Atlanta Hawks: Is Bibby beat down?
The calendar says Bibby will be 33 in May, so he’s still a young man in the real world. But in NBA terms, it means Bibby is in the twilight of a distinguished career that is at 1013 games (including playoffs) and counting.
The numbers say Bibby’s offensive production and efficiency have fallen off as the season grows longer, even when viewing them in the narrow context of his role as a spot-up shooter. That suggests that Bibby might be wearing down as the season approaches the All-Star break.
Even Bibby, not one to usually give much credence to his age as a limiting factor, acknowledges that he doesn’t quite have the same bounce at this time of year as seasons past.
“It’s different,” he said. “I can definitely feel . . . I am not going to say I feel my age. Because what I still do out there is I’ve catered myself to the roll of taking care of the team and making sure everybody is doing what they need to be doing and making sure they have fun and do what it takes to win.”
L.D. said the video evidence also suggests Bibby is tiring. But he said he has no plans to systemically reduce Bibby’s minutes after they increased from October/November to December to January.
“He may be experiencing a little [fatigue],” he said. “I have been watching a lot of film of him earlier in the season versus now, and clearly you can see a difference in how he’s moving. And his legs may be a little tired. It won’t be a situation of me giving up on him or me really cutting his minutes down. If I cut his minutes down, it will only be because of how the game is going, [if] we are in a pretty good rhythm.”
Drew said Atlanta’s W at Washington was such a case. Bibby sat for the final 17 minutes as L.D. opted to close with a Jamal/J.J./Damien/Marvin/Smoove alignment (sans injured Al).
“In those type situations, those will be the times when he will be limited, especially in the second half,” L.D. said. “But for the most part his minutes will stay consistent.”
Bibby’s outside shooting, meanwhile, is on a downward trend both in terms of his 3-point shooting and his attempts from 16 to 23 feet. He has a knack for getting open for the latter shot type by using pump fakes or a quick step-in after the catch, but the Hoopdate shot location stats show that he’s taking fewer of those attempts and making them less often without the benefit of an assist.
(Complied using data from Hoopdata.com)
Playing 18 games in October/November, Bibby was 38 of 73 on 3-pointers (52.1 percent). He made 19 of 49 attempts from 16 to 23 feet (38.8 percent) with 10 of them (53 percent) assisted.
Playing 17 games in December, Bibby was 33 of 73 on 3-pointers (45.2 percent). He made 24 of 53 attempts from 16 to 23 feet (45.3 percent) with 13 of them (54 percent) assisted.
Playing 13 games in January, Bibby was 26 of 67 on 3-pointers (38.8 percent). He made 4 of 20 attempts from 16 to 23 feet (20 percent) with three of them assisted (75 percent).
Playing three games in February, Bibby is 4 of 15 on 3-pointers (26.7 percent). He has made 0 of 4 attempts from 16 to 23 feet.
Considering his defensive limitations and relative lack of production as a playmaker, Bibby obviously is much less valuable to the Hawks if he’s not making shots at a high clip.
“Everybody looks at it like I am not scoring as much, but I really don’t have to,” Bibby said. “We’ve got three All-Stars [he's counting Josh] and the sixth man of the year. My job is not to score. My main thing I want to do is when that ball makes it around to me, make the shot and kind of spread the floor for them.”
With the recent dip in shooting, Bibby’s season percentage on shots from 16 to 23 feet (38) is now less than the league average (39.4). His 3-point percentage (44) is still well above the league average (36).
Bibby likens his current situation to his time in Sacramento. He was younger then but he played more minutes and carried a bigger offensive burden than he does now.
“You always need a break,” he said. “Everybody always says it isn’t a sprint, it’s a marathon. It takes a toll on your body. Everybody always sees the glamorous parts. . . . No one gets to see the grind. I’ve been preparing myself for this grind. I am not like I was when I was younger, to where I could go full-fledged practice every day, all day, for nine months straight. I let [Drew] know how I am feeling the next day and stuff like that. Coming from coaches that have played, they understand.”
Injury report
Al, still recuperating from his fall, sat out practice today. He was in the training room so I didn’t get to check with him but he told Ken S. the other night he would play tomorrow against the Sixers.
“I am sure Wally [Blase] will be listening to Al to see how he feels,” L.D. said. “If he feels like he can go, I am sure he will let him go.”
J.J. also didn’t practice because of some tendinitis in his left knee that he termed “no big deal.” He said he will play against the Sixers.
Smoove was limited because of his left knee but he’s expected to play tomorrow, too.
Only Al appears on the Hawks’ injury report.
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ag
February 7th, 2011
5:34 pm
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ag
February 7th, 2011
5:38 pm
Watching the game vs. the Clips, Teague did okay. I just don’t see why he get’s DNP’s. Even if the young guy makes mistakes, I have said I would love seeing him play 20 minutes and play more witht he starters. Could you imagine his drive and dish to Josh and Al?(instead to ZaZa and whomever). He can go to the hole anytime he wants. According to hopinion, they have some good stats on Teague and Bret Lagree seems to be pretty high on him.
ATL FAN
February 7th, 2011
5:38 pm
Nice article
Go Heels!
February 7th, 2011
5:46 pm
LDII is a dirt ball
ag
February 7th, 2011
5:52 pm
Reading were if the Suns deal Nash, they will also deal his buddy Grant. Imagine those two in a Hawks uniform! Nash will make the Hawks an instant contender and Grant will replace Marvin nicely. Have to do the trade machine to see what works, but they should not give up the “core” – Josh, Al, & Joe
slimjr
February 7th, 2011
5:53 pm
LD read my lips: “START JEFF TEAGUE YESTERDAY”
Bibby is running on FUMES…….He now official belongs to the old geezer club……………lol….
StottsEra
February 7th, 2011
5:57 pm
some of those percentages are wrong – > 32 of 73 on 3-pointers (52.1 percent). not true
StottsEra
February 7th, 2011
5:58 pm
also, this shows that Teague is no worse than bibby, thanks Bret http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2011/02/production-is-in-eye-of-beholder.html
Westurd
February 7th, 2011
5:59 pm
Jeff aint all that guys….if you’ve been watching Teague in game time situations he sort of floats around the court. If you watch him during time outs he is sort of watching the jumbo tron to see who is on kiss cam. Yes Bibby is tired, but Teague is a difficult solution to the problem. I have been in Teagues corner for a long time, but am starting to give up hope.
LD has to be given some credit to his magnagement of the line up this year. Even now with Bibby being burnt he is still trying to play with the limited line up which usually means Teague must continue to stay out. Do you ever ask your self why none of the players ever come to Teagues defense? I just think Teague isn’t that hungry to be in this league and is assuming he will just inherit Bibbys time and not have to earn it.
O'Brien
February 7th, 2011
6:00 pm
Good writeup MC.
But I’m confused. The video evidence that LD is watching suggests Bibby is getting tired, Bibby also implied that he is feeling tired ( he said he does not have the bounce he had earlier in the year), and his production has declined every month since the season started.
But yet…LD said he has no plans to cut his minutes? Huh?
Ray
February 7th, 2011
6:02 pm
@ ag
I agree I think it’s high time for teague to take his lumps with the starting unit.
I say LD needs to stop playing scared and just let the man play. At this rate he’ll be just like the PG’s under Woodson before him. Which is sad cause the way I see it teague has the ability to be at least a great PG maybe not Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, CP3, but he could be As good as Russell Westbrook, Raymond Felton.
For pete sake if someone is suppose to be the future of the team why aren’t they letting him play with the starters maybe not all the time, but at least a little bit.
Westurd
February 7th, 2011
6:02 pm
Stotts,
Even if Teagues numbers are a bit better the team probably plays a lot better with the leadership and familiarity of Bibby. I don’t think that shows up in the numbers.
DHD
February 7th, 2011
6:03 pm
Aaron Brooks
Trojan
February 7th, 2011
6:04 pm
Larry: That sounds like a crappy plan you have.
Kevin Anderson
February 7th, 2011
6:05 pm
Bibby is old I agree, but he runs our offense perfectly. If you dont understand that you dont understand the position of PG.
Ray
February 7th, 2011
6:06 pm
@Westurd
Honestly I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone on the team come to another’s defense outside the starting 5(original starting 5 not the JC starting line-up).
FYI...
