Atlanta Hawks: Al Horford (back) says he plans to play tonight. vs. Sixers (Update: Horford out)

Hawks center Al Horford said he plans to play against Philly at Philips tonight, four days after he crashed to the floor in a collision with Clippers rookie Blake Griffin.

(UPDATE: Drew said in pregame that Horford is out.)

“I think I should be OK for the game,” Horford said after participating in shootaround this morning. “I think as long as I go out there and feel OK and I feel right, I think you can play through some pain. I’m actually encouraged [because the play] looked really bad. But fortunately it is not nothing serious on my back or anything.”

Horford missed Atlanta’s game at Washington on Saturday and didn’t practice Monday. He’s missed two other games this season, sitting out games against New Orleans and Charlotte last month with a sprained ankle.

“I think he has a high tolerance for pain,” Hawks coach Larry Drew said. “But there are a number of guys that are like that. There are some players that can play through being hurt versus being injured. Obviously if you are injured you don’t want to get out there and jeopardize and hurt yourself even more or hurt the team.

“But to play through pain, I think he has a high tolerance for pain and he is able to play through some things that other guys may not chance it.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

49 comments Add your comment

slimjr

February 8th, 2011
12:20 pm

Al is a beast!!! Marvin would have been out till May………………LOL

doc

February 8th, 2011
12:21 pm

someone tried to say it was a clean block, kiddin right? ouch head and back slammed the floor.

Worldwide Clyde

February 8th, 2011
12:22 pm

Play hurt in the playoffs not the regular season.

slimjr

February 8th, 2011
12:24 pm

““I think he has a high tolerance for pain,” Hawks coach Larry Drew said. “But there are a number of guys that are like that. There are some players that can play through being hurt versus being injured.”
You got that right LD. Al is super man! Marvin ain’t one of them guys……………….

Lets trade Sund for Billy Knight?? Your right there’s no difference……

Sautee

February 8th, 2011
12:35 pm

MC,

If you get a chance could you ask LD why we don’t run the motion offense more in crunch time?

LD was quoted as saying that the motion offense put a bigger burden on defenses because everyone on the floor would be a threat to score. If that’s the case, wouldn’t that be a better late game strategy (or strategery if you are G. Bush) than an ISO where more defenders are in help position?

Thanks Michael.

lewis

February 8th, 2011
12:42 pm

Marvin’s been injured on and off all year, but I think he’s looked surprisingly solid, much more so than he ever has in the past. He’s hit a few clutch 3’s this year and is definitely getting fouled going to the rim. I saw him do a few solid turn around floater/hook type shots as well in the post, didn’t know he had a back to the basket game at all.

I don’t know about you all, but Marvin and Damien closing the 4th quarter was the most comfortable i’ve felt all year in the 4th Q. LD’s Bibby/Jamal/JJ lineup is kind of suspenseful to watch because the game lies in their ability to knock down shots while playing no defense on the other end.

It is a fact that the Bibby/Jamal/JJ lineup will get you nowhere in a 7-game series.
The only way we get past the 2nd round with this roster is if Marvin, Damien and Zaza step it up.
Joe also needs to start running the offense through Al and Josh in the 4th Q its hard to watch at this point.

Ra'mon

February 8th, 2011
1:08 pm

Sautee, knowing LD he will point to the fact that motion offense is more productive, but typically leads to more turnovers and less shots at the basket. And then he would say something like ‘that is something we need to improve on going forward’. lol

slimjr

February 8th, 2011
1:09 pm

Marvin’s too sensitive to hold up as a starter. Maybe he’ll have less awkward falls coming off the bench, also he’ll get more rest and and be fresh for the playoff run this year?.We can only hope….

slimjr

February 8th, 2011
1:13 pm

‘Marvin and Damien closing the 4th quarter was the most comfortable i’ve felt all year in the 4th Q.”

Wait it that road trip starts next week. Those two probably will not feel comfortable in the 4th quarters in any of those games to come…..

coachx

February 8th, 2011
1:13 pm

Lay off Marvin…………..unlike Horford, Marvin has had previous injuries to his back. The guy is acutally playing good ball this year.

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slimjr

February 8th, 2011
1:18 pm

“Lay off Marvin”

We’ll lay off “it was a terrible #2 lottery pick” when his azz is shipped outta here…………………

rollow lawson

February 8th, 2011
1:24 pm

Steve Smith and Cheryl Miller were on NBA TV Friday night and said that this was not a flagrant foul. Are you kidding me!! I like Smitty, but he was totally wrong on that one. And Cheryl Miller is the goofiest black woman I have seen in my life. Larry Drew better start letting Teague get some minutes soon. Once the playoffs roll around, Bibby will have to guard Rose, Nelson, or Rondo. He will get destroyed. Either play Teague, or make a trade for someone like Will Bynum NOW!!!!!!

Section 303

February 8th, 2011
1:45 pm

rollow,

I actually agree with Steve Smith and Cheryl Miller. That play was just a case of two elite athletes meeting head-on at the rim. There was no intent to injur on the part of Blake Griffin. Go back and look…Griffin had his arms straight up the whole time.

