Mavs 102, Hawks 91

Greetings, all-

Wow. Sensing some hostility here. (Kidding) This one must have been a frustrating one to watch for you all, particularly since you’ve been seeing the same thing happening.

- Bad shot selection killed the Hawks’ chances in the fourth. It’s hard to understand. Once Dallas got some momentum going, just like in the Milwaukee game (and others), the Hawks started pressing. Among the most galling numbers is Al Horford taking two shots in the fourth.

- Hawks scoring by quarter – 24, 25, 29, 13.

- Shooting percentage by quarter – 57.1, 52.6, 42.9, 26.7.

- Hawks had 46 points in the paint on 30 shots through three quarters, then four and five, respectively, in the fourth.

- I asked Larry Drew what he took from the game: “Something very similar we took from the Milwaukee game. We played, I thought, three good quarters and then in the fourth quarter we had a collapse. Shot selection was not very good. It just comes down to getting tougher in the fourth quarter. You’ve got to do the things that are going to assure you victory.”

- Horford: “I don’t think it’s discouraging. On the road, it’s always tough and you have to play the right way and do everything right to win and we just had a little slippage the last two outings.”

- Josh Smith: “We just had a couple careless turnovers and a couple of little touch fouls. It got them in the bonus early and they were able to utilize the line a little bit.”

- Joe Johnson: “It wasn’t anything they were doing. We had total control of the game and then in the fourth it just got out of hand.”

- Hawks fall to 11-4 on back end of back-to-backs. Two road losses in a row after six wins in a row. Have lost six of last seven in Dallas.

- I thought Jeff Teague gave really solid minutes, particularly defensively against the pick and roll. Johnson did whatever he wanted against DeShawn Stevenson but somehow managed to get to the free-throw line once.

- An ineffectual night for Mike Bibby, who was in foul trouble most of the night to boot.

- Seven different Mavs players scored in double figures. The Hawks had four.

- Jamal Crawford is struggling. Since an 8-for-15 night in the road win over Miami – 5-for-13 against New Orleans, 4-for-13 against Charlotte, 4-for-11 against Milwaukee, 5-for-16 against New York and 4-for-12 against Dallas.

- Mark Cuban’s thoughts on the Atlanta Spirit re-financing debt on Philips, which made it easier for owners to tap into the NBA’s credit facility and also for the team to be sold:

“Very smart. It cleans things up ownership-wise. It gives them flexibility to put their own imprint on (the team) and not look over their shoulder.”

On whether responsibility for filling the arena ultimately falls on the owners:

“It’s always your responsibility when it’s your team. I think Atlanta’s a good market. What I’ve learned, though, is it takes time for fans to trust. That’s why you see teams that make the big turnaround and the fans don’t immediately fill the building because it’s basically fool’s gold. It takes time.”

Interesting assessment, I thought. You could argue it both ways with the Hawks — One, you could say the Hawks have been building for six years and have progressively gotten better, so there’s reason to put more faith in the team and show up. Or, and something tells me this is the view many of you hold, the way the team has gotten shellacked in the playoffs the last two years, on top of the team’s history, screams “fool’s gold.”

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Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2011
1:55 am

Joe Johnson to Cleveland for Antwan Jamison, Anthony Parker and a future first round pick. If the NBA loses next season to a lockout the Hawks don’t even have to pay Jamison for the final year of his contract, while also getting out of the final four years of Joe’s.

Ramone

January 30th, 2011
2:02 am

Larry Drew’s post-game conference was pathetic. “Our shot selection was a bit iffy…the effort was there, we just came up short.” Are you kidding me, Drew? The “shot selection” wasn’t good? Is that the best explanation you’ve got? How about saying “I’m a dumba$$ and I stuck with the bench too long when we had the lead. I don’t think that anyone on the team outside of Joe is capable of scoring so I decided to let him take 30+% of the team’s shots, and my offense was so predictable that the Mavs were able to key in on Joe and shut us down.”? How about, “I hate Jeff Teague, so I had to go with Bibby down the stretch who was having an awful game to begin with.”? How about “I’m jealous of Al and don’t want him to have any individual success, so I have to make sure that he doesn’t get to shoot the ball, even if it means losing the game.” How about “Joe has been so wonderful for us, he’s playing so well. He’s better than Kobe and Wade combined. He makes Lebron look like Mario West. I love Joe. He’s also been excellent defensively. He should be the frontrunner for MVP and defensive player of the year. Oh, I love Joe so much. Am I starting to blush?”

