Bucks 98, Hawks 90

Greetings, all-

Pretty brutal loss that’s a puzzler to explain. Some quotes from those involved.

Al Horford on losing leads late: “It’s a lessons still being learned, I feel like. I guess when it gets to a point where it hurts you and really bothers you, then you do something about it. I don’t know that we’re there as a team yet.”

Zaza Pachulia: “I believe we didn’t play smart the last couple minutes of the fourth quarter, I’d say the whole fourth quarter. We let them make a run and let them do what they wanted.”

Joe Johnson: “With everybody back, it seems that the flow is a little different. We just had no chemistry throughout the whole game.”

More Johnson: “It honestly wasn’t comfortable. We had a lead. After that, I don’t know what happened.”

Larry Drew: “It was not a good display of shot selection, which we talk about over and over, especially on the road. We settled.”

More Drew: “It was just a total collapse on the defensive end, I thought. We didn’t play with the energy, we didn’t play with the juice, we didn’t play with the intensity that, having been in that situation before, we’ve done in the past.”

- In the aftermath, this is unsettling. The Hawks had their full load of players and the Bucks didn’t have Brandon Jennings and John Salmons. The Hawks had three days’ rest and a six-game road winning streak.

To give a game away like that doesn’t make a lot of sense.

- The shot selection was particularly egregious. It seemed like they got trapped in a mindset that they had to chuck up jumpers to answer Milwaukee, and that obviously wasn’t the answer. Josh Smith was particularly trigger-happy, going 1 for 6 in the fourth, including 0-for-3 from 3-point range.

They were 5-for-22 in the fourth and 0-for-6 from 3-point range.

- The defense wasn’t much better. Earl Boykins and Carlos Delfino outscored the Hawks by themselves, 20-15. The Bucks were patient and worked for free looks at the basket, which they made. Boykins made 4 of 5 shots in the fourth, repeatedly attacking the basket. The Hawks’ 19-point deficit in the fourth was their second largest of the season. (20-point deficit in loss to Detroit Dec. 14)

- I’m not sure what this game means, ultimately. The Magic and Lakers lost to Milwaukee at the Bradley Center earlier this season. The Hawks had won six in a row on the road, so maybe this was bound to happen. Bear in mind this is a team that’s 29-17.

- Or, the Hawks weren’t able/willing to grind against a team that makes you do just that. For all the Bucks’ flaws, they can make teams work offensively. In their loss to Chicago Monday, the Bulls shot 39.5 percent but shot 25 free throws to Milwaukee’s 11 and won by nine points.

293 comments Add your comment

slim

January 27th, 2011
12:52 am

FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AGAIN
Sund=Fail

Jae Evolution

January 27th, 2011
12:52 am

Definitely was not bound to happen, we had this game until the 4th qtr rolled around, then we settled for launching three’s, and going down and getting burned on defense.

Barry

January 27th, 2011
12:53 am

Larry Drew: “It was not a good display of shot selection, which we talk about over and over, especially on the road. We settled.”

LOL, I know who this comment was directed at. I’ll give you a hint, he has the jump shot of Ben Wallace but in his mind he’s got the accuracy of Reggie Miller.

slim

January 27th, 2011
12:54 am

Josh shot the hawks out of this win tonight!!!! Thanks Josh…..Back to the drawing board??

slimjr

January 27th, 2011
12:56 am

just an ugly game again.Maybe a sign of things to come in the playoffs? PLAYOFFS??

slimjr

January 27th, 2011
12:58 am

LD you must know talking to Josh is like talking to concrete wall! Waste of time…Complete….

Barry

January 27th, 2011
1:00 am

If only L.D. had some coconuts, he’d bench Josh to get the point across when Josh was jacking up all of those awful shots.

slimjr

January 27th, 2011
1:02 am

“Enough is enough, Josh. Learn your boundaries already.” AMEN…..

Mr. Fenton

January 27th, 2011
1:03 am

We should start up a trade Josh petition…but, then again, it wouldn’t mean anything considering management is too deprived of knowledge to try and improve the team.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 27th, 2011
1:09 am

“The Hawks had three days’ rest and a six-game road winning streak.”

The Hawks are 4-7 with 2 or more days of rest, and 11-3 on the second game of back to backs.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 27th, 2011
1:11 am

“If only L.D. had some coconuts, he’d bench Josh to get the point across when Josh was jacking up all of those awful shots.”

If anyone else on the team made half the defensive impact that Josh does, maybe he would.

slim son

January 27th, 2011
1:20 am

“If anyone else on the team made half the defensive impact that Josh does, maybe he would.”

