Atlanta Hawks: They should soon be whole again

Al returned to practice today. Marvin was cleared for contact (though there was no contact today). J.J. (knee) and Smoove (knee) sat out, but since the former finished the game Saturday at Charlotte after he banged his knee and the latter played Saturday after he was dinged on Friday they both should be good to go.

“For the most part, I think everybody is going to be OK,” L.D. said. “Should have everybody back tomorrow.”

It’s been a minute since he could say that. The regular starters (Bibby, J.J., Marvin, Smoove and Al) have been available at the same for just 21 games (19 games as the starting unit and the two games when Marvin came off the bench). It hasn’t happened since Dec. 29. Add super sub Jamal to the mix and the Hawks have had their top six available for just 15 games.

So how are the injured guys feeling?

Al: “It’s getting there. I was able to do pretty much the whole practice. It looks good for Wednesday.”

Joe: “It’s still a little sore today so I just wanted to get treatment today and take advantage of these few days off. I don’t know what happened [on the play]. I thought my knee hit the floor during the play. I don’t really remember. I know it just got banged.”

Marvin: “I feel good. I haven’t had any pain probably in a week now. I am starting to get my strength back, my conditioning is coming back. I am excited.”

Smoove, smart vet that he is, used a J.J. screen in the locker room to shake us media types and slipped off into the players’ area. The Hawks said Josh suffered a hyperextended knee against the Hornets. He seemed to walking without much trouble.

Josh Powell practiced today, too, after L.D. suspended him for the Charlotte game. No word on the details of their conversation following the New Orleans game. Players were surprised to learn on the team plane that Powell wouldn’t be making the trip.

L.D. said that’s the end of it: “Everything is back to normal. It is not one of those situations of making it a prolonged thing. There is no grudges. I’ve still got to coach him; he’s still my player. We will go back to business as usual. I think that’s the way you handle it, the way you deal with it.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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Westurd

January 24th, 2011
4:59 pm

only losers call first

Westurd

January 24th, 2011
4:59 pm

Westurd

January 24th, 2011
5:00 pm

Any word on their mental strength getting healthier and stronger? I think we need them to start getting mentally tough to go with their physicality.

ILL-Logical

January 24th, 2011
5:01 pm

MC: Thanks for the update. Was there any discussion of what the starting line up be Wednesday?

Ra'mon

January 24th, 2011
5:14 pm

Great post MC.

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ToeKnee

January 24th, 2011
5:23 pm

Pretty sure Powell was convinced to come here (and I realize how funny it is that we had to work to get him) with the promise of playing time. Even though he rarely played well, LD kept going to him, while everyone watching kept wondering why. He has somewhat recently (past few weeks) taken him out of the rotation and the team has played well. I think Powell most likely confronted Drew about his decreased playing time, and that lead to the suspension. What do yall think?

Michael Cunningham

January 24th, 2011
5:25 pm

@ILL_Logical: “Was there any discussion of what the starting line up be Wednesday?”

L.D.: “That first game, I thought the lineup we did use wasn’t as effective as our big lineup. We elected to go with the big last time at their place. Will we start that way? I haven’t made a decision yet but I’m sure at some point we will get to to that lineup.”

steve brown

January 24th, 2011
5:28 pm

I’m finding it hard to keep my level of support for the Hawks and the Thrashers after finding out what lying dirt bags the owners are. Why should we care anymore?

Elite Vince

January 24th, 2011
5:32 pm

Now if we can have the big line up permanently and Super subs Jamal joined by Marvin off the bench. I think our future will be so bright we might need shades.

lewis

January 24th, 2011
5:33 pm

If haha pachulia could hit a layup, this team would be a contender

JeJe

January 24th, 2011
5:42 pm

Some QBs played a season with one leg.

Marvin has missed 4 weeks with a bruised back. LOL

Rufus1

January 24th, 2011
5:45 pm

MC I would like you to ask LD if he thinks JC2 could transition to a PG in the NBA…(In the Bibby mold).

I think in LD’s mind JC2 is the future PG for his offense.

Jase

January 24th, 2011
5:48 pm

Michael Cunningham

January 24th, 2011
5:52 pm

@Rufus1: “MC I would like you to ask LD if he thinks JC2 could transition to a PG in the NBA…(In the Bibby mold).”

asked him this before. he quickly said no. says JC2 is strictly a 2.

bigdave

January 24th, 2011
5:59 pm

“I haven’t had any pain probably in a week ”

Marvin G. Williams.

tbhawksfan

January 24th, 2011
6:11 pm

Best first to Westurd. Nice to get everyone together. A game or two to get back in sync and a streak…

The Truth

January 24th, 2011
6:23 pm

Joe: “It’s still a little sore today so I just wanted to get treatment today and take advantage of these few days off. I don’t know what happened [on the play]. I thought my knee hit the floor during the play. I don’t really remember. I know it just got banged.”