At least admit what you did you wrong, you sorry excuse for a coach. How about giving your mentor some credit instead of stabbing him the back and pretending to be better? I’m so tired of this guy. I’m pretty much convinced at this point that Drew was the worst choice for a head coach this summer. Thibodeau, Casey, Avery Johnson, Byron Scott, Monty Williams, even Marc Jackson probably would have been better. We are not going to improve unless we get rid of this joke.

Jamal, if you’re reading this, your best bet is to sign with another team after the season. Drew is only going to continue to hurt the team and make you look worse individually. You are clearly not one of his “favorites”, so you’d be better off getting fair treatment with another team that is actually going somewhere.

James

January 30th, 2011
2:08 am

Buddy,

The Hawks are not going to trade Joe Johnson. He’s the pride, joy, and desire of L.D., and management is obviously convinced that he’s a “franchise player”. Joe Johnson is definitely not going to be traded, and while Cleveland would very likely make the deal that you mentioned, ASG would not even consider it. Also, I doubt that Jamison and Parker will do much to help increase fan attendance nor help to improve our record. Jamison would be a nice backup big to have for offensive purposes, but it wouldn’t matter considering our offense is totally predicated around guard play anyway.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2011
2:21 am

“Or, and something tells me this is the view many of you hold, the way the team has gotten shellacked in the playoffs the last two years, on top of the team’s history, screams “fool’s gold.””

This is how the majority of Atlanta’s sports fans feel, and I can’t blame them. This is coming from someone who has been watching and going to Hawks games for a long time, including when they bottomed out during that 13 win season. I’m not going to blame Atlanta sports fans for not supporting a team that is satisfied with keeping the same roster that got blown out in the second round the last two years.

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ole hawk's fan

January 30th, 2011
2:53 am

This team continues to make the same mistakes ………………..i.e bad shots selections, turn over by J. Smooth…………..keeping the ball from Al Hartford. No defense from an OLD Bibby @32 who seems older then Derek Fisher on the floor. No defense what so ever from Bibby. And the feeling is by ASG, we need his veteran leadership. What a JOKE. This guy could play for rec league basketball team in Gwinnett. Eat the contract and waive his sorry as%^$#@!

Grandad

January 30th, 2011
2:55 am

To Mr Ken Sugiura,
I really appreciate your good work as our new co-beat writer.
On the topic touched on by owner M.Cuban and yourself, think about it?
The Braves:
when they are in a pennant race, the GM goes out and attempts to bolster the roster.
*[for the up-coming (assumed) play-offs]
The players invariably and publicly remark on their appreciation!
Now, where are Mr Sund and the ASG?
Are they stepping to the plate in a public demonstration to the fans;
we are after a championship! No.
We need a pg plus a Big who can rebound.
Never and I mean never are the Hawks even mentioned as trying…”trying”,
I say again…..Trying, to bolster, get better, improve, make the leap, boost
or strengthen this roster to make a championship run.
So you or Mr Cuban tell me…why the fans don’t trust the Hawks.
They [Sund/ASG] don’t even care enough to release propaganda.

Ra'mon

January 30th, 2011
3:08 am

Despite the loss, I must say there were a few positive signs in the game tonight. I can’t remember the last time Joe scored so many points in the paint. He was right, the games were in the Hawks control, because he could get whatever he wanted while Dallas was in the man to man defense. Teague had productive minutes and actually made a difference. Josh was 17/7/3/2 steals in only 23 minutes, while hitting all 6 of his free throws. I also believe Wilkins played great tonight in his limited time. The more Wilkins play, the more I’m left wondering why is Mo Evans still on this team. The fact that LD went to Wilkins to finish the game at PF instead of Powell, shows that LD doesn’t feel Powell is effective. So I’m wondering if we, the fans, can easily see who LD has faith in, and who he doesn’t. Why isn’t Sund being proactive and moving those players to acquire some that LD will have faith in.

You really can’t blame LD for playing his starters so many minutes, because in the end, who does he REALLY have on the bench? If Horford or Josh isn’t in the game, who really will get rebounds or defend the paint? If Joe or Josh isn’t in the game, who really will attempt to post up? (Funny how Shaq would’ve been the answer to both of those answers.) While LD has his shortcomings, I’m starting to almost pity him. He’s been asked to make a gourmet meal, with Dollar General ingredients.

