Mavs-Hawks game thread
Greetings, all-
Hope you’re well. This is going to be brief, as I gotta crank out some notes before game time. Some notes…
1) Hawks going with regular lineup, with Mo Evans in for Marvin Williams, serving a two-game suspension.
2) Larry Drew said the key defensively is slowing down Dallas’ transition game, saying the team has to “build a wall” to prevent the Mavericks, specifically Jason Kidd, from attacking the rim on the break. Al Horford mentioned defending the pick-and-roll.
3) Drew said that Williams was in a great state of mind this morning. He’s watching the game at the team hotel.
4) Horford had some words in response to Amare Stoudemire’s post-game caution to Horford to calm down after he got the crowd going as Stoudemire shot free throws, that “he’s not that type of player.” Basically, he said that he’ll do whatever it takes to win, so, yes, he is that type of player.
5) I asked Drew about Marvin pushing him during the fracas. Drew: “I’ve been in the weight room. I didn’t feel anything.”
6) On the Mavs’ bench assisting Rick Carlisle: Terry Stotts.
7) I asked Mark Cuban a few questions about Hawks ownership. Interesting, but not headline-grabbing. I’ll post afterwards.
I probably won’t be able to comment much, given the late start, but will try to jump on occasionally. Enjoy the game.
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O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
8:01 pm
I lok for the Mavs PGs to have big numbers against Bibby. Will Teague see the court?
LD needs to keep an eye on Jamal.
That being said, I think Hawks hang around, with a chance to win in the fourth.
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January 29th, 2011
8:16 pm
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SteveW
January 29th, 2011
8:17 pm
Some guy on ESPN just said Carlos Boozer should be in the All Star game over JJ, even though JJ has missed 9 games compared to Boozers 18. He said he didn’t care if Boozer doesn’t make it, JJ still shouldnt’ get in, but Felton should over JJ.
But he did say that that Al should be in, and even if Noah was healthy, he thinks Al may have made the team.
I think Al and JJ should make the team. He has 4 Celtics including Ray Allen on the squad. I think 3 Heat, 3 Celts, and then 2 Hawks.
He did have Josh as a runner up also.
O’Brien – Yea – Bibby’s PER is worse than last year, his assists are down. I dread seeing what he looks like around March 18th, if he makes it that long. Wish LD wasn’t such a hater of developing, young players.
Wonder if Marvin is in trouble, not for pushing LD, but for ripping his jersey off like Powell. LD may have some problems on this squad between Powell, Marvin, and Teague, IDK.
cp
January 29th, 2011
8:18 pm
I was just watching NBA TV and Cheryl Miller asked Jerome (hawks sideline reporter) why Teague isn’t where the staff wants him and replied lack of hard work from Teague. He also said Teague isn’t showing anything to the staff in practice. Jerome also stated he doubts the Hawks make a move because they don’t have the flexibility nor want to spend the money so the Damien move might be the only thing they do… I’m very disappointed with Teague. I guess dude just does not want it. I guess thats what Jamal was hinting at the other day when he said Teague has to show something in practice or when he has a chance
hawks_4_life
January 29th, 2011
8:20 pm
SteveW,
I wish Teague wasnt such a laid back kind of guy.
SteveW
January 29th, 2011
8:27 pm
And after tonight, does anybody else see 5 consecutive very winnable games? Toronto and the Clips at home, @ Washington, then Philly and the Bobcats at home. I think we can win, and should win all 5. 4 of 5 of the games are at home.
SteveW
January 29th, 2011
8:31 pm
I hear you guys about Teague. But somehow I think if Teague and Jordan were on the Spurs we would be saying, “Why can’t we ever draft guys like this?” Popovich would develop them.
And Teague is a worker, unless he’s having issues we don’t know about. And Jordan is playing way less than Teague was last year. LD just doesn’t like to develop young players that aren’t extremely good. He’s more comfortable with vets. It’s the Larry Brown way.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
8:37 pm
Get the ball in the post and make Dirk work on D, and this will be a winnable game. Stay shooting perimeter jumpers, and this will be a blowout.
Terry Stotts is a douchebag.
cp
January 29th, 2011
8:37 pm
SteveW I understand you have high hopes for Teague but it was just reported by a guy how is around the Hawks everyday that Teague isn’t where he needs to be because of lack of hard work…..He also said the staff is frustrated with Teague because he doesn’t use his speed when he comes into games. He also said Teague isn’t showing anything to the staff in practice. Its time to put the blame on the player instead of the coaches.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
8:38 pm
“And after tonight, does anybody else see 5 consecutive very winnable games? Toronto”
I’m worried about the Toronto game. Hawks are 4-7 with 2 or more days of rest, and they will be chillin’ for a while after this one.
jmarable
January 29th, 2011
8:38 pm
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Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
8:39 pm
Marc J. Spears’ column on Yahoo Sports today mentioned a source that said the Hawks are not planning to trade Jamal this year.
jmarable
January 29th, 2011
8:44 pm
let’s see how many times bibby tries to break down the defense and drive. = 0. How many times his man takes him to the hole = ALNIGHT. Watch bibby the point guard bring the ball up, give it up right away and run to a corner and wait and wait 4 a three. WE NEED A PLAYMAKER POINT WHO CAN BREAK DOWN D AND PLAY SOME D.THAT’S ALL. BIBBY DOES NONE OF THE ABOVE. hawks will b broke down tonite because we settle 4 3’s and jumpers,and can’t get a stop when we have 2. to many jumpers no point guard.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
8:44 pm
Mavs are going at Bibby early…
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
8:45 pm
So much for Josh establishing himself inside first…
While Kidd gets by Bibby
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slimjr
January 29th, 2011
8:46 pm
No Josh no……Just brick a 3???? Stop it.. Attack the rim…
Nique's Revenge
January 29th, 2011
8:47 pm
it’s official, drew sucks.
why oh why let josh keep standing behind the 3 point line to jack up a brick the instant he touches it
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
8:47 pm
Mavs are trying to post Bibby. I actually think that works to Bibby’s advantage.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
8:47 pm
Its hard to expect our bigs to consistently give the ball up to our PG, when they want to run, but they usually beat him downcourt.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
8:48 pm
In other words, I’d rather see Bibby getting posted up by someone than having to guard someone on the perimeter.
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
8:48 pm
horford has not attempted a shot yet
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
8:48 pm
bibby is useless
cp
January 29th, 2011
8:48 pm
smh Bibby cant even stay in front of Stevenson. We need a pg asap
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
8:49 pm
And what is Bibby complaining about?
LD better hope Jamal is on, because if Bibby has 2 fouls, and Jamal is struggling with his shot, then the Hawks will be in trouble…
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
8:50 pm
Nice drive by Smoove, showing some surprisingly good handles.
Nique's Revenge
January 29th, 2011
8:50 pm
wow they never call palming or carrying anymore
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
8:51 pm
It may be a long night for Bibby. Hawks are having trouble hiding him on defense…
slimjr
January 29th, 2011
8:51 pm
Josh will u please let the guards run the break??? Dirk just knocked away his dribble(turnover) your not
Magic Johnson………………………….sigh….
cp
January 29th, 2011
8:53 pm
Listening to Jerome on NBA TV, he said he doubts the Hawks will make a trade by the deadline so we might be stuck with what we have. The Hawks will do nothing in the playoffs with Bibby at the point. His defense is looking worse than usual
Sautee
January 29th, 2011
8:53 pm
O’B,
Unfortunately ANYBODY Bibby guards gets by him. Dallas is doing what I’m surprised more teams don’t: Targeting Bibby every time until he’s out of the game.
Robbie
January 29th, 2011
8:53 pm
The Hawks are playing streaky again. They are using a risky approach on both ends and I don’t like it. Even though the game is close, i don’t like it. Can we please run something for Al? He doesn’t have a single shot attempt yet. That shouldn’t happen.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
8:54 pm
Hawks need to start denying Dirk the ball. He’s a little too comfortable getting the ball where he wants it right now.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
8:55 pm
Joe has been really good so far. I really don’t understand why they don’t post him up more.
Nique's Revenge
January 29th, 2011
8:55 pm
did jj bring his $250,000 lunch pail tonight? let’s watch.
slimjr
January 29th, 2011
8:56 pm
“Listening to Jerome on NBA TV, he said he doubts the Hawks will make a trade by the deadline so we might be stuck with what we have. The Hawks will do nothing in the playoffs with Bibby at the point. His defense is looking worse than usual”
I kind of figured that since he came on local radio and said he like his “core” players…Just sad…..This team is not built to go deep in the playoffs unfortunately….
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
8:57 pm
Hawks have guarded the rim really well in this quarter.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
8:57 pm
Joe is balling…
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
8:57 pm
And just as I say that, the Mavs get an alley oop.
slimjr
January 29th, 2011
8:58 pm
ISO JOE ISO JOE!! Get em JOE!!!!
cp
January 29th, 2011
8:58 pm
Joe is on fire…. The Mavs guards are beating guys off the dribble at will smh
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
8:59 pm
As far as I can see, the Hawks’ offense hasn’t gotten any worse without Bibby on the floor.
Seriously, he doesn’t do anything for this team other than hitting open 3’s. Anyone can get the ball to Joe or Smoove on the block and get out of the way, and that’s when the Hawks’ team offense is at its best anyway.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
8:59 pm
I don’t like to see Mo trying to guard smaller, quick guards. He doesn’t have enough lateral speed to keep up with them…
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:00 pm
“ISO JOE ISO JOE!! Get em JOE!!!!”
This is not Iso-Joe. The Hawks are moving the ball and getting it to Joe in the post and coming off screens. Nobody is against the idea of Joe scoring, but common sense says that if you don’t make him work as hard for those shots, he will convert more of them. Hawks are running the offense really well right now.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
9:00 pm
Sautee, Najeh,
The Mavericks did to Bibby what the Hawks should be doing.
When you have a mismatch, you should go to it every single time down until the other team adjusts.
