Atlanta Hawks: Josh Smith fined $25,000 for ‘obscene gesture’
The NBA today fined Hawks forward Josh Smith $25,000 for an obscene gesture he made during Atlanta’s 111-102 victory against the Knicks on Friday.
The incident happened after Smith made a 3-pointer to give the Hawks a 105-97 lead with 3:44 to play. Smith made a motion near his groin area as he ran back up the court. Television cameras captured the incident.
It’s the third act of discipline handed out by the league in relation to the game. The league suspended Hawks forward Marvin Williams for two games and Knicks forward Shawne Williams for a game after the players were involved in a fight in the final minute.
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Trojan
January 30th, 2011
11:51 am
Wouldn’t it be nice if the Hawks had a owner like Blank who would state that the “loss still stings”. Blank is a great owner.
Gilley
January 30th, 2011
12:04 pm
I didn’t even notice but I guess I was busy celebrating….lol
Loserville USA
January 30th, 2011
12:16 pm
Guy shouldn’t be shooting outside 3 feet. Makes a 3-pointer thinks he has “marbles.” Most irritating, overrated out-of-control player in the league.
lewis
January 30th, 2011
12:28 pm
lol
Angus
January 30th, 2011
12:29 pm
Smoove’s was petty.
The best ever? Marshawn Lynch’s incredible run vs. the Saints. After the best run ever, mid-air crotch grab. Had he not had the ball in his right hand, I’m sure he would’ve given the Saints the finger as well.
@ 1:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynn7VGY2Asc
Awesome.
Section 303
January 30th, 2011
12:32 pm
Why does anyone even care about this? I watch NBA games all the time. I’ve heard guys drop f-bombs right into the baseline mikes, amoung other things. One gesture warrents a $25,000 fine?
Section 303
January 30th, 2011
12:35 pm
Angus, that was funny. I totally missed the mid-air crotch grab. Good link.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 30th, 2011
12:46 pm
Lewd and Lascivious!
I didn’t see the infraction, but if crotch grabbing is worth 25K, then how much will it cost for KG punching Channing Frye on his junk?
What KG did was more Lewd and Lascivious, IMHO and criminal. A Tort Crime. Assault and Battery. ROF-LOL!
Willy
January 30th, 2011
12:58 pm
Josh Smith’s ego won’t be satisfied until the Hawks put his face on the team logo.
leo
January 30th, 2011
1:03 pm
Trade him, while we still can!!!
Go Hawks!!!
majortee
January 30th, 2011
1:08 pm
Enter your comments here
majortee
January 30th, 2011
1:11 pm
@loserville,usa: please know the players stats before commenting, the guy is shooting the best he has ever shot since he’s been in the nba. the fine is justified, but to bad mouth his play is crazy!
majortee
January 30th, 2011
1:12 pm
@ leo: Trade smoove for who?
m915
January 30th, 2011
1:14 pm
Hey Trojan, Blank is a clown like the rest of those falcons(falclowns)
majortee
January 30th, 2011
1:15 pm
25k is robbery!!!!!!
rollo lawson
January 30th, 2011
1:21 pm
Forget about this petty ish. Management needs to make a trade to get this team a big and a pg. Zaza is trash, plain and simple. Can’t jump, finish, and has hands of stone. Bibby is not a starting pg. Teague should have been the starting pg from day one. Drew should have dealt with the growing pains early. If he had, I believe Teague would be in a groove right now. The team should have drafted Toney Douglas in 2009 anyway. Stupid cheap ass front office.
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
1:22 pm
How can he get fined 25K for that? He didn’t even flip the bird. Kobe does the nutsack dance all the time with no punishment (or he used to)
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
1:25 pm
Why can I not post on here at home? Every post gets eaten by the blog monster, but anywhere else I post it goes through. MC, Please help a brotha out ha!
drmaryb (*_*)
January 30th, 2011
1:39 pm
Sautee
I googled that qoute and it was not a NFL Coach, but was the retired Admiral Obama appointed to lead the Gulf Oil Spill – Public Relations after the BP CEO (the British guy?), lamented, “I just want to get my life back!”
After the loss of what? 8 men that died in that rig explosion and were husbands and fathers. This famous quote touched me deeply and was made on or about June 1, 2010. Sautee, have you heard this quote before?
_________________________
“Renting Space In My Head
Just heard an amazing quote from Admiral Thad Allen, “I am careful who I let rent space in my head.” He is the federal government’s chief on the oil catastrophe in the Gulf. This was the Admiral’s response to the CNN reporter on how he deals with the criticism he deals with on a daily basis.”
___________________________________
That’s the filter I use on this bog, especially when the trolls wake up and begin roaming about. LOL!
Matt from MN
January 30th, 2011
1:43 pm
Trade Josh for a roll of bandages and count yourself lucky you got that much for a petulant child.
O'Brien
January 30th, 2011
1:48 pm
No surprise he got fined. But imagine if he missed that 3. The score would have been 102-97, and the Knicks would have the ball.
Big shot by Josh. But as we saw in the Mavs game, the Bucks game, the Hornets game, those shots wont always go in.
O'Brien
January 30th, 2011
1:49 pm
I posted this on the other blog before seeing this one…
Last year, the Hawks lost 29 games. Of those 29 losses, we failed to score more than 19 points in the fourth quarter 11 times .
This season, despite the motion offense, we are struggling even more than we did last year in the fourth quarter.
Of our 18 losses this season, there have been 9 . games where we failed to score more than 19 points in the fourth.
That is unacceptable. If you cannot score in the fourth, and you cannot stop the other team from scoring, how are you supposed to win?
drmaryb (*_*)
January 30th, 2011
1:49 pm
JeJe can’t post from home! Yeah! There is a God!
____________________
That’s called karma JeJe, it’s been awfully nice not to waste time scrolling past your blasphemy of God’s great and holy name! Whooppeee! You have nothing of value to add or say to the conversation anyway. I’m feeding the blog monster organic fruits and vegetables daily, to make sure he keeps working hard to eat up the bile and hot garbage. Oh! And BTW – You’re Fired!
Gotta’ go give that monster a treat!
LOL!
O'Brien
January 30th, 2011
2:06 pm
Ken S,
You’re right. Bibby’s averages/numbers the last 5 games have been downright horrible.
29 mpg, 5-18 from 3 (28%), 12-32 from the field (38%), 6 ppg, 2 apg, 4 rpg (and 1 FT TOTAL in 5 games).
His January numbers are not pretty either.
32 mpg, 8 ppg, 3 apg, and 3 rpg, and he only shot 39% from 3.
But look on the bright side, he has a really good assist to turnover ratio
Worldwide Clyde
January 30th, 2011
2:45 pm
Jeje they doing me the same way. Either I can’t post or my internet browser closes all of a sudden. I believe they hatin on us. The Spirit Group must have told them to ban our IP address.
They can hate all they want but they can’t stop us.
FIRE SUND
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
3:05 pm
drmaryb,
Do I know you? You don’t know me. Walk away.
rollo lawson
January 30th, 2011
3:11 pm
Marvin and Zaza for Chris Kaman. Then Bibby and Mo Evans for Will Bynum and Rip Hamilton. Do it Sund.
Michael Cunningham
January 30th, 2011
3:16 pm
@ Sec. 303: “Why does anyone even care about this? I watch NBA games all the time. I’ve heard guys drop f-bombs right into the baseline mikes, amoung other things. One gesture warrents a $25,000 fine?”
i think it’s because SportSouth used a close-up, low angle replay of the celebration. i was confused as to why they would do that.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 30th, 2011
3:17 pm
Poetic Justice!
LOL! ASKG finally did something right. Why does the firing squad blog here anyways. JeJe go get a real job that pays. Stop smooching off your Mom’s and man up! All you do is re-post and regurgitate the same old stuff over and over.
Check back next year and re-post what you said today. We won’t miss you one bit.
Michael Cunningham
January 30th, 2011
3:18 pm
@JeJe: “Why can I not post on here at home? Every post gets eaten by the blog monster, but anywhere else I post it goes through. MC, Please help a brotha out ha!”
not sure. last time you told me about this i checked the place where eaten posts go to die and didn’t see anything from you.
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
3:19 pm
The Marvin suspension is a blessing in disguise. I doubt we win last night with him anyway (it sucks getting swept by a team). So let’s win vs. Toronto at home and he can come back even more rested. I kinda wish his suspension was even longer so he could rest til the All Star Break. Although we know he’ll probably get hurt in a few weeks since that’s what he does.