James

January 30th, 2011
3:14 am

“If Joe or Josh isn’t in the game, who really will attempt to post up? ”

Al is very capable of posting up, but he almost never gets the ball delivered to him when he’s in the low post and calling for the ball. I’ve lost count of how many times this happens. Again and again, I see Al get great low-post position and his teammates almost refuse to give him the ball. That’s another one of the Hawks’ same old issues that they refuse to correct. I think that Horford actually used to post up more under Mike Woodson, even though he’s a better post player this year than last season. I’m guessing part of that has to do with the fact that he has an excellent mid-range game now also. However, I think part of it has to do with the fact that Drew is not a big fan of Al in the post, for whatever reason. Drew has a lot of issues, and that’s putting it lightly.

Ra'mon

January 30th, 2011
3:19 am

Grandad, I totally agree. And to make it worse, Gearon is a big fan of basketball, even before being a owner. So you would think he would be able to look at this roster and see clear upgrades needed. And its not even that the Hawks need a superstar or all star player. They just need quality players who can add depth, and has a track record of performing, or at least potential of getting better. I don’t see anyone outside of Teague and JC2 (on the bench) who I think has a realistic chance of being better next season than they are this season. So the entire bench is either in their prime or past their prime, yet they’re still under performing. Even Bibby wouldn’t seem so terrible, if he was playing 24-26 minutes a night with a quick, defensive pg backing him up. Flip Murray was the last free agent the Hawks signed who truly had a good impact on the bench. BK had his obvious flaws, but he was consistently in rumors of possible acquisitions (Bibby, Amare, Joe, Harrington, D12). And til this day, I still believe Speedy would’ve been a decent signing if he didn’t start to have so many injury problems.

Ra'mon

January 30th, 2011
3:24 am

James, Al too often seems indecisive when he’s in the post. And until Al develops a counter move to his running right hand baby hook, he will be predictable on the block. As I said before, Al is a great mid range jump shooter. Al is a great finisher. But Al is terrible at creating his own shot consistently. Too often he seems mechanical in his offensive movements. This is why, I don’t think Al will ever be a 20/10 type player, without a top level point guard. Most 20 point post scorers, were always fluent with their moves. Some needed to add more moves, or to bulk up more, but they were always decisive and fluent.

Ra'mon

January 30th, 2011
3:26 am

Tonight, I will goto sleep dreaming of the Hawks trading Joe, JC1, and 2 first round picks for Dirk, lol. I know it will never happen, but a front line of Josh, Dirk, and Al would be devastating for opposing teams.

Ra'mon

January 30th, 2011
3:32 am

I do remember last season though, Al was having his way on the block with D12. And for some reason Woody just went away from him. Though I don’t think Al is a pure scorer, I do agree that he should get more touches on the blocks. But I don’t see that happening as long as JC1 is on the team. When JC1 comes in the game, he only looks for one person and that’s himself. He doesn’t seem to try and make the best play for the team, but he seems to always choose the play that gets him a quick release, and not someone else.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2011
3:41 am

“How about giving your mentor some credit instead of stabbing him the back and pretending to be better?” – Ramone

In all Woodson’s year’s as coach of the Hawks, I never once heard a commentator say “that was a great play Mike Woodson called out of a timeout.” Check nbaplaybook.com. Drew has drawn up several game winning plays this season. Drew’s biggest problem is that he still feels like he is auditioning for this job, so he plays it safe with his lineups and defers to Joe, as Woodson did.

If Drew were to build the offense arround Horford, one of the most efficient offensive players in the NBA, he would be failing to validate management’s decision to overpay for Joe. By defering to Joe, if the Hawks fail, it’s because management designated Joe as the franchise player. Drew doesn’t have to absorb the blame.

“Also, I doubt that Jamison and Parker will do much to help increase fan attendance nor help to improve our record. Jamison would be a nice backup big to have for offensive purposes, but it wouldn’t matter considering our offense is totally predicated around guard play anyway.” – James

Everybody needs to get used to the fact that there’s not going to be an NBA season next year. I’m not suggesting this trade because Antawn Jamison is going to increase attendance or win totals. After this season, I wouldn’t expect to see either in a Hawks uniform ever again. This would be strictly a salary dump and a way to free up cap space to address the Hawks’ needs going into the 2012-2013 season.