JJ has been on, we should go to him everytime down, and let him make a play
Jae Evolution
January 29th, 2011
9:01 pm
Looks like this team finally is relaxing off the three ball, at this point in previous games we’d have at least 5 3pt attempts already. I’m glad we decided to post Joe up more he has either got an easy floated or found his teammates for the easy two, keep this up until they change their D!
slimjr
January 29th, 2011
9:01 pm
10-4 on Joe…
slimjr
January 29th, 2011
9:02 pm
Joe on fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
9:03 pm
Why arent we going to Horford. He has Marion guarding him…
drmaryb (*_*)
January 29th, 2011
9:03 pm
Fire and Desire!
SteveW, you can’t develop exposed film. How would YOU develop a man’s heart? Heart is a gift, not a skill!
___________________________
“Terry Stotts is a douchebag.”
You ain’t never lied. Ironic he and Jet Terry are together again, do you remember when Stotts said, “I wasn’t impressed with Jason’s game tonight.”. And, Jason retorted, “I wasn’t impressed with his coaching either.”
The following year, The Hawks hire: Lon Kreuger! OMG! Those are the years we would all like to remember to forget! Stotts won 4 irrelevant games that cost us the extra ping-pong ball, that would have landed Dwight Howard here! I think we won 22? Games that miserable year!
___________________________
Yeah, Stotts is a douche bag!
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:04 pm
Smoove staying in the game with 2 fouls.
slimjr
January 29th, 2011
9:05 pm
We win if Mo keeps hitting his shots!!!!!!
slimjr
January 29th, 2011
9:06 pm
take Josh out…..2 fouls..
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
9:06 pm
Comeon LD, play Teague…
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
9:07 pm
So no 2 foul rule for Josh? Interesting…
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:07 pm
Good offensive quarter with good ball movement and execution. Defense fell apart a little towards the end though. The 2nd foul on Smoove hurts — you could tell he didn’t contest Pavlovic’s layup like he normally would because he didn’t want to pick up #3.
Keep getting Joe the ball on the block and coming off screens and don’t revert to isolation, and they should be able to at least keep up going into the half.
Sautee
January 29th, 2011
9:08 pm
O’Brien,
co-sign
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:09 pm
Mo, you have to get up on 3 point shooters in transition dumbass…
slimjr
January 29th, 2011
9:09 pm
Bibby we need some offense from you tonight, this is a playoff type game.u gotta step up my man….
Blast
January 29th, 2011
9:10 pm
The only scorers Hawks have on the floor are Jamal and Al.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:12 pm
Zaza should not be the guy getting the ball in the post when Horford is on the floor.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:12 pm
2nd unit’s perimeter defense has been less than impressive.
cp
January 29th, 2011
9:13 pm
The Mavs are getting as many open shots as they want out there
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
9:13 pm
I wonder how many points in the paint the Mavericks will have tonight
Joseph
January 29th, 2011
9:14 pm
Even Zaza has more field goal attempts than Al so far in this game. When the Hawks under-utilize Horford, they are basically asking to lose. I hope they realize that before it’s too late in this game.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
9:15 pm
ZaZa, Bibby and Jamal inability to play defense is killing the Hawks tonight.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:16 pm
Al needs to make his move more quickly when he gets the ball. He can take most of these Mavericks defenders off the dribble. No need to stand around thinking about it.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:16 pm
Awful shot by Jamal.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
9:17 pm
Who would you rather have? Barea, Or Bibby?
Ken Sugiura
January 29th, 2011
9:18 pm
al’s second shot of the game
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:19 pm
Nice shot by Horford over Dirk, but I’d like to see him drive it on him. The Hawks haven’t made Dirk work defensively at all. They need to attack him.
Worldwide Clyde
January 29th, 2011
9:19 pm
Terry Stotts did a good job with the personnel he had. I would rather watch Sura, Terry, and Stephen Jackson than Bibby, Joe, and Jsmooth.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
9:19 pm
Can we trade ZaZa for Haywood?
cp
January 29th, 2011
9:19 pm
Its almost painful watching Bibby trying to defend anybody.
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
9:19 pm
the guard situation is becoming frustrating..
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
9:19 pm
bench jamal and put in teague
Ken Sugiura
January 29th, 2011
9:20 pm
third foul for bibby. teague!
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:20 pm
3 fouls on Bibby and Jamal is single-handedly trying to shoot the Hawks out of this game. Will we see Teague?
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
9:20 pm
Jamal iso’s Dirk and shoots it off the side of the backboard.. Bibby pushes his guard into the shooter.. smh.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
9:20 pm
Yeah, Jeff Teague is coming into the game. Let’s go Jeff…
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:21 pm
Teague for 3?
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
9:21 pm
Teague for 3… Take that LD…
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
9:22 pm
Collins dunk….Oh my..
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
9:22 pm
Jason w/ some spring..
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:22 pm
Way too much perimeter right now. They scored on the last two possessions despite Horford not touching the ball. That’s not sustainable. Horford needs to start getting the ball in a position to drive it.
RethinkPossible
January 29th, 2011
9:23 pm
I wish Twin always went to the rim like that!
cp
January 29th, 2011
9:23 pm
This is Teagues chance to finally show something. Good 3 he just hit. He has to make the most of this opportunity. Very disappointed to hear earlier that he isn’t working hard. Time to show the staff he can get it done
Ken Sugiura
January 29th, 2011
9:23 pm
funny – promo during timeout references the “big game in town next week.” i’m guessing if they say “Super Bowl,” NFL lawyers come rapelling from the ceiling with a cease-and-desist order.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
9:24 pm
I tired of seeing that little midget Barea ducking his shoulder into our guys midsection. Would someone (on the Hawks) please bust him on his azz. Make him think twice about coming into the paint again.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 29th, 2011
9:26 pm
All Teague is gonna do is pass it to the wing behind the 3 pt line, he thinks he is Bibby. Walking the ball up is NOT a change of pace from the PG position.
Where is the impact?
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
9:26 pm
instead of kicking to Joe .. would’ve like to see Teague take the ball to the cup he had is man in the air
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
9:27 pm
How was that not a foul on Teague? That’s the same junk Barea is doing and getting the calls on..
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:28 pm
Nice play by Teague! Good on the ball defense, good steal, and good pass in transition. Let’s see more of that.
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
9:28 pm
he might not guard off the dribble the best.. but Teague does a good job against that dreaded pick and roll..
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
9:29 pm
LEAVE HIM IN..
terrell
January 29th, 2011
9:29 pm
Teague looking good. Keep Bibby on the bench. Let the youngan play thru his mistakes LD.
Ken Sugiura
January 29th, 2011
9:29 pm
hawks shooting 60 percent.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
9:29 pm
Hawks are fighting. It’s amazing how much better the defense looks when you stop the dribble penetration (Teague guarding Barea)…
cp
January 29th, 2011
9:29 pm
This is what we need to see from Teague. Dude has to keep this up
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:29 pm
That’s two transition opportunities in which Teague has been involved — one with a steal and a dime, the other one with the finish. Good to see him making an impact. And Horford is doing a better job on Dirk than Smoove did in the first quarter, trying to deny the entry pass to him.
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
9:29 pm
JT0 ballin…
Blast
January 29th, 2011
9:30 pm
If Hawks can keep it close, then they have a chance to steal this game.
Teague playing with more fire, Joe is smoking as usual in January.
Freshfromatl
January 29th, 2011
9:30 pm
This is the best Teague has looked the entire season.
Aaron
January 29th, 2011
9:30 pm
This has been an incredibly disappointing game to watch. I know the Hawks have the lead right now, but I don’t like the way they are playing. It’s too much 1 vs. 1 basketball, and once the Mavs make an adjustment, I feel like we might run into a lot of trouble. We need to do a better job of moving the ball.
Jae Evolution
January 29th, 2011
9:30 pm
Someone should tell Teague to push the ball EVERY time he gets it, run into the defender who cares man you got to get going once that rock is in your hands, just like the last play EASY layup.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 29th, 2011
9:31 pm
Teague, is playing great! Maybe, Bibby is tired and got those fouls on purpose, to give Teague a look? Arenas faked a knee injury to get PT for his boy in Washington, maybe Bibby is doing the same?
I guess, Teague should get more PT. Some players play better in games than practice.
RethinkPossible
January 29th, 2011
9:31 pm
Teauge’s biggest impact is on defense (still does not do much on the half-court offense yet), for reasons covered by Melvin.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
9:31 pm
7 minutes, 0 points, 3 fouls for Bibby
4 minutes, 5 points for Teague.
Teague needs to keep it up, because if he plays like this consistently, it will be hard for LD to not give him more PT
Freshfromatl
January 29th, 2011
9:31 pm
For the Hawks to win. Smoove will have to play under control when he get back into the game!
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:32 pm
+10 in 4 minutes for Teague.
jmarable
January 29th, 2011
9:32 pm
man ld should give jeff T.more of bibbys minutes, its crazy not to.he cant shoot as good, but he can shoot better than bibby can get to the basket, and better than bibby plays d. How else he ’s gonna get better without playing. bibby hurts the hawks so much. dont see how ld and the staff dont c it, its crazy. jeff plays some real good d my goodness what are they waiting on, time 4 a change of the guards at point.
Jae Evolution
January 29th, 2011
9:33 pm
“Teague, is playing great! Maybe, Bibby is tired and got those fouls on purpose, to give Teague a look? Arenas faked a knee injury to get PT for his boy in Washington, maybe Bibby is doing the same?
I guess, Teague should get more PT. Some players play better in games than practice.”
Wasn’t that a preseason game, besides two of Bibby’s fouls put them at the free throw line one of them was the three pointer by Terry, I think Mike is smart enough not to jeopardize the game because he wants to give Teague some PT.
hawks_4_life
January 29th, 2011
9:34 pm
Hawks looking better defensively
eman
January 29th, 2011
9:34 pm
what channel is the game on direct tv?