February 7th, 2011
6:11 pm
Errors on percentages/stats in here… 32 of 73 isn’t 52.1%, 10 of 19 isn’t 63 percent, and so on. Need a math check on that whole section from hoopdata.
Also, as long as we are talking trends, see 2009-10 for splits on shooting trends. It might be worth pointing out, that as long as we are asking the question, “Is Bibby beat down?,” that we might be asking the wrong question. The real question might be, “Will Bibby rebound in shooting exactly like he did last year once the page turns from Feb. to March?”
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bibbymi01/splits/2010/
Maybe the real question is “If Bibby shoots 38% from 16-28 feet and 44% from 3pt, why is he ever shooting anything that isn’t a layup or a three?”
MJC
February 7th, 2011
6:12 pm
Kevin Anderson
February 7th, 2011
6:05 pm
Bibby is old I agree, but he runs our offense perfectly. If you dont understand that you dont understand the position of PG.
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Bibby is a huge defensive liability at this time in his career. The fact that he isn’t making shots to go with that shows that he is starting to wear down extremely quick.
Michael Cunningham
February 7th, 2011
6:13 pm
@O’Brien: “But I’m confused. The video evidence that LD is watching suggests Bibby is getting tired, Bibby also implied that he is feeling tired ( he said he does not have the bounce he had earlier in the year), and his production has declined every month since the season started. But yet…LD said he has no plans to cut his minutes? Huh?”
my guess is that if L.D. actually does plan to cut those minutes, he doesn’t want it to sound like he’s doing so because Bibby is wearing down even if that’s the reason he does it. at least i think that’s what is going on with that.
slimjr
February 7th, 2011
6:13 pm
LD, you must get Teague battle tested for the playoffs asap…Bibby will get crushed again in the playoffs.
Chad
February 7th, 2011
6:14 pm
The only logical reason I can think of as to why Drew wouldn’t decrease Bibby’s minutes is …. no I can’t think of one.
O'Brien
February 7th, 2011
6:18 pm
MC,
Your math is wrong. “Playing 18 games in October/November, Bibby was 32 of 73 on 3-pointers (52.1 percent)..
32 of 73 is 43.8%, not 52.1%.
Ray
February 7th, 2011
6:24 pm
@ slimjr
It’s too late for teague to be battle tested for the playoffs as it seems he didn’t care the first 41 games if you know what I mean.
Seriously now is a good time for the end of the bench including JC2 and Etan Thomas to show what they are worth to the team even Powell.
StottsEra
February 7th, 2011
6:26 pm
you are WAY over rating “leadership and familiarity of Bibby”. browse around hoopinion, there is proof EVERYWHERE that Teague is just as good as Bibby
when you do your self assessment of Teague, and if you’re not going to use stats, at least assess him when he is not paired up with jordan crawford or wilkins in the backcourt
drmaryb (*_*)
February 7th, 2011
6:34 pm
Teague does not know how to run the offense and doesn’t know where all the guys should be at on the floor, he does not talk on offense nor defense. Does not fight through screens. He just basically walks the ball up like he is Bibby.
He is supposed to run like john wall does, every time out. I’m here screaming at the TV, “Run Fool, Run!”. I thought he had some gears?
doc
February 7th, 2011
6:38 pm
bibby, was pretty beat down when he got here after his thumb surgery then spraining an ankle. he really never got in shape that season; he never has looked to comfortable moving since then. i remember him a little different from his days in sac and just dont see any signs of resurgence physically from day one only decline. he was supposed to lead the break and it just hasnt happened. now what can be done to correct this long standing flaw in the hawks game.
Astro Joe
February 7th, 2011
6:40 pm
I still believe the PG issue belongs to Sund… he put all of the eggs in an aging Bibby and an unproven Teague to start the season. A coach can only play the hand he’s dealt, time for Sund to earn his February paycheck.
Ray
February 7th, 2011
6:40 pm
@ drmaryb
That’s something that Teague is going to have to learn though don’t know if their coaching him right.
Far as I’m concerned the major thing missing for Teague is a Jumpshot if he gets that he’s already on par with Westbrook and a few others. Then if he learns to run a offense to perfection well you know what happens after that lol.
I think he’ll get it one day, but right now it’s only year 2 we’ve given Josh and Marvin like 7 and 6 years I know what most of ya’ll say about Marvin, and sometimes Josh, but I’m like at least give teague to about year 4 or so.
Now what I will say is this upcoming draft we should draft another PG to compete with Teague cause it probably will cause him to actually fight for the job. If he’s not fighting for it right now the only reason probably is that he sees Bibby slowing down like everyone else does.
doc
February 7th, 2011
6:41 pm
classic teague was on display on friday, on one end he misses going for a steal and looks around like what happened? on the other end he penetrates and gets his lay up swatted away. too much of that is what i have seen.
Astro Joe
February 7th, 2011
6:43 pm
Of course, most players are tired at this point of the season… the All-Star break isn’t just a showcase for the a few dozen NBA players, it also gives guys a chance to reenergize as well.
lewis
February 7th, 2011
6:43 pm
But he’s not hitting ANYTHING lately.
Bibby only benefits the team if he hits his 3’s.
He is freaking 33 years old and has played a ton of minutes in his career
I’m not saying make Teague the starter, but at least make him a true backup. Its not like we’re going to win anything this year
ag
February 7th, 2011
6:44 pm
Westurd, I have watched the games and watched Teague dunk on people, make steals, rebound, etc. The only time he takes a more passive roll is when Jamal is in the game, he tends to give it to him and go to the corner. He played good ball when Jamal was hurt. Watching the kid play gives me the impression he has game. He will make mistakes. He does look aloof during the timeouts.
PLAY JEFF TEAGUE
Luke M
February 7th, 2011
6:47 pm
Is Jake Gylenhaal a dream boat?
(Yes, of course Bibby is beat down, washed up, and absolutely useless.)
Grandad
February 7th, 2011
6:51 pm
* 1st @ KevinM;
Amir Johnson is not a clone of our Bigs.
He reportedly has grown 2 inches since being drafted by Pistons.
*[out of HS]
That would make him 6-11 with proportionate wing-span.
(long and lean)
Shot blocker, rim defender! Almost a 60% fg shooter.
Contract = reasonable, especially since he is a burgeoning talent.
Plays hard with a motor ! Only 23 and already been in the league 5 yrs.
What’s not to like?
** Amir Johnson ** … G-dad’s~~~bandwagon … jump on !!!
! Sund ! … Git ‘er done.
ag
February 7th, 2011
6:52 pm
Doc, you mention Friday night he had his shot blocked and misses going for a steal, but he scored on a nice floater going to the hole. He was 1-3 with an offensive rebound (the shot that was blocked) in SIX minutes. Bibby was 0-6 (0-5 3fg)3 ast 3 rbs in 26 minutes
tyger
February 7th, 2011
6:53 pm
Interested to see how LD shapes his rotation down the stretch. Horford’s injury allowed ZaZa a rare start and he responded. Damien Wilkens also came thru down the stretch vs. the Wizards when Crawford didn’t have it. Those two and possibly Evans, Powell could be X-factors down the stretch.
I think its still appropriate to give Bibby the ceremonial start, but he’s nothing more than a spot-shooter and setup man at this point. His value is diminishing rapidly, don’t think he really has another useful year in his tank. The spirit is willing but the legs cannot. Teams are aggressively attacking him at-will now. And Teague is no salve; I think that experiment is about over.
It appears Jamal Crawford and Damien will be given the opportunity in the backcourt. Damien was a useful player at one time, he appears overweight and rusty, but still flashes game. Hopefully, LD can whip him into shape over the next few weeks, he could be a nice find for Sund.
ZaZa needs minutes – he has the low post game to get easy baskets, but his minutes are so few and far in between that he gets no calls from the refs. I’ve seen teams hack him mercilessly over that past few games. Other name brand players would get 50% of those calls.
The latter half of February and March will be a test. I wish they would pick up a quick point from the Dleague or somewhere to help fill at least one void.
drmaryb (*_*)
February 7th, 2011
6:54 pm
Teague Time!
Really tired of talking about Teague. He need to see the Wizard and get a Heart!
I read where Drew said, Josh knows everybody’s position on the floor, where they should be at and when. His nifty passes are more about premonitions than anything else. Josh, literally sees the play before it develops and puts the ball on the money. ZaZa and Marvin usually fumbles those passes out of bounds, by virtue of being out of position. I don’t think Powell knows any of the called motion sets at all. Many times we don’t see the motion offense being run, due to the personnel on the floor.
