmaryb: Sund does not have a computer on his desk.

.He’s not paying us any mind.. Stop going to games then you’ll get his sorry attention….

SteveW

February 10th, 2011
3:17 pm

If I’m the Suns, and I start rebuilding, and the Hawks offered me Josh for Nash and Gortat, I jump at that offer. Make the Suns take Bibby and Mo’, and you actually have a little less contract money out this year and next, which ASG should like, and a much better team.

But I hate to lose Josh….

JJ

February 10th, 2011
3:17 pm

Hell No to anything that puts Josh at the 3.

hawks_4_life

February 10th, 2011
3:19 pm

THE POST I MADE WERE NOT MY SUGGESTIONS BUT ONLY WHAT I FOLLOWED REGARDING US ON HOLLINGER’S CHAT. I personally feel we need to make a move, just dont know what.

JJ

February 10th, 2011
3:20 pm

Hawks_4_Life:

They were actually my suggestions. I kinda like them. Makes the Hawks a MUCH better team.

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
3:23 pm

Read my Lips “Sund is not making any trades.” He is set with his “core”..He compares his Hawks to the Spurs…

This guy needs to tighten up those loose screws in his head…..A cordless 12v will do it…..lol

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
3:24 pm

The move the Hawks need to make asap is to FIRE SUND!!!!
Thanks JeJe……

Double Zero Eight

February 10th, 2011
3:25 pm

Sund has no plans of approving a trade. Drew knows he can not
complete a trade without Sund’s and ASG’s approval. Read between
the lines. We are being delusional if we believe that Sund will
approve a trade of any consequence that is an upgrade.

newkid

February 10th, 2011
3:26 pm

LD’s comments are straight out of the chump’s (i.e., Sund’s) tired playbook. Oh something’s afoot for sure. Sund realized last night that the rhetoric he had LD spew yesterday could compromise his bargaining position in a couple deals he’s working, so he had Drew ‘revisit’ the rhetoric today. Boy would I love to sit on the opposite side of the table from this chump in a high stakes game of poker. He’s the epitomy of transparency.

STRETCH

February 10th, 2011
3:30 pm

RUFUS,,

Your 2:51 is right on the mark my friend!

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
3:31 pm

790 the Zone two lives stews are reporting that DWILL caused Jerry to resign..They got into an argument in the locker room last night.. DWILL is pissed at everbody for their downfall this year!! Jerry was overrated any way but he was better than any Hawks coach past or present.Also the assistant coach Jerry Jr. quit also….Sund and LD need to quit…………..too…..

Rod from College Park

February 10th, 2011
3:34 pm

ILL-Logical,

I have to agree with your post. You made some valid points. Remember, Al is the only leader on the team. (LOL)

Sautee,

I think the points are valid. We have not heard from his dad in the media since he has been here. Why now? Al is an all-star center, not power forward. You know I like Al, but this new revelation that Al is the leader of the team, and everything should revolve around him is absurd (NOt saying you said that). He is the 2nd best center in the eastern conference, and he would be the 5th or 6th best power forward in the east, just like Josh.

hawkville

February 10th, 2011
3:35 pm

Coach the entire team instead of catering to individual players.

Dr. D.

February 10th, 2011
3:39 pm

Send Joe pack-in. Joe to NJ for Favors/Murphy/Draft picks. Jamal/Zaza to Orlando for J. Rich. Take a step back & be a playor in the summer. Al and Josh are the defensive back-bone add to that group. Play defense/rebound change the approach. A front line of Favors/josh/Al is a good start.

northcyde

February 10th, 2011
3:39 pm

I don’t want to see Horford play until the All-Star game. Just sit out these remaining games vs teams we should beat anyway, and be ready for the All-Star game and the west coast road trip. No need to even play him for another 2 weeks. Save him for the stretch run.

hawks_4_life

February 10th, 2011
3:54 pm

Dr. D. that solves nothing, with Al at center we are still small up front.

Astro Joe

February 10th, 2011
4:00 pm

Man, LD could say that he is going to return in time and stop ‘Nique from being traded and some of you all would laud him for 5 days. Then he will come back and say he couldn’t find the right batteries for his time machine and you’ll be picking up your faces (again). Sounds like a whole lot of back-tracking to me. He must have looked at his options during practice and realized that his first 6 players are about 500 miles ahead of the rest of the team.

Get well soon, Al.

I MUS WRITE

February 10th, 2011
4:01 pm

From the last blog- KS are we watching the same player, Teague deserves the minutes he’s getting. this is a big boi league and you hv to earn playing time. Besides being fast what has he done to earn Bibbys playing time. if terague could run a team and actually shoot the ball he would get minutes.
LD gave him the reigns in preseason and early in the year but the man just doesnt have it right now -maybe he will get better but im not holding my breath.

Watch how the offense moves when teague is in vs JC1 or Bibby……..

Somebody mentioned it earlier but T Prince/Will Bynum for Marvin and filler would be a good move.Too bad detroits front office knows that marvin stinks……Dam

Trojan

February 10th, 2011
4:03 pm

Will someone write an article titled, “How can the Hawks management NOT make a trade to improve this horribly imbalanced team?”

I MUS WRITE

February 10th, 2011
4:03 pm

Get well big al we need you homie…….. Did i mention mo evans is hot garbage. i dont think he would stand out if he were playing for Georgia tech right now…..DAM

Rufus1

February 10th, 2011
4:06 pm

“He must have looked at his options during practice and realized that his first 6 players are about 500 miles ahead of the rest of the team.”

Astro…sad but true.(Lol)

I MUS WRITE

February 10th, 2011
4:06 pm

DING DING DING-Ladies n Gentlemen we have a winner ……….Trojan collect your prize

MC probably doesnt want to ruffle any feathers so that article probably wont happen, besides they might band the man from the facility etc and we immediately go back to 14 /15 page blogs

I MUS WRITE

February 10th, 2011
4:08 pm

BAN

Rufus1

February 10th, 2011
4:11 pm

Great interview..

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2011/2/10/1985751/larry-drew-needs-to-do-more-than-talk

KevinM

February 10th, 2011
4:13 pm

Sund=puppet and Gearon=puppetmaster…Larry isn’t getting any help….he probably told the ASG he can bring out the best in these guys, and he’s about to have a team that will be booed unmmercifully going forward if they can’t find some consistency.
You would think we were 19-30 instead of 30-19…

I MUS WRITE

February 10th, 2011
4:14 pm

What is the obsession with Nash and Hill- they are 37 abd 38 years old ….just stop it

KevinM

February 10th, 2011
4:14 pm

Correction: 33-19

Doesn’t matter, 4th seed at best, probably a 6th seed when playoffs start.

ILL-Logical

February 10th, 2011
4:17 pm

My point in this discussion is to determine why ASA is seen as indispensible with redpect to the improvement of the team. To clarify my earlier post why would a 2 time all-star want to change positions if the team is having success with him at his current position? He can’t be doing badly if he is an all-star and the team has improved their record since he was named a starter at the center position. So in my mind I see a personal agenda at work.

Now most of professional sport is for entertainment purposes only so egos will be a major part of the equation from the top to the players. But ASA has been packaged as the ultimate team guy-the ant- NBA stereotype if you will. Now all of a sudden ,beginning last summer -after his less than sterling play in the playoffs- he starts with the I’m really not a center and I need to play my natural position stuff.
Now his father is in the mix. Did he ask Tito to this; don’t know but I haven’t heard ASA say Dad:STFU!
So here we stand , ASA with the ink barely dry on a brand new $ 60 million contract complaing. SMH

I MUS WRITE

February 10th, 2011
4:21 pm

Joakim Noah/ Brewer for JC1/Smoove/ZAZA

drmaryb (*_*)

February 10th, 2011
4:21 pm

Back To The Future!

Yeah … Slimjr …. Sund needs to go upgrade his scouting tools! Does he even know what a PER is? Where is he getting his information from a Stork at his window! Aye Sund! Get yourself a hard drive and “Come Back to The Future!”. Man!
____________________________

“I noticed that Coach LD was playing Al alot more minutes, and that may be contributing to his injuries:

Al played 45 and 46 minutes on the 15th and 17th of Jan., then sprains his ankle on the 18th.

LD then plays Al 39, 45, 40, 36, and 42 on Jan. 26, 28, 29, Feb. 2 and 4 and he injures his back”
___________________________

What in the world does this have to do with a turned ankle or a hard foul?
When Al goes to the bench for a 2-Foul Rule? They B!tch!
When Al plays more minutes? They B!tch!
_______________________

I guess, they are just B!TCHES!

mykhalc

February 10th, 2011
4:22 pm

this is just how bad the ASG and Sund are…even if trades are made SOMEHOW they will still own the majority of the salaries of the players they just traded!!! /sarcasm SMH

hawks_4_life

February 10th, 2011
4:25 pm

I think DWILL would be a perfect fit for this team, that said we would have to part with JSmith, dont know how I feel about that.

Rufus1

February 10th, 2011
4:35 pm

STRETCH

This has been discussed for a couple of years on this blog, who’s team will this be Al or Josh. THE TIME FOR CHANGE IS COMING!

One of the least talked about issues on this team is a DEFINED LEADERSHIP STRUCTURE. So when things start to fall apart, who will you turn too for direction.

Their is only one person on this team who we refer to as “BOSS” or “LION”…Is that a subconscious acceptance of his leadership….I don’t know, but my money is on him.

O'Brien

February 10th, 2011
4:37 pm

I MUS WRITE,

”What is the obsession with Nash and Hill- they are 37 abd 38 years old ….just stop it.”.

Nash is 37, but he is averaging 17 pts and 11 assists per game. Hill is 38 but he is averaging 14 and 5. So don’t let age fool you…

O'Brien

February 10th, 2011
4:41 pm

Ken Sugiura,

It sounds to me like LD is backpedaling already. Thats why he should not have said anything. he just needs to go out and DO something.

He has said all the right things from his introductory press conference including;

1) Less jumpers for Josh until he establishes himself in the post (has not happened imo)
2) More accountability on defense (guard your man or else). Has not happened imo.

Rufus1,

Thanks for the link. For those who havent listened to the Jason Walker interview, its a good listen.

craig

February 10th, 2011
4:45 pm

WHY NOT GO AFTER IVERSON….. he want to be wanted and the hawks has a want! we’re ashamed by the crowds and lack of efforts (Bibby). please show this to the ashamed coaching staff…. we need; not want, Iverson

craig

February 10th, 2011
4:47 pm

and I forget to mention, he’s available (Iverson)

Dr. D.