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:34 pm
Collins needs to make the extra pass. Horford is still not getting the ball on offense. If Dallas stops the Hawks’ transition opportunities and forces them to beat them in the half court, there’s no excuse for not getting the ball more to Horford.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:35 pm
Dumb foul by Jamal. Aside from a couple of his patented off balance shots that he has made, he has not played a very good game. A lot of bricks out of the flow of the offense, lackluster pick and roll defense, and now this dumb foul to give the Mavs a chance to take the lead.
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
9:36 pm
i dont know.. he still isnt aggressive enough for me.. especially given his skill set. he rather someone else miss vs. making a confident aggressive move ..
hawks_4_life
January 29th, 2011
9:36 pm
Im all for Teague earning his minutes by showing he wants it, however Ive need been high on Crawford, case and point. Of course the guy can shoot lights out but when he is off, he shows nothing else, no defense and he keeps chucking up ducks
Sautee
January 29th, 2011
9:37 pm
Jamal is giving it away. 5 point trip.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:38 pm
That clear path foul really shifted the momentum at the end of the half. Good contributions from Collins and Teague, not so much from Jamal. Mavs’ zone forced the Hawks out of their offense a little bit and made them go perimeter a little too much.
Still, though, down by only 3 at halftime is a pretty good spot to be in.
cp
January 29th, 2011
9:39 pm
Its on channel 649….
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:41 pm
If I were LD I would strongly consider coming out with the big lineup in the 3rd quarter. Collins was playing pretty well, Mo didn’t have any impact whatsoever, and Horford was playing better defense against Dirk than Smoove. Let Horford continue to D up Dirk and let Smoove get in the passing lanes and create transition opportunities.
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
9:41 pm
Jordan will learn if he gets minutes on the floor.
Again, I know Jordan’s no 3. And Damien gets minutes mainly due to Marvin’s inability to stay in action. But, when a guy on 10-day contracts can find minutes, it’s hard to figure out why a talented rookie can’t.
Jordan could be a solid threat off the bench for this team. And it’d also make sense to sprinkle in some minutes for this kid when Jamal isn’t having the best of games – like tonight for instance. Jamal has had some good looks from beyond the arc, he hasn’t hit them. Give Jordan those same looks, I think he’s capable of knockin a few of them down.
No question Jamal > Jordan right now. But, Jordan can score. Don’t think you can knock on Jordan’s defense, because I don’t think there’s a gaurd on this team (aside from JJ and Teague) who can stay in front of his guy.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 29th, 2011
9:44 pm
Jae Evolution, yeah, I see your point. Just glad to finally see Teague play, because the Fans are upset about that. I guess he pulled the nail outa’ the bench.
Eman: Direct TV CH 649. SPSO
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
9:45 pm
Najeh,
At the very least, LD should not start Bibby in the second half. I think Teague should get the start…
terrell
January 29th, 2011
9:46 pm
Only 1 three pointer madse out of 10. Guess who made it LD?
cp
January 29th, 2011
9:46 pm
I would let Teague start the 3rd. Bibby isn’t doing anything out there but getting beat off the dribble. Jamal is looking like he did last night, jacking up a bunch of jumpers and not playing defense. The Knicks got back in the game when Jamal decided to go hot sauce out there. LD has to start pulling Jamal when he is cold because he does nothing else.
Jae Evolution
January 29th, 2011
9:47 pm
Absolutely drmaryb, I think he should get PT every game and I’m very happy to finally see him get some burn.
terrell
January 29th, 2011
9:49 pm
Teague can actually play if he’s out there with the starters. Contributing as much as Bibby and Jamal so far tonight, that’s for sure.
hawks_4_life
January 29th, 2011
9:54 pm
I dont get why people think Teague’s problem is LD. LD wants Teague to step up and take the spotlight, he even said his skill set is what the team lacks. What is he to do put a guy out there that dont want it? Now that said Teague is getting after it tonight and its this consistency that LD is looking for.
terrell
January 29th, 2011
9:55 pm
Dr. Mary, thought you were done with Teague. Get off the bandwagon. lol!
Aaron
January 29th, 2011
9:55 pm
It continues to amazes me how the team can repeatedly continue to under-utilize Horford on the offensive end. I mean, seriously, 3 field goal attempts in the half, when most of the options on the court are worse than him offensively? Give me a break. There’s no excuse for not utilizing Horford more, especially when the guards are not having success in isolation plays in the halfcourt and are not getting into transition. If Horford has Dirk or Marion guarding him, the team should make a serious effort to get him the ball in the post, and if they are denying him in the post, that pick and pop is going to be available all night. Come on, guys, get it together. Even Dennis Scott commented on how the Hawks need to get Al going in this game.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 29th, 2011
9:55 pm
Jae Evolution
Yeah, Teague has earned the right to start the third. He’s played awesome tonight. I really don’t see why not? Hawks need to pick up the pace, like last night. Play fast as possible. Tell Teague to run like A.Iverson did and John Wall does!
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:55 pm
Teague is the only Hawk who has made a 3 tonight. Bibby, Jamal, and even Joe are goose eggs from beyond the arc.
jmarable
January 29th, 2011
9:55 pm
yea when jamal is off. why not play the rook jordan, dude can flat out score. he should b getting min. anyway, not just when crawford is off.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:56 pm
Bibby bricks a wide open 3.
Useless.
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
9:56 pm
smh bibby
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
9:56 pm
Hawks can not get any foul calls….
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:57 pm
Bibby can’t get around the screen on D, leading to a dunk for Chandler.
Seriously. Get his azz out of there.
Worldwide Clyde
January 29th, 2011
9:57 pm
Why is Mo Evans in the game?
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
9:57 pm
Smoove got bailed out on that post up. Quit spinning to your right when you and everyone else knows you can’t use your right hand dude.
jmarable
January 29th, 2011
9:57 pm
oh no i c bibby starting the 3rd.whats up with atl coaching, bibby would not b getting these min in boston,or la or anybodys team that wants to win
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
9:58 pm
This Dallas broadcasting crew makes me sick… How about all those phathom/touch calls the Mavs have gotten….
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
9:58 pm
yes bibby foul out please
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
9:58 pm
Bibby may start the 3rd but I hope LD give him the quick hook if he’s ineffective.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
9:58 pm
This is exactly why I said Bibby should not start the third.
He misses a 3, and picks up another foul. if he is not making shots, and can’t guard his man, why is he out there?
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
9:58 pm
(( clapping )) @ Teague
This is all the coaches are asking out of him.
Play hard, and try his best to use his strengths as a player to impact a game. He can’t coast ( especially in practice ). Go ALL OUT!
And that’s how he can make an impact in a game . . in the 2nd quarter . . while the game is still in the balance.
Teague balling in a blowout situation doesn’t impress me any. Teague balling just like he did at the end of that 2nd quarter, is much more impressive.
There’s no conspiracy theory here. If he played like that all the time, he’d play more.
And see folks, it’s possible to make an impact in just a few minutes of game time.
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
10:00 pm
lmao@ the make up call…typical nba refs
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:00 pm
The Refs are killing the Hawks…
cp
January 29th, 2011
10:00 pm
smh Bibby. Just sit him LD . Its not a difficult decision seeing how Bibby is doing nothing out there.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:00 pm
Make up call on Smoove. That wasn’t a foul, but the foul on Dirk a couple of possessions ago probably wasn’t a foul either.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
10:01 pm
Why do coaches insist on starting the same lineup at the start of the third, regardless of how they played in the first half?
On another note, Josh cannt guard Dirk, plus Josh has too many fouls already. Put Josh at SF, and put Al at PF.
How hard is it to make that move?
Blast
January 29th, 2011
10:01 pm
Hawks are battling. I like that at least.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
10:02 pm
Meanwhile, Bibby’s man puts in a 3…
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:02 pm
Smoove for 3! (Assisted, in rhythm, and within the flow of the offense.)
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
10:02 pm
lmaooooooooo how u miss that
drmaryb (*_*)
January 29th, 2011
10:02 pm
terrell (don’t call me Te-relle!)
Hey man, I’m a beautiful woman, I get to change my mind. Teague can always make a believer out of me. I want to see all the players do well. But, they got to do it though. I don’t want to waste ANY picks.
DHunt
January 29th, 2011
10:02 pm
Anybody got a good internet link to watch the game?
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
10:03 pm
O’Brien . . of course Bibby should start the 3rd.
The last thing we want is Bibby and Jamal in the game ( possibly without JJ ) at the end of the 3rd/beginning of the 4th. Bibby is still an outside threat the Mavs have to account for. When JJ goes to post up, they bet not leave Bibby alone. JJ will find him and Bibby will knock some shots down.
If Teague gets another shot in the 2nd half, hopefully he can duplicate his 2nd quarter performance.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:04 pm
“On another note, Josh cannt guard Dirk, plus Josh has too many fouls already. Put Josh at SF, and put Al at PF. ”
Dirk has been making shots over both of them. The difference is that Al was making a concerted effort to deny Dirk the ball, whereas Smoove for whatever reason hasn’t done that. Al’s ball denial made Dirk receive the ball farther away than he wanted it.
I agree, though. If Smoove isn’t going to deny him the ball, put Al on him.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:05 pm
Take Mo and Bibby out…. All they are doing is missing 3pt shots..
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:06 pm
That’s what the f-ck I’m talking about! Dirk can’t guard Horford.
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
10:06 pm
http://www.firstrow.net/watch/47761/4/watch-dallas-mavericks-vs-atlanta-hawks.html
Worldwide Clyde
January 29th, 2011
10:06 pm
Free Jordan Crawford and put Mo Evans on the bench
hawks_4_life
January 29th, 2011
10:07 pm
DHunt
http://atdhe.net/
cp
January 29th, 2011
10:07 pm
Absolutely no production from Mo and Bibby tonight. Why are they still in the game?
NUNNA!!
January 29th, 2011
10:09 pm
Its always interesting to hear what the opposition thinks of your team..
http://www.channelsurfing.net/
Scroll down and find hawks
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
10:10 pm
LOL Najeh . . gets happy when Smith makes a 3. The rest of us breathe a sigh of relief.