Sometimes the team looks really organized and at times, not so much. I guess that’s due to all the untimely injuries. Sund, needs to go get himself a PG or I and many others will find better things to do on week nights and weekends.
Grandad
February 7th, 2011
6:59 pm
* Concerning Bibby:
(1) LD recognizes he is tired.
More than one way to skin a cat.
Bibby said he is letting LD know, i e practice etc.
[Kobe never practices]
Cutting min is not the end all for resting a player.
(2) the scedule lets up some in the 2nd half – correct.
(3) Teague is not playing?
Could he be traded @ the deadline?
(4) Trust our Coach.
(5) Jamal & Joe are our back-up pgs. [not Teague]
O'Brien
February 7th, 2011
7:05 pm
Grandad,
Agreed on (1), but for (2), hawks actually have some tough games in the second half of the season. (3) Rick will not get much for Teague. I go back and forth on (4), because LD’s words and his actions dont always match up. Agreed on (5).
O'Brien
February 7th, 2011
7:06 pm
To be fair, Bibby’s post season average the last 2 years;
2009-2010; 8.5 pts, 2.5 assists, 2 rebounds, 45% from the field, and 42% from behind the arc in 26.5 minutes per game
2008-2009; 13.2 pts, 4 assists, 3 rebounds, 46% from the field, 54% from behind the arc in 35.5 minutes per game.
And nobody can really say Bibby is the main reason why we got swept in the playoffs the last 2 years, because he is only part of the problem.
Is teague part of the solution? maybe, maybe not.
AJ,
My guess is LD hyped up Teague (Rick’s first draft pick) to Rick, saying Teague could earn the starting position if he plays well enough etc. And with LD being a former PG, maybe Rick thought Teague would have been playing major minutes by now.
It is for this reason why I don’t think LD is the only one to blame for Teague’s inconsistent PT and development. Teague has to accept a big part of the blame as well.
But if there is one thing we know about Rick, is that he is reactive, not proactive. So I’m not surprised no move was made or will be made.
Jay
February 7th, 2011
7:09 pm
Bibby is done. The stats don’t like. The problem is compounded by the fact at Teague isn’t any good. Once again, we have a point guard problem.
Michael Cunningham…any legs on the rumor that the Hawks called the Suns about Nash?
drmaryb (*_*)
February 7th, 2011
7:10 pm
Might as well give Jordan a look at point. I read on hoopshype last weekend that Kobe and Jamal are the #1 and #2 Black Holes of the League. The ball goes in but, it never comes back out! I know Jamal is our gunner, but he is not a willing passer. Much like Jordan Crawford, who is waiting in the wings to take over that Gunner job next season for a fraction of the cost. How ironic that they have the same names for goodness sakes. Jordan can just slide into Jamal’s jersey?
Having said that, Jamal will not be that easily replaced, if at all. He should get a new contract IMHO.
Michael Cunningham
February 7th, 2011
7:13 pm
@O’Brien, FYI: the numbers have since been changed, tnx . . .
Ken Strickland
February 7th, 2011
7:14 pm
OBRIEN-LDrew is implying that he has no intention of giving Teague any additional mins or opportunities. Right after making that stupid comment about him not reducing Bibby’s mins, even though both he and Bibby acknowledged a case of fatigue, he gave an example of resting Bibby by pointing to the 17 mins he sat him in the 2nd half of our last gm.
Bibby said he doesn’t feel it’s his job to score, but when you generate only 3.6APG, and dropping, and seldom create easy scoring opportunities for your teammates, as well as being a definite DEF liability, WHAT IN THE HELL DOES HE THINK HE’S SUPPOSED TO DO, IF NOT SCORE? Before the season started, LDrew kept stating Teague would get every opportunity to replace Bibby, and Bibby responded by playing good ball. Now that he knows LDrew will protect him and his mins, just like Woodson did, he’s become complacent and is now making excuses for his poor scoring.
UGA
February 7th, 2011
7:15 pm
TJ Ford is not playing a lick in Indy. I’d like to see us get him here. He is a FA after this year. Obviously there is no confidence in Teague.
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drmaryb (*_*)
February 7th, 2011
7:23 pm
Teague’s upside may be that of Royal Ivey or Rajon Rondo! Who knows, I wish the kid had a pulse or a facial expression. He hasn’t earned the status to be like Joe – flat affect.
drmaryb (*_*)
February 7th, 2011
7:29 pm
TJ Ford has a congenital spinal stenosis (a narrowing of the spinal canal – hereditary). I believe Marquis Daniels has the same condition in Boston.
Do yall really want another Speedy Claxton or Alan ‘Hindu’ Henderson on that there bench! I’m tired of Freaking left overs! I want some Prime Rib or a Porter House Steak – Maane!
Bump That! …. Rag Tag Bunch and them Grandma’s 2 day old biscuits!
superiorblogman
February 7th, 2011
7:32 pm
Two-plus weeks until the trade deadline, and the Carmelo Circus aside, along with those guys who everyone knows are on the block — like the Nets’ Troy Murphy and the Knicks’ Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry — here are the guys that, according to front office sources around the league, are eminently gettable before Feb. 24: Golden State center Andris Biedrins, Memphis guard O.J. Mayo, Lakers forward Ron Artest, Portland centers Marcus Camby and Joel Przybilla, Philadelphia forward Andre Iguodala, Phoenix forward Josh Childress, Washington forward Rashard Lewis, Detroit guard Rip Hamilton, Cleveland forward Antawn Jamison, Minnesota guard Jonny Flynn, Charlotte forwards Stephen Jackson and Boris Diaw and Houston forward Jared Jeffries. NBA.com
no justice
February 7th, 2011
7:54 pm
There is one way Teague can start or get significant minutes on this team. Bibby will have to break both legs. I’m not sure he will start or get minutes even then. Joe and Jamal will probably get the call. Jeff maybe able to start on a D-League team, maybe!
Jesse
February 7th, 2011
8:07 pm
If Teague played with any confidence, and could hit outside shots he’d earn more playing time…. that says a lot about him if LD won’t play him more if Bibby is that tired.
Grandad
February 7th, 2011
8:31 pm
Enter your comments here
J.J.M
February 7th, 2011
8:32 pm
Will we ever find a elite point guard???
Grandad
February 7th, 2011
8:36 pm
O’Brien:
Concerning Bibby and the 2nd half schedule;
I was referring to less back to backs and more home games.
Although I’ve not studied the schedule,
I’m going on what our blog brethren have posted.
As always, I appreciate your input.
cp
February 7th, 2011
8:50 pm
Its time to trade for a pg. Bibby looks about done and LD doesn’t seem to have any confidence in Teague.
Atlanta Fawkers
February 7th, 2011
8:53 pm
His face is.
O'Brien
February 7th, 2011
8:53 pm
Grandad,
The Hawks are 12-4 in the second game of back to backs, so the absence of back to back games in the second half is not necessarily a good thing (imo).
And the Hawks have a brutal stretch coming up that will tell us alot about the Hawks.
Starting next Monday (2/14), Hawks play 7 straight road games including 2 back to backs (@Det, @ Knicks, @ Lakers, @ Suns, @ Warriors, @ Portland, @ Denver).
After that, they come home for 4 straight home games against Bulls, OKC, Knicks and Lakers.
Lots of good basketball games, but at least they will have a good amount at home too.
Atlanta Fawkers
February 7th, 2011
8:56 pm
FYI – Bet on whatever team beats Hawks in the playoffs this year to win it all according to MLB champs (Giants) and NFL champs (Packers). The road to trophy involves beating Atlanta I guess.