Joe watching the play in slow-mo, exactly you got kicked in the knee by your defender on the way down. The injured knee never made much contact with the floor.

The Truth

January 24th, 2011
6:26 pm

Marvin: “I feel good. I haven’t had any pain probably in a week now. I am starting to get my strength back, my conditioning is coming back. I am excited.”

These back injuries are nothing to play with, asked Jamal.

Sautee

January 24th, 2011
6:41 pm

From the last blog:

SteveW,

If Larry Brown is such a PG killer, then wtf explains Chauncey Billups, who blossomed under Larry Brown from a journeyman PG to a solid All-Pro?

And did he “ruin” Allen Iverson at Philly?

How about Mark Jackson in Indiana? Did Brown “kill” his career?

Larry Brown as PG killer is a hugely wrong characterization, IMO. If you want to say that his system failed to bring out the best in Felton and Augustine, ok, I’ll buy that. But look at the PGs this man has coached. No way has he been a PG killer.

You are not giving the coaches nearly enough credit for any improvements and ALL of the blame for the players’ faults.

But if Teague could play anywhere CLOSE to Billups, Iverson, or Mark Jackson, then I don’t think you’d see LD “holding him back”. Most of what’s holding Teague back is within himself.

SteveW

January 24th, 2011
6:54 pm

Sautee if you have read the entirety of all of my comment, you know that I said he only kills PG’s that need developing, but he uses the stars. Let me give you a couple of quotes from Wiki:

Quote 1, “In 2005, Allen Iverson, who frequently clashed with Brown in Philadelphia,…”

So there is your Iverson thing.

Quote 2, “Despite Brown’s prowess in coaching and handling different egos and personalities, Brown has often been questioned for not playing rookies. He is also known for being hard on his point guards.”

Sound familiar? Ask LD.

Sautee, you said, “Most of what’s holding Teague back is within himself.”

I just strongly disagree with that statement. And occasionally 2 folks disagree, and only time will tell. But I’m sure I’m correct.

vava74

January 24th, 2011
6:56 pm

Sautee,

If you don’t mind my two grains of salt in your conversation with stevebrown:

LBrown is known… no, he is notorious, for getting on all PGs’ grills to the point of both parties having mutual death wishes.

All because he was a PG back on his playing days and his habit to demand that everyone, independently of their physical and/or technical characteristics play according to his mold.

Also, a few more commentaries to your post:

Billups blossomed under Carlisle. LB merely finished the job.

Iverson was shifted to the SG slot. The PG slot was occupied almost exclusively by Snow.

Mark Jackson was a veteran, LB’s fame is mostly true with younger less proven and less established PGs.

SteveW

January 24th, 2011
7:03 pm

Sautee – I Co-sign what Vava74 said.

And LD has the same gene

SteveW

January 24th, 2011
7:15 pm

Big Ray – It’s called stats. Teague in college shot the trey much better than Jordan Crawford (44.1% to 39.1%), and he spent the off season working with Conner on his trey.

This is what Larry Drew said on Oct 25th about Jeff Teague according to AJC,

“Drew said Teague “was playing like a man on a mission” before the injury…”

“Drew said. “When he is aggressive and when he is attacking and he is not thinking about what he is supposed to be doing out there, he is much more effective than what he has shown the last couple of games.”

This is LD. He was the 1st one to camp as a rookie. Worked on his D and jumpshooting this off season. Went to Summer League. Has kept a great attitude. What more do you want from the kid?

How to develop Jeff Teague, say “Jeff, you are playing Chris Paul tonight. You will get 5-6 minutes in the 1st half, and 3 in the 2nd. In those minutes, I want you to become Chris Paul’s worst nightmare. I want you to bite his kneecaps off (proverbially speaking of course). I want you to attack him, and make him have nightmares about Jeff Teague. He’s yours.” This

Gives Jeff confidence against the best in the game.

Gives his teammates confidence in Jeff

Awakens his inner Dog

And helps the team, because with his athleticism he can’t fail.

Or you can play head games with him, and hope for the best…

SteveW

January 24th, 2011
7:17 pm

Do that every night with Jeff, and he has a purpose in life, gives Bibby some rest, and makes life harder for the other team.