There’s a big difference in a streaky shooter like Smith ( and Jamal and JJ for that matter ) taking 3s when they’re actually making their jumpers. It’s totally different when they’re ice cold, because the liklihood of another miss is extremely high, no matter how in rhythm the shot was.
That’s why Jamal can’t keep jacking up jumpers when he’s 3 – 12 FG . . that’ll quickly turn into 3 – 15.
That’s why JJ can’t keep jacking up 3s when he’s 0 – 3 . . that’ll quickly turn into 0 – 5.
So when Smith is missing a ton of jumpers, you don’t want him taking jumpers either . . in rhythm or no rhythm.
He’s playing smart offensive basketball this game. And his jumper is falling. So an open outside shot TONIGHT may not be a liability. If he misses 3 in a row though, he shouldn’t take anymore.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:10 pm
Horford guards Dirk, and Smoove gets in the passing lane and forces the turnover. Hawks need to continue with that.
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:11 pm
check coach Casey out over there..
SteveW
January 29th, 2011
10:11 pm
Last game Teague played agains the Bucks, he led the team in +/-. Tonight in only 4 minutes, he again leads the team in +/-. Hmmmm…..
But he’s a heartless idiot, i know. I still say, put him on San Antonio and we say “Why can’t we draft kids like that?”.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:12 pm
“LOL Najeh . . gets happy when Smith makes a 3. The rest of us breathe a sigh of relief.”
Just pointing out that Smoove’s 3 was not bad shot selection.
As for Jamal, pretty much every shot he has taken today has been out of the flow of the offense.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:12 pm
WTH is LD doing with the rotation. Powell playing SF?????
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:12 pm
Josh Powell is out of the doghouse, I guess?
SteveW
January 29th, 2011
10:13 pm
My issue with Smoove taking treys is not in rhythm or out of rhythm, but direct disobedience to the Head Coach basically.
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:13 pm
oh Za Za like going back to that left hand.. he kills em with that move..
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:14 pm
Yay, here come Jeff Teague….
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
10:14 pm
at least make the free throw zaza
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:14 pm
Yeah, this is a weird lineup. Three big men on the floor, especially when the Mavs have Marion in at PF.
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
10:15 pm
omgggg bench jamal wtf
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
10:15 pm
nevermind dont bench him lmao
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
10:15 pm
How does Jamal do it? His record of 4 point plays will never be broken…
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:15 pm
About time Jamal pulled the 4pt play out the bag… Hopefully, this will get him going…
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:16 pm
Now they went from a really big lineup to a small lineup, with Joe at SF. Hopefully they don’t shoot the Mavs into a lead over these last couple of minutes.
Jamal is crazy with those 3 point plays.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:17 pm
4 point plays.
cp
January 29th, 2011
10:17 pm
Jamal with another 4 point opportunity.. Dang a Josh Powell sighting.
hawks_4_life
January 29th, 2011
10:17 pm
The commentators for this game sucks. They are not neutral at all, very pro Mavs. I can understand if it was a local sports channel but for NBATV commentators to be this bias is disgusting.
GO HAWKS…..MAKE THEM EAT BIRD $H!t
THATS RIGHT I SAID IT
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:19 pm
The Mavs, like the Hawks, have a tendency to settle for jump shots a lot. That time it was JT shooting over Zaza instead of driving past him.
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
10:19 pm
lol joe said forget it ill let him dunk
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:20 pm
How was that not goaltending on Teague’s shot?
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:20 pm
That was goal tending on Teague shot
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:20 pm
Jamal smh.
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
10:20 pm
another open 3
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:20 pm
Jamal’s man AGAIN. Bibby and Jamal combined have probably given the Mavs at least 20 points by themselves.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
10:20 pm
Teague needs to push the ball everytime down. But too often, he walks it up, and then hands off to Jamal or JJ, and then stands around (like what Bibby does)
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:21 pm
As good as Joe has played. His jumper is off tonight.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:22 pm
Powell and Zaza held their own more or less, but hopefully LD doesn’t get crazy trying to roll with them when Dirk comes back in the game.
Good D by Teague in those last few minutes, unfortunately canceled out by some terrible D by Jamal.
Sautee
January 29th, 2011
10:22 pm
Powell with two put backs. Glad to see some positive production from him.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:23 pm
Hawks are playing hard. Only if these Refs would stop calling these bogus calls on them…
Jae Evolution
January 29th, 2011
10:24 pm
Do you guys think Teague will continue into the fourth qtr? I hope he does…
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
10:25 pm
3 seconds???? wtf these refs
brigadierjerry
January 29th, 2011
10:25 pm
Derek Harper on NBATV on Mavericks broadcast very good player and underrated player good team with Rolando Blackman Aguirre James Donaldson
cp
January 29th, 2011
10:25 pm
Good move Teague
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:25 pm
Thats right Teague, put Bearea in the basket…
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:26 pm
Good take by Teague. That midget can’t guard him. Gotta knock down the free throws, though…
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:26 pm
thats what i wanna see from him.. command a guard.. the team plays 4 on 5 w/ Jeff on the floor..
hawks_4_life
January 29th, 2011
10:26 pm
Good job Teague
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:27 pm
Teague isn’t getting around the screens as well lately as he did in the first half…
EmirS.
January 29th, 2011
10:27 pm
Didnt know I was watching football.
hawks_4_life
January 29th, 2011
10:27 pm
FOULS FOULS FOULS….ILL TAKE IT OVER EASY BUCKETS THOUGH
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:27 pm
i didnt see Powell @ SF but honestly he has a similar skill set as Marvin.
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:28 pm
starters in please.
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
10:28 pm
crawford trying to hard
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:28 pm
LD needs to call a timeout
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:28 pm
Take everybody out except for Teague.
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
10:28 pm
man wtf get these bench players out the game
cp
January 29th, 2011
10:28 pm
WTF kind of lineup is this smh
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:29 pm
neither one of our back up bigs can jump smh.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:29 pm
They need to get Horford in for Zaza too. Joe and Smoove is not enough.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:29 pm
Get Zaza out of the damn game PLEASE
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
10:30 pm
welp this game might be over
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:30 pm
Like I said many times before, ZaZa needs to go…
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
10:31 pm
Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
CUT ZAZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tony from Stone Mountain
January 29th, 2011
10:31 pm
Zaza is throwing the game!
Robbie
January 29th, 2011
10:31 pm
It’s Larry Drew’s fault that the Hawks are down by so much right now. He shouldn’t have stuck with the bench for so long. Joe, Josh, and Al all had a pretty long rest. It was a bad move to gamble with the bench when the game was so close on the road. Now, the Hawks have to dig out of a hole.
Worldwide Clyde
January 29th, 2011
10:31 pm
Solomon Jones > Zaza
cp
January 29th, 2011
10:31 pm
Zaza continues to be terrible while Jamal tries to do too much smdh
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:31 pm
LD took too long to get Horford and Smoove back in the game. If anything he should have gone with Collins over Zaza. Zaza pretty much accounted for a 6 or 7 point swing over the last two minutes in the Mavs’ favor.
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
10:32 pm
This guy is the biggest waste of time.
Dude can’t finish…
Can’t rebound…
Can’t defend…
SteveW
January 29th, 2011
10:32 pm
Glad they left Teague in there. Maybe Teague is finally growing up.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
10:32 pm
In 16 minutes, ZaZa is -13.
He is 1-4 from the field, 2 turnovers, 2 fouls. He is soft, and can’t hold on to the ball.
Haws defense is bad though. Teague is on Terry, who swings the ball to Dirk for a 3. And Teague ends up being the one to contest Dirk’s shot?
Where is the defense?
J.J.M
January 29th, 2011
10:33 pm
lmaooooooooooo everybody on fb ripping zaza
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:33 pm
LD, how many times do Bibby have to be exploded until you believe he’s hurting the team…
SteveW
January 29th, 2011
10:34 pm
OOps, I spoke to soon. Maybe Bibbs has some treys up his sleeve.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:34 pm
Another 4th qtr meltdown???
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
10:34 pm
What is it with this team and 4th quarters…
They just turned a tight game into a double digit lead.
The Hawks must be one of top turnover teams in the league…
And do you see the shots they try taking when we need buckets?
ISO-JJ…ISO-JOSH
EmirS.
January 29th, 2011
10:34 pm
Oh man, Blog about to explode after Smooves attempt.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
10:34 pm
Come on Hawks! What is your problem with executing in the 4th quarter?
Bad shot by Josh. But of course, Bibby gives him the ball, pretends to run into the paint, then of course, he backs out to the 3 pt line to stand around…
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:34 pm
Bibby is WORTHLESS. JC2 would have knocked down that 3. You gotta be kidding me.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
10:35 pm
and why is Bibby on Dirk?
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:35 pm
Could Bibby please foul out b/c thats the only way he will be bench
cp
January 29th, 2011
10:35 pm
smdh Bibby. LD just sit him on the bench
SteveW
January 29th, 2011
10:36 pm
Outscored 14-1 so far in the 4th. Bucks game redux
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
10:36 pm
Finally!
Although One 3 pointer by Bibby does not excuse his sorry play tonight…
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:36 pm
Al needs to quit giving up the ball. When he gets it at the free throw line he needs to drive or shoot. He is too good from that spot on the floor to be giving up to the Hawks’ streaky perimeter shooters. This is the 3rd or 4th time he has done that. Quit being passive.
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:36 pm
ok .. u got the 3 ball you’ve clearly been looking for. settle down. get good shots.
Freshfromatl
January 29th, 2011
10:36 pm
The bench may have sealed the Hawks fate in this one. How ZaZa manages to get minutes over Collins is beyond me smh.
Robbie
January 29th, 2011
10:37 pm
Whoever was saying that the Hawks were going to run into trouble with the strategy that they were using earlier once the Mavs tightened up their defense was right. The Hawks are struggling to score right now due to too much isolation. Also, when they are attempting to move the ball, they are turning the ball over way too much.
Rafa
January 29th, 2011
10:37 pm
Let’s just hope the threes all fall here
SteveW
January 29th, 2011
10:37 pm
We can still win this game.