And I think it’s something Shawne Williams said after Marvin pushed him that really pissed him off. When their lips are almost touching (no homo), Shawne says something. Maybe Shawne was annoying Marvin all game. We all know Shawne Williams is a rogue
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
3:21 pm
Ha MC that’s straight. At my apartment the posts never go through, but everywhere else they do. Also, what do you think of this fine? I feel Kobe (especially) and others like KG do things like what Smoove did but don’t get fined as much or at all
Sautee
January 30th, 2011
3:21 pm
Ken (or MC),
If you get a chance, could you ask LD about why we don’t run the motion offense more in crunch time? That seems to be when you’d MOST want to run it, since “everybody on the floor” would be a threat to score, as LD put it in the off season. Doesn’t that put more pressure on the defense than trying to guard one or two players with a favorable matchup?
But it seems that when things get tight, we revert to ISO’s all too much.
I’d love to know LD’s answer to that question. Thank you.
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
3:21 pm
drmaryb, I can count on one hand here the people on this blog that enjoy your presence. When my posts go through on this blog, I am easily a top 7 poster with my insights. You just use exclamation marks and serve as the AJC Cheerleader. Sh*t, no one here takes you serious. LOL!
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
3:23 pm
And you know why I regurgitate info? It’s because I’m RIGHT.
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
3:25 pm
People who want to trade Joe for Carmelo are idiots. Joe > Carmelo. Sorry people. Joe’s defense makes him a far more complete player. If you trade for Carmelo, you trade Smoove/Jamal + Marvin + picks.
I tried posting this 5 times the other day, but to no avail
FIRE SUND
rollo lawson
January 30th, 2011
3:28 pm
Joe was gettin what he wanted and we went away from him. What took Drew so long to insert Rescue. It was pretty clear Bibby could not guard either pg. Its time for a trade that does not involve Josh, Joe, or Al.
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
3:30 pm
LOL @ comments about how Teague doesn’t work hard nor impress staff. Those 2 facts are all the reason in the world to show why we need to trade for a PG.
Our best lineup is Jamal Joe Marvin Horford ZaZa. This lineup would work damn well if LD used it.
Trade Smoove.
Sorry, I take that back. I forgot that people here think Smoove > Kevin Love.
LOL
Sautee
January 30th, 2011
3:32 pm
Jeje,
Other than your using ALL CAPS too often, I have no quarrel with you or most of your posts. However, I do find it laughable that you somehow think there’s some kind of rating for posters.
“Easily top 7?” WTF is that and Who the F cares?
Unlike you (apparently) most of us just come here to shoot the sh!t about the Hawks. I’m not aware of any competition to be in the top 7, LOL!
Just show up and do what you do.
Grandad
January 30th, 2011
3:33 pm
I must admit;
I was unable to see the game last eve.
But I would like to comment on *4th qtr woes,
-plus-
*last nights game based on the stats.
*[the two may be tied together]
(1) Bibby may be getting tired.
(2) It might be time to trade Jamal for a BIG
(3) 4 for 20 from the three point line
(4) Do we run motion or Iso in the 4th qtr.?
(5) *We have to run the offense through Al in the 4th.
* [it will make it easier on Joe]
(6) Al’s a stud
(7) Josh’s latest adolescent, puerile, boorish, silly, amateurish and rude behavior,
leads me to believe that revoking his position as Capt as a minimum or *trading him
while his value is the highest is in the Hawks best interest.
*[once again for a BIG]
(8) Why do I keep saying get a BIG? 4th qtr meltdown = need for a BIG !
-OR-
(9) Trade for Steve Nash.
rollo lawson
January 30th, 2011
3:35 pm
Marvin, Jamal, Bibby for Rip, Tayshaun, and Will Bynum.
CONservative Johnson
January 30th, 2011
3:37 pm
Eddie House just did the same thing with the national audience of ABC. Let’s see what his punishment is . . .
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
3:37 pm
“I didn’t see the infraction, but if crotch grabbing is worth 25K, then how much will it cost for KG punching Channing Frye on his junk?”
Co-sign. The NBA’s discipline office has their priorities all f-cked up.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 30th, 2011
3:38 pm
I didn’t know you could have the internet while on Section 8 housing?
I better write the Governor and file a complaint.
Oh yeah, JeJe … You forgot to fire woody? Oh, my bad, Mr. Woodson’s contract expired, guess he can’t be fired after all.
Oh well, sucks being you! Too bad … So sad.
_________________________
Let’s Go Hawks!
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
3:39 pm
“Jeje,
Other than your using ALL CAPS too often, I have no quarrel with you or most of your posts. However, I do find it laughable that you somehow think there’s some kind of rating for posters.”
Sautee,
Proclaiming myself as top 7 may not be as numerically significant as much as the fact that it implies I have more insightful comments to make than most other here. Sorry, but it’s true.
*Shooter McGavin*
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
3:45 pm
Wow, Section 8 Housing. drmaryb, I’m impressed!
I thought besides the exclamation mark button and cheerleading, you didn’t know much about anything else.
Sautee
January 30th, 2011
3:45 pm
Jeje,
You are welcome to your own opinion of your “insights”, but if you don’t mind, I’ll make up my own mind about whom I feel is insightful. But if you are going to make such an outrageous and boastful statement, then be prepared for some serious backlash if one of your “insights” is less than fully supported by facts.
Just sayin’.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
3:48 pm
If they are going to fine Smoove for that, fine, but Sam Cassell did the same thing after pretty much every big shot he hit with the T-Wolves and Celtics, and I don’t remember him getting fined. Maybe like MC says it’s because SportSouth broadcast a close up TV angle.
I also think it’s funny how this otherwise invisible legion of Smoove haters pops up any time anything negative is mentioned about him to cry that he should be traded. For who? Some of you sound like you want to trade him as addition by subtraction, which is idiotic. Trade Smoove (or anyone else) if it gets you someone better. Otherwise, take the good with the bad and move on. The fact is that there are only about 50 or so players in the league, at most, who are better than him, and the number of those who would improve the Hawks and are on the trading block is even smaller.
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
3:57 pm
“Jeje,
You are welcome to your own opinion of your “insights”, but if you don’t mind, I’ll make up my own mind about whom I feel is insightful. But if you are going to make such an outrageous and boastful statement, then be prepared for some serious backlash if one of your “insights” is less than fully supported by facts.
Just sayin’.”
Got it.
FIRE WOODY
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
3:57 pm
From the previous blog:
“Nahila, the Hawks are not running out of gas. In the fourth, defenses start to tighten up, and start to overplay Joe on the perimeter. Normally when this happens the Hawks continue to shoot more bad jumpers, because they don’t consistently goto the post, and don’t have a point guard who can break down the defense (even against the zone). Its not really anything dealing with fatigue. It has more to do with playing style, lack of adjustments, and lack of personnel.”
Co-sign. This is the real reason why, as O’Brien points out, the Hawks’ 4th quarter scoring is down. Other teams tighten up, and instead of continuing with what has worked the entire game (the post game, Al’s mid range game, bringing Joe off screens) the Hawks revert to the perimeter and isolation and stop moving the ball.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 30th, 2011
4:01 pm
JeJe
Thats because you can’t read normal print and big words. Stay on the bus, Oh my bad, how will you get home where you can’t post from?
They’re making it uncomfortable for you to post your jibberish from the confines of your lovely home? That should tell you that you’re not on the ‘A’ – List!
Only in your mind, only there. BTW, I’m just having fun on here, none of this stuff is personal for me. IDK you from “Willie Lump-Meat”!
ROF-LOL
Ozzy
January 30th, 2011
4:10 pm
This is why Pro basketball is losing popularity! Too many thugs and hip-hop wantabes! Pro Basketball died the day Michael Jordan retired!!
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
4:18 pm
Another thing I’ve tried to post many times:
Horford needs to take far more shots. His shot was a bit off yesterday, but he has been automatic for much of the year. The guy shot 7-9 vs. Milwaukee. How does he get 9 shots and Smoove gets 21?
LD obviously has no idea how to control Smoove. He tells Smoove it’s a bad shot and then Smoove does nothing to change it the next day. If I was LD, I’d fine Smoove $50 for every bad shot – that’s something Phil Jackson would do/has done (with Bynum shooting a 3 vs. us late in a game)
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
4:20 pm
FIRE DRMARYB
FIRE MIKE KNAPP
FIRE ASG
FIRE SUND
FIRE WOODY
northcyde
January 30th, 2011
4:23 pm
Maybe if we had a few more ‘”thugs” on this team, the Hawks wouldn’t play so soft at times. That term to describe Black NBA players is the most overused term ever. 75% of those guys can’t even fight.