By that time, Bibby’s absurd contract will have expired. Jamal Crawford will be gone because the Hawks can’t aford to resign him. Mo Evans, gone. Al Horford will be signed for 4 mor years to the most reasonable superstar contract in the NBA, a #3 pick signed for the same money as #9 pick Joakim Noah. Josh Smith and Zaza Pachulia will be in contract years. Marvin Williams will be signed through the end of the season with a player option for 2013-2014. And the Hawks hold team options on Teague and Jordan Crawford.

So what would you like the starting lineup to look like in 2012-2013? Teague, Johnson, Williams, Smith and Horford? That’s what it will look like if the Hawks don’t dump Joe while a sucker like Dan Gilbert will still take him. In 2012-2013, Joe will be showing his age, especially on defense.

Or how about this for a starting lineup in 2012-2013… Teague, Jordan Crawford, Smith, Horford and Dwight Howard? Dwight can opt out of his contract and come home to Atlanta to play with his childhood buddy Smith, form the greatest frontcourt since Bird/Parish/McHale and bring a championship to the A.

James

January 30th, 2011
4:10 am

Ra’mon,

I have to say that I disagree about Al in the post. He has shown that his baby hook in the middle of the lane is not his only move in the post. The only thing predictable is that he is going to go back to his strong hand in the post (his right). He doesn’t have the most well-rounded post game yet, but it’s still proven to be pretty effective. Sometimes, as a defender, even when you know a move is coming, it can be difficult to stop it. If other, less capable players are going to post up for their teams, it makes little sense why Horford shouldn’t. I’d like to see him further develop his post-game, but it’s effective enough for use right now.

Also, as far as creating his own shot goes, Horford is far from terrible at that. He may be tentative at times, but he is capable. When Horford receives the ball in the post, he typically will face up first, which means that the defender has to choose whether to give him space to prevent the drive, or body him up to prevent a jump shot. The defender has to give up something and Horford does a good job of recognizing that, as well as what the advantage over his defender is. If he knows the defender is slower than him, he will attempt to drive to basket, and if help doesn’t come, he usually scores or is fouled. When help does come, he often makes the correct pass out of the double-team under the basket.

Now, if the defender is quick, but smaller than Horford, Horford typically tries to back him down until he has great position for a high percentage baby hook. There are going to be certain guys with a lot of length that will no doubt contest Horford’s attempts well and strong guys that are going to be difficult to back down, but Horford typically makes the right decision, and he has shown on numerous occasions that he can score in the post, regardless of who is guarding him. He won’t always score, but usually something good comes out of giving him the ball in the post. Everything I just described includes “creating his own shot” and also creating for others.

Note that coaches are not going to double players who are not a threat to score in the post, and Al gets doubled in the post on numerous occasions. Tonight, for example, he was doubled in the post when he caught the ball in good position on the left block. When he caught the ball in a 1 vs. 1 situation against Drik, he faced up and hit a jumper over him. On another occasion, the ball was poked away from Horford on the right block and almost stolen, before he recovered and converted against dirk and a guard. That last play I mentioned was called off due to a travel. However, the point is that Horford is very obviously capable of creating his own shot, and opposing defenses are aware of it. He wouldn’t be doubled if he wasn’t a threat to score in the post. In two of the last three games, the defenses have attempted to double him the post on several occasions (both against Milwaukee and tonight in Dallas. New York played Al straight up in the post with Turiaf and Al scored on him). Those are just some examples from recent history.

The strongest evidence you need is the fact that coaches themselves respect Horford’s ability in the post, and if that is the case, I don’t think there should be any argument that he can be effective there in “creating his own shot”. So, with that being said, I don’t buy your argument.

Ra'mon

January 30th, 2011
5:17 am

James, I never recall Horford being doubled while facing Chandler or Bogut.

Ken Sugiura

January 30th, 2011
5:31 am

don’t have much to add – partly because i gotta get on a plane – but i love the thoughtful insights.
grandad – i can’t disagree with you. i would say this year they were a little tight with money after re-signing joe. shaq was obviously a popular option, but he would’ve wielded a lot of influence in the locker room for a backup, perhaps not all for the betterment of the team.

Ra'mon

January 30th, 2011
5:57 am

Ken, translation, he may would’ve had LD fired halfway in season. lol

Ra'mon

January 30th, 2011
5:59 am

Ken, may I ask what is Sund or Gearon’s perceived view on how majority of the Hawks’ fans are feeling about the organization? Are they in denial about the majority of the TRUE and dedicated fan base being unhappy with the franchise or lack of aggression? Or do they not care how we feel?