February 10th, 2011
4:48 pm

Hawk-4-Life, eliminating Joe’s and Jamal’s contracts would free us up salary to OVER-PAY for Deandre Jordan in free agency. A front line of Josh/Al/Jordan/Favors is mean both 1st and 2nd unit. If Josh gets out of line let him sit for a while. You can get shooting guards, heck J-Rich will stick around for peanuts.

craig

February 10th, 2011
4:49 pm

Joakim Noah/ Brewer for JC1/Smoove/ZAZA

FROM I MUST WRITE,…. ARE YOU CRAZY

drmaryb (*_*)

February 10th, 2011
4:51 pm

Trading Places!

Why would Utah trade an All Star PG for a PF/SF? Josh is Kirelenko reincarnated and kirelenko is paid gobs of money before he disappeared. The already got a great PF – Al Thornton? … They don’t need Josh, but they do need their PG!

Uggggh! Ok I’m done here! Sund isn’t looking to make any trades? That means he does not have a Green Light to operate! No money!
__________________

To hell with the ASKG! I’m done cheering and jeering! I’m outy!
My pro football team is getting ready to play Dallas Diamonds in TX in a few weeks!
__________________

Good Luck Hawks Fans! Have Fun being Entertained.

Just give me reason to turn this car back around?

terrell

February 10th, 2011
4:51 pm

Different tone today, huh Drew?

terrell

February 10th, 2011
4:53 pm

So what if they play well on Sat, will he still make the NECESSARY changes to lineup?

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
4:54 pm

This road trip will be huge for the Hawks!! They could be a third seed or a 6th seed afterward…If I were a betting man I’d pick the latter….Especially if Al can’t go which would not surprise any of us..That was a much worse fall than Marvin’s and you see how long he was out,10 games….

Get ready folks it’s fixin to get ugly………

bigdave

February 10th, 2011
4:55 pm

Jason Walker: “w/ out Al Horford back there to mitigate the damage that penetration creates”

lol.
———–
“trade Josh ” left and right..

you trade Josh and watch the oppositions pts in the paint sky rocket. im not sure who you guys feel will protect the rim once you trade the EVIL Josh Smith.. the best damn (team) defender we have.

smh.

craig

February 10th, 2011
4:55 pm

A trade not needed, just pick up Iverson

terrell

February 10th, 2011
4:57 pm

lol! The players didnt even know about the threat of trades and lineup changes. This team is something else.

Brian

February 10th, 2011
4:57 pm

In years past I would go to 10-15 Hawks games a year…………haven’t been to one yet in 2010-2011. I am disgusted with the Atlanta Spirit Group. These guys have no right to own an NBA team, it is a complete mess and we are the laughing stock of the owners in the NBA. I say go ahead and make some major changes via trade because the roster we have right now is at salary cap capacity (thank u Joe Johnson) and we will never make it past the 2nd round with what we have today! Damn, I can’t believe we paid Joe Johnson money like he is Kobe or LeBron!! That move alone will set up back for 6 years!!

proffish

February 10th, 2011
4:58 pm

I love the statement: “four good players and a lot of filler.” http://www.hawksquawk.net/community/index.php/topic/354912-hollinger-on-hawks/

It’s funny that idjits think someone on this team not named Joe, Josh, Al, or Jamal is worth anything in trade. You could make a better argument than none of these four players would bring equal value back. And none is going to bring two good players in exchange.

That means if Rick Sund pulls off a trade, it will have to involve some combination of filler for someone who can become a top five player on the team. That’s a challenge.

I think we’re heading toward another blow up the team and rebuild. That will mean losing the small loyal fan base that exists in Atlanta, but might give the millionaires who own the Hawks a chance at building something of value and saving lots of dollars while they wait.

As an aside, when the party talk starts, I think of Zaza first. He was once a very serviceable 1 off the bench and occasionally had impact. He can’t even seem to hold onto the ball any more. He needs his head checked for damage first, then his work ethic and lifestyle challenged. When the Hawks were featured on ESPN during pre-season a couple years ago, he was an embarassement, obviously working hard not to work.

terrell

February 10th, 2011
4:58 pm

And why do you guys always ask sorry azz Mo Evans questions? I mean really! He’s the LAST person I want to hear from.

Brian

February 10th, 2011
4:59 pm

to everyone setting up mock trades involving Joe Johnson…………not gonna work! No NBA team will take him for his 6yr/120+ million dollar contract. He is ours for keeps Hawks fans!

terrell

February 10th, 2011
5:00 pm

LMAO @ Art. Give Phoenix a copy of the roster……………. Now that was funny.

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
5:02 pm

I can get free tickets and I am not going down to the low lite factory. Plus I could probably out shoot half the scrubs on that team….Yawn……………….My remote works great!! NBA TV is a good for ya…….

bigdave

February 10th, 2011
5:02 pm

and another thing..

i just watched LD interviewing days ago on Hawks live about a “sign” that the “team is beginning to gel”

smh. which is it Coach? yet, “i’ve been having this feeling for a while now.. i dont feel totally comfortable w/ where we are after 52 gms… we’ve had some bad losses @ home, that may be a (sign)”

terrell

February 10th, 2011
5:02 pm

Can we hire Woody back as the Home coach? LD can be the Coach on the road. Might work.

terrell

February 10th, 2011
5:04 pm

Or maybe we should shoot for a lower seed? That way we wont have homecourt advantage. Just a thought.

northcyde

February 10th, 2011
5:04 pm

I Mus Write . . . I agree with you. I hope for everyone’s sake that Teague lives up to people’s expectations. I hope that at the very least, he can be a defensive alternative at the PG position.

All I know, is that while he was in college, he didn’t run his own college team, nor was he known as a good on the ball defender Yet, people toss out Rondo and Deron Williams as the level of PG he has the potential to be.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

The guy playing well in blowout situations is not indicitive of how good he can be. Heck, Salin scored 24 pts in a quarter once. Shelden averaged a double-double in April of his rookie year . . when JJ went down and the Hawks were completely out of it. Zaza had an 18 rebound game @ Miami in the playoffs 2 years ago ( which probably led to that contract he got ).

Sporadic great play means nothing. Consistently doing the job night in and night out means much more. That’s the argument against Marvin, right?

If Teague is unable to take advantage of Bibby struggling, and parlay that into proving that he deserves more PT, then the dude might as well stay on the bench.

I’ve said from the jump that Jordan Crawford shows more leadership skills, and frankly more playmaking skills, than Teague.

Drew can only do so much with this personnel. So he’s the guy that I blame the least.

Rufus1

February 10th, 2011
5:16 pm

northcyde

I agree with you that JC2 shows more leadership than Teague and is probably a better fit for LD’s system…. I just don’t want Bibby to start or on the floor playing more than 15-20min.

I will accept JC2 as the future PG, but I can nolonger accept Bibby.

Nba?

February 10th, 2011
5:22 pm

Atlanta has an NBA team??????? Since when?

Her's the trade

February 10th, 2011
5:26 pm

Lakers have Gasol don’t need Bynum trade Smith even up for Bynum move Hoford to PF Johnson to SF Teague and crawford in the backcourt

superiorblogman

February 10th, 2011
5:28 pm

Well since Sloan is gone, why not make a call to see if they want to blow it up?

Utah gets: Josh Smith, Jamal Crawford, Jordan Crawford, and Jeff Teague and as many 1st round picks as they want since we are so shi++y when it comes to making picks.

Hawks get: Deron Williams, Raja Bell, CJ Miles, Fesenko

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6c8fghe

New lineup:

Deron Williams/Bibby (look to trade him though)
Joe Johnson/Raja Bell/Mo
Marvin/CJ Miles/Damien
Horford/Powell
Fesenko/Zaza (look to trade him though)

I know it’s not gonna happen, but you could never tell me that Jerry Sloan would not be coach after today.

Rod from College Park

February 10th, 2011
5:28 pm

I’d love to hear what the Josh attitude haters are going to say about Derron Williams. His coach, the great Jerry Sloan, who runs a true motion offense, who most on this blog thing is great, but has never won anything, called a play, and he ran another play. He made Sloan so mad, he has decided to resign. I guess Derron Williams should be put in the Josh Smith attitude category now for disobeying his coach. LOL

Don Mohow

February 10th, 2011
5:36 pm

Some of you people are absolutely out of your minds with trying to criticize Al for not coming back yet after that insane fall. Most of you probably wouldn’t even be walking after that. It amazes me how people sitting around on their sofas and their recliners can call a guy like Al soft. Do you remember how much time Marvin missed with his back injury which occurred on a much less severe fall? The back is not something to play around with.

Most likely, the team is being cautious. Think about it, would you rather Al rested his back enough that he was able to come back without limitations, even if costs the Hawks 2-3 losses, or would you rather he come back early, at 50% percent and not be able to help the team as much, meanwhile aggravating the injury and causing him to miss more time in the future? I’d rather trade off a few losses for Horford’s health than have him come back early and potentially cause 10+ losses in the future because he has to sit out major time after aggravating an injury that was never fully healed. Think before you post those thoughtless comments. And, unless you are a professional basketball player who plays 82 games each season and plays through injuries, don’t call any NBA athlete soft.

Jae Evolution

February 10th, 2011
5:38 pm

You guys throwing out these blockbuster trades WILL NOT HAPPEN, I’m sorry. Josh Smith, Al Horford, and Josh Smith will not be traded, unless we hit a homerun and get a lot of players including a superstar that make our lineup A LOT better.

northcyde

February 10th, 2011
5:48 pm

@ slimjr

People will get mad at me ( including yourself ), when I say that you’re part of the problem . . . but you are.

Because if you can get free tickets, and you still refuse to go to the games, then why should the ASG do anything?

I’m against how ownership is running the team from a basketball operations standpoint, but I do understand them being tight fisted with their money ( even though we have a top 10 payroll ).

It’s like I said yesterday. If a lot of the people who are complaining on this board, don’t even go to the games, there’s really no incentive for the ASG to do anything, other than what THEY want to do.

It would be like a person constantly complaining about a city councilman or mayor, but didn’t even vote in the election. You can complain, but that person you’re complaining about isn’t going to take you seriois, because you don’t even vote.

Some of you in ATL need to understand that while this isn’t a great, or an “elite” team . . they are a good team. A good enough team for the so-called “true fans” to go out and see them whenever possible.

We are only 3 years removed from this team not even being a .500 team. We’re light years better than we have been in 10+ years. We’re not a contender, but we’re good enough for people to go watch.

So when people like yourself say that you wouldn’t even go to a game, even if you had free tickets . . why should the organization or the players care about what guys like you think of them?

Why do you think JJ, and Josh, and even Drew and Al have alluded to the team not worrying about the size of the crowds at Philips? Because they know that only a few thousand fans actually care enough to go to the games. The city as a whole could give a damn about the Hawks, despite them being a #4 seed and now being a perennial playoff team. It won’t be until they bring in a big name, or win a 2nd round series, that the city MIGHT take notice

northcyde

February 10th, 2011
5:58 pm

LOL . I prepaid for a $40 ticket to last Friday’s Clipper game, but couldn’t make it because of bad weather between Nashville and Atlanta, and because of an eye exam that damn near had me half blind for most of the day.

