Atlanta Hawks: Video: Talkin’ Teague and defensive toughness

I discussed the Hawks with CineSport’s Noah Coslov. This is my first crack at this video thing so don’t judge too harshly, blog people. There’s a reason I write instead of talk.

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Jed

January 25th, 2011
7:39 pm

Jed

January 25th, 2011
7:46 pm

Can’t believe I got first on here–long time reader, first time poster. I was bummed when Sekou hopped on out of here, but have been very, very pleased with the reportage, MC. Thanks for posting this video. I come away feeling clearer about Teague than with any of your comments in print. Reading between the lines, I had gotten the feeling that either Drew & Teague were being diplomatic about the topic and/or maybe you were having to be diplomatic in what you wrote.

I do understand, though, what Drew is talking about: it’s not just the ability to stay in front of your man, but the attitude: Having enough nastiness–enough Exel-ness?–to disrupt the ballhandler no matter what. And if he isn’t mad about not playing, maybe that’s what Drew is looking for–for him to ball his fists up a little bit.

William Sevidal

January 25th, 2011
7:56 pm

MC vlogging now?!

Sad to hear about Teague being passive and basically not caring about how much minutes he gets. If Teague continues to develop this way, the Hawks have got to look at Free Agency or via trade for a better young point guard prospect. Mike Bibby has shot lights out this year (he should make the 3 point shootout by the way), but like MC said, the Hawks’ defense is a big part from what separates the Hawks from the contenders. With Bibby continuing to play pretty heavy minutes, the defense will continue to be slightly above sub-par.

niremetal

January 25th, 2011
7:56 pm

Dude, you need a haircut.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 25th, 2011
7:59 pm

Good stuff. You need a better microphone, though.

ATL FAN

January 25th, 2011
8:02 pm

Oldtimer

January 25th, 2011
8:06 pm

Love the talk. Thank-you for great stuff. I second Najeh, please invest in better microphone :)

Kozlov

January 25th, 2011
8:07 pm

DUDE YOU SUCK no jk nice job MC

Oldtimer

January 25th, 2011
8:07 pm

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Nookah

January 25th, 2011
8:09 pm

Astro Joe

January 25th, 2011
8:29 pm

MC, next time wear something that doesn’t look like a prison shirt. Good stuff, otherwise.

northcyde

January 25th, 2011
8:33 pm

That’s the difference between Teague and even Acie . . and Salim. Salim used to get pizzed about not playing, and when he got onto the court, he’d at least give the effort. He just couldn’t get it done.

Law and Teague are/were just way too passive out on the floor. It’s like I said yesterday, even if Teague doesn’t have control of the ball on offense, he could at least take it upon himself to be the defensive leader of the 2nd unit.

But that’s the problem . . . he’s not a defensive player. He’s just slightly a better defender than Bibby . . which doesn’t necessarily make him a good defensive option to put out on the floor.

It’s incredible that Mario West, a dude that was complete garbage on offense, played so hard, that people instantly noticed when he was out on the floor on defense. Even if he committed a foul, it wasn’t a foul because he was lazy. It was a foul because he was a little too aggressive.

Another high quality professional job done by MC. Good job man.

Section 303

January 25th, 2011
8:36 pm

Good work, Michael. I would like to see more stuff like that.

Might be time to write off Teague. In recent Hawks history, guys who do not play are usually guys who just aren’t that good (Stoudimire (sp?), Law). I’m not counting on Teague. It’s time to look some place else.

I still think there will be a trade sometime before the deadline. I just do not see the Hawks not making some sort of move.

O'Brien

January 25th, 2011
8:39 pm

AJ,

Good point by MC in that even if LD hasnt said anything to Teague in a while (which LD said he has), Teague should be in LD’s office everyday asking LD “what do I need to do”, basically showing that hunger for PT.

But Teague seems really laid back, and passive. And we need more aggressiveness from him.

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i_am_soulstar

January 25th, 2011
8:50 pm

Lol everyone’s a critic

The Truth

January 25th, 2011
8:54 pm

So in conclusion, AC Law = Jeff Teague 1.1

Najeh Davenpoop

January 25th, 2011
9:00 pm

If the problem is that Teague is not good enough or doesn’t care enough, then the Hawks have an issue to address at GM and in the scouting department. They cannot continue to p-ss away first round picks forever. We don’t need this team to do with point guards what the Detroit Lions did with wide receivers.