But oh no . . he has some tattoos, and his hairis braided, so he must be a thug. But if you’re a White player with tattoos ( Chris Andersen ), you’re “cool and eccentric”.
Jamal and Marvin must be the biggest “thugs” in the world then, since both of them have more tattoos on their arms, than the rest of the Hawks combined . . yet . . those two are easily the most articulate Hawks on the team.
Sautee
January 30th, 2011
4:38 pm
Does anyone else have problems at this website? My computer regularly dumps out of Firefox at this website. It seems to happen most often when the “tubemogul” app is loading.
Anyone else having this happen?
northcyde
January 30th, 2011
4:39 pm
If Smith could be trusted to make the right play, I would run 4th quarter offense through him in the high post ( FT line to top of the key ).
But he would have to promise me to be a passer FIRST, and if the play breaks down, take the ball to the rim. No settling for the jumper, even if people play off of him. If he misses a shot going to the rim, he may at least have a chance to grab his own rebound or get fouled.
But with Smith in the high post, I’d be having JJ trying to free himself with cuts to the basket or the opportunity to come off screens to take an open 19 footer off a catch and shoot. And Horford would be working baseline to baseline. Smith is a good passer, and I’d much rather see him be a facilitator in the 4th quarter, than a guy who is looked upon to make jumpers.
With JJ in the ISO, he has to be surrounded by people who can make shots, so we can make people pay for doubling JJ. And one of the changes that has to be made if we’re going to continue to go ISO JJ, is that Smith needs to be positioned closer to the basket, in order to get offensive rebounds. Too many times, we have JJ or one of the bigs taking jumpshots, and if they miss, we’re one and done.
CONservative Johnson
January 30th, 2011
4:39 pm
Ozzy, yes, because Jordan was such a great guy . . .
Or maybe it is just some people’s racial attitudes towards other people.
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
4:50 pm
One of the other elite(*) posters on here, northcyde, has constantly pointed out how we are not talented enough to be elite. Our bench blows.
Jamal is sick – we all know that. But you can never be sure what Mo, ZaZa, or Teague will give you.
LOL @ Teague not working hard enough. Can’t even beat BIBBY in practice.
ZaZa sometimes plays great, but mostly is awful. How is it possible he gets every shot stripped while slumped over?
What a pathetic thing to see
drmaryb (*_*)
January 30th, 2011
4:53 pm
“The guy shot 7-9 vs. Milwaukee. How does he get 9 shots and Smoove gets 21?”
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How many of those 21 shots did Al pass the ball to Josh? Josh is a lot more aggressive with looking for his shot than Al. Al should go strong to the basket at least 15 times per game to create his own shot opportunities. Maybe, be a little more selfish and draw some contact for foul shot attempts. IMHO.
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
4:55 pm
I’d still trade Josh Smith for Kevin Love.
I am willing to sacrifice all that shot-blocking for someone who BOXES OUT AND REBOUNDS AND HAS A GOOD ATTITUDE
northcyde
January 30th, 2011
4:56 pm
But personnel is a huge reason why we struggle like we do in the 4th
- no penetrating PG who can finish at the rim, or make the right pass ( Bibby can’t do it, Teague can’t finish in traffic around the rim, and Jamal will settle for the midrange jumper, even when he does beat people off the dribble )
- no go to post player who can work one on one and make a shot or draw a foul ( Neither Horford nor Josh are great creators of their offense down on the low block, nor do they go hard enough to draw fouls )
- no real slasher on the team who can catch the ball 20 feet away from the rim, and go hard into the paint looking to score. ( If and when JJ slashes, he’s doing more probing than slashing, so that he can shoot the jumper or the floater. But like Horford and Smith, he’s not going hard enough to the hole to draw fouls )
So if Drew is truly an offensive coach, he needs to come with better offensive sets to get us better looks. But it’s hard for him to do, when you see the offensive limitations of the roster.
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
4:57 pm
That Mavs team is going to be damn scary this year. Two hellish shotblockers in Chandler and Haywood, scorers all over, and adding Peja. Too bad Caron is out.
Could This Be Dallas’ Year?!?!?!
No – they will choke early in the Playoffs again. SMDH
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
5:00 pm
It’d be nice if Joe showed some damn emotion late in the game. It’s so annoying when he commits a turnover and has this nonchalant look on his face. It doesn’t matter if he’s quiet. I have reason to believe Horford is pretty quiet and he shows a ton of emotion when it matters or something is going on. So does Marvin…JeJe
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
5:05 pm
How the heck does Sacramento win @LAL and then win vs. New Orleans the next night? I remember SAC lost in the last seconds to LAL twice last year. Must feel good.
FIRE SUND
northcyde
January 30th, 2011
5:10 pm
Exactly @ drmaryb’s 4:53 post.
Somebody on this team has to be willing to go hard to the rim and draw contact, so that we can get cheap points at the line.
It was one play during the 4th quarter last night in which the Hawks had a 3 on 2 break. I think either JJ or Damien was going toward the paint with the ball, but passed it off to Horford on the left side. He was still moving when he caught the ball, but instead of going hard to the rim, he tried to gather himself real fast and shot a jumper. He missed, Dallas got the rebound, and they go the other way.
It’s little plays like that come back to put this team in a hole in the 4th. It’s the entire set up of the offense that kills us, along with the non-attack mode of the players.
- For some reason, Smith is ALWAYS out by the 3 point line in the 4th.
- ISO JJ seems to always begin beyond the 3 point line
- The other people NEVER move around or cut to the basket
- Even a pick to help JJ free himself hardly ever comes
- Then we compound the offensive woes, with our inability to stop people all of a sudden ( and while Bibby is the most glaring defensive weakness, it’s everybody who is breaking down defensively )
The Hawks need to figure this out though. It happens waaay too often for the coaches and players to simply blow it off.
brigadierjerry
January 30th, 2011
5:22 pm
drmaryb, northclyde or anyone do you feel this hawks team has a better chance against the Magic or Heat this year?Who do you feel between the top 4 teams in the east being celtics heat bulls or magic, who do you feel they match up best with and have a chance to beat in the playoffs
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
5:23 pm
Also, notice that in the Milwaukee game, Smoove took 21 shots, many of them jumpers. This was mostly because he was at the Small Forward slot. When he is at the 4, our starting lineup is worse off (Marvin is better off coming off the bench).
There’s another crappy situation for you all.
We better hope we don’t play Boston in a series because Horford cannot guard KG and Smoove is better off guarding Pierce in my opinion. Awful matchups all over
brigadierjerry
January 30th, 2011
5:30 pm
watching Ray Allen move around screens a thing of beauty good physical game between two teams that play to their strengths
JeJe
January 30th, 2011
5:31 pm
We could definitely give Miami a good series.
Wade/LBJ + Bosh >>>>>> Wade + LBJ
Bosh is far more important than people have thought.
Chicago has got to be overachieving. There’s no way that roster can compete. I think we can give any team besides Boston a pretty good 7 game series
Grandad
January 30th, 2011
5:40 pm
1st @ Najeh when a person mentions trade and Josh in conjunction,
it does not mean said person is a Josh hater.
2nd nothcyde I purposely called Josh a neanderthal rather than a thug.
You are correct…tats and piercings mean nothing…behavior does.
I agree the Hawks need tough guys, but not buffoons.
Having character = stability.
Being a character = uncertainty?
Rodman is one of if not my favorite all-time players
but he needed someone to keep him balanced.
Rodman + Jordan
Artest + Kobe
Josh + the Hawks have no such player !
Once and for all, I really like Josh.
However, I’m pragmatic enough to realize that a team must maximize it’s assets.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
5:41 pm
Al has a little Teague in him, in that he is too passive. There was a play in yesterday’s game when Joe got doubled and passed him the ball near the free throw line. Instead of shooting the automatic (for him) jumper or driving it against the guy who was guarding him to pick up the foul, he swung it to Jamal in the other corner, and by the time the ball got there Jamal’s defender had rotated over. Jamal bricked the contested 3. The Hawks need to feed Al more, but Al needs to be more aggressive when he gets the ball. The majority of big men in the league cannot guard him off the dribble and are not comfortable stepping out on his mid range jumper.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
5:42 pm
“@ Najeh when a person mentions trade and Josh in conjunction,
it does not mean said person is a Josh hater.”
I didn’t say they were, and I wasn’t referring to you or JeJe with that post. I was referring to the people who are nowhere to be seen at any other time except when they come here to whine that he needs to be traded.