That was a 4 hour drive that I was going to make, plus gas, JUST to see that game.

And you’re talking about how you wouldn’t go to the game, even though you can get FREE TICKETS?

Man please.

Some of you fans bash this team like were the dang Cavaliers or something.

And people wonder why the players have just as much apathy toward the fans, as the fans have toward the players?

Who in the world wants to play in 1/2 empty arenas 40% of the time, despite the Hawks being a good team?

That’s why if I were ownership, and knew that this team couldn’t win a title, I’d add those over the hill, but popular players like T-Mac and Iverson, just to see if I could make a few more dollars.

The franchise makes excuses. The fans make excuses. The players make excuses. And people wonder why this town never sees its share of championships?

It is what it is on ATL.

Sautee

February 10th, 2011
6:00 pm

Ill-logical,

First, thanks for clarifying that this is your opinion.

Next, about this: “Now his father is in the mix. Did he ask Tito to this; don’t know but I haven’t heard ASA say Dad:STFU!”

Why would you hear about that if Al said it to his dad?

I get your point, but speculation of that sort is not only useless, but is something of a false accusation without some kind of proof that Tito was “working for and with the knowledge of his son”. We simply don’t know. And we likely won’t.

Veteran Fan

February 10th, 2011
6:10 pm

Please trade Josh and Zaza to the Timberwolves for Kevin Love. Then Bibby and Jamal Crawford to the Suns for Nash! Finally, Marvin, Evans and #1 pick to the 76ers for Elton Brand! Nash, JJ, Brand, Love and Horford. Fast and tough on the boards other than Nash good defenders! Teague learns from the best and Jordan, Wilkins, and Collins get more minutes! Suns get Crawford’s expiring contract to help them rebuild and Timberwolves get Mr Highlight to sell tickets!

SWAT Native

February 10th, 2011
6:13 pm

How long to the All Star break? I said when I saw Al hit the floor that he wouldn’t be able to play in the All Star game and Smoove would get to take his place. I think it may still come true.

t_height

February 10th, 2011
6:16 pm

Did Joe just say “we have to block them out”. I know he is talking about the fans. I can’t believe he just said that. What if the fans just block this damn team out then how will you be getting paid the money you are making now. This dude really got something against the fans.

Sautee

February 10th, 2011
6:17 pm

Veteran Fan, you must be a veteran fan of fantasy leagues, ’cause in the real world, none of those trades would EVER happen.

I mean, Marvin, Mo and a #1 likely in the twenties for E. Brand? Why would the Sixers do it?

And who plays the 3, Love or Horford, LOL!

At least make your trade proposals within reality, please.

Bird

February 10th, 2011
6:29 pm

If Sloan was anyone else, he would’ve been fired years ago.

KevinM

February 10th, 2011
6:33 pm

Hey, looking at a top PG list doled out by bleacherreport.com, I got to thinking if the ASG won’t attempt to go get Billups, who is giving 15ppg/5apg so far, how about inquiring about Tyreke Evans? Remember it was Sac-town that inquired about Teague and somehow we end up bringing in another King PG who is not having the greatest soph year so far.

Has Sacramento decided they need another PG? Bleacherreport has him valued as the 13th best, ahead of #19 Billups. He comes much cheaper as well. They are giving him an average of 5M for his current 4 yr contract. He might be that type of PG that Larry likes in his offense.

superiorblogman

February 10th, 2011
6:36 pm

Seriously, I am not a fan of Josh at all, he is a 6″8 or 6″9 SF/PF whose best asset is he blocks shots. That’s it, I would much rather have Thabeet than Josh, Thabeet will learn to block shots before Josh will learn how to quit taking stupid shots and just being a weak minded being.

Thabeet, Conley, and Arthur

for Josh Smith, Jeff Teague, and Josh Powell

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4qfsgjc

Grandad

February 10th, 2011
6:48 pm

Thanks Mr Sugiura for the update.

Evidently two things have occurred:
(1) ASG told LD to get with the company line;
were not looking at trades, blah, blah, blah
but if we see one that will make us better blah, blah, blah
(2) Al’s back inj

# 1 – he has little or no control / sad to say.
# 2 – he does but he cannot let Al’s inj dictate his mandate of line-up change.
He must go ahead and yank a knot in their [the team's] tail,
even if he has to bring in Pape Sy and start him at pg over somebody ???.
*And then – he would get immediate attn if he benched Joe. (for a whole game)
(one would need a pair of brass nuggets) Maybe this is his cross-roads as a coach?

People will say – “that’s too drastic’ – really?
If your a real Coach; either you’re in charge or you’re not – right?

You can talk about it or do it and once you threaten but don’t back it up;
the players will realize your a fraud!
Man up LD, I’m in your corner.

vava74

February 10th, 2011
6:49 pm

Rod,

I expected that you would and you did came on cue to defend the little punk.

Deron is FAT, turning the ball over like hell and playing well below previous year’s level.

Sloan is a great coach. Greatness in a small market was not enough to win it all but was good enough to:

23 seasons, 20 playoff appearances, 2 finals appearances losing to Jordan’s freight-train-Bulls.

Funny enough, the other day you said that Macgrady, who never managed to get pass the fists round of the playoffs was not a loser… Scoring champion and money was your criteria for greatness.

Ah ah ah ah!!!! Nice to see your standards!!!

drmaryb (*_*)

February 10th, 2011
6:51 pm

Tyreke Evans is another Black-Hole. The knock on him is he flat out refuses to pass the ball to his team mates. Also, has a really bad attitude problem.
Not a very nice guy, is what I read. Otherwise, why would Sac-Town want to get rid of their ROY @ PG for another project like Teague (a tweener)?
_____________________

I think Rafer Alston went over seas, he had a lot of thug in him and issues with the police, some domestic violence issues too. But, he was the original “hot sauce” that played for The Magic, before being ran outa’ the NBA.

Too bad, Rafer was a really nice point. I heard Houston was not serious about shipping out Aaron Brooks either. They want a lot back for hik as well. Devin is not leaving NJ either, only if it was for Melo. Maybe Andre Miller is still available? Iverson has a serious drinking problem. Too bad Stackhouse is not a PG, he really wants to play here. Could he play SF though?

Man, what can we do? Who can we get? Just let Teague play and some JC2 I guess. Doesn’t look like a trade is coming here anytime soon.

vava74

February 10th, 2011
6:54 pm

About Al’s father:

I’m 99% sure that I read somewhere that they hardly speak since Al has been raised only his mother.

So why would Al ask his estranged father to whom he is hardly connect to lobby for him?

Nonsense. Pure and simple.

Veteran Fan

February 10th, 2011
7:14 pm

Sautee, you are probably right about the Brand trade, it was a stretch. Maybe a better scenario is Marvin and #1 for Mayo and JJ can move to 3. But even if it didn’t happen JJ could play the 3 or Marvin. Just as long as we got Al some help that can shoot and rebound not grab his crotch and whine at the officials on every call! We can’t get rid of JJ until the Nets or Knicks get in a panic, but we can ship his partner in crime out of town to the Suns for a real pg who can show our young one how to play! We are over half-way through the season and the old problems are surfacing! Bibby is too tired to shoot well, JJ doesn’t care enough to show up and earn his money every night, Marvin is disappearing, Al is banged up, and Josh is hanging around on the perimeter and acting like a fool!

Grandad

February 10th, 2011
7:18 pm

The bitterness and virulence toward Al is without merit.
If anyone thinks he is milking this injury,
then he or she needs to go back and watch the fall.
It’s still amazing that he got up and “won” the game.
Two free throws in case you forgot.
The kid from Ohio State last year, similar fall, broke his back.
We are very fortunate that Al is **only** sore.

Ramon

February 10th, 2011
7:23 pm

Veteran, Al is only averaging less than a rebound more than Josh is. And Al gets more opportunities to rebound than Josh does, because Al is the only one assigned to attack the offensive glass. While its Josh responsibility to get back on defense. Also Al hangs on the perimeter more than Josh and shoot more jumpers a game than Josh. Josh averages more points in the paint than anyone on the team.

Ramon

February 10th, 2011
7:27 pm

Grandad, I don’t think at all that Al is milking the injury. A back injury is one of the things that is a ‘wait and see how it feels in the morning’ type injuries. But with how long its taking him with the back injury, that’s even more of a reason not to trade Josh. This one play could end up having Al hampered for the rest of his career. How many dominant seasons did T-Mac have after first hurting his back seriously? I think after the first time, he started missing minimum 15-20 games a season because of his back in Houston. We can hope for the best, but also understand that this is a very serious injury. Anyone on here who feels Al may be milking it clearly doesn’t know Al.

Clyde

February 10th, 2011
7:35 pm

Blah, Blah, Blah

Told you Drew wasn’t goint to make any changes. He’s not allowed to.

drmaryb (*_*)

February 10th, 2011
7:41 pm

Coach Killer!

Word on the street, DWill ia a coach killer.
One player said, “Everyday Sloan would look his players in the eye from #1 to #12 and shake their hand!”. Everyday! A stand up guy.

What coach would want to coach DWill now? Allegedly, DWill went to the owner and put a wedge between the coach and owner. A real backstabbing punk, if that is true. IDK about Deron now. Not a very honorable character who maybe lacks integrity? I wouldn’t go to battle with a guy like that!

Last time I heard “Coach Killer” was from Jim Mora, SR re: Mike Vick and Mora, Jr.
Not a good label to bear. I’m just wonderin’

Aye Tye Corbin, better get a knife proof vest or leave Utah next season!

Grandad

February 10th, 2011
7:45 pm

I just read about Coach Sloan.
Good for him.
Bad for the game.
The tail can’t wag the Dawg!
Everyone’s gonna say;
“It’s a players league” – scream it now – “It’s a Players League” !
Screw it:
It’s a TEAM game!
I’m gonna scream it:
It’s a Team Game !
-again-
“It’s a TEAM game”
-and-
The Coach coaches and the Team plays.
The Coach is in charge and the team minds the Coach.
*Otherwise you have anarchy.

Pay attn LD.

Rod from College Park

February 10th, 2011
7:46 pm

vava74,

“Rod,

I expected that you would and you did came on cue to defend the little punk.

Deron is FAT, turning the ball over like hell and playing well below previous year’s level.”

I would expect you to talk bad about all above average NBA players. Derron is a fat punk, Jordon Crawford can do what Jamal does easily, McGrady is a loser……. I’m starting to see a theme here. Let me ask you this question. What is your opinion of Dan Marino? What about Jim Kelly? Are they losers also?

Rod from College Park

February 10th, 2011
7:53 pm

drmaryb,

“What coach would want to coach DWill now? Allegedly, DWill went to the owner and put a wedge between the coach and owner. A real backstabbing punk, if that is true. IDK about Deron now. Not a very honorable character who maybe lacks integrity? I wouldn’t go to battle with a guy like that!”