Carrlos Lyles
February 7th, 2011
9:15 pm
approaching-perfection.com Atl your pg is coming.. shouts to the Eastside
Ra'mon
February 7th, 2011
9:16 pm
Steve Nash is still the answer in my book. And if it takes JC1 to get him, make it happen. I could easily see Nash coming in. And attempting to trade Mo and change for Barbosa. When you have a point guard like Nash who can facilitate for others, the necessity for ISO specialists is minimized. Imagine Nash and Horford/Josh/Joe running pick and roll during the playoffs. Not to mention the type of mentors Nash and Hill can be on this team. Both of their work ethics has always been great (similar to Joe, Josh, and Al’s). After being a fan of a franchise that always had ‘potential’ and a ‘future’, the NBA is now about the current window. When you give your free agent 120 million dollars, you’re saying you want to win now not later. Everyone said Boston’s window would only be for 2-3 seasons. Yet four seasons later they’re still the team to beat in the league, and can easily have a strong team next year. Detroit dominated for four years. They would’ve kept being formidable in the playoffs if they didn’t take the gamble of trading a facilitator (Billups) for an isolator (Iverson). This summer, the Hawks will NOT be the highest bidder for JC1. And after not negotiating with him all of the off season, he has no reason to show any loyalty to them. At least with Josh and Joe, they extended offers to them the off season before the contract expired. So go ahead and get something for Crawford now. And Nash is a great consolation prize.
Gracie hudson
February 7th, 2011
9:25 pm
I am the biggest mike bibby fan there is.!
The only reason I watch the hawks is because of mike if he wasn’t on the hawks then I would watch him AT ALL.!
So if mike bibby ever reads this just remember I love you! And I’m your biggest fan!!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 7th, 2011
9:26 pm
Jason Kidd is 37 and he isn’t “beat down”. Just saying…
lifelong Hawks fan
February 7th, 2011
9:35 pm
To the poster championing Amir Johnson, he’s very productive, but he’s also one of the most prolific foulers in the NBA. He can’t stay on the floor to save his life. Factoring in his contract, and he just isn’t worth it.
ag
February 7th, 2011
9:38 pm
I think if they would trade for Nash will be great. Drmary said no expression from Teague…well that goes for most of the guys including Joe. Anyway, the kid plays hard those six minutes. Go to NBA.com and look at his highlights. He has some very nice plays. I was not sold on the guy until I saw he have a near triple double against Cleveland last year, scoring 27 points (in 48 minutes)… Give Bibby the same exact situation, and he would not come close!
jose
February 7th, 2011
9:41 pm
Nash earns 10.3 million per season this year and next season and Grant Hill is 3.5 mil with the same terms. Jamal 10.8 and Mo 2.5 expiring this year. If Phoenix really wants to rebuild, they need # 1 picks and cap space. The Hawks can offer 13.3 mil expiring contracts and their # 1 pick. This is best deal Phoenix will get which will allow them to have 3 # 1 picks and 32 million in cap space. Both teams get what they want. Phoenix can truly rebuild quickly and the Hawks become a real contender.
Finally, trade Teague for the Kings C/F Thompson. The Hawks end up with a PG, SF, and a true back up big man. Moreover, Nash and Hill contracts end at the end of the 2012 season just in time for the D. Howard sweepstakes!
ag
February 7th, 2011
9:47 pm
Okay, after a good preseason, Teague played in the first three games of his career, the last played 18 minutes, scored 12pts on 5-7 shooting. He sank his only trey, had two steal and 3 ast. The next game in Portland he was a DNP. That has been the message his entire career. The last game of the season, he played 48 minutes, 11-10 fg 1-4 3pt 15 ast and 5 rebs for 24 pts. The next 7 games (playoffs Milwaukee) two DNP’s and never played over 7 minutes. Again, WTF message does this kid have. I see why he should not have ANY confidence!
ag
February 7th, 2011
9:48 pm
actually 11-19
Najeh Davenpoop
February 7th, 2011
9:50 pm
I’ve been a Teague supporter for most of his time as a Hawk, and I still think he can produce, but I can also see the opposing argument that he hasn’t shown much consistency and hasn’t forced LD’s hand into playing him. So I’m not so caught up on whether or not Teague should play. I do think that at this point to rely on Bibby to play that many minutes, including minutes in crunch time, is a recipe for failure. We saw in last year’s playoffs how the Bucks adjusted to the Hawks’ switching defense and started carving it up. In the playoffs, teams have more time to game plan and are more likely to exploit your weaknesses, no matter how hard you try to hide them. The bottom line is that not only does Bibby continue to be a turnstile on defense but the one consistent offensive contribution he has made (the 3 point shot) is no longer falling, essentially making him a liability on both ends of the floor. With that being the situation, the Hawks need to find a different plan. Whether that means Jamal gets more minutes at the point (which he got against Washington with a fair amount of success), or JC2 gets those minutes, or Teague gets those minutes, or the Hawks make a trade, something needs to happen. If you think Stan Van Gundy or Mike D’Antoni won’t have a plan for attacking Bibby in the playoffs, regardless of how hard the Hawks try to hide him, you’re fooling yourselves.
no justice
February 7th, 2011
9:54 pm
You have to look down to find Teague’s up side.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 7th, 2011
9:56 pm
As far as Teague, I will say this: if Bibby is making his jump shots at the same clip as or worse than Teague, I really don’t see how Bibby deserves to be on the floor over him, regardless of how passive Teague is. Even if Teague just gives the ball to Joe or Jamal and stands around the entire possession (which is for the most part what Bibby does anyway, unless someone kicks the ball out to him for 3) his presence on the floor alone improves the Hawks defense simply by virtue of Bibby not being on the floor. That’s not an endorsement of Teague, but it is to say that even average, low impact minutes from Teague are at least equivalent to minutes from Bibby when the outside shot is not falling.
ag
February 7th, 2011
10:03 pm
Man, how can you be consistant scoring 24 pts 15 ast, then playing 5 minutes? How many stats are you going to compile in that time frame. Again, for every good game in his career, is followed with limited minutes. This kid has only had two games this season when he played over 20 minutes, each time scoring in double figures. The Boston game he played 25 minutes 18pts 8-11 fg% 3 steals 4 boards 2 ast (4to). The next night he was reward with 15 minutes 5pts 4 ast, then 7 minutes.. He played 22 minutes against Milwaukee, 10pts, 6 ast, the next game 10 minutes. So how can he be consistent when he is not playing consistantly?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 7th, 2011
10:06 pm
Charlotte beat Boston. Not that Boston is really within reach for the Hawks, but it’s always good to see other East contenders lose.
ag
February 7th, 2011
10:09 pm
Last year, he played 20 minutes in 10 games and averaged 5 ast (most games were scrub time. Imagine what he would do with 35 minutes? The production will surplant Bibby
ILL-Logical
February 7th, 2011
10:41 pm
LD is a rookie head coach and some of the challenges like playing time allocation are proving to be er,challenging.
falconfever
February 7th, 2011
10:43 pm
does anyone remember who mike woodson coached under before coming to atlanta. . . larry brown! meaning point guards dont flurish under larry brown(ask raymond felton or d.j. augustin) brown likes a run the offense type guy who only thinks about scoring when they are wide open like avery johnson or eric snow. It helped one point guard that was chauncey billiups. i guess one out of 10 aint bad. back to my point larry drew coached under woodson so maybe teague will not get a realshot because he is under the larry brown coaching philosphy.
falconfever
February 7th, 2011
10:51 pm
i mean if you say teague at wake he had a swag even as a freshman. he had the green light to do his thing i understand the nba is much more complexed and team oriented but the kid has talent we need a coach to bring out the talents of josh smith and teague. and on josh smith we need to trade him because he has value. and lets face it for whatever reasons we dont attract free agents. Fire rick sund and john drew bring in a young coach like mark jackson who these young guys can relate to. I want to win a championship before i leave this earth and we cant and wont with our gm,hc, and exsisiting roster
falconfever
February 7th, 2011
11:01 pm
ag if you get nash we are still 5th in the east we wont beat chicago because rose will destroy him. i want a championship not home court in the first round. thats why we dont have any because we are content going to the second round of the playoffs.
Rufus1
February 7th, 2011
11:19 pm
ag
That is the problem. People complain he isn’t consistant, but he hasn’t gotten consistant minutes. When he has gotten consistant minutes, he has produced. This is the exact same thing that happen to Law, COACHING INCONSISTANCY…. IT HAS BEEN 7 YEARS OF THE SAME IDEA ABOUT YOUNG PG’S.
Neither LD or Woody wanted a young PG, the only reason they drafted Law was because they passed on CP3 and speedy didn’t workout. They didn’t want to pass on Law and he turned into the next great PG in the league, so they drafted Law to placate the fans.
Now they are giving you the same excuses about Teague, they gave about Law. He isn’t aggressive attacking the rim, he isn’t consistant, he isn’t running the offense…..ONE PROBLEM with his statements.