Dshep
January 30th, 2011
5:56 pm
MC? I am very disappointed that you feel the fine was too big and wonder why anyone cares. He should have been suspended and fined more!!I am a huge NBA fan and love The Hawks. My 11 year old daughter saw that emabarrassing gesture and asked me ” what Josh meant by it”. We live out of state and purchase the NBA League Pass so we can watch our favorite team. I am dropping my subscription and writing the NBA off because the players are making it very dificult for me to show my daughter what is right and wrong in life. Just today, Eddie House did a similar thing against The Thunder when he made a big shot. I wonder if Josh would like me grabbing my crotch and making obscene gestures and cussing like a sailor in front of his daughter, he claims to love so much?
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
6:06 pm
Bad weekend for the Hawks. Heat win, Celtics are about to win, Orlando is playing Cleveland which is basically an automatic win, and Chicago won yesterday. Hawks basically lost ground to everybody.
Grandad
January 30th, 2011
6:06 pm
Don’t blame anything Josh does on playing the [3].
If Collin or Zaza are in the game along with Al and Josh
then Josh is playing the [3].
Josh somehow ends up outside no matter what.
Josh does screen on occasion + pick & pop.
However, when he runs screen & roll with Joe he never gets it back.
Joe pounds the ball waiting for all to clear out (spacing Josh outside)
thus Joe is part of the problem. Not Josh’s position !
Dshep
January 30th, 2011
6:09 pm
MC… I meant Sec 303. sorry
Sautee
January 30th, 2011
6:16 pm
Najeh,
I agree on Horford’s need for more aggression with the ball. I think if we posted him up more often, he’d become more aggressive. He’d have to, and that would be a good thing. Yes, his postup game is still immature, but he’s a quick study and would soon find out what works. I’d be willing to suffer through a few possessions per night to find out, as he would at least have a chance to get fouled and get to the FT line.
He also badly needs a left hand counter move.
niremetal
January 30th, 2011
6:24 pm
I think if we posted him up more often, he’d become more aggressive. He’d have to, and that would be a good thing. Yes, his postup game is still immature, but he’s a quick study and would soon find out what works.
If Horford is showing that he has good post-up moves in practice, then I agree. But I don’t get the feeling he is. When we do post him up, he looks stiff and mechanical. Dude did 3 years of D1 ball and is in his 4th year in the league. Sorry, but I don’t see him developing anything more than a mediocre post-up repertoire. That’s just not his game. Which is fine, because plenty of starting bigs around the league survive just fine without one. In fact, most big men in the modern NBA do, including all the All-Star level ones save Duncan, Gasol, and Bosh.
northcyde
January 30th, 2011
6:31 pm
@ Grandad
What about when Josh plays the 4, and he ends up on the outside? What then?
When you watch how the different teams run ISO, ours is somewhat similar to how Miami does it with Lebron/Wade, than how the Lakers let Kobe run ISO.
Lebron and Wade are like JJ, in which they are notorious for holding the ball and trying to make a play within the last 10 seconds of the shot clock. They’re also willing passers out of the ISO. Unlike JJ though, when they attack the lane, they try to get all the way to the rim to score or draw a foul.
Kobe, on the other hand, looks to almost always score the ball himself when he goes ISO. And he doesn’t wait until the clock goes down . . he just goes . . but he’s not passing the ball 80% of the time. And he takes some of the most difficult shots in NBA history.
Somehow . . JJ’s ISO is somewhere in between these two. He’s the willing passer out of the ISO ( contrary to popular belief ). But when he creates his shot, he’s not in attack mode. He’s in “just let me get off a shot mode”.
One of the late moves he made last night, in which he got an and-1 out of, is one of the rare times JJ looked to get all the way to the rim, instead of settling for the floater.
If he goes ISO, he just needs to go with more urgency, and try to get in the lane. If he wants to take the jumper, just pull up and take the jumper.
That’s one thing I’ll say about Jamal. When he goes ISO, you know the shot is going up . . good or bad. When JJ has that floater or the post up going like he did last night, he should simply stay in attack mode and try to score himself.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
6:45 pm
A big difference between Iso-Joe and Iso-Bron or Iso-Wade or Iso-Kobe, though, is that Joe is nowhere near as quick or athletic as them, which is a big reason he doesn’t attack like they do. LeBron and Wade and Kobe are all quick enough and athletic enough to get to the hoop against any defense and draw contact. Joe is not that quick, which is a big reason why Iso-Joe fails more often than not.
If the Hawks are going to isolate Joe, they should get him the ball in the post and clear out, so he can use his strength to back people down and get close to the basket. Without above-average quickness, he has to work way too hard to get to the hoop in isolation when he gets it on the perimeter, and the result more often than not is a contested jumper.
Section 303
January 30th, 2011
6:51 pm
Dshep, I stand by what I said. This is not a big deal. Should he have done it? Probably not. Do I like it? No. But, there’s far worse things in this world than Josh Smith making gesture.
Maybe you should just keep your daughter hidden away from the world forever. That way she won’t have to worry about idiots making gesters. Give me a break. I hope the people at League Pass get your letter and throw it away with no reply. You’re making way to big of deal out of this. I’m betting your daughter’s life progresses just fine after watching Josh Smith make a stupid (and it was stupid) gesture.
sam'l
January 30th, 2011
7:10 pm
Well, are the insults over? Really cheapens the blog……
I’ve always thought the Hawks had excellent personnell and I still do…..Johnson, Horford, Crawford and Smith. Bibby has his moments, Evans has in the past, Collins must be doing something right and of course Williams is a star in everything he does except when it comes to playing basketball.
After seeing the “punch,” I no longer feel like trading Williams….even though it was downright stupid to get suspended, especially after being off the courrt so long especially after giving lukewarm to horrid performances for so long……he was provoked, shoved around…..so he blew up.
What’s the real problem with the Hawks? I think it’s this. The players don’t respect the organization, the coach, the management, the fans or,the city, They make plenty of money and they’ve come to believe that all they have to do is say the right things and their life is basically gravy. But…..secretly, if things don’t go their way (playing time, bragging rights, being able to dog it withiout being noticed, they’re happy if the team loses. They can’t show it openly but they’re thinking….take that Drew, or take that Gearon…or take that man and family in the stands….I’m making bucks and you’re sitting there crying.
I think my current (and soon to be ex-partner) for introducing me into the wonderful world of passive-aggression.
I think I’ll exempt Horford from this. But Teague, Smith and Williams fit the profile. Crawford actually has a right to be pissed about his contract so he teeters on the edge. Johnson really is an individualist so he can take it or leavve it, win or lose, but he certainly didn’t help the team if he played wounded last year and didn’t tell anyone about it.
There is (in this jaded opinion) a personality disorder among the personnel……….If I were an Otis Smith type, I think I would now package…….Smith (although I love to see him play well), Williams (even though he will become a star somewhere elss) and Teague (though we sure need him)………just to get them the heck away from the club. Fumble-fingered Pachulia would go next. ,
If you find a point guard and a center out of all this……so much the better.
I just had this thought today…..and I’m subject to change my mind without further notice.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 30th, 2011
7:27 pm
To Be or Not to Be? That is the question before us:
brigadierjerry
Great question Magic or Heat?
Well Sir, we will need some Magic to Heat and some Heat to beat the Magic!
I would take my chance with the Heat in a seven game series due to their deficiency at PG and Center. Sounds familiar. Also, we match up well personnel and size wise. The Heat has the best defense in the NBA, but if we lock in on defense, we can be pretty formidable as well. The Magic is so deep in our head and azz from the last seven game series, that I just don’t want any parts of them, even in their weakened state after the blockbuster trade that damaged their team, IMHO.
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Great question there. Whoever we play, we need to play our game in the fourth quarter! Make a move Sund! Do it Now!
northcyde
January 30th, 2011
7:38 pm
I can agree with that Najeh. That does mean that shooters need to be out on the floor with him, so when the double comes, he can pass it to them for an open shot.
Ironically, with people being so against acquiring Carmelo, this is exactly the role he could fill. Put him down on the block, throw the ball to him on the post up, and give him the option to either score or pass the ball out.
Put Josh on the opposite side along the baseline, to crash the board. Put JJ on the same side as Melo, out on the wing. Put Bibby on the opposite wing, so that he can receive a cross-court pass from Melo or from JJ on a swing pass. And put Horford in the high post around the FT line.
That would work out for us, with Melo on the team.
But you’re right. Athletically, JJ is more comparable to Melo and Pierce, than he is to Kobe, Lebron and Wade.
CobbGOPer
January 30th, 2011
7:46 pm
Meh. The only thing Josh should be fined for is taking a shot outside the three-point line.
rusty
January 30th, 2011
7:51 pm
Ld constantly let’s jj take control in the 4th quarter ruining all ball movement
leo
January 30th, 2011
7:56 pm
majortee
January 30th, 2011
1:12 pm
@ leo: Trade smoove for who?