Any coach in the league not named Jerry Sloan. Sometimes when you do things the same way all the time and it doesn’t work, changes should be made. I would relate it to Woodson. Stand up guy, but stubborn. Sloan may be a great coach, but he has never won anything. D. Will might have realized that if things continued the same way, he would spend the rest of his career doing the same thing, and never getting a championship. I would take him on the Hawks in a heartbeat, and fire any coach not named Jackson, Popovich or Rivers. Coaches are replaceable, great players ain’t. See Lebron.

Rod from College Park

February 10th, 2011
8:16 pm

Guess the Marvin pick was not so bad. Derron Williams is a coach killer and Chris Paul knees are shot. Maybe Billy Knight aint so bad. LOL

Grandad

February 10th, 2011
8:21 pm

Rod from College Park

“Sloan may be a great coach, but he has never won anything”

“Coaches are replaceable, great players ain’t. See Lebron”

The 1st quote and the 2nd appear to contradict based on the fact
that Lebron has won nothing more than has Mr Sloan.
Or to put it as you did;
Lebron “has never won anything”

Should have picked a different player to make your point,

“If the glove don’t fit – you must acquit”
-Johnny Cochran-

lewis

February 10th, 2011
8:27 pm

lol @ rod 8:16

lewis

February 10th, 2011
8:32 pm

Marvin missed weeks due to a lesser fall,

I expect al to be out 3 weeks.

Rod from College Park

February 10th, 2011
8:40 pm

Grandad,

I think you interpreted it wrong. Great coaches can be replaced. It happens all the time. Great players leave and teams become terrible. Lebron left, Cleveland went from Best team in the NBA (record wise) to the worst team in the history of sports. Had nothing to do with Lebron being a winner. Same thing happened with Chicago after Jordan, Lakers after Magic, Celtics after Bird……..

Rod from College Park

February 10th, 2011
8:47 pm

Orlando after Shaq, Denver after Melo, Houston after Hakeem, Knicks after Ewing….. Hope you understand what I mean. I think you can be a great team, and not win the championship. Let me just put that out there.

drmaryb (*_*)

February 10th, 2011
8:48 pm

Hot-Rod!

You are probably right that after 23 years and 1,240 some odd wins – it was time for a CHANGE in Utah. But, a well respected ans stand up guy like Mr. Sloan deserves the respect and dignity to leave on his own terms.

The owner just offered him a one year extension 72 hours ago, so what happened in 3 days, that he couldn’t finish the season and make a Championship Run? Didn’t he deserve to make his last run?

There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. This just feels wrong to me!
_________________________

Word from a player is that the player and coach were close to physical blows, fist-to-cuffs? Mr. Sloan is nearly 70 years old, how do you justify hitting GrandPa? That is just wronge! And disrespectful!
_________________________

If you don’t believe me, ask My Grand-Daddy!

What’s up Grand-Daddy? I Love You baby, how you durin?
Oh! And I love me some Rod from CP too!

My B-Berry just died … Later fellas!

Rod from College Park

February 10th, 2011
8:52 pm

Grandad,

Also no disrepect to coach Sloan. He is a great coach, but the fact is he has never won a title, and he’s old school. I it didn’t work with Stockton and Malone, I would ventue to say that it won’t work with Derron Williams and Al Jefferson.

Oldtimer

February 10th, 2011
8:55 pm

drmaryb i am glad you are not gone. Sometimes, staying and talking helps the hurt

Rod from College Park

February 10th, 2011
8:56 pm

drmaryb,

I agree. If that’s what happened, it doen’t feel right, but we don’t know the whole story. Old man or not, as a man, if you disrespect me, you might get your block knocked off. Coach Sloan is also very chippy, and aint scared to mix it up either.

Grandad

February 10th, 2011
8:59 pm

Rod from College Park

i knew what you mean’t,
I just figured using Lebrat was a bad example,
seeing as how – he ain’t won nuthin’ either.

I wasn’t arguing neither, only havin’ fun.

I’m still mad as heck @ the Hawks candy ass players!

Grandad

February 10th, 2011
9:01 pm

I didn’t realize until I read it moments ago;
Al was out,
In both our home blow-outs!
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

lewis

February 10th, 2011
9:03 pm

Yeah, Al josh and Joe are the only one capable of making the rest of the team feel more confident so if they are out or having an off night, this team plays helpless

Grandad

February 10th, 2011
9:05 pm

Lewis

I don’t know if that holds true for Joe.

lewis

February 10th, 2011
9:06 pm

Watched Biedrins play last night, Al is a better on both ends of the floor so cancel those rumors

Sautee

February 10th, 2011
9:08 pm

Rod,

I’ll take exception to this: “Sloan may be a great coach, but he has never won anything.”

Six division titles, Two Western Conference Championships.

Is winning the Finals EVERYTHING, Rod? If we won the ECF would you STILL say we had won nothing? Why do ALL teams fly their division and conference banners?

C’mon, man tell me there’s something in between.

Ramon

February 10th, 2011
9:20 pm

Sautee, Rod, Drmary, and Grandad, first good evening to you all. Sloan’s biggest problem during his career has always been the location of his team, Utah. If Sloan was the head coach in NY, LA, Miami (wouldn’t that be scary), or even Orlando, he’d won a title by now. Other than Boozer, the last big named free agent to go to Utah was…? Not too many players will willingly agree to spend half of their year in Utah, because there is no market, night life, nor family near by. San Antonio is the only small market team to really win titles in the NBA. And that’s because they had the fortunes of being able to draft two of the top thirty 7 footers in the history of the game (great debate, who legacy is better David or Tim’s). So I wouldn’t say Phil, Pop, Riley, nor Larry Brown is a better coach than Sloan. Sloan’s loyalty was his biggest downfall.

Sautee

February 10th, 2011
9:22 pm

Ramon,

Good point about location, location, location.

I MUS WRITE

February 10th, 2011
9:39 pm

Obrien- they are great players but hill has maybe 1 yr and nash 2….Not worth the trouble to me/

Craig – yeah that was a horrible trade huh? i got caught up lol

Ramon

February 10th, 2011
9:50 pm

I Mus, that equals 3 years. Thats 3 years more than any one else on our bench. And Grant will drop from 14 and 5 to nothing, in less than four months? wow.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 10th, 2011
10:44 pm

“I would much rather have Thabeet than Josh, Thabeet will learn to block shots before Josh will learn how to quit taking stupid shots and just being a weak minded being.”

This is probably the single most idiotic statement I have ever read on this blog, and that’s saying something. By this logic, might as well trade Al Horford for Kwame Brown since Kwame will learn how to hit mid range shots before Al becomes 7 feet tall.

EmirS.

February 10th, 2011
10:46 pm

No matter who you bring in to start, fact wont change that you still wont go deep in the playoffs without a good bench. We are stuck like this until we make a major trade with one of our 3 All-Stars.

What really aggrivates me is that so many of you are making these ridicouls trades of sending 2 or 3 players away and in return getting only one back. That wont work for you, I’m sorry. We need to be the ones sending 1 player away and in getting 2 in return. If that means cutting someone to meet roster demands, then so be it.

You can get a PG, you can get a C, but in despite of either or both, you still dont have a supporting cast to back up the starters.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 10th, 2011
10:52 pm

“The franchise makes excuses. The fans make excuses. The players make excuses. And people wonder why this town never sees its share of championships?”

Oh please. Here we go again blaming the fans. The Hawks have been in this city for over 40 years and HAVE NEVER BEEN TO THE CONFERENCE FINALS, let alone won a title. Aside from a few fleeting years in Nique’s prime, when has this team EVER made an effort to cultivate a loyal fan base? We have a GM and ownership group who thinks their fans are idiots — the only possible explanation for saying things like “Bibby is in his prime” — and would rather maintain the status quo of being the 5th best team in a 4-team conference instead of trying to win a title.

The Braves for 15 years tried to win titles, and the fans supported the team until it became obvious that they were no longer going to make an effort to remain among the league’s elite. The fans supported the Falcons when they had a superstar and support them now that it looks like they are headed towards becoming an elite team. The Hawks play in the most superstar-driven league out of all the four major sports, and not only do they make no effort to acquire a superstar or build a championship level team, but they pass on multiple superstars in the draft, pay a guy who is clearly not a superstar like he is one and try to dupe the fans into thinking he is one, and expect people to show up.

I’m a die hard fan — or, from another point of view, a sucker — and I’ve been a Hawks fan all my life, so I watch games and go to games and get on this blog to whine about them when they inevitably end the season on a bad note. But for the vast majority of Atlanta sports fans, who never warmed to the Hawks in the first place, what incentive is there to follow a team that has no superstar, no hope for winning a title, and no plan to improve upon their current role of 2nd round whipping boy?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 10th, 2011
10:57 pm

“It’s funny that idjits think someone on this team not named Joe, Josh, Al, or Jamal is worth anything in trade. You could make a better argument than none of these four players would bring equal value back. And none is going to bring two good players in exchange.”

The other players on this roster can be traded if the Hawks are willing to take back equally bad contracts. I have posted a trade on here before that involved the Hawks sending Marvin and expiring deals to Detroit for Rip Hamilton. Problem is, when you have an ownership that is unwilling to go into the luxury tax, these kinds of trades are not going to happen.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 10th, 2011
11:01 pm

“Joakim Noah/ Brewer for JC1/Smoove/ZAZA”

Chicago won’t trade Noah for Smoove if they won’t trade Noah for Anthony, but this is one of the few Smoove-for-a-center trades that would actually improve the Hawks (as opposed to making them worse or keeping them the same).

I don’t get what people see in Biedrins and Gortat. Biedrins has never anchored a good defensive team, is constantly injured, and makes 36% of his free throws, and Gortat in his first opportunity to get big minutes is averaging a whopping 10 points and 7 boards a game for a team whose defense has, if anything, gotten worse since he was acquired. These are the people who are supposed to solve the Hawks’ lack of a center?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 10th, 2011
11:06 pm

“I think DWILL would be a perfect fit for this team, that said we would have to part with JSmith, dont know how I feel about that.”

I’d trade Smoove — or Joe or Al for that matter — for Deron Williams in a heartbeat. Williams would be the best player on this team instantly if he was acquired.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 10th, 2011
11:11 pm

“Evans believes the team’s success on the road and recent problems at home have to deal with a difficulty in playing as a unit at Philips Arena. The Hawks have an “us against the world” attitude on the road, but not at home.”

Maybe we should start booing them at home.

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
11:33 pm

““The franchise makes excuses. The fans make excuses. The players make excuses. And people wonder why this town never sees its share of championships?”