Blast

January 25th, 2011
9:09 pm

Obama! State of the Union! Much love, Mr. President!

Big Ray

January 25th, 2011
9:13 pm

If the problem is that Teague is not good enough or doesn’t care enough, then the Hawks have an issue to address at GM and in the scouting department. They cannot continue to p-ss away first round picks forever. We don’t need this team to do with point guards what the Detroit Lions did with wide receivers.

YEP

The Truth

January 25th, 2011
9:15 pm

LOL, Seems like LD is disappointed about the discovery that Jeff Teague inner dog is turning out to be an inner pssy (cat that is) ROF!!

ILL-Logical

January 25th, 2011
9:17 pm

MC: nice piece-now we know what you look like,how you sound and how you respond in an interview session albeit on the recieving end.

ILL-Logical

January 25th, 2011
9:17 pm

Ra'mon

January 25th, 2011
9:32 pm

The funny part about Acie and Teague is they both were aggressive before their injuries. The first few months, Acie was truly looking promising and playing aggressive. But after that first injury, it never seemed as if he regained his confidence. Teague was reportedly playing wonderful in pick up games and showing improvements. But after his injury in preseason, he hasn’t shown that same ability. I was one who really believed Acie was going to be a Rod Strickland type of point guard during his career.

Ra'mon

January 25th, 2011
9:37 pm

Pape Sy seems like he’s adjusted to the D-League finally. Seems as if he’s getting used to the speed of the game in the States compared to Euro. He shoots high percentages from the field. And is doing extraordinary from the free throw line as well.

brigadierjerry

January 25th, 2011
9:38 pm

I am not sure it is demeanor with Tague as much as is with skill. I can remember backup point guards such as Charlie Ward, Earl Boykins who is still playing Speedy Claxton, even Mike James. You have to excel at one aspect of the game. If it isnt making a jump shot consistently then it is pushing the ball or setting up teammates or playing defense. Teague is probably best in an uptempo system. He has to bring something to the table to be able to last in this league. If he is willing to work hard at different aspects of his game he can be an adequete backup. There isnt any reason he cant be a Lindsey Hunter type of player who played good defense and can hit a jump shot ever so often

Michael Cunningham

January 25th, 2011
9:40 pm

@Jed: “I was bummed when Sekou hopped on out of here, but have been very, very pleased with the reportage, MC. Thanks for posting this video. I come away feeling clearer about Teague than with any of your comments in print. Reading between the lines, I had gotten the feeling that either Drew & Teague were being diplomatic about the topic and/or maybe you were having to be diplomatic in what you wrote.”

thanks for the compliments. . . . certainly Drew must consider how his comments might affect the team but i am free from such considerations. i’ve been asking the questions about Teague but it seems much of the dissatisfaction among my blog people re: Drew’s explanations are because you disagree with his reasoning or don’t understand it. i get that.

Michael Cunningham

January 25th, 2011
9:42 pm

@niremetal: “Dude, you need a haircut.”

or better hair, perhaps. there’s only so much my barber can do.

Gutz

January 25th, 2011
9:42 pm

MC, is there any truth to the rumor the Hawks have contacted/discussed a trade for Melo with Denver?

KevinM

January 25th, 2011
9:43 pm

LD is sucking the energy out of JT for every time he gets a DNP and watches JC2 get PG minutes.
If JT is confused about his role, then not much anyone can tell him. All the preseason and summer league hype again doesn’t transfer under the current Hawk head coach.
A perception north of Atlanta…Falcons gear on sale 25% off after their season ending loss…
And Hawks jerseys are on 75% clearance north of the city at a retail store near you…come get your captain Joe and captain Al jerseys…big time savings. Its not even the all-star break!!
What does that tell you about the support for the current makeup of this roster?

Michael Cunningham

January 25th, 2011
9:43 pm

@Najeh: “Good stuff. You need a better microphone, though.”

yeah, the audio sucked. or maybe i’m not loud enough. either way, we will work on that for the next vid.

Michael Cunningham

January 25th, 2011
9:45 pm

@AJ: “MC, next time wear something that doesn’t look like a prison shirt. Good stuff, otherwise.”

ha . . . an effect amplified by those shadows across my chest. i tried to tell them about that but they wouldn’t listen.