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
10:37 pm
I would rather seriously lose 50+ games for a couple of seasons and try to land lottery picks to find replacements for Bibby, Zaza, Marvin, Mo Evans than continue with these scrubs.
Seriously, it gets irritating as hell watching these guys. We may win more games with them, but we’re not going anywhere in the playoffs with these guys seeing significant minutes in games.
cp
January 29th, 2011
10:38 pm
Bibby hit a 3 so i guess LD will overlook just how terrible Bibby has been defensively tonight.
Worldwide Clyde
January 29th, 2011
10:38 pm
Zaza needs to be shut down just like his restaurant
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:38 pm
Joe got the ball on the block and got it swatted away by Marion; Smoove got it on the block and took an ill advised fadeaway jumper instead of making Dirk work. Both bad plays, but that doesn’t mean the Hawks should abandon the post right now. Keep going to that well, especially with Joe, considering how hot Joe has been in the lane all game.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:38 pm
It doesnt matter what Teague does, LD is going to play him limited mins.
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
10:38 pm
It’s really unbelievable how quickly this game turned. I’m at work, and went to the bathroom, game still close. 4 minutes later ( in real time ), we’re down 10?
Wow.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:39 pm
5 fouls on Smoove.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
10:39 pm
That foul on Josh is because Barea got by Bibby…
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
10:39 pm
If Smith fouls out . . Game over
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
10:40 pm
I guess that shot was in rhythm.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:40 pm
Iso-Joe produces a Smoove 3 with 6 seconds left on the clock. Joe backed it out of the post instead of going strong.
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
10:40 pm
LOL . . damn . . game over.
Robbie
January 29th, 2011
10:40 pm
Why are we isolating Josh against Dirk? Dirk may not be the best defender, but he’s got a significant size advantage on Josh which is resulting in Josh settling for fadeaways. That’s never a good thing. I think we need to abandon that attempt. It hasn’t gotten us much success at all. We need to try something else. Maybe some Horford pick-and-pop, or some JJ backdoor cuts. If the Mavs are going to play Marion on Horford, we need to go at that matchup for sure.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:40 pm
Weak foul call on Josh.
Freshfromatl
January 29th, 2011
10:41 pm
Hawks better off without Josh in this one.
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
10:41 pm
Najeh . . Smith could’ve used that 6 seconds to drive to the basket. Instead, he stepped back and shot a 3. The dude needs to attack.
Oh well . . a moot point now.
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
10:41 pm
Josh gone…
Even with Josh, the chances this team was winning this game were slim.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
10:41 pm
And Josh is fouled out.
I wonder how many of the fouls our bigs get is because Bibby’s guy got by him, got into the paint, so Hawks forced to scramble?
Meanwhile, hawks 4-19 from 3…
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:41 pm
This game is pretty much over if the Hawks don’t score on this possession.
EmirS.
January 29th, 2011
10:41 pm
Smoove = Our only defense.
Robbie
January 29th, 2011
10:42 pm
By the way…JJ has been a beast in this game.
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
10:42 pm
Any and all minutes Zaza clocks should be Collins minutes from here on out. Seriously, what else does coach have to see to determine Zaza’s a major liability.
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:42 pm
let the onslaught of the rim begin..
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:42 pm
Lucky that Kidd missed that open 3. Another blown coverage from DeAngelo Bibby and Dunta Crawford.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:43 pm
The Refs killed the Hawks tonight…
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:43 pm
i dont understand this line up.. u have to bring in Jason and put Al on Dirk.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:43 pm
“Any and all minutes Zaza clocks should be Collins minutes from here on out.”
Co-sign. I wonder if Zaza gets his spot in the rotation mandated so as to not make Sund look like a damn idiot for giving him an untradeable long term contract.
EmirS.
January 29th, 2011
10:44 pm
I would have the urge to put in Teague right now.
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
10:44 pm
There you go KOBE . .err . .I mean JJ
Fascinating sub, by putting Damien in the game. Let’s see if the move pays off.
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:45 pm
if Damien can guard Dirk.. he can guard Shaq.
slimjr
January 29th, 2011
10:46 pm
ZAZA=THE BIG STIFF!!! JUST BRUTAL MAN……………………………….
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
10:46 pm
Good block by Haywood right there. Thanks for the foul call though.
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
10:46 pm
It’s been all Joe or nothing offensively…
Especially here in the 4th quarter. Outside of that Bibby 3, it’s been JJ’s dribbling act on every possession.
lukas
January 29th, 2011
10:46 pm
Al is passing every ball!! he does not want to shoot tonight.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:47 pm
The Mavs’ PA announcer sounds like the Ass to Ass guy from Requiem For A Dream.
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:47 pm
Al hasnt had his game tonight.. he was ignored early though.
cp
January 29th, 2011
10:48 pm
And Bibby man gets another wide open shot smdh
Sautee
January 29th, 2011
10:48 pm
OK, I’ve had enough. Trade Jamal for a starting PG.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:48 pm
Even if Joe is on fire, Iso-Joe is ultimately a mirage. NOBODY is going to make a high percentage of his shots if he goes one on five. It’s just not going to happen.
That Kidd 3 is pretty much the dagger in the coffin.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:49 pm
There was a slim chance that the Hawks could comeback and win this game, why not play Teague and let him play some meaningful mins the would help in his development… SMH at LD…
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
10:49 pm
I knew that 3 was good by Kidd as soon as it left his hand.
Oh well.
Mavs going with the screen every trip down. Either they isolated Bibby on defense, or Jamal. Horford should probably leave Chandler a little to help on Dirk in the post.
Only a 3 point barrage can save us now. Decent effort nonetheless by the Hawks. Just had a 3 minute meltdown that cost them the game.
lukas
January 29th, 2011
10:49 pm
Recap: bench players blew the game. Zaza MVP.
Rafa
January 29th, 2011
10:50 pm
Last foul on Josh was a joke
Al missing passes and shots
Why is the fourth quarter such a problem?
EmirS.
January 29th, 2011
10:50 pm
Lol your down by 7 with jsut over 2 mins to go and your trying to get back in the game with jump shots. Seriously, put Teague in the game and tell him to take it to the hole. I dont even care if he turns it over. Bibby aint doing nothing, AL cant make a shot and seems intimidated to take it to the whole. JJ is doing what he needs to be doing (scoring….sometimes), Damien sems like a non factor, and I dont even know who the other guy is on the floor.
It’s hard being a hawks fan. But we gotta live with it.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:50 pm
Another 4th qtr meltdown. Hawks has scored a total of 10pts with 2mins left…
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
10:51 pm
Even with Al having an off night, I’m wondering why they don’t go to that pick & pop when they’re struggling to find a shot.
Instead of going to Josh down in the post, or ISO-JJ, try to get Horford a clean mid-range look. Pick & pop…?
I don’t know. They need to address these 4th quarter lulls though, because it’s beyond sad.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:51 pm
“The Hawks need a quick basket,” says Nique as Bibby dribbles 10 seconds off the shot clock and sets up nothing.
EmirS.
January 29th, 2011
10:51 pm
LOL, good night guys.
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
10:51 pm
Najeh . . what other options are there?
The problem with the Hawks is that we don’t have a low post player to simply toss the ball down to on the blocks. Smith is decent, but he rather shoot jumpers. Horford would definitely rather shoot jumpers. Our best guy down on the blocks is JJ, and he’ll get doubled and have to pass it out to a shooter.
LOL @ that shot by JJ . . that’s a “I don’t trust my team” type of shot.
Game really over now.
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:51 pm
18..11..5 ..
lol. eat that Jamal.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
10:52 pm
Mavs go to zone, and JJ goes 1 on 3, forced to take a loooong 3…which he misses.
This game is over. Take Bibby and Jamal out, and put teague and Jordan in
Nique's Revenge
January 29th, 2011
10:52 pm
release bibby
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:52 pm
If there was a version of +/- that actually showed each individual player’s impact on the game, Bibby-Jamal-Zaza combined today would be at about a -50.
Jae Evolution
January 29th, 2011
10:52 pm
I wish we had a backup PF like Taj Gibson, one who plays GREAT post D, blocks shots, and finishes at the rim, pretty much everything Zaza DOESN’T DO.
Sautee
January 29th, 2011
10:52 pm
Najeh,
Took the words right out of my keyboard.
yodaddy
January 29th, 2011
10:53 pm
Hawks aint built to beat the Mavericks….Terry, Barea too quick…Kidd too strong
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:53 pm
Taj Gibson, of course, was picked 7 spots after Teague.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:53 pm
Wow, LD is about to put Teague in the game with less than a min and the Hawks down 11pts…
ZAZAAAAAAAA
January 29th, 2011
10:53 pm
Good news guys. Zaza is still signed for 2 more years.
yodaddy
January 29th, 2011
10:54 pm
Cant get outscored like that in the 4th though…..25-13….gotta be able to score
cp
January 29th, 2011
10:54 pm
The Jamal and Bibby back-court is absolutely brutal defensively but LD keeps going with it and teams just continue to attack those 2 .
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
10:54 pm
Hawks scored 13pts in the 4th qtr. SMH….
yodaddy
January 29th, 2011
10:55 pm
We have to find a way to stop these 4th quarter collapses though
Jae Evolution
January 29th, 2011
10:55 pm
“Taj Gibson, of course, was picked 7 spots after Teague.”
Wow was he really? That guy in a few years is going to be looked back on as a steal, Great defender, grabs massive boards on occasion, and block shots, shame we couldn’t have any luck in the draft one of these years.
Gerald
January 29th, 2011
10:55 pm
I told you this would happen. Base your offense on isolation and ignore Horford early and you will lose the game. It’s that simple. The Hawks coaching staff and a large number of their players continue to show how stupid they are. I told you all that this would happen. I could tell this was a loss from the second quarter, even when the Hawks had the lead. You’re not going to win a game letting Joe trying to beat the other team by himself and isolation Josh for fadeaways. The Hawks deserved to lose this game. It was a pathetic strategy tonight.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
10:56 pm
The interesting thing is last year, we struggled to score more than 19 points in the fourth quarter.