Josh is overrated defensively. Keep riding his jock all you want. Think back to how the ice cream man completely owned him in the Houston game. That’s a heck of a defensive impact when your man drops 20 points on you the first half of a game. Quite the defender. LOL. Highlight reel blocks don’t mean everything.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 27th, 2011
1:29 am

“Josh is overrated defensively.”

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_leaders.html

Top 20 in rebounds per game, blocks per game, defensive rebound percentage, total rebound percentage, block percentage, defensive rating, and defensive win shares, and misses top 20 in steals by one spot.

That’s an awful lot of defensive stats in which he is “overrated”.

It’s pretty obvious what a palpable dropoff in team defense the Hawks suffer when Smoove leaves the floor, and the stats — traditional and advanced — back that up.

Reggie

January 27th, 2011
1:32 am

@slim son….shut up, last i checked Josh was runner-up defensive player of the year so how is his defense overrated? Your only defense is his man droped 20 points in a half…so what its the NBA you idiot. And highlight reel blocks means the other team didnt score so that does mean something dummy.

cp

January 27th, 2011
1:38 am

That Horford quote says alot about this team…..smdh@LD. How can he be talking about bad defense, bad shot selection, and no energy when he continues to give the culprits of these acts major minutes. If the guys are not playing d and taking terrible shots then glue them to the bench. New coach same problems.. LD seems to only hold certain guys accountable. LD is like Woodson in many ways.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 27th, 2011
1:41 am

When you have a point guard who can’t guard a three year old, can’t drive inside, doesn’t set up teammates with easy shots, and misses the open three pointers which are at this point the only positive aspect of his game, and that point guard plays 31 minutes, THAT is the biggest problem. It wasn’t Smoove’s man who scored 11 points in the fourth quarter.

The Truth

January 27th, 2011
1:48 am

Josh “enigma” Smith total score 14 pts -4TOs – 4 bad shots selection = 6 total pts

Renaldo

January 27th, 2011
1:53 am

I agree 100% with cp’s 1:38 am post. I’ve been wondering the same things all season long. Where’s the damn accountability that we heard so much about?

James

January 27th, 2011
2:02 am

It’s amazing how Bibby always becomes the scapegoat. No matter how bad Bibby was, you cannot deny the fact that Josh deserves part of the blame for this loss. Bibby’s lack of defense is an issue in every game we play. That’s pretty much a constant theme, but we manage to win a lot of those games regardless of that. Also, you have to keep in mind that as many points as Josh may have prevented with his defense, he likely gave up through bad shots. Think about it. one bad offensive position can generate a fast break and an easy score for the other team . It can lead to as much as a 6-point swing (one missed three point attempt for Hawks leading to a long rebound, a runout and an open 3 for the other team) . Josh took 20 shots, that’s way too many for a guy with his ability. Do you know what Josh’s offensive win share is? I’ll tell you, it’s 1.0. That’s sixth on the team behind Al, Joe, Jamal, Bibby, and even Marvin. I don’t know who Josh thinks he is, but he shouldn’t be leading the team in field goal attempts. There comes a time when you mature and buckle down and play under control if you really want to win. Josh’s erratic and selfish game on the offensive end hurts us just as much as bibby’s horrible defense on the other end when Josh is taking the majority of our team’s shots.

dsee

January 27th, 2011
2:21 am

Send Joe, Jamal & Bibby out of town. Play inside-out offence and real defence. Let Teague take over.

The Truth

January 27th, 2011
2:25 am

Some of this lost is because LD was too slow to adjust the defense. Hawks zone them and they responded knocking down 3’s. The zone was the wrong answer. The Hawks should have also showed some switching defense since Joe had trouble fighting through picks to guard Maggette who was killing him all night. Slow-Joe was just too lackadaisical guarding him; must have been the rust. Also Bibby and Teague both had trouble fighting through picks to guard Boykins. Where was the Hawks wall against guys like this? However, the Bucks best 6th man was the referees who favored the Bucks on that flopping play by Ilyasova late in the 4th quarter.