LD’S OFFENSE IS DESIGNED FOR THE PG TO FLOAT ON THE PERIMETER….that is why Jamal and Bibby take so many 3’s….That is why Bibby gets so many minutes, because he wants the PG to shot 3’s. The only other starting PG in the League of Bibby’s class is FISHER(OLD, Clutch shooter with low production). It isn’t fair to say Teague isn’t agressive, because LD’s offense doesn’t encourage attacking the basket and being agressive to the rim(why do you think Josh spent all offseason on his jump shot and not his low post game)
Teague is a ball dominating PG in the mold of CP3, Drose and Dwilliams(I am not saying he is on their level, just making a ref. to style) He needs the ball in his hand to make plays, Bibby doesn’t.
The only young PG that would get playiing time in LD’s offense is SCurry or JC2….BUT HOW DO YOU TELL ASG YOU NEVER THOUGHT TEAGUE COULD WORK IN YOUR SYSTEM AFTER YOU PROMISED TO DEVELOP HIM.
PS. Bibby wouldn’t be starting for any other team in the league, except MAYBE the Laker(If fisher wasn’t their)
falconfever
February 7th, 2011
11:25 pm
tyrue rufus! how you see what kind of player this guy was in college and then expect him to be avery johnson. Thats poor upper management
falconfever
February 7th, 2011
11:25 pm
i meant so true rufus
falconfever
February 7th, 2011
11:32 pm
i dont know san antonio’s gm is but we need to offer him the world to come to atlanta i mean look at there roster parker ginobili duncan hill blair all draft picks. thats un heard of.
slimjr
February 7th, 2011
11:35 pm
Teague is ready to take over!!! Give him the darn ball LD. What are you afraid of? This kid has a ton of talent let HIM PLAY MEANINGFUL minutes now…Bibby has lost 5 steps in the past 2 month. Some athletes lose it gracefully over time and some loose it over night. Bibby is the latter..Sad but true..Give the kid the ball now don’t wait, you have come to a crossroad with your pg’s LD. Its time to earn your paycheck and show who’s boss…
Freshfromatl
February 7th, 2011
11:36 pm
Najeh,
You obviously don’t read the Dallas blogs lol (althought there is no reason for you to). However, I said that just to let you know that they complain about Jason Kidd downfalls just as much as we do Bibby’s.
KevinM
February 7th, 2011
11:40 pm
Superior, add Billups to your list once Melo gets close to being dealt.
You probably have to take Harrington to get him though….that’s a chunk of change!
Sund isn’t that creative nor will he ever admit the core has weaknesses,
And GrandD, what does Sund have that Toronto can’t wait to do a deal and dump Amir? NBA.com has him listed at 6′9″.
Worldwide Clyde
February 7th, 2011
11:43 pm
Fire Sund
slimjr
February 7th, 2011
11:46 pm
“Starting next Monday (2/14), Hawks play 7 straight road games including 2 back to backs (@Det, @ Knicks, @ Lakers, @ Suns, @ Warriors, @ Portland, @ Denver).
After that, they come home for 4 straight home games against Bulls, OKC, Knicks and Lakers.”
WOW! The Hawks may go 2-9 in that stretch or 3-8?? It’s going to be crazy!!! I feel for LD already. You talk about baptism by fire….Reminder the Hawks lost to New Orleans by 41 on the road last month!!OUCH……………………….Yikes…….The party’s over…………………………..
Freshfromatl
February 7th, 2011
11:48 pm
Also,
I find it amazing that while everyone praises the Bull and give them all of this glory. No one notices that they play in easily the worst division in the NBA.
Chicago – 34/15
Indiana – 21/27
Milwaukee – 19/30
Detroit – 19/32
Cleveland – 8/43
Now, I point out that Chicago is 11-0 in their weak division (they will have a sub 500 road record if they lose to Portland tonight). But someway, somehow, Chicago is still a great, championship contending team SMH. I’m willing to bet, they are still the 5th best team in the East. But no one will notice.
Freshfromatl
February 7th, 2011
11:50 pm
*Bulls*
slimjr
February 7th, 2011
11:52 pm
Who knows the Hawks could easily slip to the six spot in the next four brutal weeks with their up coming sched….
fayncdawg
February 7th, 2011
11:55 pm
Look at it like this: Nash is 37 with the same All-Star stats as he had five years ago. Stockton maintained his All-Star stats throughout most of his playing career (which extended far longer than 33 years of age ie Bibby’s age). Truth of the matter is that a significant drop in production at the mere age of 33 is not good at all. I mean, Bibby’s playing style is not exactly mistaken for DWade’s, so the man should not be wearing down. He just needs to get his mind and body in better shape. Or maybe the Hawks really need to trade for the 37 year old whose mind and body are in far better shape than Bibby’s!
Freshfromatl
February 7th, 2011
11:57 pm
Slimjr,
Who knew the Bulls could easily get exposed from playing in a week division?
Freshfromatl
February 7th, 2011
11:58 pm
*weak*
slimjr
February 8th, 2011
12:06 am
I give the Bulls credit for making aggressive moves in the off season to become competitive again…The Hawks core have been together much longer than the Bulls core so whats their excuse for being 8-11 against above .500 opponents?? Also the Bulls did not lose to anybody by an embarrassing 41 freaking points….Just Nuts……GO HAWKS!!!
drmaryb (*_*)
February 8th, 2011
12:31 am
The Touchables!
Superiorblogman
Thks for that list available players. How come there are no Hawks on that list? Haven’t our bloggers traded them all a thousand times a thousand diufferent ways to a thousand other teams? LOL! I’m surprised or not, about how few PG’s and Centers are on that list that anybody wants.
Rip Hamilton would run well in the motion. But, he is way too expensive at that age. Camby and Pryzbilla are too old and Camby too pricey. Biedriens could help us, but we have to get rid of some people that nobody wants.
SAS
February 8th, 2011
12:34 am
to falconsfever-i dont know san antonio’s gm is but we need to offer him the world to come to atlanta i mean look at there roster parker ginobili duncan hill blair all draft picks. thats un heard of
THE GM OF SPURS IS THE ONE AND ONLY POPOVICH.NO COMMENT…
AS FAR AS THE HAWKS,I LOVE NASH AND BILLUPS BUT THEY ARE TO OLD AND THEY ARE NOT COMING TO ATL.THE ONLY CHANCE WE HAVE IS TO TRY TO BRING STEPHEN CURRY(WARRIORS).I’VE HEARD A RUMOR THAT THEIR COACH WANTS TO KEEP ONLY MONTA ELLIS,SO… RICK SUND GO ,MAKE IT HAPPEND.DO SOMETHING.THIS TEAM IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE WITHOUT A TRY PG.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2011
12:42 am
Portland is about to beat Chicago, bringing the Hawks to within 1.5 games of the 3 seed.
RLP
February 8th, 2011
12:42 am
Chicago has once again lost on the west coast putting their road record below .500. Final score is 109-103.
SAS
February 8th, 2011
12:50 am
NAJEH,WHAT DO U THINK,SINCE WE CAN’T GET A DICENT C RIGHT NOW WITHOUT GIVING UP A GOOD PLAYER,WHY DON’T WE GO FOR A PG NOW AND GET A C NEXT SUMMER(FREE AGENT)?
Worldwide Clyde
February 8th, 2011
12:55 am
All them DNP’s for Teague are taking its toll on Bibby. Told you it would come back to haunt you Drew.
Worldwide Clyde
February 8th, 2011
12:57 am
Trying to win every game has worn Bibby out by the all-star break. SMGDH. Woody would be proud of you Drew.
Worldwide Clyde
February 8th, 2011
1:01 am
We got blown out by the Magic in the playoffs cause people were so tired from playing heavy minutes during the regular season Drew. The way things are going Bibby will need a cane to bring the ball up the court in the playoffs.