And the same thing is happening this season. The 4th quarter looks like Woody’s ISO jj’s, and we only score 13 in the fourth…
northcyde,
Shaq would have looked good in the post..
bigdave
January 29th, 2011
10:56 pm
well @ least w/ this loss i feel a little better about our chances of not laying an egg in 4 days..
Sautee
January 29th, 2011
10:57 pm
This one’s on Zaza and Jamal.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:58 pm
It’s amazing, really, how quickly Bibby has deteriorated. Jason Kidd is five years older than Teague and still finds a way to be productive. Bibby right now is hands down the worst starting point guard in the league, and I wouldn’t be surprised if at least half the backups in the league were better.
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
10:58 pm
I remember back, I think 3 season’s ago, when people on one of these Hawks blogs were debating Zaza Pachulia vs. Marcin Gortat.
Zaza’s stock then was a lot higher than it is now. But the selling point of course was, “Zaza’s young, and he’ll get even better…”
I don’t think Zaza’s progressed one bit in his time on the Hawks. He’s either the exact same from year to year, or worse.
This guy is the same exact player he was 3 seasons ago.
The only reason he was popular then was because he stood up to KG in the playoffs. Now that that’s worn off, cut him please.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
10:58 pm
That should obviously say Kidd is five years older than Bibby, not Teague.
brigadierjerry
January 29th, 2011
10:59 pm
I think northclyde made a good point of the hawks not having a low post player. That would make the difference in the world even if that low post player was someone like andrew bynum or a marc gasol or Kaman or even a Hibbert type of player that can protect the paint grab boards and be a prsence in the middle
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
10:59 pm
Although I’m glad the Hawks resigned JJ last off-season, one of the deals discussed on the blogs was a sign and trade to Chicago where we pick up Hinrich, Taj Gibson, and draft pick.
If that deal had gone through, the Bulls would have been a top 3 seed. Oh wait, they are still a top 3 seed…
cp
January 29th, 2011
10:59 pm
Arroyo might be the only pg in the East that Bibby and Jamal can defend. We have to get another pg in here or just let Teague play because its gone be hard beating anybody in the playoffs with this perimeter defense. It puts too much pressure on our bigs to try and come over and clean up their mess.
Avery
January 29th, 2011
11:00 pm
Look at how pathetic our offense was tonight:
24 shot attempts for Johnson, 12 for Jamal, and no one else had more than 10 attempts. In the first half, Horford was ignored almost entirely on the offensive end. Josh couldn’t get anything going with foul trouble, and with Bibby out, our offense was almost purely Joe Johnson. If he would have missed some of those tough shots he took in this game, this would have been a blowout. What a pathetic excuse for a team performance we saw tonight. This was an absolute disgrace and I feel like puking when I watch the team play like this.
superiorblogman
January 29th, 2011
11:00 pm
Larry Drew loses another game. He simply left the bum bench players in the game too long. Yes it was only 4 when the starters got back in, but sometimes you have to be able to see momentum before the scoreboard shows it to you and that’s something that Drew has not learned. This game was a lot like the Bucks game even though we were never up double digits. Also we really need to get Al more shots, how can you not get your All-Star into the groove at all? Drew sucks bad.
slimjr
January 29th, 2011
11:01 pm
Playoffs?.PLAYOFFS????.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
11:02 pm
“I remember back, I think 3 season’s ago, when people on one of these Hawks blogs were debating Zaza Pachulia vs. Marcin Gortat.”
Haha, forget that… I distinctly remember people two years ago comparing Zaza’s per minute numbers over his first three seasons to Andrew Bogut and saying Zaza could get there one day. LMAO
Try to make the Jamal for Nash trade, give Collins all of Zaza’s minutes, and bench Zaza for all eternity. I would say trade Bibby or Zaza but nobody is going to trade for them.
Joe
January 29th, 2011
11:02 pm
Is it just me that notice, the Hawks seem to collapse in the 4th quarter in every game. How is that? It doesn’t matter who is coaching. What happens in the 4th quarter with this team?
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
11:03 pm
“and with Bibby out, our offense was almost purely Joe Johnson.”
Haha, good one. Bibby might as well have been out.
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
11:03 pm
LOL O’Brien . . don’t get me started on the Shaq issue. Maybe the biggest mistake of all time by the ASG to not have the balls to get that deal done. If we would’ve lost Marvin in the deal, so what?
Just his big presence alone would’ve at least given the Hawks a low post option to throw the ball down to, even if all he did was draw fouls on people.
But my bad, the ASG thought he cost too much, and 70% of the fans didn’t want Shaq.
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
11:03 pm
I’ll use this moment to rant a bit more about the rookies and their need for PT.
Seriously, do you honestly think this team is going any F’n where with all of the dead weight holding this team down?
Mike Bibby
Mo Evans
Zaza Pachulia
I would name more, but I’ll leave it at those 3 right now particularly.
Slide Joe to the 3, Jordan at the 2, and Jamal in at point at times. I’m tired of seeing these lineups with JJ, Mo, and Jamal or JJ, Mo, and Bibby.
Get Teague and JC2 some burn. Their ceilings are a lot higher than scrubs like Mo Evans.
Please, just do something to change the dynamics of this team. I’m tired of seeing the same old ish.
bonquesha
January 29th, 2011
11:03 pm
It seems the bench really dug the Hawks into a hole at the beginning of the fourth and the team could not recover. As usual, I always think Joe takes too many shots, but his teammates are part of the problem. They tend to pass him the ball and then move out the way, stand, and watch to see what happens. Even if Joe gets doubled or tripled, they stand and watch. And since when is Joe the best post player on the team? I’m disappointed in Al and Josh.
yodaddy
January 29th, 2011
11:03 pm
I think coach left the starters out too long in the 4th….Mavs starters were in vs. the second team….and that’s when they built the lead
Hawks vs Mavs
January 29th, 2011
11:05 pm
lol wow Hawks, another collapse
24 pts in the First, 25 in the Second, 29 in the Third …. 13 in the Fourth. These collapses are like high school team faltering in the 4th because they’re not conditioned to play a full 4 quarters yet. A few times and it’s not a big deal but over and over again it starts to become a big problem.
Maybe they need to start practicing more or something.
brigadierjerry
January 29th, 2011
11:05 pm
Kidd is still in the league although not as quick is because he is a great passer. He is one of those players that can play for a long time since his game isnt based on athletic ability same was as paul pierce, grant hill, kurt thomas are still playing is. Bibby in his prime can always score but was able to score of the dribble but never was a great passer. Since he cannot score of the dribble anymore and isnt quick and is now a spot up shooter his deficiencies are much worse on this team because the hawks need him to be a facilitator and push the ball and he can no longer do that and he is a starter
Avery
January 29th, 2011
11:06 pm
superiorblogman,
You are spot on with your analysis. Drew is garbage when it comes to coaching in crunch time. He fails to make adjustments, has no clue how to distribute shots and get people going. I don’t think any other coach in the league could be dumb enough to totally ignore Horford for basically an entire half, meanwhile fail to make any adjustments when the offense is struggling. He’s as bad as Woodson in fourth quarters. Why are we even paying him? I could sit on the bench and tell my players to give the ball to Joe if that’s what the ASG thinks “coaching” is. Pathetic.
Sautee
January 29th, 2011
11:07 pm
I DO like the fact that Joe took it to the paint tonight.
Avery
January 29th, 2011
11:08 pm
Hawks vs Mavs,
The reason the team collapses in the fourth quarter is because anytime the game gets close or it comes down to crunch time, our offense degenerates to foolish isolation. That’s a combination of selfish/confused players and bad coaching. In our case, it’s mostly the latter.
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
11:08 pm
“Bibby right now is hands down the worst starting point guard in the league” Najeh .
I dont know about the entire league, but I think he is the worst starting PG for a playoff team.
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
11:09 pm
Joe . . it’s not the coaching . . it’s the players man. It’s always been the players.
What happens, is that teams either go zone on us, or the Hawks simply can’t make outside jumpers. I guess at that point, JJ feels the need to do it himself, either as a scorer or as a passer out of the double team.
Guys are usually wide open when he passes out of that double team, but they miss shots. And when he has to force up a shot, he’ll miss on occasion ( 0 – 6 from beyond 13ft tonight for JJ ).
Bibby is really the key to ISO-JOE. He has to be the one to knock down shots when JJ passes it out. A lot of times though, it’s Smith’s man that goes to double JJ, leaving Smith open out on the perimeter.
If it’s early enough on the shot clock, I wish that Smith would catch the pass and immediately attack the lane, instead of settling for the jumper. But if the clock is under 5 seconds when he catches the ball, he sometimes doesn’t have a choice but to shoot the jumper.
A real good PG would solve this problem though. Steve Nash running pick and roll with Al or Smith, would remedy this, although we’d still have problems on the defensive end with Nash. Nash is perennially the best shooting PG in the league, so he’d either make the shot on most occasions, or find the open man who could knock down the shot.
cp
January 29th, 2011
11:10 pm
Zaza is good for at least one illegal screen, a three seconds call, and loses at least two good passes per game. Dude is terrible.
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
11:10 pm
LOL . . and once again . . if our big people would actually post up people and try to score or draw a foul, that would stop some of these scoring droughts as well. But neither they, nor JJ, are wired like that.
Sometimes you just need to go hard to the hole, and run into somebody to draw a foul, much like how Wade, Lebron, and Melo does. That’s why they live at the FT line.
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
11:11 pm
cp
January 29th, 2011
11:10 pm
Zaza is good for at least one illegal screen, a three seconds call, and loses at least two good passes per game. Dude is terrible.
lmao
Hawks vs Mavs
January 29th, 2011
11:11 pm
“I think coach left the starters out too long in the 4th”
same thing happened in the Bucks game. Hawks were leading by a slightly large margin at the end of the 3rd but then the 4th comes about and most of the starters are on the bench, then bench scores only 3 points in the span of 4-5 minutes .. starters come back in, but the Bucks have all the momentum now, they take the lead and take the game.