I am hoping for Steve Nash
Liz
January 30th, 2011
7:57 pm
Maybe he had an itch he just had to scratch…maybe he is getting ready to sponser Gold Bond.
Liz
January 30th, 2011
7:57 pm
Now that is hilarious
Sautee
January 30th, 2011
7:58 pm
Whooda Thunk It: sam’l = Dr. Phil
LOL, next you’ll tell us the Hawks need a hug!
Just kiddin’ sam’l.
And you are correct that there are bound to be a lot of hidden psychological problems with having an ownership group that cannot be trusted OR looked up to.
The Truth
January 30th, 2011
8:18 pm
Blame that Dallas lose on LD for not putting his players in a position to win; Why pair Josh against Dirk since Dirk length neutralized him and got him in foul trouble? This took our beta-dog out of the game when we were already short-handed without Marvin. Josh should have played at SF and exploited Pavlovic who was available to be had. WTF was LD thinking starting Mo on Pavlovic? That’s putting weak-link against weak-link; no one wins here when we could have exposed their weakness to offset ours. LD should have started his big lineup with Collins@ center since Dallas started two 7-footers with Dirk and Chandler. Al @ PF might have done a better job on Dirk than Josh. Also I like Josh Powell spelling the SF starter (in that game) better than Mo assuming Josh had started @ SF. At least in that game, Powell and Teague both impacted the game in a positive way but LD was afraid to extent their minutes in the 4th. And please, this love-fest LD has for Zaza has got to stop or else he could get fired because of it. Most time we lose leads with our bench, Zaza seems to always be in the mix, go figure.
LD is emerging to show Woody-like coaching signs at least with his rotation. Unless for unusual circumstances, each of his players have a set PT allotment with very little derivation except for foul trouble.
The Truth
January 30th, 2011
8:22 pm
*each of his players has a set PT allotment with very little derivation except for foul trouble.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
8:36 pm
I really do wonder if LD plays Zaza to make Sund look good. I can’t think of any other explanation for Zaza getting minutes over Collins other than that he has an inflated, long term contract.
northcyde
January 30th, 2011
9:06 pm
@ The Truth . .. and that would make Drew a normal coach. Most coaches have the same 8 – 10 players playing every night . . for a certain amount of minutes.
AntijOSH
January 30th, 2011
9:08 pm
Josh is a thug…send him back to the projects
74-75 Hawks
January 30th, 2011
9:14 pm
Smith’s fine should have been $ 100,000.00 he belong’s down on Simpson Street anyway…
Andre
January 30th, 2011
9:23 pm
Cunningham you’re so right. It is because our own network did a close up on the “grabbing.” And the NBA had to do something. Because nobody on television saw it.
Rufus1
January 30th, 2011
9:27 pm
Bibby and Jamal…Our 4qt problems begin and end with them.
All of the other primary players play very solid defense in addition to offering solid offensive skill. Bibby and Jamal are such defensive liabilities, that they put enormous pressure on the team on the offensive end.
LD needs to go with his best defensive team in the 4th Qt, because we are not scoring against good team in the 4th anyway….So even if a player like Teague or Collins is better than Bibby or Jamal, because of defense. I would prefer JJ, Marv, Josh, Al and Collins…Unless they have a super quick PG, I would Take Teague.
YOU CLOSE GOOD TEAMS OUT ON THE DEFENSIVE END…..
bill
January 30th, 2011
9:31 pm
Josh is Josh…hasn’t changed in 10 years I’ve been watching him. Get used to it, because the Spirit Group has…
Rufus1
January 30th, 2011
9:31 pm
Bibby and Jamal…Our 4qt problems begin and end with them
They are also missing WIDE OPEN SHOTS….JJ is getting them good looks, THEY A MISSING THEM, PLAN AND SIMPLE!
Rufus1
January 30th, 2011
9:32 pm
Bibby and Jamal…Our 4qt problems begin and end with them.
All of the other primary players play very solid defense in addition to offering solid offensive skill. Bibby and Jamal are such defensive liabilities, that they put enormous pressure on the team on the offensive end.
LD needs to go with his best defensive team in the 4th Qt, because we are not scoring against good team in the 4th anyway….So even if a player like Teague or Collins is better than Bibby or Jamal, because of defense. I would prefer JJ, Marv, Josh, Al and Collins…Unless they have a super quick PG, I would Take Teague.
YOU CLOSE GOOD TEAMS OUT ON THE DEFENSIVE END…
The Truth
January 30th, 2011
9:54 pm
northcyde
Don’t missed this “set PT allotment with very little derivation except for foul trouble”
IMO LD missed an opportunity to exploit a Dallas weakness with Pavlovic in the game. This is a special situation that required LD to “derivate” from his normal rotation pattern and PT allotment. If Marvin had played, perhaps his normal rotation could have accomplished the same (we will never know). When a starter is out, the coach has to decide on the proper replacement. To me, this falls under the category of proper adjustments based on real-time events. In that case, every coach is unique since every game played is unique. LD in the past has been willing to start Collins and give him more PT for the same reasons I just mentioned. In this game, he just made the wrong moves with his rotations and got checkmated.
The Truth
January 30th, 2011
10:03 pm
Some people play poker better than others
northcyde
January 30th, 2011
10:08 pm
And Collins isn’t good either. Zaza is a much more active player than Collins. Against a scoring low post center, Collins should play before Zaza. But Collins barely gives you anything either, as far as energy and offense.
Updated player efficiency rankings by position ( on hoopsstats.com )
PG: Bibby ( 33rd ) – Teague ( 57th )
G: Johnson ( 6th ) – Jamal ( 21st ) – Damien ( 63rd ) – Jordan ( 76th )
F: Marvin ( 22nd ) – Evans ( 64th )
PF: Smith ( 10th ) – Powell ( 70th )
C: Horford ( 4th ) – Zaza ( 56th ) – Collins ( 75th ) – Etan ( 83rd )
This was the same thing we were seeing last year with our overall talent. Almost nothing is unchanged, other than Jamal not being in the top 15 in SGs.
Some people clamor for some of the reserves to get more playing time. But they’re below average players.
If the top 30 at each position represents starter caliber players . . and 31 – 60 represent 2nd string caliber players . . you see what the problem is with the Hawks.
Incredibly, we only have 8 players that rank in the top 60 at their position. And 6 players who rank 61st or worst at their respective position.
And people wonder why the coach shortens the rotation.
The Truth
January 30th, 2011
10:09 pm
*Some people play chess better than others
northcyde
January 30th, 2011
10:16 pm
And Teague and Zaza barely rank in the top 60 . . so we’re actually dependent on 6 guys. When Jamal doesn’t play well off the bench, the rest of the guys can’t pick up the slack most of the time.
The Truth
January 30th, 2011
10:32 pm
“But Collins barely gives you anything either, as far as energy and offense.”
Agreed, but for some reason, Collins clogs lanes better from a defense prospective that doesn’t show up in the stats sheets. Zaza maybe more active but against active athletic players, he gets eaten alive (how ironic lol).
bigdave
January 30th, 2011
10:35 pm
Al and Jeff are tentative for a reason. both have incomplete games. when you combine that w/ them rarely playing the game outside of their strengths/comfort zones you get that passiveness.
“But Collins barely gives you anything either, as far as energy and offense”
ill take all the things Jason doesnt do to hurt you over what little ZaZa gives you. plus, even though he hasnt seen a block since legos, he’s always a candidate to step up and take a charge.
ZaZa makes me queasy nowadays..
Man Man
January 30th, 2011
10:44 pm
If bibby’s not a starting pg, what is Derek Fisher?He is not the only pg that has defensive flaws.Most of the fast pg’s has a hard time keeping up wit other pg’s so don’t degrate 1 player without degrating them all.
Josh has a bad attitude how?Because he complains about getting fouled?How many other players do this?Com’on man.If you trade josh you loose most your fans.He does more than anyone on a night-to-night basis,then people want pick on his flaws.every basketbball players has flaws.Yall sitting up here talkin bout this man because he’s trying to expand his game?He has improved his outside shot much this year and it shows so sometimes i don’t know what yall talking bout.Half the time he be wide open talking those shots.You don’t pass up open shots
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
10:45 pm
“ill take all the things Jason doesnt do to hurt you over what little ZaZa gives you. plus, even though he hasnt seen a block since legos, he’s always a candidate to step up and take a charge.”