MsDee
February 8th, 2011
1:11 am
Dont know why ALL the hate on Teague..NO, Teague may not be the solution but he DEFINITELY ISNT THE PROBLEM!! You guys act as if Teague would lose games for us. All LD needs to do is give Teague GUARANTEED MINUTES, maybe between 10-15min EVERY GAME. Now if Teague is making unnecessary TO’s, of course, take him out but if he isnt helping NOR hurting us, then what is the TRUE difference in BIbby?? Cause Bibby isnt doing ANYTHING out there!! At least Teague gets a couple of rebounds and assists here and now, WITH VERY LIMITED MINUTES. Just image those minutes increase?!?! Bibby flat-out says “he is winded/tired/fatigue/ect” u name it, but STILL NO ADDED MINTUES FOR TEAGUE??????????? ONLY B/C TEAGUE DOESNT HAVE A OUTSIDE SHOT??? ARE U KIDDIN ME???? So what Teague makes a TO, I would rather a TO by Teague with a block shot by him on the other end, than a ‘no TO’ by Bibby but an open lane down the middle against him!!!! WOW, in the words of Ken S..”WHERE IS THE LOGIC???”
MsDee
February 8th, 2011
1:18 am
AND TRUST ME ON THIS, if LD would start giving Teague some GUARANTEED MINTUES, his shots WILL start to fall, his assists WILL go up, his drives to the hole will not only starts to fall, but even if they dont, he WILL create foul opportunities..u know why? CAUSE HE WILL BE GAINING THE NECESSARY EXPERIENCE OUT THERE ON THE COURT, instead of on the bench!!
Grandad
February 8th, 2011
1:18 am
falconfever and SAS:
R.C.Buford is the G.M. of the S.A.Spurs.
He and members of his staff have been contacted in the past
about administrative positions for other teams [Hawks included]
and have politely turned turned them down.
Grandad
February 8th, 2011
1:55 am
lifelong Hawks fan
So what if he fouls!
He’s 23 yrs old and getting better every day.
Amir Johnson, stat line vs the Hawks: [41 min, 20 pts, 13 rebs, 2 blks]
[6-10 give or take an inch]
He’s the long rim defender we’ve been lookin’ for.
Perfect compliment to Al & Josh (dif body type) and skill set.
KevinM;
According to more than one publication AJ is near 7 ft tall now.
Detroit Pistons S.&C. coach Arnie Kander is on record:
measuring him @ 6-11 and stated that he had grown 2 inches since the draft.
kaminari
February 8th, 2011
2:09 am
I just looked at something interesting about Jeff Teague. If you look at the games he played more than 24 minutes, he’s had one two. One last year and one this year. The last game of the year he did mop-up duty against the Cavs and scored 24, dishing out 15 assists. This year he had a game he played 25 minutes and scored 18.
There are many excuses why this guy isn’t playing more, but I bet he seems to score points when he’s out there.
Jae Evolution
February 8th, 2011
2:11 am
What the hell? Brandon Roy is cleared to play this weekend for the Blazers, wow.
I thought he was supposed to be out for the season, that was a REALLY fast recovery. Unfortunately Brandon Roy has a Joe Johnson mentality of maybe coming back a little early from injuries so maybe he’s pushing himself a bit. I guess we will find out when he plays.
tjhook
February 8th, 2011
2:58 am
Since the team doesn’t haveor want a better facilitator at PG, they should trade for a player that can get more offensive possessions. It was a mistake to trade away Josh Childress and there is a chance to right this wrong. JChill can play defense as well as Marvin and moves mire aggressively to the goal on both ends. Conversely, the Suns would like Marvin because Gentry likes shooters in his offense and Marvin can also play both forward positions(replacement for Grant hill by end of next season).
JIm
February 8th, 2011
3:37 am
I wonder why Ray Allen is not tired?
BirdDawg
February 8th, 2011
4:28 am
To all that say Teague is disinterested or lackadaisical in his approach, I offer that it may be because he knows the minutes aren’t coming. Watching Teague in previous years and even in the pre-season, it seemed he was out trying to be the point guard the Hawks need him to be even with is shooting limitations. He played hard if not always smart, but the key to playing smart is a higher comfort level, and the key to a higher comfort level is experience. What do you supposed the key to experience is? More playing time of course. With Bibby’s shooting production in decline, his defensive limitations, and his lack of anything resembling a playmaker, I think it’s time to give the youngster a shot. He is never going to learn if he doesn’t get the court time and if increased time doesn’t show a marked and steady increase in production, then you move to other options. But don’t condemn him to being a bust when he’s never really gotten a fair shot. There are enough veterans on this team that should be able to overcome any mistakes, but other than shooting, he brings everything to the table that Bibby no longer can.
EmirS.
February 8th, 2011
6:51 am
Alot of posts to read. To early in the morning, wont bother. None the less.
I read an article on NBA Mobile that Aaron Brooks got suspened one game after leaving the 4th quarter in a win against Memphis. From what I understand, Brooks was unhappy about his diminishing role on the Rockets. In other words….a disgruntled [wait for it] point guard…maybe?
Now I still believe Teague can make an impact. However seeing as tho Bibby alone cant get us far in the playoffs running the floor, I would’nt mind have someone like Aaron Brooks here. Yes he has been having some trouble with that ankle of his, but as of currently:
Brooks* > Teague and Brooks* > Bibby
* = Bad ankle
Now all of you folks who are good with the numbers and whatnot, go to your little trade machine and get us some ideas of getting the young gun here.
Willy
February 8th, 2011
6:53 am
As much as I complain about the Hawks they’re 24-11 since that 9-7 start.
drmaryb (*_*)
February 8th, 2011
7:02 am
JIm
“I wonder why Ray Allen is not tired?”
______________________
Ray Allen was quoted two years ago saying, “I haven’t eaten a cheeseburger in two years!”. Make that ten years now. The same goes for Steve Nash, he discovered the fountain of youth through Nutrition. He was spotted at his favorite eatery last week having a 5 Bean Soup and Salad.
Drew Brees claimed his career became relevant when he changed his diet and began to take care of his body. He stated a friend taught him about Nutrition.
Look no farther than Tony Gonzalez of the Falcons.
There are a zillion of these miracle career saver stories. Just pick one.
I have never heard anyone talk about Bibby or Marvin’s diet regimen. From Hawks 360 I see Marvin does hire a Chef to prepare all his meals and he favors fish. Who knows what Bibby eats?
EmirS.
February 8th, 2011
7:04 am
OMG!! Its Mr.Sund!!
http://www.nba.com/hawks/photogallery/FCF_2011.html?curPhoto=76
drmaryb (*_*)
February 8th, 2011
7:35 am
* Ray Allen said, “I haven’t eaten a cheeseburger in eight years.”. That was two years ago, so make that ten years now!
Trojan
February 8th, 2011
7:42 am
Bibby will be our weakest link in the playoffs, just like he has been the past two years. Good teams will exploit having the weakest defensive player in the NBA on the court. He again will look tired, just like he has the past two years.
The fate of the Hawks has already been sealed if no changes are made.
Perhaps, LD is the common thread on not being able or willing to develop a PG. Perhaps it was not Woody.
hawks_4_life
February 8th, 2011
7:45 am
DO ANYONE KNOW A GOOD WEBSITE TO WATCH GAMES ONLINE?
O'Brien
February 8th, 2011
7:54 am
With the Bulls loss, the Hawks are 2 games behind (in the loss column). And we play them soon, so if we can beat them, that brings us closer to the #3 seed, which (imo) is where we want to be.
That way, we’ll probably play the Knicks in the first round…and I think we can beat the Knicks. In the second round, we would probably play Miami, and I think we have a chance against Miami.
So we need to keep the pressure on them. We need a win tonight.
terrell
February 8th, 2011
7:56 am
“Is Bibby beat down?” Is this a trick question?
O'Brien
February 8th, 2011
7:58 am
I think one of the challenges for Teague, is when he comes into the game for 3 minutes, LD wants him to play like its the last 3 minutes of his career. And Teague has not done it consistently enough.
However, maybe part of it is just from being a young player (2 years in college, and spotty minutes his first 2 NBA seasons, on a team with an established veteran culture).
If I’m LD, I would give Teague a few minutes here and there with the starters (in those games where Bibby is struggling), and I think that would do wonders for his confidence.
But if LD and Rick dont think Teague is the answer, then they need to make a move by the trade deadline, even if its to bring in old Jason Williams who got waived by Orlando.
Hoops
February 8th, 2011
7:59 am
It’s time to get a PG. Trade Crwaford1 for D. Harris.
terrell
February 8th, 2011
8:02 am
Free Jordan Crawford!
terrell
February 8th, 2011
8:12 am
And Bibby’s here for another year. Better get the Depends undergarments ready.
slimjr
February 8th, 2011
8:12 am
“As much as I complain about the Hawks they’re 24-11 since that 9-7 start.”
