Horford still sore, Hawks lineup changes on hold

- Al Horford said that, as of Thursday, he isn’t planning on playing Saturday. Said Horford, “It’s not really getting any better.” Horford tried to shoot at Thursday’s practice, but was still sore. He’ll give it another try Friday.

- Horford’s injury will preclude coach Larry Drew from implementing any lineup changes that he has talked about since the 34-point loss to Philadelphia Tuesday. “It is definitely still weighing on my mind,” Drew said. “The decision has not been made yet.” The team scrimmaged but didn’t have any out-of-the-ordinary lineups, Mo Evans said.

- Drew said the team is not actively pursuing a trade but is in a stance of keeping its ears open. Said Drew, “We’ll continue to talk about different things, look if there’s something that could potentially make us even a better ballclub.”

- If Drew was using his public comments about making lineup changes or considering a trade to get his team’s attention, it apparently wasn’t entirely effective. When the topic was broached with Evans and Horford, it was the first both had heard of it. Said Horford, “If Coach Drew needs to shake something up to make us better, I’m for it, and I hope everybody on this team is for it and understands it.”

- Evans believes the team’s success on the road and recent problems at home have to deal with a difficulty in playing as a unit at Philips Arena. The Hawks have an “us against the world” attitude on the road, but not at home. Said Evans, “I feel like guys play more lethargic and we play sometimes for our individual fans or whatever. … It seems like we’re more 12 individuals than we are as a team at home.” Guard Joe Johnson noted the distractions of playing at home. “We just have to block them out and just go out and play,” he said.

- Guard Mike Bibby feels he is getting out of a recent shooting slump when he said he “couldn’t throw it in the [darn] ocean.” After a run in which he made at least one 3-pointer in 27 consecutive games, Bibby has shot 10-for-37 (27.0 percent) from 3-point range in the last nine games. Said Bibby, “I felt like I was back today.”

Ken Sugiura, Hawks beat

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Jerry West

February 10th, 2011
1:43 pm

Art Vandelay

February 10th, 2011
1:52 pm

Give Phoenix a copy of the roster and let them choose any three players they want for Steve Nash & Grant Hill. The only player who should be off limits is Horford.

rollow lawson

February 10th, 2011
1:56 pm

Poor excuse for a professional franchise. All this “lineup change” stuff is just lip service. I laughed when they talked about the distractions at home. What are they doing, looking up in the stands at their girlfriends? These dudes are less professional than I thought. They act like they are in high school. Grow up and go out and do your jobs.

Jerry West

February 10th, 2011
2:00 pm

Al & Marvin for Nash, G Hill, Lopez (& a pick?)

shake things up, get this team a leader/ PG, and have some room to make a play for 2012 FA like Paul or Dwight

ILL-Logical

February 10th, 2011
2:02 pm

OK ,here is a question for the faithful:
Why would a player who has earned ALL Star status at one position-in his 3rd year- won’t to play another postion and go so far as to have his father lobby in the press for the change IF he was focused soley on the “team”?
The bonus question is why would any team even contemplate that request when they don’t have a replacement for player A or since player A has been erratic at best when placed at his “natural postion”? For example see player A against Dejaun Blair who at 6′41/2″ dominated player A in a head to head matchup also see player A against Kurt Thomas in last year’s playoff match against the Bucks-the guy was 37!
And finally, this “sore back” thing is starting to look like an MRI is needed to identify the cure.

lewis

February 10th, 2011
2:02 pm

The Hawks like playing in front of crowds, it’s not a secret.

We play better on the road because 25 out of 28 times the away attendance is better than our home.

The crowd at the 76ers game was abysmal. As professional athletes who thrive in the spotlight, i’m sure it’s quite discouraging for them to see so few fans showing up for home games. Then they are left with the mentality that if no one else cares (including the organization, affirmed by lack of any changes in the off-season), why should they? Thus, complacency is bred from within.

We play terrible when rested because people guys party too hard and fail to work on their games every day to stay sharp. This also explains why a JUMPSHOOTING TEAM plays better on the second night of back-to-backs, when they have used the previous game to get their legs and shot acclimated.

As far as getting blown out, each team that has done it has had very quick guards. If you play pickup basketball regularly, you should understand that a lack of motivation to play defense if your point guard gets beat off the dribble every single time exists.

If your point guard (bibby) cannot stop the penetration from the other teams point-guard (boykins, dooling, jrue holiday, etc) the other members of the team have to expend twice as much energy on defense. So, after getting beat off the dribble and forcing the other 4 defenders to work twice as hard, the opposing PG’s slice right through the Hawks tired defense (refer to hawks blowout losses).