Exactly. Collins doesn’t give you a lot in the stat sheet, but he plays good position defense, understands his limitations, and is long enough that even if he just stands there with his arms in the air he can make it tougher for people to come down the lane and score over him. You’re not going to get negative plays with Collins.
Zaza on the other hand is pretty much a walking negative play. It’s either an illegal screen, or a blocked shot, or getting the ball stripped, or failing to draw iron on a wide open layup with him. He pretty much runs the entire range of negative plays possible. At this point if I was Joe and I saw him wide open under the hoop I wouldn’t even really feel comfortable passing him the ball. And the one thing at which Zaza is supposedly good — rebounding — isn’t even something he does fundamentally well or something at which he excels.
I really can’t think of anything positive Zaza provides to the Hawks right now. If he can go five possessions without causing a turnover or blowing an easy scoring opportunity, it’s a victory for the Hawks.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
10:50 pm
Just because you are “active” doesn’t mean you deserve minutes. Mario West was “active” but he had no discernible basketball skills and was a foul machine. Zaza may be “active”, but he doesn’t use his big body to alter shots or establish rebounding position on defense, and can’t convert scoring opportunities inside on offense. Just being a bull in a china shop isn’t a good enough reason for someone to get minutes.
If the Hawks need someone to p-ss off Kevin Garnett in the playoffs, put Zaza in. Otherwise, nail his ass to the bench and give Collins his minutes.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
11:02 pm
PER is notorious for underrating players who play good defense without racking up steals and blocks anyway. Bruce Bowen routinely ranked very low in efficiency even though he was one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.
Zaza has a lower true shooting percentage than Collins and has the highest turnover percentage on the entire team. He has a much higher rebound percentage, but we all know from watching him that a big chunk of his boards come from rebounding his own misses.
Collins should be the first big man off the bench when the Hawks start the small lineup, and Marvin should be the first big man off the bench when the Hawks start the big lineup. Etan Thomas should be the next guy behind those two, in the unfortunate event the Hawks need to go that deep. In the absence of a bench big man who can regularly come in and provide positive contributions both in and out of the stat sheet, I’ll take the guy who will provide positive contributions outside of the stat sheet and won’t make mistakes.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 30th, 2011
11:18 pm
Its Actual and Factual!
northcyde
January 30th, 2011
10:08 pm
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Simply Brilliant and Fantastic Post!
What else is there to say? A real blogger can see The Coach’s dilema.
When in Vegas – You play the odds TO WIN! Or? Come Post Season, you will be:
GONE FISHIN’ – period.
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SteveW
January 30th, 2011
11:23 pm
Some quotes from Hoopinion, one of my favorite NBA sources:
“Mike Bibby’s first stint in the game lasted four minutes and eight seconds. During that time DeShawn Stevenson scored two of Dallas’s 10 points and assisted on six others. The first quarter witnessed not just Stevenson matching his season high in assists for a game but Stevenson creating open looks for Dirk Nowitzki. Such a display throws into question the very existence of someone Mike Bibby could successfully guard but, when Rick Carlisle went to a backcourt of Jason Terry with either Jose Juan Barea or Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion and Dirk Nowitzki as his forwards, in the fourth quarter there was no one on the court Mike Bibby could successfully guard.
The Hawks have been outscored 85-48 over their last three fourth quarters. Mike Bibby has played 27:22 of those fourth quarters during which he has scored three points on five shots, earned one assist, and grabbed two defensive rebounds. Clearly, the need for Larry Drew to “see more production” exists on a case-by-case basis.” (Referring to Jeff Teague)
SteveW
January 30th, 2011
11:26 pm
Some more Hoopinion about the Dallas game:
“With Smith disqualified and Al Horford appearing seriously fatigued after having played more than 45 minutes the previous night, Drew made the reasonable (but also telling from a depth and roster construction perspective) decision to insert Damien Wilkins into the game to guard Dirk Nowitzki. Less reasonable and absolutely indefensible? The decision to have the Hawks begin switching ball-screens so that Dallas could get Jamal Crawford defending Nowitzki in the post whenever they wished.”
SteveW
January 30th, 2011
11:28 pm
And some more Hoopinion:
” – Jeff Teague looked really good playing with some starters in the second quarter and late in the third, less good playing alongside Crawford, Evans, Powell, and Pachulia at the start of the fourth quarter.
– The Hawks being -7 in the 7:15 Josh Powell played upon his re-emergence from suspension and inaction was all too predictable but, ooohhh, put-backs.
– In their last two road games, the Hawks have been outscored by 31 points and lost both to a team missing three starters through injury and a team that released a starter immediately following the game.”
SteveW
January 30th, 2011
11:31 pm
And one more from Hoopinion, insightful:
“The 13-point fourth quarter* was nothing about which the Atlanta Hawks can or should be proud but with the 15-point fourth quarter debacle in Milwaukee still less than a week old an impotent offensive performance in which missing open shots shared culpability with poor ball movement doesn’t seem as dire as Atlanta’s defensive performance in the fourth quarter in Dallas.
*The nadir was clearly the sight of the Hawks, coming out of a timeout with 2:14 left in the game, completely flummoxed by the Dallas zone they’d played against for much of this game and a fair amount of their previous meeting (but not on the previous possession…tricky, Rick Carlisle, very tricky), passing the ball around the perimeter until Joe Johnson could hold it, back up, and take a contested 28-footer from the right sideline with the shot clock winding down.
The short explanation for Atlanta’s fourth quarter defensive performance would be that Larry Drew had 60 minutes of individual minutes to allocate in the fourth quarter and 39% of them went to Mike Bibby, Jamal Crawford, and Josh Powell. Sufficient though that fact might be to illustrate Drew’s priorities, it fails to tell the full picture of ineptitude”.
Harpie
January 30th, 2011
11:57 pm
Josh and Drew are the ruination of this team!!!!
SteveW
January 31st, 2011
12:02 am
Just looking at who we traded on draft day – Damian James has only played 17 games for the Nets.
And we looked at Dominique Jones with the Mavs, who went #25. He also has only played 25 games to JC2’s 15 games. So none of the the guys we traded or looked at have done any thing.
Landry Fields on the other hand….But I’m still glad we got Jordan. Been lookin at his profile on DraftExpress – Good spot up shooter, and good leaper.
Teague on the other hand it said he was a good driver. Inteesting
Next season should be really interesting with these 2, and Pape Sy who’s finally looking decent in DLeague.
SteveW
January 31st, 2011
12:03 am
Dominique Jones has only played 17 games above post should read….
slimjr
January 31st, 2011
12:42 am
The Hawks are 28th in rebounding,just brutal…….
Sund=fail 31 years and counting……………………………………………………………………………………..
northcyde
January 31st, 2011
1:28 am
@ Man Man
But we don’t care about Derek Fisher. We care about Bibby and Teague.
By the way, Fisher ranks #41 amongst PGs and has played horribly offensively and defensively this year.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 31st, 2011
3:27 am
Where is The Logic?
The NBA has fined Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers $15,000 for failing to promptly leave the court after his ejection during a loss Friday to the host Phoenix Suns.The Celtics were tagged with six technical fouls during the 88-71 defeat and Rivers and forward Kevin Garnett were ejected. Nate Robinson and Kendrick Perkins also registered technicals after a fourth-quarter dust-up between Garnett and Phoenix’s Channing Frye. ESPN.com
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Asked about how what precipitated the first technical, Rivers told reporters: “”[Javie] actually came into our huddle. We were standing there, he came up to us. I’ll tell you exactly what was said. He said, ‘You guys are complaining way too much.’ And I said, ‘Well, let’s make the right calls.’ And his answer back was, ‘I’ll make a call for you.’ And that’s how I got the tech.” ESPN.com
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Crotch Grabbing 25K
Complaining 15K
Hitting below the Belt? Priceless.
If a Boxer – Hits Below The Belt? Disqualified & Match Forfeited.
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Aye Stern? Where is the LOGIC?
drmaryb (*_*)
January 31st, 2011
4:56 am
Complaint Department!
Besides Josh, maybe the Hawks and Drew don’t complain nearly enough.
4 HOF’ ers and they all complain incessantly, maybe that’s how you get the calls and win championships.
Just sayin’
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Boy do I have insomnia this morning. Doing medical billing and typing patient narratives. Deadlines and Procrastination’ s …. SMDH.
terrell
January 31st, 2011
8:06 am
Could you imagine if we woulda let Joe walk, and inserted Jamal as the new starting 2 guard? A lot of bloggers actually wanted that to happen. Hilarious. I like Jamal and all(sometimes), but he’s not your average Joe.
terrell
January 31st, 2011
8:10 am
Hell, at least Collins knows how to set a screen WITHOUT MOVING, and can actually catch a pass without fumbling it out of bounds. Please! Zaza = the BIG stiff.
hawks_4_life
January 31st, 2011
8:12 am
Terrell
I agree, I think we should trade him for a big man that can contribute. Right now until the trade deadline is when his value to the team is highest. No way we resign him in the offseason anyway. Wilkens would be suitable replacement, better defense even though we would lose offensive production.
terrell
January 31st, 2011
8:13 am
Toronto we should beat, but the Clippers are playing better, the Wizards are playing better, and the Sixers are playing better. We might get caught slipping.