And your pt???????
Throw out the regular season Sir. They won 53 games last year and were annihilated in the playoffs…
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Ray
February 8th, 2011
8:14 am
Well you know I remember Sacramento wanting Teague awhile back. When I think of that they must see a lot in him to want him so bad.
It’s just like with Jordan Crawford I bet teams are just waiting in line to have at him if they can. JC2 has a huge upside in fact I’ll still say we got the biggest steal in the draft last year.
Still let the boy play he couldn’t be any worse then most of our guys outside of Josh, Al, and Joe(cause they are the core).
JeJe
February 8th, 2011
8:19 am
So glad to see Charlotte beat the Celtics last night!
Kwame looked like he was about to destroy Kendrick after that rough foul
JeJe
February 8th, 2011
8:23 am
What’s up with everyone on the team being banged up?
And I hope we don’t take this team lightly tonight- Philly is on fire. I am so tired of having 3-4 days off then laying an egg (Milwaukee comes to mind)
slimjr
February 8th, 2011
8:23 am
“It’s time to get a PG. Trade Crwaford1 for D. Harris.”
Sir read my lips: “RICK SUND IS MAKING NO TRADES NOW”! end of story…………………….
Suind= beatdown is comin just hang in there………………
Jason
February 8th, 2011
8:24 am
Hey when is Pape Sy supposed to debut!!???
slimjr
February 8th, 2011
8:31 am
Tonight will be predictable again with another 4th quarter struggle…Yawn…………..
slimjr
February 8th, 2011
8:33 am
If I were coaching this team, the Hawks would be the most well conditioned team in the league…They are far from that as of now……
Westurd
February 8th, 2011
8:35 am
Go get Jason Williams off his couch….he should come cheaply.
sam'l
February 8th, 2011
8:42 am
Just watched Horford winning the game against the Clips.
Beautiful!
An actual designed play with a quick feint to Joe Johnson, a play the Clips had seen before! When the Clips reacted,to the possible pass, a split second later, Horford was racing the clock to the basket and if he didn’t score, he sure had a great chance of being fouled.
Again, this was a beautiful play!
When you tally up the season, score this one for Larry Drew!
I would also like to say Griffin didn’t seem very apologetic about putting our All Star out of action. The home fans responded to Horford’s free throws and the announcement of a flagrant………all totally appropriate! The Atlanta fans actually understood they had been treated to a great finish, saw Horford the warrior finish off the Clips and wondered why Griffin should be allowed to injure someone.
Flagrant 2. he’s still not sorry.
darrell starks
February 8th, 2011
8:47 am
Bibby no that his days ar number, he is not the same point guard like back in the days, LD when was the last time have you seen bibby penetrate and create and easy basket for the big man ?
Bibby is avg 3 assist a game thats dead last among nba starter at PG, plus he plays no defense i say bring him of the bench with marvin and jamal and your second unit will be even stronger.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
February 8th, 2011
8:51 am
STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, COLLLINS
BENCH BIBBY, JAMAL, MARVIN, POWELL, ZAZA
RESERVE MOE, DAMIEN
GOHWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ray
February 8th, 2011
8:58 am
It took LD a long time just to find out that having either Zaza or mainly Jason Collins in the game clogging the middle really helps us get easy shots. It seems it will take him forever to find out having Teague it there will actually help his motion offense even more.
Michael Cunningham
February 8th, 2011
9:14 am
@ Jay: “Michael Cunningham…any legs on the rumor that the Hawks called the Suns about Nash?”
they are making lots of of the proverbial “exploratory” calls. whether they amount to anything, we will see. maybe Nash is the kind of player Hawks management might be willing to break up the “core” to acquire.
Michael Cunningham
February 8th, 2011
9:17 am
@ O’Brien: “That way, we’ll probably play the Knicks in the first round…and I think we can beat the Knicks. In the second round, we would probably play Miami, and I think we have a chance against Miami.”
both reasonable statements.
Michael Cunningham
February 8th, 2011
9:18 am
@ terrell: ““Is Bibby beat down?” Is this a trick question?”
haha
Michael Cunningham
February 8th, 2011
9:19 am
@Ray: “Well you know I remember Sacramento wanting Teague awhile back. When I think of that they must see a lot in him to want him so bad.”
i checked this out back then and there was nothing to it. at the time, the Hawks hadn’t even heard from Sacto.
Michael Cunningham
February 8th, 2011
9:20 am
@sam’l: “I would also like to say Griffin didn’t seem very apologetic about putting our All Star out of action. The home fans responded to Horford’s free throws and the announcement of a flagrant………all totally appropriate! The Atlanta fans actually understood they had been treated to a great finish, saw Horford the warrior finish off the Clips and wondered why Griffin should be allowed to injure someone.”
Al didn’t have a problem with it and i think his view counts most in this.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2011
9:20 am
“I have never heard anyone talk about Bibby or Marvin’s diet regimen. From Hawks 360 I see Marvin does hire a Chef to prepare all his meals and he favors fish. Who knows what Bibby eats?”
In fairness to Marvin, as many other valid reasons as there may be to complain about him, I’ve never gotten the impression that conditioning was a problem for him. On Bibby, though, I agree. I find it hard to believe that a 33 year old can decline this much when there are so many older players who are still able to play at a high level.
darrell starks
February 8th, 2011
9:22 am
MC why would you break up the core of JOSH, JOE, JAMAL, HORFORD, for and 37 year old nash, that is ludacris make such move, THE GUY HAVE ONE MORE YEAR AT BEST.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2011
9:22 am
“DO ANYONE KNOW A GOOD WEBSITE TO WATCH GAMES ONLINE?”
atdhe.me, atdhe.fm, atdhenet.tv, myp2p.eu
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2011
9:25 am
“why would you break up the core of JOSH, JOE, JAMAL, HORFORD, for and 37 year old nash, that is ludacris make such move, THE GUY HAVE ONE MORE YEAR AT BEST.”
They said that about Nash six years ago when he signed with Phoenix as a free agent. People wondered why Phoenix would commit five years to him. Fast forward to now and he is playing at the same level he played during his MVP seasons. I wouldn’t trade any of the Hawks’ “big three” for him, and I don’t think anyone else will trade anything of similar value to the Hawks’ “big three” considering his age, but I would do Jamal + pick + a young player for Nash in a second. I could easily see Nash perform at this level for another two years at least. Some people defy logic, and he is one of them.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2011
9:36 am
“I think one of the challenges for Teague, is when he comes into the game for 3 minutes, LD wants him to play like its the last 3 minutes of his career. And Teague has not done it consistently enough.”
You’re probably right, but in Teague’s defense, nobody has a good game every game. Regardless of how good he is overall, it’s not really fair to expect him to have a good game every time out. Nobody does. I can understand not playing Teague if he doesn’t go all out in practice or doesn’t work hard or whatever, as was reported a few weeks ago, but getting minutes yanked because of one bad game is not something anyone else on the team has to deal with.
“even if its to bring in old Jason Williams who got waived by Orlando.”
J-Will signed with the Grizzlies a couple of days ago.
ag
February 8th, 2011
9:37 am
“Bibby will need a cane to bring the ball up the court in the playoffs.” Worldwide Clyde
lol!!!!!!!!1
EmirS.
February 8th, 2011
9:39 am
Jason Williams signed with Memphis yesteday, I believe. He’s no longer a free agent.
EmirS.
February 8th, 2011
9:41 am
Ah beat me to the punch.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2011
9:42 am
As far as tonight is concerned, John Hollinger’s automated power rankings inexplicably have the Hawks ranked behind the Sixers (as well as a bunch of other teams that don’t have 33 wins). Granted, we are talking about a guy who goes out of his way to avoid giving the Hawks any props, but even for him ranking a below-.500 team ahead of the Hawks is a little extreme.
With that said, the Sixers have been playing better and are not the easy win they were early in the season.
slimjr
February 8th, 2011
9:52 am
I can’t wait to see how the Hawks will perform on this West coast/7 game rd trip starting next week!! Bet you Sund can’t wait either…………………
The Hawks probably will not be playing the Knicks in the 1st rd. after they finish up the road trip in 2 weeks…It’s going to be Chicago or Orlando then they will meet up with the Celtics. Which will be brutal for them…..A butt kickin…..
hawks_4_life
February 8th, 2011
10:05 am
Najeh,
Thanks a million.
kuhndog
February 8th, 2011
10:17 am
Jamison& Mo Williams to Atl Bibby&M Williams to Cleve. I love the Hawks and will support them reguardless, but I believe teams exploit the Bibby defensive liability.
