Atlanta Hawks: Video: Talkin’ Teague and defensive toughness

DWILL and his coach are not seeing eye to eye. He is unhappy in Utah now…Sund needs to make a play for that guy ASAP.. PG problem solved for years to come..

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I would trade Al Horford, JC1, and a first for D Williams in a blink of an eye and take my chances. Al becomes the new Malone under Sloan. And Williams becomes half of the best back court in the NBA with Joe Johnson. In a short instance, you just balanced out your roster, and upgraded your half court offense.

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MC You’re HOT!!!

Good thing I have on my mini skirt tonight!!

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MC says the thing keeping us from being elite is our defense.
In a sense I agree withg him since his answer did not offer
specifics, only saying [defense] in a broad sweeping statement.
Well rebounding is generally considered one of the five *parts
*[components] of defense. Therefore I agree that improving our rebounding is one component that could put us at the elite level.
Also a [Big] that can help clean up on the inside would also aid
our defense. [a sidekick for Al and Josh]
i.e. a shotblocking rebounder.
As my Coach used to tell me;
“Grandad – get in there and clean out the lane!”
Well he actually didn’t call me Grandad back then…but you…
get the picture. (I had very little skill so I played *rugged)
*[that's if rugged rugged means Harvey Dahl was a basketball player]
Back on topic – What I’m saying is;
it’s personnel and not effort or coaching.
Plus I think a [Big] is needed more than a pg.

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Good stuff, MC … as others have said, get a better webcam/microphone and you’ll be a YouTube star!

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Despite Shaq, JO, KG, and Perkins missing a lot of games, the Celtics were able to remain #1 in the East. If they stay healthy, they will be a tough out in the playoffs.

Ironically, they are 30th in rebounding, but 2nd in points allowed. I think they are top 5 in defense though.

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Sunds draft picks are laughable. JC2 might be his best pick ever. lol! Think I might go with Collison over Ridnhour though Northcyde. lol! Mateen freakin Cleaves in the lottery? Wow! How can we expect anything from Teague after looking at that list?

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Slim Jr, you giving up Horford for an OVERWEIGHT DWill? Cause thats what it’ll take. Oh yeah, they dont need Horford in Utah with Milsap and Jefferson, so you can forget about that one. Unless you think Josh Smith is a Sloan type of player?? lol!

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“drmaryb (*_*)

MC You’re HOT!!!

Good thing I have on my mini skirt tonight!!”
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I’m done with talking about Teague, I told yall he has no fire and a I don’t really care attitude. He left school early to make money, he is doing that now, mission accomplished. I hope he can budget the 3.5M wisely over the next 60 years.

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Most leave because they don’t want to learn anything, and view school as get rich quick scheme. I dint leave until I graduated. It all depends on your intentions and motivation. Al stayed 4 years and came NBA ready, look at his pay check verses what Teague’s will be after 3 years.

PG is the one position you should get good at before coming to the NBA. Teague could have been a starter for four years, but he didn’t choose that option. So, why cry for him?

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I for one hope the blog doesnt go to video. Im stationed in Belgium and couldnt access the video because its not supported in this country. I hope this is not going to be the normal because its would suck being me.

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First of All, good job on the interview MC. You did seem very well informed, but I do not like that there was no mention of the amount of injuries the Hawks have had to endure. That Hornets game was the first all year without Horford and we got our lunch eaten(so to speak), but we made adjustments and owned Charlotte the very next game(back to back I might add). That is the theme of the year-making the necessary adjustments. In prior years, that kind of loss could easily have lingered for weeks, but it is different this year.

Furthermore, you talked about statistics(defensive efficiency) but the fact is that the Hawks have as many road wins as any team in the entire NBA with 15, have played more back-to-back games so far then anyone(with a 9-4 record) and have an impressive 14-8 record at home. Considering all the injuries I do not think the season could be going any better and the Hawks are playing their best ball right now(8-2 in January) and it is no coincidence that so is Joe Johnson.

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Dr. Mary, Teague couldnt of been a starter for 4 years at pg. Ishmael Smith was the starter. Teague started when Smith got hurt. Teague was the sg. And btw, just a few seconds ago, you said he left early to get paid, and now all of a sudden you dont care why he left. lol! You woulda left early too if you had 3 mill staring you right in the face. lol!

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Correction: Why in the hell did we draft him then, if we were’nt going to let him develop? The Spurs are in “win now” mode. Does that stop Pop from developing players? Hell to the naw!

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Section 303
10:12 pm
“Najeh, don’t forget, Teague was the 19th pick in the draft. How many guys picked at #19 have really turned out”

I got curious as to how many #19s there were in the association for any amount of time…based on this list…..OUCH!