The Hawks knew this was the case, and without Horford and Josh covering for Bibby, the lack of people in the stands, joe having an off night, the rest of the team did not feel like chasing guards with which whom we do not have the personnel to defend.

Same thing could be said in terms of Bibby’s inability to penetrate on offense forces the team into working harder and settling for jump shots

Greg

February 10th, 2011
2:03 pm

Ownership by committee=losersville! Synonyms: Hawks;thrashers

Freshfromatl

February 10th, 2011
2:04 pm

Lmao @ LD lying to everybody.

Freshfromatl

February 10th, 2011
2:05 pm

Lmao @ everyone wasting their time here the last few hours discussing new lineups and trades.

Freshfromatl

February 10th, 2011
2:06 pm

Lmao @ anyone thinking change is coming anytime soon.

Devin

February 10th, 2011
2:06 pm

Marvin williams jeff teauge and a pick for ron artest and shannon brown

Freshfromatl

February 10th, 2011
2:07 pm

Lmao @ Mo Evan, Josh Powell, and Etan Thomas being NBA players.

K.W.

February 10th, 2011
2:08 pm

Should have known this was all talk.

Freshfromatl

February 10th, 2011
2:08 pm

Lmao @ Devin.

oranjucejonz

February 10th, 2011
2:09 pm

We all know that Sund will not make a trade.We are quickly becoming one of the worst franchises in the league if you consider whats going on from top to bottom…Im concerned about the future of our team being in the city much longer. The ASG are losing fan support daily.

Jerry West

February 10th, 2011
2:11 pm

Larry Drew for Jerry Sloan

Big Daddy

February 10th, 2011
2:12 pm

14 more days and it will all be moot. I think Sund may just decide to see how the CBA works out before making any changes. LD could do some shuffling in the lineup but with who. The only player on the roster who is not getting any burn would be JC2 and there are issues with him is the reason why he is not playing now. The starters are the starters because they are the best on the team. So, unless a trade is imminent we will probably stand pat and management will weather the storm of opinion.

Obviously, when you look at the top 10 teams, you won’t see anyone who has lost by the margins we have at home this season. Even the teams that had people out don’t lose by that much. It is really frustrating to read about players saying it is just one game. I don’t think they even believe that crap. Those losses speak to a more fundamental deficiency in the make-up AND coaching of the team.

GO HAWKS!!!! (sigh)

beone

February 10th, 2011
2:13 pm

Lewis, One of the few insightful posts I have seen lately. RE: lack of home crowds – Be Professional and earn your paychecks. RE: point guard play – Make a change preferably through a trade or at least with current personnel (and yes there are options, not good ones, but they do exist and should be tried before being dismissed). To continue to do the same thing and expect different results at this point is foolish/idiotic. It is what it is and we have all seen it for a long time. Sometimes you have to get worse to get better. But PLEASE TRY SOMETHING!!!

Section 303

February 10th, 2011
2:14 pm

I’m reading this and thinking that Sund/ASG told Coach Drew to chill on the trade stuff. He sounds like he is backing off that a little today. Which makes me think that my hopes of some kind of trade are all for nothing.

Anyone else reading Coach’s comments that way?

oranjucejonz

February 10th, 2011
2:20 pm

Teague,Marvin and ZaZa for Shannon Brown,T.J.Ford and Greg Oden

MsDee

February 10th, 2011
2:20 pm

LMAO @ Freshfromatl

Another GM

February 10th, 2011
2:30 pm

Folks the Hawks are not going to make any trades. There is a freeze on taking salary and all the talk about were are not making lateral trades and we will look at a trade if it makes sense is nothing more than trying to appease the fan base. So, dont worry about checking Hawksquawk, realGM, hoopshype, and the ajc because you are wasting your time.

MsDee

February 10th, 2011
2:30 pm

@section 303,

I notice that as well cause just when I was getting excited about the word ‘trade’ coming out of LD’s mouth the other day, I was put back into reality today with his comment, ” Drew said the team is NOT actively pursuing a trade but is in a stance of keeping its EARS open.” I would have rather read the words, ‘EYES OPEN, than EARS’. In other words, having your ears open is basically waiting on another GM to come to us with a trade idea rather than us keeping our EYES open to SEE if their is someone or players we would highly consider to offers a GM elsewhere.