Oh please. Here we go again blaming the fans. The Hawks have been in this city for over 40 years and HAVE NEVER BEEN TO THE CONFERENCE FINALS, let alone won a title. Aside from a few fleeting years in Nique’s prime, when has this team EVER made an effort to cultivate a loyal fan base? We have a GM and ownership group who thinks their fans are idiots — the only possible explanation for saying things like “Bibby is in his prime” — and would rather maintain the status quo of being the 5th best team in a 4-team conference instead of trying to win a title. ”

Well said Najeh…

When the Hawks step up. I’ll step up, @northcyde……………Until then, not going spend $3.30/gallon to ride down there to the yawn factory..Already know the out come…

Al maybe gone for the next Month, after that very nasty fall!!
It’s going to get brutal for the Hawks without Al..
Al is going to be missed more than JJ was because the schedule gets real now….

Atlgent

February 10th, 2011
11:34 pm

@ Najeh Davenpoop

You are one of the very few that always makes sense! And I do mean very few…

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
11:38 pm

Trade JOSH,MARVIN,JC1, picks whatever you want.1st born, cash for DWILL yesterday. He would instantly become the best player on the team by miles……………………..and miles……………………….
The next Walt Fraiser!!!!!LOL

vava74

February 10th, 2011
11:39 pm

Rod,

Lame arguments again:

Preamble: I’m not American so I had to research a bit.

A) to reach the playoffs in the NFL is more difficult than in the NBA.

B) Marino had 10 postseason appearances in 17 years including a superbowl loss against Montana’s SF.

C) Kelly led the Bills to 4 consecutive superbowl appearances.

D) Although both never won it all and came up short in the big stage, both reportedly played with heart

You cannot even begin to compare.

Mac never got past the first round WHEN he got to the playoffs.

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
11:42 pm

Too bad Najeh not the Hawks GM.. Probably won 2 Championships by now..LOL

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
11:48 pm

If Josh had played college ball, he’d be an allstar by now..Too bad he really could have used the time to grow up, mature and really learn the game…

lewis

February 10th, 2011
11:50 pm

Billups, Anthony, Afflalo for Joe, Marvin, Bibby, Jo Crawford and Mo Evans

lewis

February 10th, 2011
11:50 pm

Billups, Anthony, Afflalo for Joe, Marvin, Bibby, Jo Crawford and Mo Evans

darrell starks

February 10th, 2011
11:51 pm

BIBBY, MARVIN, ZAZA, AND 1ST FOR BIEDRINS, ELLIS
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

February 10th, 2011
11:53 pm

STARTER ELLIS, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, BIEDRINS
BENCH TEAGUE, JAMAL, DAMIEN, POWELL, COLLINS
RESERVE MO, ETAN
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

KevinM

February 11th, 2011
12:00 am

Man, if you could move that Joe Johnson contract, that would free up so much cap. Then JC1 leaves, you have flexibility like no other. 45M and you go get yourself a new backcourt.

And Barkley is saying what I have said for so long…Denver is a Top West team as configured, if they could rid themselves of the Melo drama.
Get past this deadline, and they may start playing much better together.

And for those who don’t like the defense Melo doesn’t play, you need to know that our offense as constructed is not going to get it done.

I am so ready for a fresh face or 2 in our starting lineup…and I don’t mean promoting the bench we have.

darrell starks

February 11th, 2011
12:00 am

I have been screaming for this trade since last year and now since warrior’s drafted curry, the trade make more sense for both team, warrior’s get a young smallforward in marvin and a banger with zaza plus a 1st round pick,
hawks get there point guard and there center.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

Toledo Mud Hen

February 11th, 2011
12:06 am

Al is the equivilent of Jesus Christ with Hawk fans. Maybe on par with Buck Williams or Bill Laimbeer on an average day. He’s certainly no Karl Malone, Duncan, McHale or Barkley. He can’t guard anybody. Can’t post-up. Can’t defend the post.

Oh, but he can shoot a pick-and-pop midrange jumper. Whoop -tee-dooo.

Al really isn’t the problem, though. The problem is that Al, no better than he is, is what Hawks fans have to cling to. Pathetic.

darrell starks

February 11th, 2011
12:11 am

WARRIORS WITH THAT TRADE HAVE MAYBE 14# PICK PLUS OUR MAYBE 24# pick.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

Grandad

February 11th, 2011
12:22 am

Open for discussion: [ trade Joe ]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4vnsq62

Houston might even go for it?

cp

February 11th, 2011
12:54 am

LD would have been better off saying nothing. i guess we will continue to watch Bibby get beat into a coma on the defensive end

Najeh Davenpoop

February 11th, 2011
1:30 am

Grandad, I like that trade for the Hawks, but I don’t think either team will accept it.

rusty

February 11th, 2011
1:30 am

SoWhats al being out have to do with still starting mb,you suck ld

Roundfield on Roundball

February 11th, 2011
6:34 am

Lewis is dead on about the atmosphere at Philips. Deadsville. Hell, I don’t go. Too expensive. Games are on TV. Tuesday night against the Sixers? Half the fans there were probably asking “Where’s Iverson?” It translates into a lack of effort amongst that segment of the Hawks roster always looking for an excuse to mail it in. Too many Mailmen on this team and in the organization.

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Mike is back

February 11th, 2011
7:58 am

Ken Surg, I have not been able to see much or blog much of late…However, the guy I thought that had so much magic and swagger is really starting sound like a rookie coach…dude need to go back and review footage when he was first announce as HC…what a difference a day make.

Now you can’t make a personnel decision because one of your players is injured…jeeeeez…like I said…it’s becoming comical to listen to LD constantly contradict himself.

Sad things is…if his so called new lineup…hinges on AL so much…it probably not going to be that much different…anyway.

As much as I have voice my displeasure with young Teague…I still think Teague is the answer for LD…you want to radically change the makeup of the team…hoist young Teague into the starting lineup…what the heck…Bibby will physically continue to decline…he can say what he wants…his days are numbered as a starter…it is simply to physically demanding on his body.

Absent a trade…gone and throw Teague in fire and get it over with…and make these selfish vets accountable for him when he is on the floor…maybe that will make them play as a team.

I didn’t even put any caps in this one…cuz this is just a pipe dream. lol

Peace Out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robert

February 11th, 2011
8:05 am

all you people saying trade Josh are idiots.He’s the only player on the team that is exciting and worth watching.Without him the team has no defense.Trade Joe for Melo,then we can stop dribbling the ball for 23 seconds and heaving up a last second shot.

Westurd

February 11th, 2011
8:21 am

Eff you ASG/Sund. Sick of your crap. Call me when you care. Can’t read anymore “no news” from you turds…..and I want my money back for the ishy product you sold me!

Westurd

February 11th, 2011
8:22 am

Hey Roundfield……you don’t happen to be Dan or Chris cause I know both those guys can ball.

Trojan

February 11th, 2011
8:50 am

The Hawks management should note how passionate the blog people are with the mere mention of a trade to IMPROVE the team.

doc

February 11th, 2011
9:13 am

mike grewat comments on LD. on the other blog before the backpeddling i suggested, is this rant frustration or panic? he seems to have lost that composure. two weeks ago, rotations set, line up set, i know what i got. now it is a totally different vibe.

KevinM

February 11th, 2011
9:16 am

Grandad, best trade idea you have had yet! We get our new backcourt, we remove ourselves from the Joe lottery, and we get a defending SF and put Marvin on the bench.
What’s so funny about that trade is that it immediately knocks 10 games off the Rockets success. Houston does have to do something though.

What about those reports that the Bulls need a SG? Do we tease them with JC1 at this time of the year? Would they give up the big man Asik because his minutes go away when Noah comes back.

KevinM

February 11th, 2011
9:18 am

If Joe leaves, who does Sund annoint as the chosen one? That would drop us to 2 captains.
Interesting to think about to have Martin and JC1 share time at the 2 and JC1 backing up Lowry.

Oh to move the albatross contract of Joe…..that would be magical!

O'Brien

February 11th, 2011
10:31 am

KevinM,

JJ’s contract isn’t that bad right now. Wait until year 3 and 4.

I’m glad the hawks kept him, but I wish we could have gotten him for a 5 year Max deal instead of the 6 year Max. And our 5 year Max would still have been more money than the Knicks or bulls 5 year offer.

KevinM

February 11th, 2011
10:51 am

OB, I agree, its fine now, but those latter years is going to really hurt this franchise. I don’t disagree that Joe is good for this team, but when you are talking about cap limitations, that contract is cap challenging to continue to grow this brand moving forward.
We will continue to have gaps of talent because we will be paying 2 PFs and 1 SG the most on this team going forward. You’re paying these 3 just under 45M for the next 2 seasons. That leaves you finding 9-10 more roster slots at 20M….that is going to be a major challenge going forward. Our bench will never be any stronger than it is today.

I am more for balancing the salary structure, but at the same time, I don’t think our core 3 is strong enough come playoff time.

If somehow we can get to the 3rd seed ahead of Chicago, I would call that a small victory for Larry and his new systems he has installed. To get to the top 3 should not be discounted, but it is all about the playoffs and what happens there.

I just feel the majority of this blog is in agreement that there is little chance we make any noise in a 2nd round based on what we have seen this year. You get to the 3rd seed, then you have something there. You avoid Orlando and Chicago in Round 1, you get a home court advantage if you consider that an advantage with this team.

I understand we’re young and we’re inconsistent, but we shouldn’t be so inconsistent and like someone said earlier, you have to compensate for any player loss you team incurs. I think it has been proven at this point that Al is the one most missed on game day.

ag

February 11th, 2011
10:56 am

Looking at the Hollinger Rankings, the Hawks are ranked 18th. Several below .500 teams including Indiana, Philly, & Houston and ranked higher than them. One thing that points out, their average winning percentage of teams played is .460 , the lowest out of all teams. So the Hawks have are 33-19 – based on that weak schedule. The second half of the season will tell us who the Hawks truly are

lewis

February 11th, 2011
11:01 am

47-35 – regression sucks

ag

February 11th, 2011
11:11 am

Again, the rookie coach needs to give his best Josh impersenation by grabbing his and making a change to the lineup. Again, we are not playing fantasy basketball, so you guys can kiss those trades away. He needs to start Teague and possibly bring Marvin off bench. Maybe we will leave Marvin in and see if he does better with Teague.

Tremaine

February 11th, 2011
11:12 am

What does Horford injury has to do with Bibby looking like an old man out there. Getting beat on the pick and roll and scoring 5 points a night can’t be to hard. “GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE!”

KevinM

February 11th, 2011
11:18 am

ag, I think we all know who these Hawks are; they have played well enough to be considered in the top 4, yet their up-and-down results also tells you there are way too many issues on this team to make any noise in the playoffs.
This looks to me like a graceful exit come the first couple of rounds. I don’t think the 1/2 court offense has improved that much and we know where the defense is…you have too many teams able to do anything they want.
I’m glad Sund and Gearon are satisfied; its a shame that there may not be any noise in Philips come the playoffs.