Trojan
January 31st, 2011
8:23 am
We are being out coached in every game lately. And other coaches are making it look easy.
Is Rick Sund comatose?
terrell
January 31st, 2011
8:26 am
Reasonable ASG trade:
Jamal, Zaza, and a 1st for TJ Ford, Duntay Jones, Jeff Foster
They get another scorer to help out Granger, a backup to Hibbert, and a 1st rd pick.
We get a scoring pg, a defensive specialist, and a productive big.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 31st, 2011
8:46 am
terrell (don’t call me Te-Relle)
Silly trades reall irks, but I must admit that one there makes a lot of sense and seems very doable. Wish you could get Sund to answer the phone and listen.
We have to try and do something. We shall see?
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Have a nice day fellas, I gotta’ go pay some bills.
slimjr
January 31st, 2011
8:56 am
Is Rick Sund comatose?
That is an interesting question?????
Have a great day drmaryb (*_*)
slimjr
January 31st, 2011
9:03 am
Sund is heading into the playoffs as 5 or 6 seed with a peashooter and will shoot nothing but blanks……LOL…
Ramon
January 31st, 2011
9:07 am
Here is a question. The Lakers seem as if they are going to make a under the radar deal before the season is over. Would anyone be for attempting to trade Marvin and Etan (or Powell) for Artest? A front line of Artest, Josh, and Al sounds pretty solid defensively right?
slimjr
January 31st, 2011
9:09 am
@ Ramon
2headcases(Artest and Josh)?? Dont think so………
Ramon
January 31st, 2011
9:16 am
Slim, Josh is far from a head case. And also, look how many head cases are in the Celtics locker room. Look how many head cases used to be in the Knicks locker room in the 90s (and the Heat).
slimjr
January 31st, 2011
9:39 am
Okay, but at least the Knicks competed for 2 championships in the mid 90’s. These Hawks never will as presently configured even adding Artest to the mix wont get them to the promise land…
Scottie, jettison the core..Make it so………………….Start Jeff Teague yesterday…………………
darrell starks
January 31st, 2011
9:52 am
Why do LD continue not 2 starte collins and finish playing in the late 4th quarter is ludacris to me, bibby an jamal in the back court at the same time late in the game is so retarted that LD is hurting the team with his way of thinking.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
JoJo the Godfather
January 31st, 2011
9:53 am
terrell…i’m not sure about that indy trade…foster & ford are free agents, so we’re giving up two valuable assets (jamal’s expiring & a 1st round pick) for the only long-term asset of dahntay jones…i’d probably pass on that one.
darrell starks
January 31st, 2011
9:55 am
JAMAL, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, COLLINS, SHOULD END THE GAME EVERY NIGHT.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
January 31st, 2011
9:58 am
DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
SLAM ONLINE | » Josh Smith’s ‘Obscene Gesture’ Costs Him $25,000
January 31st, 2011
10:01 am
[...] pocket is a little lighter following what the League deemed an “obscene gesture” made on Friday night. From the AJC: “The NBA [Sunday] fined Hawks forward Josh Smith $25,000 [...]
hawks_4_life
January 31st, 2011
10:09 am
Darrell Starks
You say defense but still mention Jamal, dude couldnt guard his own shadow. Granted he can shoot lights out but if he is off then what. Atleast Bibby tries to no avail and if he is off wont shoot long jumpers killing momentum.
JoJo the Godfather
January 31st, 2011
10:28 am
Blockbuster of the day between Hawks & Pistons…Hawks send Bibby, Marvin, Pachulia, Jamal & Mo Evans to Detroit for Rip, Prince, Wallace & Bynum.
Hawks gain major flexibility…They can end games with Rip, Joe, Prince, Josh & Al…Rip still defends smaller guards very well, and Joe & Prince can bring the ball up the floor…Insert Teague or Bynum for Rip or Prince to play faster…Insert Wallace or Collins for Prince to play bigger…Wilkins as a wing defender off the bench…Jo Craw for instant offense off the bench.
SteveW
January 31st, 2011
10:38 am
JoJo – That trade may work, but I don’t see Sund blowing up this team just yet. Josh not a head case? Depends on the definition.
SteveW
January 31st, 2011
10:41 am
I would not be surprised to see some kind of trade with Sacremento however. Sund is a vulture, and if the right deal came along, I could see him biting.
ZaZa’s value – Against the Celts you have Shaq 320, Kendrick 285, Big Baby 285, and even Jermaine O’Neal at 265. Our only guy over 260 is ZaZa @ 275. Then Etan 260 and Collins 255. Gotta keep ZaZa as frustrating as he is many times.
SteveW
January 31st, 2011
10:43 am
Kings are dangling Udrih, Dalembart, and Thompson out there to see if there are any takers. They only want cheap youth or expiring contracts in return. I don’t know if I would want Udrih or not. Thompson yes. Dalembert at 13m? Not so much.
Section 303
January 31st, 2011
11:10 am
SteveW, if Dalembart was not making $13-million, I would love to have him.
Was reported/rumored that Kings offered Thompson for Teague this summer. Hawks, obviously, passed. Wonder if they would pass again if that deal were on the table now.
Teague did play well on Saturday. I guess that makes me wrong to say there is no hope at all with Teague. He just has to do the hard part now and build upon his good outting against the Mavs. I go from 0% hope with Teague, 9% hope on Teague being a player in the league.
O'Brien
January 31st, 2011
11:17 am
I think Twin should get more of ZaZa’s PT. This was how the fourth quarter started against the Mavs;
Zaza Pachulia was called for a three-second violation . Two possessions later, guard Jamal Crawford lost the ball trying to split a double team. Pachulia missed from seven feet. Pachulia got his shot blocked.
The only thing missing was an illegal screen. So ZaZa was involved (negatively) on 3 of the Hawks first 6 possessions in the fourth.
For every one positive play we get from ZaZa, he gives us 3 negative plays, which puts in the whole.
Collins might not give us any positive plays, but he wont give us any negative plays either, so we at least break even with him in the game (imo). And he uses his size well. I dont know what ZaZa does…
sgt rock
January 31st, 2011
11:18 am
What was the problem? Its not like he threw up a bird or gang sign. He just did the (Pedro Cerrano from Major League) I got Big “marbles” dance folks have been doing for years. Eddie House did it last night vs OKC after hitting a big 3 and I didn’t hear abt a fine for him…….oh yeah……..I forgot, he plays wit Lebron so its cool for him to do.
J.R. Rider
January 31st, 2011
11:22 am
I am in shape and have changed my ways.
JeJe
January 31st, 2011
11:44 am
FIRE RICK SUND.
Dept. Of Blunt Realism
January 31st, 2011
12:02 pm
If I were one of the long time, informative bloggers on this forum, I’d have to get drmaryb’s phone number, because I know that b!tch would suck your d!cks with the amount of cheerleading she does.
hawks_4_life
January 31st, 2011
12:31 pm
WOW!!!!
kwooden
January 31st, 2011
12:59 pm
Papa Report:
22 pts
2 reb
10-15 from free-throw line.
He’s looking a lot better over his last few games as a starter, really attacking the basket.
Worldwide Clyde
January 31st, 2011
1:22 pm
When Bibby and Zaza mess up I don’t see Drew calling them out in the AJC.
Worldwide Clyde
January 31st, 2011
1:22 pm
FIRE SUND
FIRE THE AJC FOR TRYING TO BAN MY IP ADDRESS
Rod from College Park
January 31st, 2011
1:43 pm
Worldwide Clyde,
Mine too. I think they got Jeje also. I guess if you talk negative about the team, or a player or coach enough they try to ban you.
Gwinnett Fred
January 31st, 2011
1:52 pm
Nothing more than a traffic ticket to Josh.
Further proven that comparing the fine using his salary with that of someone making $50,000 a year, Josh paying $25,000 is the equivalent of the $50k worker paying $107.
I doubt many folks getting a $107 speeding ticket slow down much as a result of paying the ticket.
As for this great athlete that refuses to grow up emotionally, I seriously doubt he will change his ways either!
drmaryb (*_*)
January 31st, 2011
1:53 pm
No one should ever be banned for having an honest opinion!