Hoping not to dissect TOO much into these comments!

superiorblogman

February 10th, 2011
2:38 pm

Jerry Sloan has no NBA coaching job and Larry Drew does, LMAO. The Hawks should call Sloan right now and tell him they would like for him to be there coach next year.Larry Drew’s little ugly arse is worse than Woody and so is this year’s team. That stupid arse offense does not work to get anything other than jumpshots and Joe easy buckets on the backcut occasionally. Sund and the ASG suck goatballs. No trade coming damn these sorry SOB’s

mykhalc

February 10th, 2011
2:39 pm

only news is that Al is still hurtin’!!! all the ‘other’ info is regurgitated, here-we-go-again BS that somehow these players keep forgettin’ that they’ve used the excuses/reasons before!!! again, LD need to quit talkin’ about changes and make some damn changes!!! it still might result in a L but at least some effort ‘might’ actually show up on the court!!??!!

hawks_4_life

February 10th, 2011
2:40 pm

Jeff (Huntsville)

I know he is injured, but do yyou think the Hawks should try to trade for Mo Williams? They desperatly need a PG.
John Hollinger
(2:11 PM)

Yes, I think Mo Williams would be really good in the ATL but I’m not sure what Atlanta has to dangle. Jeff Teague? I don’t think that’s getting it done.

mykhalc

February 10th, 2011
2:43 pm

i’d threaten to send/trade the whole team to CLE…startin’ with Marvin!!!

superiorblogman

February 10th, 2011
2:43 pm

I am starting to think AL is soft also. I have tries to come back right before the all-star break so he can play in that game it is a sign that he is a fraud as a leader.

superiorblogman

February 10th, 2011
2:44 pm

I am starting to think AL is soft also. If he tries to come back right before the all-star break so he can play in that game it is a sign that he is a fraud as a leader.

hawks_4_life

February 10th, 2011
2:47 pm

Al a fraud, now thats the joke of the day.

Rufus1

February 10th, 2011
2:51 pm

Al’s power play…

This is about Al and Josh. This is a power play to force ASG to define this team as Al’s team.

We all know Josh and Al play best a PF and he is asking for Josh’s position. He knows that LD doesn’t think Josh can be an effective enough SF to justify starting him every game. He also knows the only way we get a decent center is to trade Josh.

There is only one player on this team who will challenge Al’s ASCENSION TO THE THROWN, that is Josh Smith. Joe doesn’t want to lead and no one else has the pedigree.

Al and Josh are our 2 best “trade chips”…so what will ASG do?

I do not subscibe to the idea that ASG won’t trade one of our PF’s because attendance is dropping and if we don’t make any changes, ATTENDANCE WILL BE WORSE NEXT YEAR.

Sautee

February 10th, 2011
2:55 pm

Ill-logical,

I think you are being a bit unfair to Horford, when you say he “won’t to play another position” when the vast majority of Horford’s minutes have come from the center position. He was also quoted in the off season as saying that the Hawks have a definite advantage with him at the 5 and Josh at the 4, and that they should take advantage of those matchups.

Another unfair thing is accusing Al of “go(ing) so far as to have his father lobby in the press for the change IF he was focused soley(sic) on the “team”?

Ill, do you KNOW that Al put his dad up to calling Sund? If you know that, please tell us how. None of the reports I’ve found about those calls mentions anything about Al’s involvement. So to say he put his dad up to it is somewhat slanderous unless you have a source.

Look man, if you don’t like his game, that’s one thing, but you are attacking his character, so please tell us your source for this attack. And if this is just all your opinion, tell us that too.

hawks_4_life

February 10th, 2011
2:59 pm

JJ (Atlanta)

So do the Hawks also have “an incredibly bright future”?? Will they make “more aggressive moves” as well?
John Hollinger
(2:55 PM)

No, as I keep writing, they seem weirdly content to go 47-35 every year. Hope I’m wrong about that. But the other issue is that they don’t have a ton of trade assets right now. They’d basically have to move Josh Smith if they really wanted to shake things up.

Ken Sugiura

February 10th, 2011
3:04 pm

MsDee i believe you’re right. to me, if you’re not “actively pursuing,” that means you’re not initiating.
also, i think calling horford a fraud is a bit off the mark.

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
3:07 pm

LD got news for ya, Al is going to be gone for awhile!!! I would not be surprise if he out the next 10 games which will spell disaster for the Hawks!!! You guys are going to get drilled on that 7 game road trip next week without Al..Oh well so be it…..Couldn’t happen to a nicer organization………..

Ken Sugiura

February 10th, 2011
3:09 pm

by the way, if you hadn’t read, what superiorblogman is referring to about jerry sloan is that he’s expected to resign today. (this is very non sequitur, but isn’t it odd that “resign” and “re-sign” are spelled the same way but are basically antonyms?)

hawks_4_life

February 10th, 2011
3:09 pm

JJ (Atlanta)

Would Smith and Bibby for Nash and Hill make sense?
John Hollinger
(3:01 PM)

Smith and Teague is the deal that the Suns would at least have to think about. Probably should have slipped that one into today’s column too, but if Nash went to Atlanta I’d be spending all my time finding acceptable burger joints for Marc Stein, and I can’t squeeze that in to my day.