Double Zero Eight

February 11th, 2011
11:20 am

LD should do as Bobby Cox did. Cox told Chipper Jones
he was giving him a few days off to rest him when he was
mired in a slump. Drew should tell Bibby he is giving him
2 games off to rest his weary legs.

If Sund was the GM, LD was the coach and ASG
owners for the Celtics when Rondo was drafted, Rondo
would still probably be coming off the bench and they
would still be assessing if he could play the PG position.

Tremaine

February 11th, 2011
11:23 am

Ev’rybody’s talkin’ ’bout
Lakers, Celtics, Heat, Magic, Spurs, Bulls
Kobe, Lebron, Wade, and Garnett
All we are saying is give TEAGUE a chance
All we are saying is give TEAGUE a chance

KevinM

February 11th, 2011
11:27 am

To add to those Teague supporters, if he isn’t the answer, then GO GET SOMEONE ASG!! How tough is this to understand?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 11th, 2011
11:29 am

“Looking at the Hollinger Rankings, the Hawks are ranked 18th. Several below .500 teams including Indiana, Philly, & Houston and ranked higher than them. One thing that points out, their average winning percentage of teams played is .460 , the lowest out of all teams”

Those rankings also take into account scoring margin, and the Hawks’ few blowout losses skew that number by a lot. I don’t really think scoring margin is that indicative of anything, but evidently the NBA statheads disagree. But between the SOS and the scoring margin, it’s not too surprising that Hollinger’s computers rank the Hawks so low.

Rufus1

February 11th, 2011
11:34 am

Why Al is SOOOOO important

15th in the league in P.E.R
Highest W.S(win share)7.5 on the team.
Highest EWA(estimated wins added)10 2nd only to D12

Al is more valuble than any other player on the team…Period!

IF I COULD DO ANYTHING AT 58% OTHER THAN SHOOT FREE THROWS, WHY WOULD YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE!

superiorblogman

February 11th, 2011
11:52 am

Najeh Davenpoop

February 10th, 2011
10:44 pm

“I would much rather have Thabeet than Josh, Thabeet will learn to block shots before Josh will learn how to quit taking stupid shots and just being a weak minded being.”

This is probably the single most idiotic statement I have ever read on this blog, and that’s saying something. By this logic, might as well trade Al Horford for Kwame Brown since Kwame will learn how to hit mid range shots before Al becomes 7 feet tall.

Look at yourself. You post more than anybody and never make sense. Just a bunch of wishy washy foolishness. You are as shallow as Rick Sund and the ASG, you deserve each other. I spoke of 2 people Josh Smith and Thabeet. With your logic might as well trade Obama for Reagan even though Reagen is dead. I spoke of specific people, smart dumb guy. I stick to my statement

Que Nique'

February 11th, 2011
12:15 pm

Get Melo’ in here and extend his contract! At the least check and see if maybe the Nuggets are stupid enough to take Joes’ contract.

Tremaine

February 11th, 2011
12:26 pm

Rufus1 is important because do you see anybody else on the team get football tackled like that and getting up and making the two free throws. Definition of a champion.

Sautee

February 11th, 2011
12:41 pm

superior(sic)blogman,

Thanks for letting the rest of us know where you stand. Now I know to just take drmaryb’s advice and just get my scroll on when I see your name. cya.

O'Brien

February 11th, 2011
12:43 pm

KevinM,

To me, thats the biggest issue with the ASG. It’s not that they are cheap. Its that they dont spend their money wisely. And now they are locked into long term deals with Josh, Al, JJ and Marvin, with very little financial flexibility to improve the bench. And they need a starting PG.

And to make matters worse, the new CBA will probably lower the salary cap, so going forward, they will have even less money than they do now.

O'Brien

February 11th, 2011
12:46 pm

This was MC’s blog on Feb 1.

Now, though, Drew says the “normal” lineup will be Bibby, J.J., Marvin, Smoove and Al. Twin will get in only when the Hawks need to counter beef on the frontline.

“Right now if there are any adjustments with the lineup it will be because who we are playing and we decide to go big or if I have someone who is hurt,” L.D. said.

L.D. added that he considers his rotation to be pretty much set after 48 games.. Based on what’s happened lately, that would mean Jamal, Zaza, Damien and Mo will get regular playing time while Teague, Powell and Twin will get in where they fit in.

“I’ve got a good feel for where we are right now,” Drew said...

So on Feb 1, LD has a good feel of where the Hawks are. On On Feb 9, this was from MC’s blog;

Drew didn’t sound like a coach who was simply ticked at his team for a bad loss. Rather, he sounded like a coach who has come to realize that sending out the same players in the same roles is good enough to be on pace for 52 Ws but isn’t going to lead to a much better ending for the Hawks than last spring.

“I am not one to react on emotions but I have had this feeling for a little while,” L.D. said.. “I have been in situations where it has been like this, where a team has had to do something just to shake the cage a little bit. It’s something I’ve been thinking about..

So how long was he thinking about it? 8 days? Since he decided on his regular lineup, and saying his rotation is pretty much set, the Hawks played 4 games.

So are his comments about change based on 4 games? I don’t think it is, because the Hawks have been up and down all season. He also mentioned looking at trades, but then he said they are not actively looking at trades.

So while he says a lot of the right things to the media, he may need to choose his words more carefully, so he doesnt look like he is backpedaling or being indecisive.

Sautee

February 11th, 2011
12:57 pm

O’Brien,

I agree, but I think his hands are tied to a degree.

Pen-is A Lotta

February 11th, 2011
1:07 pm

Marvin Williams, Mike Bibby, Josh Powell, and Jason Collins for a ham sandwich and two tickets to the opera

Pen-is A Lotta

February 11th, 2011
1:08 pm

lol@myself…i’m a funny guy

Najeh Davenpoop

February 11th, 2011
1:21 pm

“I understand we’re young and we’re inconsistent, but we shouldn’t be so inconsistent and like someone said earlier, you have to compensate for any player loss you team incurs.”

The sad thing is, considering that players enter the league at age 19 and 20 now, the Hawks are not even comparatively that young anymore. The time when the Hawks could point to organic growth from within as hope for the future is over. They are pretty much what they are, barring Smoove learning how to use his right hand or Horford developing a go-to low post move.

Worldwide Clyde

February 11th, 2011
1:26 pm

Free Jordan Crawford

Tremaine

February 11th, 2011
1:26 pm

Najeh Davenpoop, Horford is the only player on the team that you can see improvement from.

superiorblogman

February 11th, 2011
1:29 pm

Players are not entering the league as young as they used to because they have to go to college or somewhere other than the NBA for atleast a year now. On the other hand, the Hawks have clearly peaked as constructed. Next, Jamal Crawford’s affect on the team is blown way out of proportion. He may have translated to 6 wins if you want to give him all the credit for last year, but Bibby was much more important, a full year of Bibby added about 10 wins if you want to give him all the credit. Jamal should have been traded along with Josh Smith whose defensive affect is blown way out of proportion. If we got rid of the ballhog and the mental liability we would be a much better team.

Tremaine

February 11th, 2011
1:31 pm

Worldwide Clyde, Jordan Crawford did look good at times last game but just like Teague. He can’t get no experience on the bench.

Tremaine

February 11th, 2011
1:32 pm

superiorblogman, have you seen Bibby lately?

superiorblogman

February 11th, 2011
1:36 pm

Tremaine

February 11th, 2011
1:32 pm

superiorblogman, have you seen Bibby lately?

Learn to read, I am not talking about lately. I am talking about gauging how much better a single player really made the team. When they picked up Bibby midseason, he helped get them in the playoffs. The next year, they improved by 10 games with a full year of Bibby. Jamal played a full year last year and the improved 6 games. These are facts, not the things you guys state over and over like have you seen Bibby lately? State a fact, like Teague is better than Bibby then let’s talk, but the fact is Teague is not better than Bibby and the fact is Crawford had less of a positive affect on the team than Bibby.

Tremaine

February 11th, 2011
1:58 pm

superiorblogman

You are bring up past seasons like it has an impact on whats going on right now. Bibby may have had more of an impact than Jamal before but now he is garbage.

Fact: Teague can’t do any worse than what Bibby is doing right now.

Sautee

February 11th, 2011
2:43 pm

Does anyone think that if we could get 100,000 Hawks fans to storm Philips for 18 days, that Gearon would step down?

KevinM

February 11th, 2011
3:00 pm

Teague will only get better where you know what you are getting with the Bibster. He is only in his prime based on his contract. He is in the prime year of his contract IMO….Sund’s comments just contradict reality so many ways.

OB, I knew Joe would get a huge raise for services not rendered. He flopped when needed the most. Woody continued to point towards the number of minutes he played, but I didn’t see other ‘elite’ NBAers making an excuse of being tired.
Simply, the ASG had a chance to get Joe signed before he became a FA, and they flopped. That would have told me to move on without him.
That offer, which I believe was 5/65M, would have allowed Gearon some flexibility to bring in more veteran talent instead. But the ASG screwed this up as we now see. Joe at 13M would be more acceptable as an organization working with resources that at times aren’t used so wisely. I do think the Al and Smoove deals will turn out to be good for the team as a whole though.

cp

February 11th, 2011
3:02 pm

@Tremaine, you already beat me to it… What the hell does Al being out have to do with how bad Bibby has been? I haven’t been happy with Teague’s progression this season but at this point he cant be any worst than Bibby. Bibby is scoring what like 5 points a game the past few games? As bad as Teague has looked at times he would clearly be better than Bibby at this point. Bibby can barely bring the ball past half court now. His legs look done….I would rather live with the mistakes Teague will make than to see guards attack Bibby at will. The few shots he does knock down when he isn’t slumping isn’t enough to compensate for just how bad his defense is.

Tremaine

February 11th, 2011
3:29 pm

Thank you CP. Now let us all chant in “GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE!”

terrell

February 11th, 2011
3:34 pm

Cant believe the advertisement that I just heard on 680. “The Hawks have once again established themselves as contenders. Come experience the homecourt advantage of the highlight factory, with 2 time allstar Al Horford, Josh Smith, 4 time allstar Joe Johnson, and Mike Bibby, one of the best 3 pt shooters in the league.” lol! They cant be serious. lol! They must not think we’ve watched a Hawks game in a while.. lol!

terrell

February 11th, 2011
3:38 pm

Congrats to Ty Corbin on the Utah job. Btw, Jeff Green is available. Hmm.