Rufus1
February 8th, 2011
10:17 am
The Hate..
The national Hate for the Hawks is THICK!!!
lewis
February 8th, 2011
10:21 am
Najeh,
no win is easy for the Hawks because they have to expend so much energy covering the liabilities of our PGs. What would make things easy is a freaking penetrating point guard who could hit 3’s already =)
Rufus1
February 8th, 2011
10:27 am
LD seeing the LIGHT….
I think LD is starting to see the LIGHT when it comes to Bibby. His reduction in minutes over the past couple of games maybe an indicator, of an acknowledgement of Bibby’s decline. (Jamal and Marvin finishing games)
I think LD thought he could overcome the negatives of Bibby’s game with his scheme, but it hasn’t. A PERSON CAN PLAY SO POORLY THAT HIS GAME CAN NOLONGER BE DEFENDED…BIBBY IS LD’S IDEA PG, BUT HE CAN NOLONGER GET IT DONE.
PS. We would have won this many games with Bibby or Teague as our starting PG.
Rufus1
February 8th, 2011
10:29 am
Aaron Brooks for Teague and 1st rounder
or
Aaron Brooks for Teague and JC2
slimjr
February 8th, 2011
10:46 am
“The Hate..
The national Hate for the Hawks is THICK!!!
Hawks= 43 year of futility..what do you expect?????
kwooden
February 8th, 2011
10:58 am
Rufus, nice idea.
Aaron would look good in our line-up and he could get all the mins he wants!
Rufus1
February 8th, 2011
10:59 am
slimjr
I expect objective reporting.
Rufus1
February 8th, 2011
11:00 am
slimjr
I expect objective reporting, not cheerleaders for certain teams.
doc
February 8th, 2011
11:03 am
i do remember al being on the other side of one of “those plays” with ford. al was visibly shaken and apologized. griffin maybe should have been called on the hit on marvin that looked just as vicious with marvin landing head first to the floor. thought super bowl had come a few days early. blake tried to get away with one, glad refs called it.
Double Zero Eight
February 8th, 2011
11:08 am
The Larry Drew Point Guard Fire Development Plan:
Play Teague when forced to do so in the playoffs.
This is known as “baptism by fire”. LD hopes
this will “light a fire” under Teague.and turn him
into an aggressive/take charge PG.
I would rather he get as many minutes as possible
during the regular season without jeopardizing
a win.
It is obvious Bibby is tired.
slimjr
February 8th, 2011
11:13 am
@Rufus1
I see your point.
Tommie
February 8th, 2011
11:14 am
TJHook,
It was a mistake to select Marvin over him to resign. Unfortunately, the hawks can not receive him directly because the NBA trades rules do not allow a player to be traded and traded back to the team in the same year. A third team would have to be involved. Phoenix wants to dump him and his salary, but have no found any takers.
slimjr
February 8th, 2011
11:15 am
Mike Bibby=Andrew Jones.. enough said…
HoosierHawk
February 8th, 2011
11:17 am
aaron Brooks is reportedly available. How about we trade Teague, Jamal, Mo for Brooks, Battier, Jeffries? We get better defense at SF and a guy that could challenge Marvin for starting role, a good young PG so Bibby can bomb 3s off the bench, and Jeffries who serviceable (maybe). They get huge cap relief (Mo and jamal expire), a young PG, and an ok backup SF.
slimjr
February 8th, 2011
11:24 am
J-Chills has no jumpshot………….Next…………
JeJe
February 8th, 2011
11:37 am
Lol @ Doc Rivers saying KG isn’t doing anything wrong.
Great to see Phil Jax put KG in his place.
Wow
ag
February 8th, 2011
11:38 am
The problem with Aaron Brooks is he is to small. He is very aggressive. If we are going to keep the “core”, make changes and start Teague. Bibby off the bench is a better team. If Teague makes mistakes they will be hidden. I still can only imagine Teague driving to the hole and dishing to Al and Josh.
ag
February 8th, 2011
12:09 pm
Looking at the trade for Nash and Hill, despite Nash’s age (37), his production has slightly improved this season (16.3ppg, 11.1 ast) – even his minutes played have increased. A starting lineup of Nash, JJ,Hill, Josh & Al will make the Hawks a much better team. We will have to trade Marvin, a 1st round pick and Jamal (although I would love to keep him) – throw in Bibby also.
drmaryb (*_*)
February 8th, 2011
12:54 pm
Aaron Brooks is small? So what. Earl Boykins whupped our butts, he’s smaller.
They said CP3 was too small. They said DWill was too fat. If you can ball? You can ball.
We need a PG – period. I’m like yall, play Teague and go from there.
terrell
February 8th, 2011
1:41 pm
Bibby said “I havent eaten a cheeseburger since this morning”. lol!
terrell
February 8th, 2011
1:42 pm
AG, Phoenix doesnt want Marvin. Are you kidding me?
ag
February 8th, 2011
1:53 pm
Again, Bibby will be so tired by the playoff’s he will need a cain to help him bring the ball up court! -classic
I have said before, every year the Hawks have made a major change and that can attribute to them improving every year (sorry Woodson, it was not you). Adding, Joe, Josh, Al, Bibby,Jamal and Flip helped the Hawks win more games than the previous year. Adding J. Powell is just not doing it!
ag
February 8th, 2011
1:55 pm
Well we have to give Phoenix something. They took Boris and he became “almost” an All-Star,- he was certainly much better as a Sun. Unfortunatly, we cannot say the same for Childress. You never know, Marvin may be like Boris in that offense.
KevinM
February 8th, 2011
2:42 pm
We can pine for Nash and we can offer JC1, Marvin, Bibby, Zaza and any one else not a captain on this team…but I don’t see any team dealing with us unless it is a salary dump. And with Sund and his passive dealings, things don’t look good for the Hawks to worry about a trade deadline.
Saying that, now we hear Melo might be heading to Staples to play for the defending champs….are you kidding me? The Knicks will be left at the alter waiting on that sorry deal they offered.
The Hawks have better options than either the Lakers or Knicks, yet Sund won’t even get involved. Call me crazy, but I am jumping to go get Billups if we can grab him on the Melo rebound and have him lead us on the floor….Bibby can get a rocking chair and laugh all the way to the bank with that guarantee he has not to get in shape until his contract year next year.
Everything points to this team failing this playoff season because of the non-moves. You don’t know if this team will play together or scratch their noggins and say “well, i don’t really know what happened.”
Tired of excuses and this ownership group is not giving the fan base any reason to believe…and that’s the reason for the hatred of this current roster around the league.
Teague should play now and we go forward or we lose and struggle to get to the playoffs…anything, just make a change to ignite the fan base. We know what Bibby gives us already! He is a 2nd round playoff lock…we need more than that!
Mike Williams
February 8th, 2011
3:21 pm
If LA really wants Carmelo Anthony, Atlanta could be figure into a three team trade. Hypothetically, Denver would receive Josh Smith & Jeff Teague from Atlanta, and Matt Barnes from LA. Atlanta would get Ty Lawson from Denver and Andrew Bynum from LA. Carmelo Anthony is then sent to LA to complete the deal.
tyger
February 8th, 2011
3:43 pm
Teague lacks “Dog”???
At this point, if he ain’t got no “dog” in him, i.e. that dog don’t hunt, i.e. wussy…then WTF???
ag
February 8th, 2011
4:22 pm
I guess dunking on someone is the lack of dog.
tyger
February 8th, 2011
4:58 pm
ASG can’t go one penny over luxury tax, need the end-of-year tax disbursement.
Air Zaza
February 8th, 2011
5:31 pm
How about
Mayo/Thabeet for Jamal/Etan
falconfever
February 8th, 2011
6:09 pm
remember dwight howard is going to be a free agent after next year. we need to have a solid team here so he would consider coming home. so we need to keep this team in tact as much as possible
falconfever
February 8th, 2011
6:19 pm
i am a hawk fan to the end but to say we have a chance against the heat is crazy! be realistic guys. Lebron dismantled us with the cavs 2 years ago. Now he has wade and bosh and we have the same team. c’mon man!