JJ

February 10th, 2011
3:11 pm

Josh and Teague for Nash and Hill. Move Al to the 4. Marvin and Bibby to the bench. Start Nash/JJ/Hill/Horford/Twin

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
3:11 pm

As long as Rick Sund is at the helm as GM, the Hawks will be toast!!! I won’t waste time or a dime going down to the low lite factory……

Rufus1

February 10th, 2011
3:12 pm

Back injuries are tricky…

Marvin was soft when he hurt his back, is Al getting softer?

JJ

February 10th, 2011
3:12 pm

Huh…Hawks_4_Life beat me to it.

SteveW

February 10th, 2011
3:13 pm

I noticed that Coach LD was playing Al alot more minutes, and that may be contributing to his injuries:

Al played 45 and 46 minutes on the 15th and 17th of Jan., then sprains his ankle on the 18th.

LD then plays Al 39, 45, 40, 36, and 42 on Jan. 26, 28, 29, Feb. 2 and 4 and he injures his back.

If Al is going to take a beating down low playing the 5 most of the time, his mpg needs to be limited. I think there is a correlation. To put it another way;

Al had not played 45 minutes in a game this season until Jan. 15th. and he did it 3 times in 8 games since then.

Al played 40+ minutes 6 times in the first 40 games of the season, he then played 40+ minutes 5 times in 8 games, and playing 39 and 36 in two of those other games, while getting injured in the middle of that Miami game.

LD – Get a good back up for Al, please!! Save the guy for the playoffs.

dirtyo11

February 10th, 2011
3:13 pm

I think they need to go out and get Nene and J.R. Smith or Gortat and Petitrus for Marvin Williams and Mo Evans and 2nd rnd draft pick. We don’t develope our picks anyway and J.R. Smith is better shooter, play better D and grittier than Evans. Evan is looking slower by the minute & we all know that M Williams is a tab bit better than a D league player.I know Petitrus and Gortat would love to stick it to Orlando after Orlando did them the way the did
Bibby & 1st. rnd pick for Devin Harris or Mo Williams. I know Petitrus and Gortat would love to stick it to Orlando after Orlando did them the way the did
C-Gortat or Nene
PF-Horford
SF Smith
SG-Johnson
PG-Harris or Mo Williams
Bench:Crawford, J.R. Smith or Petitrus, Zaza, Teague
This is a team that could compete with any team in the league. We get in trouble when our startes and Crawford go cold. The trade will bring bench players that can get hot plus play D and it will also bring in speed and big men that can play in the middle.
LET’S DO IT….THIS WILL PUT US IN THE EASTERN FINALS AGAINST BOSTON……..PLEASE SEDN THIS TO SUND EMAIL ADDRESS WE TIRED OF LOSING

Rufus1

February 10th, 2011
3:14 pm

hawks_4_life

We want Nash and Gortat…Throw in ZAZA

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
3:17 pm

“LET’S DO IT….THIS WILL PUT US IN THE EASTERN FINALS AGAINST BOSTON……..PLEASE SEDN THIS TO SUND EMAIL ADDRESS WE TIRED OF LOSING”

Per drmaryb: Sund does not have a computer on his desk.

.He’s not paying us any mind.. Stop going to games then you’ll get his sorry attention….

SteveW

February 10th, 2011
3:17 pm

If I’m the Suns, and I start rebuilding, and the Hawks offered me Josh for Nash and Gortat, I jump at that offer. Make the Suns take Bibby and Mo’, and you actually have a little less contract money out this year and next, which ASG should like, and a much better team.

But I hate to lose Josh….

JJ

February 10th, 2011
3:17 pm

Hell No to anything that puts Josh at the 3.

hawks_4_life

February 10th, 2011
3:19 pm

THE POST I MADE WERE NOT MY SUGGESTIONS BUT ONLY WHAT I FOLLOWED REGARDING US ON HOLLINGER’S CHAT. I personally feel we need to make a move, just dont know what.

JJ

February 10th, 2011
3:20 pm

Hawks_4_Life:

They were actually my suggestions. I kinda like them. Makes the Hawks a MUCH better team.

slimjr

February 10th, 2011
3:23 pm

Read my Lips “Sund is not making any trades.” He is set with his “core”..He compares his Hawks to the Spurs…

This guy needs to tighten up those loose screws in his head…..A cordless 12v will do it…..lol