All-time NBA #19 draft picks-since Michael Jordan-#3 in ‘84
Avery Bradley-BOS
’09-Jeff Teague-ATL
JJ Hickson-CLE
Javaris Crittendon – LAL
Quincy Douby – SAC
Hakim Warrick-MEM
Dorrell Wright-MIA
Aleksandar Pavlovic-UTA
Ryan Humphrey-UTA
Zach Randolph-POR
Jamaal Magloire-CHA
Quincy Lewis-UTA
Pat Garrity-MIL
Scot Pollard-DET
Walter McCarty-NYK
Randolph Childress-DET
Tony Dumas-DAL
Acie Earl-BOS
Don McLean-DET
LaBradford Smith-WAS
Dee Brown-BOS
Kenny Payne-PHI
Rod Strickland-NYK
Ken Norman-LAC
’86-Billy Thompson-ATL
Steve Harris-HOU
Bernard Thompson-POR

Anyone remember high flyer Billy Thompson? 6 seasons, 8.5 ppg, 300 career games, and not one game played as a Hawk…traded to Lakers on draft day and won 2 championship rings. That was when the league had 7 rounds in the NBA draft also.

Not that this makes us feel any better about the future of Teague, but Utah, Detroit and Boston had their share of clunkers as well. This tells you in advance if the have the 19th slot, trade it, quickly! The odds are horrible.

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Aaah… The Hawks are not The Spurs. And, Pop has never yearned for a PG and Center. Heck, he was so Lucky, he had Twin Towers his first year as Coach!

Make a better argument, Terrell. Why the obsession with Teague, he’s a millionaire, he’ll be just fine without your tears. I don’t see him complaining about any playing time.

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Melo would be nice, but I’d rather the Hawks work a trade for Gerald Wallace. That is the highest quality player that fits what the Hawks are doing, and that we could obtain without having to give up JJ, Josh, or Al.

He provides a need with rebounding and defense, and with he and Josh in the starting line-up, the Hawks instantly become an improved defensive team. On top of that, the guy just makes very good decisions, which is my biggest knock on Marvin sometimes. He would put the Hawks right up there with the Celtics and Heat (IMO).

And it may be more likely to get done because the Hawks could remain under the luxury tax.

ESPN Trade Machine says we’d drop down 2 wins if you trade him straight up for Jamal, but i don’t see it happening if you bring JC2 into a consistent off the bench scoring role.

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O’brien, Boston is died last in rebounding, so I don’t think that stat has much meaning! I think MC is right in that offensive and defensive efficiency is more telling.

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How ironic that another Wake Forest PG was a #19 pick ( Randolph Childress ).

To this day, he’s still put on one of the best shooting performances I’ve ever seen in a conference tournament. It was the ACC Tournament I believe in 1994 or 95, and Randolph looked like the best shooter on the planet. That dude was knocking down 3s all over the place and virtually willing Wake Forest to victories in that tourney. I remember watching him in college, and was just in awe.

He got to the pros, and couldn’t even get his shot off against the quicker PGs in the league. And he had no shot defending them. He didn’t even score a total of 125 points in his brief 2 year career in the NBA.

Here is a good write-up on Randolph along with a youtube clip of his game vs N. Carolina in that ACC Tourney. This is very good stuff. But it proves how great college players sometimes don’t pan out at all on the next level.

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I have stated many times, that defense is not what has kept us from advancing in the playoffs. We have been destroyed in the second round the last two years because we can’t score. Teams double and triple Joe, leave Marvin open, and live with Josh, Al and Bibby taking jumpshots. We averaged in the high 70’s one series, and the low 80’s in another series. The Hawks are too easy to shut down by teams who really understand how to play defense. We have no player in the starting lineup who can consistently take his man off the dribble and get to the rim. Joe can, but he does not want to attack the rim for some reason. We have a team full of jumpshooters, and if the shots are not falling we will continue to be dominated in the playoffs. All we really need is a point guard or a wing player who can take his man off the dribble, and get to the lane and finish. You can’t win shooting jumpshots the majority of the time in a series.

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I’m still finding it extremely hard to believe the Atlanta Hawks are somehow better off keeping a young, quick, fast, talented, athletic PG with potential firmly attached to the bench, because he’s not considered aggressive enough on the court or in knocking LDrews door down and asking why. This is especially puzzling when the alternative is a slow, unathletic, way past his prime PG that doesn’t penetrate, play DEF, create for others, and is limited to shooting 3’s.

How can Teague be punished for not being aggressive enough on OFF or DEF, when Bibby isn’t aggressive. I wouldn’t call:
1-bringing the ball across half and routinely handing it off the either JJ or Jamal beyond the 3pt line, or
2-seldom driving into the lane or going below the 3pt line with the ball, or
3-limiting his OFF contributions to shooting 3’s, or
4-grabbing and fouling players as the blow by him being aggressive.