JoJo the Godfather

January 30th, 2011
6:45 am

This game was lost in the first 3 minutes of the 4h qtr…Hawks were down by 1…Pachulia had 3-second violation, commits a foul, misses wide open shot, and then is blocked by Dirk…Powell also commits 2 fouls over this period…Hawks are now down 8…Pachulia had a +/- of -16 in 16 minutes of play…Powell had a +/- of -7 in 7 minutes of play…Horford has gone over 40 minutes the last 2 games…This team STILL needs help inside.

hawks_4_life

January 30th, 2011
7:06 am

Crawford,

If your shot is not going why is it you become so useless. Can you stop chucking and atleast drive to the hole? God forbid you play defense at all. Bibby is not a good defender but he wont cause the team by taking bad shot especially at a critical time. I HOPE THEY TRADE YOU FOR A PAIR OF SOCKS.

Trojan

January 30th, 2011
8:25 am

If we had a leader as a point guard, then that leader would make sure that the proper offense was run in the forth quarter. That is a recurring theme. We don’t know why the ship drifts off course….. Those are tire words by our coach each game.

Bibby is a great role player but he is constantly being exposed as a limited player.

Teague must be developed (and that means taking a few lumps here and there) for our team to develop any further. This is so old….

Trojan

January 30th, 2011
8:59 am

Great point Granddad. The fans are down because there is absolutely no evidence of the ownership even trying to fix a poorly constructed team.

We went through rebuilding for this?

O'Brien

January 30th, 2011
9:13 am

When we are playing a good team, we can’t afford to have both Bibby and Jamal be ineffective. Good teams will eventually slow down JJ, and when that happens, we need Bibby or Jamal to knock down their jumpers.

And if sund really think they can win in the playoffs with bibby and Jamal being our 2 main PG’s, we are in trouble. Just like Dallas went at bibby almost every time down, same thing will happen in the playoffs.

And chances are we will be going up against rose or jameer in round 1.

Mike Jay

January 30th, 2011
9:17 am

I really wish losing would bother the players and coaches more. All the yseem to say is “Oh, well winning is hard. There’s always tomorrow”. The hawks are desperate for a veteran take no crap leadership.

drmaryb (*_*)

January 30th, 2011
9:37 am

Shortly after Saturday’s 102-91 win over the Atlanta Hawks, the Dallas Mavericks released small forward Sasha Pavlovic. After the game ghainst the Hawks, Pavlovic’s second 10-day contract with the Mavs expired. Thus, under NBA rules, the Mavs either had to sign him to a contract for the rest of the season, or waive him. The Mavs chose the latter. “The decision comes down from the top, and it basically involves (player/money) flexibility going forward,” coach Rick Carlisle said. “I’m sure he’s disappointed. “But I”m also sure he’ll hook on with someone else.” Fort Worth Star-Telegram

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Pavlovic averaged 4.1 points and 16.3 minutes in 10 games for the Mavs. He started six games, and the Mavs were 5-1 in those games. “He did so much for us, he played hard,” center Tyson Chandler said. “It was a tough situation coming in just learning the plays and getting thrust into the starting lineup. “It’s always tough when you have a guy come in like that. You welcome him in, you start to get to know him and then all of a sudden you find out he’s no longer going to be with you.” Fort Worth Star-Telegram

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The Dallas Mavericks made a brief run at Atlanta Hawks shooting guard Joe Johnson when he became a free agent last summer. But Johnson eventually chose to remain with the Hawks after signing a six-year, $120 million contract. “We did discuss it with them real briefly, just to touch base because you never know,” owner Mark Cuban said. “He’s a great player in a great city. “He’s the big tuna down there (in Atlanta). There’s a lot of reasons to stay.” Fort Worth Star-Telegram
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Nahila

January 30th, 2011
9:51 am

The players play and the coaches coach but the Hawks seem to be running out of gas in the 4 th period in too many games.
Why is that? Well LD plays the starters for too many minutes especially when you have back to back games where he should use the bench either more in the game with the easier opponent and save more of the starters minutes for the tougher opponent. The bench is not as good as it needs to be as the Hawks management went on the cheap in adding role/bench players. The Hawks are only 8 players deep in quality players. To win consistently, the Hawks need to have at least 10 NBA quality players and play them more minutes so the starters can finish the games with energy and endurance to win close and 4th quarter games.

Mark

January 30th, 2011
9:54 am

I am all for playing reserves, but in DALLAS, against Dallas, u go with starters the entire fourth quarter, except for maybe crawford/JT for bibby. This is not complicated. Over coaching in some regards, under in others. PLEASE FEED LION MORE.