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Najeh Davenpoop

January 27th, 2011
2:54 am

It’s amazing how Smoove always becomes the scapegoat. No matter how bad Smoove was, you cannot deny the fact that Bibby deserves part of the blame for this loss. Smoove’s shot selection is an issue in every game we play. That’s pretty much a constant theme, but we manage to win a lot of games regardless of that. Also, you have to keep in mind that as many points as Bibby may produce with the occasional 3 (which he hasn’t even been making on a consistent basis recently anyway), he likely gives back even more with his matador defense. Think about it. One bad defensive player can generate an 11 point quarter for a guy who was playing in f-cking Italy one year ago. It can lead to a -14 plus-minus for that player, worst on the team for this game. Do you know how many win shares Bibby gets per 48 minutes? I’ll tell you, it’s 0.105. That’s seventh on the team behind Al, Joe, Jamal, Smoove, Marvin, and even Etan Thomas. I don’t know who Bibby thinks he is, but he shouldn’t be playing 30 minutes per game on a team that wants to contend if he is going to make Earl Boykins look like Nate Archibald. Bibby’s consistently horrible defense game after game hurts the Hawks a hell of a lot more than Smoove’s erratic shot selection, and when he isn’t hitting open 3’s, he has no discernible strength to offset this glaring weakness — unlike Smoove, who is at least a consistent difference maker on the defensive end of the floor.

(I agree that he shouldn’t be leading the team in shot attempts, though.)

Worldwide Clyde

January 27th, 2011
2:54 am

I think I have heard every excuse in the world as to why the Hawks keep getting they azz beat.

northcyde

January 27th, 2011
4:15 am

Seriously Najeh. Smith shot 6 – 20 tonight. And only made one jumper. Of course he’s gonna get ripped to shreads.

While the entire starting unit needs to take full responsibility for that loss, what’s been happening with Smith’s jumper came to a head tonight.

Najeh . . that dude has been shooting bad from the outside for about a month now. That’s why people are angry with him tonight. At the rat he’s shooting, he’s going to be at 42% FG and 32% 3 FG by the time March comes around.

This is NOT the night to be defending that dude. If you want to blame Bibby for not being able to keep up with Boykins, fine. But Smith deserves every bit of venom from the fan base tonight. He just can’t play like that.

Sad to say it, but in the past month, he’s basically shot himself out of an All-Star berth.

superiorblogman

January 27th, 2011
5:00 am

Josh needs to be the one coming off the bench not Marvin. I seriously hate to see Josh with the ball in his hand it spells disaster the overwhelming majority of the time

Willie White

January 27th, 2011
5:38 am

Point is the Hawks suck and always will suck. Get out of town.

JoJo the Godfather

January 27th, 2011
5:49 am

A veteran, playmaking PG would have ran plays away from Josh in the 4th…A veteran, playmaking PG would have had the ball in his hands at the end of the game rather than Horford…How hard would it have been to get past Boykins, draw Bogut, and dish to Horford for the mid-range jumper?

MsDee

January 27th, 2011
6:23 am

Josh made 3 bone head plays towards the end of this game. He shot a 3ptr with a little over 3min left in the game then he thru up a wild layup/bank broad shot that was crazy. LD should have BENCHED him at that very moment!!!! I would NOT have let Josh cost us the game with HIS decision making! Marvin would have sub him IMMEDIATELY!! Now I see why Marvin doesnt want to start coming off the bench, he knows he will be ‘forgotten’ on the bench cause honestly, I FORGOT MARVIN WAS BACK WITH THE TEAM IN THE 2ND HALF!

Eldridge Recasner

January 27th, 2011
6:35 am

Should have told Joe to take a hike and blown the whole thing up last summer.

O'Brien

January 27th, 2011
7:23 am

Najeh, northcyde,

Have you looked at Josh’s trend?

November: 51% from the field, 35% from 3
December: 46% from the field, 39% from 3
January: 41% from the field, 32% from 3

I don’t know if his knee is bothering him, or if it’s because he is spending more time at SF, but he is not the same shooter he was earlier in the season.

He needs to realize that, and adjust his shot selection accordingly.

KevinM

January 27th, 2011
7:27 am

About benching Smoove, you gotta know that LD is not going to bench a ‘captain’. It just isn’t going to happen.

We better get used to it, but we all know Smoove is a better player when he removes the jumper from his game despite him playing minutes at the 3. Opponents will forever continue to give him that long range jumper until he is up to 50%. They probably take their chances at that point too. Just get the ball out of Joe’s hands, and the Hawks can be beat.
Did Teague play last night? Is it me or is it difficult to get a box score from the AJC? Tried nba.com….all zeroes.

Jesse

January 27th, 2011
7:28 am

All of the Hawks players shoot too many jumpers. Not enough of them drive to the basket. They are a jump shot team, and when they are missing their shot they have no chance of winning. Melo, Kobe, Leborn and Wade drive to the basket and draw fouls. We need a player who is willing to do that…. especially when the jumpers aren’t falling.