There are 2 times when the bench should rarely be in the game: the majority of the 1st and majority of the 4th
northcyde
January 29th, 2011
11:12 pm
Oh well . . 1 more hour on this dang job. Crazy they have us working on a Saturday, and my people still can’t get the job done.
At least the Vols won.
Wabe
January 29th, 2011
11:14 pm
Teague may not have the greatest jumper. He may make mistakes, but Bibby’s upside vs. Teague’s upside? Teague may not make every open bucket, but he won’t be the reason our opponent makes every one of their buckets like Bibby is.
Usually our defensive breakdowns start with Bibby.
terrell
January 29th, 2011
11:16 pm
Same ole Hawks. Same ole comments. Time to make a move, or we’re toast. Bibby, Mo, and Zaza have to be 3 of the top 10 worst players in the league. And they’re ALL on this team.
Jae Evolution
January 29th, 2011
11:17 pm
Look at the brightside we have one of the easiest parts of our schedule leading up to the All-Star break with the only team we face over .500 being the Knicks, so we should boost ourselves in the rankings quite a bit over the first part of Feb.
tyler
January 29th, 2011
11:19 pm
I actually pay to watch the Hawks play- I live in Pensacola- so I have to say- So far so good……this particular game was on NBA Tv but the majority was League Pass. I never expected us to win this game- seriously. We are either 4th or 5th in the East and that’s what I expected in the first place. LD has done a good job of changing (or trying to) the offense that focuses less on JJ and more on moving the ball. For what’s it’s worth- that’s happened more so than not. They have lost a few that they shouldn’t have (Bucks, Hornets too) but they are a good/above average team…just what i expected!
O'Brien
January 29th, 2011
11:19 pm
Hawks have lost 18 games so far this season. Out of those 18 losses, there have been 9 games where we failed to score more than 19 points in the fourth.
At Orlando, 19
Verses Utah, 17
At Miami, 16
At Detroit, 19
At N.O., 15
At OKC, 15
Verses N.O., 14
At Bucks, 15
At Dallas, 13.
We cannot win games where we struggle to score in te fourth, especially since our defense is horrible.
This is very similar to what happened to the hawks last year.
Melvin
January 29th, 2011
11:26 pm
Mavs had 7 players scored in double figures tonigh…SMH
Avery
January 29th, 2011
11:30 pm
You have to admit, as bad as Bibby is, he’s one of the few guys on the team who passes the ball to Horford for shots. Whenever Horford sets a pick for Bibby, Bibby almost always passes the ball back to Horford for a nice pick-and-pop jumper that he typically converts. No other guard on the team does that. Whenever Al sets a pick for Jamal, Jamal is almost guaranteed to take the shot himself, regardless of whether it is a good shot or not. Joe, most of the time, will just continue to dribble even with a pick and ignores the pick half of the time. Teague is too confused at this point to know what to do, and we never really set picks for Mo Evans. Even if bibby sucks at defending, at least when he’s on the court, there’s a chance that we might get a shot for someone else other than Joe or Jamal when the offense is struggling. Bibby was bad tonight, but if there’s one thing he does well, it’s run the pick and pop, which was nearly nonexistent tonight. One of the biggest problems we had was ignoring Horford on the offensive end in the first half, and for the majority of the game. By the time Horford finally got shots in the game, he had no rhythm going because he barely even touched the ball on the offensive end at times.
I absolutely hate when Drew plays Jamal at the point. Who in the world would do that. I’d rather gamble with Teague at the point than Jamal. Jamal is not a point guard. His first instinct is to score, and most of the time, when he gets the ball he’s going to shoot it. You can’t run a motion system with Joe and Jamal as your backcourt. It’s not going to work 90% of the time. Drew really needs to realize that. As much as Drew is “disappointed” in Teague, it doesn’t hurt as any more to have Teague at the point than it does to have Jamal there. If you are going to play Jamal, it should be exclusively at the 2 on this team. The offense looked horrid tonight. If it weren’t for Joe converting on a lot of those isolation plays, we might have lost the game by 20+ points. Bibby being out makes a difference, since he is one of the only guards on the team who is not a black hole when it comes to offense. Personally, I’d prefer for him to be on the bench in favor of a better point guard, but Drew just doesn’t trust Teague yet, and no one else is available to play the point. So, we get stuck with Jamal and his bad shots to complement the JJ isolation plays. Anyone who knows the game of basketball could tell that the Hawks were going to lose this game if they kept up the same poor strategy. I’m sick of hearing about this “motion offense”. It’s nothing more than a gimmick. When it’s winning time, this “motion” is nowhere to be found.
mackandflow
January 29th, 2011
11:37 pm
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?4931-Mike-Bibby-s-defense-sucks.
whateva, byebyebibby
Fred
January 29th, 2011
11:37 pm
We need to get a true alpha-dog point guard that knows what he’s doing. We need a confident point guard that knows how to run the team. A guy who will look at Drew and say “F-ck you, you dumb b!tch. I’m going to run this team the way it should be run.” A guy who knows how to get the ball to the bigs who knows how to run actual plays. That will probably never happen though, since the Hawks management is basically a gutless group of cowards with no urge to improve the team at all.”
Texas Hawk
January 29th, 2011
11:39 pm
Look I was at this game and I am pissed!! He should first of all NOT put Bibby back in the game Teague was playing very well. I think they put Josh Smith on the bench too early near the end of the 3rd quarter. After the steal and dunk by Josh, he was starting to get into the game but NOPE they put him on the bench. Now in the 4th QTR when the Mavs went on that mini-run. I think the coach waited too long to call a timeout and put Johnson, Hartford and Smith back in the game. What pissed me off the most was that BIBBY was a no-show in this game but TEAGUE was holding down Barea and helped us make a run in this game. When is this guy going to learn, STAY WITH THE HOT HAND!! Bibby had done NOTHING for 3 qtrs!!!
Mack Mel
January 29th, 2011
11:45 pm
I hope everyone can see clearly now that we definitely need a point guard. At this point, pretty much any point would be an upgrade, as long as they have playmaking ability. Even if we get a PG like nash who can’t defend, it’s still a huge upgrade, since it will solve our problems of Horford never getting enough touches, Josh taking too many threes, our guards isolating too much, etc., etc. We’ll still have issues on defense, but our offense would improve, which would help us our overall. I’m totally fed up with our garbage guards that we try to get to play the point for us. Our team is so weak at the PG position, we’d probably have a better chance of winning with Smith or Horford playing the point. Both of them defend the perimeter better than Bibby and are typically responsible for more assists. That’s how big of a joke our team is at the PG position.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 29th, 2011
11:54 pm
Nash is just as bad as Bibby on D, but he is one of the great offensive point guards of all time and hasn’t really lost much off his game. At least the Hawks would be keeping up with other teams if Nash was on the floor, instead of going isolation like they have done the last three 4th quarters.
Rufus1
January 29th, 2011
11:59 pm
Wide open shots…
When Bibby and Jamal miss open jump shots, they are Worthless.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
12:00 am
“Kidd is still in the league although not as quick is because he is a great passer. He is one of those players that can play for a long time since his game isnt based on athletic ability same was as paul pierce, grant hill, kurt thomas are still playing is. Bibby in his prime can always score but was able to score of the dribble but never was a great passer. Since he cannot score of the dribble anymore and isnt quick and is now a spot up shooter his deficiencies are much worse ”
I see your point, but Kidd at his peak was also very reliant on his quickness and athleticism. At one point you could have made a good argument that he was the fastest point guard in the league and the best defensive point guard in the league. In fact, at his peak he was arguably over-reliant on his quickness because his jumper was below average. The man is five years older than Bibby and has had a microfracture surgery and he is still at least able to keep his man in front of him. If Bibby was merely a mediocre defender I don’t think it would be a huge deal. The fact that Sekou could step in and play D as well as him is the real problem.
The point is, Kidd has reinvented his game to a major extent and has kept up his conditioning — two things Bibby hasn’t done. Seeing what Kidd has managed to do, I am not so inclined to let Bibby off the hook for his lack of athleticism as some have done.
Jerome
January 30th, 2011
12:05 am
I don’t care how bad Woodson was, he wasn’t worse than Drew. Drew is no better than Woodson. In fact, if you look at the stats, he’s even worse than Woodson. Defensively, sometimes it looks like we are improving, but them we regress, so I can’t even say that we’ve improved on defense. Meanwhile, we have declined on offense with our new pathetic excuse for a motion system. How do people think that we are going to go anywhere with Drew? Honestly, what improvement do you see? We probably won’t even have a record as good as last season, and in the playoffs, once we play a good team, we might as well have Woodson on the sideline once it becomes winning time. In the fourth quarter, it will just be pure isolation. All Drew has done is steal some of the same plays that Woodson used and call them a “motion offense”
Larry Drew is such a joke. I remember when he we went all MLK jr. on us and talked about his vision of having “everyone on the court as a threat on the offensive end”. What B.S. that was. The only thing the players are threatening is the chance of winning the game. This was the most one-dimensional team performance I’ve seen in a long, long team. Not even the Cavs looked this bad last year when Lebron used to do everything. At least Mo Williams, Antwan Jamison and Shaq got to shoot the ball too. JJ is not Lebron, he’s not even close. He’s not going to win a game by himself, and that a poor approach to use. If you go into a good opposing team’s arena and actually think that you are going to beat them by isolating your shooting guard against their defense in 1 vs. 3, 4, or 5 situations, you’re an idiot. Your just going to lose. I cannot stress how much I hate this guy. I hate the fact that I’m helpless in terms of helping the team improve, otherwise I’d do all that was in my power to get rid of Drew and put Bibby on the bench where he belongs, meanwhile pursuing a real coach and a real PG.
Eric S.