Bird

January 24th, 2011
7:22 pm

Laugh out loud @Westurd..

Bird

January 24th, 2011
7:23 pm

JC2 needs more burn.

O'Brien

January 24th, 2011
7:24 pm

@Rufus1: “MC I would like you to ask LD if he thinks JC2 could transition to a PG in the NBA…(In the Bibby mold).”

asked him this before. he quickly said no. says JC2 is strictly a 2..

I’m sure LD thinks Jamal is strictly a SG, but that hasnt stopped him from using Jamal as our backup PG.

O'Brien

January 24th, 2011
7:30 pm

To add to the Larry Brown discussion, the PGs that he had were high draft picks.

Iverson was drafted #1, Billups drafted #3, DJ Augustin drafted #9.

Teague was drafted #19, and he was the 7th PG taken. Clearly, the raw talent is not there and will need ot be developed.

Melvin

January 24th, 2011
7:45 pm

Watching TMac put in work against the Magic. 14pts, 3rebs, 2ast, 2stl all in the first quarter. I would have prefer to have him on the Hawks than Wilkins (and I like Wilkins). Heck, over Mo and Ethan as well…

honest_abe

January 24th, 2011
7:57 pm

it was during the first matchup against milwaukee when the hawks got off to a fast start and i remember seeing teague doing this asinine little jig on the sideline… it was at that moment i realized this kid isn’t ready to play significant minutes in the nba. you have to be a mature, leader type to run the pg spot.

teague keeps making stupid mental errors and that’s why you’re seeing his minutes diminishing.

the last play i saw him run, he was tryin to pass the ball past halfcourt to call a timeout and he gets ripped and the other team scored. those kinds of plays don’t have to do with confidence as much as someone who is focused and ready to play.

i_am_soulstar

January 24th, 2011
8:06 pm

Finally. Can we go streaking now??? (And I don’t mean running naked thru the quad.) Hell, I’ll be ecstatic if we pull out the next 3 against Bucks, Knicks, Mavs.

Sautee

January 24th, 2011
8:08 pm

Good points, all who responded to my post.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 24th, 2011
8:26 pm

“i remember seeing teague doing this asinine little jig on the sideline… it was at that moment i realized this kid isn’t ready to play significant minutes in the nba. you have to be a mature, leader type to run the pg spot. ”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pry6Cp0kSO0

Just saying…

Blast

January 24th, 2011
8:42 pm

Don’t understand the fascination with Teague. I Like him, but dude just is not ready! Take time from Bibby? That is laughable. How many bigs three’s has Bibby made this season to put Hawks over the top? And Bibby’s defense is not as bad as people make it out to be. When Hawks beat Miami, no one can say Mike hurt the team on defense. Mike sets the best screen on the team, on both ends of the floor. Jeff cannot shoot, he is undecisive, his floaters often gets blocked, he turns the ball over…need I go on?

Jeff Teague is not ready to lead a team like Hawks yet. So those guys that wants to see him play, better not hold your breath, or you might never breathe again.

Can’t wait to see the full squad back again!

JoJo the Godfather

January 24th, 2011
9:12 pm

SteveW…keep in mind the # of 3’s each player attempted in his last year in college as well…Jordan had double the 3-pt attempts of Teague and managed to shoot 39% compared to 44%…To me, Jordan is the better shooter & scorer…Teague has the better handle and is quicker…Hopefully, they’ll be side by side on the second unit next year.

Jae Evolution

January 24th, 2011
9:35 pm

Orlando is about to drop one at home to the Pistons, which will have us tied with them for fourth spot in the East.

Jae Evolution

January 24th, 2011
9:37 pm

I am absolutely baffled at how the Bulls have maintained such a strong record with such a bad roster and their two best bigs out for so long…they are starting to make me believers and I haven’t even seen their full roster at work yet.

Melvin

January 24th, 2011
9:38 pm

The Pistons beat the Magic in Orlando, easily at that… Now how does the Pistons lost look on the Hawks schedule now…

honest_abe

January 24th, 2011
9:38 pm

everyone dances, celebrates pregame…. not everyone does a riverboat tap dance during a game….

just sayin

Melvin

January 24th, 2011
9:57 pm

Jae, I’m watching the Bulls game now. Derrick Rose is just a beast. He carries that team on his back. The ball is in his hands the majority of the time for the Bulls and he seem to make all the right plays for at the right time…

Najeh Davenpoop

January 24th, 2011
9:58 pm

Thanks to the Pistons, the Hawks are tied with the Magic for 4th again.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 24th, 2011
9:59 pm

The Bulls are doing so well in part because they are the best defensive team in the league, and they have done it without Joakim Noah for a big portion of the season. I have to think Tom Thibodeau is one of the main reasons for that.