Hopefully, that is not the case, we are NOT bobble-heads.
Seems like the tight azz owners are punishing fans for booing the team last seson. Is this EGYPT or the Free World?
Come on ASKillerG! Who are gonna’ argue and battle with around here now?
This is our blog and we can dance if we want to. Just sell the franchise already!
As long as were not abusive and threatening each other ar abusing MC like the trolle was doing last summer. I love a good ole’ fist fight – we all got passion and love for the team!
drmaryb (*_*)
January 31st, 2011
2:01 pm
As If You Could?
“If I were one of the long time, informative bloggers on this forum, I’d have to get drmaryb’s phone number, because I know that b!tch would suck your d!cks with the amount of cheerleading she does”
______________________________
LOL! Now why would any one want to block this TOOL? He really brings a lot of insight to the topic of Hawks Basketball. While the world is riddled with so much negativity? Why not choose unbridled optimism? I symbolize and epitomize positive thinking and actions – it has been the only key to my professional and personal success. If you don’t love me, then you just don’t love – Love.
Back to work now, later fellas!
Ramon
January 31st, 2011
2:12 pm
For those who are calling Josh immature for the gesture that he did (though in country clubs all around the States, you’ll find much worse done on the golf course), explain why when he did it, the fans in the stadium went crazy? And explain what’s the difference in him doing that and the WWE making MILLIONS off of Degeneration X for over 3 years. On the gridiron and in the dugout, this is a routine gesture that is constantly done. The only difference is you don’t have Sportsouth replaying it with it zoomed in.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 31st, 2011
2:31 pm
“ZaZa’s value – Against the Celts you have Shaq 320, Kendrick 285, Big Baby 285, and even Jermaine O’Neal at 265. Our only guy over 260 is ZaZa @ 275. Then Etan 260 and Collins 255. Gotta keep ZaZa as frustrating as he is many times.”
Collins did a better job against Dwight Howard this year than any other Hawk has ever done. Weight isn’t nearly as important as balance and lower body strength. Zaza is so damn goofy and unbalanced that he is incapable of establishing position even against smaller people. I’d rather have the supposedly lighter Collins guarding those people (note that NBA weights are never necessarily all that accurate) than the supposedly heavier Zaza.
JeJe
January 31st, 2011
2:31 pm
LOL @ Clyde and Rod from CP – my boys!!!!
LOL I CANNOT post from my apartment – everywhere else though, I can.
It’s okay though because usually at least one person says what I have to say, whether it’s that Bibby sucks, Marvin has no heart (except for that fight the other day), or that LD shows no emotion and has horrendous rotations, or that Sund is a garbage GM.
FIRE SUND
JeJe
January 31st, 2011
2:33 pm
Rajon Rondo had 15 assists in THE 2nd HALF VS THE DEFENDING NBA CHAMPIONS ON THE ROAD
Mike Bibby has 15 assists in his last 8 games.
Freshfromatl
January 31st, 2011
3:05 pm
Clyde, Rod From CP, JeJe:
Are y’all dudes serious lmao? They really trying to ban y’all?
STRETCH
January 31st, 2011
3:13 pm
ESPN power rankins has the Hawks ranked 14th behind the Blazers, Grizzles and Suns. Wow, no respect. And they really dont deserve it till they play better.
Rod from College Park
January 31st, 2011
3:17 pm
JeJe,
If we believe MC, maybe it has something to do with the browser. I saw Sautee mention he was having problems with Firefox on this blog. I use Firefox also. Won’t let me post from a home location also.
terrell
January 31st, 2011
3:28 pm
Jojo, Ford and Foster are expiring, just like Jamal.
terrell
January 31st, 2011
3:30 pm
And Jojo, since when has a 1st rd pick been valuable to us? Trading it is valuable, but not keeping it. Maybe thats what your’re talking bout.
Nate ArchiBALL
January 31st, 2011
4:25 pm
Rod, Which version of Firefox are you using? The latest is 3.6.13.
Rod from College Park
January 31st, 2011
4:33 pm
I’ll check when I get home.
JoJo the Godfather
January 31st, 2011
4:38 pm
terrell…that’s exactly what i meant…if we’re trading a 1st round pick, i want more in return than the right to pay dahntay jones $2.5M a year for the next 3 years (or whatever his contract is)…same with trading away our 4th best player (jamal)…i want more in return than 3 months of ford & foster, and someone taking zaza off our hands.
Bryson
January 31st, 2011
4:44 pm
Is Josh Smith 12 years old ? What an idiot.
tyger
January 31st, 2011
4:50 pm
Hawks exposed…
Last week, the Hawks’ inability to defend the PG position was exposed. This weekend, Dallas exposed the interior defense down the stretch. Surely, the Hawks will win 50% of their games and wind up a little over .500, around 43-44 wins.
They’ll make the playoffs as a 4th/5th/6th seed and might even get outta the first round. But that’s it, that’s the most you can hope for outta this bunch. It ain’t happening without some tweaking. In fact, the Hawks are trending down, not up, as predicted.
Both, Jamal Crawford and Joe Johnson have masked their weaknesses with Herculean scoring efforts, but down the stretch, especially against good teams, you have to defend and rebound and the Hawks simply cannot.
It’s the 2nd half of the season and it is, what it is, Tree Rollins nor Mookie Blaylock is running outta that tunnel. It’s time to get on the phone and start the horse trading.
We need a cheap, quick PG that can handle the rock and stay in front of his man. Why Teague cant do that? Don’t know, don’t care, all I know is he hasn’t and he won’t.
Even AC Law impressed me last night as the Warriors knocked off the Jazz. I think he knows who he is now, but he was handling and pushing the rock and hustling and picking up his man 3/4 court. He understands how to be a nuisance to the opponent and I wished he were back in a Hawks uniform. That’s all we need in the backcourt. Jamal and Joe will score.
I dont know what ZaZa’s deal is but he’s gotten progressively worse over the last two years. Not starting stunted his growth more than anyone probably expected but he is not the same player. Either he gets a few ceremonial starts to get him going again or move him for someone who can hit a layup, block a shot or take a charge.
But that’s just a paying fans point of view. I hope every year to get outta the second round, but I know the reality is that you probably are going to have to go over the luxury cap to get the pieces to compete and with an ownership unwilling or unable; its just mental masturbation.
slimjr
January 31st, 2011
5:36 pm
“Zaza Pachulia was called for a three-second violation . Two possessions later, guard Jamal Crawford lost the ball trying to split a double team. Pachulia missed from seven feet. Pachulia got his shot blocked.”
Bless his heart, ZaZa is trying so hard out there people!!!!
@drmary you are some package..LOL
slimjr
January 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
“NEWSFLASH” DWILL is at odds with his coach and Utah organization..Sund start inquiring about this potential block buster deal.. His contract is up next year..He would look great in a Hawks uniform. Would instantly become the best PG ever in Hawks land…..And take you to an ECF? Maybe??
Get to it Sund……Don’t procrastinate..You already know how the story is going to end this year if you keep the CORE…………………..
slimjr
January 31st, 2011
5:47 pm
! MOOKIE! MOOKIE! MOOKIE!
Start Teague yesterday..Bibby is runnin on fumes…………………………….
Sautee
January 31st, 2011
6:01 pm
slimjr,
In you r zeal to see the Hawks improve, you keep forgetting what I’ve told you now three times:
Mike Gearon, Jr. LOVES our core. If Mikey doesn’t specifically order Sund to make a trade, then it “ain’t happenin”.
Wishful thinking, and pipe dreams won’t do sh!t except get you disappointed.
Sorry, man but our only hope is an ownership change or a protracted losing streak.
slimjr
January 31st, 2011
6:09 pm
“Mike Gearon, Jr. LOVES our core”
Sound like this guy needs hypnotism……LOL Sautee
MitchC
January 31st, 2011
9:59 pm
Michael, I don’t often.. or ever. post on your blog, but I have posted on Hawks blogs in the past, and I’m a regular poster on the Braves blogs of the AJC.
I don’t live in the Atlanta area, and I didn’t see Smith’s gesture, but.. from the feedback I’ve been getting.. I think the league fined him because what he did set a bad example for young fans at the game, and on TV. It was lewd, rude, and uncalled for.
While it may not be as bad.. as say.. giving an opponent.. or the crowd, the famous one finger salute, it still isn’t right.
I actually agree with the fine. There was no cause for Smith to be doing that.
HWJ
February 1st, 2011
12:28 am
All he was doing was the big balls dance…
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February 2nd, 2011
4:40 pm
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