January 30th, 2011
12:11 am
I’ve got to agree with superiorblogman, Jerome, and others and say that Drew is the worst NBA head coach in the league right now. Most of the bad teams lose because of their players, but we lose because of our coaching. That would never happen on an actual contending team. I pose a challenge to you bloggers:
Name me five current head coaches in the NBA who are significantly worse than Drew.
lp
January 30th, 2011
12:14 am
only on this blog can you score 27 pts shoot over 50% and be criticized.
rusty
January 30th, 2011
12:21 am
Why do we fall apart in the 4th. It’s because our great hero jj plays iso Joe,holds the ball to long,dribbles to much,eats the cloak up & takes forced shots, completely screws up all team play. I know you guys will say he had a great game. We never will anywhere with Joe.
rusty
January 30th, 2011
12:23 am
When he plays in sync he plays well. He absolutely should not be taking over 20 shots a game
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
12:27 am
LD deserves blame for keeping Powell and Zaza in for too long to start the 4th, for playing Zaza instead of Collins in the first place, and for the Hawks’ unwillingness as a team to get the ball in the post to Joe/Al/Smoove on every possession. He does not deserve blame for the fact that this roster has no quality depth in the front court or at point guard in the first place, nor has he done a bad job overall as a head coach. The Hawks this year are more unselfish, less reliant on Iso-Joe, less reliant on the starting lineup, and better and less gimmicky defensively, and chances are that is going to translate into better performances in the playoffs (it has already translated into two wins over Orlando, the Hawks’ nemesis last year).
LD has done a decent job. Not great, but definitely better than Woody.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 30th, 2011
12:29 am
And also, for the first three quarters Joe was scoring within the flow of the offense, not on isolations. In the 4th that obviously changed. But the bad 4th quarter doesn’t change the fact that for the first three quarters he was playing one of his best games of the season.
Walker, Texas Ranger
January 30th, 2011
12:29 am
Hers’a list of coaches in the league who are better than Drew:
Gregg Popovich
Jerry Sloan
Phil Jackson
Scott Skiles
Doc Rivers
Tom Thibodeau
Stan Van Gundy
Mike D’Antoni
Scott Brooks
Rick Carlisle
Rick Adelman
Monty Williams
Avery Johnson (he has a crappy group of players, but he’s proven what he can do with talent)
Eric Spoelstra
Flip Saunders (another guy stuck with mediocre young players, but who has proven himself in the past)
George Carl
Alvin Gentry (he has shown that he can make adjustments and lead a team far when given a significant amount of talent)
That leaves only
Paul Westphaul
Kurt Rambis
Vinny Del Negro
John Keuster
Keith Smart
as coaches who are not significantly worse than Drew, and each of those coaches are stuck with inferior groups of players compared to the Hawks. I didn’t include Paul Silas in the discussion because it’s too soon to tell how he’ll do coaching the bobcats this season, and it’s been far too long since his last coaching stint.
Also, keep in mind that I didn’t mention Jim O’Brien, Collins, Jay Triano, or Byron Scott since it’s arguable that each of them is about even with Drew in terms of coaching. None of them have bad strategies, but each of them has a team filled with role players and lack of talent (the pacers have one player who is close to being a “star”, but that’s it).
rusty
January 30th, 2011
12:38 am
What good was jj great 3quarters when he took us out of our offense in the 4th & we lose the game
Walker, Texas Ranger
January 30th, 2011
12:48 am
How has L.D. done a better job than Woody? Seriously, on the offensive end, we are almost the same, strategically. Occasionally, we move the ball, but anytime we play a good team and the pressure is on, or we are down, 90% of the time, we go back to iso-Joe or iso-Jamal. What has L.D. added to that? Iso-Josh? Our offense is worse now (check the stats). Believe it or not, we ran a lot of the same plays under Woodson, we just isolated a ton when games were close. Larry Drew has added in some more plays, or used more plays that we didn’t use last year, but in the fourth quarter, he might as well be Woodson on slimfast.
Also, in terms of matchups, I think L.D. is worse than Woodson. Reguarly, L.D. matches Bibby up with quick point guards, who we all know he is unable to guard. Woodson almost always tried to hide Bibby. Also, Woodson used to match up Horford on the opposing team’s best post players. L.D. almost always just matches up based upon position when it comes to our bigs, regardless of whether there is success in that or not. Like tonight, for example, Al was doing a better job guarding Dirk than Smoove, and Al is a better individual defender in the post than Josh, yet L.D. stuck with Josh on Dirk. Also, remember that Houston game where Scola was on fire against Josh? It took L.D. more than half of the game to finally put Horford on him and shut him down, but in the fourth quarter, after that had worked, he put Smoove back on him. Often times, what L.D. does makes no sense.
Also, on the defensive end, people hated how Woodson used switching. Well, news flash people, Bibby can’t defend anyone in a 1 vs. 1 situation, and once the opposing team sets a pick, Bibby is going to get lost. We are pretty much forced to switch with bibby and Jamal, and we still switch on screens a lot. We did a ton of switching tonight. Our defense, at times, has looked better, but that’s only really been when Bibby or Jamal have been out of the game. When both of them are in, and L.D. loves having them in together in the fourth quarter, our defense is just as bad as it was under Woodson.
Also, what other problems has L.D. solved? He hasn’t helped Josh to improve his shot selection. He hasn’t helped Al to get more shots. Al is still as underutilized as ever, lately. L.D. hasn’t improved our win total, although we’ve had injuries. Only time will tell whether our road record will improve from last season, and our home record is worse than it was last season. Joe is playing better lately, but it’s not because of L.D.’s system, it’s because he’s dominating the ball more lately. Our transition defense is slightly better, but at the same time, our rebounding is worse due to that “adjustment”. Our turnovers are up, which makes sense if you really do move the ball, but our offense is, once again, worse.
Also, people are saying that maybe Drew will have more success in the playoffs. What signs of that are you seeing? We’ve managed to beat a wounded and a new orlando team during the season, but during the regular season last year, we beat a lot of elite teams under Woodson and still got abused in the playoffs. It should be obvious to everyone that if Drew continues to go iso in the fourth quarters of games against good teams, we are going to lose those games. It will only get worse in the playoffs if we continue to use this strategy. Also, Drew hasn’t shown signs of improvement as time has gone on. If anything, things are starting to look worse. Joe is isolating more and more, Horford is getting the ball on offense less and less, Teague is playing less and less and getting blamed for his “lack of hard work”, and our team is starting to appear as though they care less and less when they lose.
I’m not saying that drew is a bad coach, overall. For a rookie head coach, he’s done okay. But he hasn’t been better than Woodson, and for this team, and the improvement that the fans want to see, “okay” isn’t enough.
Rufus1
January 30th, 2011
12:50 am
Mad Joe WTF?
Bibby hit one shot…and that is 75% of his value….Teague 6pts, Bibby 3pts
Jamal(10mil a year) shoots 4-12 and half his shots were wide open…99% of his value.
If joe scores 27pts and shoots 50% ….HE DID HIS JOB.
Jerome
January 30th, 2011
12:54 am
I’m with Chuck Norris (Walker) on this one. L.D. is no better than Woodson. If management wanted us to isolate during fourth quarter and lose to every good team in the playoffs, they should have just stuck with Woodson. I really believe that the only reason ASG made a coaching change was to cut salary. They knew they could low-ball Drew since he desperately wanted to be a head coach and wouldn’t have been hired by anyone else. This is what happens when your tight pockets dictate the success of your team.
rusty
January 30th, 2011
12:59 am
Ld & jj took us out of the game in the 4th quarter like they usually do
Ramone
January 30th, 2011
1:56 am
Larry Drew’s post-game conference was pathetic. “Our shot selection was a bit iffy…the effort was there, we just came up short.” Are you kidding me, Drew? The “shot selection” wasn’t good? Is that the best explanation you’ve got? How about saying “I’m a dumba$$ and I stuck with the bench too long when we had the lead. I don’t think that anyone on the team outside of Joe is capable of scoring so I decided to let him take 30+% of the team’s shots, and my offense was so predictable that the Mavs were able to key in on Joe and shut us down.”? How about, “I hate Jeff Teague, so I had to go with Bibby down the stretch who was having an awful game to begin with.”? How about “I’m jealous of Al and don’t want him to have any individual success, so I have to make sure that he doesn’t get to shoot the ball, even if it means losing the game.” How about “Joe has been so wonderful for us, he’s playing so well. He’s better than Kobe and Wade combined. He makes Lebron look like Mario West. I love Joe. He’s also been excellent defensively. He should be the frontrunner for MVP and defensive player of the year. Oh, I love Joe so much. Am I starting to blush?”
At least admit what you did you wrong, you sorry excuse for a coach. How about giving your mentor some credit instead of stabbing him the back and pretending to be better? I’m so tired of this guy. I’m pretty much convinced at this point that Drew was the worst choice for a head coach this summer. Thibodeau, Casey, Avery Johnson, Byron Scott, Monty Williams, even Marc Jackson probably would have been better. We are not going to improve unless we get rid of this joke.
Jamal, if you’re reading this, your best bet is to sign with another team after the season. Drew is only going to continue to hurt the team and make you look worse individually. You are clearly not one of his “favorites”, so you’d be better off getting fair treatment with another team that is actually going somewhere.
sam'l
January 30th, 2011
7:13 am
glad I missed this game, but it’s amazing the shift in an entire reality when the Hawks win one game and then lose a game. Really, the world doesn’t change because the Hawks lose a game.
I categorically deny any positive feedback for Woodson…….who ranks as possibly the worse coach ever.
As far as Drew, I feel it’s safe to say he has lost control of the team, his players, certainly management. I would like to be fair, but it’s pretty late in the game.
Replace him……tomorrow. The Hawks need all the edge they can get…….
And for once…..get someone who has authority to run the club.
As far as Marvin Williams…..pretty clear to me……either he’s indifferent or he’s destructive….the only consistent aspect is…..he’s not interested in helping anyone but himself………
Trade, trade, trade……
Yeah, I feel for you Hawks fans…..you, we deserve better…….i mean we could have beaten the Mavericks, right?