Ra'mon

January 30th, 2011
10:11 am

Nahila, the Hawks are not running out of gas. In the fourth, defenses start to tighten up, and start to overplay Joe on the perimeter. Normally when this happens the Hawks continue to shoot more bad jumpers, because they don’t consistently goto the post, and don’t have a point guard who can break down the defense (even against the zone). Its not really anything dealing with fatigue. It has more to do with playing style, lack of adjustments, and lack of personnel.

brigadierjerry

January 30th, 2011
10:21 am

I think the question going forward becomes is the hawks team going to be built around both Horford and Josh Smith? Horford is signed for a few more years but do you see the Hawks resigning Smith when his contract runs out ?Obviously Joe Johnson isnt going anywhere. This team is a win now team. Jamal I do not think he will be back. Bibby once his contract runs out will be gone. The Hawks biggest needs are at pg and center. I get the feeling if the Hawks quite possibly dont get out of the first round and how it is shaped right now they would play orlando who they match up better this year I think they might look to go into a different direction and make some moves. I think 3 years with the same group not getting past the 2nd round or more importantly getting humiliated past few years the team has maxed out.

Sometimes after a years with the same group and not getting past a certain point changes need to be made. The Mavericks have done it, The Lakers when Kobe couldnt do much in the playoffs before Gasol got there. Knicks in the late 90’s did it when some core players got old and they got Camby and Sprewell. It is up to management to decide if this core has reached its peak and I feel after this season unless they reach the ECF, I think some changes will be in order.

george

January 30th, 2011
10:31 am

Ra’mon,

You are correct concerning the lack of PG play without a penetrating/facilitating PG the Hawks’ offense often shuts down during games, but more importantly in the fourth quarter. JJ, Al, and Josh are not the problem. JJ constantly shows he can score, but in the 4th if we had PG, he would get open shots as well as easlier opportunities when cuts to the lane. Al is a deadly mid range shooter and Josh is a terror attacking the lane, but no guard on this team can create these opportunities. Hopefully, the signing of D Wilkins is setting up for a big trade for a PG. Without a trade this team will not make any noise in the playoffs. Finally, Marvin and Mo need to be moved for a contributing big man.

NorcalHawk

January 30th, 2011
10:32 am

No coincidence that Hawks’ 4th quarter flops happen as JC1 struggles. Last season’s 6th man of the year used to give us the lift we needed down the stretch. Since we get very little point production from the rest of the bench, it’s all about Jamal making a difference again.

Sautee

January 30th, 2011
11:18 am

Ramone,

You said this about LD: “How about “I’m jealous of Al and don’t want him to have any individual success, so I have to make sure that he doesn’t get to shoot the ball, even if it means losing the game.”

Man, are you serious? LD would rather LOSE THE GAME then to have Horford take more shots? Geez, the conspiracy theories about Horford are SO over the top it’s unbelieveable. Tell me, pray tell, just WHY a coach would be “jealous” of a player? WHY? And why he would CHOOSE to lose a game for that?

That may well be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard on this blog. And that’s saying a lot, since a certain multi-named poster once said that the only reason Zaza gets offensive rebounds was that he was too lazy to get back on defense.

Jealous of Horford. ROFLMFAO!

drmaryb (*_*)

January 30th, 2011
11:18 am

george lamented:

” Hopefully, the signing of D Wilkins is setting up for a big trade for a PG. ”
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Please explain your line of reasoning, I don’t follow?

Chris Murphy, Atlanta, GA

January 30th, 2011
11:26 am

On the question of ATL fans not wanting to support “fools gold”: that’s it, exactly. The Hawks are a group of human beings, with all the inevitable personal and professional flaws. However, unlike other groups of successful team members, they do not, as individuals, acknowledge those shortcomings, nor seemingly work to improve them nor the teamwork needed to succeed in the NBA. I don’t pay enough attention to know how Drew is working out- he seems to be better than Woodson, but that ain’t saying much- but lordy, what I’d give to see Doc Rivers on the Hawks’ sideline. Think Josh Smith would be shooting more than one 3-pointer in his career with Doc??

drmaryb (*_*)

January 30th, 2011
11:27 am

Pape Sy traveled from Utah to join the team in Dallas last night. What a show of support! I see the Damien signing also as an indication that Pape will not rejoin the team this year and post season. We are at the league maximum number of players. 13 minimum and 15 maximum.