KevinM

January 27th, 2011
7:28 am

NM, found the box on ajc.

O'Brien

January 27th, 2011
7:35 am

That being said, this was a TEAM loss, and should not be placed at the feet of any one person.

After all these losses, the studio guys always say “LD stayed inside the locker room longer than usual after the game.”

According to Al’s quotes, it seems like LD is wasting his time, because these players shrug these kind of losses off too easily.

In the face of adversity, you never know what to expect. And if the jump shots are not falling, they could be in big trouble, because they dont know how to win many games on defense (Bibby being the biggest reason why).

It was not a bad pick

January 27th, 2011
7:44 am

I told everyone, no way Marvin shold come off the bench for Josh Smith

It was not a bad pick

January 27th, 2011
7:44 am

should….sorry

STRETCH

January 27th, 2011
7:51 am

I keep saying ATL isnt going to go anywhere until they mature. They are growing, but not maturing. And Josh Smith is the main problem, cause he still does not get it.

ATL should trade him ASAP, but they will continue to hope Josh all of a sudden grows up, but he’s a millionaire basketball player and he is not going to listen, so its time to part ways and get something while you can!

Not completly placing all the blame on Josh though, cause the 120 million dollar man is a #2 at best.

Teams have been constantly making moves since the off-season, and Sund likes “our core” so the fans are left with more of the same… a pretty good season then another total collapse in the playoffs.

Trojan

January 27th, 2011
7:52 am

With a jump shooting team, the percentages will tend to decrease as the long NBA season drags on. That is one reason jump shooting teams do not succeed in the playoffs.

Wow, the guards for opposing teams really seem to flourish when they play the Hawks.

It was not a bad pick

January 27th, 2011
7:57 am

Najeh Davenpoop

Josh Smith has been taking bad shots his whole career….I love him as a player, but just like my man BK built a championship caliber team, Sund has done the same, but both hired bad coaches..

terrell

January 27th, 2011
7:57 am

terrell

January 27th, 2011
8:02 am

Youre wrong Jesse. Melo would mess up our chemistry, and he cant play defense like the “core.”. lol!

Section 303

January 27th, 2011
8:24 am

I find Al Horford’s quote above telling. He seems to be saying there is a complete lack of urgency by so many guys on the team. The Hawks kill me with that. “It’s only one game.” “We’ll learn from it”….bullsh#t.

Tired of these guys acting like they are the Lakers are some other team that has actually won something. Hawks have not earned the right to coast. When they coast, they lose. When the good teams coast, they know when to stop. They know how to win. Hawks are not one of those teams.

Again, these idiots can look at games like last night when they are tipping off game 1, of round 1, on the road. Conference is too tight to give away games. And, that’s what they did last night. Totally gave the game away. But, I’m sure they’ll –insert bullsh#t cliche here–

{MAC-Town Georgia 478}

January 27th, 2011
8:28 am

Funny. I read this post game thread and I see that Josh Smith didnt said anything. He must have ran off pouting and didnt want to be interviewed. If he were a real leader he would have been the first one to explain and let it be known that he cost them the game.

{MAC-Town Georgia 478}

January 27th, 2011
8:29 am

terrell

January 27th, 2011
8:30 am

The Hawks have been “learning from it” for years.

terrell

January 27th, 2011
8:32 am

Told yall Horford should’ve been named the captain. LD’s 1st mistake. Josh and Joe cant lead a camel to water.

Geemack

January 27th, 2011
8:33 am

” The Magic and Lakers lost to Milwaukee at the Bradley Center earlier this season.”

Also the Lakers are the 3 times Western Conference champs and 2 time defending NBA champs.

The Magic have played in the Eastern conference finals and played for a championship within the last 2 years.

The Hawks can’t afford these kind of let downs especially when you have an oppurtunity to keep pace with the Magic and gain ground on the Heat and Celtics.

oldmike

January 27th, 2011
8:37 am

Any chance we can make a run at Steve Nash? Suns seem to be leaning towards moving him at the deadline. Imagine him running the show. How much better would this team be?

{MAC-Town Georgia 478}

January 27th, 2011
8:45 am

At this point, we just need some guys that are going to play smart in crunchtime. If we’re gonna revert back to isolations during this time in games, atleast get some players that’ll drive it strong to the basket and get to the line or for a higher % shot.

Dudes are dribbling around then throwing up last minute jumpers and getting shined on by 10-day contract guys.