Blast

January 24th, 2011
10:02 pm

And need I add that Mike has been getting to the rim more often this season? You all want a point guard? We got one! His name is Mike Bibby, 3rd in the league in 3 point %! Get off your ass! Mike is not as bad as you all make him out to be.

I did not see you newbies on this blog when Hawks were winning 13 games a season! You all weren’t here when Hawks won 37 games and made the playoffs for the first time in 10 years. That was the year Bibby was traded for by the way.

Hawks lost in a rare game to NO, and folks exploded with craziness. Folks who had never posted before showed up en-masse and allowed the vitriol to flow! Lawd have mercy! You would think the world had come to an end! Where are those posters now that Hawks won at Charlotte, and are tied with Miami and LA for best road win at 15? Hawks broke several records last year, and has broken or even up their road win record this year in 13 years.

Fake posters slash fake Hawks fans that only show up at bad times, waiting like carrion vultures to strike at the lame and weak, and then spew negative thoughts and bile. Get the f!ck outta here! Your comments are not needed or appreciated. You just holding up blog space.

Hawks are what they are, man. One of the few rare teams that has made the playoffs in 3 years, win 50+ games and still be under luxury tax. I love the fact that they have been making progress. Yeah, playoffs has been disappointing, but what do you expect from a team that has only been there twice in years and was playing Woody’s iso offense? Hawks are nowhere next to being one of the best teams in the league. They are on the cusp of elite, but they don’t have the entire personnel to make it there yet. I predict right now that Hawks will get into the 2nd round and either win it, or make it competitive.

i_am_soulstar

January 24th, 2011
10:15 pm

We own the tiebreaker over the Magic, but many of you know that already.

Rufus1

January 24th, 2011
10:15 pm

@Jae Evolution

Don’t start believing in the Bulls just yet…

DRose has basically become Iverson, he has to work very hard to score in their offense and like Joe the previous years he might be worn out when the playoffs come.

They very few shooters, no bench and only 3 legit offensive weapons(Rose, Boozer and Deng) … no team in the playoffs will let DRose beat, so is Boozer and Deng enough?

They don’t take a night off because the have to prove they belong in the elite of the east and DRose wants to be MVP…

I want the Hawks to be healthy and rested when the playoffs come.

Blast

January 24th, 2011
10:19 pm

Orlando is not the same team they were last year. Last year, they blew the Hawks out of the water. Swept Hawks in the regular season, blew them out in the playoffs, now Hawks are tied with them for 4th in the East, with a 2-1 game advantage. Anymore slippage from Magic and Hawks takes over.

Orlando is not expected to slip. Hawks are. So if Orlando slips and Hawks win, hey, cudos to the last man standing.

Goodnight, y’all.

O'Brien

January 24th, 2011
10:22 pm

“When Hawks beat Miami, no one can say Mike hurt the team on defense.” Blast .

That is because Miami’s PGs are Carlos Arroyo and Mario Chalmers.

But if Bibby goes up against Rose in Chicago, Jameer in Orlando, Rondo in Boston, maybe even Felton in NY (and those are teams the hawks might meet in the first round of the playoffs), there is a very strong probability that Bibby would be exploited, and the team would have to try and pick up his slack.

Ramon

January 24th, 2011
10:33 pm

Guys, here is a question I have. This off season, would it be foolish of the Hawks to pursue K. Perkins? Would offering Perkins a deal of 4 years-$32 mil be a terrible idea? Boston window past this season is basically closed, especially with Rivers up in the air. While Perkins is coming off a knee injury, he was a player who used his head and his size more so than athleticism to do what he does. By all accounts, K. Perkins is the best defensive C in the league not name Dwight. Would a starting line up that features Joe, Josh, Al, Perkins, not be one of the best defensive lineups in the league? Josh is allowed to go into the off season and come into training camp knowing he will be the starting SF. There for he’s able to work more on his handle this off season and less on bulking up.

O'Brien

January 24th, 2011
10:38 pm

Ramon,

Hawks will be over the cap, so we cannot get Perkins unless there is a sign and trade.

And even if we could get him, I dont see the ASG going into the luxury tax for Perkins.