Leo

January 25th, 2011
9:53 pm

Just because a guy is not overly aggressive does not mean the guy isn’t hungry. I disagree with Drew on Teague, just like I disagreed with Woodson on Law. Give them a chance to play. Help these guys develop and stop f-ing there careers up before they get started.

Subhas Nair

January 25th, 2011
9:57 pm

This video cannot be viewed in my current country or location. Do you guys have an alternate link to the video? I would love to hear your take on our point guard/Teague situation. Thanks MC. Leggo ATL!

pinoy hawk

January 25th, 2011
10:10 pm

+1 @ Nair. can’t view the video from my location.

MC any update on the”preliminary talks” for Melo trade stuff?

Section 303

January 25th, 2011
10:12 pm

Najeh, don’t forget, Teague was the 19th pick in the draft. How many guys picked at #19 have really turned out.

I’m far from a Sund fan, but I can’t knock him for missing on a 19th pick. But, I did want the team to draft Maynor, who is way better than Teague.

dap01

January 25th, 2011
10:13 pm

Yeah and Bibby is a great defender (actually Bibby is probably the worst in the NBA and that is not an exaggeration).

dap01

January 25th, 2011
10:16 pm

AC and Teague were both agressive PG’s before there tenure with the Hawks. Perhaps the common thread is Larry Drew.

Reguardless, with our present pg situation we will again suck in the playoffs. There are no short cuts in the NBA, you can not win with a jump shooting team with poor defense.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 25th, 2011
10:24 pm

“I was one who really believed Acie was going to be a Rod Strickland type of point guard during his career.”

Same here. I can’t say I’m shocked that Teague has struggled a little; I thought he was a very talented scorer in college who would be a work in progress as a point guard. (Didn’t think he would struggle this much though.) But I really thought Acie was the real deal. The guy straight up carried his team in college, made big shot after big shot, made his teammates better… pretty much everything you want in a point guard. I thought he would be Chauncey Billups. So much for that…

Worldwide Clyde

January 25th, 2011
10:30 pm

I suppose Drew wants Bibby to play better defense too.

westurd

January 25th, 2011
10:35 pm

Yo MC…..don’t forget to breath dude.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 25th, 2011
10:40 pm

“Najeh, don’t forget, Teague was the 19th pick in the draft. How many guys picked at #19 have really turned out.”

Off the top of my head, Darren Collison was picked after Teague in the same draft and he is a solid if unspectacular starter in this league. Rajon Rondo was picked #21. Jameer Nelson was picked #20. Even Steve Nash was picked outside the lottery, something like #16 or #17. I’m pretty sure Sam Cassell was picked in the 20s somewhere. And I’m only talking about point guards here — there is a laundry list of players at other positions who have been picked at #19 or later and have succeeded in the league.

It’s one thing to give the GM a pass for missing on a second round pick; the second round is more or less a crapshoot. First round picks, though, are given guaranteed contracts. In any pro sport that has a rookie salary scale, first round draft picks are the single biggest bargains in the league. A good GM should be able to hit on a majority of his first round picks.

Here are Sund’s first round picks this decade:

Detroit, 2000: Mateen Cleaves, #14 overall
Seattle, 2001: Vladimir Radmanovic, #12 overall
Seattle, 2003: Nick Collison, #12 overall
Seattle, 2003: Luke Ridnour, #14 overall
Seattle, 2004: Robert Swift, #12 overall
Seattle, 2005: Johan Petro, #25 overall
Seattle, 2006: Saer Sene, #10 overall
Atlanta, 2009: Jeff Teague, #19 overall
Atlanta, 2010: Jordan Crawford, #27 overall

Granted, he’s had much better success over the past decade when it comes to trades, having pulled off the Ben Wallace trade in Detroit and the Jamal Crawford trade here. But still, that’s a pretty p-ss poor draft record if you ask me.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 25th, 2011
10:54 pm

In fact, just going through the last 6 years, I can point to Darren Collison, Rodrigue Beaubois, Toney Douglas, Taj Gibson, Ryan Anderson, Courtney Lee, Nicolas Batum, George Hill, Serge Ibaka, Jared Dudley, Wilson Chandler, Rudy Fernandez, Aaron Brooks, Arron Afflalo, Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, Hakim Warrick, Nate Robinson, Jarrett Jack, Francisco Garcia, Linas Kleiza, and David Lee as first round picks picked at #19 or later who developed into at least solid rotation players. And none of this includes second round picks who developed into solid players, like Carl Landry or Monta Ellis.