Tremaine

February 11th, 2011
3:38 pm

terrell they just trying to sell tickets to the fans that don’t know anything about basketball.

superiorblogman

February 11th, 2011
3:49 pm

Once again, learn to read and comprehend a little bit atleast. My entire post was about trades and impacts. I was saying that Josh and Jamal are the most 2 overrated impact players for the Hawks. Josh because he is weak minded, has a low basketball IQ; which means he does not know what a good or bad shot is, does not know how to slash or cut and is overrated defensively because all he can do is block shots because 9 rebounds is not good for a PF. Jamal is overrated because all he can do is score and did not improve the team significantly in the wins column, while Bibby did. The point is Josh and most importantly Jamal have more value being traded than being a part of this team. My reason for bringing up Bibby was to point out how Jamal has not improved the team overall as much as some of you give him credit for. If you don’t understand now you are purely stupid and inferior and should refrain from directly engaging your superior.

O'Brien

February 11th, 2011
3:59 pm

KevinM,

I dont think the ASG can be blamed for not signing JJ to an extension. He was not going to sign a 5 year $65 mil contract when he knew he would get at least 5 years, $90+ mil on the open market. That’s $35 mil more just by waiting another year, and its not like he is injury prone.

Would you have signed the extension, or would you have become a free agent? I wouldnt have signed it.

And it all goes back to supply and demand. Memphis offered Josh 5 years, $60 mil, so we had no choice but to match or try and work out a sign and trade. They had to resign Al, because the last thing they need is for him to leave and go to another team.

Knicks and Bulls were going to offer JJ 5 years, $90+mil, so ASG decided to offer him 6 years.

If anything, I blame them for giving Bibby 3 years $18 mil, Marvin 5 years, $37.5 mil, and ZaZa 4 years, $18 mil.

As for Teague, another reason for giving him more PT now is to find out once and for all, if he is good enough. If he is not good enough, then Hawks may need to make a move at the deadline. If he is good enough, then they can reduce Bibby’s and Jamal’s minutes.

Tremaine

February 11th, 2011
4:05 pm

superiorblogman, traded for who smartguy? I see it is a waste of time responding to you. If any real hawks fans want to discuss ways of improving this years team rather than getting on here trying to act like a super nerd let me know.

O'Brien

February 11th, 2011
4:08 pm

From latimes;

Sensing the need for a team pick-me-up, the Lakers coach asked longtime friend and sports psychologist George Mumford to talk to the players several hours before they took on the Boston Celtics..

I think LD needs to hire him to come talk to the Hawks players one on one (especially Josh, Teague, Marvin and Jamal imo).

PRESTONI

February 11th, 2011
4:17 pm

The Hawks really have to do SOMETHING this time around. The mood of Long-time Hawk Fans that I have kept in contact with throughout the years has turned to Not Caring Anymore or Pure Hatred. Trades are a Major Part of the Game and you can’t continue to Suck All The Enjoyment Out of rooting for a Team by refusing to make Trades. Without a Trade the results are pretty predictable, even if we got the 4th Seed (and we will probably wind-up with the 5th Seed)–a First Round Matchup against either Orlando or a Healthy Chicago Team will put this Current Hawk Team out in the First Round and the Losses could be real embarrassing. So what do we really have to lose, why not at least create some Fan Interest and give yourself a chance? No Moves and an Embarrassing First Round Defeat will turn Philips Arena into the House of Empty Seats. Even a Pape Sy for Pop Goes The Wiesel would be welcome by Fans at this time (even though this is I guess a Lateral Move). Also, no one wants to see either Mo Evans or Zaza Pachulia in the Starting Lineup–these players should be sent to a Desert Island in the Worthless Protection Program, never to be seen or heard from again. I urge the Few Fans who are in attendance for the Game against Charlotte to take the Bags Off Their Heads so that Hawk Management can see the Sincere Look of Yearning in Your Eyes as you break into a Chorus of “One Day Our Point Guard Will Come” (to the tune of “One Day My Prince Will Come” and I wouldn’t mind getting Prince from Detroit in a Trade). I’m sure someone from Hawk Management or Ownership is reading this Post and this time it is Really Imperative to Do Something to increase the Fan Base and to give the remaining existing Fans (like myself) a measure of Hope.

Tremaine

February 11th, 2011
4:23 pm

PRESTONI I agree with you. This is like watching movie you have already seen. we should alll take the bags off and sing in harmony “GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE”!

superiorblogman

February 11th, 2011
4:28 pm

Teague does not deserve a chance the problem with starting Teague is that you are giving him something, and I don’t think that is the best way to build character. I am all for playing Teague but he has not earned it. Teague is not the answer. Furthermore, Jordan Crawford is not either. When you get into the game you must really show that you belong and neither has done anything to really show that other than meaningless games like Summer League and the last game of the season

superiorblogman

February 11th, 2011
4:30 pm

Al’s punk soft arse is about to be on Rome Is Burning, ESPN

KevinM

February 11th, 2011
5:16 pm

superior, i am in agreement in that so many here put emphasis on the summer league when really not a lot transfers into any significant in the real season. Just because Larry coached the SL year after year doesn’t make him qualified to improve a 50+ win team to move towards the ECF.

Larry shouldn’t get a pass if they don’t advance past the 2nd round. The goal of Gearon and Sund should have been who has the best approach to getting these talented players to the top of the league…what we see currently is more of the same we have seen the last 2 years. I just don’t understand why Gearon and Sund can’t see outside their little Lego world?

Sautee

February 11th, 2011
5:41 pm

KevinM, why wouldn’t LD get a pass with the bench he’s been given?

Who from our bench besides Jamal would dent the rotation of Boston, Miami, or Orlando?

Anyone? anyone? Bueller?

And if, as you say, LD is not qualified, then why are your expectations that he SHOULD get past the second round? Think about it. You are saying that he’s NOT qualified in the first place, but still not “giving him a pass” for not reaching the ECF with THAT bench? As Ken S. would say “where’s the logic?”

I think your real quarrel is with ownership. As it should be.

Slimjr

February 11th, 2011
5:50 pm

Guys, the Hawks probably will not get of the 1st.8-11 against the winners is an ominous sign that “the Hawks are who we thought they were!” The schedule will allow the Hawks to see more winners than loosers after the break..Not looking good for ya Sund!!!!!!!

Double Zero Eight

February 11th, 2011
5:59 pm

Reality is about to rear its ugly head!! The Hawks are pretenders.
I hope I am wrong.

K-Dogg

February 11th, 2011
6:40 pm

All jokes aside why are the Hawks not in the Melo talks. They have a expring contract in Crawford and tow bigs in Big Al and Josh to put out their!!!! I love Crawford and what he bings to this team but if they not going to resign him which they should they need to go ahead and move him and use his contract to cover a big time need!!! Why we dont get that just amazes me!!!!!! We not going to win it all this year so lets make some kinda move to make us better then a 4 or 5 seed and 1st round game 7 loser or 2nd round seep victim!!!!!!!

K-Dogg

February 11th, 2011
6:42 pm

Im sure if we wnated to take a chance on Melo staying it would be worth it b/c for one he will leave 20mil on the table which i dont think he wants to do with the possible new CBA and two what NBA player or athlete in gerneal would not want to stay in this city along with all the otehr markets as long as we are winning!!! Down right craziness!!!!

K-Dogg

February 11th, 2011
6:48 pm

I hate to say this but the top 5 teams in the east are already set so we do need to look at some differnt options in the starting lineup and sticking with it for more then one game. They went big for 3 games and got away from it. The peoblem with this orginazation is they expect instant results when the NBA is not about that its about reps has always been that way. The big 3 in Miami started off sucking so why would Jeff starting at point or us playing Al at the 4 and Josh at the 3 not take more then 3 games!!!! I swear this is crazy but im done venting about this team and caoches!!!!!!

ag

February 11th, 2011
7:37 pm

SUperblogman, how much can Teague show us in those 6 minutes a night?? Maybe watching him in 48 minutes, scoring 24 pts and 15 ast IN AN ACTUAL NBA GAME should qualify for something

honest_abe

February 11th, 2011
7:40 pm

“This is probably the single most idiotic statement I have ever read on this blog, and that’s saying something. By this logic, might as well trade Al Horford for Kwame Brown since Kwame will learn how to hit mid range shots before Al becomes 7 feet tall.”

huh? not making sense as usual. but i’ve come to expect this of you. dumb bordering on clueless.

JR1967

February 11th, 2011
7:54 pm

Speaking of low attendance at Hawks Home Games-I will bet anyone that if this franchise moved to Seattle and started over with the old Sonics logo and colors, this team would flourish and become a true contender with superb fan support. This team here in Atlanta, after 40 years, has simply ran its course here.

Dept. of Redundancy Dept.

February 11th, 2011
8:02 pm

“This team here in Atlanta, after 40 years, has simply ran its course here.”

honest_abe

February 11th, 2011
8:06 pm

i can totally understand the apathetic attitude towards this hawks team. hell will freeze over before this team the way its currently assembled will come close to sniffing an nba title. we saw the ceiling last year and it was a sweep in the 2nd round. at least when the team was awful fans could look forward to the lottery as well as improvement and the hope of an nba title within a few years.

the major difference between now and then…. the absence of hope.

why should we spend our hard earned money to join 10 other fans in cheering this uninspiring team get blown out at home. ya i was at that boston game earlier this year. they quit after the 1st quarter. i left by halftime. i live like 5 minutes away from phillips and it was still a major waste of time. this team blows. the ownership sucks worse. michael gearon jr. you are quickly catching up to the smith family in terms of incompetent/clueless owners!!!!

Tremaine

February 11th, 2011
8:10 pm

JR1967, Atlanta is a good sports city as you saw when the falcons started winning. We just are so use to bad owners and being disappointed all the time. For example, the second round against Orlando last year. The hawks just gave up and then Joe Johnson say who cares what the fans think. Then right on cue the owners give him a five year deal.

ag

February 11th, 2011
8:18 pm

I really have seen worse…. “trade Josh Powell, Etan and J. Collins for Carmillo..” just dumb. EVERYBODY should be barred for suggesting trades

northcyde

February 11th, 2011
8:30 pm

JR1967

February 11th, 2011
7:54 pm

Speaking of low attendance at Hawks Home Games-I will bet anyone that if this franchise moved to Seattle and started over with the old Sonics logo and colors, this team would flourish and become a true contender with superb fan support. This team here in Atlanta, after 40 years, has simply ran its course here.

************

And if Atlanta ever lost the Hawks, they would never get another NBA franchise again, unless some other financially strapped team moved to ATL in its place.

The Atlanta Grizzlies maybe?

I guess that’s the change that people would love to see, despite the Griz being what we were 3 years ago. A good team with nice young talent, that has no shot at doing anything in the playoffs.

Najeh and I will always disagree on the importance of Hawks fans supporting the team, because he ( and a lot of the fans in ATL ) don’t believe that the fans should be obligated to support their favorite team.

Everyone has a choice.

But understand that when revenue isn’t coming in, management won’t do jack to improve the product. And when the revenue really stops coming in, the team may move altogether ( ala Charlotte Bobcats, Houston Oilers, Seattle Sonics, etc ).