There’s absolutely no way you can say that an NBA PG is or has been aggressive if he’s averaged 30+MPG over the last 1.5yrs and managed to total 9.1/10PPG, and 3.9/4APG respectively.There’s definitely a reason every team, when on OFF, targets Bibby above all other Hawk players. There’s also a reason every team, when on DEF, uses whoever’s guarding him to execute double teams.

The only way for the Hawks to improve without a specific upgrade at PG is to utiliize the combined skills and talents of both Bibby and Teague, not just one or the other. It’s also amazing to me how quickly some of you are so quick to ASS-U-ME Teague doesn’t care just because he isn’t making a big issue of what’s going on. I guess based on that ASSUMTION, JJ doesn’t care about getting fouled and not getting the call, since he doesn’t make a big issue of it by arguing with the refs.

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Total rebounding isn’t the most important stat about rebounding, because if you’re real good offensively, you’re normally not going to have a lot of chances to get offensive rebounds.

We were the exception last year, with our great offensive rebounding rate. But look at the teams who rank in the bottom 1/3rd in total rebounding:

BOSTON is kind of an anomoly. They’re dead last in rebounding. But that’s mainly because they’re far and away the best shooting team in the league. They’re #1 in eFG% ( and overall FG% ), but 29th in offensive rebound %.

They don’t miss as many shots as other teams, thus, they don’t get many offensive boards. We’ll see if this changes with Perkins back in the lineup, and especially when their entire frontline is healthy.

When it comes to rebounding, the big thing is DEFENSIVE rebounding.

Boston is 9th in defensive rebounding % . . and 3rd in defensive eFG%. Most of your real good defending teams, also rebound the ball well on the defensive end. This is what makes Boston tough ( and damn near unstoppable, if they can get all of their big people healthy at once ).

The Hawks currently rank 10th in defensive eFG% and 14th in defensive rebounding %. Last year, we were 16th in defensive eFG% and 24th in defensive rebounding %.

So far, we’re trending in the right direction defensively, despite all of our “issues”. But we’ll see how much this changes, when we consistently start playing better teams.

By the way . . .

Chicago, Miami, and Boston are #1, #2, and #3 in defensive rebounding %. Orlando is #7.

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The Pacers are trying to move Ford now that they feel comfortable with Price and rookie Lance Stephenson as the second and third point guards.

Ford declined the Pacers’ offer to buy out his contract for about $3 million less than his current salary last summer. He is receptive to a trade instead of spending the rest of the season on the bench.

“By making the decision (of sitting me), I would hope that’s the case,” he said. “I don’t see why it would be best for me to be here the whole year. That’s their call. Either way it goes, I’m here and I’m going to still stay ready because anything can happen at any given moment.”

No Pacer has had more of an up-and-down relationship with O’Brien than Ford. At the end of the 2008-09 season, Ford was benched in favor of Jarrett Jack. Two months into last season, Ford lost his job to Earl Watson.

Ford hasn’t been a locker room distraction, and he’s a huge supporter of Price and Stephenson.

“That’s not me. I’m not going to make it all about me,” Ford said. “Things haven’t gone the way I would have liked them to, but that’s the way it goes.”

A few weeks ago, Ford was one of O’Brien’s favorites.

O’Brien preferred to use Ford in the fourth quarter of close games over starter Darren Collison because Ford had the experience advantage.

“T.J. Ford has played very well for us,” O’Brien said. “He’s our best defender from the point guard spot. But A.J. has certain things he can do that T.J. can’t do. You have to attempt to win every game and develop a nucleus.”

Ford is averaging 5.8 points and 3.6 assists in 19.5 minutes a game this season.

“Pretty much, I understand that the time is up here,” he said. “I can just sit here. I was in the same situation last year. I’ll continue to cheer guys on because I want to see A.J. and Lance do well. They’re part of the future. Under the circumstances, I’ll still come to work every day and be professional about it.”

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KevinM

LD has his future PG in JC2, but he can’t tell ASG that after he promised to develop Teague. Do you any coach was going to get this job without the promise of developing Teague….HELL NO!

ASG saw what he did in the Cavs game last year and are probably convinced they got a steal at #19.

Catch22
How does LD justify give quality minutes to his real PG of the future JC2, while not giving minutes to ASG’S PG of the future….HE CAN’T, SO THEY BOTH RIDE THE PINE.

LD is probably hoping to have greater post-season success, so he can have enough leverage to trade Teague… If he can win more with Bibby as his PG, then JC2 is an easy sell(Bibby Clone)

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Najeh, I stand corrected. You’re right. Plenty of solid players have been drafted at #19 or lower. I knew that. Dumb comment by me.

As for Sund’s draft history, I guess we should not be surprised it is not that good. The guy said himself that he “does not watch much college basketball.” I’m sorry, how can you be an NBA GM and not watch much college basketball? I cringed when Sund said that.

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