I’m looking forward to what george thinks signing Damien also means to him and why?

Sautee

January 30th, 2011
11:32 am

drmaryb,

Depth at SF could mean that Marvin or Mo are being dangled. Though with Mikey boy’s love of the core, I’d seriously doubt it.

superiorblogman

January 30th, 2011
11:48 am

Being a Hawks fan equals maniac depression. Please trade Josh Smith and Jamal Crawford for the best package you can get. That should get you something really good.

doc

January 30th, 2011
12:06 pm

what? we just bolstered our roster by signing wilkens and are getting pape sy in shape for the run to the finals. at least maybe this year they wont “look around” and bring back mario west as they did last year to “solidify” the roster for the final 8 weeks. that was an insult that still irks me and only shows what the ownership is made of. make a deal to get someone better than bibby which was the last time they moved in a critical way during the season. they have to get someone to stop the other teams from making mince meat of us in the fourth quarter. it is either that or possibly be out in five during the first round the way this team folds in crunch time. it is what it is.

i still prefer this team to last years and a coach wiling to do something different in certain situations. now comes the time for them to either come of age as they get healthy or shrink and show the core must be broken. it is really about them and not the coach as they show game in and game out. teague an example of no change with a new coach who tried to give him the job but he wasnt tough enough to go and get it. josh another given the responsibility of being a leader and fails to show it on many occasions as times get tough in the fourth quarter where he bows his back and carries the tem by what he does best, not what he is learning to do still. finally there is a need for a legit up tempo point that can pressure the other team for a change and defend the perimeter. i am tired of the team running ahead of their point guard.

grandad, ken was the interim as sekou left, so he has been around and most of us know him well. i know it was one more dig but you sound like some of our brothers with their pet peeves players and how they cant resist a dig.

leo

January 30th, 2011
12:13 pm

I watched the entire game last night. From what I saw Teague should have played with the starters the entire second half. He was the difference. His speed made Dallas think different with their line up with the Hobbit JJ Berea on the court. LD needs to make a choice going forward and play both JC2 and Teague more minutes. If you show belief in them, they will believe in themselves.

cp

January 30th, 2011
12:45 pm

If Jerome is correct on what he was saying on NBA TV then the Hawks will not be making a move by the deadline. He said the Hawks don’t have the flexibility nor want to spend the money so Damien might be our only move…We need to make a move but its looking like nothing will be done.

LD has to play Teague and live with his mistakes. The good teams attack, attack, and attack Bibby. I don’t know any pg in the East he will be able to defend in the playoffs other than Arroyo from the Heat. Every other team seems to have that quick pg that causes him fits. Bibby also looks fatigued. It was downright painful watching him on defense last night.

Zaza is flat out terrible. You know what to expect from him every game,,an illegal screen, a 3 seconds call, silly fouls, at least 2 fumbled passes, getting at least one of his shots blocked, and missing at least 2 wide open shots…Its crazy that he has more years left on that deal…Other than the occasional 3 Mo makes he brings nothing to the table. He constantly gets beat off the dribble too…If Jamal isn’t scoring then he does nothing else out there….We need to upgrade this bench but with this ownership I don’t see anything happening.

Willy

January 30th, 2011
12:57 pm

The Hawks won’t seriously contend until they find a coach who commands respect from his players – got nothing against Drew but he’s not that type of coach.

drmaryb (*_*)

January 30th, 2011
1:17 pm

Sautee great job on dismantling the idiotic comments made by Ramone, you do know that, Ramone is one of 17 people that run around in the head of a Troll – right?

Like a great NFL Coach lamented two years ago, when asked how he dealt with drama, criticism and negative media comments, he said:

“I am careful who I let rent space in my head.”

(I’ll let you know who said that, when his name pops in my head, prolly @ 3am). Anyway, good job on blowing that ish outa’ here.
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Thanks for the response to my query, when you replied:

“Sautee

drmaryb,

January 30th, 2011
11:32 am

Depth at SF could mean that Marvin or Mo are being dangled. Though with Mikey boy’s love of the core, I’d seriously doubt it.”
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I see the logic now. Yeah man, looks like a major legal issue and road block has been dissolved re: Phillip’s Arena rights and a clear pathway to selling this franchise to a serious owner. IDK why they didn’t just let Belkin have the damned thing! Apparently, he had the deeper pocket of the others combined.

Oh Well!