Play that game if you want to ATL. But this team isn’t horrible, they’re just not a title contender. And if that isn’t good enough for the so-called die hard fans to go out and support the team by going to the games, we basically get what we get.

terrell

February 11th, 2011
8:37 pm

Kobe with 19 in the 1st qtr. Wow!

O'Brien

February 11th, 2011
9:00 pm

northcyde,

Jeff VanGundy agrees with you. From ajc.com;

Former NBA coach Jeff Van Gundy’s solution: No moves at all.

“Just play better,” said Van Gundy, now calling games for ESPN and ABC. “Whatever they would do would be more cosmetic, anyway.”

He saw Collins becoming a fixture at center as a possibility, but he thought that the Hawks are better with Horford at center and Smith at power forward. Van Gundy added trade talk is immaterial without knowing who the Hawks could acquire.

“No one ever says who the people are [in the trade],” he said. “It’s always who it is and for who and what your ownership’s willing to pay.”

At 33-19, the Hawks are about where they should be, according to Van Gundy.

“They’re a solid 50-win team,” he said. “I give them a lot of credit for what they’ve been able to do, but they’re not a championship-caliber team.”.

doc

February 11th, 2011
9:11 pm

northcyde owners have a choice too. blank and turner showed thr city what a differrnce a commited pwner can make. people were staying away from nfl product before blank, you could have any seat you wanted before turner and they made a difference. this group runs their show irrrspective of what their patrons want. turner and blank built two empires one in entertainment the other in home projects, they knew you had to get customer buy in. the askg dont connect like the other two did because theu seem to think it doesnt matter. the fans will vome when the culture changes.

doc

February 11th, 2011
9:17 pm

i agree totally with the last paragraph of jeff. nailed it and sund admitted it as the ceiling for this year, goal stay fourth.

doc

February 11th, 2011
9:28 pm

as a fan fourth is not very satisfying as the bar.

Sautee

February 11th, 2011
9:41 pm

doc,

Thus, Astro’s mantra for this year: Lose better

I agree it’s not very compelling relative to actually being in the mix.

But until this ownership group gives up the ghost, I’m very afraid that that’s where we’ll be. Just OK.

doc

February 11th, 2011
9:58 pm

Enter your comments hereyeah sautee i am cool wid dat until i wstchbthem lose like they did to the sixers

bigdave

February 11th, 2011
10:02 pm

lol.

the clientele must prove (worthy) of better basketball decisions before the powers that be take action in improving their product?

that is a baffling concept.

hell if its up to us.. they might as well ask the opinions of some here on personnel moves.

u would never hear any sound/successful businessman/owner tell his clientele/fan base that they must improve as fans before the professionals improve in their respective endeavors.

the more Matt Ryan jerseys sold, the better he plays. negative. the more Hawk fans in attendance the more savvy acquisitions/picks made by Sund. negative. these guys will be good or trash by their own merit and ability.

build the trust, rapport, and product; increase your following.

superiorblogman

February 11th, 2011
10:05 pm

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4g8s3xt

Pistons get: Jamal, Zaza, and 2012 1st round pick

Hawks get: Tayshaun Prince and Rodney Stuckey

New lineup:

PG Stuckey/Bibby/Teague
SG Joe/Mo/jordan
SF Prince/Marvin/Wilkins
PF Josh Smith/Marvin/Josh Powell
C Horford/Collins/Etan

I know it’s not happening because Sund in the ASG are trying to move the team to Vegas by hook or crook but it should. We owe Zaza $4+ million next year, your not gonna resign Jamal for less than $6 million. That’s $10 million split that between Stuckey and Prince for next year and let’s ride.

Scoop

February 11th, 2011
10:51 pm

LOL @ Rod from CP.

Dude trying to compare Marino and Kelly to T-Mac, DWill, and whoever else……….FACT: Marino and Kelly=Hall of Famers T-Mac and Crew=NOT…….PERIOD(BTW comparing cross sports is never good idea)

O'Brien

February 11th, 2011
10:55 pm

I know the motion offense does not require a traditional PG. But what’s interesting to me is how some teams have 2 decent PG’s, and we are stuck with Bibby and Teague. Some examples;

Jazz have Deron, Earl Watson and Ronnie Price
Hornets have CP3 and Jarrett Jack
Spurs have Tony Parker and George Hill
Bulls have Derrick Rose and CJ Watson
Mavericks have Jason Kidd and Jose Barea
Denver has Chauncey Billups and Ty Lawson
Lakers have Steve Blake and Derek Fisher
Houston has Aaron brooks and Kyle Lowry
Philly has Jrue Holiday and Lou Williams
Boston has Rondo and Nate

And there is probably more out there. How many of the above players would start over Bibby right now?

Scoop

February 11th, 2011
10:57 pm

For What It Is Worth,

The Hawks will be fine. They are wildly inconsistent, so the bandwagon will be empty and full a lot but the fact of the matter is they match up well with the East’s elite teams.
-This core has always played the Celtics tough
- 1-1 against new Heat and could easily be 2-0.
- 2-1 vs. Magic(1-0 vs new Magic).
-Chicago could be our toughest match up.

Regardless of what your current opinion of the Hawks is, I guarantee you that nobody wants the Hawks come playoff time. They present match up problems for every team while their athleticism allows them to switch a lot of things defensively. We just need some perimeter defense and that is why Teague should start the game against the opposing starting mainly for defense and let Bibby square off against the back-ups to mask his lack of lateral agility.

Grandad

February 11th, 2011
11:22 pm

Here’s the thang;
ASSG/Sund don’t care. never have. I’ve said it before:
“the Hawks Public Relations / Media Relations, etc is pathetic”.
If your a Hawk fan there is never any news:
I’m not talkin about MC or KS & the blog.
1st thang they say is:
“we’re not lookin’ to trade”
-or-
they lie;
“were gonna sign a FA this summer after we take care of Joe”. [paraphrase]
We never get to hear a rumor or anything because they ain’t doing nothing.
Everyone other contender is trying to get better.
Not the Hawks.
It’s no wonder nobody shows up, they [the Hawks] don’t even promote hope.
We need a Big and a pg / everybody and their cousin knows that;
but the ASSG act as if they are not even looking.
“if something presents itself”
Well I’m gonna tell you;
Golden State ain’t fixin to call up Rick & say:
“how about you send us Mo for Curry”
that ain’t gonna present itself.
I’m sick of ‘em.
I’m on the verge of switching back to being a Celtic fan, circa 1952 – 1968.

I’m still steamed!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 11th, 2011
11:43 pm

“And when the revenue really stops coming in, the team may move altogether ( ala Charlotte Bobcats, Houston Oilers, Seattle Sonics, etc ).”

The Bobcats were an expansion team. If you are talking about the Hornets, they (as well as the Oilers and the Sonics) moved because they couldn’t get new arenas. New arenas mean more luxury boxes and more opportunity to sell the tickets that owners care about. Owners care a hell of a lot more about those premium seats than they do about someone like me buying a $15 seat to sit in the upper deck for a game.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 11th, 2011
11:44 pm

“the more Matt Ryan jerseys sold, the better he plays. negative. the more Hawk fans in attendance the more savvy acquisitions/picks made by Sund. negative. these guys will be good or trash by their own merit and ability.

build the trust, rapport, and product; increase your following.”

Co-sign.

lewis

February 11th, 2011
11:55 pm

Just got back from the Q. Watched history being made as the streak was snapped. Wow are the Cavs bad. That said, incredible fans, far superior experience to that which I had at Phillips during the Orlando game recently (which I really did enjoy). Incredibly loud, sell out. Insane amounts of cheerleaders and in between game entertainment. Game went in to overtime. No one left. And then no one left until the game ended, except me and my friends when there was 16 seconds to go, because i’m from Atlanta and I ain’t gettin caught in traffic cause I know better.

Shake Something

February 12th, 2011
12:37 am

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4qmn274

thats the other trade with SAC getting a 2 pick and Grizz a 1st

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2011
1:54 am

The Cavs had the league’s worst attendance the year before LeBron got there. They are selling out games this year in large part because season ticket holders were forced to renew before LeBron made his decision. If they continue to suck for a couple of years, rest assured their attendance will go back to the bottom.

lewis

February 12th, 2011
2:05 am

Nah, people in cleveland love cheering for nothing

The Truth

February 12th, 2011
2:10 am

LOL, the Hawks lose a game to Philly (who also beat the Spurs) and now some (so-call fans) want the team to move to Seattle. My question is what’s in it for Hawk Fans if that happens? Answer: not a dam thang. In fact, the questions is really irrelevant on this blog since it just a mole’s fantasy to irritate and initiate that next rumor (perhaps).

Why is it when the Hawks have a disappointing lose, it’s always the fans fault for not showing up? I was at the Philly game and I can tell you this; if Philips was sold out, the Hawks still would have lost because they didn’t come properly prepared and they under-estimated a very hot Philly team. No rah-rah could have saved them from defeat. They were just out played; out worked and probably knows it now. Sometimes these team loses have nothing to do with player quality but have everything to do with the team’s mentality. A believe and desire that they can beat their opponent on that given night. For example, even though Phillip beat the Spurs, does anyone really believe that Philly is the better team? If a team is hot and has momentum, under the right set of circumstances, any opponent can be the next victim. Apparently for the Hawks in the Philly defeat, they were in the right place but at the wrong time playing the wrong team (as Wolf Man Jack would say).

slim4jr

February 12th, 2011
8:59 am

The Fix is in here in Atlanta..There will be no Championships!!! I get it now David Stern…..Sorry Hawks fans…..
Why do you think Sund was hired in the first place???? HMMMMM….A 64 million dollar question?

Trojan

February 12th, 2011
10:25 am

MC should write an article on what Grandad wrote at 11:22. The management of the Hawks inspire no confidence and THEY are the reason for lack of hope. We can take only making it to the 1st round if there is hope for progress. Sund inspires no one. The management group inpires no one. The poor attempts to fix the obvious weakensses of this team inspires no one.

Mike is back

February 12th, 2011
11:16 am

Doc and GRANDAD, great comment on ASG…these guys have been much maligned since their inception…too dang many people trying to run a sports franchised…it will never work…and why the heck do the ASG even have a GM…when clearly they are hell bent on running both the Hawks and Thrasher themselves.

Funny thing is…isn’t the Gearson the ones that own the lease percentage of the franchise…why are they always the ones doing all the talking…it kind of remind me of when Rankin Smith let his older son run Falcon…Hey, go ahead son and have your fun…we own the team…we can do WTF we want.

Sad analogy, but it feels eerily the same.

Vava, as a long standing member of this blog…You are charge with finding a millionaire over in Europe and beyond to buy out the BASG. lol

terrell

February 12th, 2011
11:40 am

A lot of days off in the ATL. Hope it doesnt spell disaster again. Must win tonight. Next 7 on the road, and then we come home to find Chicago and OKC waiting for us.

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