kwooden1

January 25th, 2011
11:11 pm

Jed, I agree with you on Teague. I think Drew is trying another motivation technique with Teague. They all started out with encouraging Jeff and letting him know that he’s wanted and needed. Now they are saying shows us that you really want to be needed and wanted. I think that Jeff is slowly starting to get a better understanding of his skills and what he needs to do on the court, I just think it will take sometime for him to put everything together. To me its similar to watching JaVale McGee avg only 8 rebounds a game. His talent is obvious, but JaVale just hasn’t figure out how to use his abilities. I think Jeff’s in the same boat.

GO HAWKS!

kwooden1

January 25th, 2011
11:15 pm

With all that said, I think LD just wants Jeff to play better defensive. If he does that, I guarantee he’ll never get another DNP!

northcyde

January 25th, 2011
11:18 pm

That is absolutely scary that the best Sund pick in the last 6 years, is Luke Ridnour.

Leo . . yes it does. Because you have to be aggressive out on the court. Even if he’s not the most outgoing person in the world, the switch has to flip out on the court, and show in his play.

Mike Singletary was as mild-mannered as could be outside of the field. But get him on the field, and he was a MONSTER.

Point guard is a position of leadership in basketball. You show me a non-leader at PG, and I’ll show you a guy whose team possibly struggles.

As much ish people talk about Bibby, it is not a conicidence AT ALL that the Hawks finally started playing winning basketball, when he arrived.

After years of tossing out a young Jason Terry, Tyronn Lue, Tony Delk, Royal Ivey, Salim Stoudamire ( out of position ), Anthony Johnson ( who was a leader, but just didn’t have the talent ), even Josh Childress at times . . as soon as Bibby arrived, things started to change.

Not immediately, because he was hurt. But after about 2 weeks of being here, this team has won at least 60% of their games since his arrival.

Why? Because he’s a leader. Maybe not the best PG in the world, but he does have leadership abilities.

northcyde

January 25th, 2011
11:21 pm

And I was the biggest Acie Law fan in the world. But there were times where I would go to games, and he’d come on the floor, and I would be screaming “TAKE HIM!! TAKE HIM OFF THE DRIBBLE ACIE!!”

And he wouldn’t do anything but do a hesitation dribble, and pass the ball off. Then, when he would finally decide to go to the hole, he’d either commit an offensive foul, or miss the layup at the rim.

But the last straw was when he let Anthony Johnson basically outplay him, and take the rest of his playing time. After that, I just had to give up on dude.

BosnianBaller

January 25th, 2011
11:23 pm

Forget teague let me just say that Chris Kaman is avaialble for trade. And we need a big man.

cp

January 25th, 2011
11:25 pm

Teague just needs to get it together and play. I think at times he is trying not to make mistakes and in doing so he is making mistakes. Dude needs to look at the tape of that Boston game and play with that type of energy and passion all the time. That was the only game ive seen from him where he showed some of the aggressivness he had at Wake. Its on him to turn it around.

Rufus1

January 26th, 2011
12:33 am

It is the coaches…not Teague!

It has been 7 years and we have not developed a young PG yet, but some of you are still saying it is the players fault. Do you expect me to believe, that of all the PG that were drafted with Teague, we picked the ONLY BAD ONE……REALLY??

If both your both of your 1st draft picks are having the exact same problems and we are told the exact same reasons….I AM SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE IT IS JUST COINCIDENCE….REALLY???

Utah is a PG factory….but in 7 years we have developed one, and it is the players fault….REALLY?

Go back and chack the quotes from Woody about Law, they sound just like LD and Teague.

IF HE DIDN’T GET IN THE ROTATION AFTER THE BOSTON GAME, THAT IS NOT HIS FAULT.

He doesn’t know LD wants. Bibby goes 1 for 5, 2 pts, but plays 35min….Then Teague scores 7pts, in 10min in the 1st half, but doesn’t play in the 2nd half or for the next 4 games….WHAT IS HE SUPPOSED TO THINK, HE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO, HE IS CONFUSED…………… AND SO AM I.