TruthSeeker

January 30th, 2011
1:35 pm

Some perspective is in order with regards to Larry Drew. No, he may not be Phil Jackson and yes, he may have a had a bad night last night. But I can’t complain about being 30-18. Not with all the holes on this roster (including a crater at the point guard position) and as many injuries as we’ve had.

Drew is like Mike Woodson. He’s adequate. Nothing more, nothing less. Do any of you honestly think this would be a championship-contending team with a better head coach? I don’t see it. We’re about where we should be given the overall talent and balance of our roster.

O'Brien

January 30th, 2011
1:38 pm

When defenses tighten up in the fourth quarter, the Hawks have to be disciplined on offense. Instead, players start standing around waiting for (ISO) JJ to make something happen, and when JJ gets pressured, Hawks start taking bad shots.

This problem is compounded because we usually have Bibby and Jamal on the court, and their defense is horrible. Bad shot selection on offense combined with bad defense is a recipe for a loss, especially in the playoffs.

O'Brien

January 30th, 2011
1:45 pm

Last year, the Hawks lost 29 games. Of those 29 losses, we failed to score more than 19 points in the fourth quarter 11 times .

This season, despite the motion offense, we are struggling even more than we did last year in the fourth quarter.

Of our 18 losses this season, there have been 9 . games where we failed to score more than 19 points in the fourth.

That is unacceptable. If you cannot score in the fourth, and you cannot stop the other team from scoring, how are you supposed to win?

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2011
1:56 pm

Those of you who think that the Hawks can get a starting point guard for Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Mo Evans, etc.. please tell us who you think they can get. Steve Nash and Chauncey Billups have both stated emphatically that they want to stay where they are and help rebuild those franchises. Even if you think this is just PR, if either wanted to quietly request a trade to a championship contender behind the scenes, do you think they would ask to be traded to the Hawks?

Because the Hawks have painted themselves into a corner with Joe’s salary, they have very few options to upgrade the roster. Trade Marvin? He’s the only legitimate small forward on the roster. Who would the Hawks get for Marvin that would improve the roster?

Trade Josh Smith? You saw what happened when Drew ran the offense through Zaza Pachulia to start the 4th quarter. Even if we got a borderline all star point guard in return, that would leave a gaping hole in our front court. You think Mo Evans has any trade value whatsoever?

The only real option is to put Jeff Teague on the floor, live with his mistakes, live with how it will hurt our playoff positioning, and hope that by the playoffs he’s ready to be a legitimate starter.

Other than that, the Hawks are relying on late first round picks and second round picks to find a miracle. It’s hard to put much hope in this, however. Pape Sy was projected as a point guard. He couldn’t get off the bench for a bad team in the French league and he can’t bring the ball up against D-League defense.

Think about this. Not only did the Hawks pass on Chris Paul and Deron Williams to draft Marvin based on “superstar potential” rather than address the glaring need at point guard, in the second round of that draft they took undersized shooting guard Salim Stoudamire. Two current starting NBA point guards were drafted after Stoudamire in that draft: Lou Williams and Monta Ellis. The Hawks have got to improve their talent evaluation or this franchise has reached its ceiling.

Sautee

January 30th, 2011
2:14 pm

O’Brien,

It even happens in games we WIN, at times. Here are 4 games that we won despite at 20 point (or less) 4th quarter:

10/29 PHI W 104-101 20 pts in 4th

11/28 TOR W 96-78 19 pts. in 4th

12/27 MIL W 95-80 18 pts in 4th

1/18 MIA W 93-89 in OT 19 pts in 4th

What I’d LOVE to see is LD taking the Mike Smith approach to the 4th quarter:

No unforced errors, ever. Make the other team beat you by playing solid with few mistakes. If they lose like THAT in the 4th, then you just give the other team their due for outplaying you. I could handle the late losses more if they didn’t include so many mental mistakes.

Sautee

January 30th, 2011
2:22 pm

Buddy Grizzard,

Sorry man, but if you think that Lou Williams and Monta Ellis are PGs then your talent evaluation is no better than that of the Hawks. While they give their teams minutes at PG they are no more a PG than Jamal (who gives us minutes at PG but is in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM a point guard). Just my two cents. And I have NO argument with most of your post.

Tremaine

January 30th, 2011
2:28 pm

Do anybody think Kobe, Lebron, or Carmelo would let their teams constantly collapse in the 4th. NO! It was clear that Joe was not worth the money. The owners gave it to him anyway because they were scared of getting worse in the regular season and losing fans which mean they would have been losing money.