That play concluded one of strangest ending to a game I have ever seen.

The Truth

February 8th, 2011
1:55 pm

“Al Horford says he plans to play tonight. vs. Sixers”

That’s good news because Al needs to be sharp for the upcoming tough schedule.

BTW, from the previous blog entitled “Is Bibby Beat Down” is a cop-up that’s filled with excuses to justify a declining Bibby. If you compared comparable older players, Bibby minutes are about where it should be:

Player Pos Age MP
Jason Kidd G 37 33.7
Steve Nash G 37 32.2
Chauncey Billips G 34 32,3
Mike Bibby G 32 35

Michael Cunningham

February 8th, 2011
2:23 pm

@The Truth: “BTW, from the previous blog entitled “Is Bibby Beat Down” is a cop-up that’s filled with excuses to justify a declining Bibby.”

you will have to show me the “cop-ups” and excuses because i don’t see them. anyway, how exactly does one “justify” a decline? if you don’t think there’s a decline, wouldn’t you just try to show the reasons why there isn’t a decline (or even ignore it) instead of analyzing the decline and hypothesizing on the reasons for it? i don’t really see your point.

as for the three players you mentioned. . . . i’d say all have been better players than Bibby (Kidd and Nash no question, and probably Billups) and so have a higher level from which to decline.

Skyhawk1

February 8th, 2011
2:27 pm

Trade Zaza and Marvin and J. Smith + 1st round pick for Billups and nene.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 8th, 2011
2:38 pm

It may or may not have been a flagrant on Griffin, but it most certainly was a shooting foul. I have seen it implied in some places that the Hawks stole that game thanks to the refs. One way or another, Horford was going to make two free throws with 0.6 seconds left.

prison mike

February 8th, 2011
2:47 pm

Doesn’t make sense to play him now, the next game is sat.

STRETCH

February 8th, 2011
2:50 pm

And now the Lakers are chating with the Nuggets for a possible Melo/Bynum trade?

Hope they get him and not NY, cause if NY got him The Hawks would slide down in the East.

Section 303

February 8th, 2011
3:00 pm

Najeh, anyone who says that was not a foul is out of their minds. No way that shouldn’t have been called a foul.

One thing that gets lost in that Clipper game….Al makes the late free throws this time! Last time he was in that situation, shooting free throws and game on the line, he missed. The Hawks lost to Utah, at Philips. Al missed the free throws that night. Bounced back on Friday.

Section 303

February 8th, 2011
3:02 pm

STRETCH, I still like the Hawks over the Knicks, even if ‘Melo lands in NYC. Knicks would have to give up a lot of quality parts to get him. They would not be as good as the Hawks with just ‘Melo and that d-bag in the goggles, who Al is going to school again on Feb. 16.

doc

February 8th, 2011
3:12 pm

agree najeh and 303, i can still put a lot of body into it without putting a hand on anyone. he fouled him and could have held him up once collision was made.that was where the flagrant came in. that still would have stopped the easy score and put him on the line. once it was chest on chest and he knew it was a foul then if the guy is helpless then you better not allow him to go to the floor which it looked like blake was doing at the end of the play. al made a “hard foul” on ford and it cost him games if i remember a couple of years ago as he tried to stop a play at the end of the game, too. it is also when they found out ford had a spinal stenosis which is not what al did to him but was there all the time and what daniels has as well.

rollow lawson

February 8th, 2011
3:17 pm

Section 303, I agree that Griffin did not willfully try to hurt Horford, but his actions resulted in Al being taken out of the air and landing flat on his back. In today’s NBA, that definitely is a flagrant foul. If you ask me, I think Al caught Griffin off guard. He didn’t think Al was going to come that hard. He was late in reacting and flattened him.

Westurd

February 8th, 2011
3:35 pm

Al is the heart of this team…..if you didn’t see it last Friday night you will never see it.

M@

February 8th, 2011
4:27 pm

Any chance Hawks would trade for Nash? Or does that thought go out the window because Suns are playing better with Gortat in lineup?

Would package of Marvin, Jordan, Jamal, Teague and 1st rounder even be enough for Nash and Frye (works for contract reasons…could spread floor for Horford). Lineup would be: Nash, JJ, JSmoove, Frye, Horford with Bibby, Wilkins, Mo and Zaza off the bench.

Am I pipedreaming? ‘Dream Team’ idea wearing off from UGA hoopla?

Ra'mon

February 8th, 2011
5:17 pm

The call was undoubtedly a flagrant, rather malicious intent was there or not. But I must admit, it was a GREAT play on Griffin’s behalf. Everyone in the league has seen this play now, and will think twice about driving straight to him again. In the 80s, people didn’t decide to not drive the lanes against Detroit because of the athleticism of the Pistons. They decided to settle for jumpers instead of driving, because they knew the other team was crazy enough to knock you flat on your back if you drove. I actually WISH we had someone on the roster who would be willing to foul that hard on the Hawks. The only person on the roster probably is Etan. And he’s so slow the play will be over before he even get down court in a defensive position. Offense is majority skill. But defense is majority mental. And being in the other team’s mind is an attribute we could definitely use. I was growing tired of Blake until that play happened!

The Truth

February 8th, 2011
5:24 pm

MC: @The Truth: “you will have to show me the “cop-ups” and excuses because i don’t see them.”

note: pardon my sarcasm, it’s really “cop-out”

MC: I compared Bibby’s MP to comparable PGs and his minutes are not that much more than his peers on average. So the notion that he’s wearing down due to excessive minutes for his age is a stretch based on your statement:

“Even Bibby, not one to usually give much credence to his age as a limiting factor, acknowledges that he doesn’t quite have the same bounce at this time of year as seasons past.”

I’m also puzzled by this question:

“if you don’t think there’s a decline, wouldn’t you just try to show the reasons why there isn’t a decline (or even ignore it) instead of analyzing the decline and hypothesizing on the reasons for it? i don’t really see your point.”

The Truth is “yes” Bibby has declined based on the stats numbers; I don’t dispute that. According to your report: LD said: “He may be experiencing a little [fatigue],” That suggests too many minutes played. So I just listed his MP compared to his peers which showed not much different. I therefore conclude a lame excuse. Why is that so hard to understand? If he just want to “skate” and not play hard until the playoff, seems the obvious rationale. But @ 32, I’m not buying he’s playing too many minutes and getting fatigue. His physical limitation due to lack of preparation is something I would buy though.

Mudcat

February 8th, 2011
5:36 pm

Until Sund trades for a real PG, we’re not going to get better.

KevinM

February 8th, 2011
5:39 pm

Bibby is nowhere near the level of Nash, Billups and Kidd.

We’re talking about the 41st best PG in the vs 3 in the Top 10. Who’s kidding who here?

Bibby is all about the 3 and little more….yet, he keeps getting 32mpg.

Amazing…….the Bibster has Larry fooled to think he’s who the core trust…..ugh. Good thing they can win despite him.

KevinM

February 8th, 2011
5:40 pm

Mudcat, Sund will get right on that….next summer.

KevinM

February 8th, 2011
5:42 pm

The problem with Bibster off the bench is that he slows down the 2nd unit coming in…no improvement in the tempo. You need a guy to push the ball up the court…we have Teague as our only hope.

We seem so limited sometimes with our versatile roster.

drmaryb (*_*)

February 8th, 2011
6:04 pm

“. al made a “hard foul” on ford and it cost him games if i remember a couple of years ago as he tried to stop a play at the end of the game, too. it is also when they found out ford had a spinal stenosis which is not what al did to him but was there all the time and what daniels has as well.”
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Spot on doc. I forgot that Al got suspended a few games. Why didn’t Blake get suspended, esp. After those comments he made about payback for all the hard fouls he has gotten.

Ra'mon

February 8th, 2011
6:12 pm

Drmaryb, Al’s foul was on a fast break, and his arms were low, compared to Griffin’s who hands were up high the entire time. Al struck Ford around the neck. Al was hurt coming down on the court, not from the initial impact. Also, Griffin’s the league’s new step child, lol.

Michael Cunningham

February 8th, 2011
6:12 pm

Blog updates with Horford out for game.

SmallTimes

February 8th, 2011
6:18 pm

Why is Horford out for the game now? He said he was going to play….?

ATL FAN

February 8th, 2011
6:24 pm

“Planned” to play. You can change your mind SmallTimes lol

lewis

February 8th, 2011
6:31 pm

because its stupid for him to play when he could get off for awhile and rest it

lewis

February 8th, 2011
6:31 pm

maybe Bibby/JJ/Mo/Marvin/Josh

Jae Evolution

February 8th, 2011
6:33 pm

Does this mean Zaza will get the start again?

Against Washington he gave us very good minutes and got to the FT line consistently.

ag

February 8th, 2011
6:34 pm

Looking at the play, Griffin was going for a block and Hortford a two hand slam. Both are great athletes and when they collided, it was an impact as both players were on the ground for several minutes. The only reason it was a foul is because Griffin was in the restricted area.

Hawks88fan

February 8th, 2011
7:00 pm

1. Griffin was beat and late and should have let Al go. Too much weight on another player’s chest that’s defenseless up in the air.
2. LD is seeing on TV telling Al, put it down – I knew the play was for Al and for a dunk.

doc

February 8th, 2011
7:03 pm

if a hawk does it he gets a flagrant and suspension ra’mon. not worth it.

Sautee

February 8th, 2011
7:17 pm

‘Nique cracks me up saying: “Oogadolla”

Sautee

February 8th, 2011
7:20 pm

So are we afraid of big bad Hawes? Take it to the rim.

Sautee

February 8th, 2011
7:25 pm

What a fabulous first quarter. And at home, yet.

Ugh.

It was not a bad pick

February 8th, 2011
7:49 pm

Live from this blow out…I hope everyone just seen Marvin coast to coast lay up..man this kid is talented!

doc

February 8th, 2011
9:43 pm

awful game from the phillips.

man if they dont comre to compete they are a very bad team.

slimjr

February 9th, 2011
10:07 am